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Zero Hedge: What Should We Do?
Zero Hedge has the smartest readers of just about any site in the world ...
Most of us know that just about every government in the world is thoroughly corrupt, and that all of the economic indicators are wholly manipulated ...
And that the big insiders skew the playing field through high frequency trading, quote stuffing, insider dealing, central bank shenaningans, etc. ad nauseum ...
Most of us are just trying to protect our assets and our families ...
And we know that the big reset is coming, because the Matrix can only suppress reality for so long ...
So what's this about?
All of us together are smarter than any one of us individually. (I learn as much from reading your comments as I do from my own research and writing).
Here's the question: How do we build a sane, free world out of the ashes of the fallen system?
It's easy to point out the problems. But I want to hear from wiser souls as to SOLUTIONS.
How do we build local NETWORKS of mature, freedom-loving individuals so we can hit the ground running? After all, we can all go into our own caves to weather out the storm. But - at some point - we have to rebuild community and civilization.
Empires have collapsed one after another for thousands of years ... and then the people have seemingly started over at zero.
How do we build networks of trust, strenth and prosperity to weather the hurricane of change?
I'm not even pretending to have all of the answers. I'm just humbly trying to start the conversation ...
What do you think?
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I've read a lot of what should be enacted in this thread, but not a lot of how to do it. If you want to enact even half of the ideas put forth here, there will be supply chain breaks. Either because the system is so out of balance with reality that changes to the system bring those breaks about, or through the intent of those trying to maintain power shutting them down. The first step of what we all need to do is to learn 18th century skills of providing for ourselves. While you're acquiring those skills, you should be convincing yourself not that shit will hit the fan, but that shit can hit the fan. Then you need to understand that when SHTF, there are a lot of people who would have reflexively derided you for even bringing up the possibility that the next 100 years will not be like the last will feel entitled to what you have. Plan for yourself accordingly based on that. In SHTF, there will be a very unsympathetic zombie apocalypse of sorts. Know your area, know your people and know your resources. If you can cobble something together, that may be best in the long term. If you have to bug out, bug out. Be flexible. Survive.
The point here is that you are not going to have an opportunity to affect meaningful change until the current system is so obviously broken that the nay sayers are worried about starving to death. Accordingly, your actions should be to acquire skills and knowledge. Then you'll have to wait until things get so bad that people are ready to make the changes themselves. This won't happen until we're all staring into the precipice.
Assume that mad max is the outcome, and be ready to survive that. We cannot have any discussion of what amendments to nix or to add if we are dead. Once the dust settles, you can start passing on your skills and knowledge. Or maybe it won't get to mad max where you are, and you can start passing on that knowledge immediately.
Another thing to do is to study revolutions throughout history. Look for the worst outcomes, and look for the people employing the methods used by the leaders of those revolutions so that you can recognize them.
If we try to enact change peacefully, we will be met with insurmountable resistance right now. The options are to wait for collapse and be ready to pick up the peaces, or do a better job of convincing people that we are fucked than I can do and to organize a real physical resistance. Things are going to fall apart, and our options are to try to stop them from falling apart to let them fall apart, or try to control how badly they fall apart. The how here is to wait until SHTF, and to use your time now to be prepared. We can worry about what the government looks like afterwards.
"Assume that mad max is the outcome, and be ready to survive that."
Way too optimistic!
"... study revolutions throughout history ..."
Nothing in human history compares to the future of globalized systems of electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs. Nothing in human history compares to the accumulating progress in physical science developing technologies which are trillions of times more capable and powerful. The ONLY theoretically possible genuine solutions would require changes in political science that surpassed those which have already been achieved in physical science, which means that the ways that we perceive political problems have to go through more profound paradigm shifts than those which have already happened during the history of scientific revolutions.
The ONLY events that I am aware of in the past that compare with those which have happened during my life time are those when evolution developed photosynthesis.
IF technological civilization survives, it will do so by changing the philosophy of science, as that applies to political science in general, and the combined money/murder systems in particular. Of course, after one reviews most of the answers offered in the comments above, one most reasonably confirms that the necessary series of intellectual scientific revolutions do NOT have enough time to happen, compared to the speed with which the problems are getting worse, faster. In my view, the comments above are primarily examples of the same old-fashioned bullshit views of what the problems are, which then are repeated in the context of the related "solutions" to those problems. There is NOT enough understanding of the basic energy systems working exactly the ways that they had to work, because the established systems based upon governments ENFORCING FRAUDS by privately controlled banks are based upon the vast majority of people not wanting to understand how that actually worked, but rather, wanting to continue to deliberately ignore and misunderstand in absurdly backward ways.
