This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.
East Ukraine's Donetsk Republic Will Hold Referendum To Join Russia
Following the 2014 Crimean referendum which saw the Black Sea peninsula join Russia shortly after the Ukraine presidential coup and ensuing territorial conflict between pro-Kiev and pro-Moscow regions, many speculated it is only a matter of time before the Donetsk region, subsequently elevated into People's Republic status, which has been engaged in constant warfare with the Kiev army (which is in such bad shape it recently drafted a disabled man without arms) would follow suit.
We now have the answer.
Having waited for over a year for the Ukraine civil war/conflict to be relegated to back page status, if that, Putin has finally given the green light, and as Xinhua reports, leaders of the self-proclaimed "Donetsk People's Republic" are planning to hold a referendum on seceding from Ukraine and joining Russia, the Donetsk-based Ostrov news agency reported Wednesday.
The referendum is scheduled to take place some in early to mid November, or specifically two to four weeks after the Oct. 18 local elections, said the news agency.
The ballot papers for the referendum designed in the colors of the Russian flag have already been printed, it said.
And while neither the rebel leadership nor the Ukrainian authorities have commented on the report yet, the modus operandi is strikingly familiar to what happened in Crimea.
Should Donetsk indeed proceed with a popular secession vote, the result is virtually assured but the bigger question is just how would Europe react considering this would result in another territorial expansion of Russia which would be accused of annexing a region that Kiev has largely given up even pretending it has control over.
In July, leaders of pro-independence insurgents in Donetsk region said they would hold local elections on Oct. 18 without Kiev's supervision as they believed that the Ukrainian government has not fulfilled its obligations under the Minsk peace agreement.
Last week, violence in eastern Ukraine has sharply escalated after several weeks of relative calmness. On Sunday night, at least 11 people, including nine civilians, were reportedly killed in Donetsk region, marking the worst casualties in the conflict since early June.
Then again, after the recent referendum farce in Greece in which a substantial majority of the population voted for one thing just to get the opposite, maybe history is about to rhyme a few hundred kilometers northeast of Athens.
»
- 37357 reads
- Printer-friendly version
- Send to friend
- advertisements -
Tic - toc bitches!
I can already hear the Noodlemans and Kagans screaming about coersion and elections at gunpoint. Because if Democracy doesn't go the ziocons way then it must be nullified.
The West has set the precedent in Kosovo. Now, they reap the fruits of their actions.
Savior of the white race.
God help me I never thought I would ever agree with that comment. But I do, sad day.
I am right there too.
I listen to the Alex Jones v. David Duke interview yesterday. I found myself agreeing more with David Duke than Alex Jones. What a sad day the current state of affairs has become. :(
I remember the day that what Charles Manson was spouting started to make more sense to me than George W. Bush.
I didn't know what to be more horrified by, or for, or -what...
Now I couldn't be more sure of which of the two was/is more dangerous to the Citizenry of the United States.
Russia is not a real country.
Why would anybody want to join Russia? It would be like abandoning a sinking ship for a burning ship during a cyanide thunderstorm.
Keep asking... maybe one day you'll find the answer.
Russia is more real as a country than Belgium and Switzerland in Europe or anything in the Americas.
It is a country full of....you got it...Russians...an actual bloodline that can be traced back to certain ancient tribes.
Yes there are other minorities living there also.
It is also a country that has been around for a few centuries.
Anything in the Americas has no such lineage. Cannot even claim to hail from the same region of the world. Nothing wrong with that, but your claim that Russia is not a real country is stupid. Even more stupid than a Russian claiming that Ukraine has never been a country until the breakup of the Soviet Union so it has no right to exist.
Any country that would elect Obola or allow their system to manipulated by Zoligarchs to install Obola is Not a real country.
Russia has also been a Christian country for over 1,000 year interrupted by 80 years of NYC, London and German zio Bolshevik mass murderers.
+100
Few understand the actual genesis of that 80 year interruption.
@Ob1knob, that is a most astonishing observation. Seriously, how do you believe such a thing? If Russia is not a country how would you define it?
"HELTER SKELTER!"
You expected more from the zio-shill Jones? Married to a Jew, station owned by jews, public supporter of Israel and Netanyah.
Duke killed him in that debate.....wiped the floor with him and his jew boy boss.
Tic-tic boom.
Obama is going to have to find some more Nazi mercs to send over to help the Ukies.
