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How Humans Cause Mass Extinctions

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Authored by Paul and Anne Ehrlich, originally posted at Project Syndicate,

There is no doubt that Earth is undergoing the sixth mass extinction in its history – the first since the cataclysm that wiped out the dinosaurs some 65 million years ago. According to one recent study, species are going extinct between ten and several thousand times faster than they did during stable periods in the planet’s history, and populations within species are vanishing hundreds or thousands of times faster than that. By one estimate, Earth has lost half of its wildlife during the past 40 years. There is also no doubt about the cause: We are it.

We are in the process of killing off our only known companions in the universe, many of them beautiful and all of them intricate and interesting. This is a tragedy, even for those who may not care about the loss of wildlife. The species that are so rapidly disappearing provide human beings with indispensable ecosystem services: regulating the climate, maintaining soil fertility, pollinating crops and defending them from pests, filtering fresh water, and supplying food.

The cause of this great acceleration in the loss of the planet’s biodiversity is clear: rapidly expanding human activity, driven by worsening overpopulation and increasing per capita consumption. We are destroying habitats to make way for farms, pastures, roads, and cities. Our pollution is disrupting the climate and poisoning the land, water, and air. We are transporting invasive organisms around the globe and overharvesting commercially or nutritionally valuable plants and animals.

The more people there are, the more of Earth’s productive resources must be mobilized to support them. More people means more wild land must be put under the plow or converted to urban infrastructure to support sprawling cities like Manila, Chengdu, New Delhi, and San Jose. More people means greater demand for fossil fuels, which means more greenhouse gases flowing into the atmosphere, perhaps the single greatest extinction threat of all. Meanwhile, more of Canada needs to be destroyed to extract low-grade petroleum from oil sands and more of the United States needs to be fracked.

More people also means the production of more computers and more mobile phones, along with more mining operations for the rare earths needed to make them. It means more pesticides, detergents, antibiotics, glues, lubricants, preservatives, and plastics, many of which contain compounds that mimic mammalian hormones. Indeed, it means more microscopic plastic particles in the biosphere – particles that may be toxic or accumulate toxins on their surfaces. As a result, all living things – us included – have been plunged into a sickening poisonous stew, with organisms that are unable to adapt pushed further toward extinction.

With each new person, the problem gets worse. Since human beings are intelligent, they tend to use the most accessible resources first. They settle the richest, most productive land, drink the nearest, cleanest water, and tap the easiest-to-reach energy sources.

And so as new people arrive, food is produced on less fertile, more fragile land. Water is transported further or purified. Energy is produced from more marginal sources. In short, each new person joining the global population disproportionately adds more stress to the planet and its systems, causing more environmental damage and driving more species to extinction than members of earlier generations.

To see this phenomenon at work, consider the oil industry. When the first well was drilled in Pennsylvania in 1859, it penetrated less than 70 feet into the soil before hitting oil. By comparison, the well drilled by Deepwater Horizon, which famously blew up in the Gulf of Mexico in 2010, began a mile beneath the water’s surface and drilled a few miles into the rock before finding oil. This required a huge amount of energy, and when the well blew, it was far harder to contain, causing large-scale, ongoing damage to the biodiversity of the Gulf and the adjacent shorelines, as well as to numerous local economies.

The situation can be summarized simply. The world’s expanding human population is in competition with the populations of most other animals (exceptions include rats, cattle, cats, dogs, and cockroaches). Through the expansion of agriculture, we are now appropriating roughly half of the energy from the sun used to produce food for all animals – and our needs are only growing.

With the world’s most dominant animal – us – taking half the cake, it is little wonder that the millions of species left fighting over the other half have begun to disappear rapidly. This is not just a moral tragedy; it is an existential threat. Mass extinctions will deprive us of many of the ecosystem services on which our civilization depends. Our population bomb has already claimed its first casualties. They will not be the last.

 

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Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:17 | 6433606 DOT
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Nonsense.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:19 | 6433613 BurningFuld
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Complete and utter.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:32 | 6433644 CaptainAmerika
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...the destroyers of world... I suppose we all thought that, one way or another...  http://www.philiacband.com/propaganda.html

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:34 | 6433663 max2205
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All that's left is bankers  and roaches 

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:39 | 6433679 Oldwood
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So we are winning then, right?

its always been us versus them until there's no one left but us, and then the killing gets earnest.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:43 | 6433699 barliman
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If we are undergoing a 6th mass extinction caused by humans...

... WHY is Paul Ehrlich still alive?

Or would that make the 6th mass extinction ... extinct?

 

 

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:46 | 6433708 Sanity Bear
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This stuff would be more convincing if he hadn't been making his buck peddling it since 1968

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:19 | 6433850 SafelyGraze
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the wildlife will rebound, as it has done over and over

but there is an Even Bigger Extinction Event that we must discuss

viewership of network tv

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:22 | 6433862 Pinto Currency
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Production of debt money without limit with consumption without limit has consequences.

These consequences are about to correct.

