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MS Boosts TSLA Price Target To $465, Days After Underwriting Stock Offering; Sees Tesla Bigger Than Ford And GM

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The last time Morgan Stanley made a mockery of Reg-S, was in February 2014 when a day before Tesla announced a $1.6 billion convertible offering Morgan Stanley's Adam Jonas raised his PT on TSLA from $153 to $320, sending the stock soaring and assuring far less convertible dilution on the day of pricing. Fast forward 1.5 years when Tesla, having burned through most of this cash (in fact it burned over $1 billion in just the first 6 months of the year), Tesla announced it would sell $500 million in a follow-on stock offering (subsequently upsized).

We were modestly surprised that Adam Jonas did not upgrade the stock just before the equity offering as he did last time. We said the following:

And if there is a reason why Morgan Stanley did not upgrade the stock with a $320 price target yesterday as it did back in 2014 the day before it issued a convertible offering for TSLA, is that this time the lead left is Goldman, not MS: "Goldman, Sachs & Co. and Morgan Stanley are acting as lead joint book-running managers for the offering, J.P. Morgan and Deutsche Bank Securities are acting as additional book-running managers for the offering, and BofA Merrill Lynch and Wells Fargo."

Moments ago, however, all our confusion was put to rest when Morgan Stanley did just as expected, only this time it at least followed protocol when it announced it is raising its price target on TSLA from $280 to a whopping $465, or just shy of $61 billion in implied market cap. Incidentally at this price TSLA would be the biggest US automaker, surpassing not only GM's $50bn in market capo, but also Ford's $60 billion.

And just to make sure the joke's not lost on anyone, Jonas decided to port over the traditionally exuberant Elon Mask hyperbole manifesting itself in the user of Greek-prefixes such as mega, giga and hyper, into his own report as follows:

Raising our Tesla price target to $465 from $280 to reflect the potential for Tesla to lead the revolution of the shared mobility public transportation hyper-structure and more confidence around the commercial viability of Tesla Energy. Our new price target of $465 represents the midpoint of our new base ($319) and bull case ($611) valuation to reflect our view that while a mobility app is likely to be announced within 12-18 months, there is a degree of uncertainty as to if, when and how this product unfolds.

Here are the full highlights from the note:

Ten trillion vehicle miles are driven annually. Firms with expertise in autonomous tech and networked machine learning can exploit the inefficiencies in the current model. TSLA may be uniquely positioned to dominate. Our PT rises to reflect its potential to lead the revolution in shared mobility.

 

The race to capture the 10 trillion. Which firms can capture the most miles and at what price? Today, nearly 100% of these miles are delivered by companies practicing a 100-year-old business model of human-driven, privately owned, internal-combustion vehicles. This is fundamentally changing. In fact, the shared mobility model, i.e., shared transport empowered by smart technology, is significantly enhanced by autonomous cars, enabling higher vehicle utilization. Higher utilization overcomes the poor payback economics of electric vehicles (EVs). Reinforcing this is our view that EVs should work better in an autonomous, shared model.

 

'Introducing' Tesla Mobility, an app-based, on-demand mobility service. Given the pace of technological development both within Tesla and at rival technology and mobility companies, we would be surprised if Tesla did not share formalized business plans on shared mobility within the next 12 to 18 months. This could potentially be followed by commercial introduction in 2018, shortly after the launch of the Model 3, which we think could form the backbone of a possible Tesla Mobility 1.0 urban transport PODS (Position on Demand Service) in 2018. We view this business opportunity as potentially additive to Tesla's existing model of selling human-driven cars to private owners and see potential for this model to conceivably more than triple the company's potential revenues by 2029. That is, selling miles in addition to selling cars.

 

Why is Tesla well positioned in Shared Mobility? If Tesla wants to make good on its mission to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable transport, we see the move to a shared mobility model as critical. Tesla has been the most outspoken auto company on the use of autonomous technology to improve inefficiencies and safety of today's road transport. 100% of Tesla's cars are electric, connected, and able to “learn” through overthe- air firmware updates at any time. No other established automaker can claim this today. As we have written for some time, we expect all car companies would eventually see nearly 100% of their revenues shift from the sale of human-driven/individually-owned cars to robot-driven/shared cars. In addition, Tesla is developing a vast proprietary, company-owned charging and service infrastructure – ostensibly to service its current product offering, but well positioned for fleet management in a shared mobility model. These are early days, but it is the view of the Morgan Stanley global auto team that Tesla may be best positioned to advance the state of the art in shared autonomy.

