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Immigration - Issue Of The Century
Submitted by Patrick Buchanan via Buchanan.org,
“Trump’s immigration proposals are as dangerous as they are stunning,” railed amnesty activist Frank Sharry.
“Trump ... promises to rescind protections for Dreamers and deport them. He wants to redefine the constitutional definition of U.S. citizenship as codified by the 14th Amendment. He plans to impose a moratorium on legal immigration.”
While Sharry is a bit hysterical, he is not entirely wrong.
For the six-page policy paper, to secure America’s border and send back aliens here illegally, released by Trump last weekend, is the toughest, most comprehensive, stunning immigration proposal of the election cycle.
The Trump folks were aided by people around Sen. Jeff Sessions who says Trump’s plan “reestablishes the principle that America’s immigration laws should serve the interests of its own citizens.”
The issue is joined, the battle lines are drawn, and the GOP will debate and may decide which way America shall go. And the basic issues — how to secure our borders, whether to repatriate the millions here illegally, whether to declare a moratorium on immigration into the USA — are part of a greater question.
Will the West endure, or disappear by the century’s end as another lost civilization? Mass immigration, if it continues, will be more decisive in deciding the fate of the West than Islamist terrorism. For the world is invading the West.
A wild exaggeration? Consider.
Monday’s Washington Post had a front-page story on an “escalating rash of violent attacks against refugees,” in Germany, including arson attacks on refugee centers and physical assaults.
Burled in the story was an astonishing statistic. Germany, which took in 174,000 asylum seekers last year, is on schedule to take in 500,000 this year. Yet Germany is smaller than Montana.
How long can a geographically limited and crowded German nation, already experiencing ugly racial conflict, take in half a million Third World people every year without tearing itself apart, and changing the character of the nation forever?
Do we think the riots and racial wars will stop if more come?
And these refugees, asylum seekers and illegal immigrants are not going to stop coming to Europe. For they are being driven across the Med by wars in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen, by the horrific conditions in Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia and Sudan, by the Islamist terrorism of the Mideast and the abject poverty of the sub-Sahara.
According to the U.N., Africa had 1.1 billion people by 2013, will double that to 2.4 billion by 2050, and double that to 4.2 billion by 2100.
How many of these billions dream of coming to Europe? When and why will they stop coming? How many can Europe absorb without going bankrupt and changing the continent forever?
Does Europe have the toughness to seal its borders and send back the intruders? Or is Europe so morally paralyzed it has become what Jean Raspail mocked in “The Camp of the Saints”?
The blazing issue in Britain and France is the thousands of Arab and African asylum seekers clustered about Calais to traverse the Eurotunnel to Dover. The Brits are on fire. Millions want out of the EU. They want to remain who they are.
Each week we read of boats sinking in the Med with hundreds of refugees drowning. Yet many, many more make it to the Greek and Italian islands, and thence north to Germany and Scandinavia and the welfare states of Western Europe. Once they step onto EU soil, they are in.
This unending invasion has called into existence anti-immigrant and anti-EU parties in almost every country in Europe. Few of these parties existed at the turn of the century. How does this all end?
“Humankind cannot bear very much reality,” wrote T. S. Eliot.
Is the West still blind to reality, to the inevitable future that awaits if the West does not secure its frontiers and close its borders to mass immigration?
Peoples of European descent, everywhere they live, have birth rates below replacement levels. Yet, most live in the world’s most desirable neighborhoods.
The great and growing populations of mankind are in the Third World. Countless millions are determined to come to the West, legally if they can, illegally if they must. And the more who succeed, the more who come.
Either Western nations take tough measures to secure their borders, or the Western nations will be swamped. The character of their countries will be altered forever, and smaller countries will become unrecognizable. And as this is happening, ethnic and racial clashes will become more common, as they are now becoming across Europe.
“The principle that America’s immigration laws should serve the interests of its own citizens” is paramount, said Sen. Sessions.
Sessions is right. America is our home. We decide who comes in and who does not, how large the American family becomes, whom we adopt and whence they come. It has become the issue of 2016.
Indeed, it is the issue of the 21st century.
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fantastic piece, and so right. Demograpics is destiny people.....
Deport a Kenyan!
Eliminate the entitlement state and the issue goes away. If the entitlement state is gone we will only get people who want to work hard, and we want them here, from every nation.
Teh only thing northern Europeans contributed to USA was Beethoven, Handel and Bach. It's really been teh southern Europeans to do all teh real lifting....
Looks like FoneStar/RUGay2/WaylonBits has a new handle.
Why does everyone junk we? Only speak the truth, it is true... southern Europeans better work ethics and quality. Especially the Cathars.
Sockpuppet much?
Yeah... Like the "work ethic" in Greece and Spain. LOL!!
Yep... worked on a farm before and it's back breaking work, olives & vines. Much rather be sipping lattes in Brussels issuing dictats...
Better to work in a farm than as yet another corporate bureaucrat. At least the work is honest.
A former "nation of immigrants" screened at Ellis Island, admitted in an orderly manner and tempered by the freedom to fail.
It's fun watching the New York media choke on this issue.
They are blind and deaf, and don't have a clue about the rest of the nation.
It's fun watching the New York media choke on this issue.
It's not the "issue of the century". The media want to concentrate the masses on the phony "election" and make them think their vote for either chosen sociopath will actually give them a chance to improve their lives. It will not.
The issue of the century is regaining human liberty from the grasp of the sociopathic "leaders", 0.01%, and EVERYONE WHO SERVES THEM. But encouraging "illegal" "immigration" will certainly focus the "voters" until the election.