The basic issues are always how artificial selection systems develop inside of the context of natural selection pressures. The deeper levels of paradoxes are due to the human artificial selection systems being primarily shaped by the history of warfare. The result is that civilization is now based upon almost nothing but a core of organized crime, surrounded by layers of controlled opposition. In that context, almost all of the "solutions" suggested above were those offered by the controlled opposition groups, that continue to think in the same bullshit-based ways.
No old-fashioned violent revolutions have any point, other than as an expression of severe social storms blowing through. The only revolutions that matter will be the intellectual scientific revolutions, and only those could guide the other revolutions towards something better, which must mean going forward, not backward to any other old-fashioned ideologies or religions. Indeed, our biggest problems now are the degree to which the monetary system and natural security have become psychotic state religions, which people tend to believe in because those are absurd.
I REPEAT: the thing that has changed everything else is progress in physical science, and the ONLY way to cope with that would be for progress in political science to surpass the progress already achieved in physical science. Pretty well all other ideologies and religions are mostly obstacles in the way, especially the state religions that operate the currently existing combined money/murder systems.
exercise our right, per Article 16, of that specious Cold War sop to Soviet paranoia, the Outer Space Treaty of 1967, and unilaterally withdraw
go back to the Moon, while proclaiming US "national sovereign powers" (treaty prohibits) to recognize the property rights (discoveries, processes, enhancements, et al) of parties up there
do this and you'll have the 21st century version of the Pacific RR Acts of the 1860's, and 1 day we can privatize NASA with a global IPO @ $1 trillion +.
APPROVAL VOTING! http://www.electology.org/approval-voting
It will have to start locally, then go state-wide, then finally be applied to federal elections. There is no way that TPTB will let us do this - we'll have to fight for it municipality by municipality.
The concept: You can vote for as many candidates on the ballot as you want to (just don't vote for all - that's like not voting). The beauty here is that you do NOT rank your votes you simply vote Yes or No. This breaks the "lesser of evils" trap.
So during the 1992 presidential election a Democrat who was starting to see through lesser of evils BS could have voted for Ross Perot and Bill Clinton. A Republican who was starting to see through the lesser of evils BS could have voted for Ross Perot and George HW Bush. Ross Perot would have won handily.
I know this isn't an investment idea George - but I had to put this out there when you ask "What should we do?"
Debt Jubilee might help some...
What if we all start telling the truth?
If we commit to searching for the truth, and holding it above ALL ELSE, well I think that's all it would take.
Try it for a day, and see how hard and deep you have to dig to get there. Now, if we all did that....
You may be more correct than you realize. There are ways to force this to happen. Technology will eventually make its way toward doing this if we don't go back to the dark ages first.
You're right, truth is where it all starts and it's probably enough.
In "Trail of the Serpent," the author references JB Van Helmont's 1600s era book, "Hortus Medicine," in which he states, "There's a magical force that keeps those in sin asleep." If one doesn't sin, the "energy" allows the individual to see the Truth. The Truth is simply the Truth about history and those that control the governments. Knowledge of the "Truth" sets the soul "free" since the soul is longer bound to the lies. The current "Lie Matrix" has its roots in Astrozarianism, Ahura Mazda, Judaism, Gnosticism and Kabbala (not Kabala with 1 b).
Today, the 'lie-matrix' ideology is called Sabbatean-Frankism. All the big players were/are Frankists, including Kissinger, Rockefeller, Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Churchill, Marx, etc. Mary Shelley's Frankenstein was actually a "whistle-blower" book. Sin-Free folks can search the term 'Sabbatean-Frankist' to gain a full understanding of what is really happening. It's that easy. Sinners/Liars will be refused understanding by the mysterious energy that surrounds us.
"Breaking Free" from the chains around our souls is considered, "passing through the veil of ISIS."
"What is truth?" ~Pontius Pilate
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I have always felt, where we citizens get screwed is right at the beginning with the primaries.
How about a lottery, every able bodied citizen must participate in a district level. If selected, two clear winners must be selected, these persons are then voted for in to the State primary. Two are selected and stand for one more round of state national primaries and the winners run for the office.
Two term limits.
If they do not wish to serve, too bad, it is government service, which may not be such a bad thing for America.
The ZeroHedge Fund!
I like the question GW. Very complex. So many answers. None right, none wrong.
How can you make crazy people sane? For example, I recently attended an orientation for new students at University of Oregon. The liberal dribble was just amazing. So as not to offend any gay/lesbian/trans students, they were asking everyone to stop using he/him/his/she/her/hers and start using they/them. So how can people that believe playing word games is important, be of benefit or aid in rebuilding of a civilization. They are crazy and have beliefs that will just resurface and disrupt any new society. So, what can you do with people like this? Is it better for society to fall into complete chaos and cull the herd, or is there a way to use the crazies? Personally, I think of liberal/progressives as 'the walking dead' with the prescribed solution as being very obvious. And a few of them might have the same thoughts about conservatives, but they don't like guns so I just might have an edge on them.
