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Western Democracy Is An Endangered Species On Its Way To Extinction

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Submitted by Paul Craig Roberts,

The British Labour Party no longer represents the working class. Under UK prime minister Tony Blair, the Labour Party became a vassal of the One Percent. The result has been a rebellion in the ranks and the rise of Jeremy Corbyn, a principled Labourite intent on representing the people, a no-no in Western “democracies.”

Corbyn is too real for the Labour Party Blairites, who hope to be rewarded with similar nest eggs as Blair for representing the capitalist One Percent. So what is the corrupted Labour Party doing to prevent Corbyn’s election?

The answer is that it is denying the vote to Corbyn supporters. You can read the story here:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/britains-labour-party-purge-is-underway-preventing-supporters-from-voting-for-jeremy-corbyn/5471194

The illegal Egyptian military dictatorship that overthrew on Washington’s orders the first democratically elected government in Egyptian history has issued an edict prohibiting journalists from contradicting the military dictatorship. In brief, the dictatorship installed by Washington has outlawed facts.

Washington rejected the government that the Egyptian people elected, because it appeared that the democratically elected government would have a foreign policy that was at least partially independent of Washington’s. Remember, according to the neocons who, together with Israel, control US foreign policy, countries with independent foreign policies, such as Iran, Russia, and China, are America’s “greatest threats.”

The Egyptian military thugs, following Washington’s orders, have more or less eliminated all of the leadership of the political party that was democratically elected. The party was called the Muslim Brotherhood. In the presstitute Western media, the political party was described more or less as al Qaeda, and how are the ignorant, brainwashed, and propagandized Americans to know any difference? Certainly neither “their” government nor the presstitute media will ever tell them.

With the military dictatorship’s edict, independent news reporting no longer exists in Egypt. Washington is pleased and rewards the dictatorship with bags full of money paid by the hapless and helpless American taxpayers.

Americans should keep in mind that most of the dollars that they pay in income tax are spent either spying upon themselves and the world or killing people in many countries. Without resources taken from American taxpayers millions of women, children, and village elders would still be alive in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, Ukraine, South Ossetia, and other countries. America is the greatest exporter of violence the world has ever known. So wear your patriotism on your sleeve and be proud. You are a depraved citizen of the world’s worst killer nation. Compared to the USA, Rome was a piker.

France herself seems to be collapsing as a democracy and no longer respects her own laws. According to this report from Kumaran Ira on World Socialist Website https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/08/19/fkil-a19.html ,

“In the name of the “war on terror,” the French state is dramatically accelerating its use of clandestine operations to extra-judicially murder targeted individuals. French President François Hollande reportedly possesses a “kill list” of potential targets and constantly reviews the assassination program with high-ranking military and intelligence officers.

 

“This program of state murder, violating basic constitutional rights in a country where the death penalty is illegal, underscores the profound decay of French bourgeois democracy. Amid escalating imperialist wars in France’s former colonial empire and deepening political crisis at home, the state is moving towards levels of criminality associated with the war against Algerian independence and the Vichy regime of Occupied France.”

Where do you suppose the socialist president of France got his idea of an illegal and unconstitutional “kill list”? If you answer from “America’s First Black President,” you are correct.

The French people should be outraged that “their” president is nothing more than a murderer and an agent of Washington. But they aren’t. False flag operations have made them fearful. The French like other Western peoples, have ceased to think.

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Every western democracy is gone with the wind. Washed up, Finished. Every value that defined Western civilization and made it great has been flushed by power and greed and arrogance.

Proconsuls have replaced democracy.

I certainly do not believe that Western civilization was ever pure as snow and devoid of sins and crimes against humanity. But it is a fact that in Western civilization, despite the numerous injustices, reforms were possible that improved life for the lower classes. Reforms were possible that restricted the rapaciousness of the rich and powerful. In the US reforms made the impossible come true: ladders of upward mobility made it possible for members of the lowest economic class to become multimillionaires. And this actually happened.

The governments in Washington committed many crimes, but on occasion Washington prevented crimes. Remember President Eisenhower’s ultimatum to Washington’s British, French, and Israeli allies to remove themselves from the Suez Canal in Egypt or else.

Today Washington pushes its allies to commit crimes against humanity. That is what NATO and the National Endowment for Democracy are for.

In my lifetime Americans have always had a good opinion of themselves. But in the 21st century this good opinion has hyper-jumped into hubris and arrogance. If you haven’t been around very long in terms of a human life, you don’t see this. But older people do.

Just as the Roman Empire ended in the destruction of the Roman people, the American Empire will end in the destruction of the American people. Judging from histories, Roman citizens were superior to American citizens; yet, Rome failed.

Americans shouldn’t expect any other outcome. The price to be paid for insouciance, self-satisfaction, and complicity is high.

 

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Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:04 | 6475994 stock market loser
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Thanks alot Obama. Thanks for turning the US into an immigration hell zone. Thanks zion for exterminating the white race. Heil hitler! 

 

 

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/08/25/426258/US-Syria-refugee

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:05 | 6476002 Overfed
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It was never meant to be a Democracy, goddammit!

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:16 | 6476038 Hugh G Rection
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I doubt 50% of my fellow Americans can even spell Constitutional Republic.

 

I just don't give a fuck anymore.  Telling the truth to morons is like laying pearls before swine. 

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:18 | 6476043 Dutti
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Usually I like PCR a lot. However in regards to his bashing of the Egyptian military rulers I disagree. Egypt was mismanaged under the Muslim Brotherhood. Turkey is going in that direction too.

Western style democracy is vastly overrated - it only works if you have a relatively smart, well educated electorate who can keep politicians at least partially in check. One of the few decent examples is Switzerland. Not so good examples are Brazil and Venezuela, where people are now disappointed that their elected leaders run the country into the ground despite promises of milk and honey for all.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:35 | 6476097 philipat
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I knew this was PCR from the summary. He uses the word "Insouciance" at least once in every piece he writes. It's a nice word but it does get boring, especially when there ARE other words to describe the same thing.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:39 | 6476106 philipat
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And btw, the US is NOT a democracy but a Constitutional Republic. A democracy is "Two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for lunch" and the concept was deliberately avoided by the Founding Fathers in favor of a Constitutional Republic, whereunder (At least in theory) "We the people"  as a body continue to be supreme and hold the power. Unfotunately.....................

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:02 | 6476149 El Vaquero
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" Judging from histories, Roman citizens were superior to American citizens; yet, Rome failed."

 

Judging from histories, Roman citizens allowed a dictator to take over the Roman Republic, so I'm going  to go with them being every bit as sheepish as the American public. 

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:22 | 6476183 Four chan
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whom ever uses the word democracy in relation to america is either a fucking idiot or a disinformation agent. and those who call them selves democrats are both. 

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 00:36 | 6476310 Santini Air
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Anyone who goes passively along with these false flag shootings is a shill and a moron.  They are going to be coming for your guns and these gutless, later-day "conservative" and "republicans" only have themselves to blame for letting things go this far.  For letting teh Marxist, Zionist media set the social agenda, determine the political climate.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 02:02 | 6476404 El Vaquero
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False flags exist, yet not all events are false flags.  I don't trust your nose for false flags.  You want a revolution?  Practice starving, because that's one of the nicer things that you'll experience. 

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 05:16 | 6476525 Balanced Integer
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I call bullshit on 90% of this article. I'd give it a zero rating if I could.

Yes, the Labour party has sold out to the 1%. That much is obvious.

The Muslim Brotherhood is the godfather of groups like Al Qaeda, Hamas, the PLO, and Islamic jihad everywhere. Facts are facts, no matter how much the other would like to dismiss it as media propaganda. Furthermore, the Obama administration was a big supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood government. Don't let it be forgotten, also, that the MB squeezed out all other representative parties when the new constitution was drafted, virtually guaranteeing that the MB would hold onto power in perpetuity. If that isn't a "democratically elected" dictatorship, I have some copper pennies I'd like to trade you for silver American Eagles, one for one.

