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Paul Krugman "What Ails The World Right Now Is That Governments Aren’t Deep Enough In Debt"

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This was written by a Nobel prize winning economist without a trace or sarcasm, irony or humor. It is excerpted, and presented without commentary.

From the NYT:

Debt Is Good

... the point simply that public debt isn’t as bad as legend has it? Or can government debt actually be a good thing?

Believe it or not, many economists argue that the economy needs a sufficient amount of public debt out there to function well. And how much is sufficient? Maybe more than we currently have. That is, there’s a reasonable argument to be made that part of what ails the world economy right now is that governments aren’t deep enough in debt.

I know that may sound crazy. After all, we’ve spent much of the past five or six years in a state of fiscal panic, with all the Very Serious People declaring that we must slash deficits and reduce debt now now now or we’ll turn into Greece, Greece I tell you.

But the power of the deficit scolds was always a triumph of ideology over evidence, and a growing number of genuinely serious people — most recently Narayana Kocherlakota, the departing president of the Minneapolis Fed — are making the case that we need more, not less, government debt.

Why?

One answer is that issuing debt is a way to pay for useful things, and we should do more of that when the price is right. The United States suffers from obvious deficiencies in roads, rails, water systems and more; meanwhile, the federal government can borrow at historically low interest rates. So this is a very good time to be borrowing and investing in the future, and a very bad time for what has actually happened: an unprecedented decline in public construction spending adjusted for population growth and inflation.

Beyond that, those very low interest rates are telling us something about what markets want. I’ve already mentioned that having at least some government debt outstanding helps the economy function better. How so? The answer, according to M.I.T.’s Ricardo Caballero and others, is that the debt of stable, reliable governments provides “safe assets” that help investors manage risks, make transactions easier and avoid a destructive scramble for cash.

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[L]ow interest rates, Mr. Kocherlakota declares, are a problem. When interest rates on government debt are very low even when the economy is strong, there’s not much room to cut them when the economy is weak, making it much harder to fight recessions.  There may also be consequences for financial stability: Very low returns on safe assets may push investors into too much risk-taking — or for that matter encourage another round of destructive Wall Street hocus-pocus.

What can be done? Simply raising interest rates, as some financial types keep demanding (with an eye on their own bottom lines), would undermine our still-fragile recovery. What we need are policies that would permit higher rates in good times without causing a slump. And one such policy, Mr. Kocherlakota argues, would be targeting a higher level of debt.

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Now, in principle the private sector can also create safe assets, such as deposits in banks that are universally perceived as sound....

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At this point we stopped reading.

 

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Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:02 | 6453265 J Jason Djfmam
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A ball-peen hammer?

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:07 | 6453296 Son of Captain Nemo
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My apologies and thank you for the correction.

I forgot to mention the word "murder" in that sentence as well!

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:37 | 6453507 Arnold
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Really?

A gandy dancer and a maul would not be enough.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 19:09 | 6453882 J Jason Djfmam
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Well, I could supply the ball-peen hammer, I have several.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:02 | 6453252 Two Theives and...
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He must make commissions on Bond purchases...take the Nobel out of your a$$ dude!

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:02 | 6453261 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Go fuck yourself, Krugman!

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:02 | 6453264 BurningBetty
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Paul Krugman = Jim Cramer = Comical Ali,

same shit, different wrapping.

 

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:07 | 6453307 crazybob369
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You forgot Baghdad Bob.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:34 | 6453491 Benjamin123
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That would be Comical Ali.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:02 | 6453268 pashley1411
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On the plus side, this socket-puppet for the money-printing oligarchs will be soon, and easily, replaced; with a fem-bot in the Kardiashan model running on discarded Atari parts and 2 "D" batteries.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:02 | 6453269 KingOfMilwaukee
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I know what I am about to day sounds bad.. but I really wish he would get his head cut off by ISIS.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:11 | 6453335 Sanity Bear
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that's terrible!

 

how could you advocate that??

 

without adding "very slowly with a rusty butter knife"???

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 20:09 | 6454088 Chandos
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«I know what I am about to day sounds bad.. but I really wish he would get his head cut off by ISIS.»

 

I'm sure Rita Katz could make an excellent production of the whole thing...