Huh? And how does this affect Tesla?

Why Tesla?

Why now? Tesla is introducing a suite of sensor and software capabilities in the Model X (due next month), which we believe could set a new industry standard for driver-replacement technologies that could eventually find their way into high-utilization shared mobility models. As the market contemplates the capabilities of this product, more attention should turn to the introduction of the Model 3 (expected to unveil in 1Q16, launch in 2017). While the Model 3 is slated to launch as a traditional “I own it, I drive it” vehicle, we  expect a new application could follow within a year. Tesla's pace of capex and R&D spending through 2020 vastly exceeds its current size and production footprint. We have modeled $14bn of combined spending from 2015 through 2020, for only 2 model families (Model S/X and Model 3), 1 assembly factory, and 1 very large battery factory. On a per-unit basis, this level of spending is nearly 10x that of Ford. Taking together the spending levels, technical expertise, and ambitions of the company, we believe investors can reasonably expect the company to be taking its product offering in a new direction. Adding to the sense of urgency that a Tesla Mobility model could perhaps come sooner than later is the acceleration of new tech rivals encroaching in the area of shared, electric, autonomous mobility (SHEAM). We have written extensively on efforts by Google, Apple, and Uber to get in on the action. Tesla is in a battle for talent, capital, first-mover advantage, and cooperation with local governments and municipalities on a variety of mobility initiatives. And Tesla is not alone.

 

How might the market value Tesla Mobility? A hallmark of a great product or service is if it is substantially cheaper or better than the prevailing alternatives. When contemplating a shared autonomy service, we think it can offer consumers both a superior value and experience versus the current model. Our simulations of the unit economics (drawing on our experience from the auto, taxi, and rental car industries) also suggest a potentially profitable, cash-generative business with substantially less cyclicality than the prevailing auto/credit cycle. An autonomous car, efficiently utilized (sharing model) can do a lot of work at a low cost and provide a high return. The shared mobility model should in many ways resemble today's car rental model but would likely be driven by number of miles, revenue/mile fleet, capital costs (leasing/financing), and direct fleet operating expenses (maintenance, electricity, network, fees, etc). Today's mobility models such as car rental and airlines trade at valuations ranging from 12x to 20x earnings. We expect the market could plausibly value Tesla Mobility by making assumptions about Tesla's share of global miles traveled, and revenues and costs (through at least 2025 or 2030), to which it would apply exit valuation assumptions before discounting the forecasted cash flows back at an appropriate discount rate.

In short, another "story" for the Tesla faithful to digest and throw their money at. And why not: the stock is up $12 already and likely will surge even more as insiders and big holders dump into what are inreasingly more desperate atttempts to sucker in the last money into what is clearly becoming nothing but non-GAAP hype.

 

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Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:24 | 6434735 firstdivision
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So we'll put Yellen down for $250MM and Dragi $250MM.  Sorry China, you're out of this one.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:37 | 6434766 Ayr Rand
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Since you choose to use antiquated and nonsensical units such as MM, I will have to assume that MM = millions of millions, i.e., trillions. That's the only way that your statement makes sense. Then Tesla will have enough money to be (finally) self-sustaining.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:43 | 6434778 negative rates
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Hype it up .......bitches.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:54 | 6434807 Winston Churchill
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Mmm. Underwriter was paid in shares,hypes price.

Those fundamentals I understand.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:05 | 6434843 Oh regional Indian
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Every time I feel THE shark has been well and truly jumped, someone jumps a bigger shark....