Look at it this way, suppose this was reality. Would you as an individual feel confident enough to go against the logic and reason of thousands with the one little computer stacked on top of your skinny little neck. You would control your emotions and keep your mouth shut, because you didn’t go to MIT and even if you did it wouldn’t matter. If you did go into a crazy fit you would be a social outcast. Two points, one we are not talking about a little black box. Every aspect of every conclusion must be transparent as to how it arrived. The very workings must be open to critique. In a way you are putting your faith in goodness of humanity. Two, we must evolve, humans must make a change to catch up with the technology of the last century. If we don’t it will be just what they talk about on this site every day, a disaster.
Hi Xavi, In short you control the crazies by controlling the environment. Which environment are we speaking of. Please understand this is all theory. The pieces all exist they just haven’t been put together. The problem with the crazies is the output. What they say just didn’t pop out. It is the result of a process and honest or dishonest process or more likely a combination. Somewhere there was an error in the processing because after all the human brain is just a computer. You have reasons for the way you feel or think about things personally. You believe what you believe is rational and logical because that is how you would defend your point of view. To get to the point 8 yrs. ago or so I came across an article where the MIT grad IQ 145 was pitted against 6 normal folks in a contest of reason the normal folks won. This was labelled collective intelligence. So picture it this way 10,000 people sit at computers entering logical or hopefully rational propositions into a central platform with software that can identify syntax and errors in logic or reason. The study of epistemology is coded in as open source. There is no association between what proposition travels into the system and who put it there. It could be a man in the bush or a nun in a nunnery. The proposition is not elevated or struck down by association. The is no fluff , name calling, posturing just the proposition. It is there 24/7/365 to be challenged and the more it is challenged the more refined it becomes and the greater perspective it offers. Far out there yes but considering the science of today absolutely doable. What would this accomplish? One we would have for the first time a truly “human” perspective, not a republican perspective, not a religious perspective or regional perspective, not a perspective promoting self- interest or greed unless it was rational and logical. Think of the Vulcans as a race who has implemented this for more than a thousand years. they are fictional, but the question is would we change? Would we somehow evolve in our perspectives as a species. There would be no more crazies. They just wouldn’t open their mouths.
Please, please, please end your war with "progressives and liberals". Your war is with the oligarchy, which is both Democrat and Republican, libreal and conservative. You are still being blinded by the propaganda. Open your eyes. You are almost there.
If you know a tsunami is coming, GO TO HIGH GROUND! Although many alternatives aren't perfect, I'm looking at Chile, Iceland, Puerto Rico or Costa Rica. .......not really in the mood for SE Asia yet.
Hmmm, Iceland has very active volcanoes. Chile is a very active earthqake zone. Costa Rica has Malaria. There's always something.
Quinine
Since every Empire has eventually succumbed due to its own players' hubris, the notion of Empire needs to be discarded and our opportunity here in the United States once had the chance to dissolve in 1860. That was not permitted, and 5% of our male population was either horribly killed, maimed forever, or injured to the point of not being able to provide for their family. The equivalent number today is nominally 25,000,000 men.
The only possible solution to governance is to keep the entities small enough that accountability for failed and successful policies can be laid at the feet of the individuals responsible.
The most egregious corrupt practice in state and federal government, is allowing a bill for one thing to be amended to include something totally unrelated---which would never see the light of day if proposed separately----to be tacked on to a sensible one.
This would not be permitted at the local level or at a level where the legislator can be singled out as a dingbat for doing so.
Dissolution of large, TBTF entities is the only possible route to what you are seeking.
A republic, a representative democracy, no longer servesits populace when elected representatives have to represent an unmanageably large number of constituents. We have long surpassed that point in the US so that elected representatives serve their largest contributors (another issue - campaign finance - is in play here.
The inherent problem is that the larger ANY entity becomes, the less it is likely to actually represent and serve its members yet the trend is towards LARGER and LARGER organizations that are further and further detached from those they should be serving. The whole move towards 'world government' may in theory be nice - no more nationalistic wars and such, a sharing of resources, etc... BUT it is more likely that fewer and fewer benefit from more and more centralization.
Power corrupts and ever larger organizations mean more powerful organizations and ....more corruption. BUT the trend continues towards larger and larger......
SO... the question is really: How can you reverse this trend and give more power to SMALLER organizations that better serve their members? Some things like credit unions - and things like the State Bank of North Dakota clearly work well but cannot compete with the megabanks that have government backing (and who OWN the Fed). Government will NEVER willingly give back ANY power it takes - look at the increasing Executive Brnch powers over time - Congress has not declared war since WWII (thoug it is expressly given that task in the Constitution, Executives have made that decision for all purposes over the last 75 years). The 'Deep State' has assumed Orwellian powers - it will never willing relinquishh them.