There's plenty of good land, which will take all the fascist mercenaries.
Lots of natural resources is Donesk. Lughansk is next... then the Ukies can feast on the bones of whatever is left of the non-producing state known as Ukraine. When natural resources start rising again, Russia has another money maker.
Chess bitchez.
Yep.
The Kosovo Precedent overturned the last 360+ years of western statecraft. The powerful have the declared their right to forcefully intervene anywhere, at any time, destroying any community or person they please. The only issue to calculate is whether they think they can get away with it: the international law of the jungle has been re-set... to "moar jungle".
Thankfully, there are still a few national players who, one hopes, cannot be effectively controlled by the Empire. And, ultimately, what goes around indeed comes around.
The Kosovo Precedent overturned the last 360+ years of western statecraft. The powerful have the declared their right to forcefully intervene anywhere, at any time, destroying any community or person they please.
Er... what? Ever heard of Sykes-Picot? Since when has Western "statecraft" ever not forcefully intervened anywhere, at any time, destroying any community or person they pleased?
Yup! Victoria Nuland, Samantha Powers and that hate-filled Polish American, Zebrinski (sp) will simply not tolerate this form of "democracy" to take place in the Ukraine where the US neo-cons perpetrated the coup and caused all of the deaths and carnage to ensue.
Breszinski is single-handedly responsible for the radicalisation is Islam in Afghanistan.
He concocted the plant to kill the moderates and arm the radicals and force USSR to invade. He said so himself, bragging about it.
Same plan was executed in the Caucasus. Requiring the de-radicalisation of Chechnya. Good thing the Russians are better at it the the west ever was.
and if you look at Grozny today, it is a modern city, completely rebuilt. Whereas if you look at Baghdad, or other places the U.S. 'Liberated' you see a wasteland.
So when the time comes to de-nazify your neck of the woods, better the Russians do it.
Amen.
Is it not this region of the Ukraine where VP's baby boy got a job? So sad to see him join the unemployed and unemployable.
Beau Biden is dead...I don't suppose you can get anymore unemployable than that
I think he was thinking of Hunter Biden. I wonder if Beau was murdered. This is generally how they keep their puppets in line by murdering their kids and giving them cancer.
The neocons are already out with their propaganda claiming Russia is going after Eastern Ukraine. I believe it is the Ukrainians calling for a referendum. It's the same crap we heard about Russia taking over Crimea. Don't these morons realize Crimea is where retired Russian generals go to retire? Wasn't it Crimea who held the referendum that went the Russian way by well over 90%?
I am not a big fan of central planning Russia, but call it truthfully. Eastern Ukraine prefers Russian Communism over Western Communism.
I am in Odessa now. A friend told me there was a rumor going round that Russia would invade East Ukraine on September 1. It doesn't make any sense to me, but at least some people seem to believe it could happen.
The boys at DPR and LPR can do the job if they have a bit better weapons. Most of the Ukrainians would take Putin over Yats and Porky any day.
Zakarchenko and givi have said they would gladly help the Ukrainain people overthrow the vile Kiev Junta of dual shit-i-Zens.
I saw something on fort Russ last night that Yats said he might leave the Ukraine because it is not his birth homeland or some shit. He is a dual shit-i-ZZen traitor. He runs Soros NGO in the Ukraine.
This MF'er Yats needs to face a guillotine.
Hopefully, Putin has pushed out most of those NGOs out of Russia.
How is it that you have figured out that "the" does not go in front of "Russia", but you keep writing "the Ukraine"???
WTF???
..
And as far as what Ukrainians think, frankly you haven't got a clue. They are bombarded by anti Russian propaganda and it does have an effect. They believe what they see on the news. Ones that question the current events and government still do not see the Russians as the good guys.
The percentages of hard anti Russian vs skeptical vary by region.
Firstly, you yourself look to me like you are pumped full of western propaganda, perfectly happy to think what you are told to think.
Secondly, the name Ukraine is derived from the Russian word for 'frontier,' so it is not inappropriate to call it 'The Ukraine' as in 'The frontier.' And the Ukrainians themselves, call their own nation what literally translated, is 'the frontier.'
>>>rumor going round that Russia would invade East Ukraine on September 1.
In for a penny, in for a pound. I suspect that IF Russia ever decides it needs to end the "Ukraine Question" through direct military action, the Russian army is going all the way to the Moldovan border.
oh shit - shot heard round the world 2.0?