Of course we continued our financial and military aid to Egypt after al-Sisi took power! Have you guys forgotten that RUSSIA was the main influence in Egypt before Kissinger turned the tables and got American influence in there instead. The result was a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel that has held for DECADES. Of course, a lot of ZHers would LOVE to see America retreat from Egypt so Russia could move back in and become an even bigger thorn in our side.

As for the quote-unquote superiority of the Roman over the American: Bullshit! The demise of the Western Roman Empire saw the same complacent, self-entitled, arrogant citizen that we see in our country today. The two brands are equal in every way, and I would say that even compared to one another's heyday, the average American citizen was better educated, better equipped, and possessed greater wealth than the average Roman citizen.

And don't forget, author, that the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire lasted well into the 15th century, and they referred to themselves as romanoi, even a century after the Turks conquered them.

As for the "fact" that the lowest of the low classes were unable to climb the economic ladder to multimillion dollar wealth before modern labor laws (and the rise of unions, by implication): Benjamin Franklin had two rolls of bread to his name and became the largest print publisher in the colonies and the new republic it became. His accumulated wealth was easily in the millions adjusted for today's worthless dollars script.

Andrew Carnegie immigrated with his dirt poor family from Scotland. He worked his way up to become the largest steel magnate in the world. In the last 18 years of his life he donated $220 million dollars to charities. 90% of his wealth. $225 BILLION in 2011 script. This had the effect of setting off a wave of chairtable giving by his wealthy contemporaries. That's just TWO examples of the lowest of the lower classes rising up to acheive vast wealth. There are countless others. My parents were also dirt poor, and they raised themselves up to the middle class. My Dad did so well that my Mom was able to quit her job and stay home with for my brothers and I, and it happened WITHOUT union involvement.

The ignorance this author displays of Western history, and American history in particular would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. But that is a symptom of far too many people in the West these days.

Now I fully expect a shitstorm of red arrows and critical posts in response. Fire away, ZeroHedge! Those red arrows won't press themselves!

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 05:54 | 6476563 negative rates
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Fuck the brits as they can keep their bullshit!! 

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 13:42 | 6478158 Leopold B. Scotch
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I do not cry for democracy that places agendas ahead of individual liberty.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 07:54 | 6476724 Dutti
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Balanced Integer, Thanks, good points, independent thinking and well written! You should write more often!

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 12:52 | 6477951 Caleb Abell
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"The Muslim Brotherhood is the godfather of groups like Al Qaeda ..."

 

Actually, the godfather of Al Qaeda and violent muslim extremism was Zbignew Breszinski.  His purported idea was to use it as a tool to cripple communism.  The unstated objective of this foreign born Polish immigrant was to satisfy his rabid Polish hatred for all things Russian.  We're still paying the price for Carter's poorly thought out decision to hire this wannabee Kissinger (another foreign born war criminal).

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 05:37 | 6476554 Tall Tom
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Well El Vaq...

 

Starvation is coming to America whether we have a revolution...or not.

 

When the Financial System implodes the food will ROT IN THE FIELDS and the cities will starve. The entire infrastructure implodes as Truck Drivers will not drive without some assurance of fair pay. The Banks will be TOAST.

 

This happened in the former Soviet Union. It will happen here in the USSA. (You are wise to grow your own crops, El Vaq...)

 

The Financial System is on the precipce of total failure and collapse as I write, El Vaq. You know this as well as I do.

 

And as for yesterday's shooting?

 

9 mms are used for their STOPPING POWER. When you are hit you are going to the ground, El Vaq. You are not going to be running away after you are hit.

 

You know? KINETIC ENERGY and all that shit that we have taught over the many decades?

 

I watched the video. She was the first targeted. The cameraman was next and it seems that he fell on the assailant knocking away the Cellphone.

 

The TIMING of the attack was to distract you from the story of the impending Economic Meltdown. It was staged.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 05:56 | 6476566 negative rates
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All the world is a stage, and most of us are desperately UNDER rehearsted.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 07:18 | 6476653 DanDaley
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I always wonder about the logistics of some staged event (false flag) like this. Were there wet-works guys and cleaners all over the place as it went down waiting to step in? Is that fat shooter really dead now, or is he laughing it up over a beer in Brazil? Was the shooter in on it, or was he a total CIA/FBI dupe who had been fed, sublimininally or otherwise, instructions or suggestions? A lot to ponder in an operation such as this -if that is what it is. On the other hand, a distraction from the impending economic implosion seems plausible as there is much to be gained for TPTB in terms of wratcheting ever tighter control of the plebes.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 10:51 | 6477405 El Vaquero
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People don't always go to the ground with a 9mm.  A local woman had a Taurus Mellinium chambered in 40S&W.  The things aren't drop-safe and she dropped hers.  The bullet entered into her abdomen traveling upwards and went into her liver.  It left a nasty wound that remained open with a special mesh over it for months.  You could see inside of her.  She was asked about the initial event, and she stated that she could have kept on moving. 

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 10:06 | 6477199 Santini Air
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"False flags exist, yet not all events are false flags.  I don't trust your nose for false flags."

Sorry, but if you can't see the events yesterday for what they are you do not have any nose for false flags.  This is another classic fake shooting that so many excellent investigators have been taking apart and debunking for the past 2 years.  Classic case... no blood at the crime scene, shooter is tied to the media or entertainment industry, alleged racism, makes point in writing of how easy it was for him to get a gun, attractive female "victim" for sheeple to relate to and get angry over.  And yes, we do practice fasting a few times a year.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 12:12 | 6477754 El Vaquero
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I've shot living animals before.  Nothing in the video is inconsistent with what can happen when killing a living animal with a firearm. 

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 01:54 | 6476395 ThirdWorldDude
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Absolutely right.

USSA, as well as a majority of its vassal states worldwide, is nowadays a plutarchy.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 11:43 | 6477608 Victor von Doom
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Whoever uses the word Democracy to describe any place on Earth except ancient Athens doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. Even then it wasn't universal - males of Athenian descent and birth only. And only the ones that could afford to take the day off to shoot the shit in the forum.

Democracy was, is, and always will be the worst form of government possible. Even when it does work - without the almost universal corruption - all you end up getting is the rule of the lowest common denominator - ie: ruled by fuckwits!

"My greatest flaw. I surround myself with idiots"

- Victor von Doom

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 07:12 | 6476644 Arnold
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"Judging from histories, Roman citizens allowed a dictator to take over the Roman Republic, so I'm going  to go with them being every bit as sheepish as the American public. "

 

And a horse.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitatus

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 11:49 | 6477650 Victor von Doom
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"And a horse."

- That was bullshit - like all the bullshit about the emperor Caligula - spun by Seutonius - a Jew. Check the histories again. Continuous histories up until Caligula, and after him as well. But him - only Seutonius' take survives. Given Caligula had a major beef with the Jews of the Kingdom of Judea at the time I wouldn't take Seutonius at his word.

 

"My greatest flaw. I surround myself with idiots."

- Victor von Doom

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:19 | 6476176 Dutti
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Love your quote "Two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for lunch". However, I would like an example where the gullible majority of voters are not put on par with smart and strong wolves ;-)

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 00:09 | 6476269 monad
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How about "6 coyotes and a lapdog deciding what's for dinner"?

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 04:29 | 6476514 monad
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How about this? Today my last friend died, Harvard '32. This the only day I ever held this warrior in my arms. Its good that he didn't need me to tell him he kicked ass, because he was so weak he was just hanging on.

Now its your turn. Fuckers. I'm going to kill you all, as efficiently as possibly. I don't want to miss a single one of you.

Any questions?

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 02:31 | 6476426 fleur de lis
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@Dutti, That PCR is using a socialist source to make his point means he has no grasp of history. What socialist revolution ever brought peace and prosperity? America is overrun by socialist termites and thier policies and we have nothing to show for it but disaster.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 05:10 | 6476543 fleur de lis
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Dear DownVoter,

Please do tell which socialist revoulution/policiy made our society better. 

Thanks!

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 12:13 | 6477756 Memedada
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I don't vote on comments.

But see my comments below - there're no "socialist policies" in US. It's all capitalism/fascism.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 02:55 | 6476451 TeaClipper
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How long a list would you like of democratic countries that have been subverted by the US, because the US did not like that particular brand of democracy. And you can put Egypt and Venuzuela high up on that list, and lets just add Ukraine in there for some recent context as well.

