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Government Wants To "Implant Recipients Of Welfare Assistance With Satellite-Tracked Chips"
Submitted by Mac Slavo via SHTFPlan.com,
Implantable RFID tracking chips. You know, to stop terrorism.
And to keep tabs on all the welfare queens, in order to keep tax dollars accountable.
There will be other rationales, too.
But really, governments just want to do all the spying they can within their power – and right now, technology offers more power than ever before to carry out universal surveillance, track and trace every person and every thing and put civil rights in the backseat where they belong.
The latest proposal from a politician in the Finnish government seems like a near-future dystopic film, but may not be far reality.
It’s not much of a stretch to imagine that the U.S., Britain or other governments in Europe would do this too, if they could get away with it.
In fact, an RFID chipped population could only be years away.
Sputnik News reports:
A politician from Finland’s conservative Finns Party suggested implanting welfare recipients with satellite-tracking chips following news that some recipients continued receiving payments after leaving the country to join ISIL.
A member of Finland’s right-wing Finns Party, Pasi Maenranta, has suggested implanting all recipients of government assistance with satellite-tracked chips if they choose to leave the country.
Maenranta made the proposal after Finnish media revealed that some recipients of government assistance continued to receive payments after leaving the country to join ISIL in Syria and Iraq.
“The law should be changed: To receive payments from Kela [the Social Insurance Institution], one has to tell exact data about your location using your personal code, read by a satellite. It is also possible to implant electronic chips to all going abroad, who for example receive medical welfare from Kela,” Maenranta wrote on his Facebook page.
It is true that Western governments essentially created ISIS, by agitating angry Muslims with continued aggression, while at the same time funding the “new al Qaeda” extremist group via the misguided efforts to arm and bankroll “Libyan rebels” and “Syrian rebels.”
Really, the Pentagon and NATO have been building up our own enemy, and using its horrendous violence to frighten the public back into the War on Terror.
Under the new twist, Muslim immigration to the West has been increased, and Western governments have been subsidizing future jihadists, too. Many are on the government dole, until and even after, they decide to leave and join ISIS/ISIL.
Meanwhile, normal struggling citizens who accept government assistance might be tracked via an implanted chips... betraying all the rights governments in “free countries” are supposed to protect. They might not be doing anything wrong at all, but now they are under constant watch.
But as George W. Bush famously said, “they hate us for our freedoms,” right?
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Every illegal alien needs to be chipped upon capture.
In lieu of branding of the cheek of course....
The Mark Of The Beast: Citizen!!! Do you want that in your right hand or forehead?
now wait. first it was chipping illegal aliens in lieu of branding. and now you're suggesting actually branding actual citizens.
one must be careful wandering about slippery slopes, it would seem.
A great example of "Everything is on the table for discussion, except the talk about race."
Everyone will be a slave, but at least we'll all be equal.
I say every employee of the government first. As a beta test.
Just to be sure
And for the children.
Hell, the US put Nazi war criminals on welfare,
Why have the Finn’s gotten their panties all in a bunch over payments to terrorists?
White Police Shoot Unarmed Brown Bear
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33942095?post_id=102046631703233...
#brownlivesmatter
Ah, progress... The Nazis just tattooed a number on your forearm... RFID implants much more "humane"...
My dog has a chip. Why not my gardner?
I'm all for putting a chip in my head. Especially if the government gives me a free FEMA trailer and healthcare. All this freedom is giving me hemroids.
The gist of this article is about some low level legislator in Finland. How the fuck does Mac Slavo conflate this with definitive proof that microchipping of the population is coming in America?
Fuck you people.
I am Chumbawamba.
That is so much more discreet than a serial number tatooed on the arm or forcing people to wear colored badges on their clothing.
If there was true justice, signing up for welfare should result in loss of suffrage, compulsory drug tests, volunteerism, sterilization, and a chip so the State knows what their slave/indigent is doing. Abortion, if truly a 'Women's Rights' issue, should result in a sterilized dead mother, and not just a dead faultless baby.
Both of these activities are currently handled by rewarding the fuck up at the expense of others.
This would apply to any and all subsidized citizens, right? Bankers who were bailed out, anyone who went through bankruptcy, maybe if your house is subsidized with a big fat tax deduction that renters don't get. Could get interesting.
And how about tagging the blotted millitary and the alphabet soup of security agencies that pop in and out of the private sector and live off the fat of taxes, but in reality creat the insecurity and degree of terror necessary to justify through propaganda and lies like 9-11 their own existience.
Which one destroyes the US more the unemployed single mother on food stamps or the retired general working the system?
No need to micro-chip welfare recipients; we already do that.
That EBT card you're using lets us track every transaction you make in real time, and see your smiling face on the surveillance video buying your Dorritos or taking cash from that ATM...
Well, that's also true of Visa, Mastercard, Amex, et al. This is why they don't want us to use cash.
Re: "Abortion, if truly a 'Women's Rights' issue, should result in a sterilized dead mother, and not just a dead faultless baby."
I see. So in fact you're a big government supporter after all. Why stop there? Why not require that all parents be monitored continuously, for the "protection" of thier children? In fact, why not require everyone to be monitored? For everyone's "protection"?