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:03 | 6453270 pashley1411
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dup

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:24 | 6453272 Ham-bone
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Warped beyond belief...perpetual substitution of debt to attempt (and fail) to hit centrally determined levels of consumption...all this in the face of declining rates of consumer demand.  Wish I had a PhD and a medal.

Or there's the real world...

Given the complete collapse of high consumer nations population growth and slight slowdown of low consumer nation population gains...the current 10yr period we enter represents about an est. 45% decline in new consumption from the previous 10yr period.  By the time we get to '25-'34 net new est. consumption drops by 90%+ due to significant declines among high consumer populations not adequately offset by low consumer growth.


However, this really underestimates the rate of consumption slowdown due to the lack of population growth...as the marginal population growth sparks so much activity.  It requires new infrastructure (highways, water & electricity grid buildups, hospitals)...it requires new homes and all the stuff to fill them...etc. etc.  Without the high consumer population growth, overall activity tends to fall significantly more than anticipated and the knock on effects to low consumer nations (intent on moving to high consumption via exports to high consumption nations) crashes and burns.

This is a once in a millennia paradigm shift...time to re-examine and rethink everything we think we know.

http://econimica.blogspot.com/2015/08/population-growth-will-never-be-fix-to.html

Sat, 08/22/2015 - 02:20 | 6454776 dr.charlemagne
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yep, but growth is only necessary in a debt based ponzi

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:03 | 6453274 poldark
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Who is sitting on trillions of $/£ to lend governments.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:15 | 6453360 GRDguy
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It's created from thin-air to buy legal title. It's called "privatization," where certain people are able to USE this newly created fake money to buy real things. If we did that, we would go to jail. It's called "legal rights to plunder."

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:22 | 6453399 Kprime
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next they will claim right of first night.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:03 | 6453275 Guitarbill
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Holy Shit-for-brains Batman!

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:03 | 6453276 Chuck Knoblauch
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Obozo's surrender flag is up Paul's ass.

I was wondering where it was.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:03 | 6453278 Turin Turambar
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Would somebody please toss this guy in a woodchipper and spare us his stupidity?

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:03 | 6453279 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Isn''t Krugman a Kike name?

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:08 | 6453297 Chuck Knoblauch
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He's more of a Trotsky Bolshevik.

Or, a Jacob Schiff sock puppet.

Both are applicable.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:09 | 6453314 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Same thing

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:04 | 6453284 NYPoke
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Exponential Duochebaggery

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:05 | 6453286 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Krugman screams  ''Do you know I am a Holocaust survivor''??

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

MEGA PUKE FACTOR 9 BEX ALERT - Study of Holocaust survivors finds trauma passed on to children's genes

 

 

Genetic changes stemming from the trauma suffered by Holocaust survivors are capable of being passed on to their children, the clearest sign yet that one person’s life experience can affect subsequent generations.

 

"See? See? Now you have to KEEP on giving us money, forever and ever and ever and ever and ever ..." -- Nodding Yahoo

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 18:13 | 6453686 general ambivalent
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Understand your sentiment and the potential manipulation of it, but epigenetics is a very real thing. Think about it, if a person is born in a certain traumatic environment their genes have to be altered to endure that trauma, and potentially for generations. Many past generations would die from just having to experience the world we live in today.

As a comparison you can look into experiments on crows. Crows can pass on their genetics of what may be a potentially friendly or dangerous human. They test this with distinctive masks and it is passed on genetically only after a few generations. Not at all reliant on the young seeing these masks and learning behavioural responses.

Sat, 08/22/2015 - 15:31 | 6456185 TheAnswerIs42
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While Epigenetics is real, your understanding of it is quite flawed and inaccurrate.

 

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:05 | 6453289 lehmen_sisters
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LOL this guy is a fuck face. 

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:06 | 6453290 Infinite QE
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Krugman is Cramer crossed with Woody Allen.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:08 | 6453291 22winmag
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Clearly it's time to bring back floggings in the public square... or beheadings in the public square for those of you with a guillotine fetish.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:48 | 6453570 IndyPat
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Or a great big fucking microwave oven.

Roll him up in aluminum foil if ya want the disco light show version.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:06 | 6453294 PrimalScream
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HAS Krugman been to Athens lately?  How's that Government debt working out?