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:08 | 6434851 firstdivision
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GS offering savings and checking accounts is the ultimate shark.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 09:50 | 6435180 Utah_Get_Me_2
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How many ZHer's have actually seen a Tesla driving on the highway? I think I've seen like 1, maybe.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 09:51 | 6435186 dontgoforit
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Correcto-mundo.  There's one that I know of here where I live.  So, bigger than GM today, smaller than AMC tomorrow.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 18:33 | 6437158 BTFDemocracy
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Seen Teslas all over Europe in the bigger cities- that's in the few months there + all over California. No longer surpises me, kind of like seeing a Porsche.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:06 | 6434846 firstdivision
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nonsensical units applies to nonsenscial money.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:24 | 6434736 Fukushima Fricassee
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May be the government can put the under funded 100 billion in tax confiscations into Tesla storks and fix the fucking pension problem.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:24 | 6434738 Damic
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MS = BS

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:25 | 6434739 indygo55
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What a bunch of BS. Who will buy them when they can't even buy food or pay rent? The 1%? 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:41 | 6434750 Arnold
Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:45 | 6434783 negative rates
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Doesn't matter, they only have to justify making more, and that's how we DOOO it.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:48 | 6434792 BandGap
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Your pension or retirement fund genius. Your municipality, your semi-rich uncle who happens to be hip.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 10:55 | 6435451 rejected
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The same entity that's buying most of GM's production.

I'll let you guess.

Hint---- It uses OPM.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:25 | 6434740 phoolish
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<<autonomous tech and networked machine learning can exploit the inefficiencies in the current model>>

 

Those "inefficiencies" are called FREEDOM.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:45 | 6434784 Oldwood
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Plot a graph of freedoms versus technology. By their math, our death should be absolute freedom. I am not a Luddite, but i do think we should be educated enough to at least understand the technology we are dependent on. A sustainable society cannot be based on "magic".

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:55 | 6434809 ugmug
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So if the government wants to get rid of you all it has to do is instruct the 'Uber Tesla Robotic Car' to have a 'catastrophic malfunction'......

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:25 | 6434741 StopBeingParanoid
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> Oil at the lowest since 6 years
> Tesla to become the bigget US automaker

pick one.

 

However, here's the bull case: Uber CEO announced the intention to buy 500,000 self-driving cars if Tesla can actually make them; smaller but still pretty big orders could come from Uber copycats all over the world. Moreover, the upcoming model X seems to be an announced blockbuster.
All this vanishes if Audi, Mercedes-Benz and Google (and maybe even Apple) can manage to pull out similar product in similar timeframes.

Place your bets gentlemen.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:31 | 6434755 Arnold
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Wow. Minds think alike, not just great minds apparently.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:32 | 6434757 Oldwood
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Betting in twenty years no one will be able to afford owning ANYTHING. Waiting on the curb for a ride to our robot repair job, as mandated by Big Gov.

The only "owners" will be the government, everyone will be renters....and servants.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:39 | 6434771 ToSoft4Truth
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20 years is a long time.  Work a plan. 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:49 | 6434799 negative rates
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That road seems to long,  we should shorten it, somehow, think about it, but don't take too long cause time is money.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:53 | 6434803 Oldwood
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The only survivable plan is to remove one's self from the matrix. Neither pleasant or guaranteed of any quality of life. I already own all that I need, but ownership is what makes us a target. Taxation and regulation will squeeze us till ownership will no longer be a viable choice, as will living on acreage or driving any distance to work. We will all be Chinese in the end.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:05 | 6434844 negative rates
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I caution you to do all the "what ifs", you and yours lives, could depend on it.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:46 | 6434787 negative rates
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I'm placing my bet on this gvt having failed it's citizens for GENERATIONS, and this is an extension of that.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:43 | 6434948 cwsuisse
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YES! It would be quite naive to assume that other car manufacturers could not put a similar cars on the wheels and sell it at a lower price / higher profit than TESLA. I believe that Mercedes-Benz is quite advanced and is even currently field-testing an autonomous truck. The general strategy by the car makers to enhance cars in tiny steps is confronted by TESLA with an opposite strategy. The customers are used to the tiny steps. So far the sales results of TESLA do not provide any evidence that the TESLA strategy is winning. 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:26 | 6434742 Infinite QE
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Is MS a division of GS yet?

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:28 | 6434746 yogibear
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LOL, someone has a lot of stock and now want to dump. So they issue a buy.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:29 | 6434749 Oldwood
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So is Tesla going to become a taxi company, or are all the Tesla drivers going to voluntarily become taxi drivers?

Just seems to me that every "growth" theme is premised on NO growth. People can't afford to own and drive their own cars in the future?

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:31 | 6434754 Caleb Abell
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"People can't afford to own and drive their own cars in the future?"

 

Bingo!