Big gov? Hardly. I am an independently thinking proponent of personal responsibility and I am tired of paying for the poor choices of others. Framing the argument as 'pro big gov' is the same misdirection that has allowed society to avoid the issue that we are now dealing with. People can now choose to forego personal responsibility because 'the system' will take care of their problems, no questions asked.
I take the same set of data you are looking at, and see the welfare state as a large cause of big government. Money out to transfer payment recipients in exchange for absolutely nothing. Nothing is given up by the welfare recipient to receive free money. Money which our grandchildren will be making interest only payments on. As a nation, this diminishes our ability to support itself. Its not a hard concept to grasp.
Somehow, you can state with a straight face that monitoring/limiting/punishing use of the welfare system is going to grow government. You propose growth to the welfare roles as status quo and not big gov? Care to expound on this concept?
Your wrote "I am an independently thinking proponent of personal responsibility and I am tired of paying for the poor choices of others."
If the subject is banning abortion, who is going to take care of all the new babies? How many of those will be welfare babies, and how many of those welfare babies will have even more welfare babies? How many unwanted and/or welfare babies turn out to be low I.Q., have poor health, make terrible life choices, end up in jail, and become a lifelong drag on your precious tax dollars?
You may be an independent thinker, but you need more practice.
What I believe Helix6 was referring to would be the new government intrusion into the relationship between a woman and her doctor. Who is going to sterilize these women you so casually judge? And, as Helix6 suggests, where does this government intrusion end? Would we have a new Department of Women's Sterilization? Would it try to grow and expand it's mandate? Maybe sterilize the men who caused the pregnancy? Of force the births and create a new Federal Unwanted Child Department. And of course, there is the issues no wants to discuss - Rape, incest, and health of Mother....and what you are going to do about it? Lock up the doctors? We need more doctors, not fewer. Lock up the women? What about their families - the husbands and other children who need that mother at home, or at work helping to hold it all together?
Yep, more thinking practice is needed, because what I hear from you is mostly emotion, and your personal version of morality that you would like to magically impose on everyone else.
I want to know what he proposes about the males fathering these bastards, or are they not culpable?
Dear Helix6,
My statement was that nothing changes for the woman receiving an abortion. It is not a Woman's rights issue because the woman is not killed or maimed as a result of the practice of abortion. It does not affect her health. She is free to continue her behavior and practice serial infanticide. And thank you, I realize there are 'outlier' cases that this does not pertain to (rape/health et al) to which this conversation does not apply. My suggestion was to have the serial abortion mother have some skin in the game.
As for welfare, shrinking the roles of the largest single federal budget item is the oppisite of "big gov". One would expect the negotiator for USA to have exercised greater demands on the indigent receiving welfare. We give it out to anyone/everyone.
In short, 1] killing babies is vile, evil, and morally bankrupt; 2] Lazy welfare motherfuckers is national suicide, and rewards bad behavior.
Not sure where your issue is, but there are the marbles.
Nighty night bitches
11b40
Subject was not banning abortion. The subject was how the issue had nothing to do with womens rights as the woman does not get aborted, only her unborn child. I also threw in how sterilization would reduce recitivism and result in fewer dead babies. Don't worry, I'm not eyeballing your abortion mill, boy.
Now fire up the #3 incenerator to get rid of all that unsellable tissue, we have a full schedule next week, plenty of baby parts to slash and burn.
11b40, I returned just to use a fresh mind and reread the subject matter above. I can confirm that your reading comprehension sucks. Go reread the string above and tell me where I am stating to outlaw abortion. 5 year member who can't analyze text, well done. I hope your day job is simple enough for you to not have to think too hard.
Chumba- It is just a trial balloon to see how it flies. This is a normal part of gov. and industry to condition the public at large to gradually accept more control which is profitable and fulfills the need for power over others.
Have you ever seen a FEMA trailer. nevermind being in one, especially those with the government required minimum amount of formaldehyde in their insulation?
In West Texas over the last few years, people were buying POS Katrina-Era FEMA trailers for $3500-$4000 and keeping them rented for $1200/mo. I witnessed this insanity first hand. Desperate people were moving out there from all over the country just so they could find a good paying job. Crazy times for a few years, but the housing shortage and the boom are over now.
Shock collars work much better for keeping 'em within the boundaries...
Before you ask which one...
Do I really have to choose?
People *reallly* might want to think twice about these chips because once implemented they will simply turn the chip off for anyone who is not totally compliant - look at what is being done to Greece being done to you.
When taxes double you WILL PAY IT OR LOOSE ACCESS.
And governments will salviate at the thought of having you a total abject slave at their very whim, whimpering for your food, if you don't comply chip gets turned off and you live out of the garbage bins.
"On welfare recipients"
So what's the problem?
Morons who are in control, and other feeble minds like I see far too often on here now.
Because if they can convince you to chip your dog, then your gardener, you will be next - just in time for the Greece style crises to come to America. And once they have it implemented they will simply monitor whoever protests that taxes are double, unemployment is double and will turn off their chips, and then arrest them for being unable to pay their mortgage or rent. You will be a TOTAL SLAVE to a EU style authoritarian regime.
Essentially we are ALREADY CHIPPED.
