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"Mystery" Cyanide Foam Covers Streets In China As "Massive Fish Die-Off" Observed After Tianjin Explosion
Update: The latest images from the massive fish die-off...
On Wednesday evening we noted that China, in what looks like an attempt to discourage investigative reports into Communist Party culpability for the explosion at Tianjin which killed more than a hundred people and injured more than 700 last week, revealed the previously unnamed majority shareholders of Tianjin International Ruihai Logistics.
The two men - a Mr. Yu and a Mr. Dong - have Party ties and admitted to using their political connections to skirt restrictions on the storage and handling of hazardous chemicals like sodium cyanide.
That admission isn’t likely to satisfy the Chinese public, which is looking for the head (figuratively speaking we hope) of someone higher up in the party, as scapegoating a few locals with tenuous Party ties doesn’t seem to constitute the type of wholesale, rigorous investigation that would indicate Beijing is serious about getting to the bottom of how 700 tonnes of toxic chemicals ended up being stored at a facility that was only licensed to warehouse a fraction of that total.
In any event, the "cyanide thunderstorms" we warned were rolling into the area have now blanketed Tianjin in a "mysterious" white foam. The images are below.
And as The South China Morning Post reports, some claimed the rain had burned their skin and lips, which would be consistent with a text message purported to have emanated from the American Embassy (which immediately denied its authenticity) advising workers to "avoid ALL contact" between their skin and any rain:
Some residents and journalists near the blast site in Tianjin experienced skin burns as rain hit the Binhai New Area on Tuesday.
Amid fears the rain could spark toxic reactions with chemicals at the site - in particular with hundreds of tonnes of sodium cyanide - an official urged the public to "stay far away".
As the rain progressed, an unusual white foam emerged on roads near the blast site. A journalist for Caixin reported feeling burns on the lips and arms after being exposed to the rain.
As for the official explanation for why the streets in Tianjin are now running white with what might very well be an extremely toxic, cyanide-laced foam, Tianjin's environmental monitoring center says it's "a normal phenomenon when rain falls, and similar things have occurred before."
And in case that wasn't enough of a punchline for you, here's a look at what happened after no chemicals were detected in the seawater around the blast site:
No #cyanide detected in sample water where massive fish die-off occurred, says #Tianjin’s environmental watchdog pic.twitter.com/hkeykoc8RK
— CCTVNEWS (@cctvnews) August 20, 2015
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Rod of God
there won't be any cyanide foam in OUR streets if you elect me ... let's make America great again ! (Trumpite-bitchez !)
No what?
… The two men - a Mr. Yu and a Mr. Dong - have Party ties
Their full names are Yu Eat Dung and Lo Hung Dong. ;-)
Looney
"Mysterious white foam." That stuff'll eat the rubber right off the rims. IN fact, it will even eat the asphalt.
That last picture looks more like a some jizz, or some pecker tracks.
Sushi from China is off my menu. (then again, it always was)
Sum Ting Wong
Looks like deodorant infused pit sweat on the car interior.
Piss! That foam aint nothing but your standard run of the mill off the shelf 'Scrubbing McMutherfuckin Bubbles'..."We do the work so you dont have to" you know...
FUKUPPY, your Japanese friend from Fukushima says, "It's a normal phenomenon when rain falls, and similar things have occurred
before."
Your government loves you, and cares about your health and well being!
Of course they say the damn bubbles are normal. Look at this (shitty voice over I know).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImOyLoxTZ2U
Looks like a fraternity prank.
More ooze coming out of a street:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-cqbjcVBqY
Also they have red rivers, yellow ones, anything you can imagine. There would be more if the smog allowed filming and filmmakers didn't get shot.
Long term thinking? Lol.
pods
Some Crafty Chinese Dude Already Has His Eye On Exporting Those Dead Fish To Restaurants Around The World...
"Honey, why does the drywall smell like almond flavored fish?"
It was Kaiser Soze. Seen this movie before. Big spodiation down at the docks. Everybody and everything blown to bits.
EPA regulations export global environmental stewardship to the lowest common denominator on the planet. Way to go EPA!!!! Keep on exporting responsibility to places that don't give a F. Are they going to outlaw air and ocean currents to keep us safey safe from this stuff now?
