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Who Would Win A War In The South China Sea: The Pentagon Infographic
Back in May we highlighted an infographic showing how China stacks up, from the perspective of maritime military might, to its neighbors and to the US.
The context (of course), is the ongoing dispute over China’s land reclamation project in the South China Sea where Beijing has constructed, at last count, some 3,000 acres of sovereign territory atop reefs in the Spratlys.
As we detailed on Friday, the US and its regional allies say it’s an illegitimate attempt to redraw maritime boundaries and project military supremacy while China claims it’s simply doing what other countries in the region have been doing for years. Should the situation escalate from a war of words to a war of bullets and missiles, here’s a reminder - from the Pentagon’s new Asia Pacific Maritime Security Strategy report - of how the potential combatants match up.
From the Pentagon:
China is modernizing every aspect of its maritime-related military and law enforcement capabilities, including its naval surface fleet, submarines, aircraft, missiles, radar capabilities, and coast guard. It is developing high-end technologies intended to dissuade external intervention in a conflict and designed to counter U.S. military technology. Although preparation for a potential Taiwan conflict remains the primary driver of Chinese investment, China is also placing emphasis on preparing for contingencies in the East and South China Sea. China sees a need for the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) to be able to support China’s “new historic missions” and operational tasks outside the first island chain with multi-mission, long-range, sustainable naval platforms equipped with robust self-defense capabilities. Although quantity is only one component of overall capability, from 2013 to 2014, China launched more naval vessels than any other country. The PLAN now possesses the largest number of vessels in Asia, with more than 300 surface ships, submarines, amphibious ships, and patrol craft.
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Geez...
Must learn Mandarin now!
Go long Rosetta Stone!
The amount of equipment is not the only variable in warfare or we would have had a tougher time in Desert Storm. Innovation is not just important in tech and thus far the Chinese have not excelled thus far on the innovation front.
Simple: The EMP
Nah you're wrong, cause it's the bankers
I'll put my money on the most rocket-savvy group, the Chinese.
All Wars Are Banker Wars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKnF1HEUwuo
And they fund the MIC
Which ones? Cuz the Chinese don't really likes the Ziobankers.
On side note, it is bean counting. I mean the number of equipment is secondary to at least to 2 factors:
-logistics;
-effectivity.
IMHO in both the Chinese are at least 1 factor also above to the US Army.
The Chinese love the zio-bankers and the zio-bankers love the Chinese.
The Chinese perfectly represent the kind of control the Zionists love.
I know, ships? It's like counting horses for the cavalry right before WWII.
I think you make an excellent point!
Just make EMP missiles.
First we take out your defences and if you wont stop - we'll take out your cities with them.
No radiation to come back and bite us on the arse and your starving masses will be too busy with civil war to want to fight with anybody else...
EDIT : and they don't even need to be that accurate - 90's Iraqi SCUD missiles will get you close enough.
Satellites are already in place.
Why give advanced notice with something as obvious as a missile launch?
Just a matter of time. I heard all the same arguments used when the Japanese
were becoming a major exporter." made in Japan" was synonimus with cheap crap when
I was a young man. Their first generation cars were a total joke.
A lot of engineering is word of mouth, trial and error, that never gets into textbooks.
One of the reasons why a renaissence of a US industrial base in anything less than
2/3 decades is a pipe dream.
Another thing I suspect is that many Chinese manufactured products we see here are designed to be as cheap as possible. That is their primary niche in the US market. An American manufactured product intended to be as cheap as possible will also have quality issues. See most low end American cars. The fact is that they have all of the technology already, so logic tells me they can make higher quality goods if they want to.
A car is an assembly of pieces from all parts of the world.
It began in Germany in the 1960's, once we abandoned the gold std weak links were designed into all products. It caught on like wildfire for the coke heads who needed more "jobs" to support their "bad" habits and behaviors and mushroomed into the debt fiasco we currently have. All by design and for the oligarch's who expanded on this "great idea".
LTER - the products "they" sell cheaply in the US (and elsewhere) HAVE to return a profit of sorts, and that's after the on-clogistical and regulatory on-costs.
The Chinese can, and DO produce some excellent products, for reasonable prices. I own a number of very Chinese metrology products (calipers, micrometers) that have certainly stood the test of time (25 years ++) and are as well made as the comparable Western "Big Name" products, but for a fraction of the price.
I was expecting "Chinese crap" which would be OK for rough workshop use, but instead received beautifully finished, very well-presented instruments that have lasted so well that the "spares" I thought I'd certainly need have never been unpacked, let alone used.
