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Tianjin: Before & After
The two explosions that ripped through an industrial area in the coastal city of Tianjin, China, on Wednesday night created huge fireballs, knocked down doors and shattered windows up to several miles away. As NY Times reports, at least 50 people were killed and more than 500 injured. Here is the aftermath...
Hundreds of nearby cars were incinerated and two Public Security Bureau buildings were destroyed.
There were injuries and broken windows in several apartment buildings close to the blast site.
Finally, this dreadful video... wrong place, wrong time...
Or perhaps how 1000s of carry traders felt this week....
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Question: WTF exploded, containers?
The good'ole gas powered printing press couldn't keep up with the QE.
The guy in the video, did he die?
<- No.
<- Yes.
I've watched a handful of videos and the amount of instantaneous energy released is highly uncharacteristic of a chemical explosion/ fire.
Remind me again...wasn't this the day after China devalued despite U.S. pressure to do the opposite?
Was it in the import or the export portion of the port?
What chemicals exactly were in the reaction?
The mushroom cloud looks a lot like the explosion and aftermath of the explosions in Japan 70 years ago...albeit significantly smaller in scale.
Chemicals confined in a container can generate significant blast.
The best parallel might be the Texas City explosion in 1947. Ammonium nitrate in a ship's hold detonated. Hundreds of people killed. Some bodies were never found due to the fact they were vaporized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster
I'm pretty sure the explosions were caused by CHinese "food grade" exports.
Fair play.
My comments are based on observation of a number of videos of this incident and my background in engineering, albeit without specific expertise in explosions.
Still lots of unanswered questions...like incinerated cars and trucks on the elevated motorway running past the port, the multiple explosions and the huge mushroom cloud.
Brought to you by the folks at "The land of the free, and the home of the..., nope, I can't say it. Good luck to us all.
"Still lots of unanswered..."
can't help but feeling bad,
It's been days ZH kept referring to "no-less-than-50", indicating very little "news" coming out of China.
Chinese bloggers reported anywhere up to 30,000 or 1.5 km of dead-body zone or skin-burnt zombies walking to hospitals or BJ sent in nuclear-bio-chem team, etc.
Can we handle the truth?
The epicenter of the explosion, coincidentally, happened to be right under to the parking spot of the TV host who few days earlier called Mao Zedong "An Old Son Of A Bitch". By another coincidence, the 50 victims consisted entirely of the party guests who laughed at the joke.
I just laughed...then farted.
And my life started to flash before my eyes...
An update:
Beijing suspends dangerous chemical production following Tianjin blasts
Spraying water was making fire bigger
Military Chemical Specialists Enter Tianjin Blasts Site
Over 800 Firefighters Still in Action in Tianjin Blasts Site
Vice-premier visits people injured in Tianjin blasts
From the article:
"The warehouse, designed for dangerous and toxic chemicals, was mainly storing ammonium nitrate, potassium nitrate and calcium carbide, according to police. Chemical safety experts say calcium carbide can turn into an explosive gas if doused with water. That could have then detonated the ammonium nitrate."
Likely the smoking bomb if accurate. A "fertilizer" bomb fused/ignited by an acetylene gas explosion.
Seriously, WTF exploded, bomb in container?
Albeit your comment was funny.
There are too many stories about what happened for us to know. I wonder if we will never know because it will be covered up. It is a place where chemicals are stored so something may have happened that way.
We know there was a smaller and then larger explosion. Cameras came on after the smaller one, then they caught the larger one on video.
One story was a fire at a gas station (smaller fire) then the chemical storage blew up.
Here is an interesting take.
http://geopolitics.co/2015/08/14/china-hesitant-to-admit-its-been-nuked/
It appears the first blast was in the stack of containers which set off the chemical stockpiles.
I wonder if this is how GM gets rid of its Chinese inventory.
don't feed on these hgwsh conspiracies.
I read there was a warehouse filled with calcium carbide, fire hoses got it wet.
H20 + CaC2 --> acetylene. Lots of joules released when it burns, 10X TNT, and it detonates in a fuel-air explosion, which is the power you see here.
A mini-nuke. see it here>>
https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/news-with-views/
Did the huge fire before the explosion trigger the small and large mini-nukes, or was it just a diversion, all part of a well coordinated plan? Please show us the the evidence from radiation monitoring stations in the Pacific region and in orbit showing a spike in radioactivity, or are they all in on the conspiracy too?
The tinfoil hat website you linked suggests this was in retaliation for China's currency devaluation. If so, the perpetrators were lightning fast getting those nukes in there and detonating them with that fire. Maybe they (fill in the blank) had them positioned weeks maybe even years in advance in anticipation of a devaluation in the future, so they could exact their revenge in a timely fashion. Man!, these guys, whoever they are, are incredibly prescient.