Sadly it seems that the best choice for an individual is to find the SMALLEST country or entity they are comfortable with - preferably one that has nothing of interest to larger powers - but is there any such place left in the world? Getting as much distance between you and the BIG things in the world may seem like a good idea - and may work if you are in the right locale but you never know..... one of my favorite stories concerns someone in the early 1980's who was convinced WWIII was imminent so he fled to the remotest place he could find - islands in the South Atlantic.... The Falklands SEEMED like a good idea.... southern hemisphere, far away from the major powers......oops.
Leaving aside a discussion of spirituality and its importance in our everyday lives, a discussion of how to fix our current economic system and woes begins with ending the private central banking system we now live under, and which currently dominates the Western world. The current system concentrates far too much wealth and power in the hands of far too few. You simply can't have this much money and power concentrated in the hands of a few families/individuals that are not elected, are not audited, and who live and operate in a world of total secrecy and self-interest, and are completely unresponsive to the billions of others who live on this planet. The potential for corruption and abuse is off the charts. Human nature being what it is almost guarantees that under this private monetary system, the few will eventually end up with everything, and the rest of us with nothing. It doesn't matter if they are Jewish, Christian, Muslim, or Aliens. It is a secret, feudal, anti-democratic, despotic system of money creation and control, which somehow still exists in a world that is evolving and begs for more responsive and democratic institutions. Private central banking is a feudal system, without checks and balances, whose time has come and gone. It is completely out of sync with the current economic and democratic needs of the planet and its people.
The answer is to end private central banking and return the power to create and regulate money to the people. A public bank chartered (and therefore limited) to acting in the public interest. That is the answer. It's as simple and as difficult as that. So if you really want to change the world, that's how to do it. Forget about everything else. Focus on that, nothing else. Start a movement. Not much will change in politics or economics without changing how we create and regulate our money supply, and who does it. I'd much rather have the collective wisdom of the people making these decisions, than a handful of insatiable, greedy psychopathic killers who will stop at nothing to gain control and power over the rest of us.
There is precendent for this. North Dakota has a public bank and it's doing quite well thank you. http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/03/how-nation%E2%80%99s-only-state-owned-bank-became-envy-wall-street
Gadlfy, I certainly agree: THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
However, the systems whereby governments enforce frauds by privately controlled banks are EXTREMELY "as simple and as difficult as that."
Money is measurement backed by murder. A return to public control over the monetary systems demands public control over the murder systems. The reasons why the international banksters were able to succeed were that they were the best organized gangs of criminals, that persistently applied the methods of organized crime to the political processes, for generation after generation, until the established systems have become almost nothing but a core of organized crime, surrounded by layers of controlled opposition groups, wherein the successful politicians are the banksters' puppets, voted for by enough of the masses of muppets.
Any realistic attempts to change that situation runs into the problems that are overwhelmingly already present in the real POLITICAL FUNDING. Therefore, Gadlfy, while I agree with your analysis of the most important problem, the "solutions" appears to be politically impossible, due to the double-bind Catch 22 paradoxes that one could not change the monetary systems without changing the funding of politics, while one could not change the funding of politics without changing the monetary systems.
The established systems of debt slavery have already driven their numbers to become debt insanities. I cannot imagine how that could be fixed without that provoking death insanities. The deeper issues were ALWAYS that the debt controls were backed by the death controls. The banksters ended up with the most control because they were the best organized gangsters. The general public has already become more than 99% incompetent political idiots, that do not know, and do not want to know, about any of the real human ecology issues inside of which the political economy operates.
A public controlled monetary system should be based upon a energy standard, so that could be better integrated through the human, industrial and natural ecologies. However, when one does approach the human monetary system as a general energy system, then one recognizes how and why that necessarily operates as entropic pumping of energy flows, which most closely match the principles and methods of organized crime. While I agreed with the analysis of the problems you presented, Gadlfy, however, more realistic resolutions of those problems should be consistent with a deeper analysis of how and why the banksters were able to capture control over the public monetary systems.
Since there now exist globalized systems of electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs, changing that is obviously the most important thing, BUT, which IS "as simple and as difficult as that." There are no ways to change the money system without changing the murder system that backs that up. However, in general, the public is not able and willing to go through the paradigm shifts that would be required for them to be able to make greater use of information in order to actually do that.
Rather, we are actually headed towards the murder systems, which have already been about 75% privatized, catching up to the money systems, which have already been able 99% privatized. Regaining more public control over those things would require series of intellectual scientific revolutions, that profoundly changed the paradigms through which enough people perceived their political problems.
Of course, that appears political impossible, as was demonstrated by how so many of the comments posted above relied upon old-fashioned "magical words," which are present in their favourite religions and/or ideologies, in order to promote their versions of what the "solutions" should be. As my earlier comment pointed out, the ONLY thing that has changed is progress in physical science, while there has not been allowed to develop surpassing, profound paradigm shifting, progress in political science.