Phone/email taps, i/p and mac address, social networking data dumps, video cams everywhere, license plate scanners, fingerprints for drivers licenses, DNA databases... and on and on and on.
How many of you smug sheeple are saying it wouldn't happen, or you would fight back. You lost already.
This news is bread & butter for Alex Jones :)
Does that include govt. contractors like Best Buy, Walmart, Home Depot, et al, etc? Go apply for a job there and read the fine print. Do you wonder why personality assessments (psych profile) are given there, that you must complete (it is not an option). You may as well be joining the military.
I'm a vet, and 30+ years ago, they were giving similar/same tests. And they continually retested you. Those sexual harassment (and now just plain "any" harassment) assessments you must take (not options), that at one time was a required lecture, with no exam and free pizza, on company time. Now must be done online, and on your own time. And it not your opinion on the matter they are interested in, they are interested in the tester's opinion, and your opinion must align with the tester's, or you don't get the job, or you get fired.
Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude. - Alexis de Tocqueville
IIRC, de Tocqueville was an aristocrat.
"Everyone will be a slave, but at least we'll all be equal."
Yeah, as Orwell said - “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
When the Shit hit Mac Slavo, he swallowed it.
It is not the US govt. proposing the chips for welfare recipients. Some Euro prog has come up with that plan.
An Yes, of course the Muzzies do hate the west and the US in particular for the freedoms we have. Only an ignorant shit swallower would not know that. Slavo will be happy to pay the Muzzie tax, I'm sure.
"...A member of Finland's right-wing Finns Party, Pasi Maenranta, has suggested implanting all recipients of government assistance with satellite-tracked chips if they choose to leave the country..."
Disclaimer: I am not an RFID or GPS engineer.
Claimer: Pasi Maenranta needs to pull his Finnish head out of his ass and/or stop basing his (her?) opinion on comic books or Reddit. And Sputnik needs reporters with a brain stem.
The tiny rice-grain-sized device shown on the ZH front page is a VERY short-range device that only transmits an electronic ID when blasted with enough RF energy. In other words, you have to put the reader sensor almost on the skin - as shown on Rover here - to 'read' one of these tiny things. They have no battery. The hand-held sensor itself emits RF energy that lets the ID chip work, and then it only puts out the weakest of signals. It doesn't work from a foot away and damn sure isn't going to work from a satellite. It does NOT have any GPS capability whatsoever - it simply transmits a 15-digit ID number when powered by a special external RFID reader. That's it.
Larger chips (like tags on a cow's ear) can be read from maybe a foot away at best. Again though, they do nothing but transmit some identification numbers when activated. No GPS, not long-range anything. RFID security tags that set off store alarms don't transmit anything but a simple signal to trip the alarm at a store enterance - no 'tracking' or anything else. They are powered by RF transmitters in the antennas at the enterances.
The smallest device for actual, real-time GPS tracking needs to have a decent battery or power supply and a bunch of circuitry that can't possibly fit on a single chip. In addition, it needs to be a cell phone so it can, at the very least, send SMS messages to a cell-phone tower. You're talking about something the size of a pager with a SIM card like this. You're not implanting this on someone without some serious surgery. Sure, you could strap something on their wrist or ankle, but they would have to either charge it every few days or change a battery. Which kind of defeats the 'tracking' of terrorists if they can just let the battery run down. And I really doubt anyone on welfare is going to wear a damn ankle-bracelet like a criminal.
In other words, there's no way in hell the Finnish government (or anyone else) can possibly implant any kind of GPS tracking device on anyone for any purpose that is much smaller or operates any different from a cell phone. Chip-sized devices can't track anything - they simply hold an ID number that you need to be very close to in order to even read. An EBT card with a picture is more useful than an RFID chip implant.
I’ve got one of those rice grain Intellichips.. on a key chain FOB that I got from the manufacturer.
And you are right.. they are for very short range ID purposes when read with a scanner.
We would need to surgically attach a 12” x 12” array onto the backs of the welfare recipients to get any meaningful distance.
Branding it is then.....
I see a fabulous business opportunity installing sensors... Everywhere...
You must not be able to read in between the lines.
Seriously? Do you live in a cave or something?
"...Meanwhile, normal struggling citizens who accept government assistance might be tracked via an implanted chips... betraying all the rights governments in “free countries” are supposed to protect. They might not be doing anything wrong at all, but now they are under constant watch..."
The story isn't about fantastical tracking ability via an implanted chip... it's about the government wanting to track everything everyone does. In case you haven't noticed, nearly everyone already carries a tracking device with them quite voluntarily today. You HAVE BEEN and ARE under constant watch whether you did anything wrong or not. <yawn> What, exactly, am I suppose to be reading between the lines here? How to close the barn doors after the horses are already out?
The governement doesn't have to force anything on me. I'm not going to give up my cell phone plan or wrap it in tinfoil to keep the government from tracking me - screw them. The government has my fingerprints on file several times over. Every time I get my drivers' license renewed they have a crappy picutre of me. They know my phone numbers, address, employers, bank accounts and doctors. They haven't implanted anything in me, yet I would find it quite impossible to get a job, open a bank account or file taxes without their magic ID number.