Panem et circuses. And, Divide and Conquer.
But most importantly, CUI BONO?
Shut up and give us half of what you produce, plus your children, or else. We can do whatever violence and terrorism we want, but if YOU even discuss doing violence we will do violence on you.
Got it?
So the slaves on the US plantation are being whipped up into a frenzy and are whining about slaves coming in from other plantations and are groveling to their masters to do something about it. How about doing away with the slave mentality and the fucking plantation altogether ass wipes!
You are correct.
The issue of this century is the same as the last's: Jewish Communism. Pat Buchanan knows this to be true.
Thanx, SWR.., it is Wall Street who creates this problem, now Wall Street focusing on it to the exclusion of their mother of all bubbles, the credit derivatives bubble, soon to burst!
Hola amigo. Su casa, Mi casa.
I believe that it's now hola gringo since the Spanish speaking illegals are quickly becoming the majority population.
So the old fart Uncle Sam I am speaks spanish now? Diversifying his property tax collecting bidness. Hot damn son-of-a-bitch!
"For the world is invading the West."
Historical irony very much seems lost on the author.
Is that African man eating that white baby in your avatar?
Go take your medication.
Come on, EML, that was fuckin hilarious!!
The irony about White Supremacists is that you mouthbreathing, drooling inbreds represent an unwanted minority of the least intelligent, the least educated and the least cultured among the "whites".
According to your own dogma, that makes you an inferior subgroup that the rest of us should prevent from breeding. Chemical castration programs come to mind.
You're becoming a parody of the all you represent.
In a cesspool of right-wing nutjobs as this, what constitutes "normal"? Procreating with female family members? Advocating the genocide of minorities? Romanticizing the Third Reich while systematically denying its crimes against humanity?
Not much surprises me here. Several of these individuals are psychological case studies in the ignorance, depravity and mindless hate that human beings can sink to.
Sounds like somebody needs some grape drank.
Heheh. A part of me enjoys taking on far-right, White Supremacist filth. Otherwise, a person of my views or background wouldn't make an account for commenting on this site. Know what you are dealing with.
I'm here to stay.
"I'm here to stay." very well, then...enjoy your visit in the torture chamber.
EML, your simple-mindedness and sentimentality are down-right precious. consider if you will the concept of 'supremacism'. have you ever thought about the ethotic forces necessary for a society/culture/people to become such in the first place? if not, allow janus to aide in your advance.
you see, EML, certain beliefs and understandings must be held in common for a society/culture/people to develop; and though i don't want to scramble the sophistry saturated froth sloshing around in your tiny brain, it is sometimes necessary to force mush-minds through a logical heuristic. would it surprise you to learn that EVERY culture has some variant of 'supremacism' at its core -- whether they be savage bantus scaring-up game in the bush or scandanavians tinkering with semiconductors? 'supremacism' is the very germ of a society; without this as the cementing creed binding all to the 'common good', there is little to no cohesion. 'us' vs. 'them' is primordial within our species, with 'us' being 'good' (superior) and 'them' being 'bad' (inferior). and so this indictment you level at western whites should be applied in the broadest possible sense -- ecumenically; and one could therefore conclude that you are elementally misanthropic.
ironic, isn't it? in your misguided do-goodery, you've settled into a position of contempt for the entire species of man...and that is the end of all do-goodery. mankind is anathema to you pukes...and whether it's the crime of heating our homes or pumping petrol in our cars or consuming delicious protein, the result is always the same. humanity=evil.
here's where i think your real problem lies. western white supremacism is demonstrably 'supreme' (at least, within the current paradigm...if, say, the world were to return to a savage land of hunter/gatherers, then the bantus will again reign supreme). i certainly recognize that that statement rankles your contorted conception of morality; and that begs the question of whether or not your conception of morality is valid. i say it isn't. it's idiotic bolshevik nonsense.
but, sure, i extend to you the right to teach and believe whatsoever you will. if, for example, you'd prefer to raise your children to believe that they are no better than a bantu; well, my friend, you should expect that they will not rise above the expectations you set. however, i'd prefer if you vote with your feet and move yourself and your family into their swarthy swarm and not insist that every person the world over indulge your platitudinous drivel. please do be our guest and show us the way. make of yourself a moral paragon to which we should aspire, and shed the light of your univeralism abroad in whatever hovel you choose to exercise your misguided evangelism.
that being said, i don't think anyone is negating the crimes of certain european regimes; it is more a question of whether or not these crimes were ever committed; and if they were, to what degree? i, for one, find it difficult to believe that 6 million ghettoites were killed when there weren't even 6 million of this particular ethnicity in europe at the time...and then to have another 6 million 'survivors'? i know that math is tough for bolsheviks, but some of us require it. now, as to crimes against humanity, there is another ideology that's gotten a pass. because of it, more than 100 million (proven) have perished because, of course, humanity=evil...ipso facto, the less humanity, the less evil. 9 million dead kulaks because 'collectivism' was a greater imperative than the right to exist. 60 million dead for a great leap forward. 50 million dead from purges. read some Solzhenitsyn (gulag archipeligo would be a good start).
rot in hell, reds.
western christendom is demonstrably superior; it has been a force for good in the world; we have been the guardians and stewards of this planet and 'true' progress for milenuim; and it is a tradition of which i'm proud to belong, and i undertake my responsibilities withal with a sense of duty.
at your service,
janus pubicus
So you are an advocate for eugenics, are you? You first, fuckwit.