Look at al those fish that drowned - Oh the humanity
"Eat your peas, dear."
David Lo Pan rules the underworld in China. Things no one has ever seen before.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=big+trouble+in+little+china...
Ex-A-Lent!
Yeah we are dangerous here.
You know that guy was in some silk boxers jumping up to get some lube when he saw the fire and the chick was laying on the bed with nothing on other than a line of coke that looked like the third base line at Fenway.
pods
European chicks got enough length you can duplicate the lines at Comerica.
Huh, I figured Fukuppy would have 3 or 5 eyes by now.
Fuck Uppy, the mascot...beyond belief...
wouldn't believe it but yes, it really is a TEPCO PR promo..
New and Improved Cia-Oxy Clean! Available now!
+1 for tmesis technique
https://youtu.be/nK5fKFFqJe4
Local MENU:
Peking Cyanide Duck...
General Tao Cyanide Chicken...
Chicken Chow Cyanide...
White Foam Weasel
now that country of origin labels no longer exist how would you know?
This does not look good. If the NaCN was spread out all over and the pH of the rain is low, you will evolve HCN. Waste pipes probably run right to the water, so storm drains no doubt do.
That would explain the fish die off. If people were reporting sickness, shortness of breath, and passing out I would say HCN was pretty highly concentrated.
The foam is probably one of the other myriad of chemicals that were dispersed. If that foam was the result of some type of hydrophobic material, it could settle on top of the water and reduce gas exchange, again, killing the fish.
The problem is that this is China. They have focused on the 700 tons of NaCN. That is not what blew up. There were probably thousands of tons of other feedstock materials for their chem plant.
So there is no way to tell exactly what this is.
A gigantic clusterfuck of lethal proportions. You could not pay me to suit up and go there.
pods
Hm... Could be Mucus from people spitting.
I used to work in TEDA (the part of Tianjin that blew up) for 6 mnths...left there 18 months ago.... would never go back (and that was before the explosion!)
s33ndp,
What industry are you in?
I left in April of last year.
Sent you a contact request.
Back to killin' snakes
IT side of banking... a very strange place for an Investment bank to be!
Probably something to do with all the tax breaks they got to be there + a free office!
They need a nuclear meltdown at a nearby reactor to counteract the problem.
A little gas chromatography work and they'll know everything that's in this and in what concentrations. Not rocket science anymore.
I would not want to gum up my MS with loading that shit through. There are probably 40 analytes there in varying concentrations.
Then you would also have to figure out what came from where.
pods
You would never have to worry about gumming up your MS in the Port of Tianjin, pods.
The ex-police chief's son owns the shipping company and Sinochem (a state-owned enterprise) is involved, therefore: nothing dangerous to look for, and nothing will ever be detected.
In the U.S., everyone would worry about being sued. In China, everyone is worried about keeping their jobs or government positions. Besides, the other name for whistleblowers in China is 'organ donors'. The entire mess will be cleaned up as quickly and quietly as possible, the media will be muzzeled and a few low-level bureaucrats will be thrown under the bus.
There's the minor, odd cultural differences between China and the U.S. in covering up incompetence, corruption and graft, but the process is fundamentally the same. For a recent U.S. example, one needs to look no further than the State of Colorado, the EPA and their crony remediation contractors and Kinross Gold.
Don't ask don't tell.
You could do an extraction and run the water-soluble fraction through an IC to find out what salts are there. Do IR on the organics to see what hydrocarbons are present. Do metals digestion and run it through an ICP to see what metals are there. From there you can start narrowing it down, but it won't be an easy thing - and the composition could change depending on where you take samples. Plus, if there were a lot of complex organics involved or produced by the explosion, those might already have degraded. It isn't so simple when the entire periodic chart might be present, and things change by the hour or by the meter.
"and you have 8 hours to do this, and only 20 mgs of sample"
Oh wait, that is where I work.
You could run a LL extraction and run on LC/MS, ICP MS on the aqueous phase, then run headspace GC/MS for VOCs, but there is just oodles of shit it could be. Most stuff you would never really know. You could pick out ring structures, functional groups, etc, but it would be like smashing lego vehicles together and trying to determine what they were before you smashed them.