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:33 | 6434912 Government need...
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When a politician sees a mob coming, he best get it front of it and call it a parade!  Sure, cars are unaffordable.  But you forget the need to 'keep us safe' and 'save the environment'.  We all know the economy is gonna blow.  Why not increase the population control by restriciting drivers?  This would readily explain away the fact that so few can afford cars. . .Problem SOLVED!

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:55 | 6434812 negative rates
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That's  why there is a missing link in the transportation system, a high speed rail, pipeline,  and widend RR were required to prevent American citizens from DRIVING themselves crazy, it's too late now, but that's where the gold is hid, so I say to Americans, good luck washington ......bitches. 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:32 | 6434752 Caleb Abell
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Wonderful news.  Computer driven electric cars will not only reduce air pollution and increase the efficiency of the automobile itself, but if the software is provided by Microsoft, they will also go a long way to solving the overpopulation problem.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:33 | 6434759 Uchtdorf
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All this while losing $4000 on every car they produce.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:58 | 6434821 negative rates
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That's only debt on a piece of paper, the money was made at the register and converted into dry powder to be invested in, energy infrustructure of course.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:00 | 6434833 Normalcy Bias
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Yeah, but they'll make it up on volume, silly! It's the new common core math, I believe.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:06 | 6434847 ncdirtdigger
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It's the Amazon business model, they plan to make that up on volume!

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 20:11 | 6437417 johnconnor
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don't you worry, Tesla will make up the losses by increasing production volume

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:33 | 6434760 booboo
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Halon is expensive

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:35 | 6434764 quasi_verbatim
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Shouldn't that read 'impaled market cap'?

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:38 | 6434767 Oldwood
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Many of us are concerned about the growing FSA dependence on government, while eagerly being absorbed into the Borg. When we are dependent on multiple layers of systems that few if any understand, how can we speak of freedom?

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:21 | 6434888 shovelhead
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Who's got time to talk about freedom when you're busy trying to turn that EBT money into methamphetamine?

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:39 | 6434769 Latitude25
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Sounds like Tesla is branching out into the rental car business.  How unusual.  What a technological innovation!

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 11:34 | 6435605 Anopheles
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They already tried governemnt sales but didn't get very far. 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:45 | 6434772 juicy_bananas
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"But how can you control matter?" he burst out. "You don't even control the climate or the law of gravity. And there are disease, -"

O'Brien silenced him by a movement of the hand. "We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull. You will learn by degrees, Winston. There is nothing that we could not do. Invisibility, levitation-anything. I could float off this floor like a soap bubble if I wished to. I do not wish to, because the Party does not wish it. You must get rid of those nineteenth century ideas about the laws of nature. We make the laws of nature."

-1984

 

Elon reinvented the wheel because we said so!

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:01 | 6434836 negative rates
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And who are we REALLY? Just people who go to war over our false beliefs, then socialize the losses and privatize the profits, that's who WE are, arn't you a proud patriotic citizen now?? 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:47 | 6434789 Lanka
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All those big banks are in on the "book-running" deal (appropriately named) so as to collude and maximize their fees. They simply pomote (i.e. pimping) the crap paper to the government employees' pension funds and 401ks; if they can't unload it all, the FED lends a helping hand.  All worthy of RICO racketeering charges.   

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 07:48 | 6434790 Jack Daniels Esq
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Musk, Obama - African douchebags - are gonna rip USA a new asshole

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:00 | 6434832 cheech_wizard
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>Raising our Tesla price target to $465 from $280 to reflect the potential for Tesla to lead the revolution of the shared mobility public transportation hyper-structure and more confidence around the commercial viability of Tesla Energy. Our new price target of $465 represents the midpoint of our new base ($319) and bull case ($611) valuation to reflect our view that while a mobility app is likely to be announced within 12-18 months, there is a degree of uncertainty as to if, when and how this product unfolds.

 

Seriously, WTF did I just read?

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:14 | 6434871 shovelhead
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Bullish buy signal.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 10:32 | 6435349 Arnold
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Segway?............Segway?.............Segway?????????????

 

 

Anybody?........Anybody?......................

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 11:33 | 6435601 Anopheles
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Remember when the Segway was first introduced?   "Analysis" and company reps were falling over themselves telling us how Segway would "change the world". 

