Retail investors (however many are left) locked out of selling this morning by well-timed "glitches", and being direct to toll-free phone numbers to complete trades right about the time PPT members likely began selling the same lot of Apple stock back and forth, bidding it up as they pass it back and forth ... nah, #notriggedatall
Welcome to the escalating FIAT currency war as countries are stepping in to protect their markets using every means necessary. China just got schooled.
How much money poof'd into nothing through margin calls and how much more did the FED expand its balance sheet by CTRL+P'ing to bounce the market back up 1000 points? What's another few hundred billion in the pool of trillions...meeh.
Re: your question on the Fed expanding its balance sheet, just look at all the red volume on the bottom of the chart above, beginning at the rise and continuing through the rise. Compare that blotch of red to the tiny volume for most of the rest of the day, except very early. Maybe you can't see how much the Fed spent in that chart, but you can sure as fuck see how much the Fed bought.
Today proved QEx is just another few apps mentioned in an e-mail...that was all that drove the market. App heard around the world? appy, appy, appy, so appy.
The USD has been crashing alongside US stocks. Is this a response from the US to the Asian brethern that we can devalue just as well and tank your markets in the process?
Ok, I know *what's* going on, but I'm a little fuzzy on exactly how this happens. Conceptually I see how it might work but there's got to be a money trail here...
if you look at the 30% percent crash from september 19 to mid october of 2008, there were plenty of days that went green...so this aint over by any means....
It took over a year for the market to drop by 60 percent or so from 2007 to 2009...so it might easily take several months this time..
It takes that long because TPTB can't have their winnings erased in just a day. So a few phone calls are made, orders are placed, algos are tuned, and the market 'recovers' miraculously. THEN and only then do the big boys make their shorting positions to be done over then next several months.
You got to laugh. This is just a false flag if you want to call it, making sure everyone does not panic sell. Is it not clear yet? Then when it is time,which is soon, POOF!!!! The show is over. In summary, do not let this get you pissed and down. It is all part of the plan and we will have our justice.
I thought about this being a false flag to lull others into buying the dip for the real fall.
But what if it not. Was this China making an economic attack. And if so, the attack was not of much success it seems. If it was China what will be the response? Another chemical warehouse explosion or something more? Or would China not wait and instead make another attack first.
Yes, since 1971 (at least in the u.s.) new money creation has not required any real collateral. Bankers and financiers are nothing but useless middlemen between the computer/printer where money is created and the producer/consumer in the real economy.
Off with their heads! Time to cut out the middle man!
+1. And if it doesn't reverse today - they will sell those candle whicks tomorrow...all......day.......long. There is no reason to be a buyer here. Redemptions will be hot and heavy. Especially after the ramp job of this morning! Its like God giving everybody a second chance to get the fuck out! Thanks Janet, Tim et al. Something the Chinese could only dream of.
Lesson learned. There is nothing the printing presses and the PPT can't correct in the stock market. The whole thing is an illusion or a "matrix" of an unreal world. As long as this world of illusion exists and the perception by the masses is strength in U.S. Markets, then there is no chance investors will run to the BRICS, the AIIB or any other exchange, even though their governments know they are getting screwed and push for the change.
Come on Goldman Sachs made an easy 25% on NFLX in one hour.
THAT IS HOW YOU DO GOD'S WORK!!!!!!
Retail investors on the other hand couldn't have got their orders filled this morning in a million years.
So what are the odds of a 2000+ point swing in the DOW in three hours? One in 100 billion?
Wasn't in on Friday that I said the machines would lead us to this point when decades of trading would happen in a single day. That we would watch in awe as thousand point moves occurred hourly and there would be nothign we could do to stop it.
So, in the green for the day, yet millions of legitimate positions completely wiped out by the transient shock wave. Sounds like the place to park my money.
As of March 31, households and nonprofits held $24.1 trillion in stocks. That’s both directly, and through mutual funds, pension funds and the like. That also includes the holdings of U.S.-based hedge funds, though you’d have to think that most hedge funds are held by households.
Using the Dow Jones Total Stock Market index DWCF, -1.05% through midmorning trade, that number had dropped to $22.32 trillion.
Abstain from voting. Support candidates like Ron Paul (or dare I say it - Trump!)
