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Refugees Expose Europe's Lack Of Decency
Submitted by Raul Ilargi Meijer via The Automatic Earth blog,
I want to say something about the issue of the refugees -never ever again migrants- that are swamping Europe. So much has been said about them, and so much has happened since I made my first notes, but not a soul has put their finger on the sore spot, and the real story. At least not that I’ve seen.
That real story is the painfully woefully inadequate -and I’m being painfully polite here- failure of Brussels and Berlin and Paris in responding to what’s been unfolding. And don’t get me started about London; there’s nothing coming from Britain these days that’s even worth talking about. When you dare talk about a ‘swarm of migrants’, you’re no longer part of the conversation.
And it’s not as if what Europe has perpetrated upon the Greek economy, and the Greek people who depend on it, isn’t enough. It is more than enough. Only, nobody seems to be willing to understand this, to let it sink in to its fullest. But that’s still kind of alright; financial policies are not the EUs biggest failure.
Even if even Varoufakis insists on being part of the EU -albeit a reformed one-. You can’t reform the EU. It’s allergic to any reform that would take even just a few of its powers away. That is embedded in its model. Varoufakis doesn’t sufficiently get this: you can’t any longer just change a few puppets in Brussels. Its alleged democracy is no longer anything but thin and peeling veneer.
It’s like the old Groucho joke, that he wouldn’t want to be part on any club that would have him as a member. It’s exactly that, actually. If you want to survive in Europe, let alone with dignity and values, it cannot be done inside the EU. And the refugee crisis tells us why, even more than the Greek crisis has.
What Brussels lacks most of all is morals, decency and compassion. It is a bureaucracy that has no human values. And this is expressed, in a painful and deadly way, not only in the streets of Athens, though it’s plenty glaringly clear there too, but even more in how the so-called Union “deals with” (that is, it doesn’t) the Mediterranean refugee issue.
We can take a philosophical approach to this, which can be interesting, though it doesn’t change a thing. We can for instance theorize about how a country, a society, a culture, that is hundreds or thousands of years old, and has gone through numerous natural and man-made disasters in its history, like so many in Europe, will have a response formulated for the next batch of mayhem, and on how to deal with those who are the victims of said mayhem.
That is what we see in how Italy and Greece have been trying to deal with the flood of refugees sailing off from Lybia and Turkey towards their shores. Both countries – or at least substantial segments of them – have gone out of their way to save refugees. Then late last year the EU -ostensibly- took over. But the EU has done next to nothing. It has paid lip service only. Which has cost thousands of human lives this year alone. And still nothing happens.
Now, now, some of them are waking up. The EU agency that is supposed to deal with it, Frontex, has announced it’s going to step up efforts to halt refugees from entering Europe. Just like it did when it took over from Italy and Greece, and the main idea was to send in the military to blow up the boats of the ugly and evil people smugglers.
Hungary is building a wall. Macedonia fired tear gas and stun grenades. The Czechs have said they’re going to send in the army. Police dogs and batons have become a common sight wherever the refugees are. Who are forced to walk a thousand miles or more, children and women and everyone. It’s a picture of disgrace. And the disgrace belongs to all of us.
EC head Juncker, after breaking a months long silence on the topic, declared this week that there’s no need for an Immigration Summit. All EU countries need to do is comply with existing regulations. Which, if I may remind you, were ‘agreed’ upon in a time when there was no such thing as the present influx of people.
What Europe should do, or rather should have done, because I guarantee you it’s too late now, is send as many people as needed to make sure people would stop drowning. To make sure the media would stop using the term ‘migrants’. To show Europe cares, and it alleged leaders first of all. To make sure there would be space and provisions for all who undertook the perilous journey, women, children, men, every single one.
Europe instead has only tried to ignore the issue, hoping it would go away by itself. This has cost at least 17,000 lives so far. And they know it. Here is a picture of a 100-meter list of 17,306 migrants who have died attempting to reach Europe, a list which was recently unveiled at the EU Parliament:
They know, and they’ve known for a long time. But still the UN said this week that Greece should do more. Greece? And Juncker says a summit is not needed. Juncker is supposed to be one of the main leaders of Europe. If we didn’t already know before, we now know for sure he’s no leader. Merkel? Haven’t seen her until this week when she said the situation is unworthy of Europe. But if anything, it’s unworthy of Merkel. She’s supposed to be a leader in Europe, and she’s very obviously not.
There’s a huge amount of people in Brussels and various European capitals who are posing as ‘leaders’, and all of them have fallen way short. All of them, Merkel, first, need to shut up and act now. Not tell other nations, or her own co-Germans, that they should be ashamed. Merkel should be ashamed of herself first. And we know that there are elections coming up, but we’re talking about human lives here, for sweet Jesus’s sake. What’s wrong with you, Angela, and all those like you? What part of you guys is even human anymore? Is only your ego left?
The EU, unlike Greece and Italy, has no history, no society, and above all no culture. The way it reacts to the refugee issue tells its entire empty story. All of it. Brussels doesn’t do anything at all in the face of thousands of people drowning. It waits for Greece to deal with the problem, which is obviously far too great for the Greeks to solve by themselves. And besides, the EU a year ago insisted on taking over rescue operations from Rome and Athens. This has brought about a strange and eery and deadly kind of Mexican stand-off.
The EU has already failed, dramatically and irreparably, in this regard. The only help refugees get is from Italy, Greece and private parties. It’s so bad that if Greece would take “full care” of the refugees entering the country -and that’s assuming it could-, there’d be even much less hope of Brussels ever lifting a finger.
In this fashion, the EU doesn’t just leave the refugees to their fate, it uses them as bait, as hostages, in its fight over financial and political power with Alexis Tsipras and the Syriza government. And though of course multiple voices try to lay the blame on Tsipras, that’s not where it belongs. Even if he could, he couldn’t. The only solution is for Greece to get out of the EU(ro) and restore dignity and humanity within its own borders.
For make no mistake, if you elect to remain part of the EU, and you let Juncker and Merkel speak in your name, then the blood of all those needlessly lost lives is also on your hands. That goes for every European citizen as much as it goes for the hapless heartless leaders they have elected.
For one thing, I can’t for the life of me understand why there are not thousands of young Dutch and German and British and French people, organized and all, in Athens, and on the Greek islands. While there are plenty of them there to get a bloody suntan on their “well-deserved vacation” while people are perishing within eyesight, and complain about their holidays being spoiled. Not all of them, I know, but c’mon, get a life! There are people dying every single day, and just because your so-called leaders let them drown doesn’t mean you should too.
Do you even know what “a life” is anymore, either yours or that of someone else? Have you ever known? A life means caring about other people. A life is not trying to make sure your own ass can sit as pretty as it can.
As for finding a solution to the refugee issue, Europe has done nothing to find one. The EU still wants the problem to just go away, and it wants the refugees to just go away. But it won’t and they won’t.
Yes, we have a mass migration on our hands. And these are invariably hard to deal with. But our first priority should always be to approach the people involved with decency and compassion. And that is not happening. We are approaching them with the opposite of decency. With stun grenades and police dogs. And with misleading terminology such as ‘migrants’.
The EU doesn’t seem to have any idea what’s causing the wave of refugees entering ‘its’ territory. When the refugees themselves state “we’re here because you destroyed our countries”, Brussels will simply say that is not true. That kind of admission is way beyond the consciousness of the ‘leadership’. But it’s a denial that won’t get them anywhere.
Meanwhile, this issue, like so many others, is being used as a reason to plea for more EU:
Summer Crisis Tests Europe’s New Nationalisms
Dimitris Avramopoulos, the EU home affairs commissioner, argued last week [that] the very reach of the migration crisis shows the limits of national solutions. That, he said, puts pressure on governments to agree in Brussels to collective measures – even, he stressed, when they are not popular.
It’s an empty hollow plea. Why agree to give up more sovereignty if Brussels only uses its growing powers to do nothing? Europeans who give in to this kind of thing give up much more than sovereignty; they give up their decency and human values too.
The refugee issue can and will not be solved by the EU, or inside the EU apparatus, at least not in the way it should. Nor will the debt issue for which Greece was merely an ‘early contestant’. The EU structure does not allow for it. Nor does it allow for meaningful change to that structure. It would be good if people start to realize that, before the unholy Union brings more disgrace and misery and death upon its own citizens and on others.
However this is resolved and wherever the refugees end up living, we, all of us, have the obligation to treat them with decency and human kindness in the meantime. We are not.