Gee, a referendum on whether or not to have live artillery shells dropping on their heads, I wonder how that will turn out?
Also note that it's not a civil war. Donetsk doesn't want to control Kiev, they want out.
Reminds me of the war of Northern agression.
which reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpuW-aREDgA
My aversion for slavery kept me from understanding the better substantiated reasons for calling it the War of Northern Aggression. I think a proper reading of the US history of expansion and aggresion bares this out.
Incredibly important to remember that. One-sided civil war and very smart way for the separatists to end it and all the shelling. (Although I think they want Mariupol in this.)
The only worry is how the United Sycophant States will react. Surely irrationally and at the line of all out war.
if Putin is willing to give "green light", you may bet that he is now more than ready for an "all out war". However, the USA is not ready for any real war at all. It seems that the story about the Russian plane, which totally jammed the US Donald Cook, was true after all.
"The US military has for weeks been training Ukrainian forces in US tactics, but the commander of US Army Europe says Ukrainian forces, who are fighting Russian-backed separatists, have much to teach their US trainers. Ukrainian forces have grappled with formidable Russian electronic warfare capabilities that analysts say would prove withering even to the US ground forces."
And even this amazing statement:
Konstiantyn Liesnik, an adviser to the Defense Ministry's reform office and head of its working group for logistics and procurement, noted the US military's experience in recent years has concerned insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, not a powerful, organized and well-equipped adversary like Russia. "The future of war is in the Ukraine, and I think in this case our experience is very important to US personnel how war should be in this century and next century," Liesnik said.
And I say: If the USA is only just learning "how a war should be in this and next century" from Ukrainians facing just some non-professional (although Russian-trained) rebels, what chances could the USA have in a direct conflict with Russia, i.e. with the real Russian army?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=80f_1438760701
This link was posted the other night concerning Russia and Iranian electronic warfare.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/10/disclosure-why-sabotaging-the-ir...
Maybe humankind has a chance...
"The US military has for weeks been training Ukrainian forces in US tactics, but the commander of US Army Europe says Ukrainian forces, who are fighting Russian-backed separatists, have much to teach their US trainers. Ukrainian forces have grappled with formidable Russian electronic warfare capabilities that analysts say would prove withering even to the US ground forces."
Here, let me translate this for you: We need MOAR money! The Russians are coming!
Given the stories about USAF $200 toilet seats, amybe most of the money the US spends on defence is wasted... but I'd be very surprised if the Russians were significantly ahead of ZATO in any military technology.
Ignatius: Also note that it's not a civil war. Donetsk doesn't want to control Kiev, they want out.
Please define a "civil war".
We had a little disturbance in the USA in the 1860's that was called a civil war. The south didn't want to control the country ... they wanted out.
I think the US "Civil War" is/was misnamed. The South didn't seek to control, but to secede.
The Russian/Bolshevik revolution was a civil war for control of the country. It's a distinction noted by others and I think it's correct.
Oddly enough the same Red Shield bankster dual shit-i-zen types fanned the flames for both wars.
See the carpetbaggers like Nudelman who invaded the south after the war to loot and pillage. Same people.
Nuland and Obama will be so thrilled. US will attack oil even more - free oil for everyone. And Syria will be bombed a lot more.
The chance of a major war increases everyday - the Nobel Prize Winner doing his magic.
How will they improve on "Putin is a demented mass-murderer"?
Nuland just come in her nickers.
Great. Somebody bring a straw.
"BREEDING ONE SOW AT A TIME."
http://www.purplepowerboarstud.com/berkshires.html
GODWIN
$100 • 4/$75 | Overrun $50
Sire: Heat Stroke
Dam: Torque x Man In Black x Stimulus
Stress Negative | EN 142-1 | Reg# 120275001
^^^ Even with 4 straws from a prize boar,
I doubt you can get any more piglets from her at this age.
hey wile E -- maybe hitlary will wipe it clean
All true, but Putin isn't stupid. If this plebiscite report is true and the initiative serious, my sense is that Putin is content with breaking his extended pause.
My sense is that he is content to sit back and watch the show as always. Twice the EUke's had the WUke's trapped and were ready to destroy them - and TWICE Putin came to the aid of the WUke's and forced the EUke's to let them go.