So, whilst I must agree that the VERY cheap stuff will be pretty dire, there's not that big a price jump before you reach some pretty decent quality stuff, which of course includes almost all Consumer electronics and electronic metrology equipment.
oh, that's right the US won Desert Storm 1 and 2,could have fooled me and that CIA operative, what's his name Saddam Hussein? I've been wondering why Iraq remains in shambles to this day, more divided before Desert Shit Storm. Thanks for the clarification. And by the way Captain, China and Russia control your debt crash ship and are patiently waiting to decimate our 'FRN fiat military farces I mean forces' if you haven't already noticed. It's been checkmate for the last 10 15 years and the US has still played like they are moving their rooks, like sheep following each other into an abyss. Got physical PMs, food, tools, guns, ammo, 19th century survival skills? You gonna need em
Two totally different situations that cannot be compared - Muzzies and little yellow guys in SE Asia. We'll kick the shite out of the yellow guys just like last time.
If that requires a sarc tag - here it is
lol u r correct my friend
A tough time? They drove at the speed limit to Baghdad! Only thing that slowed them down was all the surrendering Iraqis.
And how'd that work out for ya'?
If he's a banker or investor in General Dynamics... pretty well, I'd say.
Yep, it's about more than ship count. The thing about the Chinese is they have no real experience as a sea power. Their upper ranks are filled with people who bought their position instead of earning it. Depending on exactly how they play it, they could either dominate or be destroyed. They might want to look at the history of Imperial Japan in WW2, because it's not who wins the start that counts, but who wins the end....
You forgot to see the difference China isnt the aggressor here usa is . They are the one pushing china's neighbor to gag up with our help. Secondly China have nukes . Us asw skills are poor . The only war scenario will be usa fighting along the Ist chain of Islands and Chinese can give you a lot of trouble there. The most important difference US during ww2 had its own Industrial Back with a wealth generating economy unlike current usa which is quite thw opposite.
The US's only industrial base now is military. There is a lot of ship building capacity there just sitting idol or running well below max capacity.
It doesn't matter who the aggressor is and China is pushing things themselves and there are no blameless countries......
Here comes another daft debtcrash shitty article again. Inspite of your technological weapons your ass was pounded back thwn suring Iraq Invasion and yes Chinese lack technology in different defense sectors but unlike your dumbed down generals they are not sitting idly . They are doing their job to minimize that gap .
Judging by Tianjin, they are doing wonderfully maximizing the gap in their ability to detonate chem plants. These are really competent savvy people in charge of china. We must fear their efficiency and long-term plannings.
Correct, and there's so much comparing not-like with not-like in that infographic. Chinese equipment is crap, its "aircraft carrier" is a used scow from Ukraine, its troops are ill trained and have terrible morale, officers steal their troops' rations to sell at a profit. China's diesel submarines are so noisy the Japanese can hear them coming many miles away. China is getting more dangerous all the time, no question, but they couldn't defeat Japan one on one and they know it. And that's without the US getting involved.
You'd think again after seeing the RS commercial with Phelps demonstrating his proficiency using this product.
I'd put my money on China unfortunately.
Its Looking like China has certainly got the ball rolling. DOW down over 500 points yesterday.
Bill Holter's now warning that we're witnessing the early stages of a credit collapse, and that Monday could be a disaster.
Should be an interesting week...and we're not even to September and all the Shemitah forecasts....
Hey, What's Up Doc!!???
Thanks for all you do...
And thanks for the free shipping!!!! Stackin' phyzz kicks ass!!!
Great interview too...thanks for the info: http://www.silverdoctors.com/no-shortage-then-who-needs-immediate-delive...
Bulls are saying the market went down this far many times before and rallied to new highs.
Watch for dip buyers come Monday.
War is such a waste!!!
Yeah, but there's so much money to be made! /s
Yup, and on top of their failing economy, China will go broke, militarily, just as the USSR did.
At least the US hasn't gone broke from their military spending. The presses are doing a fantastic job keeping liquidity in the market and discretionary capital in the hands of the masses! Unemployment and wages are at all time lows and highs respectively thanks to the highly effective fed policies! I think its almost time to give the bankers another raise with tax dollars to celebrate their success. Maybe just another few weeks though when the plans come to full fruition.
Remember: All Wars Are Banker Wars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKnF1HEUwuo
My banker said another war would enable him to trade up to an even bigger yacht.
Mine told me he could trade up to owning a bigger country..
that meme is becoming a bit tiring.
What came first in human history, war or bankers ?
Go from there.
But yes, possibly a lot of double speak going on on ZH (banksters getting a hard on at their imagined omnipotence)
"the US and its regional allies say it’s an illegitimate attempt to redraw maritime boundaries"
It is. China does not own the South China Seas.