Anything to remove support for the military and industrial complex.
A good start would be to buy gold and not participate in the scam you have of a stock market.
Throw your TVs out and stop consuming blindly.
Many ways to skin the cat, but one thing is for sure, if you continue taking the easy options and just go with the flow, what you have is what you will get.
A radio shill for the fascist state going by the name of Dave Ramsey tells everyone they are crazy if they don't put all their excess money into IRA's and other mutual fund schemes. After a few more rounds of profit taking, how many people will realize their retirements are being robbed blind? They didn't get it the last three times.
If you have to keep cash, might as well stuff it into a mattress. The assholes are probably going to inflate it all away in any case, but no reason to have your shit stolen before then by "the market" or banks directly.
I could be wrong, but I think we'll see more selling this afternoon as day traders and momentum traders rush to cash out their 10% winnings at the casino.
THIS HAS BEEN A TEST OF THE MARKET CRASHING SYSTEM, IF THIS HAD BEEN AN ACTUAL CRASH, THE WARNING TONES YOU JUST RECEIVED WOULD HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED BY IMPORTANT INFORMATION REGARDING SOYLENT GREEN DISTRIBUTION CENTERS AND COWER-IN-PLACE SHELTERS. KEEP CALM AND REMEMBER, THE MARKET NEVER CRASHES WHILE MANY TRADERS ARE ON HOLIDAY.
PPT? I cannot believe that anyone actually still invests in the american manipulated markets anymore. But then again, my IQ is 50 points above the average.
Doubtful. They will rally the market now and then in September they will look back on this particularly volatile period and tell you that these events caused them to reconsider the rate hike as the "economy" is not "right" yet. So sorry! That will essentially have the effect of another QE without the QE and it is Party On! DOW 20K!
Robert Prechter - a man whose name I have used in vain until I was breathless - deconstructed the Crash of '29 carefully day by day. He said that intra-day the Dow rose after the morning's sell-off only to sell again at the end of the day.
Ah yes, the Fed doing what it does best: keeping the wealthy and comfortable, wealthy and comfortable while screwing everyone else. Nothing to see here, get back to shopping and raping the planet.
This mornings V shape recovery is pure PPT intervention. All they say on FBN is traders want to see how it ends at todays close.. I hope it collapses. I cant take this joke much longer. Seems like the PPT is trying to let the air out of this farce slowly by a few hundred point loses daily. I truly believe this market does not go down 1 point without PPT approval. If they PPT can bring back a 1k point loss in seconds I assume they can handle any selling pressure..
Just sick of it, the MSM lies. How on earth can they advise people to buy now? But if you are stupid enough to listen you deserve it.
My wife said to me think of our friends who cant get their $ out of their 401k as they make it near impossible now to get your funds out. I told her in all honestly they deserve exactly what they get. If people can't see this temporary propping up of the economy is nothing more then temporary, then F them. They can fight for a greeter position at Walmart.
Sooooo, trading futures, stocks, or anything is simply too risky to be carried out by mere people any longer? And, "fundamentals" only matter if it makes something green? Right?
So many QE's, so many "Long" favorable rules, so many powerful investment bank's algos .....that the real market natural behavior is not longer working from years ago. Gentlement, we have an artificial version of a former real market
I just wonder, how many poor dumb fucks had their stop-loss orders go through efficiently, and when they tried to rebuy for the bounce found their accounts inaccesible?
You're at the mercy of the Rothschild syndicate, they will suck you dry, the plebs are just cattle. Now take your vaccine like good cattle, our medical cartel needs feedstock.
Guys, you know how there is a mania phase of bubbles? The mania of this bubble is not as obvious as past bubbles, and the reason is the average person is broke and not involved in this rally. So you have to look closer. This is not PPT. This is HFT and Hedgies buying the dip. The "mania" is how they're conditioned to buy the dip and buy it miliseconds before the next guy. That is a more subtle mania than we are used to, but we're not going to see a blow off top I don't think (unless we get hyperinflation). Instead the mania will be this "buy the dip one ms before the next guy" mentality, and when that ends, the mania will end, and we'll finally see a crash. As we saw today, traders clinged to headlines and bought milliseconds before the next guy, so this mania is in full swing still.