So the EUke's are going to vote. And just how many troops has Putin commited to placing in EUke after the vote? None, no change. The west has committed war crimes and group executions, used white phorporus and gang raped the women - to which Putin did not respond.
So what good is the vote? One thing Putin might want is some of the land just north of Crimea. He may use this as an excuse to negotiate away the rest of EUke in order to get the west to accept a smaller portion next to Crimea also going to Russia.
Gee stumpy, maybe you should be president of Russia, being so smart and all?
Hmmmm, a part of a country wants to secede. The other part is controlled by the USA.
Lemme know how that works out for you.
pods
To paraphrase Nedelman "Fuck the USA", seems to be the clear message.
The Russians are slow to mount.......
Nedelman want Fuck EU in Kiev? Ok! But people say Fuck the USA in Donetsk!
A group of people living on one of the Alaskan islands have requested closer ties with Russia. Maybe the US needs a dose of color-coded revolutions?
https://translate.yandex.com/translate?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftvzvezda.ru%2Fne...
Russia has also delivered a batch of Mig-31 long range interceptor/fighters and a Russian refuelling aircraft to Syria.
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/www.e-news.su/in-world/70991-po-...
Update: The Russians and Iranians also appear to have finalized the custom changes needed to integrate the S-300 system into the Iranian air defense system.
...but once they do, they ride you all night long.
So which spark will finally set things off? This, Syria, China, Saudi Arabia, Iran? North Korea?! This global clusterfuck is looking worse than what happened pre-WWI. Who is the 'Archduke Ferdinand?'
Can we nominate a person to be the Archduke this time?
Good.
Fuck Obama and his whores Nuland and Powers. These are the scum that hammer out a deal with Iran but they are willing to start a war with a fellow Judaeo Christian society. Its the Allbrite doctrine.
Obama is not in control, neocons are with conscience-free Nuland only as anti-russian multi-pupose-whore. Mission is to escalate conflict w/ Russia such that US/Nato can continue to dominate Westeurope (=Germany). In the end it will be the Germans to pay the bill, US anf UK are already fucked beyond all repair, i.e., no risk for the anglosaxon combo of world-destroyers.
He's in the worst possible position: not being in controll of anything while appearing (to others) to be fully in charge... Not very smart of him !
Sounds like the bankers will be declaring war after the stock exchanges close.
Hopefully, the Russians don't have to try out that new Armata tank, with the new gun that goes through one meter of steel. Nuland: Can't we all just get along?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lY1f0tBHqE
Givi, Motorola and Zakarchenko. Heroes of the DPR.
These guys are like Chuck Norris. They take out tanks with 1930s recoiless rifles, SPG9s and RPGs.
Hopefully the Blackwatrer,Xe,Academie and Nuland stooges are getting an ass beaten today.
Now we're getting somewhere ---
May be a good time to get into some energy positions.
May be time to get into fetal position. And no, that is not child porn.
About time!
Minsk agreements failed
Ukrain has prepared 65000 troops to take over break away regions
Putin did everything he could to stop this shitstorm from spiralling out of control. The US neocons, EU and Kiev fascists on the other hand have been howling for regime change, upheaval & war from the very start. Sick scum. They wont win though. The ethnic Russians have a steely resolve, and the Uke conscripts mostly dont even want to fight.
what the hell are you talking about? Putin started this shitstorm with Yanukovich. Putin wanted to take over all eastern and southern part of Ukraine all the way to Transnistria. Complete control of Black Sea was planned because he was afraid of losing his back sea port which would not have happened because Russia had a positive image in Ukraine and long term contracts until the Green men in Crimea showed up.
You mean the goddam USA/NATO's plan to take over all of Ukraine including Crimea and that naval base BACKFIRED.
Have you ever Been in Ukraine? Every single region had politicians put in directly by and working for Yanukovich. It was organized crime running the country top to bottom, and shot being called from Russia. Thats why he ran away to Rostov on Don. The dude had a golden loaf of bread as a paperwight http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/2/22/2ff2b290-24df-46ca-b047-2a817e7...
He was probaby a satanist or some other crazy shit, this was in his personal zoo, crusified birds on crosses - this was the FUCKING PRESIDENT
http://romaninukraine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Crucified-birds-at-...
And what is it now? Kiev run by mafia oligarchs and neo Nazis.
Piss off you son of a bitch
Nazis? if you want to find Nazis go to Russia, much more likely
http://euromaidanpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/russiannazis.jpg
When you get your glasses unfogged, you will see that you are on the wrong side of history.
unlike most of you i dont even look through glasses.