Twelve miles out is fair game all over the world. It's been that way forever.
Why should China have an exception for the South China Sea, compared to everywhere else in the world?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters
Tell this the Usa that they have only 12 miles.....hahahaaa
...Because China is an empire that wants to grow. Empire means a large area with multiple ethnic groups dominated by a single hegmonic group, usually denominated by ethnicity.
The Persian empire was dominated by Persians, The Roman empire was dominated by Romans, The Mongol empire was dominated by Mongols...
In China the dominating group is the Han Chinese controlled by communists, the dominated groups are many, but a few are, Tibetans, Mongols and Uyghurs. Soon other ethnicities will be dominated, Phllipinos, Indians, Vietnamese, Malasians and Japanese.
Inevitable...? Yea, probably. It is the history of the world.
Beijing gets a largely undeserved bad rap over its efforts to claim and develop islands in the South China Sea — the Spratly and Paracel island groups especially. China has long historical links with the area. And the critics forget that in the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty between Japan and the Allied Powers, Article 2(f), states: “Japan renounces all right, title and claim to the Spratly Islands and to the Paracel Islands.”
This renunciation of the two island groups, and of Taiwan itself, was confirmed in the U.S.-brokered 1952 peace treaty between Japan and the Taiwan-based Republic of China (ROC), then recognized by the United States and Japan as the sole legitimate government of China. So if this meant the ROC had the right to Taiwan then in all logic it also meant the ROC had the right to claim the other islands Japan had renounced in the 1952 treaty — a right which the Beijing-based Peoples Republic of China (PRC) would then normally have been able to claim as a successor government.
The ROC did in fact move to claim the Paracels and until 1950 occupied some of its islands. In 1975 it also claimed sovereignty over all the extensive Spratly island group.
True, others have since made their claims over some of these islands. Taiwan has long been in conflict with the Philippines over largest of the Spratly islands, Taiping or Itu Aba. Malaysia and Brunei also claim ownership of some islands in the group. Towards the Paracels, Vietnam has long had strong claims.
But today the main criticism of Beijing is over the furious pace with which it is dredging and constructing to expand the areas of some of the small islands, rocks and submerged reefs it controls. It is also criticized for then claiming 12 nautical mile (nm) territorial zones and sometimes 200 nm exclusive economic zones (EEZ) around them. The U.S., Japan, and others say these activities deny freedom of the seas. At the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore late last month, U.S. Defense Secretary Ashton Carter demanded that China immediately halt its “unprecedented” land reclamations in the South China Sea.
Unprecedented? Then what is Japan doing with the tiny Okinotorishima reef area 1,700 km south of Tokyo that it claims as its territory? This “island” originally consisted of no more than two rocks above the water level, each the size of a bed. But it has now been dredged and concretized to create an 8,000 square meter “island” allegedly deserving of not just a 200 nm EEZ but continental shelf rights as well. If the EEZ claim was allowed Japan could control a sea area of more than 400,000 square kilometers, larger than the total land area of Japan itself. If its continental shelf claim was allowed (it is challenged by China and South Korea) it would control three times more. The “island” lies astride important navigation routes and it is touted as helping to deny China’s access to the Pacific. It sustains no economic activity (such activity is a condition for claiming an EEZ) but Tokyo has arrested and fined Taiwanese fishing boats in the claimed EEZ area.
And its reclamation was begun in 1987, well before Beijing’s alleged land grab activities.
Consistency has never been a strong point in U.S. policies. But this contradiction glares a lot more than most.
Some see the problem more in Beijing’s much criticized nine-dash line that effectively claims for China not just the Spratlys and Paracels but almost all the other islands and reefs in the South China Sea. But here too China is following an example set by others — the 11-dash line claimed by the ROC in 1947 before it was replaced by the PRC in 1949. If Beijing is being expansionist in the South China Sea then so was the ROC, strongly supported by the U.S. Elsewhere the ROC was much more land hungry than the PRC in its claims toward Myanmar, India, Mongolia and Japan. Concessions offered by Beijing were often criticized bitterly by the ROC.
Today we see a Beijing less caught up in internal problems, more aware of its economic and military strength and less inclined to make concessions. India’s foolish rejection in 1962 of a very generous frontier offer, for example, has led Beijing to revive earlier and much harsher ROC demands, something we are also seeing in the South China Sea. But in the South China Sea, Beijing also has the excuse of insistent U.S. air, sea and communications monitoring along its coastlines. The U.S. does this under the pretext of exercising air and sea freedom of movement but it only makes sense in the context of the U.S. preparing for possible clashes with China. As others point out, how would the U.S. react if China was behaving the same way in the Gulf of Mexico.