 

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:32 | 6433893 Manthong
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Well, if they are dying off anyway..

Give the water back to the farmers even if it kills off the delta smelt.

http://spectator.org/articles/40982/emptying-reservoirs-middle-drought

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:50 | 6433916 Pinto Currency
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Ehrlich is just another neo-malthusian who has been widely dicredited by his incorrect calls.

 

http://thecommonroomblog.com/2015/06/the-nyt-discovers-ehrlich-was-wrong-about-overpopulation.html

 

 

-Also-

 

"... Alarmism over population growth was central to the ideas of the Club of Rome. It received momentum through Paul Ehrlich’s even more egregious and incorrect book, “The Population Bomb.” The fact that every single prediction Ehrlich and John Holdren, President Obama’s Science and Technology advisor made, have proved completely wrong doesn’t stop extremists seeing the need for total control. Some believe people should not exist. Holdren thinks they should be limited and controlled as detailed in a list of his totalitarian proposals.

 

– Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;

– The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation’s drinking water or in food;

– Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;

– People who “contribute to social deterioration” (i.e. undesirables) “can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility” — in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.

– A transnational “Planetary Regime” should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans’ lives — using an armed international police force.

 

Crucial to all alarmism is a mechanism to bypass public resistance to draconian controls, especially in the US with its Constitutional guarantees. Holdren proposed a method for bypassing the Constitution by using the Constitution. He wrote,

 

Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society. ..."

Alarmism over population growth was central to the ideas of the Club of Rome. It received momentum through Paul Ehrlich’s even more egregious and incorrect book, “The Population Bomb.” The fact that every single prediction Ehrlich and John Holdren, President Obama’s Science and Technology advisor made, have proved completely wrong doesn’t stop extremists seeing the need for total control. Some believe people should not exist. Holdren thinks they should be limited and controlled as detailed in a list of his totalitarian proposals. ..."

http://drtimball.com/2015/co2-is-the-demon-because-malthus-and-ehrlich-were-wrong-about-overpopulation/

 

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:58 | 6433978 Pinto Currency
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Remember, the "Freedom of Choice" slogan was stolen from the Nazis by pro-abortion forces. Margaret Sanger could never have been so hopeful in her anti-black abortion campaign:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/08/figures-democrats-freedom-of-choice-abortion-movement-was-stolen-from-the-nazis/

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 02:51 | 6434507 pretty bird
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I don't believe in all the crap.  Sometimes, I'd just like to eat my watermellon in peace.  Global meltdown?  What a bunch of crap.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:54 | 6434805 pods
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No fractional reserve banking, no need for growth. 

I am an environmentalist!

pods

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:57 | 6433981 Manthong
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“The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation’s drinking water or in food”

Don’t think that that is not in the plan..

Big Pharma is likely salivating over this notion.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 09:01 | 6435012 weburke
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poisoning is in fact a very real consideration. we chose to not review in detail what goes in the mouth.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 10:39 | 6435382 Oreilly
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There are several nations in Africa, notably Kenya and Ethiopia, that have recently banned UN and USAID from administering vaccines because they were found to be mixtures of disease preventing vaccines with birth control additives.  The countries and patients were never told, the agencies just did it on their own.  Don't think it can't happen here.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 22:41 | 6434107 Marco
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Most of ZH prefer less totalitarian classical malthusian solutions, starve them into breeding less.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 22:56 | 6434158 Manthong
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They tried that in Africa and it didn't work.

It seems they breed to distract from the hunger.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 03:05 | 6434528 stilletto
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Not tried. When the Popn of Ethiopia etc  became too great for its ecology to support we didnt let nature take its course. We launched aid and now have refugee camps where we supply aid to ensure the pop explodes. Its the bored inhabitants of aid camps that breed through boredom. Perhaps in order to get an aid handout you first get sterilized. If you dont want to be sterilized dont go on the aid train.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:59 | 6434826 PT
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Poor people tend to have large families in the hope that a couple will survive that can care for the parents in their old age.  When people know they'll be looked after in their old age, when they know that if they work hard then they can make a half-decent living and have a few creature comforts, when they know that their offspring will probably survive, they're happy to limit their family to a couple of kids that they know will live comfortably.  Of course, the welfare state can fuck up the latter scenario and let's face it, who wouldn't enjoy laying around fucking all day?

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 00:51 | 6434360 jeff montanye
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erlich was successful in that the prospect he offered gave impetus to the green revolution in agriculture which was largely responsible for preventing mass starvation (that and perhaps some similarly inspired coercive birth control practices of china, india and others).

turns out educating and employing women in an environment of available effective contraception does the trick.  

hope at least the beautiful animals can hang on until the latter part of this century when the human population will decline for voluntary reasons (perhaps augmented by some less so).