@Nightmareuki--You have to stop forming opinions based upon what the media yappers say. Lack of historical knowledge is mandatory for media employment, and compliance with the official story is required for a continued paycheck. They are paid to repeat propaganda, you are not. Or maybe you are.
In any case, this started a few years ago when Yanukovich would not allow NATO bases to be build along the Russo-Ukrainian border. The psychopaths in DC will not take "no" for an answer, so our overfed, overpaid Neudelman donated $5 billion of our tax dollars to ignite the Maidan fiasco. It turned into a conflagration during the Russian Olympics, because our DC morons figured that Putin could not react during the Games, which meant the whole thing would be wrapped for NATO in a few weeks, and NATO would have fabulous ports all around Crimea.
Like her slaves in the media, Nudelman had no concept of history except that she hated the Russians, who booted her ancestors. Smart Russians! So for decades on end her family nursed the hatred of Russians, even to her fluency of the Russian language. You never know when a foreign language comes in handy when planning revolutions. Hence her lousy family problems became our problems.
Are you talking about the yanukovitch who send the police unarmed to control the protests? You got stronger armed policece response to Occupy Wall St. Or do You mean the Maidan was about freeing Ukraine from control of criminals?
Like Jewish gangster Kolomoyski, who orders civilian planes shot down? Or saakashvili, who is not even Ukrainian?
Corruption is one thing, and should be dealt with by rectitude of the population refusing to join in. Burning people alive is a different story altogether, it has to be dealt with with extreme prejudice.
How about you do some reasech before spewing shit.
Berkut attacked first. People were just literally camping on the Maidan to make sure Yanukovich signs the trade/travel agreement with EU but he got 6 billion from Putin and bailed on that promise. Then November 30th 2013 at 3-4am Berkut rolled in and beat the shit out of everyone,(forceful cleanup) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE-1unKeBP4
only after that that people started arming themselves and the number of protesters exploded, before this there were maybe few hundred people there at any given time. People started bulding barricades to slow down the police.
Russian Separatists/terrorists/imbreeds whataver you wana call them shot down MH-17, they fuckign confessed to it on twitter, VK.com and over intercepted phone calls.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bswg7UGCQAAtv47.jpg
They thought they shot down another Ukrainian plane, there was another one shot down earlier that day. On top of that Russia was trying to distance itself from BUK system saying that it was Ukrinian support fighter that shot down the plane becasue they knew what happened becasue it was their crew and weapon.
Sounds like you were there. Those must have been some tasty cookies you got from Nudelman. Must be the Monsanto GMO corn HFCS.
THE Ukraine is not even a real country. Something else it has in common with Israel, I suppose. Alongside with being run by criminals.
if only you knew something. Ukraine gave birth to Russia. Russia got started by sons/nephews of Vladimir II Monomakh who were sent to rule their own provinces.
Ukraine gave birth to Russia? LOL
You or a liar or a fool who does not know the history and use of the TV instead of the brain.
At the time of the birth of Russia, in the world there was no country what called "Ukraine".
The concept of "Kievan Rus" first appeared in the books only in the 18th century as the name of the era.
I very much hope that you are able to understand the difference between the name of the era from the name of the state.
The force is strong with this state department troll.
No mention of the USD $5 billion invested by the US to instigate the regime change, rather trying to drown everyone in useless half truthes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fYcHLouXY
Here's Vicky herself bragging about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvVa3W8XiP4&t=16
Yeh, piss off you son of a bitch
Indisputable.
The US Navy was openly soliciting bids for converting local buildings into its new Sebastopol operations center.
And the Empire paints Russia as the destabilizing aggressor.
Do you have any links to reliable sources?
>>>Do you have any links to reliable sources?
The below may not be the original posting of the "request for bid" by the USN, but it's all I can find with a quick Google search.
I have zero doubt that the US Navy knows a great deal about Sebastopol, and would like at least influence in the area. My understanding of the treaty governing the Straits is that non-litoral states cannot have bases on the Black Sea coast (though their ships can visit). So the idea may have been to merely have an advisory and/or spying facility in Crimea.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=2bb691b61c59be3a681...
If the US wants war with Russia, they will have war with Russia. But for the US, this war will be last.