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:08 | 6453309 Gab Timov
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Guess the Greeks should have borrowed moar.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 19:26 | 6453944 Arnold
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Oh, they are.

There isn't two free drachma there to rub together.

 

Bid on an Island, what the heck.

 

http://www.ibtimes.com/chinese-bidders-buy-islands-greece-canada-fiji-on...

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:07 | 6453301 Gab Timov
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Krugman would put more stones in his backback if he wasn't climbing the mountain quick enough. Good for building muscles! It'll get us there faster eventually!

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:09 | 6453322 J Jason Djfmam
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What he really needs to be saying is that the government needs to create money itself, and leave the fed out of the equation. Fuck Them!

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:08 | 6453308 atthelake
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Why has this man not been struck by lightening?

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:09 | 6453312 George Washington
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If poking self in eye with stick hurts ... NEED A BIGGER STICK AND TO POKE HARDER!

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:13 | 6453328 George Washington
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The same thing is true with U.S. foreign policy ...

former Associated Press and Newsweek reporter Robert Parry wrote:

There is a “little-old-lady-who-swallowed-the-fly” quality to neocon thinking. When one of their schemes goes bad, they simply move to a bigger, more dangerous scheme.

 

If the Palestinians and Lebanon’s Hezbollah persist in annoying you and troubling Israel, you target their sponsors with “regime change” – in Iraq, Syria and Iran. If your “regime change” in Iraq goes badly, you
escalate the subversion of Syria and the bankrupting of Iran. [See Consortiumnews.com’s “The Mysterious Why of the Iraq War.”]

 

Just when you think you’ve cornered President Barack Obama into a massive bombing campaign against Syria – with a possible follow-on war against Iran – Putin steps in to give Obama a peaceful path out, getting Syria to surrender its chemical weapons and Iran to
agree to constraints on its nuclear program.

 

So, this Obama-Putin collaboration has become your new threat. That means you take aim at Ukraine, knowing its sensitivity to Russia. [For details, see Consortiumnews.com’s “What Neocons Want from Ukraine Crisis.”]

 

You support an uprising against elected President Viktor Yanukovych, even though neo-Nazi militias are needed to accomplish the actual coup.

You get the U.S. State Department to immediately recognize the coup regime although it disenfranchises many people of eastern and southern Ukraine, where Yanukovych had his political base.

 

When Putin steps in to protect the interests of those ethnic Russian populations and supports the secession of Crimea (endorsed by 96 percent of voters in a hastily called referendum), your target shifts again.
Though you’ve succeeded in your plan to drive a wedge between Obama and Putin, Putin’s resistance to your Ukraine plans makes him the next focus of “regime change.”

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:15 | 6453359 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Thats the President of the United States, Bibi Netanyahu's plan in full.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 19:51 | 6453959 Arnold
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", no NewsOutlet has been voted #1 Moron on ZH for 6 months running!  lol!"

--dreadnaught 07/04/15

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/users/newsoutlet

 

But with you HJ he had some glimmer , despite your loong self generated background history.

You are closing in on it, add something besides stupid anti Jew shit.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:36 | 6453504 Son of Captain Nemo
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GW

That's why you have penalties for perjury when high ranking officials of the Federal government betray the public trust  they swear an oath to protect!

Instant death penalty for all of them including Parry when they lie to take you to war (bankrupting you in the process) and kill a few million including their own!

If we did those types of things you think it would make it stop?!!!

Sat, 08/22/2015 - 09:15 | 6455088 Maxter
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Well if the stick is big enough, he won't be able to poke his eye with it and actualy hit his head instead!

This guy is a genius!

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:27 | 6453316 SSRI Junkie
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look at the size of the tumor growing on that poor cat

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:17 | 6453319 Dr. Engali
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Why is it he never tells us how much debt will fix the problem? No matter how much debt gets issued the answer is always : moar. And when it doesn't work the bearded potato says it's because we didn't borrow enough.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:23 | 6453391 coast
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Dr Engall:  I gladly give you the answer to your most interesting question....Here is your answer:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:09 | 6453321 Usura
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Since all government debt initially flows through central banking, the jew Krugman is indirectly arguing for more central banking power and influence.

I found a new website that helps to explain all this:

http://www.dailystormer.com/

 

 

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:11 | 6453332 general ambivalent
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Makes sense when you think about it... or don't think about it.