Sounds like NYU is on summer break...go have a beer. Anyway, this is not about white supremacy.ihttps://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.support.tinnitus/y942AFMIGFg Most immigrants of the 1800s and early 1900s had a common background
in Western tradition. Whether they came from Ireland, Germany, Poland,
Sweden, Italy, Russia, Czechoslovakia or England, immigrants shared
certain basic principles and attitudes. America's "e pluribus unum"
(one from many) developed because the majority of immigrants did have
the same basic philosophical, moral and cultural common denominators.
They did not, however, share an economic safety net. There was no
welfare system except what was offered by charitable institutions or
churches.
Economic progress depended on how smart, how flexible and how quickly
the immigrant could adapt to "American ways."
Most of all it depended on how willing they were to work and how best
they might make use of their opportunities. The best of them also had
to be willing to take big risks. In any event playwright Bertoldt Brecht captured what is taking place in the West with mass migration, for that is what it is, in The Solution he writes: After the uprising of the 17th June
The Secretary of the Writers Union
Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?
Bertolt Brecht The elite are in the process of electing another people..compliant serfs who work cheap, and prefer the STATE as momma, daddy and friend. We are the Roman Empire and on the way to the new dark ages courtesy of the poers that be and their tools like high horse Eric M. Been wondering Eric, if you get nose bleeds from sitting on that high horse time after time.
Probably gonna rape it then put it in the microwave. You know, like they do in South Africa.
Nah, he's taking it to an Ikea so he can behead it with one of the knives they sell.
Not to mention this was before the creation of a taxpayer funded welfare state. Immigrants were either self sufficient or they starved.
Bringing up Welfare and immigration is simply a way for the rich to distract the poor and to blame them for their own plight. It's akin to pissing on someone's head and telling him that it's raining. Of course, that is forming the basis of the upcoming presidential election.
The political demagogues are coming out in full force and claiming to offer the solutions to everyone's problems.
They offer only confusion and misdirection. Both elements are what enable the super wealthy to remain in power and to continue the immense theft.
The only true way to untangle this destructive closed-loop economic system is to decentralize all power structures. Start by dismantling the banks and the Federal Reserve. They are the levers that control government and the economy as a whole.
And, in the mean time, how many millions, legally and illegally, pour into the country every year?
There is really not a problem with immigration in Europe if countries follow the French model of assimilation.
As for numbers, just send them to Ireland. Ireland can easily be assimilated by several million immigrants.
"Dreams Come Due: Government and Economics as if Freedom Mattered," by John Galt, ISBN: 0-671-61159-3, Simon & Schuster, 1986
This will be settled soon, at the ballot box,
or on the battlefield.
I read a comic book when I was a kid. Premise was this woman occupying an apartment was to become queen of the cockroaches in that building. She accepted her position and all the cockroaches flooded from the other apartments up the wall outside to hers. Obama is the "queen of the cockroaches," America is the apartment building, and the "immigrants" are the cockroaches. The west is screwed.
Debt, deflation, depopulation, depression…these are the depressing realities we now face.
The linked article shows why the attempt to bridge declining consumption with perpetually greater debt is simply impossible to succeed…please see the massively declining young populations (0-14yr/old…some up to 40% below peak levels!!!) among advanced and even BRICS nations only being offset by unrepayable debt.
http://econimica.blogspot.com/2015/08/young-vs-debtthe-young-never-had-chance.html
It comes down to a debate if importing economic growth via immigration is a viable option any longer? Do the immigrants have a net positive impact any longer and at what cost / benefit for the native populations (and who among that native population benefit and who suffers)?
Who suffers? We all suffer. Even the immigrants suffer and the suffering will get worse.
Subsidized US big Ag corn put a lot of Mexican farmers out of business via NAFTA.
Complex topic.
The US (and global) Ponzi economy began to break down when advanced and many developing core populations growth rates slowed and debt was substituted for the slowing demand growth...but SHTF when these core populations went outright negative in '07 for the US and debt creation and leverage off the charts (below)...
http://econimica.blogspot.com/2015/07/global-us-population-growth-and.html
Importing consumers and cheap labor from abroad while depressing wages of the native population is the debate...and the economic upside of illegal spending and the deficit spending on them at hospitals, stores, apartments and housing, etc. that would otherwise be significantly lower (benefitting business at the expense of national deficit). Of course, deficit spending is what keeps the Ponzi afloat...the deficit spending is goosing present earnings for so many companies including WMT, etc. etc. Any adjustment to our policies (regardless right or wrong) will be really painful.
If importing over 60 million 3rd world immigrants was an economic bonanza then why is the US swimming in a toxic debt cesspool?
Obviously, the meme that immigrants will boost the economic cornucopia is flat out wrong.
It's really quite simple: Welfare State OR Open Borders -- pick one, you cannot have BOTH!
All it does is help hold wages flat (aka inflation). If wages rose, inflation would rise and it would be game over for the .fed and elites. Too much debt to raise rates. Once you understand this, you understand the importance this group has on the elites holding powerj...and what they are offering them to 'come on over'.
The end is nigh. Be ready.
We may need boots on the ground pounders in the near future, also many statistics show that immigrants actually bolster social security coffers.
London is already lost. It is a foreign country. The rest of England will follow in a few decades.
Luton and Bradford were lost decades ago.london is just catching up.
Well, East London probably went around the same time as Luton, Bradford and Leeds, it's the rest of Greater London that is now lost. Muslims call it Londonistan.
Lots of Turks were in the east end,jews in Golders Green, Greeks up the road.Poles in
Willesden.London has always been multi cultural.Its assimilation, not immigration thats
the issue.