You dont need a smart well educated electorate to run a democracy, you do need political freedom though, and that included freedom from outside interference. Fortunatly for the rest of the world, unfortunatly for the US, people are standing up to the bully, and they sense your weakness, which is why the US has zero standing, and zero respect worldwide now, and why your empire is dying.

There was a time when the world looked up to the US and wanted to be like you, but believe me, as someone who lives outside of that country I can tell you that is not the case anymore. When the US is mentioned it is with at best contempt, but more often hatred, and despair.

You had it all and you blew it, maybe now its time for your First Nation to rise up and wash its country clean again

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 08:52 | 6476890 Ace006
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Agreed.

>> despite promises of milk and honey for all. <<

Boy were they ever surprised when that didn't materialize!!

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 02:53 | 6476448 TheEndIsNear
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"Telling the truth to morons is like laying pearls before swine."

Thank you for that. It's somehow comforting to know that others are also frustrating in dealing with willfully ignorant people who are offended by facts and uninterested in truth. For example, It's surreal to talk to a person who thinks a Boeing 767 magically fit through a 16 foot diameter hole in the Pentagon walls, and that the wings with the enormous jet engines simply "folded back" and that the entire 65 Tons of aircraft plus passengers and luggage, all disappeared into vapor; not only at the Pentagon but at Shanksville as well. How do you talk with someone like that? I can't, and so I gave up, even though he was my brother.

 

 

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 07:03 | 6476635 Rakshas
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........hmmmmmm you know it's funny what you remember, for example I remember to this day GHW Bush and his famous - to me - utterance -  "This is Pearl Harbor Day. Forty-seven years ago to this very day, we were hit and hit hard at Pearl Harbor."  

But most people don't remember such details, memory is a funny thing; for example how many people remember Donald Rumdumb yammering on about some missing money (2.3 T) on September 10 2001?  Ok quite a few of you guys probably do but how many of us know that nearly 100% of the people looking for that money were in wedge 1 where the "bird" no wait  it was a Plane or was it SUPERMAN slammed into the Pentagram, er Pentagon. Really does it matter what hit the building? or does it matter more why that particular section was hit, well it probably doesn't matter much anymore given what's coming but still just to keep every thing straight and accounted for properly.  

So we had the distraction on September 11 that the world saw; but they didn't see what they were watching did they?  Like where the planes hit exactly...... maybe it's just my tinfoil hat talking but it sure seems suspicious to me...... 

Building 7 - what needs to be said about that.... but buildings 4 and 6 had some interesting goings on that seems to have been covered up quite nicely with the blanket of bullshit kindly provided by our government protectors

Ahhhhhh but what happened on September 12th or rather what didn't happen on September 12 that we will be living with for a very very long time or maybe not at the rate things are progressing.....

But yes you are correct about the moron thing.... blank stares  and yer fuckin' crazy talking that boolshit 'round here 'bout ma gubmint ..... but I thought you hated the revnewrs ma??

 

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:17 | 6476039 nmewn
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Yeah, I just got whiplash too.

We went from Tony Blair "democratically" skunking idiot Labourites (because they are in fact some of the dumbest fucks on the face of the earth) to DC middle eastern intrigue in two short paragraphs.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 03:29 | 6476474 dreadnaught
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used to wonder why Tony Blair went along with the Iraq war-then it dawned on me that GWB must have some compromising photos of him with a transvestite hooker

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 06:13 | 6476579 nmewn
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In this day & age that counts as a merit, not a demerit, a real job qualifier. It shows everyone that one has "evolved" to a higher life form and is more open ;-)

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:18 | 6476042 SMG
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So if there was anything worth fighting for, it is liberty for the common man.  This point in history is a turning pont for mankind.   Freedom or slavery?  It's up to us....

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:13 | 6476029 Hugh G Rection
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Does this mean Ann Margaret is NOT coming?

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:12 | 6476167 toady
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I get to keep my icrap, right?

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:44 | 6476216 TheReplacement
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PCR just lost buckets of respect with that comment about the "capitalist 1%". 

Apparently, everyone has a price and PCR is now getting paid.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 02:30 | 6476435 TeaClipper
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He is also very biased and very wrong if he believes that the US wanted the British and others out of the Suez Canal for anything other than American imperial ambitions. That Knight on a white charger going to the aid of the poor Egyptians is just pure and utter BS

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 07:22 | 6476657 Arnold
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I believe he lets an intern write the final piece of the season before they go back to school.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 02:27 | 6476428 TeaClipper
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Now you know how First nation Americans felt/feel, so suck it up.

And at least they know how to stick together. It's going to take a lot more pain until white folks learn they need each other, and who the heck knows where that leaves those coffee colored babies by the score

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 09:32 | 6477037 Ace006
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As long as whites can watch negroes run back and forth on basketball courts and Astroturf on cable TV they will be happy. That is what matters to us.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:04 | 6475995 stock market loser
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Thanks alot Obama. Thanks for turning the US into an immigration hell zone. Thanks zion for exterminating the white race. Heil hitler! 

 

 

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/08/25/426258/US-Syria-refugee

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:14 | 6476030 SmallerGovNow2
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Obama is the worst president EVER but he had a shit load of help with Clinton and GWB before him.  we won't even talk about the civil war, federal reserve act or nixon taking us off the gold standard.  but you get the drift...

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:09 | 6476012 Victor E. Overbanks
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[tl;dr]: DEATH TO AMERIKKKA!

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:10 | 6476017 thecondor
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This is the shitiest article I have ever read. 

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:15 | 6476035 SmallerGovNow2
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then you don't know dick.  welcome to the fight club ass hat...

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:03 | 6476127 thecondor
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OK let me rephrase that. It is the most poorly writen article I have ever read. There get it now fuck boy?

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:50 | 6476225 TheReplacement
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You could've just corrected to "shittiest" and it would all be good.

However, I agree.  This article is full of BS calling the US a democracy and blaming the "capitalist 1%".  One is foreced to think PCR is a communist disinformation agent now.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 00:46 | 6476331 Memedada
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1% who privately owns the means of production ( and the State) = capitalists by definition.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 06:08 | 6476573 nmewn
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George "The Rat" Soros, Warren "Trainset" Buffet, Michael "32oz" Bloomberg, Tom "Eco-Nazi" Steyer etc. are in fact fascists (that is to say, socialists) not capitalists.

And thats by anyones definition ;-)

 

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 07:51 | 6476719 Memedada
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Not mine.

Can I see your definition of socialism? Or capitalism for that matter?

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 09:28 | 6476926 Memedada
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My (the European/historical – not blurred by decades of capitalist propaganda) definition of the two terms:

Capitalism: an economy centered on the private ownership of the means of production.

Socialism: an economy centered on the common/social and/or public ownership of the means of production.

Notice that both economic systems can have STRONG STATES – or no state. Yes, socialism does not necessarily equates a huge state and/or bureaucracy. A capitalist state can have that as well. There’re in socialism (like in capitalism) many branches – from anarchist socialism (the real/historical and in all parts of the world except US libertarianism) to state socialism.

In capitalism you have ‘monopoly capitalism’ (the end result of all forms of capitalism) to laissez-faire capitalism (the wet dream of Ayn Rand disciples). The latter will naturally (due to the accumulative nature of capitalism) end in the former = the concentration of power/wealth in fewer and fewer hands.

To say that fascism is socialism is an insult to all the socialists that was murdered by fascists regimes (or killed figthing fascism) – together with labor-unionist, communists, anarchists/libertarians (the real sort that fight all forms of authority and not just the state) and left-wing intellectuals. Hitler banned the communist parties, the unions and the socialist parties. You will have a very hard time finding anyone from Europe (who have experienced full-blown fascism in recent history) who doesn’t know that fascism is an extreme right-wing ideology. We know who supported the fascists – in Denmark many of the right-wing newspapers that welcomed Hitler’s rise to power and later invasion of Denmark are still active today (Jyllands Posten, Berlingske Tidende), the conservative party of Denmark marched in brown-shirts and black boots with Swastikas-banners and the big business owners profited by the German war-machine (like they do today by the US war-machine) etc. etc. The same is true for all other European countries.

