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The Myth Of A Russian 'Threat'
Authored by Pepe Escobar, originally posted at SputnikNews.com,
Not a week goes by without the Pentagon carping about an ominous Russian "threat".
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey entered certified Donald “known unknown” Rumsfeld territory when he recently tried to conceptualize the “threat”; “Threats are the combination, or the aggregate, of capabilities and intentions. Let me set aside for the moment, intentions, because I don’t know what Russia intends.”
So Dempsey admits he does not know what he’s talking about. What he seems to know is that Russia is a “threat” anyway — in space, cyber space, ground-based cruise missiles, submarines.
And most of all, a threat to NATO; “One of the things that Russia does seem to do is either discredit, or even more ominously, create the conditions for the failure of NATO.”
So Russia “does seem” to discredit an already self-discredited NATO. That’s not much of a “threat”.
All these rhetorical games take place while NATO “does seem” to get ready for a direct confrontation with Russia. And make no mistake; Moscow does view NATO’s belligerence as a real threat.
It’s PGS vs. S-500
The “threat” surge happens just as US Think Tankland recharges the notion of containment of Russia. Notorious CIA front Stratfor has peddled a propaganda piece praising Cold War mastermind George Kennan as the author of the “containment of Russia” policy.
The US intel apparatus don’t do irony; before he died, Kennan said it was now the US that had to be contained, not Russia.
Containment of Russia – via the expansion of the EU and NATO — has always been a work in progress because the geopolitical imperative has always been the same; as Dr. Zbigniew “The Grand Chessboard” Brzezinski never tired of stressing, it was always about preventing the – threatening — emergence of a Eurasian power capable of challenging the US.
Ultimately, the notion of “containment” can be stretched out towards the dismantling of Russia itself. It also carries the inbuilt paradox that NATO’s infinite expansion eastwards has made Eastern Europe less, not more, safe.
Assuming there would even be a lethal Russia-NATO confrontation, Russian tactical nuclear weapons would knock out all NATO airports in less than twenty minutes. Dempsey – cryptically – admits as much.
What he cannot possibly admit is if a decision had been made in Washington, a long time ago, preventing NATO’s infinite expansion, Russia’s concerted move to upgrade its nuclear weapon arsenal would have been unnecessary.
Geopolitically, the Pentagon has finally seen which way the – strategic partnership – wind is blowing; towards Russia-China. This major game-changing shift in the global balance of power also translates as the combined military assets of China and Russia exceeding NATO’s.
In terms of military power Russia has superior offensive and defensive missiles over the US, with the new generation surface-to-air missile system, the S-500, capable of intercepting supersonic targets and totally sealing Russian airspace.
Moreover, despite short-term financial turbulence, the Sino-Russian combined strategy for Eurasia – an interpenetration of the New Silk Road(s) and the Eurasian Economic Union (EEU) – is bound to develop their economies and the region at large to an extent that may surpass the EU and the US combined by 2030.
What’s left for NATO is to stage military strength made-for-TV shows such as “Atlantic Resolve” to “reassure the region”, especially hysteria-prone Poland and the Baltics.
Moscow, meanwhile, has made it clear that nations deploying US-owned anti-ballistic missile systems in their territory will face missile early-warning systems deployed in Kaliningrad.
And Major General Kirill Makarov, Russia’s Aerospace Defense Forces’ deputy chief, has already made it clear Moscow is upgrading its air and missile defense capabilities to smash any – real — threat by the US Prompt Global Strike (PGS).
In the December 2014 Russian military doctrine, NATO’s military build-up and PGS are listed as Russia’s top security threats. Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov has stressed, “Russia is capable of and will have to develop a system like PGS.”
Where’s our loot?
The Pentagon’s rhetorical games also serve to mask a real high-stakes process; essentially an energy war – centering on the control of oil, natural gas and mineral resources of Russia and Central Asia. Will this wealth be controlled by oligarch frontmen “supervised” by their masters in New York and London, or by Russia and its Central Asian partners? Thus the relentless propaganda war.
A case can be made that the Masters of the Universe have resurrected the same old containment/threat geopolitical alibis – peddled by what we could dub the Brzezinski/Stratfor connection — to cover, or conceal, another stark fact.
And the fact is that the real reason for Cold War 2.0 is New York/London financial power suffering a trillion dollar-plus loss when President Putin extracted Russia from their looting schemes.