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For those of you who don't want to read it all;
Raul is mad the EU isn't doing more -- and shame on the Hungarians for building a wall & shame on the Czechs for sending in the army.
Open borders & free shit for everyone.
AEB is now just a fragment of what it was a few years ago. Raul has lost his way completely.
Invade, rape, pillage, destroy society in black, brown and yellow countries.
Take their daughters, enslave their sons, rape their land...
Put the worst dregs of local society in power...
Wait 50-100-300 years....keep raping, pillaging, de-stroying...
Take in hundreds/thousands of the colony....make that trickle a flood...
Now everything is fucked up...
Your early slaves HATE the new slaves....
Poor early slaves, so comfortable in their brown-slave backed fiat ponzi illusory wealth....in a warbly voice "the dirty mooslim is raping me, killing me, using MY free shit"..
Reality!
Trickleback mountain....
change is UPON US....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjmWeypvoQg
The main factor in the most successful post-colonial countries is the number of years of English rule.
Without the English, India would be a bigger shithole than it is right now.
Without the English, I wouldn't have Indian customer "service" representitives inflicted upon me.
Without the English, America would not be flooded with H1-B barely competent Indian "programmers" replacing American techies.
So, just FUCK YOU.
Oh yeah?
Without the poison of the English, India would have continued, as it was in the 15-16 and even up to the late 1700s, THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
you're complaining about yer jerbs?
And you are welcome to your orwellian, pharmacized, politically correct, soul-destroying CIVILIZATION LIFELESS system....
Your PURSE-PECK-tive is short, short-sighted and LAME....
PS: Still the largest, most distributed gold holding nation in the world....so take that, roll it and shove it where it hurts or wakes you up, either way worls for me...
Europe needs to wake up to the fact that it is being raped by The US. Wothout all the illegal wars (Iraq, Lybia, Afghnistan and now "ISIS" and Syria (So that Russia can again be targeted by Qatari gas flows through Syria to the Eastern Med)) the refugee problem would not exist. And without sanctions on Russia, because of the CIA coup in Kyiv, the European economy would be in much stronger shape.
If every member of the Israeli owned Congress kicked their doors in, raped their kids, shit all over their coffee table and cut Granny's face off with a steak knife the Europeans would probably blame Putin.
Those dumb fucks wouldn't know the truth if it was written in 30 foot high bold letters on KK's butt-cheeks.
The EU should send cruiseships and private Jets to transport everyone who wants into the EU (read Germany) and let them have a life in style. That is the least the EU can do for the poor people around the world. That is too expensive you think? Money can be printed, and if that isn't enough (unlikely), surely nobody would object to higher taxes if it is for such a good cause, right?
Why does ZH post scialist crap like this? It isn't what it used to be...
The bottom line is that the EU is both broke, as well as tired of the influx of MUSLIM INVADERS.
All other talk is just liberal whining and background noise.
lol, you forgot the 'regime changes' happening at this moment by your beloved war criminal goverments...
I agree the EU deserves to die and probably we the (on average anyway) idiotic people of the EU deserve to suffer. But frankly the only positive aspect I see about this invasion is that it will bring down socialism. It is getting clearer by the day that a state cannot guarantee housing, food, medical treatment and schools for everyone, if you are invaded by hundreds of housands of people that never have and for the most part never will contribute to these costs. Soon the new school year is starting and every refugee child from 6 years on has the right to go to school. And there is no lack of NGOs telling them and demanding these rights very vocally. Medical treatment, same thing. I live in Europe, if you want treatment on a weekend you have to wait for hours in crowded hospitals and the audience (and quality of treatment) is no different from a refugee camp. What am I paying my insurance for anyway? What did my parent and their parents rebuild their countries for after WW2? They might as well just have invaded another country that is better off, if you go by this socialist scum that is now telling us what is moral and what isn't.
But once the state runs out of money people will rise up and it will be very ugly, but what comes then will have to be different and better. Just like after the 30years war, the world was again peaceful, because people learned that an independent nation state is the only way to ensure peace and prosperity. I just hope it won't take us 30 years to learn that again.
Zion demands open borders for everyone. Israel gets a freee pass becuse it is poor, defenceless and has suffered so much already.
What a load of crap bleeding heart article by a lefty who's wants to help with OPM!
We know that practically all of Africa is a shithole. Add all the middle eastern countries etc., the US has destabilized. In many of these countries, breeding is the main occupation. Would it not be human and fair to send airplanes to pick up all the people in these locales and fly them to Europe and to the US, so they can also enjoy the nice socialist dream in their lives? After a few decades Europe and the US would gladly accept Sharia in the name of tolerance?
Germany alone is flooded with over 800,000 MENA people, most who don't fit in and don't want to fit in. The euroa participated with Bush and Barry in creating chaos, death and destruction in MENA countries so it's no surprise they are swamped with there people now.
Blowback, mf'ers!
I would have to quote the famous historian and say, "Europe is phucked!" You can kiss the white white Christian European race "adios mf!"
These are the people who run away from the problems in their own countries instead of sticking around and trying to fix things and make it a better place to live. These are the people some want to welcome to their shores. The weak and fearful. The easy to control. The runners who are afraid to fight for themselves or their countries well being. The criminal minded who ignore the laws already in place. The ones who refuse to melt into the culture.
I guess when you leave your door unlocked you should expect another family to move in when you go out to work.
The problem is Islam.
Make Islamic worship punishable by death.
There, I said it.
It's your culture, or theirs.
You get to choose. For now.
Bravo.
And the hour is late.
But Westerners will do what they do best -- devise half measures smothered in a rich gravy of maudlin, sanctimonious flapdoodle that, when all is said and done, amounts to a surrender to the minority, the foreigner, the primitive, the ignorant, the helpless, and the savage.
Europe and the U.S. need to recognize that colonialism needs to be reestablished. Mbeki, the president of S. Africa appointed a "health minister, who promoted the use of unproven herbal remedies such as ubhejane, garlic, beetroot, and lemon juice to treat AIDS." And this is the country that was the finest country in Africa, now rapidly regressing away.
Is it any wonder people flee such stupidity? Not that they don't bring their own brand with them. The author this piece is right to call out what the West is doing elsewhere but to call this article a vastly skewed view of what is and what must be done is an understatement, and that's an understatement right there.
The picture of that list of names on the floor is pathetic, maudlin crap that identifies no workable solution. Letting everyone is or aiding in place are the two options, only the second of which doesn't involve national suicide on the part of the Europeans. But, yes, compile a list of names. That will help!
"It will bring down socialism"
Socialism died a quiet death in Europe in the early nineties, when there was no need for it anymore (the Soviet Union imploded, so there was less risk of people being aware of any alternative, good or bad).
What we have in europe is the same as in the USA; a small group of powerful men playing everyone against everyone else, confusing issues. (hegelian dialectic 101)
"It will bring down socialism"
Socialism died a quiet death in Europe in the early nineties, when there was no need for it anymore (the Soviet Union imploded, so there was less risk of people being aware of any alternative, good or bad).
What we have in europe is the same as in the USA; a small group of powerful men playing everyone against everyone else, confusing issues. (hegelian dialectic 101)
30? Maybe 100. We demonstrate every bleeping day that we are impervious to facts right in front of our eyes.
It's depressing.
The invasion is part of the Kalergi plan outlined in his 1922 book «Praktischer Idealismus . The plan is to reduce the European nations into a mixed race brown muck in order to achieve the total homogenization and creation of the "United States of Europe".
A very accurate summary here:
http://golden-dawn-international-newsroom.blogspot.gr/2013/01/the-couden...
I wish they would act like they're tired of the Muslim invaders. This guy hasn't gotten the memo that turning your own country into a third-world slum helps no one. Civilization needs to survive and expand, not slip backward to where people slaughter cattle on German streets.
"Without the poison of the English, India would have continued, as it was in the 15-16 and even up to the late 1700s, THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD."
Forgive my ignorance, but I happen to know India is a caste society and would like to know how the average Indian lived when they were "THE RICH COUNTRY IN THE WORLD."
Did the wealth trickle down as it does in the US? (no sarcasm because I imagine it did not trickle down then and it sure as shit does not trickle down now in the US).
Lord Macaulay, 1835, British Parliament...
"I have traveled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such calibre, that I do not think we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self-esteem, their native self-culture and they will become what we want them, a truly dominated nation."