It's the pressure to assimilate provided by the native-born majority that causes the immigrants to assimilate. When the immigrants become the majority, they no longer feel pressured to fit in. Immigration is the issue.
Yeah, I remember when you could find actual English people in London, including East London. The East London accent has disappeared now, replaced with a kind of urban accent that's a mix of West Indian, Asian and East European. Before there were enough English people to keep the accent going even with quite a few immigrants. That's just no longer true. The critical mass of foreigners has been reached and means English culture is dying.
It is like they want the USA, Canada, UK, and EU to be just like New Jersey.
That is something to get mad about.
Damn sure you don't want Chris Christy as President approving sale of our concessions to mafia, foreigners, or whoever.
Highways, bridges, utilities, garbage collection, waste management.
The English are garbage and deserve the worst possible fate. However, mainland Europe and the U.S. do not deserve this flood of subhumans and the associated murder, rape, crimes and degeneracy.
"a flood of subhumans and the associated murder, rape, crimes and degeneracy" is how many Native Americans would describe the arrival of your forebears in the Americas.
I do not blame them.
Well, at least the undocumented asians fought back for over 400 years. The current crop of natives, not so much.
As history has shown and is showing, when the invading minority becomes the invading majority the natives soon suffer the consequences of genocide.
How long before whites in the Nordic countries will have their heads lopped off for being infidels.
Can we count the lady at the Ikea as the beginning of the end of the Nordic white race?
I see Anglophobia is still alive in the land of the free. Ironically, most of the people who want to live in England are also very Anglophobic. They are here only for our money. I don't think the English are garbage, they definitely are too nice for their own good, everyone takes advantage of them, and they really are stupid to put up with such a huge, unwanted invasion, especially after they fought so hard to stop the Germans coming here.
stop paying them, and they will not come
Its really THAT simple.
It might be better, instead of spending money on welfare services in Europe for hordes of illegally-arrived immigrants, to spend the money solving problems in the countries the refugees are coming from.
A good first step would be to demilitarize American foreign policy, which has already created enormous human suffering and uncountable numbers of refugees.
Don't send troops to the Third World. It doesn't help anyone, and, in fact, produces the very terrorists we claim to be fighting. Send doctors, send agronomists, send experts in small power generation and potable water systems, and so on. It will prove cheaper in the long run than building fences and cages, and we will come out of this Fourth Turning more fully human.
PEACE? There's just not enough Munny in it!
Based on market tops, the moment it becomes accepted that a particular asset is more valuable than any other (US Passport for example) is just about the peak.
So assume that if/when the US builds a wall it will eventually end up being used to keep their own citizens from getting the fuck outa Dodge...
Let's build the wall already. I would leave on a plane anyway. If you plan to walk to mexico you are brain dead. The mexicans won't put up with a bunch of gringos crossing the border. They will shoot you with the guns our govt. provided with the fast and furious program.
i sent a letter to obola suggesting a simpler approach to sealing our rio grande borders with mexico...buy crocodiles, alligators, sharks and pirhana and stock the rio grande with them. needless to say i was just audited by the irs
If every immigrant came here with billions to invest and spend, we would openly ask for moar immigrants.
...and if my grandma had a wingwong she'd be my grandpa. Your point?
its called Direct Foreign Investment and every state has generous tax incentives to entice them.
With the Fed doing what it's doing, every immigrant may soon indeed have billions to invest and spend. But there won't be too many of them when that happens.
Immigrants come into white nations without even being literate in their native language. They carry diseases that white people wiped out 100 years ago. They are violent savages that mug, rape, and murder their way across entire continents. They bring nothing but crime, ignorance, and life long financial dependency.
Visit any inner city black American neighborhood and tell me I'm wrong. Visit anywhere in Europe and see what the "immigrants" are doing and tell me I'm wrong.
This is literally do or die for Western civilization. Do you want to continue to exist or not?
Western civilization is already dead.
3rd world maggots and blowflies are just the end result of the corpse being consumed.
Sanctuary state of Texas should just go ahead and change it's welcome signs to Welcome to Mexico or Welcome To South America or Middle East.
We have an open immigration policy because TPTB know they can't build an empire without cannon fodder. Right now, we don't have as big a population as China and can't create one via domestic sources alone so they encourage immigration.
Rise up, Americans. It's time to start fighting back. The world doesn't need our Empire any more, time to throw the bastards out and go back to being just another country.
Good idea. Start by shutting down all military bases in foreign countries.
Hmm, we could just Annex Mexico/Central America...
“Trump ... promises to rescind protections for Dreamers and deport them. He wants to redefine the constitutional definition of U.S. citizenship as codified by the 14th Amendment. He plans to impose a moratorium on legal immigration.”
Hey Donald, how was one considered a Citizen of the "United States" prior to the 14th amendment? Do such Citizens exist today? That might have something to do with the immigration controversy. The 14th is a form of slave citizenship. That surely wasn't taigjt to me in civics class.
The article states the issue quite well, but I fear we are going to lose. Too many are politicians and politically correct and too few are real americans. My great grandchildren will not even understand what america was when I grew up and I don't mean the technology.
End all Social Programs and watch how fast they all run for the other side of the boarder.
That, and the ability to find employment anywhere in the US.
White man you are lost. Lost because you is so gullible as to think that 'other peoples' is like you. They is not like us Whites. In fact ever one of those monkeys are always looking for a way to get over on you. On me too. Every White street kid in our country knows this. Why is it that you don't know the same? WTF? Has your education actually made you that stupid? Yeah I think so.
Fuck you anyway. I'll stay to the minority that has enough heart to defend themselves.