We're still waiting. 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 11:46 | 6435657 Montani Semper ...
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 If I ever come into a substantial windfall like winning the lottery, the first purchase I'd make is a Seqway.

 Can't wait to be "Ridin' White and Nerdy".

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:08 | 6434855 buzzsaw99
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aapl is (probably) bigger than the entire world auto industry. how funny is that?

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:10 | 6434858 JD59
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These anal yst are smoking crack cocain. You couldn't pay me to drive one of these POC.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:12 | 6434864 who cares
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More food for the cickens.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:12 | 6434865 shovelhead
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"Tesla- Make our hunk of burnin' love yours."

It's all in the marketing.

Trust me.

'hunka hunka burnin' love' goes to fadeout.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:18 | 6434876 nakki
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Perhaps it will be the Uber/Tesla Clown Car that gets this stocks valuation to 100 billion. It will be the size of a Prius with the ability to hold 20.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:19 | 6434885 CHC
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The most since Lehman...my mind is completely boggled. 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:20 | 6434887 blown income
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>Raising our Tesla price target to $465 from $280 to reflect the potential for Tesla to lead the revolution of the shared mobility public transportation hyper-structure and more confidence around the commercial viability of Tesla Energy. Our new price target of $465 represents the midpoint of our new base ($319) and bull case ($611) valuation to reflect our view that while a mobility app is likely to be announced within 12-18 months, there is a degree of uncertainty as to if, when and how this product unfolds.

 

Seriously, WTF did I just read?

 

 

Bullshit ....

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:30 | 6434906 Oldwood
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Without jobs to go to and money to spend, where the fuck are we going? Does anyone really think we can ALL live off of asset inflation?

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:22 | 6434891 buzzsaw99
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the driver's seat oozes marinade.

the ghouls all came from their humble abodes to get a bite of my tender bbq'ed ass...

 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:27 | 6434900 henry chucho
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45 years after we were walking around on the moon,and ready to explore the universe,we have seen what the Central Planners next "giant leap for mankind" is,namely,a car that drives itself..

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:30 | 6434909 Government need...
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The members on that equity "reseach" team may have reserved their spots on the scaffold with this one!

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:36 | 6434921 cwsuisse
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There are very many interesting aspects about the business model of Tesla and it is certainly a good platform to milk governments. With regard to customer satisfaction I am sceptical. Particularly as regards Tesla mobility. Many people spend a lot of money on the horse they ride but there are only few people that are willing to spend money on a horse that rides them. 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:39 | 6434932 nakki
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It sounds like the "crack" research team at Morgan Stanley had a three day bender using those spitballing straws for something else. 

 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:42 | 6434943 Atomizer
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Who is backloading TESLA infrastructure to provide electric service stations to refuel automobile? 

Taxpayer or dumbfuck investors? 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 11:39 | 6435627 Anopheles
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Both.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 08:59 | 6435009 zipit
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TSLA has topped 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 09:10 | 6435042 GRDguy
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TSLA - Our cost is high; our price is low; how we stay in business? We lucky!

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 11:49 | 6435593 Anopheles
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How?  Huge government subsidies and new stock placements every quarter. 

 

The "subsidies" are in the form or incentives, tax exemptions and rebates at the retail level, not direct company subsidies. 

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 09:46 | 6435158 Dickweed Wang
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Today, nearly 100% of these miles are delivered by companies practicing a 100-year-old business model of human-driven, privately owned, internal-combustion vehicles.

And if TESLA thinks this paradigm is going to change NATURALLY any time soon (i.e. in our life time) they are dreaming.  The only way it will change as TESLA hopes is if .gov forces the change.

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 10:51 | 6435431 rejected
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They force everything and we comply,,, why not this?

(baaaaa aaaa aaa)

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 10:54 | 6435446 Hope Copy
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Think F-35...

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 11:06 | 6435497 fowlerja
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Sounds like Morgan Stanley is taking a page out of the Goldman Sachs playbook...they need to dump alot of Telsa stock for clients...what better way than to try to sell your "fixer up" house for premium dollars...

Mon, 08/17/2015 - 11:47 | 6435622 Anopheles
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How many limited range, $100k cars can they sell? 

 

I'd consider Tesla a "winner" if they produced a solid, reliable $25k car.  

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