He carries a cat!

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:11 | 6453337 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Time for big Reset

New law

Keep all JEWS out of ALL financial matters of a nation.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:12 | 6453346 Chuck Knoblauch
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A simple loyalty oath would suffice.

And a RFID chip implant.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:51 | 6453586 Tejano
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Been tried...without the chip, though. Didn't work. Won't work.

You'd be better of just dispensing with the State.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:16 | 6453365 tarabel
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That's going to really fuck up Amsterdam and turn Holland into a Muslim ghetto.

Okay, even MORE of a Muslim ghetto.

Bang your head.

Five times a day.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:23 | 6453407 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Hey fuckface,   I haven't seen any Muslims around here.  Just lots of blond haired blueeyed kids.

You really enjoy believing myths.

How about your country of niggers and spics?

How is that going?

 

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:17 | 6453372 Benjamin123
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As a Jew myself (whatever that means) i concur. Jews should be banned from all finances and government positions in all countries.

Would that be enough or Auschwitz still needs to reopen, eh Dutchboy?

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:19 | 6453383 Heywood Jahblohmee
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WASHINGTON, GEORGE, in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co. "They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 19:22 | 6453909 BigJim
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"The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for giving to Mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection, should demean themselves as good citizens.

May the Children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit under his own vine and fig tree, and there shall be none to make him afraid. "

Fuck off. I wouldn't be remotely surprised to discover you were a hasbara Israeli yourself, attempting to discredit the site with your cartoonish "anti-Semitism".

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:20 | 6453386 Heywood Jahblohmee
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I thought I smelled some pig shit and lo and behold , Mr.Kikeroach shows up

Yes, reopen Auschwitz but this time use REAL ovens and gas and not just a labour camp

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:24 | 6453410 Benjamin123
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So whats the point in banning them from finance if they are dead anyway? Make up your mind man.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 19:22 | 6453924 BigJim
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 I thought I smelled some pig shit and lo and behold , Mr.Kikeroach shows up

Fuck off. I wouldn't be remotely surprised to discover you were a hasbara Israeli yourself, attempting to discredit the site with your cartoonish "anti-Semitism".

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:14 | 6453338 Chuck Knoblauch
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Surrender, you Capitalist pigs!

Your gulag archipeligo awaits.

Sign your organ donor card.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:13 | 6453340 Yen Cross
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 Krugman needs to quit writing op-ed pieces at 2:00 a.m. after drinking a 5th of Kamchatka Vodka.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:11 | 6453341 Talleyrand
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You couldn't make this shit up, but he can. And, he gets away with it. I just don't understand how this can be. It is disheartening.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:12 | 6453345 Turdy Brown
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It's because of ass clowns like this that people all over the world are losing their asses!  This guy is s mentally retarded bufoon.  Even dumber than this fuck-nut is the Noble Prize Committee.  How on earth can they give this guy a Nobel Prize?  Really?  My 11 year old knows more about economics that this fuck tard!  Unbelievable that people like this are actually "admired" in the main stream press!  What have we become, people?  I'm just sitting here scratching my head in dis-belief!

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:14 | 6453357 Omega_Man
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is he on the goldman payroll?

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:15 | 6453362 Who was that ma...
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Krugman is just covering his ass, he's trying to deflect blame from himself so that when the entire house of cards, that he helped build, collapses, he can say... "See, I told you so, should have listened to me and printed more confetti and everything would have been fine."  What an asshole.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:16 | 6453367 f16hoser
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This guy is a real Turd. Stinky...

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:17 | 6453368 appocean
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all in.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:17 | 6453373 Ludwig Von
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Krugman only pretends to be Keynsian. He doesn 't understand shit of Keynes. He is just an opportunist like all the rest of the DC parasites.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:18 | 6453376 nmewn
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This pole smoker is a professor of "economics" ladies & gentlemen.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:18 | 6453378 Heywood Jahblohmee
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WASHINGTON, GEORGE, in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co. "They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:23 | 6453400 Benjamin123
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There were barely any jews in the US at the time of the war of independence. At most a few dutch sephardics, as they were also in London, and the odd polish jew. Such as the Rothschold representative that funded Washington, Chaim Solomon.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:29 | 6453452 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Jews came in after the War of Independence and saw a chance to control the nations finances by starting private central banks. 