Probably easier to beat the owners and make them give you their second set of books. The ones that actually had chems and quantities. If this was a secret sub of the state run chem company, could be thousands of chemicals.
From the one explosion videos, you can hear small pops during the fire, which could be drums going off. But those big ones had to be bulk storage tanks.
Before pictures would tell a lot.
pods
Found one. Check page six of this thead, about halfway down (Pashalis):
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,39259.75.html
Looks like a lot of the same containers have been there for awhile, if you check the fence line above the crater. Still, a lot of time elapsed so hard to tell exactly what was there and for how long.
Thanks for the pic. It looks like a shipping yard. I would guess there had to be some semi truck sized tanks of something nasty that cooked off. It is China though. If they had 700 tons onsite of NaCN and were supposed to have 24 it tells me business was slow and they were stockpiling stuff.
Probably anything the parent company used was there.
pods
Thanks for the article. I also found this one from the Guardian, which estimated that there were 1,000+ tons of nitrates stored on site:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/18/tianjin-blasts-warehouse-ha...
Also, I note that they estimated that the explosion was 4400 tons of TNT. I had tried doing a real basic probit analysis, modeling the area as a flat surface, and could not get a ~300 yard 'kill radius,' which matched the close-up video of the poor soul who live-streamed the blast killing him. I figure I need to work on the model more, but given what we're learning about the storage site, the explosive energy is probably bigger than the official number.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsBg2zQsFZU
I'm going to
Take a look at the B I G explosions set up to calibrate estimated yeilds of nukes. Most of the clip attempts to show that nukes are a fear and financial fountain, based on fraud..given how much else of our entire paradigm is fake, could well be..
The Nuclear Scare Scam | Galen Winsor - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejCQrOTE-XA&feature=player_embedded
What If Nuclear Weapons Are Another Giant Hoax? | TABU; Towards A Better Understanding
http://tabublog.com/2015/08/07/what-if-nuclear-weapons-are-another-giant...
Send the EPA over to fix..
Shipping containers stacked 8 high, completely covering a six acre site. loaded with calcium carbide and methylisocyanate (in addition to God knows what else). One produces acetylene gas when wet, the other... Same stuff as Bhopal. No emergency plan, no inventory control no segregation of incompatible chemicals. Those poor firefighters never stood a chance. The stacked containers probably mitigated the final money shot explosion by funneling some of the blast upwards. And these are the people who will dominate the world?
Corruption and lawlessness is already ruling the world..has the world's reserve currency to prove it (fuck yeah!)
What they need is COREXIT! I like thin layer on all of my wildlife.
When we were stuck in Shanghai a couple of years ago, a local newspaper had an article how most of the cooking grease being used was recycled straight out of the sewer pipes, which was big business. I could assume a grease interceptor being pilfered, but the pictures showed people doing this in the streets. If this sounds disgusting, it is. No idea how China's storm and waste sewer systems work, I do know how it works in SoCal (storm drains and sewer are separate). This toxic rain getting into the grease recycling sounds like true madness, which it does mix when it rains hard in LA. Backflow preventers, pipes tied to the wrong pipes, it can all go wrong quickly. China doesn't stand out to me like they build anything properly.
On a sidenote the only time we ever had to go through the special second customs screening line coming back into the States was because our passports were stamped in China. I always ask questions and then hint at things, and I know I hit the mark when the guy grinned. Normally its just a Go Lakers to the guys and they wave us through. Are airports in the States scanning people coming back from China for anything peculiar in the last week?
Also note, even if the 'no cyanide in the water' is accurate (probably not, Wikipedia's sources note that they were storing 70x more cyanide than legally permitted), there are still plenty of chemicals that can generate enough chemical oxygen demand (COD) for a massive fish dieoff. And said chemicals are not friendly; hundreds of tons of ammonium and potassium nitrates were stored on site (probable source of explosion), and sulfur oxides were also detected, all of which can cause acid rain.
If they had chlorine at all, there are also a number of potential highly-persistent carcinogens that will hang around the area for decades. The chemical industry is serious business.
With all the fallout the river is probably cleaner now than it was prior to the explosion.
"Everything will be fabulous."