Why the fuck would I care if they cooked up another wacky scheme to take away even more my rights NOW?? My rights are all ready GONE - past tense. They're not looking for permission - they're looking for cheaper/easier.
Yeah... let's all have a mass protest to demand the government is never allowed to implant tracking stuff in us... sheesh. Like that would fix anything. I'll settle for bitching about rights they should have never taken away in the first place rather than demanding they don't use non-existant technology on me at some point in the future.
Why can't I "up" this post? It's perfectly to the point. Why endure the hassle and strife of implanting a chip when people just carry around their tracking devices voluntarily?
The government must have disabled up-voting on my rants. Those evil BASTARDS!
You're right, you are not any kind of engineer ..
We have private citizens without govt. money about to release tech that will get us to the Moon in hours, and to Pluto and back in a matter of days .. (see Keshe Foundation)
So what do we ponder is locked up in black labs (DARPA et al), funded via trillions of stolen money, (or money just printed out of thin air)?
I had access to one of those "labs" back in the early '80s. A pre-Vietnam grade KW-7 (crypto) that was 12" X 12" X 12", and weighed ~50 lbs., that required two men to carry over extended distances, was becoming the size of the 5 1/4 CD-ROM drive, and could fit into your leg cargo pocket (KIV-7; not deployed until after Gulf War I).
That was transistors on multi circuit boards, translated into IC chips. Now we have nanotech. And we are talking about microscopic IC chips. We are talking about nano-molecular assemblers, the size of a washing machine (or smaller), with about $20 worth of chemicals, will pump out about 100 iPhones per batch. (see Navrozoz and Drexler)
now wait. first it was chipping illegal aliens in lieu of branding. and now you're suggesting actually branding actual citizens.
one must be careful wandering about slippery slopes, it would seem.
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In the future of America, there will be two classes of people: those forced to wear a tag and those with a tag reader. Which group do you think you will be in?
The group that woke up and left...................
Like we slaves will have a choice
Chips for the Children
for their safety ...protect them ...
you know ... vaccination history, or in case they get lost, etc.
(or so we will be told)
For adults, chipping can be voluntary ...
only required for driver licenses, voter registration, passports, library cards,
airline tickets, job applications, ObamaCare coverage, etc.
I read a book 30 years ago about that, before internet and many technologies today. Cant recall the name but never forgot some of the contents,it mentioned a chip and that to accept it was the mark of the beast. Also the rising of a new world order and collapse of the monetary system. Scary times.
I think I know the book you're talking about. The author was woman and she also went on talking tours and there was videos on you tube of her talks and for the life of me I can't remeber her name.
Implants are not necessary. Overtaken by technology for facial / Iris recognition. Why bother with an embedded chip when your facial points and Iris are already unique and identifiable?
NY Times article from last Thursday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/13/us/facial-recognition-software-moves-from-overseas-wars-to-local-police.html?_r=1
BidnessMan
But, but
since it is doubtful that facial scanning will keep us 100% safe,
then chipping will also be "necessary".
The authorities always are said to do only what is necessary.
Of course if you are an advocate of facial recognition technology
because it would be allegedly be more cost effective or efficient,
(hopefully you are not)
should we propose rounding up the "dissidents" and
sending them to labor camps or 'disposal centers'
if such methods were purported to be even more effective or efficient
... or "necessary" ?
You can fool the software by painting your face. It is not very hard and only requires black and white paint.
If course a mask works very well also
No, no, no. You don't get it. The illegals are the LAST people who would be chipped. The purpose of this is to quell the existing indigenous poplulation so they can't push back on the NWO. The NWO WANTS the community and society-destroying effects of illegals to do it's work unfettered.
Why not just make people go in person to pick up their welfare checks and EBT Cards or whatever once a week?
It would be kinda hard to fly off the the ME and back every week just to hustle welfare...
I mean, if you aren't working you have ALL day to get to the office to collect your hand-out by physical hand-out, right?
I hate to spoil it for you young'n's, but back in the good olde days, people did have to go to collect their checks. And, GET THIS, for the food subsidy, had to go like once a month/weekly/whatever to physically pick up a block of cheese, a bag of rice and some powdered milk, etc.
That's how it used to be done.
In many ways such did inconvenience folks. So checks got mailed (fair) which led to direct deposit (opps and where's the head count and responsibility gone? bye bye)
With respect to the picking up of food (which was all taken from US Government warehouse surpluses from the price support system, yes, they once paid for the excess and warehoused it instead of pay to not grow, ie do nothing as in not work) it was decided that, and this is serious truth, as I clearly remember it as a child) that picking up was a burden on many (troof) AND the LIBERAL contingent said that being forced to pick up food was demeaning and that the poor should be able to go to the grocery like everybody else.
All about the white man making the poor feel poor. That's the troof
Worrying that the recipients are spending direct deposited welfare whilst off fighting in the ME might just trump concerns over their purported indignance.
The bitch of taking a bus once a week to get unearned money while the rest of society takes the bus to put in a full shift every day to pay for the welfare being distributed rings rather hollow to me as well...
I think the choice of being RFID Chipped -or not collecting; might be enough to keep peeps off the rolls...