In short, if Beijing has been behaving badly, then so too have others. Even so, it would cost China little to be more compromising. While it often has history on its side, others can claim geography. Toward the Philippines over the Spratlys and toward Vietnam over the Paracels, it could have recognized that they are much closer than is China and they have some rights also. Toward the Philippines especially, Beijing has lost a possible friend in the area by its abrasive criticisms and confrontations.
A situation where Beijing continued to claim and develop areas of interest but allowed others to do likewise in other areas would hardly harm China’s security. In fact it would add greatly to security to the extent that it deprives ex-Cold War warriors in the U.S., Japan and Australia of excuses for muscle flexing and taking advantage of others’s discontent.
Gregory Clark is a former Australian diplomat who specialized in China. Long involved in Japan, he has served as a professor, president and vice president in three Japanese universities
TRUTH . +1
It will be hrd for koolaiders to ge it though
Probably one of the most informative posts in the last three years - thank you
Probably one of the most informative posts in the last three years - thank you
Here's a Reality of this World -
Might makes 'right'
Like the reality that there is no Santa, - it sucks.
But, that's the way it is.
They just hire whore lawyers and media for p.r.
Reduces the cost of keeping the sheep in line till its time for shearing & slaughter.
Strangely wasn't a problem when US allies were building up artifical reefs..
If Japan got sufficiently reved up, they could kick China's ass. I'm sure all the Japanese weapons work. Not so sure about China's.
Robot armies in 5 years tops.
Robots that do more than sucky sucky?
But if you crank that feature up to #10 kill setting you could take out a lot of soldiers. I don't know what they would do with all the remaining female soldiers though
War brides, natch. Just tell them you have a job, apartment, and a car and you're in.
Nuclear exchange in less than 10 years tops...
Yeah, should have caveated that I was talking about a conventional war, not a nuclear one. That being said, the Japanese could probably go nuclear in a heartbeat if they wanted to. In fact, would not surprise me if Japan already has a secret cache of nukes.
I thought that's what Fukushima was.
Really gotta work on the delivery system.
Take a closer look . The US is Japan's biggest enemy not China. US influence has done countless damage to Japan and until Japan kicks the US out it will continue . The USAs biggest export is queer . Take a page from Putin and protect the Japanese kids from the evil USA.
The Japanese have lots of weird sexual fetishes that have nothing to do with America. They were perverted long before we were.
Tends to happen in emasculated societies. Japan (Germany, and for that matter ALL of Europe) need to cast off the shackles of occupation.
Fukushima Fricasse is literally too stupid to have heard of the Fishwife's Dream.
Troll rolled back after feeting exposed.
Advice for you, next time you go to Japan stay out of the tourist areas that cater to you and ignorant freaks like you.
For purely defensive purposes, of course ;-)
So when hostilities break out are they going to hold the manufacture of i-shit hostage?
Oh the fucking horror!...lol.
Can you imagine what the Foxconn workers would do to their guards... I mean... managers?
"Due to the embargo on iShit, I have decided to surrender. Reggie is in Peking signing the documents now."
Depends on what your definition of "win" looks like...
I wouldn't want to be the force that lives 7,000 miles away that will start that one after being in a state of perpetual war for the last 14 - 25 years that is bankrupt and feels that it has no other choices in it's warped behavior to think of an alternative!
How ya gonna' limit the "conflict" to South China Sea only?
Here we go Ned, you'll appreciate this...lol.
"In a closely split decision, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces rejected claims by Akbar that his original defense team was ineffective. Akbar argued at trial that he was mentally ill when he killed two and wounded 14 in the March 2003 attack in Kuwait."
Ahhh yes, the ole temporarily insane defense.
"The two dissenting judges countered that Akbar’s trial defense attorneys fell short, with specific mistakes that included providing Akbar’s 313-page diary to the court-martial panel."
I dunno, seems kinda relevant in going the whole temporary insanity defense route to me...anyway's, continuing...
“These pages included a running diatribe against Caucasians and the United States dating back 12 years, and included repeated references to (his) desire to kill American soldiers ‘for Allah’ and for ‘jihad,' ” Judge James E. Baker noted."
Oh. Wait. Twelve years you say?
"Baker, who has since retired, explained that “the defense intended the diary to reflect (Akbar’s) descent into mental illness,” but that it was “offered without adequate explanation, expert or otherwise.”
Judge Baker can now be found reading defense counsels minds at the Starlight Lounge, show times are posted as 6 & 9PM on weekends but as we have seen, his time lines are variable.
"More broadly, Baker observed that the defense team had a hard time in making the case for Akbar because “the armed forces have no guidelines regarding the qualifications, training, or performance required of capital defense counsel.”