No, not in our streets. We reserve it for our rivers and water basins (with a little help from our EPA).
doubt it.
Cyanide sharknado.
You win.
Look NaCN + acid -> NaSalt + HCN (a gas)
Cyanaide gas is reported to smell like almonds. It is lethal at ~3000 ppm (0.3%).
A white film is not HCN, which is a gas. I would almost guarantee that the Chinese know exactly what this is, it would take the US Army minutes to characterize by GC/MS, FTIR or a wet chemical method (if a salt).
Why no mention of KCN, potassium cyanide, also used in gold refining. That white foam could be a hydrolysis reaction after the sodium hydroxide (lye) being sprayed on the ground as a decontaminant reacts with the cyanide powder already on roadways and in the soil and with water from rainfall. Tianjin is not a healthy place to be.
Not likely. The pH of the rain in China is almost certainly acidic with the levels of pollution seen there. If this was NaCN or KCN the outcome would be HCN gas when mixed. And that has an odor of almonds below the lethal threshold. No eports of the smell.
They know what it is, they just aren't saying.
Ash?
Probably some type of plastics feedstock. Or the combustion products of same.
Probably a lot of benzene rings floating around that city now.
I would like to see a pic of that site before it blew, to see how many tanks/tankers were onsite.
pods
Not plastic; however, EO (ethylene oxide) will blow like gasoline.
I guess you kind of missed where I said "plastics feedstocks" so I will say it again.
Plastics FEEDSTOCKS.
pods
I miss a lot of stuff, pods. I'm an old guy. What can I tell ya'.
My bad. Sorry for being a dick, seems I am getting too wound up lately.
My little brother just had a baby so we put off our week at the beach. That might be it.
Or the ongoing depression.
Either way, my bad.
pods
No worries. Congrats, 'Uncle.' Speaking of wound up, my wife won't let me watch the news when I get home every day. I get way too hot. Just can't believe how dysfunctional everything seems to be.
Thanks. Wonder what was in the River in Ohio when it caught fire in the 1970s or whatever. No Doubt American Cities have had Foam like this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River (The reach from Akron to Cleveland was devoid of fish)
"At least 13 fires have been reported on the Cuyahoga River, the first occurring in 1868.[12] The largest river fire in 1952 caused over $1 million in damage to boats, a bridge, and a riverfront office building.[dead link][13] On June 22, 1969, a river fire captured the attention of Time magazine, which described the Cuyahoga as the river that "oozes rather than flows" and in which a person "does not drown but decays".[14] The fire did eventually spark major changes as well as the article from Time, but in the immediate aftermath very little attention was given to the incident and was not considered a major news story in the Cleveland media. Furthermore, the conflagration that sparked Time's outrage was in June 1969, but the pictures they displayed on the cover and as part of the article were from the much more dangerous and costly 1952 fire. No pictures of the 1969 fire are known to exist, as local media did not arrive on the scene until after the fire was under control. The 1969 fire caused approximately $50,000 in damage, mostly to an adjacent railroad bridge.[12]"
For some reason I thought it was Toledo...
Heavy Industry and Agriculture and Canals must have contributed... but don't really see the info.
Detroit River: The good, the bad, the ugly - Toledo Blade
www.toledoblade.com/ local/ 2014/ 11/ 17/
Nov 17, 2014 ... DETROIT — To many Toledoans, the Detroit River is just another ... Urban Industrial Rivers That Caught Fire, stands on part of the Detroit River
http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=91;t=0... (Is it true that Lake Erie became so polluted at one point that it set fire from lightning striking?)
Blogger: The rivers in the major cities of the Great Lakes caught on fire many times in Chicago, Duluth, Milwaukee, Detroit, Buffalo, Toledo...
Most of those fires were due to some kind of petroleum distillates. When in contact with water, they float on top being lighter and immiscible.
We did a pretty good job of cleaning up that kind of pollution. Now we are just starting to address the excess salt runoff into waterways. Phosphates are choking everything.
pods
Pods is on fire today...
Baby formula.
Mmm, melamine!
Baby formula.