This is what G. Washington, Jefferson and Frankllind warned about.

Jews hate work   they are leeches and parasites.

Right up to this very day.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:29 | 6453453 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Jews came in after the War of Independence and saw a chance to control the nations finances by starting private central banks. 

This is what G. Washington, Jefferson and Frankllind warned about.

Jews hate work   they are leeches and parasites.

Right up to this very day.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:31 | 6453469 Benjamin123
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After? There was at least one there during the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haym_Salomon

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:33 | 6453488 Heywood Jahblohmee
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One kikeroach and then many.   Kikeroaches multiply fast when they smell MONEY.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:23 | 6453401 Benjamin123
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There were barely any jews in the US at the time of the war of independence. At most a few dutch sephardics, as they were also in London, and the odd polish jew. Such as the Rothschold representative that funded Washington, Chaim Solomon.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:27 | 6453436 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Am I supposed to believe a Jew who are pathologial liars and disinfo agents?

 

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:29 | 6453455 Benjamin123
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You are free to believe. You have that right.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:32 | 6453482 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Thanks, Kike boy

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 19:19 | 6453912 BigJim
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Fuck off. I wouldn't be remotely surprised to discover you were a hasbara Israeli yourself, attempting to discredit the site with your cartoonish "anti-Semitism".

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:32 | 6453483 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Thanks, Kike boy

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:18 | 6453380 indaknow
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Friday humor?

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:28 | 6453445 NotApplicable
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And Saturday, and Sunday, and Monday...

What I wouldn't give to watch him and Hilsenrath in a cage fighting to the death.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:20 | 6453385 TexasAustrian
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Can a Nobel price be recalled?   Does anyone on this board know of a Noble prize winner MORE qualified to have their prize recalled?  

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:21 | 6453390 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Obomber 

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:27 | 6453431 rex-lacrymarum
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It's not a real Nobel Prize. It's a prize promoted by the Swedish central bank (surprise!) and they just put "Nobel" in there to make it appear as though it were a great honor to receive it. 

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:30 | 6453461 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Alfred Nobel.  inventor of dynamite.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:30 | 6453462 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Alfred Nobel.  inventor of dynamite.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:30 | 6453463 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Alfred Nobel.  inventor of dynamite.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:47 | 6453566 northern vigor
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yep....one.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:22 | 6453396 Batman11
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As all money is created from debt at banks then really he is just saying we need more money in the system.

Which is what he always says.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:30 | 6453467 NotApplicable
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I love explaining that to people that think "X needs more money." I always ask "Just who do you think is left that can afford to borrow it?"

[Blank Staring Intensifies]

Sat, 08/22/2015 - 02:06 | 6454760 dr.charlemagne
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at what point does productive work figure in?

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:34 | 6453416 gmak
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What ails us is that TPTB actually think that the general populace is stupid enough to believe this shill - given recent events.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 19:21 | 6453918 BigJim
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No, what ails us is that the general populace is stupid enough to believe this shill.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:25 | 6453418 Full Nelson
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Saul Waterhead Krugmanstein

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:31 | 6453473 Heywood Jahblohmee
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aka  Stinking Jew Pig kikeroach

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 19:23 | 6453927 BigJim
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Fuck off. I wouldn't be remotely surprised to discover you were a hasbara Israeli yourself, attempting to discredit the site with your cartoonish "anti-Semitism".

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:31 | 6453474 Heywood Jahblohmee
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aka  Stinking Jew Pig kikeroach

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:43 | 6453548 Full Nelson
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Krugmansteinbergowitzbaumfeld.  They shortened it to blend in.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:25 | 6453421 coast
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I already answered Dr Engall in asking how much debt is needed, but thought I would post again....sue me I dont care, had 5 beers already today....Thanking Jesus for the money to buy them by the way.  

 Here is how much money we need to be in debt...lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:46 | 6453560 northern vigor
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!00 billion isn't rally all that much anymore.

We will ask for.....100 trillion dollars.--Hmmm, that isn't much anymore if we count the derivative debt market when she blows.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:25 | 6453422 Seasmoke
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The little boy who cried Debt, one time too many...the wolves are going to rip him to shreds when this thing collapses. 