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 06:15 | 6434671 EddieLomax
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Every prediction has been proven wrong?  The evidence in front of us says otherwise, there are already mass extinctions of species in the world due to almost every bit of it being comanded for Human needs, I do like the stab at Darwin too in your link

"Malthus and Darwin also ignored technology apparently because they were only interested in biological evolution. They didn’t include the Agricultural Revolution that preceded the Industrial Revolution."

Where did the agrilcultural revolution start?  Was that when we stopped being hunter gatherers and started arable farming?  These events, while significant, are merely buzzwords in history, the logic is inescapable, we as humans will outgrow our resources and we will face the consequences.  We have been in population overshoot for some time now, and can see the evidence if we choose to, such as our falling living standards since the 1970's.

As for the drastic measures, I think they would only be palatable if things got really bad, in a post collapse sort of way, out of context they have no meaning.

The problem with all this is that the solution proposed is more government, which will turn into more of the activities that we cannot afford to do and try to change peoples behaviour by compulsion, that's going to be unsustainable.  Honestly I don't know how to fix it all, but we could make a good start by reordering our lifestyles in our own countries to live for the long term and stop endlessly trying to increase consumption, and let others who choose not to do as they please. 

The fact that many of these people are desperately trying to enter our countries tells us that they are making an awful job of making their own country liveable, but that is their own business and their own problem.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:33 | 6433896 Bangin7GramRocks
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I'm confused. My Texas school book says the animals and plants are disappearing because they can't handle how awesome and exceptional America is. Those species are all peanut butter and jealous!

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 23:01 | 6434178 813kml
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Extinction of apes should put a rest to that whole theory of evolution BS.

Also, any plant or animal not described in the Bible is obviously a creation of Satan and should be sent back to the fires of Hades from whence it came.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 02:21 | 6434475 MSimon
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Computers were not described in the Bible. Is that a problem?

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:17 | 6434878 sessinpo
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So you consider a computer a plant or animal?

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 11:33 | 6435600 RaceToTheBottom
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Don't worry, most of those animals will fall off the edge of the earth anyway.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 04:11 | 6434599 chiswickcat
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Since 1968? That is only one billionth of a blink of an eye, in the time life has been on this planet and yet we are 50% down since then. Species won't necessarily bounce back unless they have a metabolism that utilises plastic particles, pesticides, etc, etc... If things continue it will be only one more billionth of a blink before we are gone.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:53 | 6433737 Calmyourself
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Paul Ehrlich, tyler you are ontp to Paul Ehrlich for hits...  I am damn near done with this place..

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:11 | 6433808 Talleyrand
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Well then...Adios.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 23:57 | 6434281 PaJoad
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Redundant

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:31 | 6433651 mvsjcl
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"The original edition of The Population Bomb [which this author wrote in 1968] began with this statement: "The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate ..."

 

Wikipedia

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:46 | 6433709 greyghost
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thanks mvsjcl. what's the difference between this loon and some evangelical loon spewing the end of the world crap....repent repent

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 01:13 | 6434393 trader1
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You mean someone like Michael Snyder?

 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 01:52 | 6434446 James_Cole
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"The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate ..."

His claim has generally been accurate.

795 million people – or one in nine people in the world – do not have enough to eat.

Poor nutrition causes nearly half (45%) of deaths in children under five – 3.1 million children each year. That is 8,500 children per day.

1.7 billion people lack access to clean water.

http://thp.org/knowledge-center/know-your-world-facts-about-hunger-poverty/

Either that or, it's all a liberal conspiracy!!

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 02:23 | 6434477 MSimon
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Has the number without enough to eat been shrinking sins the 70s?

 

Yes it has.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 02:53 | 6434502 James_Cole
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Global population in 1970, 3.7B. Estimated # malnourished global current ~1B.

Yet, there was a larger number of hungry in the 70s (not as percentage, claim was raw number)? You have some links to back this up?

It's possible, but seems unlikely. Either way, the original claim on hundreds of millions dying from food insecurity.. is still not wrong.

'World death rate' almost certainly incorrect, yes.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 03:01 | 6434521 Rock On Roger
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Free educated women would limit human population growth.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 03:08 | 6434533 James_Cole
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Worked in Iran.

Looked up Ehrlich after posting those comments though... guy is fucking nuts. Food insecurity is a serious problem and population growth is a problem... but Ehrlich is way off the mark on both.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 04:15 | 6434602 chiswickcat
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Yes, need to create a society where two incomes per household are needed. No time to procreate, and not enough income to take time off work to raise children.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 11:37 | 6435615 RaceToTheBottom
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Tests on US subjects have proven when the subject serfs were worked 25 hours a day, they did not procreate as much as if they were on the Dole all day.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:49 | 6434797 Lebensphilosoph
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Except for that all-important bit you just ignored about hundreds of millions starving to death in the 1970s. Or re you actually living on another planet?

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:21 | 6434889 sessinpo
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There is a big difference between starving to death and not having enough to eat.