Obviously Lord Macaulay never became acquainted with the Thugees. Sure, India was a paradise before the Englishman showed up . Whatever (eyeroll).
British aristocracy would have went to the slums in India during his visit? The rich live in a different world than you and I.
Was the caste society a British invention, or was it present before the British arrived? If it was present before the British arrived, there is no way there weren't tons of poor people. A society that is designed to keep the majority of it poor, could not have a country without beggars and thieves.
I would imagine the country would be a lot more to what TPTB want for the entire world. TPTB want to live a life of luxury while the rest of us live in squalor and filth to provide their chosen lifestyle. That's why the middle class in Western countries is being destroyed. Yes, eastern countries have a rise in their middle class, but it is nowhere near the living standard the Western middle class enjoyed or enjoys (if they're lucky).
Macaulay never said that.
People invent and misattribute quotes all the time. They've been doing it since antiquity (the Roman declaimers were notorious for it). Few, however, were so stupid as to pretend that anyone British in the early 19th century would have said "self-esteem" (a concept that first appears in psychological literature in 1892, nearly sixty years after Macaulay's supposed speech) and "self-culture." Perhaps Macaulay should also have said something about leveraging some synergy to action that deliverable.
Have you ever been to India? It's a total fuking, overpopulated shithole. And it would probably have been much, much worse without the English. Almost any kind of public works project over therre is fucked up because they work on the parts without any clue how the whole should fit together. There are also a lot of social problem, due to the Hindu-Muslim conflict and the caste system. Yes, there are individual Indians who are very bright people, but they only tend to realize their potential after they leave India. There are also lots of other Indians who, while not stupid, max out their potential in low level tech jobs.
Are you talking to me? See my name? Yes, I've been to India, pretty much every day since 1966 actually....
Without the brits, india would not even have a loo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_peUxE_BKcU
That's pretty fukin lame.
I remember when my grandmother had a hand pump in her kitchen before she got electricity.
She had an outhouse loo too circa 1960's.
Ratcheer in the USSA.
I think the Religion of Peace aka Death Cult had something to do with weakening India. A pile of 100,000 skulls every year for about 50 years.
Uh, before the English showed up, India wasn't even a country - more like a patchwork of petty states. It took the English to unify it and create the nation of India. You're welcome!
Could people eat all those rubies, diamonds, gold coins, and ivory carvings? India was a collection of vast subsistence agriculture states with a thin layer of aristocrats. I could have some of that a bit wrong but basically India was poor and stagnating with a lot of cow shit everywhere.
Lots of things to criticize about the English or Europeans. Have at it.
Now could we have a discussion without childish "you awful, we noble" stuff?
What you call "India" (to be more precise the territory of today states of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh) were already quite rich and prosperous BEFORE they were made part of British Empire.
And you can be sure that after getting hold of "India" the Brits bled them dry - if the British were so benevolent and good hearted occupiers there would be no reason for "India" and other parts of The Empire to break free - this includes (what were then) American colonies of British Empire...
I think "India" was ruled longer by English than USA (or the original colonies) - so with your reasoning it should be a much better, richer county than USA (or East cost of it)!?
For American jobs being either siphoned of to India or being taken over by H1-B visa holders you can only blame your own American companies and US politicians (and things will get a lot worse after TIPP...) - blaming every thing on the English is a Scottish thing anyway....
Good post. The one thing people in India don't seem to understand though was that the "British Empire" system shafted everyone equally - except the 1%
Some people seem to think that Europeans were some how living high on the hog. Most British people were living in filth and squalor - a case in point my great grandmother was forced to work in a factory from the age on 9, both of my grandparents were dead before I was born on account of having industrial related diseases. Ghandi laughed when he saw the conditions British people lived under, he said, "British Empire a nice idea.".
Nearly all of the iron ore and coal wealth in the South Wales coalfield was drained off to pay for projects in far away places.... like India. Indians seem to have no idea how much resentment and hatred British working class people have for their rulers and the 1%. As for clowns in India asking for compensation for the British Empire - forget it. How about Wales and North of England get what amounts to billions of dollars of natural resources back with compound interest over 100 years?
fuck the british empire which btw was run by jews.....
'This blog summarizes the numerous episodes of genocide committed by Britain in its perfidious and ongoing ambition to maintain its imperialist grip on the indigenous world. For too long the world has been duped by the treacherous and viperous anglosphere which eagerly points their blood-stained finger at demonized foreign (i.e. non-white) individuals and groups to conceal their own massive, unsurpassed and unpunished crimes against humanity.'
http://worldsworstmassmurderer.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/britain-worlds-wo...
Gavrikon... India was a civilization thousands of years before the england was a shithole for barbarians...
Yeah...they came up with the 'zero' for God's sake....after that, not so much.
Dude, logged in just to upvote your spot-on rejoinder.
@Gavrikon,
Here's your successful post-colonial country.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/28/10/71/2810714b14b6ace3cac61464ab7560be.jpg
Embrace your inner genocidal warlord.
You too will be collateral damage.
Oh, I always value your commentary (and mistical inside) and fully appreciate the extend of pilage and detruction brought by western upon upon 95% of non westerners.
At the same time you never address three fundamental points:
1. The European gave indipendence to almost all non european places after some time, generally peacefully and with a new more prosper society in loco, considering that many where living in huts of wood and scit. No in 2015, somewhere closer to singularity.
2. Peacefuly considering the general extent of murder and genocide in the last 5000y
3. A sizeable part of Europe never colonized anybody.
The debate is long, the time is short. Have a nice day.
"Take their daughters, enslave their sons, rape their land..."
Pro tip: Take their land ... rape their daughters...
Gaddafi, (like Saddam and Assad) was not Thomas Aquinas, but he ran a prosperous, relatively stable secular state.
The problem was that he was not the US’s puppet and we wanted to steal his gold.
Like we did in Iraq and what we are doing in Syria and Ukraine, we turned a stable country into a chaotic hellhole.
Now the EU is paying the price for US and NATO policy and aggression with millions of mostly Muslim refugees fleeing the chaos all across the Mid-East.
Have fun with that, EU.
I am going to strap on my conspiracy helmet for a couple minutes -
I think the reason why there is a concerted effort to destroy the most prosperous & successful cultures in the world (US, UK, Germany, France, etc., etc.,) with wave after wave of third worlders is to get these nations to turn on themselves, and destroy themselves -- as these countries -- if free & independent of whomever is actually running the world (aka the "elites") -- are the only ones who could not only stop it (the destruction of themselves and the creation of a "western-world socialist state"), and literally execute those who are planning & running it.
This is nothing but the "elite" killing off their competetion by destroying cultures that took thousands of years to build.
Bingo. This is a real ethnic cleansing, it started 50 years ago, but this is the endgame. No european majority nations will remain, not even in the arctic or the southern ocean.
It’s happening in the US as well.
Last guesstimate I heard was nearly 50 million foreign born illegals here now.
We are also being invaded and diluted.
Face it.. no borders, no common culture, no common language.. no country.
..a stepping stone to a new world order and global governance by elites.
in Europe we have several countries without a common language (and so culture, too), btw. just saying. Switzerland is generally speaking not seen as a "failed experiment" of "800 wasted years of nation-building", for example
Ghordo -
There are predominately 2 cultures in Western-Europe, with thousands of difference between the two.
Those that are accustomed to having production equal consumption (South) and those that are accustomed to having production exceed consumption (North).
The differences between two Northern cultures, or two Southern cultures are smaller than the differences between the macro-Northern and macro-Southern culture.
It has *everything* to do with climate.
as you know, I reject this view as too simplistic. but I'll go for the space of the comment on this ride
the production equals consumption Southern is the very view that I use, politically, for my request for balanced budgets
the production exceeds consumption Northern is the very view that Dr. Krugman uses when he asks for his policies
untie this knot, if you can ;-) though you already did, didn't you? the key word is: "accustomed"
If you reject this view -- explain the economic differences right now between North & South.
by the reminder that reality is always more complex then any model, however smart?
Southerners save more then Northerners. by your very model (which is excellent, despite my rejection) they are less prone to invest, speculate, gamble, "go for the max". see debt quality patterns
item to ponder upon: how is it possible for them to sustain official unemployment statistics that would absolutely kill off northern economies?
btw, you do know that the North/South paradigma is inverted, in Germany, don't you? that the average Catholic Southern German is way better off then the average Reformed Northern German?
in the German example, I usually point out that agriculture is different, too, as well as enterprise size. in the South of Germany, everything is smaller, cozier, more personal
Europe still runs on the economy of the Small and Medium Enterprises (SMEs). It has to. But very few understand what it really means. The financial centers least of all
You will say anything to backup your point -- irrespective of bankrupt it is intellectually.