The absolute majority of freedom-fighters during WWII in Europa was left-wing + the international brigade that fought Franco’s fascism was comprised of anarchists and socialists (by the way they fought Stalin’s brigades just as fiercely as they fought the fascists). Orwell and Hemmingway have written extensively about this (they both participated).

 

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 09:35 | 6477054 Ace006
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= oligarchs.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 06:52 | 6476609 22winmag
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They're all commie disinfo agents. Every last "conservative talk show host" on the radio is actually a big government, law and (new world) order freak.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 08:23 | 6476804 thecondor
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The article is wrong. The author doesn't know dick. The fucker works for the WSJ. He's a fuck boy too. 

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:14 | 6476032 Lost in translation
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I thought we were a Republic (?)

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:21 | 6476056 Teh Finn
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If you RTFA, you will see that it isn't solely about the United States of Ogabastan.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:21 | 6476057 Shibumi2
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Thank You

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:43 | 6476115 Trucker Glock
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Unfortunate

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:20 | 6476052 Shibumi2
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PLEASE...does even ZH have to have it explained that France and America are REPUBLICS.....REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLICS...

 

REPUBLICS BITCHES...look it up

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:51 | 6476230 TheReplacement
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WERE.... they were.  No more.  Of course you are half correct.  They are not democracies either.  They are... duh duh duuuhhh... dicktasterships.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:20 | 6476053 Shibumi2
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PLEASE...does even ZH have to have it explained that France and America are REPUBLICS.....REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLICS...

 

REPUBLICS BITCHES...look it up

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:26 | 6476071 SmallerGovNow2
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lighten up Francis...

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:57 | 6476138 Hugh G Rection
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The name's Francis Sawyer... But everybody calls him psycho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pA1h1FjBZg

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:31 | 6476084 Hugh G Rection
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And our "representatives" sell their votes to war mongering maniacal joos.

 

As long as the bread and circuses stay up to par the average moron couldn't care less about these things.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:32 | 6476087 wet_nurse
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Were

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 01:19 | 6476357 Advoc8tr
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The historical definition only requires a semantic change to remain valid.

Then

republic r??p?bl?k noun noun: republic; plural noun: republics
  1. a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
    • archaic a group with a certain equality between its members.


      "the community of scholars and the republic of learning"

Now

  1. a state in which supreme power is held by the selected representatives and their people, and which has a selected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

 

The Republican agenda is surfacing here in Oz again. It was defeated last time because the wording of the question was loaded as usual.  I can guarantee you if a referendum to move to a Republic gets up (you can't find aperson who would vote no to the simple yes or no question) Supreme power to the people (ergo above the government) will not even be discussed let alone included.  And you can forget "inaleable" rights to own defensive weapons or speak your racist mind) They have stolen the word. Republic simply means all powerful President to the political class here and is the only reason they so desperately want it.  This so-called democratic parlimentary majority thing must actually still work a little and slows them down - it is the Liberal Party (Republican equivalent and staunch Monarchists historically) that are bringing it forward this time ?

 

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 03:31 | 6476476 ThirdWorldDude
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The problem with modern day "republics" is that "we the people" have been taught to think of politics only during election cycles. What is required for the definition to live up to its full meaning is constant vigilance of the people in enforcing their supreme power in the public sphere(res publica). Good luck with that...!

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:54 | 6476132 thecondor
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Ya we ain't no fucking republic anymore dude. Haven't been since the creation of the Federal Reserve. 

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:21 | 6476059 OC Sure
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Yes. We are in the Oligarchical phase on our way to Tyranny. 

How will PCR ever save the world while accepting the corrupted, erroneous language of his claimed adveraries?

"The first governments were kingships, probably for this reason, because of old, when cities were small, men of eminent virtue were few. Further, they were made kings because they were benefactors, and benefits can only be bestowed by good men. But when many persons equal in merit arose, no longer enduring the pre-eminence of one, they desired to have a commonwealth, and set up a constitution. The ruling class soon deteriorated and enriched themselves out of the public treasury; riches became the path to honor, and so oligarchies naturally grew up. These passed into tyrannies and tyrannies into democracies; for love of gain in the ruling classes was always tending to diminish their number, and so to strengthen the masses, who in the end set upon their masters and established democracies." Aristotle; Politics, III, 15

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:17 | 6476162 GRDguy
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How does anyone save anyone who doesn't want to be saved?  A good man tried to do that a long time ago, and was crucified for the effort.  No need to thump a book; just that people, as a group, haven't mentally evolved much.  So sad.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:36 | 6476098 ebworthen
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Welcome to the New Rome! 

All Hail Caesar!

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 00:45 | 6476330 22winmag
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Insert "the affirmative-action" between Hail and Caesar.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 09:45 | 6477091 Ace006
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Good won.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 03:13 | 6476464 lincis
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the problem is that, today there are more people in power with Caesar syndrome than there is people with healthy mindset. 

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:38 | 6476103 Goldilocks
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Ass licking sycophants are "simply doing their job."

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:43 | 6476114 lsd
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Didn't read the whole thing, but how can they be better than us, you met one of them? Comparing what was chosen to remain to salt of the land is silly. 

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:44 | 6476117 Bazza McKenzie
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Another junk article with someone making up their own facts.

Mubarak was an ally of the US preceding Obama.  Obama encouraged his overthrow and the election of one of Obama's Muslim Brotherhood mates Morsi.  And then Morsi tried to convert his election into a coup increasing his power unconstitutionally (rather like Obama) and the Egytian military, with a lot of Egyptian public support, kicked Morsi out.

PCR wants to attribute the last action to the US.  That means either he is claiming Obama got rid of his own man or some unnamed parts of the US government did it despite Obama's wishes and Obama accepted it.  As Obama has busily gone about sacking US military leaders in recent years, how would one get the idea he would tolerate the US military overiding his wishes on Egypt?

However malign or incompetent the US government may be, not everything that happens in the world is designed in Washington, or even Israel.  Other people do make decisions, for good or ill, without asking what the US government wants.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:02 | 6476146 thecondor
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Correct. Mubarak was an ally. Clinton and Obama over threw that government and installed the Muslim Brotherhood which in turn was taken out with military coup because the Bro hoods were fucking up Egypt. 

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 22:57 | 6476136 Prober
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Western democracy brought us the dictatorship of the proletariat, entitlement nanny state, the obomination, importation of the poverty of latin america, more than 60% of government spending on entitlement programs, etc, etc.

The sooner that western democracy is overthrown, the sooner and bigger my celebration party will be.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:05 | 6476153 GRDguy
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Sometimes The Dragon Wins (way too often.) The general public has abolutely no awareness of how financial sociopaths have combined to make them into sheep. They just expect to be shepherded; physically, mentally and spiritually.  So sad; for everyone.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:07 | 6476158 Cabreado
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Perhaps Paul Craig Roberts is in a bad mood,

but this whiny article is unbecoming of an intelligent man.

"Washed up, Finished."

Not even close... turmoil yes, but finished no.

No more whining, PCR.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 10:01 | 6477165 Ace006
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When the majority meekly accepted mass third-world immigration, open borders, a bastard interpretation of the Commerce Clause and Spending Clause, affirmative action, àstronomical deficits, the federal reserve, fools who prattle about the Religion of Peace, multiculturalism, integration, AGW, and a freak who began his career in the living room of two communist terrorists you could stick a fork in it.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:09 | 6476160 q99x2
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There is no American Empire fool. There is a global group of interlinking corporate businesses and organizations that run what is commonly called NATO which includes the US military. They also run the western world's financial system through central banks. You have to have a nation with a national leader to have an American Empire. We don't have that here. What we do have is a population that would gladly fight a revolution against the your so called American Empire as soon as some F'n US military break away and follow the path of least resistance to justice and the restoration of the United States of America.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:42 | 6476184 kchrisc
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Liberty was killed off by Zion in the American country with the buying of the DC US government by Zion in 1913.