Non really. Peeps will do it willingly. All one has to primise is one increase to the allowance and faster payment. The peeps will be waiting in line.
the ebt card already has an rfid chip
Starvation does funny things to a man ... but best wishes to those who refuse the mark ...
Trap feral cats, cut out your chip, insert it into said cat, rub turpentine on it's ass, and send it on.
Watch those tracking said cat, chamber 220 grain JHP, and send it.
They. Don't. Have. Enough. Fucking. People. To. Enforce. Their. Bullshit!
Ahhh, but robots.
They don't have enough prison space for everyone, if we all just ignore the law. If the immigration debate has taught us anything, its that if everyone ignores the law they can't enforce it.
"...rub turpentine on it's ass..."
Do I have to wear a ball gag or anything kinky like that when I'm doing this part, 'cause I'm from the Midwest and we're not into that kind of stuff.
Ok then Paveway, you can pour the turpentine on it's ass, since you're from the Midwest.
I'm from the South, where we don't try to pick the flyshit out of the pepper. Point is, get the turpentine on the cat's ass, it will travel...
Wow! That kinda makes me want to plant a garden and buy some livestock! Oh, wait...
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Yes, but you can still see the cash register display proudly claiming that the folks ahead of you bought their caviar and fresh exotic cheez at whole paycheck with an EBT card. I guess it works, since those folks never look like they are being publicly shamed.....
Here's how you win: Follow them to the local watering hole and buy it for pennies on the dollar so they can get a drink.
I wish I was kidding...
My wife gets "volunteers" at the library from TANF who are required to work 20 hours to be eligible for welfare.
They're always trying to sell their EBT cards for 50 cents on the dollar for cash to library staff and patrons. Wifey sends them back to the TANF office if she catches them but she has since found out that that since the library is required to use these people, it has become the 'go -to place' for discount shoppers to score a card to use.
Meetings to curb welfare abuse at the local office were (not surprising to me) unsuccessful due to lack of interest on the part of the Welfare office.
It seems they are far more concerned with building their 'client' base.
Knukles speaks truth. I saw this as well. Does not matter now. In many respects, life was different prior to about 1976 to 1980. Difficult to have people understand, as its not just a matter of detail, but the "feeling of the country was different."
I'm old enough to remember.
You've got it wrong as to why it happened though, because it's got nothing whatsoever to do with what you call 'liberal contingent'. Dig a little deeper - as you and most on here generally do - and follow the money and you recognise it saves a shitload of money being able to lay off 10,000's of staff and get a computer to pump out digital money to a digital account.
It's not about dignity or being demeaning or any of that shit (since when has gov cared about that) but purely a bean counter decision.
Cheers
And where DO those savings go? What percentage of welfare money goes to the recipients? How much is spent on administration? How much goes into basic survival money and how much goes into additional programs? Where does it all go?
Your guess is as good as mine PT. I mean it might have reduced the overall gov spending *in that area* of a few percent or so, which of course isn't reflected in ever growing gov deficits the world over - indicating the money was probably funneled into some other area of government expenditure.
But that's not what I was addressing though so I'll leave it at that.
Cheers
It would be worth investigating. Single person on dole gets approx. one third / one quarter of Average Weekly Earnings? (I'd have to check the figures). Assuming 10% unemployment, that welfare is paid for by ~ 3% of AWE, i.e pocket change. How much of your tax dollar goes to welfare? I bet its a shitload more than a pissy little 3%, that's for sure. Okay, so now we also have "rent assistance" (i.e. landlord bail-outs). How does that change the figures? Admin? Other welfare payments? Yes, its certainly worth looking into.
In the overall federal budget, it's not that much. The total collections of federal tax in the US is $2.5trln per year. Just take snap for example, it's about $30bln, which is 1.2% of the overall intake.
The vast majority of the fed budget goes to war, SS, medicare / medicaid, and paying government salaries / pensions. Welfare and other programs are pretty minor.
Be careful of hating on "the slackers" too much. Most of the politicians who push this line do it for political purposes, they don't really care, because they'll turn around and spend billions on other bullshit. This is also a good way to divide the population and distract from the corporate subsidies, corruption, and war spending.
I don't hate the "slackers". As I pointed out, the basic dole payment (my country), the actual part that goes into the pockets of the unemployed, should be around 3% of average gross, even with 10% unemployment (officially we have less). 3% of my gross for unemployment insurance at up to 10% unemployed? Sounds like a bargain to me, a nice safety net. And I do not have a reliable income so I am well aware that I can easily end up on the wrong side of the welfare desk. I am much happier as a payer than a payee. But I don't think what the govt takes in efficiently matches what they pay out. Does 3% of AWE tax pay the welfare bill? 4% (meaning 25% is Admin costs) ? That is the question I was trying to answer.
40% Social Security and Medicare
19% Medicaid, SSI, SNAP, housing assistance, EITC, TANF, etc.
18% Defense and International Security
7% Interest on Debt
8% Benefits for Federal employees and veterans
3% Transportation infrastructure
2% Education
2% Science and Medical Research
This is why Social Security/Medicare will be trimmed some how. Medicare is out of control, stingy to doctors, fat give aways to pharmaceutical companies, medical device companies, etc. Social Security is being reigned in with phony inflation measurements.