1) Bavaria & what is today BaWu were dirt poor farm-land before WWII. In 1945 as the Soviets started overrunning Schlesian, Sachsen & Thüringen (the 3 industrial bases in Germany) all the industry pack up and FLED the Soviets heading as far out of their path as they could go (South and West). Before that point, my point carried water perfectly in Germany as well.
2) Of course it isn't universal, but the current economic situation in the South v North is a symptom of two different cultures being shoved under one roof. While this theory is incompitable with the EU and EUR as it is -- it will prove to be more and more accurate as time goes on. You don't like my theory for the simple reason -- one logically comes to the conclusion the EU is a mismatch of countries and should be reconfigured. You don'T like this as it doesn'T go along with your EUR dream.
3) Look at Italy & Spain if you want to see examples of my theory working perfectly within these two countries.
Climate plays a role, and to assert otherwise is nuts. Give Germany 40-50 years, the former East will come back.
so you are making yourself the point that exceptions, at least, are related to history? and how about history having to explain... everything?
I note that again you pit me as defender of the EU. look again, in this article it's RAM (the author) and Varoufakis that carry water to the mills of a more centralized Europe
I like the mismatch. I don't mind the downsides of how decisions have to be taken in a confederation of peers, each sovereign and armed. it's RAM and V that hate that
(what is the "EUR dream"? China, India and Japan are escalating the currency war, to the point that Uncle Sam is being pushed in it's monetary policies. thanks, but no, thanks)
@Haus. still reading "Game of Thrones", btw. at book 3, now. question: what is the difference between the ECB and The Wall?
as a reminder, The Wall started as a common institution of 7 Kingdoms. that Westeros got united by the Targaryens has actually little to do with The Wall as institution, and so it has a political life of it's own
common issues -> common institution to tackle them
you don't need political unity for certain things, just political will. the scarcest resource of the planet, btw
Just confirming this post as a south European. When it is nice and warm outside, let alone scorching hot which I really don't wanna work. I wanna go outside, swim in a pool, lake, sip on my drink, watch beatuiful girls in skimpy clothes, play some basketball or football. Sweating in a an office or let's say road construction at 40+ are really not fun. If no AC, no good night sleep either. Public transit on those days is ridicuolus as well as to get to work I have to go inside a tin can in scorchhing sun. AC really can't help much. And than I also work in Canada during the winter. When it's -30 outside all I wanna do is get under heavy comforter. But when I get to work I actually dread the moment I have to go back, the day passes too quickly so that does not matter and I stay in until way after hours. Just look outside when I have different idea and see people freezin and I don't wanna go out. Now over generations these small differences develop into part of the culture hence it also becomes somewhat cultural.
Most people in Switzerland come from European countries, saying that they don't have a culture in common because of language differences is just an assertion on your behalf - it does not follow logically. Moreover these people have ties of history, religion and ethnicity that go back 100 if not 1000s of years.
Anyone looking at your posting history can see that you are government troll.
I see that my example of Switzerland did cause lots of anguish. lol
"Most people in Switzerland come from European countries" -> most people in Switzerland's cantons (semi-sovereign states) don't come from anywhere, they are what people call indigenous
what is about Switzerland that seems to be so profoundly offending for the "Culture Warriors from overseas"?
the fact that they do have several languages and even more cultures? just recently a cousin showed me an app that locates the speaker of their dialects to nearly every time the exact tiny commune
now that's culture, european style. local culture, deeply rooted. old. most of Europe is this way. we literally use the word "culture"... way differently
learn something about Europe's history before commenting, will you? in doubt, regard us a bit like the Indian Tribes, this mental model will help you better then anything else
From a physical and technological standpoint, both Europe and the US are more than capable of repelling this invasion. However, they won't because we lack the Will. We've disarmed ourselves psychologically with Political Correctness and fear of being labeled "racist". Thanks to 50 years of brainwashing and emuasculation, we now all think like women, rather than warriors. That's not going to work out very well. We should enjoy our lifestyle while we have it--we will not keep it for much longer.
Maybe our grandchildren will finally push back when their backs are against the wall, but I doubt it.
Haus, how about a more cynical and hardnosed approach at a "simple explanation"?
Exploiting other countries for their resources' sake used to be a relatively costly affair, in the age of Oldfashioned Imperialism and Colonialism
Roads to be built, forts to be manned, courts of law, administration, etc. etc. That's effort. That costs
Enter the New Age of "Anti-Colonialism" by a new large power that used to be a colony, too. And witness how the costs of this kind of policies are on Other People's Shoulders
with the Old System, Iraq would be still a protectorate, the way Puerto Rico still (somewhat) is. and nobody would have had Syria or Lybia bombed without occupying them, too
megacorps have proven that they can exploit without having to clean up after their mess
as often, it's a simple case of the Tragedy of the Commons
Good point, Colonialism same as Slavery never went away it has been perfected to the point where the Colonial powers need not to put up any capital or labour or risk a bad name, everything is done through back channels, and the profits have never been higher.
There is a material difference between cultural darwinism (of which I am a believer) and a small group of people (e.g., not a culture) that contorl the press, money, the political systems, etc., etc., intentionally destroying a culture for their own benefit.
Please don'T confuse the two again.
Greece, for example is experiencing cultural darwinism right now. Germany is experiencing an invasion.
OT: how do you personally judge who is "winning", in the "Game of Cultural Darwinism Thrones", Haus?
by quantity of culture? by quality? by imperial power? by... weight?
different tack: there is a culture (or meta-culture) that says: "we don't care about you, only how much money you have. Unicorns always welcome"
how much are you part of this culture? or, inversely, how much do you fight this culture?
A culture is a large group of people that, on par, share the same customs, traditions, language, values, religion, etc., etc.,
how large? take my "caste". we have never been many, and while we shared customs, traditions, values, etc. we seldom shared religions, and are accustomed in speaking several languages
nevertheless, we undeniably shaped nearly everything. what I mean is that you are using the pattern of the "Ideal Nation-State": one of each, and only one
so I'd hazard to say you are talking about Ideal Nationalism, not cultures. including the culture of tolerate your neighbours the way they are, not the way they "ought to be"
No, not nationalism -- although Nationalism plays a very important role in it all -- I am talking about the similarities between peoples.
Lets play a game:
Who is more similar?
Germans & the Dutch, or Germans & the Portuguese?
Finns & the Swedes or Finns & the Maltese?
Spanish & the Italians, or Spanish and the Hungarians?
Germans & the Austrians or Germans & the French?
See Ghordo, I am simply point out that grouping peoples together simply based on geography is violently stupid. It would be more efficient to group people who share very similar cultures together. You keep trying to tell me, I am wrong.
you don't seem to actually read what I am writing, only what you think I mean
some ancient Greeks and Romans agreed with some of your points, and me often too. you are actually describing the Pagan Order, the Tribal Order of old
the Gentile System. each Genos or Gens (read: usually matriliniar tribe or bloodline) with it's own (burial and religious) customs, and a semi-sovereign polity for itself, with (reserve) ancestral lands
it's in direct contrast with the Nation-State ideology taken to extremes, btw. which argues that national territory is indivisible, and has to be homogenous
so one question: has the Nation-State to be involved in deeming which genos/culture is "right", on it's territory? that's the litmus test of 19thC nationalism
Ghordo -
The reason I often times don't address what you said is because you never addressed what I addressed.
I am not the only one who calls you out on here for this trickery. We bring up something, and you start talking about something else completely.