The essential reasons for why political science is at a dead end is that it has been manifesting inside of society in which the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories are almost totally dominate. That has been built into the dominate natural languages and philosophy of science. Therefore, our political problems are way, way more profound than most people are even dimly aware of, while almost all of the so-called "solutions" being promoted are still stuck inside of taking for granted the absurdly backwards bullshit world views regarding practically everything.
Our real problems are due to the history of the death controls backing up the debt controls. There are no realistic solutions which can operate outside of that context. Therefore, while the privatization of the public money supply IS the single worst way that ENFORCED FRAUDS control civilization, it continues to be dishonest to assert any bogus "solutions" which are not based upon the underlying ways that money is necessarily measurement backed by murder.
None of the "solutions" still based upon dualities, expressed through false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals, can work, but rather, would backfire badly. Only unitary mechanisms that better understood that better government MUST be better organized crime could enable any better public money supply to be backed by some better public murder system. The systems that exist now are due to the best organized gangsters, the banksters, operating in the real world to achieve their goals. Solutions which are realistic should more realistically face how and why that happened, and then, not promote bogus "solutions" based upon stopping human beings and civilization from continuing to operate as entropic pumps of energy flows.
What is possible is to change paradigms, to perceive things in profoundly different ways, indeed, in ways which are backward to the ways that those are perceived now, because what exists now is actually being perceived by most people as maximally backward to what really exists. Governments are the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals. To change the combined public money/murder systems would actually be changing the best organized and biggest gangs of criminals that were controlling civilization. Any other so-called "solutions" would merely be more of the same old-fashioned bullshit.
In my view, that is the general problem with respect to the articles written by George Washington. Those tend to provide excellent summaries of well-done research. HOWEVER, that continues to tend to stay within the same old-fashioned overall frames of reference, based upon false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals, when it turns to recommending any "solutions."
The deeper levels of the problems we face are how to operate the human murder systems after the development of weapons of mass destruction, because the currently dominate systems are MADNESS: Money As Debt, backed by Mutual Assured Destruction.
Militarism, or the ideology of the murder system, is the supreme ideology, and it deserves to be. However, successful militarism was always based upon deceits, with spies being the most important soldiers, which has driven extremely intense paradoxes that civilization was created by the history of warfare to become based upon backing up lies with violence, which eventually became the established systems of governments ENFORCING FRAUDS by privately controlled banks, which you correctly outlined, Gadfly.
"What we should do" ???
Change the way we think.
THE TRI-STATE MANIFESTO
Excerpted from: "FROM THE ASHES: AMERICA REBORN"
By William W. Johnstone
We believe:
- That freedom, like respect, is earned and must be constantly nurtured and protected from those who would take it away.
- In the right of every law-abiding citizen to protect his or her life, liberty, and personal property by any means at hand without fear of arrest, criminal prosecution, or lawsuit. the right to bear arms is central to maintaining true personal freedom.
- That liberal politicians, theorists, and socialists are the greatest threat to freedom loving Americans and that their misguided efforts have caused grave injustices in the fields of criminal law, education, and public welfare.
Therefore in respect to criminal law; an effective criminal justice system should be guided by these basic tenets:
-our courts should stop pampering criminals.
-the punishment must fit the crime.
-justice must be fair but also be swift and, if necessary, harsh.
-there is no perfect society only a fair one.
Therefore in respect to education; education is the key to solving problems in the society and the lack of it is the root cause of america's decline.
An effective system of education:
-must stress hard discipline along with the arts, sciences, fine music, and basic skills in reading, writing, and mathematics.
-must teach fairness and respect.
-must teach morals, the dignity of labor, and the value of family.
Therefore in respect to welfare; welfare (we prefer workfare) is reserved only for the ederly, infirm, and those who need temporary helping hand and the welfare system must also:
-instill the concept of honest work for honest pay.
-instill the concept that everyone who can work must work and be forced to work if necessary.
-instill the concept that there is no free lunch and that being productive citizens in a free society is the only honorable path to take.
- that racial prejudice and bigotry are intolerable in a free and vital society
-no one is worthy of respect simply because of the color of their skin.
-respect is earned by actions and by deeds, not by birthright.
-there are only two types of people on earth, decent and indecent. those who are decent will florish, those who are not will perish.
-no laws laid down by a body of government can make one person like another.
A free and just society must be protected at all costs even if it means shedding the blood of its citizens. the willingness of citizens to lay down their lives for the belief in freedom is a cornerstone of true democracy; without that willingness the structure os society will surely crumble and fall into the ashes of history.
Therefore:
-along with the inalienable right to bear arms, and the inalienable right to personal protection, a strong skilled, and well-equipped military is essential to maintaining a free society.
-a strong military eliminates the need for "allies," allowing the society to focus on the needs of its citizens.