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:29 | 6453458 bpzh
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I really hope there is a hell so Krugman can get what's coming to him.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 18:12 | 6453680 IndyPat
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We should give it our best shot up here...just to be sure.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:32 | 6453484 Really20
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The real problem is the debt-backed money system that has allowed wealth to become concentrated in the hands of others, which consumes itself unless debt grows exponentially. Clearly this is not a sustainable state of affairs in the long term but instead of calling attention to this fact, Krugman keeps telling us to worship at the altars of perpetual growth and consumer spending to dig us out of the hole, when in the long term they only make the fall harder.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:32 | 6453486 Theo P Neustic
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Wait, this isn't April 1st, right?

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:37 | 6453508 Heywood Jahblohmee
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WALTER CRICK, British Manufacturer, in the NORTHAMPTON DAILY ECHO, March 19. 1925) "Jews can destroy by means of finance. Jews are International. Control of credits in this country is not in the hands of the English, but of Jews. It has become the biggest danger the British Empire ever had to face."

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 18:08 | 6453660 Really20
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The problem is the monetary system, not the "Jews". Regardless of outward religion or nationality the top 0.01% owe no loyalty to anyone but the other international elites. English, American, Chinese, Indian, all of the top bankers and businessmen are in on the debt-backed money scam.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:37 | 6453510 Farmer Joe in B...
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I can sort of agree with Krugglebear on one point:

Maybe we SHOULD load up on a ton of debt to fix our infrastructure while we can still borrow cheap money.

Then default.

The default is inevitable anyway, so why don't we treat ourselves to a spruce up to last us another 50 years..?

I should be an economist. 

Tick tock, tick tock...

 

 

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:42 | 6453538 Sturm und Drang
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Infrastructure won't happen. Financial rape and pillage is here and now. Maybe there's a message in that too.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:56 | 6453612 rex-lacrymarum
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This is erroneous. Who will decide what "infrastructure" to build? How will the apparatchiks know what the opportunity cost of their infrastructure spending is? Who can possibly tell if the real resources they will waste on infrastructure wouldn't be more usefully employed elsewhere? 

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:38 | 6453512 Sturm und Drang
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There's your national security threat right there. Paul MF'ing Krugman.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:46 | 6453559 Pareto
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+1 simply for "Paul MF'ing Krugman."

Sun, 08/23/2015 - 17:09 | 6453515 withglee
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Paul Krugman "What Ails The World Right Now Is That Governments Aren’t Deep Enough In Debt"

All this says is:

Now that the government cancer has exceeded its host's voluntary support through tariffs, taxes, fees, and fines, it must expand that involuntary support through inflation.

When the government pays itself, its dependents, its suppliers and its contractors with money that it creates and never destroys (i.e. it counterfeits), we all pay for government involuntarily through resulting inflation. And now that they have become addicted to this source of revenue, this parasite is well on its way to destroying its host ... and itself.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:38 | 6453516 Heywood Jahblohmee
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WILHELM II. German Kaiser. "A Jew cannot be a true patriot. He is something different, like a bad insect. He must be kept apart, out of a place where he can do mischief - even by pogroms, if necessary. The Jews are responsible for Bolshevism in Russia, and Germany too. I was far too indulgent with them during my reign, and I bitterly regret the favors I showed the prominent Jewish bankers." (CHICAGO TRIBUNE, July 2, 1922)

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 19:24 | 6453931 BigJim
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Fuck off. I wouldn't be remotely surprised to discover you were a hasbara Israeli yourself, attempting to discredit the site with your cartoonish "anti-Semitism".

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:39 | 6453519 Full Nelson
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A Hayekian is shown two fractions: 1/2 then 5/10.  He says that the values are identical and can be expressed in a number of different ways.

A Keynesian is shown two other fractions: 1/2 then 4/10.  He ignores the denominators and calls it growth.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:39 | 6453520 Heywood Jahblohmee
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HENRY FORD in (The Dearborn Independent, 12-19 February 1921 "Jews have always controlled the business . . . The motion picture influence of the United States and Canada . . . is exclusively under the control, moral and financial, of the Jewish manipulators of the public mind.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:39 | 6453522 gregga777
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Q: what's as dumb as a box of rocks?
A: an economist.