Back to remedial English and comprehension for you.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:19 | 6433618 decon
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Moron.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:36 | 6433664 greyghost
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is this jackass still around collecting a government paycheck? if this imbecile looked in the mirror he couldn't....wouldn't realize what a worthless eater and consumer of valuable oxygen he is. who the hell is in charge of the hedge today? never seen such crap posted as so called deep thought. maybe the mullers of berkeley earth and this fool from stanford have bought out the tylers. no longer a financial website.....more like end of world dooms day site now........

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:05 | 6433780 negative rates
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And that's exactly what the world needs right now.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:11 | 6434716 Hail Spode
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At least half the commenters on this site could write more profound and helpful stuff. Why does this drivil get the space? If this rates one article, then Localism rates 20..... http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B0GACAQ

PS- my rented house is well within the limits of a city of about 300K. Deer, racoons, turkey's, woodchucks, et al abound. Many species are adapting to life among mankind. 

PSS- something has changed here. For two years whenever I bothered to rank an article it was to give it a five-star ranking. Twice in the last week I have felt compelled to give my first two one-star rankings.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:52 | 6433732 nosam
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All made up numbers in this article.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:41 | 6433926 logicalman
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OK, tell us the real ones.

 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 02:25 | 6434480 MSimon
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No one knows the real numbers.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:07 | 6434848 PT
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Was there any numbers?  Perhaps I shouldn't have skimmed the article.  Perhaps I should've read slower.  All I saw was a bunch of assertions that anyone could've made without thinking and without referrencing anything.  Did I miss something?  Thanks in advance.  I can't be bothered trying to read it properly.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:57 | 6433753 bpj
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Reintroduction of the grizzly bear to south central L.A. Just tell the bears they taste like chicken

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 03:55 | 6434578 mkkby
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Already plenty of predators there.  Just stop trying to protect them from each other.  They'll finish the job themselves.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 22:47 | 6434127 junction
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Don't let big game hunting dentists off the hook.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 02:26 | 6434482 MSimon
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When will big game start hunting politicians?

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 00:09 | 6434303 neilhorn
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The new socialism: you are guilty for the failure of everything, environment, poverty, class warfare, racism, monetary devaluation. I have talked to horned lizards and they told me they were not worthy to live, and they asked me to kill them.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 06:58 | 6434705 Svendblaaskaeg
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google "Paul Ehrlich predictions", nuf said

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:12 | 6434863 oklaboy
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Tyler must have hired a writer from Salon

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:18 | 6433610 q99x2
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Stop fucking around bitchez.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:19 | 6433615 nmewn
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lol...Authored by Paul and Anne Ehrlich, good one Tyler.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:38 | 6434925 oklaboy
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cough, cough, hack, hack, spew, slobber, Tyyyylerrss your killing me, STANFORD? the center of all knowledge???????????? hahahahaahahahah  I love it, Zerohge just opened up a comedy channel

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:19 | 6433617 mt paul
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self extinction 101

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:30 | 6433649 BurningFuld
Mon, 08/17/2015 - 03:18 | 6434540 bunnyswanson
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Killer cats.  Aye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiPNJLgG_Wo

Katherin Chapell mauled by Killer Cat (editor of Game of Thrones) - as a passenger - (Remember Goodfellas?)  The guy behind this vehicle had the ability to make an impact on the unfolding event, so did the driver.  He could have stepped on the accelerater, rolled up the window (new SUV), honked the horn.  I think this young lady was sacrificed to the Lion Gods.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:21 | 6433619 ebworthen
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If Lumber Liquidators is willing to sell formaldehyde laden flooring that can cause asthma, cancer, and hurt kids especially for extra $$$, what chance does the Earth have?

Too many damn people, that's the problem.  Nature usually takes care of that in its own way, but us crazy baboons have nuclear weapons now, so...

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:42 | 6433932 logicalman
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so.... We may save nature the trouble!

 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 02:29 | 6434484 MSimon
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what chance does the Earth have?

 

27.6%

 

Chances can be improved with this:  http://protonboron.com/portal/

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:20 | 6433621 SilverRhino
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Total fucking bullshit.  Take a long cross country drive across the western states. They make western Texas look positively crowded.

 

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:21 | 6433624 ebworthen
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Get back to me when your namesake's are extinct.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:28 | 6433642 Superdave532
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Eh... to be fair, it IS man that's eliminating the Rhinos.  Not through the atmosphere, just good old-fashioned poachers (that deserve to have all four limbs tied to separate automobiles and ripped apart).  I don't think you can blame the coal industry for that one though

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:33 | 6433659 GeorgeHayduke
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Eh...he didn't say anything about climate....

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:53 | 6433738 ebworthen
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"Climate change" is caused by the Sun, we have no control over it.

Pollution and habitat destruction we would have control over, if there weren't too many of us.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 22:16 | 6434037 conscious being
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ebw - I agree with the first part of your first sentence and hit the upvote because this fact, the overwhelming power of the Sun is ignored and buried. Solar activity is currently decreasing.