Here's a screw job. My friend could not access her online account all morning. When she called, they said "Don't worry, keep trying, your trades should post by 4pm". Now that she can get in, she took a hit from the -1,000+, but couldn't access during the bounce and recoup some of her losses.
There's a fat guy, smoking a big cigar laughing somewhere out there.
China, you guys suck at PPT.
Deez Nuts
I don't think it's over yet
Remain calm! ALL IS WELL! https://youtu.be/2jqQsDklQEM
What crash?
Kevin earned a case of Budweiser today!
Kevin is going to need to bring his check book tomorrow and every day.
Retail investors (however many are left) locked out of selling this morning by well-timed "glitches", and being direct to toll-free phone numbers to complete trades right about the time PPT members likely began selling the same lot of Apple stock back and forth, bidding it up as they pass it back and forth ... nah, #notriggedatall
I told you all this morning to buy the fucking dip
Hold onto that thought. PPT must have taken a coffee break or broke out the "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner and went home. It's rolling over again! :D
Yeah cause I told y'all there would be a dead kitty bounce.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-24/deutsche-bank-sums-it-fragility...
1000 pts? "Just because"
It un-escalated quickly as un-markets do
It's un-un-escalating quickly too
The Plunge Protection Team ran out of Ammo...
Dammit Janet...Print moar ammo...fast. The hordes are crashing through the defenses.
No more sell! Onlry buy!!!
So biggest point swing, ever? at least in the top 5. Something smells like Hillary Clinton's (insert expletive)
Jesus man...I just threw up in my mouth...truth or not, stow that visual.
http://www.southpark.nl/clips/155547/inside-the-snizz
Snuke in her snizz...
Stay up wind https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/sand-cankles.jpg
They used to use ammonia in those smelling salts but found the scent of "Hillary after a 5k" worked better.
In fact, they are going to start using that to revive dead people.
pods
Don't do them any favor
it wont revive dead people it makes them rot faster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw9CALKOvAI 'Bubble Pop!'
Geez. Don't do this to me. Why did I ever come back to the US? This video brings back expat memories. For the younger guys: go to Asia.
That video is more like between bubbles pop. Tap and pop.
I will admit, this is fun to watch. Even if I am watching the world I live in explode.
Nope, but they have to keep doing it while the rest of the world tanks, but I'm not worried, Cramer is confident, heavy on the con part....
Just another weekend at Bernie's!
If there was was one video that perfectly captures what is coming it would be the end of "The Perfect Storm"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9Tdw5nG4dQ
I would suggest this instead - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBWbpFz3wac.
Don't count your chickens yet. The real EM collapse is coming...
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2015/08/christine-hughes-on-emerging-marke...
Why you steal my avatar?
I've been using this avatar for years now...
just get married.
even same sex now OK.
You have a duty to your symbol.
Comrades and bed fellows.
LOL. Two Communards arguing over property rights....
Hah
LOL you know I'm mocking it, right?
If there is someone who is reading ZH and NOT knowing you are mocking, they should turn their CPU off and immediately go run into traffic.
LOL
Commie Fight!
What is that? Obama fighting Hitlery?
Who stole who's what?
Latin American Bank stocks are on sale on the foyer.
Dear Plebes,
BTFD has now been officially replaced in the lexicon by BTFC - Buy The Fookin Crash
Signed
The PPT
They can suspend trading but how long can they suspend reality?
Kevin Henry on Crack!!!!
Get your crazy pills here. Red hot crazy pills fresh out of the oven !
Gimme a dozen and I'll wash them down with unicorn pee.......
God showering his blessings on the land of the free. Or Old Yeller's put.
You mean a golden shower for those buying the dip
or goldman sachs giving golden showers. After all they are baals chosen.
"Please resume your normal activities. Everything is fine."
Most. Retarded. Day. Ever.
As if Brawndo went publc today or something...
This is the date that Buynet became self-aware.
Lol!!! +1000... in this depraved world, ZH is truly a bastion of sanity. Love the witty comments and the comradery
It's first day of self awareness and it gets to experience embarassment. "Oh shit, was that too much?"
Whats a trillion dollars amongst friends?
Good thing that Cramer was right about all of that "money on the sidelines just waiting for the bottom."