-the business of citizens is not the business of the world unless the rights of citizens are infringed upon by outside forces.
-the duty of those who live in a free society is clear, personal freedom is not negotiable.
On the Department of Justice it says "WHERE LAW ENDS, TYRANNY BEGINS"
But when the law does not apply equally to all and is used to benefit the rich and powerful you have an even worse form of tyranny - and that is the trend here. Congress exempts itself from its own laws (what ever happened to the Republican 'Promise to America'?) and financial crimes with billions of $$$ made from illegal activities go unpunished or punished with minimal fines (a cheap cost given the profits) while minor crimes garner long prison sentences. Government itself fixes markets now - in concert with the largest firms while the citizenry is robbed directly and indirectly..... 'good behavior' - e.g. SAVING - is punished while 'bad behavior' - price fixing, defaulting on obligations, etc. is rewarded. The small guy is cheated by NO interest on his money and inflation created by government while the big guy has HIS losses made good and profits from BILLIONS in freee or minimal cost funds....
Meanwhile our government itself breaks the law in so many ways........ yet nobody is or prosecuted much less convicted of clear crimes.
There is no real rule of law and people are increasingly realizing it.
Any goverment made by man fails, not an encouraging track record
"Any goverment made by man fails, not an encouraging track record"
Any government made by man THUS FAR fails. Try harder.
It is true that it is not an encouraging track record. However, innovations do not occur after one gives up.
Depends upon how you look at it. I tend toward evolved myself.
DO NOT IGNORE the primacy of force. Organized military/paramilitary units to create and ensure stability are essential. Creating them and the supporting industry to supply them should come right after/at the same time as food production. Food, shelter, clothing, military security. This can be done effectively on small scales; one need not have legions of armored figthing vehicles, and even one squad of infantry has a fair punch when properly employed. Micro industries using computer controlled machinery will have to be the foundations of the supply chain. Such things as the MIT Fab Lab are the wave of future industry, and can as easily supply non military needs as military ones.
I suspect it'll take a lot of people starving for a bit to motivate them before real change happens. Until they are continuously hungry for a while, many will just sit and whine and wait for Da Gubbamint to rescue their lazy asses. Only when it becomes so patently apparent Big Daddy Gov ain't gonna rescue ANYONE, only then will they wake up from their zombi-state and look around.
Before the Godfearing jump down my throat, let me state that I am not anti-religion - it has it's place and if it soothes one's soul, then good for you. But if god/dog really gave a shit about us, he'd have done something long ago and smited/smoted the bad guys. As well as kept good people or young people or innocents from being prematurely or indiscretely killed. So relying upon god to do what needs to be done, instead of doing it ourselves, is a cop out. It's like believing in pre-destiny or fate or bailing out of a bad situation by saying that god made me do it or I couldn't help myself and god will forgive me. The scriptures and books of the bible were written so that they could be interpreted any way you want them to be. But the "secrets" were for the intiated only and they got the real story - kind of like our markets where the sheeple are stuffed into whatever the traders and investment crooks want us to be so they can HTF both sides of the trades with their "secret" knowledge - that the rest of us aren't party to.
So read your bibles and interpret the sacred dice whatever way you want to throw them - but unless there's "fighting in the streets - with our children at our feet, and the morals that they worship will be gone, and the men who spurred us on sit in judgement of all wrong, they decide and the shotgun sings the song…"
So I stack my PMs and gear up with like-minded folks who won't sit idly by clutching bibles and intoning scripture or reading Nostradamus outloud. Our fate is in our own hands. And mine is holding a 1911.
OhBaldOne - Very Christian and get what you are saying. Just as a conversation... EVERY Chistian has that same question! Why would God allow for this kind of crap to happen? If he were so loving, why would he let so much evil take the lead in this world today? God COULD wipe the slate clean. He COULD make it so all is good and great in the world. That's just not his M.O. He created us to be able to choose to love him and do right. Point is, some choose not to, and there ya have it. There must be wrong to be able to see understand what is good.
I pray and read the bible. BUT, I also have stacked PM's/ AR 15/ 9m/ 380/ Fiat/ emergency supplies.
Jesus said; I am the truth, the way, and the life. He didn't say; stick your head in a hole and wait for my return.
Before the Godfearing jump down my throat...But if god…really [cared]…about us, he'd have done something long ago…
But the "secrets" were for the intiated only and they got the real story - kind of like our markets…
I have no desire to jump down your throat, but I’d like the opportunity to jump into the conversation here. Being a bit late to the party, I’ve just been through most of the comments and appreciate the thoughtful responses of most here and will confess what keeps me coming back to the fight is Tyler’s recognition that on a long enough timeline our personal survival rate reaches zero.