The second part, "we have no control over it.", I'm not so sure. Ok, 'we', you and I have no control over it, but the MIC, for their own, nefarious reasons is diverting the moisture laiden Jet Stream, coming off the Pacific, towards the Artic and away from the West Coast. All you need to know about how hopelessly insane the typical boobus americanus has become is to observe that almost no one will acknowledge the chemical spray-fest going on over their collective heads.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:42 | 6433694 scaleindependent
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simpledave,

 

The mechanism of extinction is not the point. The point is that it is man made. Geez

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:44 | 6433703 TuPhat
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Then you need a better point.  That one is bull.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:59 | 6433989 Superdave532
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Two very different things, SI.  One is wiping out a local species (along with several others) and the other will one day take food out of everyone's mouths.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 22:00 | 6433991 techpreist
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The other point to go along with it, is whether government is at all capable of solving it.

More often than not, legit environmental issues are used by DC bureaucrats to ram through the latest in political fashion "because it's in your best interest," but when environmental destruction does not go against their interest, they conveniently look the other way.

Example: Acme Corp. dumps waste in the river, it ends up in your lake and kills some of your fish. Acme corp pays the local politician/puppet to say "Price of progress!" This was common in the not so distant past. Today, Acme Corp. makes ethanol, and even though some studies have shown that ethanol is in fact worse for the environment once you consider all factors, you have to pay Acme Corp through your taxes even if you don't buy a drop from them. Oh, and the nitrogen from the corn still ends up in your lake and kills your fish.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 00:19 | 6434320 neilhorn
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i'm telling you, when I was on a Peyote trip I talked to a whole community of horned lizards. They begged me to kill all of them. I had no weapons at the time, so could not kill them all. I stomped as many as did not escape, but some made it through to another dimension.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:43 | 6433698 Oldwood
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Everything has a critical mass. For radioactive materials it results in a big boom. For mass in general, its a black hole. Humans appear to have one as well.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:48 | 6433720 TuPhat
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You are correct and the only way to reach that critical mass is to consume enough cheeseburgers and fries.  No one quite knows exactly what happens when critical mass is reached but I think it's something like a plugged up toilet.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:50 | 6433728 barliman
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I do not think you understand the term "critical mass"

critical mass - the minimum amount of fissile material needed to maintain a nuclear chain reaction.

and no, it is not:

supercritical mass - A mass of fissile material that is more than sufficient to sustain a nuclear chain reaction.

The "big boom" is not easily achieved.

DGMSOTROYS

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 01:32 | 6434426 neilhorn
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Yes, I have a brown hole. Barking spider, as a friend called it. Don't know what he meant.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 00:24 | 6434328 neilhorn
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ebworthen, your namesake no longer exists. your progeny will fail. you have no future, and neither will your progeny thrive. the pit is reserved for you and all you hold sacred.

 

Your namesake is extinct.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:34 | 6433658 GeorgeHayduke
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Right. Because it's purely about your perception of population density.

It's always good to come here to see how the Zeroes perceive anything outside of stocks, bonds and their economic beliefs and fantasies. Zero understanding about anything else, especially big picture ideas, is a major understatement.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:43 | 6433700 TuPhat
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You call yourself Hayduke and you call us 'Zeroes'.  I would say the Zero understanding is actually a reflection of yourself.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:59 | 6433754 GeorgeHayduke
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See...that's why I don't come here for anything thoughtful or intellectual. I assess the data as it comes while trying to keep personal biases, beliefs, and ideology out of the analysis. Whereas here, personal biases, beliefs and ideology ARE the basis for understanding everything. Considering the dollar-chasing, inside the box mentality of most posters here it makes you guys as predictable as sunrise. Not all, but most. Just my observations.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:16 | 6433839 Kprime
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what you see is a reflection of the mirrors in your mind.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:46 | 6433950 Realname
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Theyre too busy getting all wet thinking about voting for Trump or Sanders.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 22:21 | 6434057 conscious being
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TuPhat - I think you don't recognize George Hayduke. Maybe you should look into it?

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:47 | 6433716 Oldwood
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Because it's irrelevant?

THIS IS THE REAL COLLECTIVE

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 23:03 | 6434184 Dr. Bonzo
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I'll pass on the word around Guangdong Province. I know about 200 million Chinese who can help you cure your delusion of ample.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:31 | 6433638 gmak
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See. THis is why it's Bush Clinton, Bush -some other guy - clinton.  A total lack of critical thinking.

 

Nature destroys millions of species on a continuous basis. That's why it's called natural selection.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:47 | 6433954 logicalman
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Humans are, largely due to their own actions, near the top of the 'what species is next' list

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 22:13 | 6434030 GMadScientist
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Sure...and VRSA is just a well-adapted bacteria and an inability to resist dioxin is an unfortunate maladaptation.

Ignorance on par with yours should be grounds for denying your right to vote.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 23:19 | 6434212 Miffed Microbio...
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VISA/VRSA is just a response to selective pressures. Believe me after we have nuked ourselves into the Stone Age (given a few years) they will lose such characteristics and revert to the kind and happy staph aureus we have known through out the ages. Everything else too! No more ESBLs, nasty Acinetobacters, XDR TBs.... My god, a virtual paradise!