If you would care to respond to my original point;
Re -- the EU should reconfigure itself based upon cultural similarities and not geography -- I'd love to discuss it with you -- apart from that I won't play this little game you enjoy playing.
do you get threads displayed differently then me? I just did address this more recent point. with the "Gentile System vs. The Nation-State"
further, I usually point out that Germany is itself a Federation of States (with each BundesLand having several cultures in it), where you usually go more on a Pan-Germanic National View
why should the EU "reconfigure itself..."? for cultural reasons? that's a prerogative of the member sovereigns (where Raul get's it wrong)
I often talk here about the "Europe of the Regions", where you completely ignore that, with again a Pan-Germanic or Pan-German National View
I often explain that one possible outcome of the EU might be that Scotland, Catalonia, the Veneto, Flanders, etc. will become sovereign.... because the broader policies can be tackled by the confederative approach. That might entail a whole number of German States becoming independent, too. How do you stand regarding this?
again, why do you talk about the EU as if it was a superstate, despite evidence to the contrary you should actually witness yourself? what I see is that you seem to wish for a superstate, be it Germany or a Germanic Federation, or a Northern Europe Federation, and your impatience with the current confederational peer method reminds me that of RAM and V, for "lack of muscle"
I repeat: the homogenous Nation State with "one of each", be it language, culture, ethnic groups and so on has been tried. England and Sweden with different results then France, and then becoming much more complicated then that. But when it comes to the rest, including Spain, Italy and yes, even Germany, that model breaks down very hard
I talk about Hessen, Bavaria, Brandenburg, Sachsen. Don't you gloss a bit about the differences? Living yourself in a globalized city like Frankfurt a.M. and reading/writing mostly in Finance English?
(meanwhile, what about my caste? Do we have a space in your Ideal Germania?)
I would *love* a Northern European Union. It would be the economic powerhouse of the world. That is an idea I could get behind -- why?
Because it makes economic sense.
The EU and the EUR are likely the best ideas of the 20th century that were completely destroyed in the name of "inclusiveness."
I have no pan-Germanic national view, as countries like Poland & Czech Republic would be well on the way to join. Both are Slavic.
I get the feeling you are one of those "Northern Europeans" (I am pretty sure you're German -- but whatever) who feels honestly guilty how wealthy such a small group of countries has become per capita, and would be completely fine with "spreading the wealth" around a little to help aleviate some of your guilt.
You have still yet to explain to me why me thinking political & economic integration of countries based exclusivly off of geography is nothing but egregiously & violently stupid, is wrong.
I don't get you. but it's ok. and no, your feeling of me being something like a "Limousine Socialist" is totally misplaced
I, together with most europeans, don't see economic integration as a similar or related issue as political integration. RAM and V do, and you often talk their points as well as those of the Federalists in general. Your federalism is only for a "Northern Alliance", though, with a completely alien (read: not european) understanding of our South
similarly, the bunching of Northern European countries into something like a superstate or anyway "powerhouse" looks egregiously geographic, to me, and only thinly clad with economics
how about integration without need "nothing but egregiously & violently stupid"?
I argue for sovereignty were you argue for federated power. I argue for respect for local polities and local cultures where you fight for a "Northern Economic Culture" juggernaut
how can I be German, period? You seriously don't understand how recent the very concept of "German" is. or how strange that is that Austria is not "German", a complete fluke of history
take this guy, as example: Prince_Eugene_of_Savoy. Now tell me: was he French? Austrian? German? Italian? He fought with Marlborough, easily identified as English, in the Battle of Blenheim
If you can attribute "Germanness" to Eugene, then yes, I am German, too. note where they fought and that Bavaria was on the other side
Eugene's caste is my caste. We are older then "your petty nations and even pettier nationalism", as one of us told Adolf Hitler
Gaddafi said that Muslims would take over Europe without a shot by Muslim immigration and their birth rates. Maybe he knew what he was talking about
Qaddafi's real crime for which he was executed was organizing the Africans to get the balls to stand up to the outsiders, especially the US and Europe. His policy was Africa for Africans. While he was alive there was no US and NATO AFRICOM presence in Africa but after his death they moved in. At one time Africa was paying Europe $500 million per year to use one of their communication satillites. Africa bought their own for $400 million with Qaddafi kicking in $300 million. Qaddafi invested heavily in Africa especially in communications. His Libyan Development Fund was an alternative to the draconian World Bank and the IMF, two organizations that have ruined countless countries. Even while under crippling US sanctions he spent billions to bring his people water with the Great Manmade River. Europe paid Qaddafi to keep a lid on the refugee trade and he did. It also helped the Libyans were properous enough through oil checks that they refused to work the grunt jobs so many thousands of would be refugees stayed in Libya to work where they were well treated until the US and it's stooge NATO "liberated" the country. Those jobs and the immigrants that worked them are all gone. Currently Libya is one of the worst places in the world to be black even if your a legal citizen.
The US propaganda machine claimed Qaddafi stole trillions from his people but cannot locate it or tell us how he stole it. They claim it was flown out to South Africa during the war. Considering NATO ruled the skies those planes would have been shot down before they got airborne. Yet after the war not a single gold bar was missing and the banks were chock full of money with nothing missing. Yet $32 billion invested on Wall Street was stolen and claimed to be "trading losses" with Wall Street not the Libyans making the supposed trades. There were billions in legitimate Libyan government bank accounts around the world that has not been returned to the Libyans. With Qaddafi gone most of Libya's investments in Africa were stolen by the countries they were in.
With the "liberation" of Libya Al Qaeda in Africa has gone from a nothing to expanding across the continent. Same with their presence in the Sinai. Boko Harem also went into growth mode. All supplied with huge quantities of weapons from "liberated" Libya. Now ISIS is there and growing. Nice job by the Nobel Bomb Them and Their Countries to Pieces award winner.
Three things:
1. Responsibility to protect.
2. "We came, we saw, he died!" -- Mrs. Rodham.
3. Plastics.
I thought the message was 'Stop destroying their countries and then they won't flee to yours.'
The Europeans couldn't fight Bruce Jenners severed penis.
What would they do if the Yanky bum-boys were bombing their homes?
Probably cower under their beds hoping one of the three C's would come and save them...Cameron, Cowell or Clarkson.
It is shameful that Zero Hedge would post such tripe by Raul (a blatant racist). Open immigration in the twenty-first century is a destroyer of societies and cultures. Strict limits need to be enforced. Politicians who cater to pro-immigration organizations need to be removed from office. For them to supress the will of those who entrusted them to act in their interest, is dispicable and probably unlawful. Enough already...
"Hungary is building a wall. Macedonia fired tear gas and stun grenades. The Czechs have said they’re going to send in the army. Police dogs and batons have become a common sight wherever the refugees are. Who are forced to walk a thousand miles or more, children and women and everyone. It’s a picture of disgrace. And the disgrace belongs to all of us."
So we, the common people, are supposed to take on the cost, care and feeding of an invading horde that our elite created?
NO FUCKING WAY.
I'm in Southern Commiefornia, we have our own horde of illegals that I'd prefer met machine guns and drone strikes.
How bad is it? I'm remodeling my house. I can hire contactors for about $100 an hour. Or I can hire three mexicans at $10 an hour.
You(Were)'re fucked.
You're even more fucked because I love Mexicans. They still have a 1950's family culture, great music and food, and work their asses off regardless of the task. We've lost those attributes and we're only going to regain them after a long period of destitution.
Yep, we're fucked. You youngun's have no idea of what work really is.
Before you down vote or comment, tell me about your first paying job at age 10 [might have been 11, full drunken disclosure]. I've told my story, tell me yours. Tell me how superior you are to me or the mexicans. What do you have to offer after everything turns to shit?
I worked for decades with Thoroughbred racehorses in the U.S., and without Mexicans, the industry would cease to exist.
I agree that they are, with fairly rare exceptions, extremely hard working, and have their priorities in order. Many of them work their asses off here for years, live extremely spartan lifestyles (often occupying free housing at racetracks, etc.), save and send the vast bulk of their typically meager incomes back home, and then return to Mexico and buy a house or small farm, start a small business, etc.
I call shenanigans, back before the 80's the bulk of the workers were middle income children hoping tp save and make a new life in Mexico. But from the 80's it been Middle income children sending money so parents can maintain middle income status. That having failed, now its send a little to mom and dad and start a new life in the US.
Be sure to check back in and report after you've actually worked with and alongside many of them.
About 10 years ago I managed a business with 90% Mexican work force. Not only did they work harder, complained less, never called in sick, etc... They also did it for less money. Almost all of them went home every winter for 3-4 months. When I would ask them, they told me they don't want to raise their kids here, just work. The few that were here to stay worked long hours, owned homes, paid taxes and stayed out of trouble (with the exception of a little skirt chasing).
Build a wall, let in those that want to work without their dependents, and at the first sign of trouble deport them with no chance of re entry.
Refugees my ass this is a muslim invading army.