It died in Europe in 1914 with the manipulation of the European powers into a war that would enable Zion to take Palestine from the Ottoman Turks.

In both cases the death of Liberty was consummated with the blood and lives of millions of Goy on the battlefields of Europe.

Zion is a scheme, not an ethnicity.

 

We'll leave the discussion of the beginning of WW-II on 28 June 1919, for a later date.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:51 | 6476228 Niall Of The Ni...
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So what exactly is Zion?

I agree that our masters have little Jewish blood and even less interest in learning and keeping Jewish law. Were our kings Jews and the Jews our kings, the world would be far richer, happier and more peaceful than it is.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 01:01 | 6476340 kchrisc
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Zionism is a fifth-column colonial like system of organized plunder and murder that operates on a national and international level via fraudulent-reserve banks, dependent governments, and connected and derivative firms.

The Palestinians can affirm, and evidence, the plunder and murder part.

The reason that seeing Zion is important, is that one cannot truly understand what is happening in the DC US, west, and globally without understanding that there is a group up and above, what we traditionally see, government, pulling the strings for their benefit, and plunder of the underlying societies.

Within the west, and especially the DC US, they operate as a fifth-column colonizer that desires to hide, manipulate, exploit, and plunder from the shadows. However, we, the American people, must reveal them to the light so that we can better identify our enemy. Our enemy is not just the domestic tyranny of the DC US, but also Zion and their schemes.

Unfortunately, Zion has successfully linked Zionism to Judaism, and made any critical discussion of Zion taboo. I reject that taboo, and my insistence upon bringing it up is an attempt to try to render the taboo less powerful. Not that I, and others, must be assumed to be correct about Zion, but there should be honest discussions and opinions about Zion's true place in the world, and the west, not fear based evasion of this important issue.

Regardless, Zionism or not, the answer is not about cattle cars and labor camps, but about taking away tyranny's punchbowl, fraudulent-reserve banking, and their "stick," big, criminal and violent government.

I also think that the time has come for them, Zionist or not, to "return" to their now fully conquered and stolen "homeland," as they do have the right to "return," so "return" is what they should, shall, do.

They can "return, and then be a beacon, an example, of what humanity can become and be. Show the rest of the world what we don't understand. Make us envious of them; Desiring to emulate them. But, just go.

Zion is a scheme, not and ethnicity.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 08:42 | 6476849 Iudaea Delenda Est
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You're wrong, you've wandered into obscurantism, and you did it right under a direct expression of Jewish supremacism.

I've read a great deal about this subject matter too.

I think your heart is very much in the right place, and I think what's happened is two fold:

1} you're hung up on "ethnicity" That the ashkenazi are not direct lineal descendants of ancient Hebrews is beyond doubt. The Khazar theory is partly true, but overstated. Genetics proves matrilineal ancient European descent, but there are certainly Levantine markers as well. Genetics is hard and complicated - and beside th epoint. "Latinos" are deemed a group though of widely different genetic stock {forget the race/ethnicity stuff for a moment} - what matters is that they *think* of themselves as a "people". Note that even WERE they direct descendents of people who lived there 2000 years ago - that doesnt give anyone the "right" to live elsewhere for thousands of years then"return" and kick others out while ALSO retaining th eright to live all over the West as a privileged minority.

And by the way, the diaspora myth is largely false. Jews lived all over the med. before Titus - they followed Greek merchants deep into the Black Sea, probably followed Phoenicians before that.

There were probably more Jews in Alexandria than in Jerusalem at the time of Christ.

Oh - and Jews NEVER lived in the Levant alone, and had what amounts to a a couple of petty states - not some massive empire.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/chosen-people.html

2} you want to try to distinguish your views from anti-semitism per se [good luck with that - boycotting a state that routinely bulldozes the homes of natives while building Jew-only roads and colonies is smeared as "hate for fuck's sake] and you probably legitimately aren't a true anti-semite.

In this I support you, though I simply have given up qualifying every other statement re disproportionate Jewish and Israeli power, and Israeli war crimes. I don't take seriously people who cry anti-semite when discussing same.

To the extent we both don't intend to smear all Jewish people, or make any claim about any particular person just because of their heritage we agree. Two of the best, nicest bosses I ever had and one of my best college friends were Jewish. Some of the philosophers and thinkers and historians I admire most are Jewish - Norman Finkelstein is a fucking case study in the hypocrisy and inherent dishonestly of much of the pro-Israel community.

So you try to separate 'Zionism' which is Jewish nationalism, from Judaism. Granted one is a political movement, one is a religion, but then "Jews" constitute an ethnoreligious grouping. An ethic group, or cluster of related groups, with a shared religion.

But this ias not only wrong - IT IS OBVIOUSLY WRONG.

Zionism springs just not from Jewish pseudo-history about an ancient kingdom that never existed, or the questionable descent from the ancient Jews/Hebrews who certainly did live there, although they clearly originated from somewhere else, perhaps southwest arabia...... but from Jewish RELIGIOUS TEXTS.

Judaism is a fundamentally disfferent and strange religion if you grew up Christian or Buddhist. It's really an ethno-religion. Many holidays celebrate quite temporal events - often the murders of other people, from Egyptian babies to Persians {neither event happened}.

Circiumcision is a covenant FOR LAND - Jewishness is "passed down" {seed of abraham - through jacob} hence it is absolutely racial in character and THAt is why they have long discouraged conversions, not some noble spirit.

Consider the rabbis - not fringe characters, every religion has those and its not fair to judge them by the margins - but Israel's former chief Sephardic rabbi, or a major figure in Orthodox/Hasidic Judaism revered by hundreds of thousdands.

Will you consider taking some advice?

Read up on - from primary sources - Jewish eschatology.

Zionism is ALSO religious, and springs from Judaism's moral and eschatological supremacism and megalomania.

Jews think they are supposed to rule the world because, forget their apologetics, they are superior.

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2010/10/gentiles-exis...

read the comments not everyoone aggrees, but the source is clearly the TORAH as well as Talmud

His funeral was attended by 700,000 Jewish Israelis.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/07/why-is-the-us-honoring-a-racist-r...

"The entire world belongs to G-d, He created it and He choose to give the Land of Israel to the Jewish People."

http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/

THE CAUSES OF HOSTILITY TOWARDS JEWS: A HISTORICAL OVERVIEW
http://holywar.org/jewishtr/02hos.htm
http://holywar.org/jewishtr/open.htm

I think you need to consider that Zionist power stems from Jewish power

{with an assist in the US from useful idiot Scoffield Bibliomancers

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/scofield.htm }

There arent Evangelicals to speak of in the UK or France, and Canada - or Ukraine or Russia and yet Jews are a tiny, ethnocentric minority who have wildly disproportionate power.

Some are zionists, some aren't.

But within Judaism, and this was the case before Christ, is a xenophobia and ethnocentrism and hypocrisy - "the land of israel" for jews alone but jews can live where they please.

The Catholic Church burned the Talmud not without reason in the middle ages - the most that can be said is that in an unwieldy, mostly inane seriesw of books written over centuries, it is perhaps unfair to extract the most anti-gentile quotes.

But note that the Torah itself contains the same basic thrust - violence and hate and fear of the non-Jew, megalomania, and different ethical standards.

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To sum up

Zionism is Judaism and/or Jewish ethno-nationalism with an army, and substantial control of the media, banks, and academia.

Before you write a reply - which I will read, I'll ask you to pause, reread the above, check out the links, and please do your own reading on Jewish eschatology.

Anti-semitism is wrong, but defining anti-semitism the way the ADL does is Jewish Supremacism.

Judaea Delenda Est.

And more than a few governments.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 06:09 | 6476575 Monetas
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Niall Of The Nile ..... thanks for taking on ..... this pathetic socialist bag of shit slogans negro .... Papa has a very old bag !

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 08:14 | 6476776 Iudaea Delenda Est
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"I agree that our masters have little Jewish blood and even less interest in learning and keeping Jewish law. Were our kings Jews and the Jews our kings, the world would be far richer, happier and more peaceful than it is."

I don't know why you use a Gaelic name when you aren't a Gael.

In any event, I can disagree with you, but I do respect your honesty.