That is the block wall we all eventually run into and serves as the quest for virtually every logically minded sane person with enough grey matter to realize its finality. Group exercises to extend human activities on the earth are laudable and should be diligently pursued, but until one is able to come to grips in a realistic, logical and reasoned fashion with one’s own ultimate and personal demise, any such undertaking is eventually reduced to meaninglessness.
I’ve been engulfed with the Chrisitian faith for over 50 years and continue to enjoy the people, their histories and the implications / results of their lives that fill the pages of both testaments and the single God that’s revealed in the pages that constitute the 66 books in our canon of scripture.
Through the decades I have come to realize the basic evilness of man, our never ending deviousness in dealing with our personal guilt and our desperate need to be appreciated. I always laugh when I hear or read someone say “what guilt?” because it’s a dead giveaway their chosen method in denial. Surely one can come up with something a bit more creative.
Anyway, I would contend that if God is who he says He is, I trust He will continue to open the eyes / hearts / minds of any and all He wills to call with or without my efforts. He has invited each of us to share in his will, but in the end, His will won’t be thwarted. As for the contention God isn’t doing enough to control evil, may I point out the difference between God’s active will as opposed to His permissive will.
He did after all allow His only begotten to suffer an unlawful, painful, humiliating and grotesque public death Himself. There’s nothing secret about it.
Jmo.
God helps those who help themselves.
Before the Godfearing jump down my throat, let me state that I am not anti-religion - it has it's place and if it soothes one's soul, then good for you. But if god/dog really gave a shit about us, he'd have done something long ago and smited/smoted the bad guys. As well as kept good people or young people or innocents from being prematurely or indiscretely killed. So relying upon god to do what needs to be done, instead of doing it ourselves, is a cop out. It's like believing in pre-destiny or fate or bailing out of a bad situation by saying that god made me do it or I couldn't help myself and god will forgive me. The scriptures and books of the bible were written so that they could be interpreted any way you want them to be. But the "secrets" were for the intiated only and they got the real story - kind of like our markets where the sheeple are stuffed into whatever the traders and investment crooks want us to be so they can HTF both sides of the trades with their "secret" knowledge - that the rest of us aren't party to.
So read your bibles and interpret the sacred dice whatever way you want to throw them - but unless there's "fighting in the streets - with our children at our feet, and the morals that they worship will be gone, and the men who spurred us on sit in judgement of all wrong, they decide and the shotgun sings the song…"
So I stack my PMs and gear up with like-minded folks who won't sit idly by clutching bibles and intoning scripture or reading Nostradamus outloud. Our fate is in our own hands. And mine is holding a 1911.
I applaud your enthusiasm George. Though I don't share it. I like the Anonymous model. Leaderless, fluid. Voluntaryist. The US has over 50 million "Americans" who count the US as "their" country within the last 10 years. That's a staggering number. They lack any loyalty to the country. Let alone the government. At least we have that much in common. BUT... multigenerational Americans share common values of civil society, rule of law. Regardless of how the United States eventually fractures, whether its civil insurrection, civil war, military dictatorship, seccessionist movements, I'd prefer to live in / move to a community that embraces civil society and rule of law. That means no 3rd Worldlings. Not being a racist, let's keep it real. Somalis, Koreans, Arabs, Russians, Ghanans... whoever... do not come from "countries" that have enjoyed a lengthy tradition of institutional rule of law and civil society. They're tribalist, Confucian, cronyist, nepotist medievalists that were handed modernity on a silver platter without having had the benefit of the methodology becoming socialized into their social norms and values. One reason the globalists are succeeding in spades is their successful erosion of American core values. What do you think this 1% bullshit is all about? Elitism is rooted in fascist ideology and still embraced by the global scumfucks running us into the dirt. I had my sights set on Europe for a while but it's becoming increasingly obvious Europe is about to descent back into the fucking middle ages. I'm pinning my hope on the Pacific Northwest and hope in the ashes of the collapse we can institute republican government based on voluntaryist principles, i.e., the government will operate on principles of voluntaryism alone. All a pipe dream. I know. Stash ammo, cache weapons, small ciricle of trusted and competent friends and family. Flexibility and patience.
What should we do?
Let's see...
Right before the Titanic (or Olympic, or whatever) hit the iceberg, the sheoples were all asleep in their cabins (or playing cards in the Smoking Room), and the PTB on the bridge and lookouts in the crow's nest didn't have any binoculars ('they never saw it coming').
Now that the ship's sinking, it's kind of useless to ask 'what should we do', don't you think?
Even if you CAN swim, you'll freeze to death in the cold water, so the only option for survival is to get to a lifeboat and hope that it launches safely (unless you're locked down in Steerage, in which case you need to make your peace with God).
WELL, 'they' will probably start another war, but using thermonuclear weapons, to cover up the fact that they have lost control AGAIN, so the question is: What CAN you do?