And the same applies to the entire Kiev coup — forced through by the same New York/London financial powers to block Putin from destroying their looting operations in Ukraine (which, by the way, proceed unabated, at least in the agricultural domain).
Containment/threat is also deployed on overdrive to prevent by all means a strategic partnership between Russia and Germany – which the Brzezinski/Stratfor connection sees as an existential threat to the US.
The connection’s wet dreams – shared, incidentally, by the neo-cons – would be a glorious return to the looting phase of Russia in the 1990s, when the Russian industrial-military complex had collapsed and the West was plundering natural resources to Kingdom Come.
It’s not going to happen ever again. So what’s the Pentagon Plan B? To create the conditions of turning Europe into a potential theater of nuclear war. Now that’s a real threat – if there ever was one.
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The MIC needs an external threat to justify spending over $1 trillion a year on the military
Putin is no pussy cat. This documentary tears him a new one:
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2015/04/vladimir-putins-long-shadow-fifth-...
Putin has serious power behind him, as in real unspoken power!
Vladimir Putin’s Russia: Perfect Foil To The Anglo-American Axis And Their New World ‘Order’
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=8159
"The Myth Of A Russian 'Threat'"
Exactly. Gazillions of megatons of nuclear tipped ICBMs are NOT a threat to anyone. What silly person would believe that they are? They're just nukes. Everyone knows that nukes are just like baby kittens.
Valentin Mironov #2: Soviet power is a myth. Great show. There are no spare parts. Nothing is working, nothing, it's nothing but painted rust. But you, you need to keep the Russian myth alive to maintain your military industrial complex. Your system depends on Russian being perceived as a mortal threat. It's not a threat. It was never a threat. It will never be a threat. It's a rotted, bloated cow.
--The Good SheperdWhatever floats your boat dude... But don't try launching any crap in their general direction, or you'll live just long enough to see you're kinda wrong.
The US intel apparatus don’t do irony; before he died, Kennan said it was now the US that had to be contained, not Russia.
Proof of fact please?
"In terms of military power Russia has superior offensive and defensive missiles over the US, with the new generation surface-to-air missile system, the S-500, capable of intercepting supersonic targets and totally sealing Russian airspace."
Utter Bullshit.
Russia themselves admit they would lose a conventional conflict with the U.S./NATO, which is why their military doctrine has a thin tripwire for the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
As usual after 6:00PM (and for purposes of increasing ad revenue by drawing those of limited mental capacity for additional ad impressions), Zero Hedge publishes articles that are both factually questionable and which appeal to the libTARD America haters.
Interesting strategy there, Tyler.
Do not be confused.
The vast majority of geo-political psychopaths are in the US and the rest of the west.
That is only because we do it best.... /SARC
Point taken.
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Russia poses no threat. Putin is an overrated homosexual. Obama will continue to pawn him. All hail Obama.
"Moscow, meanwhile, has made it clear that nations deploying US-owned anti-ballistic missile systems in their territory will face missile early-warning systems deployed in Kaliningrad."
That's fine - Poland doesn't need "US-owned anti-ballistic missile systems" - it bought its own Patriot system and will also buy a long range anti-missile system.
"What’s left for NATO is to stage military strength made-for-TV shows such as “Atlantic Resolve” to “reassure the region”, especially hysteria-prone Poland and the Baltics."
Well, the US just agreed to store heavy weapons in Poland. Each year the US' presence in Poland will grow. Soon there will be a permanent US military base in Poland - but go ahead rodrigo, try to portray this as a tv show - sit back and watch Russia's plan for USSR2 come to an end, bit by bit.
In terms of military power Russia has superior offensive and defensive missiles over the US, with the new generation surface-to-air missile system, the S-500, capable of intercepting supersonic targets and totally sealing Russian airspace.
Of course, the author is oblivious to stealth technology and deep top secret technology that the US has. Poland picked up a nice batch of stealth missiles by the way - which forced russia to relocate an airbase deeper into Belarus, farther away from the Polish border.
Bottom line, this is a shitty propaganda article. There's so many holes in this guy's rant. And of course he purposefully omits any mention of all the russian threats this year, and in past years to launch first-strike nuclear attacks on Poland, Sweden, Norway, Romanie, etc.
Russia invaded Ukraine, Poland called article 5 back-up, now Russia is acting as if NATO's showing up for no reason. The russian trolls will love this, but you know what? You better hope there's no war because the US' physical assets are all that matter.