Destroying Libya and Iraq and Afghanistan and the rest was certain to cause millions of refugees - and that is all part of the hideous creatures plan. They are causing this horrible crisis, this incredible suffering in order to cause the refugees to invade and destroy Europe and the White people of the World. They want the White man gone from the Earth so that they can really ruin it compleltely. "We Jews, the desatroyers, will remain the destroyers forever..........nothing the Gentiles do will meet our needs, our demands. We need a World of our own." Maurice Samuel. He wrote a book called The Gentiles.
If you have never read Douglas Reed The Controversy of Zion. I hope you will do so soon. He said in that great book - written just after WW2 - that if ever the Magna Carta and habeus corpus are destroyed we must know that we have lost. There is no longer any part of it working in Amerika and it is no longer sacrosancrt in Britain either.
Perhaps Raul should start doing Op-Eds for HuffPo?
Perhaps. Europe has over 700 million people and it is a financial zombie waiting to be shot in the head. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a refugee when that causes Europeans to reevaluate their views on life. It'll be bad enough to be a Mexican in the US when shit goes south. A Muslim in Europe after a financial crisis of a magnitude that is mind blowing? Kristallnacht seems rather tame compared to the potential there.
A wise man on ZH once said that [when it comes to civil unrest] Europe would be in flames before the U.S. even farted.
I see the wisdom in these words more and more every day.
Europe flames up every 70 years or so -- just in differnt parts, with different actors, etc., etc.,
great comments, Haus-Targaryen (and many others on this thread)...those who traffic in ambiguity have great difficulty with a clear and unequivocal calculus. don't take any offense, Ghordius...i just happen to side with Haus on this particular subject.
but janus sees something else in back of all this.
if i'm tracking the signals correctly, i'd say the purging of europe's muslims is inevitable and will ultimately serve as 'the' galvanizing mission to alloy the continent's constituents to a single cause...sorta finishing the work the moors 'inadvertently' began (or was it Charlemagne?). not to be cynical or anything, but if there's any purpose shared passionately among the many, all the way from the laplands to gibralter and from dover to warsaw down to athens, it's immigration.
look, economic collapses are invariably followed by a seemingly spontaneous reactionary reflex -- and it kicks HARD right...it's a dynamic endemic to our very species. think of it as a force of nature that's presently accumulating pressure, not unlike a coiled spring which is everyday further compressed by the inertia of all this radical activism. understanding that the advance of radicalism has never, in the history of man, pressed so deeply into the traditional structures which have forever informed both individuals and societies (broadly speaking) as-to their place in this world and the nature of their relationships one to another (and extending from there to their shared culture), it should be appreciated by the astute observer that this compressed spring will quite literally explode back against cultural erosion with a terrific force; that is to say, the institutions of church, family and community have been temporarily sufficed with this 'materialist dialectic' gospel, premised on the notion of 'universalism'; and when the pursuit of material as an end in itself is shown to be a corruption of the human condition (in that the god of mammon will be stripped from his adherents), and when it is clear that 'universalism' is an alien concept to the human mind (in that humans require contrast and definition to understand anything -- especially themselves), the peoples of europe will recast their societies with the purpose of rediscovering identity, and this identity will be larded with heavy doses of traditional eroica and spiced with just enough of the 'new' to keep it compelling...but, do believe me, it will be premised on a purity of ethnicity, only slightly extended in its identification of 'us' & 'them'. and the Lion will lay down with the Lamb -- or so they say.
but i may be wrong.
time will tell,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbMWdIjArg0
janus
janus, it's easy to see a pattern of wars every 70 years in Europe. but there are.... qualitative differences in those wars
we had wars in the Middle Ages where farmers could till one field while two armies would fight in the next one
we had other wars in Modern Ages that were nothing else then elabourate marching and counter-marching exercises, with carefully staged battles the exception to the rule
there was a huge row between the Netherlands and England once about the right of non-involved nations of going on with trade with any combatant nation. "total war" is not an historical "must"
Ghordius,
before i begin, may i say that you embody the virtues of decorum found most prominently in europeans...we've always been able to debate without the heat of contentiousness searing from our position's friction. and i will further say that your willingness to hold-fast in arguments, adhere to reason (at least, as much as is possible for 'forward' thinkers) and respond in meaningful ways is why i retain such high hopes for the continent. the difference i see in the european dialectic is that there is in the commerce of ideas a common appreciation for common sense; in amorica, it's just vitriolic banalities propelled with plastic invective. by that i mean to say: i do firmly believe that much of the wrongheadedness in europe can be amended and ultimately rechanneled back into the common good of common sense. believe me, i accept that 'true' liberalism is the salient quality of a vibrant western society, and without you peace-nicks there'd be too many brown-shirts; only, you've got to get it through your head that this liberalism is only possible within the context of a western culture with all its millenniums of tradition and institutions...absent those things, 'liberalism' cannot exist in the vacuum of 'universalism', these hordes will quite literally suffocate it and feast on its remains.
okay, i'm glad you introduced the concept of "qualitative difference"; it is my insistence upon understanding the world in qualitative terms that's made me persona non gratia here state-side. i steadfastly refuse to abandon the notion that life's variety is not composed of good/bad/better/worse/best/worst; and in this country, scaling according to quality will land you in prison...or worse.
anyway, back to your point...i'd say you're making my argument for me; only, it is additionally a quantitative issue. you see, we could retreat further back in time, back to tribes and long before anyone in england considered themselves 'english', back before the netherlands were just holland, before north holland accepted the scourge from southern holland as peers...etc, etc. i also find it interesting that you'd select england and holland to make your point; insofar as there's hardly a firmer partner on the continent than the netherlands for the brits, almost as if the friction of their former tension welded together their cause...correct me if i'm wrong, but is it not in amsterdam where the orange were knotted?
nevertheless, the point remains the same: the quality and nature of the brit/dutch skirmish perhaps served to later forge a common cause against a threat on the continent of both qualitative and quantitative difference...and as alliances break down and are reformed there is one consistent theme: the reformations are always larger aggregations arrayed against enemies which are of proportionate threat sufficent to justify a new quality and character of 'defense' but always with the result being an expansion of the commonality. islam on the continent represents yet another iteration in the advance of this qualitative and quantitative threat, necessitating the expansion of alliance.
simply stated, "total war" is indeed an absolute must, both historically and escatalogically...it is the catalyst for all of human progress; and whether it smashes societies into splinters or grafts them into alliances, "total war" as a dynamic is a result of the pursuit of peace -- a quality defined as a common cause understood in quantatitive terms.
ipso facto, the accommodation advocated by the progressives viz. immigration invests the threat of radical islam with its quality and character, emboldens it to belligerence with 'humanist' justification, and once its quantity is of such a size as to be commonly appreciated as a threat, well...all that's needed is a bit of economic privation and, well, you 'progressives' will reap what you've sown.
and, yes, i am blaming these self-same policies for the horrors to come. the expectation that human being cease in conducting themselves as such is the distillation of the old adage, 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions'.
crazy as this may seem to 'progressives', the concept of 'invasion' is still a bad thing for most people...no matter how the invasion was effected. think of it like this: let's say you think mice are God's most splendid creation; and since you have no problem sharing your home with mice, you assume others should be of a similar mind (after all, it isn't possible that others could have ideas and tastes different from our own)...and to advance your position, you went about infesting every home in your village against their will with mice with the expectation that, once your neighbors were exposed to these tiny vessels of bliss, they would come round to your more progressive way of seeing the world -- replete with mice scurrying everywhere, like God & Ghordious intended. now, if the mice are ejected as unwanted, is it the fault of the mice, your 'backwards' neighbors or you benevolent mice-advocates?
for the record: qualitatively speaking, i prefer the west and think it's best that it retain its westerness and in abundant quantity. does that make me bad?...qualitatively speaking, that is.
btw, i absolutely must sleep for now (the sandman is pullin me down fast)...but i will respond later if i see one from you.
hope all is well...and keep the continent in good condition until i arrive to inspect it.
thanks,
janus
janus, my question here is why I would be a "progressive", as much as why:
"simply stated, "total war" is indeed an absolute must, both historically and escatalogically...it is the catalyst for all of human progress; and whether it smashes societies into splinters or grafts them into alliances, "total war" as a dynamic is a result of the pursuit of peace -- a quality defined as a common cause understood in quantatitive terms"
politically, in the usually seven-fronted ideological conflicts we have in Europe, I come up in the moderate middle. Centrism and Moderation are my ideologies, if any
total war is imho the product of radicalism. Radix, latin for "the root", is what I cherish, and I generally abhor any violent movement trying to eradicate what is perceived as "the root cause of evil"
sleep well
But when we do flame up, it's good for picnics (not) and it will be over by Christmas (not) and we use tactics appropriate for the military technology that we are using (not.)