Miffed;-)

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:29 | 6433645 Miffed Microbio...
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What the hell is going on with all the deer? I visited our family Spokane farm and it was crawling with them. My mother in law has been going nuts trying to keep them out of the landscaping and vegetable gardens. One just plopped out a faun on the front lawn. Thirty years ago I never saw one deer the five years I lived there. She'd probably shoot them if she could get away with it. Add deer to the cockroach list.

Miffed

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:38 | 6433674 nmewn
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I think you answered your own question..."She'd probably shoot them if she could get away with it."

Fortunately down here... 

"As anticipated, on Friday, November 21, 2014, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission voted to remove the ban on using silencer/suppressor-equipped rifles and pistols for the taking of deer, gray squirrels, rabbits, wild turkeys, quail and crows."

http://www.gunsandammo.com/politics/hunting-suppressors-now-legal-florida/#ixzz3j1nfy884

...we can now just pop em, haul em around back, string em up and gut em in the shade by the swimming pool and the neighbors will never even know ;-)

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:05 | 6433784 Miffed Microbio...
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Ok, your post just caused a major frothing at the Miffed household. The fist through the wall, the muttering of " why do we live in such a fucking stupid State?" Then he was silent. " Silencers are federally regulated... Give me your iPad."

He hands it back to me resolved. " I hope your Nmewn friend knows how to make one."

Miffed;-)

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:29 | 6433879 nmewn
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Well of course I do, I'd just have to go over to my buddy _____'s machine shop to make one and of course it would be "ïllegal" (whatever the hell that means anymore) but they are legal in my state, here's a map...

https://silencerco.com/education/

..."legally" you have to buy them through a dealer, pay through the nose and go through all the paperwork that pencil necked geeks love to create, it's like job security for statists or sumpin ;-)

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 22:47 | 6434129 Miffed Microbio...
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I'm teasing you. ;-)

This subject always start him down the lecture path of me being in Sauron's Eye while he is untraceable. But, then again, I've gotten out of 5 speeding tickets with a smile and a gleam in my eye and he's been close to arrest. Pisses him off to no end and I worry if I do slip up, he may not post bail.

"Damn Dingbat blond could have a full auto Uzi with a homemade silencer on the front seat and she' d convince the cop to go the range to have fun firing it with her."

Miffed;-)

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 00:24 | 6434330 DaddyO
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"Damn Dingbat blond could have a full auto Uzi with a homemade silencer on the front seat and she' d convince the cop to go the range to have fun firing it with her."

Dear Miffed, please dispense with the self deprecating humor, it only adds to your attractiveness and makes you the most wanted Milffed Microbiologist on the hedge.

Talk of silencer lust only adds to the allure...;-)

DaddyO

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:43 | 6433902 Lumberjack
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Deer love fresh logging ooerations and agricultural land. Lately they have discovered the subburbs have penty of resources such as gardens and shrubs, and very few predators.

Since a farm is involved in Miffs case. I would be inclined that the owners would be justigied legally to cull the nudaince animals.

Here is another bear story...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3198903/Black-bear-breaks-car-Mo...

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 22:16 | 6434039 GMadScientist
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Just need more Coywolves.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 00:26 | 6434331 neilhorn
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Martha Stewart: And that's a good thing

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:42 | 6433697 Redneck Hippy
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People stopped shooting the deer, this is what happens. Same here in Tennessee, even though we still have lots of hunters. Wild turkeys and Canadian geese shitting everywhere too. Need some apex predators. Wolves and cougars.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:14 | 6433824 Kprime
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no uninhabited space left for them to live in.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 22:11 | 6434021 apu123
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I live in the Spokane area and there are a lot of deer running around.  In many places you can't discharge firearms and the fish and game people are on the lookout for any possible revenue opportunities.  We have also had a lot of police on civilian violence, forest fires, drought and ongoing liberal progressive infection from Seattle.  There has been a lot of talk about the DNR coming in and regulating/metering private wells and they all ready define everything as "watershed" or "wetlands".  One of my conspiracy friends showed me the Agenda 21 map and Spokane is in a human no-go zone.  It kind if feels like they are trying to take steps towards that.  The deer are a minor problem these days. 

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 23:04 | 6434176 Dr. Bonzo
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Great. I live in China and here we got container parks full of cars blowing the-fuck-up and 1.3 billion Chinese eating cardboard dumplings and consuming 40% of Australia's agricultural production.

Never fear. If only 20% of these fuckwits moved to North America you would double the population of the continent and over here we wouldn't even notice. If another 20% of these fucking cockroaches migrated to Europe you could double the population of Europe and we still wouldn't notice we had a few more inches of elbow room.

Progressive infection from Seattle? Those are actually the conservatives leaving the Puget Sound area because of the influx of Left Coast libs from Kalifornia.