Funny, I thought this entire exercise revolved around the guilt or innocence of the accussed, not in making broad personal commentary/opinion/generalizations on the organizational structure in which you made your career that is in fact...wrong.
But hey, thats jus me ;-)
http://www.stripes.com/military-court-upholds-death-sentence-in-2003-fra...
Criminally stupid is not criminally insane; duly noted.
I suppose Wesley Clark would like all of those opposed to starting WWIII to be detained.
I suppose Wesley Clark would like all of those opposed to starting WWIII to be detained.
He's already asked the "white chimp" if he can have his old job back at the Pentagon.
Says if he was in charge after 9/11 he would have made good on getting 7 Middle Eastern nation(s) under control in 5 years and that it was a mistake to retire him for "that little thing" that happened in Pristina in 1999!
Sure because
Clark is a Jew
"We cannot trust American soldiers to fight. I am now head of the Pentrogon, and I will only enlist illeagal mexicans into our armed forces."
Next war is named "Code Pink" and aircraft carrier is named USS Caitlyn
All torpedoes equipped with prophylactics; because we care.
Who will win? That one is easy: The military industrial complex.
Who will lose? Everybody else.
So what will happen? War
Japan will not get involved in a war in the South China Sea; but the Chinese must keep a major part of its naval forces in the East China Sea because of the proximity of US andjapanese forces, based in Okinawa. For strategic purposes China cannot deploy more than half of its naval forces in the Souh China Sea.
None of the countries whose coastlines abut the South China Sea have the will, much less the ability, to confront China militarily. Therefore China can and will do pretty much whatever it wants to.
China has a shitload of unemployed young men and USD to buy raw materials for its war machine.
If it was serious about building empire I think we would see a LOT more spending.
Not that I have any illusions about China's "leadership" but they don't seem to be making hegemony a top priority.
The USA, on the other hand....
Obama to the Joint Chiefs, "Quick! Scuttle our entire Navy before we threaten them into starting a war!"
The Chief Joints of Staff .... remember when some black congresswoman said that ?
I remember when that dumbass negro thought too many marines on Guam would flip it over.
How can you Americans elect negros who never graduated primary school?
I think the dumbass kneegrow heard that from Obama. oh wait..............
Hey buddy - we're equal opportunity here !
We have dumbasses of every race, religion, age, gender, ethnic category, income, body fat %, and sexual preference in America.
Only the sociopaths at the Pentagram would even want to fight such a war. But you just know those Navy boys are dying to get involved in a war. Why let the Army, Air Force and Marines have all the fun? Other than some occasional naval gun fire shelling some hapless third worlders, the Navy hasn't been involved in any real mass murder since WWII. They really want to have a REAL surface ship battle out on the high seas. Those Harpoon board games and computer sims just aren't satisfying any more.
seWG
Couldn't agree with you more.
In 2013 nobody but nobody mentioned the fallout of what was happening to the 30 year career Admirals and Generals in the strategic command along with their staff that were receiving early retirement based on "scandals"...
Then the mix up and replacement with guys like this that had no fucking business being there in the first place! All we can hope is that the kids in the trenches hate the replacement(s) viscerally and will "do something about it" when they are asked to do the unthinkable. My guess is that Soros, Kagan LLC already have that factored in which is why we will have another "MH-17" play out with a missing warhead -like we had in the Minot to Barksdale incident. You remember the one that left a bunch of Air Force pilots and airmen that were all part of the same crew mysteriously dying early within a period of about 4 months.
Make no mistake this is the plan, but it will probably not start in Asia. We are going through the front door in Eastern Europe with another "event" that will be blamed on Russia either before or during the rest of the Donetsk province moves in the direction of Crimea.
Socialism always wins .... with war .... WWII should have guaranteed a Capitalist future .... it helped for a while .... but, here we are !
Blame that socialist Nixon. Told him not to go to China.
Why have dreams for the future when we could have ash.
Hands down the MIC wins.
Donald Trump sucks Chink cock.
He talks like a classic, leftist protectionist .... who doesn´t understand Evolutionary Economics .... and the importance of free trade .... and each area of the world excelling in what they are best at .... otherwise, I like the candid fuck !
No such thing as free trade- its labor arbitrage
Free trade .... means goods, services, intellectual property, foreign workers, ideas .... it´s a big umbrella .... er tent !
With a fork (no chopsticks).
The Koran and Mein Kampf .... same struggle for totalitarianism !
Better read the Talmud, dipshit. Its alll about Zionism dominating stupid fucking Goyim like you.