The Race Card will keep immigration running hot.
trump summed it up & chuck todd had zero answer for:
"chuck, we either have a country, or we don't"
i had no fucking clue what a sanctuary city was before kate was killed by a fucking guy who was kicked-out of the country several times & muliple time felony convict. ive done a little research to find my state (NJ) has several.
if it weren't for zerohedge, i would have had no clue there are hospitals that specialize in bringing in pregnant chinese women to get their kids a U.S. passport & then bounce.
another credit to ZH, it was this site that blew the whistle on 'el chapos' pregnant wife came here to give birth, get their kid a U.S. passport, and then bounce.
i still have yet to see anyone make a clear arguement as to how this helps us. according to the left, everyone who comes here from mexico does so to start a business and hires 50+ people.
$19 trillion debt & going up. to my knowledge, people are not coming here to lower that statistic thru the programs they are seeking to leech onto.
The western countries are experiencing immigration issues and as you describe, it has overwhelmingly negative consequences. Almost as if by plan......
Hmm, so yer NOT a fan of the Cloward-Piven strategy then?
Partly Related I'd Guess:
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2014 HHS Payments to States for Child Support Enforcement
and Family Support Programs Outlays = $4.112 Billion
2013 HHS Child support enforcement = $4.066 Billion
2012 HHS Child support enforcement = $3.957 Billion
2011 HHS Child support enforcement = $4.182 Billion
2010 HHS Child support enforcement = $4.423 Billion
2009 HHS Child support enforcement = $4.352 Billion
2008 HHS Child support enforcement = $4.283 Billion
2007 HHS Child support enforcement = $4.238 Billion
2000 HHS Child support enforcement = $2.906 Billion
2014 HHS Refugee & Entrant Assistance outlays = $1.278 Billion
2013 HHS Refugee & Entrant Assistance outlays = $997 Million
2007 HHS Refugee & Entrant Assistance outlays = $509 Million
2000 HHS Refugee & Entrant Assistance outlays = $383 Million
A billion dollars is a lot of assistance going on.
Q: Who set this up, the President and the Political Appointee Class. Yeah, and Congress has the Power of the Budget proving that it is Bipartisan and really a "One Party" system.
Trump doesn't give a fuck about immigration, he likes the cheap labor just like anybody else who builds stuff for a living. Trump is a distraction who, if he were selected, would do the same thing as any other politician on immigration....... absolutely nothing. The fact is TPTB want to blur the lines between nations. The mistrust of one's neighbor and the infighting amongst the various ethnic groups helps TPTB usher in the NWO. I can't believe how many people here have fallen for his bull shit. Might as well be a bunch of Obama voters.
@dr.engali - i could very well be drinking the trump kool-aid + just wanna believe in one of these guys. my take is that trump really does love the country. while i know he loves himself, i do believe this guys is looking for some sort of redemption & this could be how he views it. anyone who takes that office is going to make $$$ off it when they get out as a result of being president. JMO but the outcome for all of us under a trump presidency is much better than that of hillary/sanders/biden/kerry on the left, and the more i watch the guys on the right, the more i see business as usual (with exception of cruz and carson). again, i could be a case of starve a man long enough and a friggin saltine is gonna taste great but IMO if it weren't for trump, immigration wouldn't even be talked about right now except for behind closed doors as to "how do we get THEIR vote" (and we all know thats done by paying them with more debt on our credit card).
When the choice is between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, no one wins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UthMHjoNyjA
Which is Trump? as far as I can tell, viewing him through the lense of his financial history, he is a poisonous, ineffectual blowhard who got rich on OPM. He is a hateful, Megalomaniacial, asshole who panders to the worst of populist rhetoric. The guy could easily become a fascist dictator. What an asshole. (and I am not referring to your Avatar....whicvh is one of my all time faves, btw.)
Bring back Ron Paul. Please.
I have no personal fear ( yet) illegal immigration will lose me my job, however over 30 years in my field, foreign born has gone from 10 to over 70% of workers here legally. I have definitely seen a change of culture and it is not good. In all the cases where I have found fraud, dry labing, has been by foreign workers. This is not to say all foreign workers are fraudulent. The cases I found were by accident. I followed their work because a work associate had called in sick suggesting collusion. Excuses often were " I was busy and would be late to my other job" or " I forgot to do it". It chills me to the bone patient care is not on their radar. It's just a job for money.
Most foreign born workers have received far less training and education then domestic so they require much more on job training. Large corporate labs use them almost exclusively because, yes, they are far cheaper to hire than a domestic worker who has $125k cost of education to pay off. Several of our new hires are whites fleeing these corporate labs. The stories they have told me what they saw going on was very revealing.
My field will soon be nothing like before, just like my country.
Miffed
modernity is built upon rational irrationality and it needs no quality. it cant remember the past and it cant even recognize the present. ultimately what matters is short term profit.
Non-whites are not people and have no souls. There, I said what everyone really, deep down, already knows is the truth.
Those non-whites pretty much think the same thing about you, you blue-eyed pale faced white devil.
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“Trump ... promises to rescind protections for Dreamers and deport them. He wants to redefine the constitutional definition of U.S. citizenship as codified by the 14th Amendment. He plans to impose a moratorium on legal immigration.”
While Sharry is a bit hysterical, he is not entirely wrong."
EXCEPT...HOW IS HE NOT ENTIRELY WRONG? Why will people making claims about the Constitution in the press never print the clause they propose to instruct us on??????
FYI...Here it is:
"Amendment 14
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the
jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State
wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge
the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any
State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of
law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the
laws."
So, this is the one time the Pols in D.C. follow the Constitution?