Q: what's dumber than a box of rocks?
A: an PhD economist.

Q: what's the dumbest thing on our planet?
A: Nobel-prize winning PhD economist Paul Krugman.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:40 | 6453525 metaStable
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"I know that may sound crazy."

Ah, I see your point!

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:40 | 6453527 northern vigor
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I never did believe Krug got a Nobel Prize...Maybe it was the Nob Prize and he was confused?

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:56 | 6453609 orez65
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It is not necessary to accomplish the stated goals of a Nobel Prize category, to win.

For example, Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize!

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 18:02 | 6453631 northern vigor
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O definitely won the Kob Prize.

 

edit..."Knob Prize....that must have been a Freudian slip

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:56 | 6453610 orez65
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It is not necessary to accomplish the stated goals of a Nobel Prize category, to win.

For example, Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize!

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:40 | 6453528 Heywood Jahblohmee
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LUTHER, MARTIN. 16th century German religious reformer. "They are the real liars and bloodhounds, who have not only perverted and falsified the entire Scriptures from beginning to end and without ceasing with their interpretations. And all of the anxious sighing, longing and hoping of their hearts is directed to the time when some day they would like to deal with us heathen as they dealt with the heathen in Persia at the time of Esther . . . On how they love the book of Esther, which so nicely agrees with their bloodthirsty, revengeful and murderous desire and hope.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 19:25 | 6453933 BigJim
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Fuck off. I wouldn't be remotely surprised to discover you were a hasbara Israeli yourself, attempting to discredit the site with your cartoonish "anti-Semitism".

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:41 | 6453535 Heywood Jahblohmee
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REV. MARTIN LUTHER, sermon at Eisleben, a few days before his death, February, 1546 "Besides, you also have many Jews living in the country, who do much harm . . . You should know the Jews blaspheme and violate the name of our Savior day for day... for that reason you, Milords and men of authority, should not tolerate but expel them. They are our public enemies and incessantly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ, they call our Blessed Virgin Mary a harlot and her Holy Son a bastard and to us they give the epithet of changelings and abortions. Therefore deal with them harshly as they do nothing but excruciatingly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ, trying to rob us of our lives, our health, our honor and belongings."

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 19:25 | 6453934 BigJim
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Fuck off. I wouldn't be remotely surprised to discover you were a hasbara Israeli yourself, attempting to discredit the site with your cartoonish "anti-Semitism".

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:42 | 6453540 Heywood Jahblohmee
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POPE CLEMENT VIII "All the world suffers from the usury of the Jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty, especially the farmers, working class people and the very poor. Then as now Jews have to be reminded intermittently anew that they were enjoying rights in any country since they left Palestine and the Arabian desert, and subsequently their ethical and moral doctrines as well as their deeds rightly deserve to be exposed to criticism in whatever country they happen to live."

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 19:26 | 6453936 BigJim
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Fuck off. I wouldn't be remotely surprised to discover you were a hasbara Israeli yourself, attempting to discredit the site with your cartoonish "anti-Semitism".

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:43 | 6453545 Heywood Jahblohmee
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AQUINAS, THOMAS, Saint. 13th century scholastic philosopher. In his "On the Governance of the Jews," he wrote: "The Jews should not be allowed to keep what they have obtained from others by usury; it were best that they were compelled to worked so that they could earn their living instead of doing nothing but becoming avaricious."

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 19:26 | 6453939 BigJim
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Fuck off. I wouldn't be remotely surprised to discover you were a hasbara Israeli yourself, attempting to discredit the site with your cartoonish "anti-Semitism".

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:45 | 6453554 Heywood Jahblohmee
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This prophecy, by Benjamin Franklin, was made in a "CHIT CHAT AROUND THE TABLE DURING INTERMISSION," at the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention of 1787. This statement was recorded in the dairy of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, a delegate from South Carolina. "I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews. In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal. For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race. If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty. If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves. Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will nor how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even thou they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 19:26 | 6453941 BigJim
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Fuck off. I wouldn't be remotely surprised to discover you were a hasbara Israeli yourself, attempting to discredit the site with your cartoonish "anti-Semitism".