Better read the Talmud, dipshit. Its alll about Zionism dominating stupid fucking Goyim like you.
well just going by the above chart it's pretty clear you gotta go with China for the curb stomp.
but my guess is in reality any conflict that starts in the south China sea quickly becomes a dog pile and everybody from India to the US to Russia is going to want in on that action.
and that's the problem with the world today, the reason why the BOAS recently turned the hands on the doomsday clock to 3 minutes to midnight. there are to many potential flash points, to many opportunities currently available for WW3 to kick off.
now instead of MAD being the guarantee that holds nuclear war at bay, it's gotten to the point where every day we get through and the worst doesn't happen is a truly a blessing not to be taken for granted.
but for how much longer? the lunatics running this asylum really believe that there god, technology, makes such a war winnable. MAD was the last firewall and the only real deterrence we had between us and "the day after".
now that's gone.
each passing day that I see the pentagon posting shit like this or relentlessly demonizing Russia or publishing white papers on nuclear first strike doctrine I realize that The Stand was wrong.
the world, at least for us doesn't end with a whimper, it ends with a bag after all.
From the minds of free people .... come defensive weapons .... from the minds of socialist dictators .... comes using them offensively .... no other country .... would have been so gracious and responsible as we were .... at the end of WWII .... and look at the ungrateful mess we have today .... we should have finished the job !
A loud and clear message to Congress and clueless US sheeple:
Increase military budget now......and pay up, you clueless citizen.......
Moar, More, ........but, but...a sagacious (wo)man would have asked: what does that has anything to do with US and us.
I have no more to give, my tax coffers are empty paying pensions of worthless retired gov servants. Get to work Janet
We joined the Navy to see the drink
And what did we see? We saw the Chink.
- Otto von Bismarck.
The Spratlys are not worth the bones of one Prussian grenadier.
- Frederick Astaire.
Where are the USN ships on the list? Already sunk???
Obama has mothballed them to get them painted pink
I am starting to think that leaving the SW for the month of September may be a good idea. These goons are going to be fishing for a justification and when the market goes they will need a distraction. If NY was a justification for Iraq what is it going to take to Justify conflict with China or Russia?
Do not think for a moment that this war would be fought in the South China Sea. Sure, there will be missiles fired back and forth, but the real war would be China using its U.S. Dollar reserves and cyber attacks to crash financial markets and utility infrastructure - without firing a shot.
The U.S. would be less successful disrupting China, as China has tighter control and the ability to immediately impose any protections it needs.
So short term China wins the war if not the battle for the South China Sea. The U.S. faces loss of expensive naval assets while the Chinese lose hundreds of planes. So which country can afford to rebuild?
Longer term, can the U.S. afford to keep half its Pacific Fleet in the South China Sea in order to 'occupy' it? We have not done well trying that on land, and it is even harder on sea.
Mencken's hobgoblins, the sky is falling, moar $$$ for the Pentagon, troops in over 100 countries. Military GDP produces nothing but deaths, misery and $$ for the MIC.
The Fed and the Pentagon need to go. Keep Cheyenne Mountain and dare anybody to fuck with us. Issue every able bodied American a fully automatic 7.62 mm weapon and mucho ammo and dare anybody to invade us.
Gilligan's Island will be victorius. They always are.
[quote] Go long Rosetta Stone! [/quote]
Dambit thats funny! Thanks.
Bullish on new artificial reefs!
Who would win a war in the South 'China' Sea?
Who knows. It takes more than machinery and technology observing the Vietnam war and the fiasco's that came after.
But I know a very bellicose and arrogant provocateur that would lose.
Who would win a war in the South China sea?
Goldman Sachs.
Guam is going to end up a reef, probably all of the Marianas for that matter, pitty after they survived WWII and all. This is a very bad idea.
North Korea is more tolerant than ISIS .... and Obama´s arrested development "Malutto" Malcom X brain ! (Mulatto is predominantly Negroid DNA .... "Malutto" , a Monedian Logic invention, for Mulattoes with predominantly Caucasian DNA !)
What about KIKE DNA?
ONly winners will be the Zio bankers. Thats why they are pushiing for war
The devil is in a rush.
http://zoa.org/2002/03/102128-saudi-government-newspaper-says-jews-bake-...
* “The Jews are trying to take over the world”: A two-part article in the Saudi Arabian government daily newspaper Al Watan on December 8 and 9, 2001, declared: “At the end of the last century, the Jewish organizations consolidated a hellish plan to take over the world by sparking revolutions or taking control of the keys to governments in various countries, first and foremost the U.S. and Russia … The Jews act by means of their control of the media, politics, and the economy in order to weaken the non-Jewish groups and bring about their disintegration … The arrogance and tyranny of the Jews, who manage to hide it from the Western public, has reached such proportions that anyone who talks about them, their hegemony, and their racism knows that he will pay a high price.”