But, when it comes to every other admendment, except the 16th, its screw you, we know what's go for you!
This underclass of slave labor is whats required to run an economy absolutely devoid of labor that pays a living wage, generally speaking. If we eject the illegals watch and see how fast America starts rioting over the price of bread. The illegal labor is a form of welfare to the rest of the nation, in that they work for peanuts and under the table. Enjoy your temporary interlude before the drop into full blown 3rd world nation, America. Unless Trump-enomics involves abolishing all trade agreements made since the strat of the 1990s, which he doesn't have the power to do - either that or he enacts the most expansive socialist state imaginable to keep the poor working class (mostly white) from rioting.
What nonsense, you speak as if there were never a poor white underclass in the U.S., when in reality poor whites have always made up the majority of the underclass in this country. How do you think those poor whites feel seeing the immigrant underclass treated nicer by the cops (sanctuary cities), nicer by the health care system (often their bills aren't even tracked down, because no SS#), nicer by just about every institution that exists while they are forced to justify their welfare?
Mass elite-encouraged illegal immigration is a disaster for any class that plays by the rules, and that's exactly who is upset by Obama's ridiculous policy's on this.
The illegal spics have NO intention of integrating into this culture. They think they are entitled to the land Americans bought of fought for.
The illegal spics are actively trying to overthrow the GOV by breeding like vermin so they can sway the votes. In time it will be effective unless ALL are ejected. (This tactic is a verifiable fact)
The illegal spics are spreading diseases never seen in this country before (Do your research, I did)
The illegal spics come here to steal the social entitlements without any input from them (The banksters need this to keep velocity of money up and money circulating to keep the dollar ponzi afloat)
The illegal spics bring with them all of the crime that their 3rd world shithole deals with including child rape, child killing, child exploitation, drug dealing, gangs, random murders, etc. ad nauseam.
FORCEABLY DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL SPICS BEFORE THEY OVERTHROW THIS REPUBLIC.
120 years of Monroe Doctrine exploiting the 'spics' and keeping them in poverty. Kicking them out of their land or making it unliveable.
So typically American to blame othes for shit you started.
Guess what, bob? Get the Amcham, NED, CIA, State Department out of 'Spicland' and the 'Spics' will go home by their own accord.
So the issue is not 'spic' go home. It's Yankee go home.
You want the cake and eat it too.
Good to see there are still people in full retard mode and make absolutely no sense when they speak. Those in the know call you "sheeple" to be sheared.
I scoff in your general direction,
Scoff scoff scoff
I couldn't follow that either.
When was the last time you voted for a candidate that openly campaigned on the idea of ending all entitlements, both corporate and personal welfare?
The last guy I remember that did that was Ron Paul and he got laughed off the stage by roughly 98% of america, so the way I see it, america is getting what it deserves in spades.
wrg
Well personnaly I believe US needs way more immigrants from Syria, Libiya and Iraq. US destroyed these countries for their greater good, while the citizens sat on their fat asses. Few one day protests here and there. And now us in Europe have to take the toll for that. They are here in Belgrade, but luckily I'm in Serbia, a poor country. Going by droves to EU. Some 100k at the moment, but a wave of 2 million approaching through Greece and Turkey. Hundreds of immigrants/refugees going through the parks each day, sleeping on the streets. If US got 2 million islamic refugees, I would like to see if the people will finally say something about their government's wars.
BTW Macedonia right now
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=031_1439762414
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=031_1439762414
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=031_1439762414
Downtown Belgrade, what used to be a nice park
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WerHcd1ZQw
one of the most important pieces on Zero Hedge since I joined.
I struggle to come up with anything more anti-liberty than to uproot families and force them to move back to Mexico - a place they may no longer have a home. Perhaps, instead of taking this cheap tyrannical shortcut, we could end the welfare system thereby ending the debate overnight. Nah, it's easier to just use force. To tyrants, it always is.
And stop hiding behind legality. It's illegal not to pay the obamacare tax/fine and it's a matter of honor to not pay it. It's illegal not to pay your income taxes - but it's a matter of honor not to pay it. It's technically illegal to take various drugs yet it's within your natural rights to do what you want with your own body. There are lots of immoral things that are LEGAL and lots of ILLEGAL things which are moral.
Just because of some magical line in the sand you tyrants wanna destroy people's lives, many of which are innocent of any real actual crime simply because you can't convince the majority to end welfare. Why don't YOU voluntarily leave the country if it's that bad, rather than FORCE people to leave you godamn tyrants?
All your points are basically correct...until you realize that without laws or borders there is no Nation. Those that want open borders have not raised a family only to see the nation they grew up in destoyed by ILLEGALS. Just try to go to Mexico and demand that they support you and your whole family; you'd either be promptly deported or SHOT.
The Socialists/Progressives are right on course to destroy any hope of a future for this once great Nation.
So you're saying that it's perfectly fine for a mexican family to come here by signing a bunch of papers and go through the proper channels and as long as they do it "legally", it's ok that they get free gubmint benefits and leech off the welfare system?
The at-least-somewhat-reasonable ZH crowd evaporated some time ago, replaced with the Breitbart/Drudge crowd who can discern no greater threat to humankind than having to suffer the indignity of dark-skinned neighbors in their middle-class bedroom communities.
People don't want to have their rights and property taken away by socialism loving foreigners. It's that simple. The American concept of rights, descended from the traditional Rights of Englishmen, is a very small minority opinion in the world. Even in America, it's probably down to 60-75% of the public. Other Anglo-Saxon nations such as Canada, UK and Australia have turned back on the right to self-defense, freedom of speech, to say nothing of the rising police state in America. Unless the U.S. is very strict about letting in pro-liberty immigrants, immigration destroys liberty.