Most Jewish Supremacists try to hide the ball. It's kinda refreshing when people just dispense with it.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 08:44 | 6476857 atlasRocked
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Zion is boogie man of the leftists that are realizing Obama was a fraud, as are all leftists.

http://www.teapartytribune.com/2015/08/04/the-government-sold-to-highest...

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 09:11 | 6476965 Iudaea Delenda Est
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"Zion" is Jewish Supremacism, megalomania, ethnocentrism, and historical revisionism - from mythical Jewish Kingdoms

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/chosen-people.html

to "a land without people to a people without a land"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buhpHTGAlTE

** http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/03/02/the-attacks-on-beyond-chutzpah/ **

to blaming the ongoing conflict on "thousands of rockets" that kill very few and generally are fired AFTER IDF aggression

http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/02/06/the-truth-about-cease-fire-violations...

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/blogs/politics/9671-the-reality-about-...

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/israel-violate...

http://visualizingpalestine.org/visuals/gaza-ceasefire-violations

{this all leaves aside the very strong likelihood Israeli agents periodically launch homemade rockets into empty fields precisely to provide a pretext for more killing}
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/07/08/who-started-the-cycle-of-v...

Denying the Israeli past
3 June 2002

Ethnic cleansing attended the birth of Israel but, more than 50 years later, the country is still in denial about its bloody past. Those who speak out risk their jobs.

Behind the turbulent news from Israel, a struggle for historical truth has passed almost unnoticed outside academic circles; yet its wider significance is epic. In May 1948, more than 200 Palestinians were killed by the advancing Jewish militia in the coastal village of Tantura, south of Haifa. According to the recorded testimony of 40 witnesses, both Arab and Jewish, half the civilians were shot in a "rampage". The rest were marched to the beach, where the men were separated from the women and children. They were taken to a wall near the mosque where they were shot in the back of the head.

The "cleansing" of Tantura (a term used at the time) was a well-kept secret. When they were interviewed four years ago, several Palestinian witnesses said they feared for their lives if they spoke out. One survivor, who as a child witnessed the murder of his entire family in Tantura, said to the interviewer: "But believe me, one should not mention these things. I do not want them to take revenge against us. You are going to cause us trouble . . ."

Trouble indeed. The researcher, a student called Teddy Katz, has had his masters degree annulled by Haifa University, even though he was awarded a top grade by the Middle Eastern department. When his research was revealed in the Israeli press, Jewish veterans of the attack on Tantura sued him for libel, and several Jewish witnesses recanted.

Katz had breached the taboo of the ethnic cleansing that gave birth to Israel and which the Palestinians mourn as Nakba - the catastrophe.

Without waiting for the case to come to court, the university struck Katz's name from its honour roll. Whispered to be a traitor, and under pressure from his family and friends, Katz, a devout Zionist who lived on a kibbutz, apologised. Twelve hours later, he retracted his apology.

Professor Ilan Pappe is one of the few to have read all the transcripts of more than 60 hours of Katz's taping of eyewitness evidence. "They include," he wrote, "horrific descriptions of executions, of the killing of fathers in front of children, of rape and torture." He describes Katz's thesis "as a solid and convincing piece of work whose essential validity is in no way marred by its shortcomings". The shortcomings, he says, come down to four minor mistakes. But the importance of the Katz research is its illumination of Israel's history in terms of "the expulsion, direct and indirect, of some 750,000 Palestinians, the systematic destruction of more than 400 villages and scores of urban neighbourhoods, as well as the perpetration of some 40 massacres of unarmed Palestinians."

Although other prominent scholars supported Katz, a silence and hostility familiar to those who break academic and political ranks in Israel descended on the case. Since the election of Ariel Sharon last year, this hostility is such that not even national heroes are forgiven. Last month, Yaffa Yarkoni, "Israel's Vera Lynn", whose emotional, wistful songs have celebrated Zionist triumphalism from 1948 to the present day, lost her huge popularity overnight when she remarked that Israeli soldiers ought not to be writing numbers on the arms of Palestinians. "Isn't that what the Germans did?" she asked. One newspaper headline called her an "enemy of the people"; an editor said she "has joined the new anti-Semites in Europe".

In challenging the Zionist version of Israel's past, Ilan Pappe is one of Israel's "new historians", a distinguished and courageous critic. He has likened the Israeli state to apartheid South Africa, with its Palestinian "bantustans" and plethora of humiliating controls which now restrict the movement of people within their own communities. He says that Sharon's goal is to begin the mass expulsion of Palestinians across the Jordan; only a pretext is required. According to one poll, 44 per cent of Israelis support this latest "cleansing", known as "transfer", another euphemism from the past. In 1948, David Ben-Gurion, Israel's founding prime minister, wrote, "We have accomplished our settlement by transfer of the [Palestinian] population."

Not quite. The notion of a "final transfer" is supported by a number of cabinet members in the ruling Likud government, by leading Labour Party members and professors and media commentators. "Very few now dare to condemn it," says Pappe. "A circle has been closed. When Israel took over almost 80 per cent of Palestine in 1948, it did so through settlement and ethnic cleansing. The country has a prime minister who enjoys wide public support and who wants to determine by force the future of the remaining 20 per cent."

Now it might be Professor Pappe's turn to be expelled from Haifa University. In an open letter circulated two weeks ago, he writes that the dean of the humanities department has demanded his expulsion for criticising the university over the Katz case. This runs deeper; Pappe has been a consistent opponent of Israel's illegal military occupation of Palestine. He describes the university "court" that threatens to punish him as a "McCarthyite charade". He has called upon "universities worldwide to debate a boycott of Israeli institutions, given their contempt for basic principles of academic freedom and dispassionate research". He says that only international shaming, free of the intimidation that equates criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism, will break the silence about "horrific deeds in 1948, and so prevent their repetition".

Others in Israel, as courageous as Ilan Pappe, are also under pressure, both crude and insidious. In Ha'eretz, Israel's equivalent of the Guardian, two outstanding journalists, Amira Hass and Gideon Levy, have consistently reported the unpopular truth about Israel's occupation of the remaining 22 per cent of the Palestine it conquered in 1967. They live daily with threats and hate mail. Upholding the bravest traditions of Jewish humanity, they need international solidarity.

http://johnpilger.com/articles/denying-the-israeli-past

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:42 | 6476213 Niall Of The Ni...
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Every time history repeats itself, the price goes up. If all we had to fear was the fall of Rome, all would be well. Life went on afterwards.

The American empire will end one of two ways. Either our masters will invent robots able to do anything better than humans and willing to exterminate their human predecessors. Or they will turn their nuclear arsenal on the proles rather than willingly give up dominion over all the kingdoms of the world. When they die, they have seen to it so will we. Either way humanity's fate is sealed.

There is hope. Just not for us.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:52 | 6476231 kchrisc
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Your "two ways" assume passivity by the American people, and smack of defeatism and submission.

I for one am not going to remain passive, and will do all I can to dismantle tyranny and restore the American country. I will not submit, but will demand Liberty.

I know who is against me, but who's with me?

Zion is a scheme, not an ethnicity.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 06:15 | 6476582 Monetas
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Jews aren´t passive .... and they don´t have the luxury .... of pontificating psuedo pap !

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:48 | 6476219 jack stephan
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Home sweet home.

 

https://youtu.be/ldM

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:51 | 6476227 honestann
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"law" == fiction.
"authority" == fiction.
"government" == fiction.

What is not fiction is human predators who pretend to be those fictions, and will suck you dry and destroy you just for fun and the joy of torturing other creatures.

All the distinctions about different forms of "government" is exactly like discussing the styles of clothes worn by angels dancing on heads of pins.  It's all 100% delusional and literally insane.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 23:58 | 6476245 kchrisc
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Don't then fight for "law," "authority," or "government," but fight for Liberty, human dignity, and humanity against their murderer, tyranny.

Zion is a scheme, not an ethnicity.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 00:38 | 6476316 22winmag
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The nameless, faceless white Christian men dying in Donbass fighting the grossly illegal and illegitimate Kiev government are often quoted as saying they fight for "human dignity" and "to oppose U.S tyranny" and little else.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 08:15 | 6476782 Iudaea Delenda Est
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They are fighting ukrainian ultra nationalists {'nazis"} who are largely useful idiots for Jews.