In a sane world (not a fair one, people were lied to) medicare would institute price controls on the drug/med device spending and social security would be more sharply defined as insurance against poverty in old age instead of a supplement to retirement planning, as in yes, means testing, and you get a check to keep you at 150% of the federal poverty line.
The majority of spending is going toward maintaining the non-productive vs. investing in the future.
What would our country look like if we tripled the spending on the last three by cutting 7% from the the top 3? Maybe young people not saddled with excessive debt? Maybe new industries to replace the ones that have been offshored?
I don't disagree with your points, but I think those numbers are bullshit. For example, in the defense spending, which is $680bln using your example, that doesn't include the NSA, CIA, TSA, FBI, DHS, foreign arms assistance, nuclear weapons research, the VA, or military pensions. I've looked into the number pretty closely, and it seems that defense spending is more like $1trln, or 40%.
For example, the VA is $170bln. The NSA in 2012 was $75bln.
ask obama, he'll tell you where every dime went.
Hey PT,
A fair chunk of it goes to send the waaay overeducated poverty pimps all over the globe to attend conferences on how to strengthen the program and create moar poverty pimps.
.gov has to procreate too...
;-D
You are confusing cause and effect. The welfare state exploded in the early 1960's once newly invented mainframes made it possible to spew out millions of checks a month. Before then it was not possible to hire enough clerks to write millions of manual checks each month. Electronic direct deposit just replaced the 'print a paper check' part of the exploded process.
"Experts" in the early 1950's predicted a total worldwide need for less than 20 computers on a worldwide basis.
because the purpose is not to give welfare but to keep population under control
No, no, no....... think of it as tagging cattle FOR aliens.
The broke government aid recipients will be the first one turned over to our alien reptilian overlords as 'payment' (e.g. food). There's a reason we're fattening them up. Our leadership - political and real (the string -pullers) will sell out the whole planet in an effort to be the last ones standing (literally).
That's cruel. They should just be shot.
How about trying deportation for once first?
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Asshole.
Every person drawing a federal paycheck and federal pension oughta be chipped-wanna know where they are and who they are meeting with on behalf of me
If they want to track welfare recipients, does that mean Jamie Dimon, Lloyd Blankfein, and their ilk get one too? I propose the size of the chip should be based on how much welfare you receive, then it should be inserted up their ass.
Awesome.
As proportionate in size to the respective financial blood tick that they are
How you gonna fit a Hindenburg size homing beacon up Jamie D's chute?
Ok, screw it... THIS I GOTTA SEE.
( dons rain slicker and scuba-diving mask )
I wonder just what straw will get peoples attention? We have so many now with this government, adding this one just might do it. In the mean time... Kim might go to a movie next week. Barf.
Seriously thought you meant Jong Un until the last word. He's the only notable Kim I know of...
One week of no electircal power and after 3 days of no show for the local Police forces. The pucker factor smell will hang in the air for those that are not prepared.
send ur soil samples to tel aviv
Start with the Corporate Welfare Queens like Queen Elizabeth, and her perverted child molesting progeny like Prince Andrew.
RFID chips sure would make targeting the citizenry with smartbombs from drones A LOT easier... or a "hacker"
I can't accept an RFID chip due to religious reasons, but somehow I don't think that'll be allowed as an excuse, no matter how much religious tolerance will be exercised in other directions ...
They won't implant one in you. They'll implant it in your kids during delivery. Then... no chip, no healthcare!
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Search Results London Rules. People forget so fast.Make sure those new Troika loans are ' English Law'
TPTB will need to completely wipe out religion before they are successful getting a whole society to participate. They are making pretty good inroads in that area, one more generation should do. By then people will be clamoring all over each other to get their, hip, cool, convenient, government tracker........., oh wait, they already have their iCrap.
Thank you, Doc.
I follow no religion including statism but I know what you mean and you are likely correct.
Mark of the Beast, foretold in Bible's Revelations. They have to dump Christianity to make it happen, though I believe most Christians will be too wussy to resist. (Or is it just me? ...)
Animism and Gaiaism and Satanism ( true La Vey school anarchists and such ) aren't going anywhere.
The Abrahamist forks are destroying each other and themselves. Thank GOD!
The willing generations of FB, Twit, I-everything, RFID, etc. The boomers are wary of course, but even many of them have sucumbed to the alure of desire to know what ones friend bought at Amaze, and how wonderfull that trip to Europe was.
It may not all have been by design, but things to happen to favor the rich and fortunate.
"This is your god"---They Live (short clip)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA-_SSO_hhI
No problem here. The elites have had stick up their asses for so long it doesn't seem wrong.
If you think about it, you can see that the surveillance state already makes it very difficult for even a small handful of guys to organize even the puniest kind of resistance to our present government. Maybe I'm exaggerating, but it seems like every electronic device is equipped with the capacity to eavesdrop and with the ability to track your whereabouts.
So, pretending for a moment that you'd like to meet with a bunch of guys for "terroristic" purposes vis-a-vis the government, you have to leave the cell phones at home, walk to the meet-up location (lest someone has GPS tracking on their car), and meet at a place with no electronic devices.