...
[] numbers were compiled by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) using official Department of Justice data on criminal aliens in the nation’s correctional system."
Hope none of your children get infected with TB or some other disease we have wiped out from one of your precious illegal neighbors.
Head lice which was pretty much stamped out in the 40's is making a comeback. Anyone else seen the commercials for head lice shampoo lately?
Thanks for posting the libertardian argument so we don't have to have someone else troll it.
Well said! I always find it perplexing that some folks here rail against the central state, yet then look to the state to enact their will when it suits them. Liberty is tough, the reason it is tough is because people will do things you don't like. Grow up.
Ending the welfare state is only half of the solution, the other is to break down the barriers for third world prosperity. Stop allowing monied elite to loot countries at will, stop the endless wars that produce so many refugees, stop the endless and mindless American imperialism that sparks those wars. Ivory tower? Probably, but that's the direction we need to head, we tried nationalism, statism, protectionism, and totalitarianism. It hasn't worked, it won't work. True, real liberty is the only hope for mankind, otherwise it's just my gang vs. your gang for resources we could easily share.
And, so importing 3rd world illiterate immigrants is somehow going to change all that?
Do you really think these people give two fly squats about what you believe in?
I guess we're supposed to feel guilty because we're gonna require people that came here illegally to move back to their country of origin and stop mooching off of Uncle Sugar's welfare teat?
"Mass immigration, if it continues, will be more decisive in deciding the fate of the West than Islamist terrorism."
One non-existent threat compared to another even more non-existent threat. People who are so passionate about this non-issue (but openly decry the media for focusing on trivial social justice issues!) are an endless source of amusement.
The media circus tent truly has something for everyone - everyone who is fundamentally ignorant and hopelessly credulous. Gresham's Law in action here, ZH is left with bitter clingers and national socialists. So many distractions, so little time.
"Indeed, it is the issue of the 21st century."
Just like women's rights was the issue of the 20th? Pure comedy gold - and the plebs inhale it.
It's gotta be better than the hopium you've been smokin.
You're not a free country if you build walls around the place like it was a goddamn prison. At the same time, you also don't have a free country if you hand out food stamps and checks and free schooling to anyone who decides to step across the border.
It's not that immigrants are coming here that is causing the problem. We've had immigrants forever and it was never a problem before. It's the fact that it's the WRONG TYPE of immigrants that are coming here that causes the problem. Ask yourself.....why did we do just fine 100 years ago without a big ass wall around our country and even less border patrol back then than we have now, but all of the sudden, now everyone thinks we need one? Did the laws of nature just magically change before our eyes, or is it more likely that the problem lies in the fact that we lure free-loaders with promises of handouts once they get in?
If we really want to stop the freeloader mentality in this country and the people coming across the border with their hands out, we need to stop talking about building walls and start concentrating on ending all forms of welfare, both personal and corporate. We need to get back to what worked in the past...."you come here, you will work, or you will starve......it's that simple"
Fuck all the rest of that tinkering around the edges, or building stupid walls. It won't work if you're still giving away free shit once they climb over it, dig under it, or bribe their way in.
Give them the free money, you make them invaders. Stop the free money, you make them Americans.
100 years ago we were smart enough to process the people that wanted to come here. If they didn't meet the criteria, they were sent back home. Eventually, we realized we had been letting so many people in for so long, that we needed to halt the process so the immigrants could assimilate.
Then ted kennedy came along.......................
You dumbfuck WASPS lost it fifty years ago when the Kennedy Legacy crowd and the Jews decided to fade America to brown.
Nope, they lost it when the Southern plantation owners decided to import cheap brown labor by the shipload.
Jews owned the slave ships.... Jews were in on the Columbus voyage.
Look it up.
How about a link
iamthewitness.com
Don't come back til you read all the books posted therein, fool.
This is will mean the end of Western civilization. There is nothing to be done to stop it. No big deal...civilizations come and they go.
10 years ago there were small bands of neonazis in Germany, some committed assaults, some bigger crimes.
Today obviously it would be the neonazis burning dorms and assaulting the migrants.
"Monday’s Washington Post had a front-page story on an “escalating rash of violent attacks against refugees,” in Germany, including arson attacks on refugee centers and physical assaults."
- USA doesn't seem to have the same element of organic nazis
- used to be the KKK and radicals were build by the FBI from what I heard
It ain't just Mexicans at all. As Miffed stated below, Asians have moved into many industries.
And you hear Yemenis, Somalis, Syrians, Iraqis, and other Africans are being flown in.
Is New York, Chicago, Detroit the success model?
I just want to know. If there is a success Model, then let's all study the case.
If you are going to ship off jobs, allow union compensation to rise to the point where jobs are shipped off, allow pensions to be cut by terminating the workers, allow executives to loot the corporations and take operations off shore... isn't there an objective to keep middle class jobs??
And if we moved from a Debt Economy to a Trade Economy with service sector as main source of jobs, then please explain how this works as job wages are suppressed and jobs sent overseas?
It is not an outrageous question?
What is the successful Model, describe the whole thing Mr. Obama, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Trump, Mr. Bush, MS. Clinton??
Can't do it right? There is no intelligent life down here.
Colonialist chickens coming home to roost.
You kick the ant hill and then bitch when the ants start crawling up your leg.
I didn't kick anything, you cunt.
Oh yes, Daisy, you do.
Manifest destiny doesn't mean what you think you mean anymore.