If it came to that, it would take the Europeans more than a few months to ratchet up to the level of violence that the migrants are all too used to.
I said 'Sharted", not 'farted', dumbass....
When it happens, the US will shit itself, it's so interdependent.
The Fed will, publically, on live TV, take a liquid shit right out of Yellen's ass, as she tries to explain how all central banks are sound.
We'll smell that turd thoughout the world.
Espeially when some body lays down the fuel and is in the position to 'pull it' at the right time.
Shame on EU? Try blaming the places these 'migrants' are coming from instead. You wouldnt want this crap moving in next to you either.
They wouldn't have to if you'd stop sending your kids to blow up their houses.
They also don't have to now - the refugees are safe in Turkey which is not a war zone. Greece, Macedonia, Serbia also not....
But every one of the "refugees" interviewed on camera tels basically the same story - they want to reach Germany, GB or Scandinavian countries, as one put it Greece is not good enough. They are clearly fishing for free social services. The same social services that most EU countries can only finance by taking on more and more ruinous debt (and are hiding this fact from their own tax payers for years now).
The problem is that in Europe, many inmigrants, even if they are ilegall, can stay in the country, they won't be deported, and they are eligble for free healthcare, free education for their children and all sort of subsidies. That is because "europeans are very kind".
Yes, sure, so you bomb Lybia and support the "rebels" in Syria, and what do you think the people over there will do? Of course they will move to Europe, because they have a future, even if they don't want to work. It actually applies to european citizens as well, who are paid generous subsidies for doing nothing. It doesn't happen only in Greece, it happens pretty much everywhere in Europe. Europe has become the socialist paradise.
The only problem is that socialism works until governent runs out of money. Well, Europe has passed that point, but so far, the system hasn't collapsed because they keep borrowing and printing money. But of day all that will stop, and there will be very serious social unrest in Europe from people who are used to receive money for nothing.
pretty good description of the US, especially the latter part.
Food. Check
Bullets. Check
Cash. Check
Silver/Gold. Check
Water. Working on
Power. Working on.
Fuel wood. Three cords ordered.
My working on's should be settled within this week.
The Austrian secret agency named the cause of the refugee tide very clear: its the US politics who is behind this!! Organizations helping the refugees to come to Europe are paid by the US!! The wars in middle east shall destabilize the countries.
Why? To make Europe week because the US economics are dead and otherwise Europe would become stronger than the US. That's all the politics the US is following. Create chaos at the border of their sphere of influence to keep the center quiet!
It's so fucking obvious and no one seems to realize.
Just imagine the EU would create chaos in Latin America the same way the US did in the Middle East. It US could be happy if only 50 million Christian came as refugees. I wonder how the welcome culture in the US would look like, if this year came 2 million Muslims (most of them young men) to the US.
There's a lot of us that realize what's going on.
We see it, we talk about it.
Read the post-midnight shit. Commiefornia checking in 1:33 am PST.
Actually, TI, we whites in the USA are getting as rapidly displaced as those in every other white country on Earth. Ask yourself which group has both the drive and ability to force this racial genocide GLOBALLY? Hint: they comprise about 2% of the US's population and have had their group members chair the fed since the 70's.
Ilargi is sickening and truly vile!
Europe is the home of the Europeans you fool, our people.
Ilargi is NGO scum. What bothers me is the angle ZH seems to be working lately. First Trump is on the rise and we get two hit pieces on Trump. Now it looks like the far right is on the rise in Europe and we get this vomit in which according to Ilargi, if somebody jumps the fence and end up on your property, you have some sort of obligation to tolerate them. Hey Ilargi, if you like illegal immigrants so much, how about you take some in hour house?
After all, you didn't burn down their house just to have them sleep in yours.
Socialism works just fine in a homogenous society of productive white people.
Once the black/brown parasites come, who contribute nothing but crime, the whole thing falls apart.
Feel free to provide non-white examples of successful socialist societies like the pre-migration Scandinavian countries.
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Libya.
Nirobi, South Africa
Whiteness is not a redeeming virtue, there's plenty of black societies that are doing just fine. What hampers them is the white imperialism we still have in our democratically racist governmetn. I don't have day to day dealing with some asshole in Africa, so I can't make any sort of impact...But our racist government does. To our government, Africa is to remain a third world country until the entire world sucks up every resource available...then shitholes like Sharpton will start proclaiming how evil it is that we sucked up all those resources.
The fifth level of collapse is when Africa tells the eintire world go to fuck themselves. They will no longer allow any extraction anywhere on the continent.
Really? And when is President Umbongo going to refuse cash? 10 wives and as many young bodies as he wants means paying for protection.
No dice.
Socialism works just fine in really small groups of like minded people. So small that a lot of of the group is related to everybody else and you need to have people marrying outside of the group to prevent inbreeding.
Maybe socialism works at the family level? Lets see;
Mum: Son, you cut the grass while I make tea.
Son: No thanks, watching TV.
Mum. Then you can't have any tea.
Son: Really? I'll just go to the fridge and get some, what you gonna do about it?
Mum: Errrr
It's the Jews behind immigration, they even admit it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA7Ymki71fM
What are they not behind?
They fund the wars.
They start the wars.
They profit from the wars.
The wars cause refugees.
Blackfox says its the Jews who are to blame and, employing his/her logic (or lack of), they should aslo be blamed for the destruction of the dinosaurs.
Why is this site always so stunck up by anti-semites?
Because for 2-3% of the population, they sure do cause a vast majority of financial misery and human suffering as they chase the sheckel, or the pursuit of power.
Anti-semites?
90% of modern Jews are not Semitic they are Khazar's(Ashkenazi) my freind. Palestinians are 100% Semitic people did you know that?
So when you see the state of Israel killing Palestinians you are witnessing the most most anti-Semitic act on God's Earth. Now FUCK OFF!!!
More accurately, it is the Israelis. The exodus of Arabs helps create an Arab-rein Middle East and paves the way for Eretz Israel. They can then play the old 'a land with no people for a people with no land' scam.
It's called the plan for greater israel. To cleanse the lands from the tigris to the euphrates of all non-jews. It's what is happening in front of our eyes.
How to "fix" this?
The refugees are here because NATO destabilized Libya, Syria, and Somalia/Ethiopia, despite being one of the richest countries, is a playball of international geo-strategic forces for a long time.
So if we want to fix this, we must fix ourselves first. Get rid of the militairy industrial complex. Get rid of the petro dollar. Be a force of positive economic influence (trade), instead of a destructive one (power derived from making a mess)
Build nuclear fusion plants (they are now possible!) instead of more of the same madness.
Perhaps few ZH readers will raise an eyebrow, reading the words "decency and human kindness".
But the author is right.
But please remember there are two ways to do business if you're doing this kind of level planning: You trade and both sides flourish, or you destroy so only you are left standing (and a whole bunch of refugees and poor ppl. you need to get rid of).
The oligarchy ship, with the technocrats at it's front bow, will transform itself into a straight dictatorship soon enough. What happens to refugees first (done by us) will happen to ourselves at the same hands. (and then we will try to flee europe) If we don't object, what right do we have to protest the same fate?
The elitist actions have woken-up a lot of people ... for that we can be thankful. (not so much for the people who have been hurt in the process)
I think that people need to know what they do not want to be and why to create a vision of what they want to be and why. As much as I dislike being a debt slave, I would hate being a debt slaver more. To create one's feeling of self-worth though hurting others or parasitically living off of others is unthinkable. Yet, those are the people we are told are the best of us, the ones we are supposed to honor and aspire to be like.
Quite disheartening, really.
The author is an idiot.
The majority of the "refugees" are young, able-bodied men who had the financial wherewithal to purchase a ticket with a smuggler to reach Europe. They keep in touch with their families (who they will later import to get on the dole in generous European countries) on their iphones, while casting Christians they find among them overboard, be they women, children, whatever.
As a German taxpayer, I have had it up to here paying for the whole of the dregs of humanity who manage to make it to Germany. At my last tax return reckoning, I figure I payed roughly 75% of my earnings in taxes/social security, etc. And please don't tell me about my "free" medical insurance. I and my family are privately insured (a necessity, now that the vermin of the world are getting it free on my dime, increasing the waiting times for treatments, etc.) at a cost of about 1200 Euros per month.