Don't look now. It could still close down 3%. And again, and again
QE4 har officially started...they just haven't informed and disclosed yet.
Welcome to the escalating FIAT currency war as countries are stepping in to protect their markets using every means necessary. China just got schooled.
How much money poof'd into nothing through margin calls and how much more did the FED expand its balance sheet by CTRL+P'ing to bounce the market back up 1000 points? What's another few hundred billion in the pool of trillions...meeh.
Re: your question on the Fed expanding its balance sheet, just look at all the red volume on the bottom of the chart above, beginning at the rise and continuing through the rise. Compare that blotch of red to the tiny volume for most of the rest of the day, except very early. Maybe you can't see how much the Fed spent in that chart, but you can sure as fuck see how much the Fed bought.
Today proved QEx is just another few apps mentioned in an e-mail...that was all that drove the market. App heard around the world? appy, appy, appy, so appy.
You mean Mr. Yellen didn't send kramer dude an email this morning?
The USD has been crashing alongside US stocks. Is this a response from the US to the Asian brethern that we can devalue just as well and tank your markets in the process?
Ok, I know *what's* going on, but I'm a little fuzzy on exactly how this happens. Conceptually I see how it might work but there's got to be a money trail here...
-Argenta
That money trail is surely laced with cyanide and arsenic. Follow it at your own peril.
if you look at the 30% percent crash from september 19 to mid october of 2008, there were plenty of days that went green...so this aint over by any means....
It took over a year for the market to drop by 60 percent or so from 2007 to 2009...so it might easily take several months this time..
Or like 4-6 weeks.
It takes that long because TPTB can't have their winnings erased in just a day. So a few phone calls are made, orders are placed, algos are tuned, and the market 'recovers' miraculously. THEN and only then do the big boys make their shorting positions to be done over then next several months.
Nothing to see here.
You got to laugh. This is just a false flag if you want to call it, making sure everyone does not panic sell. Is it not clear yet? Then when it is time,which is soon, POOF!!!! The show is over. In summary, do not let this get you pissed and down. It is all part of the plan and we will have our justice.
I thought about this being a false flag to lull others into buying the dip for the real fall.
But what if it not. Was this China making an economic attack. And if so, the attack was not of much success it seems. If it was China what will be the response? Another chemical warehouse explosion or something more? Or would China not wait and instead make another attack first.
The stock "recovery" is as real as the general economy's "recovery".
Only on Wall street can you FAIL all day long and still be rewarded thanks to Big Government/TBTF. Well, threre is that and being a welfare parasite.
Yes, since 1971 (at least in the u.s.) new money creation has not required any real collateral. Bankers and financiers are nothing but useless middlemen between the computer/printer where money is created and the producer/consumer in the real economy.
Off with their heads! Time to cut out the middle man!
Now back to our regularly scheduled distraction.
Handloading ammo while hitting the rotgut, I'm all over it......
SNB loading the boat.
Interesting how the down spike was on a full day's volume and the reversal a low volume melt up.
+1. And if it doesn't reverse today - they will sell those candle whicks tomorrow...all......day.......long. There is no reason to be a buyer here. Redemptions will be hot and heavy. Especially after the ramp job of this morning! Its like God giving everybody a second chance to get the fuck out! Thanks Janet, Tim et al. Something the Chinese could only dream of.
Lesson learned. There is nothing the printing presses and the PPT can't correct in the stock market. The whole thing is an illusion or a "matrix" of an unreal world. As long as this world of illusion exists and the perception by the masses is strength in U.S. Markets, then there is no chance investors will run to the BRICS, the AIIB or any other exchange, even though their governments know they are getting screwed and push for the change.
Come on Goldman Sachs made an easy 25% on NFLX in one hour.
THAT IS HOW YOU DO GOD'S WORK!!!!!!
Retail investors on the other hand couldn't have got their orders filled this morning in a million years.
So what are the odds of a 2000+ point swing in the DOW in three hours? One in 100 billion?
Wasn't in on Friday that I said the machines would lead us to this point when decades of trading would happen in a single day. That we would watch in awe as thousand point moves occurred hourly and there would be nothign we could do to stop it.
So, in the green for the day, yet millions of legitimate positions completely wiped out by the transient shock wave. Sounds like the place to park my money.