Pat Buchanan, a good guy. He, alone, helped John Deumjanik escape the Kangaroo court in Israel. They claimed he was "Ivan the Terrible" No he was not, only Pat stood up for him and for that he earned the HATRED of the J-Tribe, and as Elie Weasel er Wiesel put it, "We never forgive and we never forget"
Mass Immigration Eats Through The Melting Pot
March 04, 2004 By Sam Francis
See also:
How the 1965 Immigration Act was DESIGNED to get rid of Whites
And as far as what all these NON-EUROPEANS are doing in EUROPE, well I think this Swedish woman singer really puts it all in perspective, it is interspersed with news footage of riots in Sweden. I have to confess to getting a bit teary watching this:
Ode To A Dying People
And infuriated watching this Jewess:
Who is behind 3rd world immigration into Sweden and why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P07PZgUOL-o
Look up Barbara Spectre Lerner, an American Jewish studies professor. Here is a video of what she had to say about who is behind 3rd world immigration into all of Europe. Barbara Spectre Lerner, sister of Lois Lerner, IRS Commissar who specialized in auditing Whites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug
This video expands on the Barbara Spectre section of the previous video about Sweden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROGnoNJc6Nw
There is another member of the same tribe, Anetta Kahane in Germany saying the same things: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuYKtwnzG7M
Don't worry, this will all reverse soon when the third world countries start looking like a pretty sweet deal compared to USA. Too bad Trump's wall works just as good in both directions.
Nations with whites will always be far superior to nations without whites. Even South Africa, despite the genocide of whites, is the best nation in Africa because of the few whites that remain in that shit hole country.
For those who have not been paying attention:
list of all Mexican consulates in the US
http://www.mexinsider.com/mexican-consulates.html#amrican
?"AMERO"?
It's been on America's agenda since {well before ?} NAFTA!
There's no mystery, or conspiracy here-- its just survival folks.
Perhaps, within a decade or so, the illegal-immigrants pouring through the open-borders{by design?} will have assimilated {most, if not all males looking for a better life? --- !Get-It!?} into the USSA military apparatus.
The 'Call-to-Arms' will be freedom from a despotic, oppressive, and dictatorship government {having actually been shored-up by,...'guess-who?'} homeland they had fled for a better life.
My guess will be that by 2020- 2025, Mexico will have become a totally 'Failed-State'! And, with the freshly minted, 'Mexican born Amerikana trained troops' , walking right into Mexico and Annexing it! Period!
Mexico will be a new state {somewhat?, that of the Louisiana Purchase type?} that will will sliced and diced, with demarcation expertise of our {British Empire?} forefathers scalpels... but, this tyme via satellite and lasers!?!
As far as Canada?
They belong to the USSA[?],... and will jump at the chance to be annexed along with Mexico --- for trouble is brewing with nasty easterly winds, of ominous rumblings!
Lastly? Tis wonderful to have two great oceans as a 'Gift-from-the-GOd's', MOAT!
Ps. Wonderful read Patrick
Call it an 'adjustment tax'. Immigrants need to adjust. They pay double taxes while we wait for the adjustment to be complete. Judging by some areas of the country, this might take a generation or two. At least they will make themselves useful to the waste and spend system we have here.
No one would complain if these dicks were coming here to live with Western values, and seek a Western way of life.
Unfortunately, too many come to either poison us with the same shit-seeking religion that ruined their native countries, or they are coming to live off us, because we naively believe that they are coming here for 'opportunity' instead of a guaranteed free ride. (Yes, there are many immigrant who want to come to the West to actually work and make a better life for themselves; they are a small minority compared to those who are coming to join the FSA.)
If left unchecked, the tidal wave of hungry, destitute and angry @ssholes washing up ashore in both Europe and America will overwhelm the racial balance and we will become Brazil and Europe will become South Africa. We're stumbling into this nightmare. We the people need to demand a choice in the matter, and this is why Mssr Trump is leaps and bounds ahead in the polls.
Commissar Kowalski, flee North when the time comes. North as a Viking!
If you actually believe Trump wouldn't sell America don't the river for a buck fifty you deserve everything you're going to get.
Imagine - a President who twists the Constitution to his whims, violates it when he pleases, and writes executive orders in defiance of the Constitution, Congress, and any current law that displeases him. Don't we already have that now, Mr. Obama?
Mass immigration, if it continues, will be more decisive in deciding the fate of the West than Islamist terrorism. For the world is invading the West.
Blame the very Countries you rape, pillage and murder and then turn around and blame them AGAIN for "soiling" your shores when YOU were the one(s) in the first place that made that dynamic possible!...
Korea... Vietnam... Latin America...
And when the next generation is talented enough after they've lived in poverty long enough they may one day find themselves the next Lloyd Blankfein, Jack Welch, Bill Gates or Donald Trump but only if they behave!!!
I know... I know... I felt much better after what Paul Krugman and Ben Bernanke had to say on this subject!
After all. The results speak for themselves!!!
nobody is bitching about the vietnamese or koreans, they have thrived in the USA becasue they have values
They aassimilate. Most blacks assimilate too. The staged black protests, riots and shooting, all the distorted news is designed to divide the large black american population from the white population because American whites + American blacks + mil > illegal immigrants + socialists + homos + welfare parasites + state parasites. Divide and conquer, zionist style. People I know in minority communities hate Obama. They know.
Divide and conquer, zionist style...
"Bring me your tired your poor your hungry"... Cause they got no place lese to go when I fucked there Country to hell and I may be able to use them as a cheap resource somewhere down the road!
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Per your usual monad you get it!