Occam's Razor might be lost on you but here is a link anyway. I gave your link a chance, so you owe me one.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/occam.html
Well it sure looks like something in a container exploded - someone sent a "bomb" (well it sure exploded like one) in a container to these known currency manipulators.
who would do such a thing?
life goes by preety quick, if you don;t stop and look around you could miss it
I like that, but something's missing...
Has this been on teevee yet, or are we pretending it didn't happen?
NBC ran it, but Jimmy Carter's cancer and Hillary's emails led.
Tyler now has the perfect vid for a real market crash. Ideal counter point to the Deer in the headlights.
Beside the eTrade baby is getting stale.
Fed Ex has resumed normal operations there so must not be that bad in the city itself. The harbor area is probably still pretty bad. The meteorologist say the winds are blowing the fumes toward Korea, not toward inland so Beijing lucked out.
For Korea, not so good.
Not such great luck for Beijing. In most cases, toxic fumes represent an improvement on their normal air.
Holy crap! That guy at the glass door took it right in the face.
It's pretty obvious the entire metal doorway frame if not the entire wall.
The explosion and swirl of particulates may have been more debris from outside the building that glss from the doors and windows.
-He's probably dead.
And that was just a 'shockwave' that blew out the shopfront ! The intensity and the timing of the whole thing is very suspicious !
Only 50 killed from an explosion like that? Nigga please.
so we missed a zewo or two...
A major port should be manned and working 24/7 right? 50 is a low ball figure. When you have over 1 bil people 50 is small potatoes, not even a blip statistically.
It strikes me that the Chinese are still not ready to play ball on the world politics stage or they would turn some uneducated Chinese worker/slave lighting his hand rolled cigarette next to a leaking chamical container into a terrorist strike and use it as justification to attack (insert name of unfavorable opponent nation here). The PLA should be loading ships and planes now to strike the evil Japan who struck first. /s or not
Farse Frag Attack?
You know what's really funny? Americans trying to speak Chinese, or Spanish, or any other language for that matter. The hilarity increases the further south you go until you hit Texas, at which point it goes off the scale.
I am horrible with languages. My class mates used to beg me to translate out loud because I would make them laugh so hard.
Like yankees moving to Texas and trying to fit in....
The Chinese has discovered Intellectual Integrity centuries ago, unlike the barbaric West.
If so, it has not stopped them from doing business with rogue businessmen which always ends badly, save for a few nickels to keep the game going until it is pulled. This planet is contaminated with rogue businessmen and their provocateurs, agents, agitators. They are in every shadow now. We may never get this place turned around because of them unless NSA is taken over by the good guys, and the info to Israel is stopped.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2015-05/29/content_20856893.htm
Ain't life grand? US Aid to Israel is destroying America. It's laughable and tragic all at the same time.
"Israel is now investing $4 billion to $5 billion each year to upgrade its transport infrastructure and is building airports, seaports, railroad tracks, roads and tunnels, Katz said, noting that he believed there is a high potential for closer Israel-China cooperation in the area of infrastructure.
"I will also let the Chinese companies to get informed so they can compete and I am happy that (Israel-China cooperation) is going in the right direction," he said.
Chen Xuyuan, SIPG chairman, told Xinhua that SIPG will employ its rich experience and technologies in managing ports as well as its long-term relations with shipping lines to develop Haifa's new port into a regional transport hub.
"Investing in Haifa will help strengthen relations between the Shanghai port and other ports along the maritime silk road and form a closer trade network between the Shanghai port and ports in Europe," Chen said, noting that it's a vital step toward SIPG's goal to become a global harbor operator."
My country is dead. It is possible it has been dead longer than 100 years. It seems I was in love with an idea.
https://youtu.be/MYpnINrZM_M
"Only 50 killed from an explosion like that? Nigga please. "
Those are just the identified in morgues with toe-tags.
There are probably more that can't be identified.
& even more that haven't been found yet.
& even more that were completely incinerated and will never be found.
Remember: it wasn't publicised; but, after 9/11 there were bodies and body fragments found for well over a year after the event that were attributed to the event.
Of course there were whispered rumors that the area in and around 'Ground Zero' was being used as a dumping ground for corpses by the Feds, the local Police, the Mob, Serial Killers, etc...
Charred parts on a roof with a view of the pit = unaccounted 9/11 casualty. Found when??
The official total of the dead from 9/11 does not include bodies and parts recovered from the area in and around 'Ground Zero' after an arbitrary date despite more dead being recoverd long after that.
Some are unofficially attributed or not... Lawsuits and payouts, and names on memorial lists and placques were already formalized, etc...
I haven't seen much discussion of the two large structures designated as 'Public Security Bureau buildings' in the disaster photo above. I wonder if that is where the Chinese Authorities stored all the information pertaining to investigations of port fraud such as empty copper warehouses or some such...
If any of you can find the radio broadcast for today's C-SPAN a "six-sided star" from one of the more prominent "think tanks" in Washington on promoting counter terrorism objectives mentions the disaster in Tianjin as a fine example of the dangers involved in the types of weapons that can be used by terrorists in the 21st Century...