The mix of sodium hydroxide and cyanide salts would cause the scrubbing bubble effect when there is water present of whatever pH. Hydrolysis reactions usually work that way. Take baking soda (basic) and add it to orange juice (acidic) and see what happens. That almond odor you mention requires a highly concentrated acid solution, as in a gas chamber. But you are the expert, pass on your misinformation. The danger at Tianjin, as at the World Trade Center as Ground Zero burned, are the combustion products and nanometer sized particles that can leak through an N95 filter mask. Sub 50 nm particles contaminated with hazardous chemicals can be hazardous to your health unless you are a wearing a "spacesuit" complete with an independent oxygen supply.
Could you speculate as to what it is? What's your opinion about what it is?
Organophosphate compounds of the type used in insecticides. Stuff like Dursban, a pesticide outlawed in the USA for about 15 years because, among other negatives, exposure to this poison causes brain cancers in humans.
Yu no wowee...
Fishing Rod of God
I think the "Rod of God" might have gone over the head (pardon the pun) of some people.
I seriously doubt it was that weapon, due to the fact that the fires were already burning and were videoed doing such. That's one hell of a secondary explosion and I doubt it could have been planned so well, even by the pros.
Deez Nuts
I am going to name my Death metal band "Cyanide Thunderstorm" is it taken?
Sorry, Cyanide Thunderstorm is already the name for the government security exercise in Texas next summer.
Make it crossover punk and go for it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx97LYMWjdI
Mr. Dong!
is very Wong!
Could it be Long Duck Dong?
Or Dr. Wu?
We talk about corruption, nepotism and sleaze in the West, but China outdoes us on these counts!
An officer of the People's Republic will pay you a visit, don't go anywhere.
Sure, when we destroy a river, it for good. foreward! Its how you get a cleaner america.
China is just corrupt.
Sure, when we destroy a river, its for good. foreward! Its how you get a cleaner america.
China is just corrupt.
the rod of god is indeed awesome; burning foam and fish doom. Who knows whats next.
Yeah, but Neptune gets really ticked off when WE do it.
I'm guessing those fish will be processed into Alpo.
Head's up Granny
Dammit! I feed my dog Alpo. Now, you got me worried. Don't be saying that kind of shit. My wife will see this and make me started feeding our dog steak. Ya killin' me, man. Ya gonna kill me.
Dont doubt it. Oh sure they will filter out the higher levels though.
Yu Dong? Really?
This is bullish for China just because.
I see an anti-aircraft gun execution in Mr. Yu and a Mr. Dong's future....oh, wrong country...
I liked the mortar shell one better.
Talk about operating under a lot of tension. What happens to the shell jockeys if they have a short round?
And I suspect that Mr. Yu and Mr. Dong are still shills for the even deeper owners. Probably both dying of cancer already and anxious to leave a little something behind for the missus.
Between China's ridiculous "environmental" record and Japan's ridiculous siting of nuclear power plants, the Pacific Ocean is in its death throes, if not already flatlined.
Thining the herd... no mystery there folks.
+1
Mr Dong is Sum Ting Wong?
While China reinvents the meaning of "environmental disaster", going long burn cream and rain jackets
I'm sure the white foam is COMPLETELY harmless...
It might make for a nice foam topping on top of a yummy cappuccino!
The foam cleans up smog particles in the air. The fish do the same for the water, they're not dead, they're sleeping after having worked so hard to save the proud people of China from chemical annihilation.
I think you're both right. As a public service I forwarded your expert commentaries to HuffPo and the Food Network.
The fish are just sleepy weepy.
https://youtu.be/SEtG7Vb38w4?t=23s
Its not being reported by BBC on either the front page nor on the 'Asia' section.
Nothing to see here move along!
Fooking joo media!
Revelations 2.9 & 3.9
Tis but a flesh wound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikssfUhAlgg
Clean up jobs.
They should not have a bug problem this year...all those chemicals are killing all of them off....birds too....no more pidgeons in the central park anymore I bet....
So long food chain, no worries, in China we just eat each other.
Discounts this year on locally farmed Tilapia and Shrimp.
Mr. Yu and Mr. Dong, please prepare your organs for harvesting while the execution van rolls in for a quick visit.