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:50 | 6453575 Secret Weapon
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Krugman is an academic and by definition totally detached from reality.  Fuck him in the neck.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 18:04 | 6453645 Sturm und Drang
Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:50 | 6453576 Full Nelson
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A Keynesian, a snake oil salesman and a thief walked into a bar.  He had a couple of drinks while he was there.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:51 | 6453578 orez65
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"... very low interest rates are telling us something about what markets want."

Interest rate market??

The interest rate is being set by the Federal Reserve, not the market!

Is getting to be like a PHD in economics means that you are a moron.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:50 | 6453581 Moar-ey Greedman
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Uugghh, Krugman! I'd like to take a hardbound copy of, oh let's make it "Human Action", and just BASH it against the side of his stupid Jew head!

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:52 | 6453589 Full Nelson
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But "War and Peace" weighs a lot more.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 18:02 | 6453638 Moar-ey Greedman
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As long as it's the hardbound copy, sure

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:51 | 6453585 Heywood Jahblohmee
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CAPTAIN MONTGOMERY SCHYLER, American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia, in a military intelligence report dated March 1, 1919, to Lt. Col. Barrows in Vladivostok "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since its beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type, who have been in the United States and there absorbed every one of the worst phases of our civilization without having the least understanding of what we really mean by liberty."

MRS. CLARE SHERIDAN, Traveler, Lecturer in NEW YORK WORLD, December 15, 1923 "The Communists are Jews, and Russia is being entirely administered by them. They are in every government office, bureau and newspaper. They are driving out the Russians and are responsible for the anti-Semitic feeling which is increasing."

MAJOR ROBERT H. WILLIAMS, in Fecp and the Minority Machine, page 10 "B'nai B'rith, the secret Jewish fraternity, was organized in 1843, awakening world Jewish aspirations, or Zionism, and its name, meaning "Sons of the Covenant," suggests that the 12 men who organized the fraternity aimed at bringing about the fulfillment of "the Covenant," or the supposed Messianic promise of rulership over all peoples. To rule all peoples, it is first necessary to bring them together in a world federation or world government -- which is the avowed aim of both Communists and Zionists."

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:53 | 6453595 Heywood Jahblohmee
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ADRIEN ARCAND, Canadian political leader in New York Speech, October 30, 1937 "There is nothing else in Communism -- a Jewish conspiracy to grab the whole world in their clutches; and no intelligent man in the world can find anything else, except the Jews, who rightly call it for themselves a "paradise on earth."

Jews are eager to bring Communism, because they know what it is and what it means. It is because Communism has not been fought for what it really is -- a Jewish scheme invented by Jews -- that it has progressed against all opposition to it. We have fought the smoke-screen presented by Jewish dialecticians and publicists, refusing to fight the inventor, profiteer and string-puller. Because Christians and Gentiles have come to fear the Jews, fear the truth, and they are paralyzed by the paradoxical slogans shouted by the Jews."

REV. KENNETH GOFF, in STILL 'TIS OUR ANCIENT FOE, page 99 "The Frankenstein of Communism is the product of the Jewish mind, and was turned loose upon the world by the son of a Rabbi, Karl Marx, in the hopes of destroying Christian civilization -- as well as others. The testimony given before the Senate of the United States which is take from the many pages of the Overman Report, reveals beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jewish bankers financed the Russian Revolution."

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:53 | 6453598 atomicwasted
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I'll give Krugman this: he never fails to brazenly double down on stupid, while daring everyone to call him out.  The guy has brass balls, but it's too bad they're used in the service of the State.

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 17:54 | 6453602 localspaced
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I'm all for debate, I believe in intellectually engaging people I don't agree with. I have been known to be convinced by good argumentation.

But the delusion on this guy...it's just staggering. I don't think he even has a theory. So couple weeks back Greek debt was onerous and unsustainable and now debt is good again? Did he switch from crack to meth? Did he start injecting into his eyeballs? What is up here?

Anyway, what's trump been up to today?

Fri, 08/21/2015 - 18:04 | 6453643 BurningBetty
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These people get paid to do one thing: Confuse. One moment they will tell you one thing, then the next they do a 180-degree turn and claim the opposite. Making people run like headless chickens not really knowing where to run next. 

For someone observing all this from the outside they may be asking themselves for how long are people of this planet willingly going to allow this to go on. Everyone is waiting for someone to take a stand but it seems they all bow their heads in the end.  

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