Not to fear though... once the Chinese get a whiff of what you're selling they'll soon be coming.

And I haven't even gotten to the 1.4 billion Indians yet. You people really don't get it. These people want what you have, and they want it NOW. And they've figured out it's only a plane ticket away.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 00:31 | 6434337 neilhorn
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What are you in Washington, a bunch of communists? How can you live in a state named after the possibly greatest American while up with this shit putting"

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:31 | 6433652 Implied Violins
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If the fucking plunderers of this word would stop fracking, radiating, pesticiding, fluoridating, chemtrailing, warring, and raping this world and instead back all the good technology they have stolen for themselves to keep us under control, this world would be in great shape.

It is those 0.0000001%ers that caused this bullshit. Get rid of them, unleash that pent up technology, and EDUCATE people and overnight we'd be far, far better off.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:41 | 6433689 TuPhat
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You only have the dream of dream.  If you wake up you will still be dreaming.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:49 | 6433726 Sanity Bear
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I personally witnessed chemtrailing just an hour ago. Plane was flying with a trail, trail stopped abruptly, a minute later it started again. They're super noticable out here in the country because we hardly ever see them, and there were several lines of them up there in neat geometric formation.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:28 | 6433877 SolarSystem1932
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Dearest Sanity Bear,

"...several lines of them up there in neat geometric formation."

Weather fronts, highs and lows, have compression waves. 

As a jet travels thru them, condensation trails visually turn on / off.

That is what you witnessed...this time.

If you watch the sky as much as I do, you'll see multiple jets

that appear to turn on/off "chemtrails" as the exact same place.

Again, it is due to compression waves and jet vapor interaction.

Sleep well.

 

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:35 | 6433908 Sanity Bear
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only one turned off, and I observed the plane as it was spraying

 

so unless compression waves make airplanes too, you're full of it

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:57 | 6433985 Recidivism
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Ever heard of altitude?

If you observe the spraying planes and listen to birdsong you will likely find a correlation there too.

What you see is what you want.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 23:04 | 6434185 Implied Violins
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So we are back to this shit again? The deniers back in droves...well, I work as a Biologist in California doing water testing on the Sacramento River, and our lab consistently sees levels of aluminum in the *milligrams per liter* range. There is no correlation with river flow volume, or other metals tested at the same time in the same sample. In addition, fish that I do tests on die because of this problem, and microscopic analysis of gill sections shows an ugly, gray mass present that fuses lamella and causes other injury to the gills, resulting in death by secondary infections. All of this information has been passed on to Dane Wigington at Geoengineeringwatch.org. If you want a real education on this stuff, you can get it there.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 00:39 | 6434345 neilhorn
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You work for the State of California? You are working for a contractor, aren't you?

Sacramento River has mg/l concentrations regardless of flow? What about if flow was 6,000 cf/min or greater?

All the fish you test die? Is there something in your protocol that kills the fish?

Maybe Dane can solve the problem, because your problem is not mine.

Good luck to you and your community. I hope you learn how to survive.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 11:35 | 6435609 Implied Violins
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I perform 7-day chronic tests on fathead minnows using different concentrations of plant effluent::Sacramento river water. The fish consistently die off in mixed concentrations of 25% or greater, and quite often even at 6.25% or greater. The fish don't die in the river water alone; it is bacteria present in the effluent which finish off the fish. These conditions, BTW, exist in the river south of our plant at Freeport, as that is where our wastewater enters the river. This is...unfortunate...for the Delta Smelt, which are exposed to this combination of high aluminum river water and effluent. The last census in the delta found only 6 smelt.

As for aluminum levels, they range from the micrograms to milligrams per liter, but there is no correlation to river flow volumes. The high amounts show up as 'spikes' far above normal values, and much, much higher than other metals present like iron and copper, and they occur as often during times of low flow as high. No other metals spike like that, as high as *4 milligrams per liter*. Dane Wigington has had this metal analyzed (though he took his samples much farther upriver), and it is apparently aluminum oxide and it matches a military patent.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 22:31 | 6434087 conscious being
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Sanity Bear - you've attracted unknkown suppressers of the .gov variety, so your comment hit a nerve. Can you say appoximatly where you are? The rumor going around says the intensive spraying is going to move inland, further east, towards the Mid-West. Thanks.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 23:15 | 6434201 Sanity Bear
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south of Greenville SC

 

The weather has been constant for several days now, and the forecast is more of the same for another week. I watch the sunset every day because it's absolutely gorgeous to actually see the whole sky not blotted out by buildings.

 

The streaks today stood out like a sore thumb, there was absolutely no doubt that something was being sprayed. I've never seen it this far south of the city which is what prompted me to say something. When I was north of the city I saw it happen regularly. The population density is very low around here.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 14:54 | 6436438 Sanity Bear
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"compression waves" made a nice criss-cross pattern in the sky earlier today

 

amazing things those "compression waves"

 

 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 15:44 | 6436627 Sanity Bear
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oh hey and yet another one shows up

 

One single "compression wave" tracing a mathematically precise line at 45 degrees northeast. Those "compression waves" are absolutely fucking amazing! You could literally calibrate a GPS to this one!