Mr. Won Hung Long-Dong? He owns a dry cleaners there in Tianjin doesn't he? just askin.
wtf! it'll only kill you in an agonizing death if you touch it, smell it, see it, hear it, hear about it, eat it, drink it, think about it, read about it, know someone that did any of the preceeding. look @ the brighter side, it's probably demoralizing the mosquito probagation in the area. hell, between Vietnams Agent Orange, thousands of unexploded bombs, China's Tianjin Xyklon B rain, Japan's Fuckashima Death Ray, and North Korea's threat to unleash "Weapons the World has never Seen Before", i think Myrtle Beach is sounding better all the time, no?
Until El Hiro & La Plama send a 70m tsunami over you ;)
http://www.tsunami-alarm-system.com/en/phenomenon-tsunami/occurrences-at...
Yeah, I suppose..Myrtle Beach is nice...but you forgot to figure in the wild marauding Blax...theres none of them in China...compared to them, dealing with a murderous foam looks pretty good.
Yu Kno Likey Chocolate Bike Week?
:)well hell. i was going to respond to the "marauding Blax(?)" post as; "do you mean by Blax, the dangerous marauding herds of BIKERS-ON- Elax, during Biker Week @ MB.(?) Now that would be some fucking dangerous shit to be around:)
Man, that is a lot of fish that were afraid to be captured and decided to bite the pill.
That is heavenly sea foam. Young Chinese women use it as a aphrodisiac to attract wealthy party sugar dadas.
Most Auspicious Sign for the Future of CCP.
And now they all have their E-mail addresses from the Ashley Madison Data.
heavenly sea foam...
I was thinking more along the lines of "manna from above". Just be sure to not collect more than a daily dose.
Off Topic:
"The decision-making and operational mechanics of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) are a black box, but it is known that the CCP has its summer retreats at Beidaihe, a seaside locale in Hebei Province that is 180 miles from the nation’s capital. There, at the beach, they set policy goals each year.
Shrouded in the strictest secrecy, there’s no way of knowing what exactly is on the agenda at the Beidaihe meetings. Think of them as China’s Bilderberg meetings, where people of power meet regularly but nobody can say why."
This is why we have over the horizon listening capabilities , as well as fly sized drones.
The most effective method of data collection is befriending them on 'Facebook ' ,however.
Kung Pau is a riot on the waterslide.
--General Mayhem
At least they won't have any stray cats and dogs after this.
Bad, Very bad. Strays are natural food distribution system.
True. In Phoenix, 40% of a coyote's diet is housecats.
Not according to research
"The most common food items were small rodents (42%), fruit (23%), deer (22%), and rabbit (18%). (Scats often have more than one diet item; therefore, frequencies do not necessarily add up to 100%). Apparently, the majority of coyotes in our study area do not, in fact, rely on pets or garbage for their diets."
http://urbancoyoteresearch.com/about-coyotes
Long Duk Dong....
"No more yankie my wankie....The donger need food...."
Only a strong central government and compliant populace can bring about the end of economic and environmental recklessness.
At least that's the utopian pap I keep hearing.
It's true. The germans were very successful at it, and even made the trains run on time.
Nice try at disguising your "Hitler analogy." According to Godwin's law, you lose the argument.
Wrong, you should definitely leave environmental safety to individuals and corporations. Because they care.
This is why that mine in Colorado needed to be cleaned up by the EPA in the first place. Right?
At least, that's the capitalist/PossibilityOfUpwardMobility pap I keep hearing.
The mine was abandoned in 1923.
Future fish-burgers.
Today's China pollution will be more exciting than the usual China pollution?
Why hasn't someone not affiliated with the party media tested this water? It's not like they have to go anywhere. The shit is falling from the sky and running down the street. Worst cover up in history and everyone is standing around saying "Yup, probably not safe, yup."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanide_fishing
700 tons of cynaide ........
The buildings and streets should be squeaky clean.
What's left of them.
I wonder what the REAL death toll is.
putin regime had this to reply in press conference:
https://youtu.be/S4uVcptN1Lo?t=1m45s
Did you see all the Americunts fapping furiously over at Yahoo! using all the MSM approved talking points to describe Putin and Russia?
Imagine the fantabulous economic MIRACLE that the Ukrainians are experiencing by contrast!
Open mouth. Breathe. Repeat.