Amazing that invading someone's country, destroying its infrastructure, creating an environment of constant conflict and danger and then making it uninhabitable with (semi) depleted uranium forces people to leave.
Who would have thought?!?
You are right, but it's been the Isreal Lobby and the insane Neocons that have been behind this crap. Lets also not forget the Niblung leaders of Europe who move in lockstep with Washington. The European "leadership" class is just trash really.
And what are these refugess by and large ... Muslims with no intention of integtrating into the societies that offer them comfort and voting rights. Eurabia!
RAM is such a twat. If you don't have a clue just shut the fuck up !
Asylum is NOT a right it's a privilige that can be granted or not !
Most of the people arriving in Europe are not asylum seekers, they are the Free Shit Army !!!
Just who the fuck is going to pay for all this....you ? Of course not. We are going to pay.
When I arrived in Germany 15 years ago, want to know what I got from the State.....yeah not a fucking penny !!!
Everything I have I had to fucking earn myself.
I am so mad, I am spitting blood. Every day in the news...oh the poor refugees.
The original inhabitants are 2nd class citizens.
Let me guess: the ones voting this down do not live in Europe?
ALL the puppet eu politicos are singing off the same zionist hymn sheet. You all know the fundamentalist talmud reader's plan, don't you?
AS an American, all I can say is that the original inhapitants were rendered fifth class citizens. I really don't mind paying for that in their casinos. Those flooding the borders should be facing machine guns. Thos that make it have shown dedication and courage, and I welcome them, after they sign in.
http://www.jsmineset.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/clip_image002.jpg
Q: What is causing refugee flood in EU ?
A: USA wars in Africa and Middle East that EU participates in as well (e.g. Sarkozy in Libya)
And encouragement from Qatar, SA and above all ISIS. There are many sleepers among the ranks of these refugees.
Sweden is now basking in the increasingly ugly glow of multiculturalism.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/259443/scandinavias-new-religion-multicu...
It has occurred to me that those running the "earth experiment" decided that it was not running quickly enough and decided to force people of different races to live together so that there would be more interbreeding.
... or possibly so there was more conflict or both.
So, by forcing migrations (even Obomber style), they get their intermixing.
What that picture doesn't show is how Brussel's head underwater wraps back underneath in their ass.
Had to jump in their when I read that first line.
I stick to legal correctness since I don't want to get into ideological/ moral highgrounding arguments over this.
Technically, one of those peoples migrating from Libya onto Greece and often through into Germany/ UK etc. They are 'Asylulm seekers'. So long as they are persecuted in their own countries and wish to claim asylum they are asylum seekers. Neither maigrants nor refugees.
Europe is getting fucked big time. Most Europeans that I know don't want African/Arab immigrants, but are either too lazy to do something about it, or too scared to be called "racist".
If nothing is done, Europe of tomorrow will be a third-world shit-hole with majority of population being black/asian/mulatto (since they breed much faster).
As for Raul, the author of this article, - how about you go live somewhere in Africa or Bangladesh and spare everyone here from you liberal multicultural bs
They have multiplied like rabbits and don't have the resources in their countries to support themselves. They are invaders not refugees. Parasites for whomever they invade. Before they used to fight outside invaders, now somehow they want us to pity them and help us get destroyed. Lybia had 1.4 million in 1960, now they have 6 million. If Europeans quadrupled instead, then they would have had to invade other countries. Being responsible and maintaining a standard of living doesn't pay now that Europe is not fighting invaders. Having less offsprings allows better care and education if there are no parasite invaders.
If they didn't have any 'resources' in their countries then the U.S wouldn't be bombing the fuckin' living daylights out of 'em.
Guillotine 4 U
Hm....
A) Wikileaks released information that the EU was planning to send war ships to gun down Libyan boats, even if it meant collateral damage such as destroying trade, Libya responded that they would adopt aggressive action.
B) 'Swarm' of migrants is not a nice thing to say, but Cameron has done far worse. He (I.e. those he works for he is probably a replaceable clone) rigged the election to get in IMO.
I liked the article though. I will bookmark it for future reference. It'll be good for convincing the left to leave the EU. 17,000 deaths is pretty bad.
Guillotine 4 U
If you want a story on the levels of 'migration' etc. Look into the detention centres for failed asylum seekers in the UK.
in Germany its exactly the same..but worse. Schweinmeyer and Gabriel...two heads of the evil compact that calls itself a coalition government came out with a ten point plan the other day.
It was completely devoid of substance or practical steps to help alleviate the storming of the borders problem. Each of their ten points were crafted to strengthen the EUs hold on power and to destabilize the nations. They are Eurocentric traitors couching their insidious intentions in sentimental tripe. they are playing on the battered sense of self-esteem that the German people have been saturated in since 1945. Its effective.
They have stopped rational conversation on the topic of border control.
RAM does a bit of disinformation campaign, here
fact is that immigration from outside the EU is a national prerogative, where the EU as org has been very firmly told to keep it's hand's off by the member sovereigns
fact is that the EU org officials are busy reminding every national government how they were rebuffed 9 years ago when they proposed some common policy (and forgetting FRONTEX, btw)
fact is that both Germany / the Merkel gov and France / the Hollande gov are just now making a new Franco-German proposal package... which will probably be very late and highly criticized
for Varoufakis things are simple: print EuroBonds, plenty of them (Dr. Krugman just recently noted that sovereigns have too little debt), have the ECB monetize them, then shower all problems with money
for RAM, here, the thing is as simple: if the EU is not doing anything, then it's heartless. and ergo it's not democratic
the EU is not a country, is not a culture and is not a superstate. it's an alliance. a club. of sovereign countries, all with own taxes, own police and own military forces
and RAM has to obliquely admit in the article that the UK for example is absolutely not interested in any common policy
frankly, even the european imperialists of old would have a higher moral ground, here. at least they brought order to the territories they occupied
witness the neo-colonialism of today: bombs, yes. boots on the ground, perhaps. "nation building"? only as much as needed for scams. and... fuck the rest
there is a lot of shame that ought to be dispensed, and a lot of culprits
but disinformation has seldom improved any situation, RAM. you ought to be ashamed too, touching those matters that involve the life of so many only through a prism of ideology with a very selective choice of facts for a "hitpiece" article that has only one redeeming tract: empathy for the pain of those who flee war from their countries
@Ghordius - you make some excellent points. I had coffee last weekend with a woman who works on the front lines of the this battle in southern germany. One of the concrete steps that the german gubmint HAS made is to assign a new status to ALL "refugees" coming from the lands of the former Yugoslavia. Those countries are now not considered endangered and so all applications for asylum are denied inclkuding those of people who have been waiting for years in asylum homes after going through the legal process.
She was beside herself with genuine , front-line, grief over the fates of these people who have NOTHING and nowhere to go other than a busride back the lands they fled.
There is no heart in this decision, it is simply a calculation which the muftis believe is sellable.
Also, its not that states should not have refugee acceptance procedures nor migration polocies but they are not equal to one another and should be defined and regulated seperately. Addditionally, to ignore the home-made causes of the plight of the MILLIONS that are now on their way to Europe is to deny their own culpability in the hegemonic policies which continue to drive this huge wave.
If all they want is safety then they could stay in Turkey or Greece/Macedonia which are not warzones. They want to specificaly come to Northern Europe to drain those countries Social Security systems - systems they have not paid 1 cent into.
Europeans that have paid into these systems for decades are already looking at retirement ages being increased by decades, much more expensive higher education, and worse healthcare with longer waiting times.
And Frankly fuck the EU and EU governments - almost nobody in Europe has been in favour of the insane Neocon/Israeli foreign policy debacle over the last decade and a half.
How do people spend YEARS in refugee camps or public housing and wind up nothing and nowhere to go in the first place? It reeks of EU frankenfreak treaty obligations, otherwise- refugees would (or could) be dealt with in a more time and cost efficient manner... Which would imply the author of the piece is begging for Ein EU Reich.
More concerning is the wanna be EU Führers not letting the crisis "go to waste" and using it to further their goal of Ein EU Reich.
But what's even more concerning is the lack of push and progress by (supposedly) sovereign States and Eurosceptic politicians towards a decentralized approach to dealing with the situation.