Russia would have to use Nukes to win even against Ukraine, you think some chechen and ingushets were big problems for Russia with events like Beslan? If this shit goes further Islamic terrorists will be a picnic compared to what Ukrainins are capable of. Right now Ukraine is fighting assymetric warfare where Russains are the guerilla force, if Russia were to invade fully Ukraine would become the guerilla army. The casualty numbers for russians already greatly oershadow those in Chechen war which lasted 10 years
Hey fuckhead, Kiev troops are deserting to go to Russia.
Jesus fucking Christ you are a goddam MORON.
Probably a fucking coward piece of shit Nazi like the Kiev bastards also.
what in the actual fuck are you talking about? whos deserting? You keep posting shit might as well be pulling it From Hitleries email server. Back your shit up or be quiet
I suggest you research what happened last year. And fuck off, assswipe I am finished with you , ya godddam Nazi son of a bitch.
Locked and loaded for cocksuckers like you.
ohh yeah start backtracking when i ask for sources. you got nothing backing up the miles of bullshit you just typed. MIght as well be playing chess with a pidgeon
Dude the "rebels" decimated the Ukraine army with slingshots for pete's sake. Once Putin gets involved, he just yells "boo!" and the rest of them will pee their pants. Just ask Georgia...
ohh yeah, sligshots.
Here is them posting their training videos on brand new fucking BMPs and tanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0oYznENnYg
They got those BMPs and tanks from the Ukrainain Army who do not want to fight for Yats, Nudelman, McCain, Obama, Soros, Zuckerberg and the See Eye Aye.
The Ukies are sick of the crminals in Kiev. They turned over many tanks, BMPs, artilerry, ammo and tons of weapons in the last two cauldrons. Kiev lies to it's conscript soldiers and gets them killed on the battlefield.
Ukraine sucks ass....begging for money and in bed with the laughing tock US....dumb shit Ukies couldnt organise a root in a brothel.....had to install puppet foreigners just to bring some fcking experience to govt.....groups turning on groups....fascits, nazis and other nutters have the shoulder of the president.....talk about a mess. Crinea gone, Doney to follow.
Seriously fck off if you think they could beat Russia.....lol
Now piss off you son of a ukie bitch
Chechnya - is part of Russia. In Chechnya, there was no war. In Chechnya, it was an anti-terrorist operation. Moreover, Chechnya has never claimed independence from Russia.
During the first Chechen campaign, Chechnya demanded special rights as a part of Russia, including the right to print currency - the ruble.
During the second Chechen campaign, Chechnya demanded the creation of a Muslim state in the three republics of Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia.
You should not try to argue that you do not know and does not understand.
The United States lost all the war in all its history, when the US Army received any adequate military response. Russia - this is not Afghanistan, not Korea and even Vietnam.
You know why people say God Bless America?
People say so because America has never fought against Russia.
If Russia decided to take Ukraine they would in Kiev in a couple of days. Then they would disband the current government, shoot any pro EU politicians, do the same to any foreign troops and mercenaries that remained, install their own puppet government and and mostly go home.
Also Russify the officer core of the military and that would be the end.
Unlike westerners that are there now the Russians would blend in. They look and sound the same. Most of Ukraine still speaks Russian. Only the Western parts speak mostly Ukrainian.
No, Puti did not try to stop anything. He wanted Crimea and he encouraged the events and killing in order to get it.
Firm action at the beginning by the riot police could have stopped this but Putin ordered the Uke leader to have the riot police stand down and not engage. Even when they were being shot they were not allowed to respond. Then when Putins orders to stand down had resulting in the revolt gaining enough ground that it could not be prevented, Putin rewarded the Uke leader with safe haven in Russia.
Twice when the EUke's had trapped the WUke forces and were prepared to destroy them Putin came to the aid of the WUke and force the EUke's to allow them to safely withdraw. Putin did so because the wanted the conflict to continue.
It's not Putin want Crimea. This population of Crimea would like Crimea to join Russia.
If you do not like the will of the people of Crimea, then you're a fascist dictator like Nuland or Poroshenko.
I am perfectly happy with the people of Crimea having a vote on who they are ruled by.
But Putin set it all up by forcing the Uke leader to stand down the riot police when the riots happened. After that what were the people of Crimea to do? The criminals in Kiev who Putin helped take power wanted the people in Crimea with russian backgrounds to be persecuted.
Putin wanted Crimea and used and assisted the overthrow of Kiev to get it. The people of Crimea voted and their vote should be acknowledged.