Too bad he didn't mention the role super power government(s) play in that same sandbox when they want to project power and influence over other countries that want to de-peg their currencies to a "reserve currency" that is destroying there own economy!
A DJI drone crashed and the LiPo battery shorted causing a fire to ignite the fumes in a huge storage tank.
Drones are the new weapon of chice.
Buddy of mine who knows guys at the Xingang port said it was pure hydrogren peroxide. In highly deluted form say like in your mouthwash it is inert.
But the precusor chemical at 99.9 bad assed - same they used to fuel up the V2's with.
Put those in proximity to other potonentially explosive material and 'GTFO'. Look at the pics of containers. Close the blast they are melted. To melt Cortin steel is almost off the charts heat wise.
See "T-Stoff": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Stoff
I haven't seen melted containers. Links?
I don't have digital subscript to WSJ, but check the photo Page 1 of today's WSJ. To the right you'll see 10 or 20 cans fused together.
To your other comment at 10 high stacking. It would not be possible in the states or any other area that had Western safety compliance to go that high. Typically 6-7 depending on wind conditions and such.
But in China you can do shit like that - and other crazy shit like putting chemicals, explosives, flammables in huge quantities packed together near population centers.
"But in China you can do shit like that - and other crazy shit like putting chemicals, explosives, flammables in huge quantities packed together near population centers."
More proof of how government regulation fails the people...hopefully, China will deregulate and instead of depending upon the compentency of bureaucrats , the Chinese people can reast easy knowing a CEO will "do the right thing" when it comes to safety vs. profit.
Corten
The voice in the security cam video watching the guy at the door likely becoming past tense - is that Chinese for WTF?
I too would like a translation of the VO. He didn't sound overly shocked, but rather nonplussed.
Fertilizer duh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster
I tink it was der fertilizah.
Gone blew up. Or it was where them there al QIA fellars were manufacturing IEDs...
Maybe this was their version of 9-11?
The CIA has not denied that any drones were fired at a Chinese cyber base not publicly known to be in the vicinity.
/ZH
So the car assembling drones are sentient and angry about being fired? Man, we are in a hard core recession/depression!
Ch-Ex-Machina !
Surveillance intercept, 09:40 hours, Sector Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
Dr. Klahn: The CIA thinks they can infiltrate the Mountain of Dr. Klahn!
CIA Agent: You can't scare me, you slant-eyed yellow bastard.
Dr. Klahn: Take him to... Detroit!
CIA Agent: No! No, not Detroit! No! No, please! Anything but that! No! No!
Krugman probably has that before/after pic as a screensaver on his computer.
It's a broken window wet dream.
There but fior the grace of God go we.
Unless it occurs in D.C.
Miffed;-)
RIP
Reminds me of the before's and after's from Hiroshima/Nagasaki, albeit not on the same destructive scale.
More like the 100 ton test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VANyY87-_Q
I've read numerous reports that that second explosion was equivalant to 29 tons of TNT.
Your YT link of 100 tons looks small by comparision to Tianjin.
This was either some seriuos ordance or a fuck load of a bad combination of chemicals with a water reaction.
I mean, car tyres exploded from the shock wave a mile away! That's a crazy pressure drop!
Something I find strange is the height they stacked those shipping containers. Looks like 10+ high.
I don't frequent ports much but that seems kinda high. The Freitag store in Zurich is 9 high but welded/anchored together.
Just sayin'.
They can stack containers 10 high on rolling ships... the more problematic question is how much of what types and combinations of dangerous chemicals was the facility engineered and licensed to store? (or how much did management pay in bribes to skip the engineering and inspections)
You == how much did management pay in bribes
Me == how much did the CIA pay in bribes
Two parts expolsion nuke make not...
I have seen too many explosions that look like tactical nukes this year.
at google maps
why didn't those "Public Security Buildings" collapse like WTC 7 due to "debris and fire"?
This can only be terrorism if a steel building falls down like a jenga pile.
We 'sploded some people....
China's industrial smarts are presently about where America's were in the late'40s / early '50s.
Gotta 'spect some dizzasters...
No.
The CIA is just the 'ne plus ultra'
boat load of explosives chewing in to a fuel dump as far as I can tell from mooching on youtube.
yeah, youtube. so maybe? dunno.
a lot of cars got incinerated so saying death toll is low seems bs.
pretty fucking horrible, dudes.
If the CIA ordered a passenger jet with almost 300 souls on board to be shot down, causing this deadly explosion wasn't even given second a thought.
It looks like the Tianjin explosions were sabotage.
Why?
Because look at what RT is reporting on Friday August 14.
http://www.rt.com/usa/312502-fire-texas-chemical-plant/
The Texas chemical plant fire is by no means as horrific and deadly as the Tianjin Inferno, but, as you know, in the tit parts of tit-for-tat, it's the thought that counts.
They have plenty of spares