Not "Zionists" - but Jews.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 06:18 | 6476585 Monetas
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For you .... Zionism is a tangent .... you´ve taken to loose the surly bonds .... of reality !

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 04:13 | 6476478 monad
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You are sensible but you come from Fear. Strength stands its ground.

"law" is a construct to establish the social contract. When torn, mend it. When broken, let the honest and best repair it, or its over.
"authority" is the enforcement of the social contract. When torn, mend it. When broken, let the honest and best repair it, or its over.
"government" is your oversight and coordination of these your powers, that date back to the most primitive and smallest tribes. When torn, mend it. When broken let the honest and best repair it, or its over.

If you don't you're short all 160,000 years of humanity.

Hedge that.

We can and will do better. We must.

Trump 2016

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 04:37 | 6476516 honestann
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Every more fictional is "social contract".  If anyone tries to claim I am bound by their "law" or "authority" or "social contract", I will either kill them, or vanish from their reach.

It is sad that folks who want to be good actually advocate enslaving me... and everyone else.  That's what you do by claiming there even is such an atrocity as the "social contract"... a "contract" that I never saw, nor ever signed.  That's pure, naken evil, no matter how often or long scumbag predators have claimed such nonsense.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 05:49 | 6476561 falak pema
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You were not born in a vacuum, your education and your insertion into society involved a cost beyond your own personal means; it was a cost that we all pay as members of a collective called nation-state which has an elected government and a tax system and a civil society that employs people under social contracts. So we are doubly constrained by social contracts : with the nation as with our employers in personal employment. All under Law; a social contract in itself; enforced (more or less) by the state and its employees.

If you didn't have a social contract with a lawful nation run by an elected government you would be in ...Jurassic PArk. Thats the story of human evolution.

Apparently you prefer Jurassic PArk. Its your choice but its not the world you live in today. Today, there is still a semblance of law and order and services provided to you (wherever you live) by this faceless other we call  nation state. With whom you do have a social contract even if you don't like it. There are few places on Earth not run by a nation state under its law (social contract).

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 12:04 | 6477711 goldsaver
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Your claims amount to a kidnapper demanding the victim pays for his keep and bounds with loyalty. Slave owners provided basic shelter and food for their slaves. Did the slaves have then a "social contract" to obey their masters for this?

Compulsory education, roads, and other "public" constructs are all "government" provided bounds that were not necessarily needed, required or desired by me. Yet somehow, I am supposed to obey the "authority" of one percent of the population who make decisions "in my name" and demand a percentage of my production and my obedience. I don't think so. I have no problem with paying for goods and services that I desire. I have no desire to "pay" for goods and services, however desirable, that I did not seek nor desire enough to pay for directly.

You seem to believe that my fellow human being, without the order and authority of government, would revert to some sort of caveman. Yet who is government if not those very same human beings? If humans are barbarous cavemen, why would I obey their pseudo authority? If humans are benign and good enough to become philosopher kings. why would I need their authority or their protection?

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 14:34 | 6478338 honestann
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Your ideas are RAW, NAKED EVIL.

The sad thing is, you don't realize that.

Nothing I do harms any other humans.

I have no desire to harm other humans.

To claim that somehow other humans must enslave me [to get what they want or "for my own good"] is so perverse that... only massive brain damage can explain any such attitude.  I am genuinely sorry your brain is so destroyed.  It could have been a valuable tool for you and those you care about.  Now it is a weapon against you and all honorable humans on the planet.

PS:  And yes, I do much prefer living far away from human beings, far away from uncivilization.  That's why nearly 4 years ago I moved to the southern hemisphere, set up a 100% self-sufficient life 125km from the nearest human being in the extreme boonies.  I so love it here.  Nature is wonderful.  Humans had enormous potential, but in fact and practice, massively suck... largely because their brains have been jammed full of craven fictional nonsense like what you preach.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 00:06 | 6476261 MrBoompi
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Western democracy died a long time ago, if it ever existed at all.  I think it just existed in people's minds similar to the promise of Camelot.  And a republic is a state in which the people are supposed to have the supreme power, so tell me if we've ever been republic.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 08:01 | 6476750 Winston of Oceania
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It was until Lincoln waged the war of northern aggression... That was also a banksters war.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 00:50 | 6476335 22winmag
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Thu, 08/27/2015 - 01:24 | 6476363 onmail
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'The Royal Nonesuch'

Of Huck Finn

The King prancing showing his A$$

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 02:23 | 6476420 BlackVoid
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Please..... It is already dead and has been for a long time.

The question is: did it ever exist?

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 02:25 | 6476424 DaveA
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It won't be a gradual extinction; it will be very sudden, like the collapse of communist prison states in 1989. Once a particular social model, in this case the democratic welfare state, is exposed as fundamentally insolvent and illegitimate, it's over.

Then Napoleon comes along, wading his horse through drifting piles of worthless Jew-money, and says to the soldiers, "Put me in charge and you'll be paid in gold."

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 02:28 | 6476431 monad
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If I listened to everything they said to me, I wouldn't be *here*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXL4R_keTY

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 02:51 | 6476444 donhuangenaro
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'democracy' and 'freedom' never existed... it's a rich elite's fairytale for the naive and stupid sheep :-P

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 03:37 | 6476479 atlasRocked
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Democracy was always  a terrible form of government, Polybius first identified this decay into violence and vote buying behavior.  The 1% don't run it, the 1% are scrambling to be paid by the corrupt politicians.  The people PAYING the bills don't serve the 1% getting the money, the 1% GETTING the money is doing what the POLITICIANS tells them to do.  

Only in leftist politics is it proclaimed the socialist leaders HANDING out the money are at the whim of the 1% GETTING the money.   the money flow is the OPPOSITE of that expected to occur of the 1% is CALLING the shots, right? 

"By which means when, in their senseless mania for reputation, they have made the populace ready and greedy to receive bribes, the virtue of democracy is destroyed, and it is transformed into a government of violence and the strong hand." - Polybius

That' why the founders made sure the senate was appointed.  Amendment 17 from the progressives made us a democracy.  Read about this in Atlas Shouts.

 http://www.amazon.com/Atlas-Shouts-Modern-Patriot-Action-ebook/dp/B00OLR...

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 05:23 | 6476550 Memedada
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And were does the ’money’ (fiat) come from? And who controls ‘the politicians’ (managerial class) = who decides (in the end) who receives the ‘money’?

All rhetorical questions. The power is concentrated solely in the hands of the ownership-class (not the petty bourgeoisie/mom-n’-dad-business’, but the real owners – the 0,01 %). The political strata/the state is a puppet/a tool of that class.

It has nothing to do with socialism – it’s fascism.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 08:41 | 6476843 atlasRocked
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Explained in the book, M.

 

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 08:42 | 6476848 atlasRocked
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A quick and direct exposure of the fraud you're pushing, which is in conflict with money flows:

http://www.teapartytribune.com/2015/08/04/the-government-sold-to-highest...

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 10:28 | 6477300 Mayer Amschel R...
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LIES!

 

As discussed in Carrol Quigley's Tragedy & Hope, the bankers wrestled control back from the every increasingly ballsy & demanding politicians in the mid-1800's.  US political control by banking was complete when in 1908's presidential election when both Taft & William Jennings Bryan where owned by J P Morgan.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 03:48 | 6476489 directaction
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In Europe try questioning the Holocaust myth.  You'll be fined, jailed, lose home, job, family, career and be rsduced to poverty.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 05:40 | 6476556 AlfredNeumann
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ZioNazi Jews control the USA/NATO and Israel and THEY are the hand behind the NWO.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 06:21 | 6476559 Monetas
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Try questioning ..... Islam is a "religion of peace" .... or Islam is a "religion" at all .... and the PC Euros (the people, not the money) .... will shut you down !

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 06:54 | 6476615 AlfredNeumann
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Islam is a religion of peace as much as Christianity is.   Fact is, Christianity and its adherents permeate the USA military and have no problem in killing MILLIONS of innocent people around the globe.