Have you ever been to Crimea? That place was never really a part of Ukraine to begin with, at least in most local residents' minds. The majority always looked toward Moscow rather than Kiev.
Two outcomes:
They will vote to join Russia, and soon after Putin will acquiesce on Syria--more war for Syria.
Or, they will vote to join Russia, Putin will still not give on Syria, and so another false-flag will be utilized to draw into the Ukraine and the Donetsk region more mercenaries and troops from the Zion controlled west.--more war for the Ukraine.
Zion is a scheme, not an ethnicity.
Moar woar is a given, but not even the Ukes are dumb enough to attack what will
be Russian territory.Evil not suicidal.
Putin has long ago acquiesced on Syria. Syria is mostly destroyed.
Just last week Putin has the insurgents leaders safely flown to Russia for negotiations. Yes, Putin is negotiating with the insurgents in hopes Russia will have a place (or a piece of the pie) when Syria falls. One sticking point is that Putin wants Assad to have some kind of figure head position and the insurgents want him dead (like Libya). Guess who is negotiating from a position of strength, not Putin. These attempted negotiations are clearly a show of weakness and desperation.
Reads like a prayer. Have you been watching The Secret?
You sound as if you are part of the negotiating team with first hand knowledge. That's pretty damn important. What the hell are you doing posting here?
War.
Did Soros give permission?
Glad to see the will of the people being respected somewhere in Eurasia.
Start shorting Ukrainian air space
Yes! Start shorting Ukrainian air space and take experience for yourself, what it means good job of the best in the world Russian air defense systems!
Serbia was bombed on pretense of stopping humanitarian disaster. Interesting how little is Europe concerned with humanitarian disaster that is ongoing in Novorussia for more than a year, don't think that they have send a bottle of aspirin as help. As for millions of Ukrainians being refugees that doesn't seem to be a problem neither, more of them in Russia the better and those that do choose to go to EU instead find out that one way bus tickets back to Ukraine are provided for free.
Is Obama ready for his mutant test tube government in Kiev to invade Russia proper? Looks like the chess master is winning...again.
Hoping to see headline . Nudelman gets Benazhir Bhutto treatment.
the USA is supporting genocide in 2 places simultaneously. Gaza and East Ukraine.
This should have been done last year.
America is gone over to the dark side with Nazism at home and supporting Nazism abroad.
Add Myanmar to the list.
Myanmar? What are you possibly refering to? Nobody's doing genocide in Myanmar at the moment. Take a trip and have a look. I like it a lot.
The rohinga beg to differ.
Aungsan Su-kii is a British agent.
Chindit13 also likes it a lot, lots of money to be made trafficking organs to Israel.
And don't forget the Karen people from there; is their identity and presence obliterated yet from Myanmar?
the USA is supporting genocide in 2 places simultaneously. Gaza and East Ukraine.
This should have been done last year.
America is gone over to the dark side with Nazism at home and supporting Nazism abroad.
How long before the US publicly states the referendum a sham? Democracy sucks when you don't control it.
Anyone who doesn't kiss the ass of the Useless Snakes is the enemy.
Oh dear... que US damnation 3-2-1
Order of events:
Donetsk joins Russia.
1, just 1 artillery shell from Ukraine lands inside what is now Russia, and it's on like Donkey Kong. (See Orlov's blog entry for what happens next...)
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/how-can-you-tell-whether-russia-ha...
How soon after this does Lugansk follows in their footsteps?
Standard Disclaimer: Dear President Putin, I wish to secede from the US. I have 20 acres in the middle of America. I look forward to paying a flat tax.
Lavrov announced today that Putin will be addressing the UN soon.
Should be interesting. Long live Putin and fuck the USA Nazis.
Russia's counter-move has been made.
When does China announce its finger to the Empire?
Please issue that gold backed Yuan soon.
http://russia-insider.com/en/new-aussie-film-ukraine-civilian-bombings-p...
The RT article links to the film trailer. Here is a link to the full film.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQN4xs2bKF4
News Alert
Obozo rushed to hospital.
Furry mink up his ass.