Read more: http://zoa.org/2002/03/102128-saudi-government-newspaper-says-jews-bake-blood-of-non-jews-into-their-purim-pastries/#ixzz3jdBFeINn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8wifV5RYr8 Houndmouth - Sedona (a tune)Fucking joke.
We can't even "win a war" in Trashcan-istan......not that we should even be there.
Japan will be the next Atlantis. Long after WWIII when society reorganizes and redevelops they will see all of these plastic bottles everywhere and come to the conclusion that they were a phallic symbol that we worshipped, the Pentagon will be the new Stone Henge. There will be a museum somewhere that exhibits people's ex-ray shadows on a rock wall, maybe there will be a couple pompeiis in there. WWIII is folklore in the making.
Don't forget the mummified Twinkies.
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An unimpeachable Middle East source sends the following intelligence estimate:
“The delivery of six MIG 31 combat aircraft to the Syrian government in Damascus corresponds to the withdrawal by Germany, Spain, [and the US] of Patriot missile batteries from Turkey within the framework of NATO.[1] On this subject, there is a kind of cooperation between Moscow and Washington. The idea is to give the Syrian Arab Army the equipment required for a bombing campaign in northern Syria. Up until the present moment, the Syrian Arab Army’s aviation has been deterred from doing this by the Patriot missiles stationed in southern Turkey, and did not possess a sufficient number of combat aircraft able to operate at altitudes low enough to evade the surface to air missiles now in the possession of the jihadis. It is for this reason that the Syrian Air Force has not been capable of defending the Kurds in a city like Kobane.
This is the response of Putin and of Obama to the maneuvers carried out by General John Allen, who had gone off the reservation to stipulate an accord with Erdogan for a safe zone for rebels in Syria.
Obama is attempting to push ISIS [aka Daesh, ISIL, etc.] out of Syria and to use some of its components against Russia in Ukraine. Putin and Assad are attempting to liquidate the jihadis on Syrian territory.
The delivery of the MIG-31s comes against the backdrop of the creation of a Russian-Syrian military commission. Numerous Russian military advisers have been arriving in Damascus over recent days. For the first time in five years, they have been sharing their satellite imagery with their Syrian counterparts.
This is the first time since the beginning of the Syrian conflict that the Russian Army has been directly involved in military operations in Syria. In addition, the Russian military advisers have been becoming familiar with the situation on the ground so as to evaluate the options for the deployment of a peacekeeping force under the aegis of the United Nations.
Report from Moscow: Putin Warns Against Subversive Foreign Forces Attempting to Destabilize the Crimea; Kurdish Leader Unmasks Erdogan as Behind ISIS Massacres
Enough of the assumptions, suppositions, postulations.
Here is the deal.
Carrier strike groups are floating bathtubs. DDG's, CG's, these surface units are no match against submarine launched ASM's.
If the US is to dominate, it will need to mitigate or preferably neutralize the CHICOM submarines. If it can't, then in a real war, US surface units will end up in Davey Jone's locker. Then what? Go nuclear? Fail!
The Chinese also have mobile missile launchers capable of firing DF-21D and the likes, affectionately dubbed 'Carrier Killers'.
To make matters worse, the US has lost air dominance. The great boondoggle, officially known as the 'Joint strike fighter' is a complete disgrace.
The US was relying on old strategies and technology in this regard.
However, America is banking on a new brand of warfare. Including but not limited to; cyber warfare, robotic warfare, railguns, strategic missile shield etc. All very nice when well articulated in policy documents, etc, but in a real war, shit won't go as planned. Pandora's box will have been opened.
Bottom line; If it goes nuclear, chemical, biological, then the planet and the biosphere will pay the price of human arrogance, ignorance, greed and evil.
The latest joke of nominations does not fill me with hope. It is a celebrity boxing match. Trump is dominating because people like winners. I agree with some of his rhetoric, but I am dubious at this stage as I should be. As far as I am concerned, politicians are guilty until proven innocent.
Hmmm - before WW2 they probably had charts showing 'Naval Power' based on the number of battleships each country had.
Totally irrelevant in the conflict that materialized.
With so many years (since the fall of the USSR) of talk about 'the most powerful military in world history' - - you have to wonder if hubris has taken over. Does profit and careerism trump it all ?
The US depends on China for so many of its goods.
When WWII broke out the US was the industrial leader.
The US is a leader in diversity and debt.