BTW ,Europeans consist of many ethniticies..  Dutch aren't like Germans, or French, or Spanish, or Danes, or Swedes.  Each country has its own culture althought the ZioNazis would like to change that.  ZioNazis are more than happy to create chaos among Muslims and even use false flags and pin it on Muslims  e.g.  911.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 07:36 | 6476681 Grimaldus
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You were doing sort of ok and then got really wrong.

Progressives state worshippers are the big governmental murderers.

Compare the political system of Islam to Christianity? For real? Go back to school and do your homework son.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Jesus-Muhammad.htm

 

 

 

 

Grimaldus

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 08:33 | 6476831 AlfredNeumann
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My ''school' has been living in 5 countries during my 70 years  on this planet and  working in 5 of them PLUS having visited 73 countries.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 12:55 | 6477964 Iudaea Delenda Est
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awaiting moshiach?

http://beta.moshiach.com/index.php/item/ahavat-yisrael-and-moshiach

Jewish Racism towards Non-Jews as expressed in the Talmud

"The modern Jew is the product of the Talmud..."

- "Babylonian Talmud", published by the Boston Talmud Society, p. XII

The Jews refer to the remainder of Earths inhabitants, the non-Jewish peoples, as "Gentiles", "Goyim".

Let's see what the Jewish Talmud teaches the Jews concerning the non-Jewish majority, i.e. those who are not part of Jahve's "Chosen People":

"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."

- Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b

"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-Jew."

- Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30

"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served by animals in human form."

- Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855

"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal."

- Coschen hamischpat 405

"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs."

- Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b

"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human."

- Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b

"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog."

- Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b

"If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as if one of his oxen or asses had died"."

- Jore dea 377, 1

"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals."

- Talmud Sanhedrin 74b

"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile."

- Sepher ikkarim III c 25

"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah."

- Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5

"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands."

- Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b

"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God."

- Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772

maybe you have some homework to do, too.

And no, these aren't fabrications or mistranslations.

And no, it's not just the Talmud - hatred of non-Jews is all over the torah

"love your neighbor" originally meant "fellow Jew"

Christ said EVEREYONE is your "neighbor" - and the fore runners of today's rabbinical Judaism hated him for it.

But it was chasing out the moneylenders who exchanged gold and silver Roman coin for bullshit priestly fiat that got him killed.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 06:54 | 6476616 AlfredNeumann
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Islam is a religion of peace as much as Christianity is.   Fact is, Christianity and its adherents permeate the USA military and have no problem in killing MILLIONS of innocent people around the globe.

BTW ,Europeans consist of many ethniticies..  Dutch aren't like Germans, or French, or Spanish, or Danes, or Swedes.  Each country has its own culture althought the ZioNazis would like to change that.  ZioNazis are more than happy to create chaos among Muslims and even use false flags and pin it on Muslims  e.g.  911.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 05:24 | 6476529 falak pema
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Thank You PCR for repeating what I have written here on ZH....

Pax Americana has gone off the cliff more and more since Aldous Huxley day; that was the prologue to what has followed...And the MIC who did it in Dallas was Caesar's crossing of the Rubicon.

All subsequent administrations bowed to this Imperial fait accompli. And yes, since the BW revoke and petrodollar regime all Europe has got sucked into this whirlpool, all for OIL insouciance based on global $ reserve; and now become active agents of spreading wars of neo-colonialism to preserve phony regimes in economically conquered territories. All to ensure that fossil and nuclear RM stay within their grasps at ALL costs.

Now we are in Septimius Severus times, alike the Caesar from Leptis Magna of ancient Rome.

Watch what follows by reading history as there may be a continuing parallel.

Caracalla gave all imported ex-slaves and serfs to Rome's empire (as well as to the locals) "full citizenship". It was a socially liberal act but its further destroyed the economy under debt and monetary debasement and more bread and circuses in the Coliseum.

An Empire is a destructive machine and false citizenship to win over the desititute when the state is bankrupt only pushes the pain to future generations; as the Empire always needs more and more wars --which it loses more often as there is more and more dissension, as social aspirations even of the soldiery cannot be met-- and has to further tax its citizenry and rob its neighbours as a consequence to protect its own power structures gone corrupt beyond redemption--ultimately using Barbarians to conduct its wars...

Thats all it knows in name of "our exceptionalism" --until it convulses.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 05:00 | 6476537 Surrealist
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Oh yeah its coming, indeed its already here.

 

Channeling a One World Government through a New World Order

http://newworldorderwatchblog.blogspot.com.au/2015/04/research-paper-cha...

 

World's Largest School Declares We Need a NewWorld Order and One World Government

http://newworldorderwatchblog.blogspot.com.au/2015/05/worlds-largest-sch...

 

World Government Our Only Hope says Professor of University of Western Australia

http://newworldorderwatchblog.blogspot.com.au/search/label/World%20Gover...

 

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 05:00 | 6476538 EurGold
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1oz Silver Australian Kookaburra Coin just €17.21 @ EurGold

 

 

https://www.eurgold.eu/silver/kookaburra-1oz-silver-1-dollar-legal-tende...

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 05:12 | 6476544 Tall Tom
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Stop spamming.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 05:38 | 6476553 Monetas
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If one per cent own everything .... that´s a very broad sharing .... of the means of production and wealth .... (if it were even remotely true) .... in Norko and Kuber .... 100% vote for Castro or Kim ..... 100% of everything is owned by the people ..... BUT .... all the decisions .... are made by the Communist .000001 % .... even on paper that sucks ..... 1% is way more egalitarian .... than .000001 % .... a million times more egalitarian .... even by the left´s fantasy numbers .... socialism sucks ?

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 05:54 | 6476564 Monetas
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Euros .... the people (not the money) .... sounds better than .... Europeans .... which sounds like EuroPEEings .... so, I propose we call them .... Euros ?

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 06:46 | 6476603 cookies anyone
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http://www.notbored.org/dialogue-in-hell.html

 

Its quite a read... hope someone will give it a chance

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 06:55 | 6476612 brushhog
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Alot of complaints here. So whats your SOLUTIONS?? "Everything sucks socialism, fascism, oligarchs bla bla bla". Tired of hearing about it. Until somebody has a solution I'm just going to make the best of my life.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 07:33 | 6476678 AlfredNeumann
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You will no doubt do well, thinking for yourself.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 07:37 | 6476688 bunnyswanson
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Impartial world court with powerful influence would be a good start. 

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 14:54 | 6478472 withglee
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Impartial world court with powerful influence would be a good start.

Heck, why stop there. How about a solar system court.

Your "good start" is precisely in the "wrong" direction. We should split up and self rule (the optimum number of rules being zero), not combine and submit to elite rule.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 07:29 | 6476672 iAmerican
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Rome never fell. Read Carroll Quigley. With their Zio-Talmud cult impaler Khazar Christ killers they are now Gog and Babylon attacking Israel, usurping and "running" America.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 09:04 | 6476936 Iudaea Delenda Est
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khazar christ killers?

What are things a hasbara troll poisoning the well would say?

for fuck's sake.

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 08:12 | 6476770 New_Meat
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"Where do you suppose the socialist president of France got his idea of an illegal and unconstitutional “kill list”? If you answer from “America’s First Black President,” you are correct."

Nyet tovarich, the Frogs learned it all by themselves.  PCR, you actually contradict yourself when you talk about violence of Vichy and the Algerian fights.  Let's see, yep, those were finished before the One was born.  You know, the Napoleon thing: "Guilty until proven innocent."

- Ned

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 09:48 | 6476771 Iudaea Delenda Est
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For all you pedants - we are NOT a Republic. At least not totally.

The President is not elected by the people, but by electors who are appointed - by one of two parties.

Ask Ron Paul how "democratic" that is.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/electoral-college.htm

Thu, 08/27/2015 - 09:02 | 6476929 Iudaea Delenda Est
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I too enjoy much of PCR's work, but this offering is sub par.

Here's a fantastic one on roughly the same theme:

http://johnpilger.com/articles/why-the-rise-of-fascism-is-again-the-issue

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!