Ukraine effectively ceased being a country following Victoria Nuland’s 2014 inspired coup (Link: genius.com/Victoria-nuland-on-a-planned-coup-detat-in-ukraine-annotated). Ms. Nuland was so impressed with her work, she bragged about “investing” more than $5 billion (courtesy of US taxpayers) to “help” Ukraine. So where do things stand? A bankrupt country, with high/unpayable debt, high unemployment, increasing poverty, being run by oligarchs and neo-fascists. Have no fear, the IMF (read US and EU taxpayers) are going lend Kiev more money, provided Ukraine follows through on more “structural adjustments”- read- further cuts to subsidies, pensions, increase unemployment, and austerity- in effect, throwing gasoline on a smoldering fire. Is it any wonder Donetsk wants out?
WHAT OBLESKS ARE MARIPOL/SEVASATPOL IN ; therein wwIII.
If that is true, then Putin seems to know that the rest of the world will be busy trying to contain another financial disaster at that time.
Anyways, the point is simple: if the US neocons won't back off, then Russia might go all in, as in this joke:
-Mommy, mommy, I caught a bear!
-Honey, bears are very dangerous animals, let him go immediately!
-Yeah mom, I would, but he won't let me go.
or, in simple, mafia terms:
How much are you willing to pay me to leave you alone?
This fall won't be boring, that's sure.
How much are you willing to pay me to leave you alone?
Perfect!
USA/NATO attacks Russia. Israel attacks Iran, China attacks US forces in Asia
Its on folks.
USA/NATO does not have even one chance in a thousand, to win the war against Russia on Russia's borders and with full support Russia, from side the local pro-Russian population.
This is a very remote theater of war for the United States.
Russian can sink all US air carriers in 40 minutes only, even if they stand in their ports in the United States.
US does not have the land army.
All US forces land - is not the army. This forces of the military police, who did not know how to fight against strong land army.
They can only lead stripping areas of weak opponents, after work, air force and navy.
But Russia - this is not a weak opponent. Russia will destroy all aircraft of USA/NATO as an educational target in a shooting gallery.
Looks like Putin traded Syria for Donetsk.
Wrong. Details given in
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-19/east-ukraines-donetsk-republic-...
So the Security Council meets on Syria, and all come to an agreement. As well as the Iranian agreement. They all sure are getting along these days. And the next day Donetsk makes this declaration?
4 down votes in less than a minute. I'm suspecting some trolls here. Which is odd to me cuz I like the way Putin makes decisions.
From what I read, he'll defend Crimea first.
Looks like Putin traded Syria for Donetsk.
That's what the west's propaganda machine would like people to believe but it is not going to happen. If Assad is actually seriously threatened you will see Russian (and Iranian) troops move into Syria within 24 hours.
Also, having all or part of the Donbas region join Russia is a very hot potato for Russia/Putin as it gives the west the excuse to actively join the fighting in Ukraine due to "Russian expansionism" - which they have been trying to provoke from the get go . . . .
"If Assad is actually seriously threatened"
Are you serious. Syria is largely destroyed and a majority of the country is already taken by the insurgents.
Just last week Putin hosted the leaders of the insurgents in Russia to present his requests for how a post Assad Syria would look.
Being a big Putin fan should not prevent you from seeing these events.
The west is not going to attack Russia. No chance in hell. The most that might happen is a Korea type situation with the country divided.
The Russians have tremendous advantage. This is right on their border. They look land sound like most of residents in Ukraine and they also have a substantial percentage of population that sympathize with them. They might be a minority in some areas and majority in others. It does not matter. It would be hostile territory for western forces.
No European will go to fight Russia over Ukraine.
President Putin signed this grave war order in Crimea early today during his security meeting with top Federation military leaders, this report says, and publically noted the Kremlins concerns by stating:
“It is evident that the threat on the part of external forces to destabilize in this or that way the situation on the peninsula remains: either to play a nationalistic card or, using these or those mistakes, blunders, inefficient actions of the authorities, to direct the citizens’ just concern to a destructive alley. Some capital cities speak openly on this subject, speaking of the necessity to conduct subversive activities; relevant structures are being formed, personnel for acts of sabotage, radical propaganda is recruited and trained.”
The neocons are playing Putin for a fool, it seems.
I wonder what he'll do next?
He probably doesn't like the Kazakhstan bullshit either.
Ostrov is a Kiev-based propaganda outlet: http://www.ostro.org/ They're the only "source" for this ridiculous claim. The article in question: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&sl=auto&tl=destination_langua...
I would've expected better fact-checking from Xinhua.
It's not happening.
Troll Alert!!!