I think this is the fear motivating the surveillance state--the fear that somebody, somewhere might plan some armed resistance.
Understandably, traders are reluctant to use trading tools.
It's important to realize the children trading currently, understand nothing about "interest rate" trading.
Well, after all, it is all for the children.
Or am we on the wrong page?
Financially bankrupt is one thing Knuks... Morally Bankrupt is another.
BTW, My best to Mrs. Knuks. It's a bit toasty this weekend. ;-)
Moral bankruptcy preceeds financial bankruptcy.
-& HERE WE ARE !
Yes, we are!
It's all in the "eye" of the beholder ThroxxOfVron
"Government Wants To "Implant Recipients Of Welfare Assistance With Satellite-Tracked Chips"
And soon the headline will be: "Government Wants To "Implant Those Robbed to Fund Welfare Assistance With Satellite-Tracked Chips"
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
I desire to implant the DC US slithers and treasonous. My guillotine will do the "surgery."
We used to have this notion that nobody starved. You know....soup kitchens...three hots and a cot. There was some embarrassment in being on welfare. You would be seen in a food line. OTOH, you were building community that way. Recpients could work in the soup kitchens, etc. Those with a surplus would come into contact with those with little/nothing.
The EBT cards took all of that away. I assume their pruchasing power can be bartered. I here that some minimal efforts have been made to disable them from buying alcohol, cigarettes and entrance into strip bars. How do you hoard or othewise barter a bowl of soup?
I don't want to see chips in anybody. OTOH, there are much better ways to cut down on welfare abuse - like going back to the Great Depression distribution methods. Besides. I am getting tired of JPM keeping 50% of each welfare dollar it "mamages" and supporting the call centers in Bangalore.
Gotta give Walmart its measure of corporate welfare as well.
welfare should only be redeemable at farmer's markets... it'd solve multiple problems w/in one generation.
How can these refugees ever be productive members of society? How?
Many are over 20 years old. Illiterate in ALL languages. They have no education, at all. They cannot do basic math. They cannot read in any language.
They are housepets. For life. You bring in a 20+ year old black or Muslim refugee and you are agreeing to support him and his 10+ kids financial forever.
So does that mean every Jew in Israel will have to get one of those chips too? After all, USA gives them 3 billion dollars in welfare eveyr year. And don't forget the governments of Afganistan, pakistan, Egyt and so on who get USA welfare aid, will they get tagged too?
The spice must flow.
Made out of potasium cyanide?
Why not a collar with explosive bolts?
Wasnt there a movie with that plot line? If I recall it had an explosive collar activated when one moved out of certain area.
Running Man
I'm not skerd.
This is all going to come to a screeching halt soon.
A rifle behind every blade of grass will make it so.
Why cannot you dig them out?
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We have met the enemy . . .
Okay you think there is an enemy. I bet you think you can even point to one. Go ahead just try.
No that isn't it try again.
Oh yeah everyone thinks that. Nope. Look around.
Okay alright this is starting to hurt. I'll just tell you who the enemy is.
Business.
In particular, Big Business. All the Big Playaz. Big Pharma. Big Ag. Big Tech. Big Government (just another revolving door business). Big Defense. Big Auto. Big Oil.
They are big, they are going to stay big, and they are going to grind all you little organic meat bags into sawdust and less than sawdust. Suck all the life out of you until you are just an empty scared zombie mind slave. half you reading this are already there, otherwise you wouldn't be ready to accept half the baloney you get fisted off with everyday, all of it intended to drive your brain so far into a corner of your personal madness that you can be easily herded from one relentless mind-fuck to another like a bunch of terrified sheep.
Because despite all your strident protests to the contrary, you are. Terrified. Of your own shadow about now. They have you and right where they want you. Ready to buy something. Buy gold or guns or newsletters or MREs or 10 acres of land on the steep side of a hill in the middle of Montana. Whatever is they have to sell, they can sell you back a tiny sliver of the freedom to think for yourself that you were born with, but gave up, because it was easier to go with the crowd all running away from something none of them have even glimpsed but all are terrified of.
Chips from space. Oh that's rich. That's just amazing. That's just too funny for words that is. Chips from space.
Idiots.
Manhattan vs Zero Hedge?
Classic .gov tyranny. Beta test it on the poor and weak. If that goes well, roll it out to everyone. Dont forget the exploding 'kill switch'! On the other hand, can the chip encourage the 'wearer' to pick cotton?
Your children will be next.
"Government Wants To...:
Evidence or GTFO.
This is bread & circuses scare porn for the paranoid libertarian crowd. I have enough real shit to worry about right now (it's a long list, fucker) without this empty headed prattle about imaginary shit some imaginary government might want to imaginarily do with imaginary technology used in imaginary ways in some imaginary future where things are not already so fucked over that government itself has ceased to function in any meaningful way -- least of all chipping a bunch of violent, stupid, tattooed fucktards who would rather kill a cop at a traffic stop than allow them to write a citation for unsafe driving.
Fuck me but you people are freaking crazy. Get a grip. You are just making noise now. Start making sense or shut up.
Lets have some fun.
Lets say Schiff is correct. Personally, I think he is.
I can smell the biggest balloon getting ready to blow up.