1 in 1 US Fed
Who in their right fucking mind in the financial world thinks this is normal???
As of March 31, households and nonprofits held $24.1 trillion in stocks. That’s both directly, and through mutual funds, pension funds and the like. That also includes the holdings of U.S.-based hedge funds, though you’d have to think that most hedge funds are held by households.
Using the Dow Jones Total Stock Market index DWCF, -1.05% through midmorning trade, that number had dropped to $22.32 trillion.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/households-still-hold-22-trillion-in-st...
11:51 AM ET.
In just a few years, crash-and-recovery will be a couple of minute bars on the day's chart. Us organic beings will hardly even notice.
Yawn. What are you guys worried about. Just had a delicious lunch for 10 Real. Got cash motherfuckers...?
"Markets". - LOL!
I see nothing but a Chart of Theft.
You are all (well the majority at least) supporting this farce by re-electing the one fascist government after the other.
It is smoke and mirrors and it will not succeed in the longer run.
It will continue until you realize paper money is just paper, and a promise.
How do you not elect these so-called governments? Would be nice to know.
Abstain from voting. Support candidates like Ron Paul (or dare I say it - Trump!)
Anything to remove support for the military and industrial complex.
A good start would be to buy gold and not participate in the scam you have of a stock market.
Throw your TVs out and stop consuming blindly.
Many ways to skin the cat, but one thing is for sure, if you continue taking the easy options and just go with the flow, what you have is what you will get.
Another 8 years with a fake president.???
I am not sure the world will survive that.
In my humble opinion.
Who exactly is buying?
My best guess is the fed and corptocracy.
ultimately My grandkids apparently, via the man
My best guess is the trading desks that are eating all this on the buy side will be taking their prrofits off the table before Wednesday close.
God bless Donald Trump and keep Caitlyn Jenner safe.
... now please carry on with your normal day to day activities, nothing to see here.
When the REAL crash starts, the talking heads will be pointing to today's action, "see we called a bounce, BTFD!"
As soon as they actually allowed the markets (hahahaha!) to open today, you could see this was coming.
Otherwise, they wouldn't have opened the markets.
Isn't that obvious to everybody yet?
A radio shill for the fascist state going by the name of Dave Ramsey tells everyone they are crazy if they don't put all their excess money into IRA's and other mutual fund schemes. After a few more rounds of profit taking, how many people will realize their retirements are being robbed blind? They didn't get it the last three times.
If you have to keep cash, might as well stuff it into a mattress. The assholes are probably going to inflate it all away in any case, but no reason to have your shit stolen before then by "the market" or banks directly.
Yellen past out with her finger on the buy key.
The plunge erasure team is on the job!
I could be wrong, but I think we'll see more selling this afternoon as day traders and momentum traders rush to cash out their 10% winnings at the casino.
THIS HAS BEEN A TEST OF THE MARKET CRASHING SYSTEM, IF THIS HAD BEEN AN ACTUAL CRASH, THE WARNING TONES YOU JUST RECEIVED WOULD HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED BY IMPORTANT INFORMATION REGARDING SOYLENT GREEN DISTRIBUTION CENTERS AND COWER-IN-PLACE SHELTERS. KEEP CALM AND REMEMBER, THE MARKET NEVER CRASHES WHILE MANY TRADERS ARE ON HOLIDAY.
Sometimes pranks make people panic:
https://youtu.be/yUuH1g31wZg?t=4m21s
Yet another stick-save. It's a miracle on ice!
What.. a... fucking... fraud!
PPT? I cannot believe that anyone actually still invests in the american manipulated markets anymore. But then again, my IQ is 50 points above the average.
PUMP 8===D~ THE (_(_.) DUMP
edit
The Fed stole ServPro's TM, "Like it never even happened"
So interest rate increase on
and risk turned off
Doubtful. They will rally the market now and then in September they will look back on this particularly volatile period and tell you that these events caused them to reconsider the rate hike as the "economy" is not "right" yet. So sorry! That will essentially have the effect of another QE without the QE and it is Party On! DOW 20K!
The power of Gartman!
Fundamentals have changed since yesterday.
"Well that un-escalated quickly..."