The best friendships .... are friendships built around mutal benefit .... the trade we have with Japan, Korea, China, the Philippines, Thailand etc. .... bodes well for stability in the region .... even North Korea is contained .... the bigger problem right now is Islam !
The biggest problem, fuckface, is your one brain cell is on life support
All terrorist attacks are CIA/Mossad operations pinning the blame on Muslims.
You are a goddam fucking imbecile.
The biggest problem, fuckface, is your one brain cell is on life support
All terrorist attacks are CIA/Mossad operations pinning the blame on Muslims.
You are a goddam fucking imbecile.
The biggest problem are Kikes. The Final solution is coming.
Since when has the Pentagon known who or how to win a war?
"Since when has the Pentagon known who or how to win a war?"
Correct, they can't even protect themselves against being hit by a missile....errrrr..."Airplane".
They have become a little better since the Mossad is telling them what to do.
During WW2 , American still had intelligent people both in and out of the military.
Now its a nation of retards , both in and out of the milItary.
You socialists are in disarray .... the recent strength in the dollah .... implies our Ponzi still has legs .... how, does it feel to be constipated and consternated .... and wake up mad .... every morning ?
if only the chinese would let the zionazis run their banks all of this could be avoided.
Do they really think Indonesia and Malaysia would join in a confliect against China, the future of Asia and their prosperity?
And for what benefit from the US, bankrupting their economies, chaos for domestic govts.
The only sure thing would be the US making a total dog's breakfast of Japan, Malaysia, Indonesia.
Maybe the US should look at a map and realise how close all these SE Asian countries are too a very large China.
Europe will realise in the end that it is better for their economies and future security to have Russia as trading partner. Likewise Asia will realise it is better for their economies and security to have China as a partner. The US has shit in its nest too many times over the past 50 years, making a mess everywhere they go.
the usa has never understood the geopolitical dynamic of east asia(or south asia). all of east asia has feared the chinese for literally thousands of years because china was the economic ruler of the region, therefore it was the political ruler of the region. the usa provided an alternative post ww2 to switch to another benevolent protector as a hedge against china. the region, including japan, has come to the conclusion china was a genuine benolent dictator empire because the usa specializes in pillaging and plundering, using trade agreements and financial aid as bludgeons to gut the local economy and transfer whatever wealth back to the usa, those countries have to tell the usa that they are on the usa side but can't wait to tell the usa to fuck off. most of them realize china reestablishing itself in the region is their best chance for the opportunity to flip the bird to the american flag.
Horrors!
China and Russia have interests in their near abroad, while the 'indispensable and exceptional' lunatic USA near abroad is the entire world!
Americans still think they can 'win' a war, althought everyone they have engaged in they ''lost'' except WW2 but without Russia against the Nazis it would have been a much different ending.
The backbone of Indonesian Navy is relics from 60s and 70s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Indonesian_Navy_ships
This infographics mean shit... Couple of ICBM's and nobody wins
While China outclasses it's neighbors, the US PACFleet and IO Fleet could really bust them up.
To meet their goals in a naval engagement, China would need to deploy significant land based aviation assets
and attack Space Assets.
China has a tough strategic situation, while they may be building up, they face Japan/US Forces Yokohoma.
South Korea/US Forces Seoul, Taiwan/US Forces PACFleet, Phillipines/US PacFleet,
if the Vietnamese and Philippines re-establish bases at Cam Rahn Bay and Subic, the Chinese will find themselves
with a broad variety of threats.
If i were the Chinese, i'd hang loose, the confluence of forces isn't in their interest right now. 7 years ago, with Bush having had the Entire US Army, stuck in IRaq and Afghanistan, and large chunks of the USAF and USN supporting them,
the US Had few cards to play. Especially with the Global Financial Crisis, absorbing the attention of the Congress.
now the US Army has pulled back, the rest of DoD has more bandwidth.
if China keeps building up port facilities, keeps building High Speed Rail to move troops around the country fast, and
keeps building high quality roads to their neighbors, they can change the game
china has 1.3 billion people. what is a few million lost to war? effective population growth control. the west may win a shooting match but they could never win a war.
Fuck War!!!
War Pigs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jDvEbT0hb8
The common interest of all non-Islamic tribes .... is to recognize the danger of the aggressive Islamic war cult .... confront it and contain it .... let them reform themselves .... to conform with universal democratic norms .... then we all march forward to a Libertarian free trade world .... of peace and abundance !
the only tribe interested in that strategy is the zionazi tribe. the best bet would be to annihialate the zionazi tribe and allow the arabs and persians to pump cheap oil to the west without fear of retribution.
"zionazi". Did you coin that word? Because if you did you deserve a trophy. That's a very, very symbolic word that is bang on the money. Well done.