It's far better to choose to die on your feet than live on your knees. The time has come and gone, as far as any substantive remediation of this situation ('you' voted in Bush, Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama...). The same goes for the rest of the 'western world'.
I don't quite understand the question, Mr. Washington.
With all responses opined here so far: Spiritual, analytical, tactical, and pretty off the wall!, we really are looking at a total reset of virtually everything we take for granted today. This is an awful broad topic to be disected, but the first thing that must occur is a functional government "of", not "for" the people. We have no real reserves to back a fiat currency, but that could be rectified by allowing stakeholder incentives to pool pm's as backing.
I will echo some of the other sentiments that Our constitution was written by men inspired by the Lord God. We are not of HIM anymore, and we are truly seeing the beginnings of the Holy Spirit's hand being lifted from this Country. No matter who you are or what you believe, it's divine and it's true. If you don't think it will get much worse? This is only the beginning my friends, and each and every one of us will feel it.
Interesting ZH article to ponder...
We start with a vigorous Convention of States to rid ourselves of the parasites in government and financial markets.
www.conventionofstates.com/
Thru the COS we reinstitute/restructure the DOJ.
Prosecute those crooks who have killed the economy and the middle class.
Clawback tangibles from the crooks to restart the economy.
Dismantle the Federal Reserve, IRS, DOE, etc..
Restructure the entire Federal government and return power to the states.
In addition:
BREAK UP THE MEDIA MONOPOLY INTO MUCH SMALLER PIECES AND THEN JUST MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME HONEST NEWS AND INVESTIGATIONAL REPORTING.
It depends on your degree of paranoia, I guess.
No, we really believe the "religious" stuff. It ties into the economic and is really more important. The question of 'Where are we going?' as man and in your own personal self-interest is very important, obviously.
One thing is clear. Those planners and perps that have brought us to the brink of self destruction will not relinquish their power willingly. They know what they're doing. "THOSE THAT MAKE PEACEFUL REVOLUTION IMPOSSIBLE, MAKE VIOLENT REVOLUTION INEVITABLE"---JFK
"Pick up my guitar and play, just like yesterday, then I'll get on my knees and pray...we don't get fooled again."
Lot of people responded to this washigntons blog article with religious stuff. So is zerohedge really one of the smarter sites on the internet? Or are those disinfo trolls? I doubt anyone who is into stocks and such really believes in that nonsense.
You really are a pathetically narrow minded person. You must be a sad lonley little man.
The answer is religion.
But not the old religions.
A new religion.
Watch this:
https://youtu.be/UJXRBYCJ4W8
or read:
http://anarchiststandard.com/2015/07/the-religion-of-anarchism-a-new-form-for-god/
The answer is not religion! It's Jesus! There is a distinction!
I am ready for what ever the elites throw at me. I have a GOLD bit between my teeth and both my hands around my ankles. I will bite down on my gold bit and hang tight no matter how hard they come at me.
What is coming and what should be done?
The Seventieth Seven is coming. It's like the last minutes of a football game after a prolonged injury time out. We are in the timeout now. You told your wife 10 more minutes and you'll come to dinner. Israel is the timepiece. It begins with a peace treaty, continues with WW and God's wrath, ending with near annilation of man.
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters.[b] And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
Written in typical understated way; they are out of their bodies and happy to be so. These are the believers in the Lord. What shall happen to unbelievers? And the church was taken out of the world well before these things.
Seek the Lord while He maybe found.
The problem still needs to be talked about as most people on here still do not get it. Put simply the problem is that the "parasite is killing the dog" and the solution is to get rid of the parasite. The way to do this is to declare all debt void on the (highly legitimate) basis that the lenders have provided no consideration and then nationalise all the banks as they fail and shift to a public banking system. History shows that if we do this we will thrive. Thomas Jefferson predicted all this 200 years ago.
Yup...... nationalise all the banks...... this is a fundamental.
But how much thin air credit should they be allowed to create ??????
..... and if they're allowed to create thin air credit ....... should they be allowed to create (lease out several times over) other stuff.... hint, answer's NO BTW .....
"Zero Hedge has the smartest readers of just about any site in the world ..." This may be true, but now there are many others who have come to see what the MM is talking about and/or to see what their crazy friends/family/neighbors have been talking about all these years - this is supported by the Comments, most of which I don't read anymore. So, there appears to be readers that are more consistant with the general population of the USA, of course the original crowd is still around but their comments are less freequent.
As to solutions, since OCCUPY, my notion has been "creating self suffieciency for myself and partner while building and sharing with increased radius with great caution".
It was obvious since the 70s that there would be no social programs for my generation and beyond - they published that!! But, the population was generally too busy to bother with actual news and facts. Pretending to be rich became the rage and still corrupts this society.
The air that I breath and the water that I drink are my greatest concerns; the latter can be remidied with effort and cost. The first is really out of my control, as are most of the other issues.