So the BoJ decides to print more? ABE is going to be destroyed. Who do you think is destroying commodity currencies and commodities in the Asian markets?
It's KAMPO! Japan is hammering commodities every day. Japan is hammering paper gold and oil, in desperation.
Japan wants inflation and cheap OIL. Japan via the pension system is hammering commodities every day. It's NOT China.
China has actually been playing nice. Japan is a fucking farce!
If Japan prints more they will be labled, currency manipulators, and lose what little credibility they have.
My time-frame is mid-September to first week of October. It should be a good time to make money in a fake economy correction. Thanks for the nice comment lastnight.
We came home with 7 plants this morning. They're going to die.
We leave in 2 days for Hilton Head Island for two weeks, the month of September we'll be in Myrtle Beach. The lemon trees are nice. Hope they survive.
:)
At the current level of technology. Satellite RFID is a fairly big, battery powered device. You could use smaller ones that require local detection that is then uploaded to a system that uses satellites to re transmits the data back to the tracking center. But whatever you use. They are fairly easy to defeat / signal block. The politician is displaying both technical and moral ignorance.
I bet there was a system in place in the old days, that might still work. Human interaction with people in need? Have them come in and pick up their money? Have a chance to chat with them. Check up on their situation. Ask for ID. If they can't come in, due to illness etc, then an occasional visit could also be beneficial. Maybe before the smelly corpse reveals they haven't actually left the country, but rather left the land of the living.
Welfare programs have devolved into, pay and hope it goes away. Devote the least resources to trying to solve the problems on human terms. Even avoid seeing the problems face to face. We out source to banks issuing debit cards, at great profit to the bank, less money to the recipient. Direct deposit. Then suspect that some are abusing the system. Well some, always are. The new systems may just be making that easier. The answer to that is not making the system less human.
Couldn't resist.......
Why Can't You Use Phones on Planes? - YouTube
BS. Such a device does not exist and probably never will technically / physically (powering, antennas, distance). Iridium needs some bulky technology. And if it did, it could easily be localized and destroyed. (surgically, microwave)
Not BS. Stop thinking in terms of 20th century technology. Imagine a device the size of a paper clip but a little thicker, implanted under the skin, just like dogs are chipped. The device does nothing but receive miniscule amounts of power on its antenna from the ubiquitous UHF and higher radio waves in which we float. It stores the power in a tiny capacitor. When it has enough juice, it sends out a "Hello" message to the local cellular network tower, and then it runs out of power and waits to recharge and recycle again. Given today's micro antenna and capacitor technology, I'd bet the NSA already has such a device that could recharge once a day.
I like my idea better, it has amusement value.
Oh please. RFID chips are lucky to be able to re-radiate a radio signal one meter to a big antenna wrapped around a doorway. NFC (Near Field Communications) re-transmit range is less than 10 centimeters. The basic laws of physics and the limitations of battery and capacitor chemistry apply. Nothing implanted under the skin is ever going to transmit a radio signal 26,000 miles up to a geosynchronous satellite, to a Low Earth Orbit (LEO) satellite whizzing overhead every hour or so, or even a couple of miles to a cell tower. To transmit to a satellite, you are talking about a device with a big battery that is half the size of a brick.
The scene in the movie The Da Vinci Code where Tom Hanks sticks the supposed tiny GPS transmitter into a bar of soap and throws it out the bathroom window into a dump truck driving off into Paris streets is straight out of the television show 24. Nice storyline for TV and the Movies, but impossible in the real world. Need a power source.
On the other hand, a dog implant chip is read at very short range. All you need is to read a unique ID number. Cloud applications can apply all kinds of decodes and expanded information once you have a unique ID number. So you might have to get your arm swiped to use an EBT card or a credit card as part of two or three factor authentication. Anyone with a relatively simple scanner can scan you and transmit your ID and the scanner GPS coordinates to a cloud database and be accurate within a couple of meters anywhere in the world. But no one is ever going to know you were in the Middle East with ISIS based upon a direct chip under the skin to satellite communications.
The whole embedded chip concept becomes unnecessary anyway as facial and Iris recognition gets better. You don't need a chip under your skin when your unique face points and Iris pattern already uniquely identify you. You have an EBT card. You know your password. You are your facepoints and Iris pattern. Three factor authentication without an embedded chip. Unless the embedded chip replaces an EBT card, and you just wave your arm next to a POS payment scanner.
Let's have a discussion based upon what is now and in the future will be real - not television show 24 or movie fantasy.
In a city there can be a relay at every door jam and every cobble stone.
Yeah and monkeys might fly out my butt.
Think what you want, ZH is making bank on you not realizing that you've been played.
People have shown the ability to read RFID signals at much, much greater distances than that. You are repeating the lies pushed when the tech came out to make it less scary. It's simply wrong.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/02/long_range_rfid/
Researchers were showing 60+ meter read distances many years ago with first gen tech. Modern RFID readers don't listen passively but send out a very strong signal which the RFID tags then respond to. All you need to do is have a big enough listening dish and you can capture the responses from many miles away.
For those too lazy to click the link: "calculations put the theoretical maximum RFID read range at 317 miles, if you've got a big enough dish."