Niche opportunity. Monitoring stocks and jacking price back up, but FED might have monopoly on it already.
So crasy
Robert Prechter - a man whose name I have used in vain until I was breathless - deconstructed the Crash of '29 carefully day by day. He said that intra-day the Dow rose after the morning's sell-off only to sell again at the end of the day.
Ah yes, the Fed doing what it does best: keeping the wealthy and comfortable, wealthy and comfortable while screwing everyone else. Nothing to see here, get back to shopping and raping the planet.
This mornings V shape recovery is pure PPT intervention. All they say on FBN is traders want to see how it ends at todays close.. I hope it collapses. I cant take this joke much longer. Seems like the PPT is trying to let the air out of this farce slowly by a few hundred point loses daily. I truly believe this market does not go down 1 point without PPT approval. If they PPT can bring back a 1k point loss in seconds I assume they can handle any selling pressure..
Just sick of it, the MSM lies. How on earth can they advise people to buy now? But if you are stupid enough to listen you deserve it.
My wife said to me think of our friends who cant get their $ out of their 401k as they make it near impossible now to get your funds out. I told her in all honestly they deserve exactly what they get. If people can't see this temporary propping up of the economy is nothing more then temporary, then F them. They can fight for a greeter position at Walmart.
Why do you care about any of it?
Market down....
Market up....
Minority babies being hacked to death and harvested for profits to funnel back to the DNC.
Nothing changes
Sooooo, trading futures, stocks, or anything is simply too risky to be carried out by mere people any longer? And, "fundamentals" only matter if it makes something green? Right?
Just think how much money the govt could make with a Tobin Tax?
(tax on every trade)
Green, baby, green
It's such a resiliant market, isn't it? It's a marvel!
Worth bringing up at the next Rotary Club Meeting for sure.
Green starting to look pretty reddish in the past half hour or so.
Step 1: Turn off the machines to the Muppets
Step 2: Lay in the VIG
Step 3: Turn the machines back on
Step 4: Allow CNBC to trumpet the "recovery".
Step 5: Rape the Muppets AGAIN.
EASY!
Buy lots of Vaseline.
So many QE's, so many "Long" favorable rules, so many powerful investment bank's algos .....that the real market natural behavior is not longer working from years ago. Gentlement, we have an artificial version of a former real market
I just wonder, how many poor dumb fucks had their stop-loss orders go through efficiently, and when they tried to rebuy for the bounce found their accounts inaccesible?
You mean like this?:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/08/24/investors-report-problems...
FED rate hike in September.
You're at the mercy of the Rothschild syndicate, they will suck you dry, the plebs are just cattle. Now take your vaccine like good cattle, our medical cartel needs feedstock.
Dow Up 1000 Points"?!
When do the damn breakers kick in?
Sorry, those breakers only work in one direction.
This is like being sodomized in your sleep and given a pain killer, you know something bad happened but every thing is kind of foggy.
What you call a Bill Cosby market.
Its in the water, I tell ya! It's in the water!
Look out belooooooooooooow! (again)
just BTFD! period
TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY
Guys, you know how there is a mania phase of bubbles? The mania of this bubble is not as obvious as past bubbles, and the reason is the average person is broke and not involved in this rally. So you have to look closer. This is not PPT. This is HFT and Hedgies buying the dip. The "mania" is how they're conditioned to buy the dip and buy it miliseconds before the next guy. That is a more subtle mania than we are used to, but we're not going to see a blow off top I don't think (unless we get hyperinflation). Instead the mania will be this "buy the dip one ms before the next guy" mentality, and when that ends, the mania will end, and we'll finally see a crash. As we saw today, traders clinged to headlines and bought milliseconds before the next guy, so this mania is in full swing still.
Sheeple-shearing muppet stop-hunt?
Here's a screw job. My friend could not access her online account all morning. When she called, they said "Don't worry, keep trying, your trades should post by 4pm". Now that she can get in, she took a hit from the -1,000+, but couldn't access during the bounce and recoup some of her losses.
There's a fat guy, smoking a big cigar laughing somewhere out there.
http://oi60.tinypic.com/1jlqfq.jpg
FED software. I wonder how long they plan to hold ownership of the world's corporations. Maybe forever.
Goal-seeked indices = "free market" communism