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 00:33 | 6434341 neilhorn
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I saw one, too this evening. I was wondering where all those people were going while flushing the plane's toilet.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:12 | 6433813 Kprime
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but they do it for the children

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 00:51 | 6434358 neilhorn
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toilet babies don't have any saleable parts. The thalumus hits with an impact that destroys its usefulness.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:56 | 6435000 yellowsub
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I doubt it'll be that easy, from my observation, people have the expectation that someone else will do it for them.

 

 

 

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:35 | 6433668 scaleindependent
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It is not only the economy going down the drain.  It is everything.

 

Just like we are destroying rivers with lead and arsenic so are we destroying the rest of the world, including other species. (see EPA's recent SNAFU, FUKUSHIMA, etc)

 

 It is not just tangible destruction of resources but also a political destruction of freedom and the right for self direction.  Our liberties are being taken away (see recent article on NSA and AT&T).   Congressional representative democracy around the world is also being destroyed (See Erdogan in previous ZH post).

 

The generalized decrepitude extends to intangibles like personal values like self reliance, kindness, etc.

 

Why is this so hard to understand or why are we in denial? 

 

Dying species are just another canary in a darkening mine.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:39 | 6433683 TuPhat
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You still have the right to self destruction.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:36 | 6433669 Seasmoke
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All I know is they Better stop fucking with the Bees.  

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:11 | 6433807 Kprime
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sound like we better stop fucking.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:38 | 6433676 TuPhat
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I read a ways into it before I got the joke.  Alost pulled one over on me Tylers.  When I was in High School, industrialization was going to cause another ice age and we would all be dead by 2010.  That was back in 1969 and it was a proven scientific fact.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:39 | 6433678 Boondocker
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If the author is so concerned, why are they still here writing this???

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:39 | 6433680 European American
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Humans are the Invasive Species.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:40 | 6433686 bytebank
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We are killing the Pacific Ocean with all the Fukushima radiation being discharged by the 100s of tons daily. Dying seals, whales are staring to litter the coast lines. Almost all Pacific sardines and anchovies are dead. Sea stars are melting into goo. Not a pretty picture

We are killing the bio diversity of the planet. Just because you see a shit load of deer does not mean all is well. The opposite is true. Where are all the wolves that kept that population in check?

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:45 | 6433705 farmerbraun
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Got some viddy of that marine ex-life?

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 13:43 | 6436135 bytebank
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You can check on enenews.com for the latest on Fukushima and then impact it is having.

http://enenews.com/giant-whales-found-dead-pacific-northwest-scientists-...

 

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:41 | 6433692 who cares
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God created the universe with the earth and all living species except man. Man was created by Evil.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:42 | 6433696 MegaOlmecanManiac
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Damn, I knew it was my fault. Thank the gods of science there are urban ivory tower intellectual sophists who can straighten me out.

Those fuckers need to take a walk somewhere outside of the Bay Area.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:51 | 6433731 Oldwood
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DAMN YOU!

I knew it wasn't me...

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:50 | 6433727 CoonT
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So, without the previous "mass extinctions" there would never be, us. Sounds to me like it's not really such a bad deal; almost like.....nature taking it's course.

 

Wonder what the next dominant Kingdom will be?  

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:56 | 6433749 LetsGetPhysical
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Never go full "climate change" retard.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 20:57 | 6433751 db51
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40% of wildlife....BULLSHIT!    I've hit 8 mother fucking deer in 5 years.   Breeding like rats....and the turkey populations are so over the top that you can't keep them out of crops.   I've had a 40 bird turkey flock wipe out 60 acres of corn in less than two weeks.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:15 | 6433831 Brutlstrudl
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 YeahI've got so many hawks and other predatory animals living off the roadkill. We're at the top if the gamecycle.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 22:05 | 6434004 Recidivism
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Animals include insects, there are over a million species of them.

Some silly moron needs to learn the definition of an animal. If they can't get that basic fact right then they are as reliable as the stats of the BLS. 

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:03 | 6433773 Tasty Sandwich
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Many refuse to understand things like peak oil, overpopulation, or the human impact on the planet and other species because it contradicts their delusional belief in a god or gods. 

Understanding those things would demonstrate that the nihilists are right and shatter their world.

Dinosaurs, humans, next.

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:32 | 6433895 Northern Lights
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"With my deeds I honour him...........V8"

 

 

Sun, 08/16/2015 - 21:41 | 6433920 Tasty Sandwich
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If we're actually on a planet that orbits a star, then the nihilists are right.

I also entertain the idea that we live in some sort of computer simulation and nothing is actually real - including most people.

Like in the game Grand Theft Auto: Online, there might be thirty actual human players in a free roam session but there are also many, many more AI players.

In that case, however, god would simply be the nerd hosting the game.

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