.....pound sand Mr Kitty/PrettyBird ...... don't you have a jar of marmalade to open or somehting??
Dumb and Dumber
<<Putin has serious power behind him>>
One big difference is that Putin has a 97% approval rating. The other 3% maybe bad mouth him now and then but when push comes to shove, 100% of them will support Mother Russia because of their ideology which many Americans lost long ago looking for those [fictitious] WMDs in the sands of Sandwichstan, or even prior to that stopping those 'Commies' in the jungles of Vietnam.
97% approval for Putin? From where? Russian state propaganda stations.
I have a freind who just took over the Nike Russia account and she says Moscow is booming. People arn't shitting in the streets and no riots. She feels safer their than NYC.
isn't it amazing when jews don't control and take over your country? Hijack the media, movie indistry, music industry, own all famous athletes, hijack the gov't which controls the military, force open borders with nigger savages destroying everything?
That's one way to put it.
People are not shitting in the street like San Fran and NYC? How uncivilized.
The videos of Russia in many areas look like the USA in the 1950s. Well dressed white people with kids doing family things.
Agreed on the second half of your reaction. First part is only partly true. Similar situation existed in the 1950-1970's period but then in reverse; the West introduced the tripwire (US troops were closest to the Warsaw Pact (US population must see lots of US dead before getting geared up for war, especially in defending those pesky Europeans).
What remains is a situation where both parties (an in this situation perhaps the Russians) must make a war too costly for the other party. Excellent essay "will the living envy the dead' on this issue from the 1970's I believe. Other problem, Germany as always in the middle. They won't except conventional war (they will be destroyed by either side for sure) and certainly not allow 'tactical nukes' to be used over their heads. The Chinese probably will support Russia, if only for their strategic longer-term position (although not completely convinced yet).
Bottom line, nukes are not really the problem - too costly for all. Proxy wars and increased repression abroad and at home (so indeed cold war 2.0) could turn out to be just as devestating on the long run.
America is fully aware that the way to draw Russia into a conflict is to push forward towards Russia’s borders. In time, Russia will be forced to defend its right to exist, and when this happens, western powers will not know what hit them!
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/22/4790
George Kennan Two Planes of Reality.."""There is, let me assure you, nothing in nature more egocentrical than the embattled democracy. It soon becomes the victim of its own war propaganda. It then tends to attach to its own cause an absolute value which distorts everything else. Its enemy becomes the embodiment of all evil. Its own side, on the other hand, is the center of all virtue. The contest comes to be viewed as having a final, apocalyptic quality. If we lose, all is lost; life will no longer be worth living; there will be nothing to be salvaged. If we win, then everything will be possible; all our problems will become soluble; the one great source of evil--our enemy--will have been crushed; the forces of good will then sweep forward unimpeded; all worthy aspirations will be satisfied."""""
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Even if you show me a nuclear ICBM test you're bluffing bout your capacity. Your politicians lie to you about everything and abscond with the money. How much is Pelosi worth? Fiendstien? Harman? Bush, Clinton, Gore, Obama, Kerry, the Duke McCain and his chambermaid Palin? How much did these pirates tell you they spent on nukes and "research"? Bwahahahaha
Trust, but verify.
Trust But Verify.
TRUST AND VERIFY
Where are the Jews in your list?
...and winner for the only nation to use nuclear weapons in an offensive action against other people, including civilians, is....???
and the winner is the only nation to use atomic weapons for terror purposes.
Do Russian people have a "right" to bear arms in their own defence?
Yes, or No.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya
Russians proper, no.
Russian community co-prosperity partners,
are under the impression that they should be able to defend themselves.
Agree. Unipolar force is a threat. There needs balance. Russia is not a threat in the sense they're making them out to be.
Oh boy. Yesterday ZH posted an article about how Putin was moving into Syria with planes and troops, a whole expeditionary force.
This morning RT posted an article on their website stating that they had talked to a russian military representative and he stated no planes or any of the other troops were going to Syria. But everyone disregards what the russian military says and is hyping what a media outlet in Israel said.
A few weeks ago Putin hosted the leaders of the insurgents to ask them to consider his advice on how a post Assad Syria will be structured. Putin is willing to give up Assad and will not assist.
Putin is being bitch slapped back into the confines of Russia. He never has confronted NATO or the west. He votes (or gives consent by not voting against) in the UN in compliance with the wishes of the zionist. He gave consent for the sanctions and naval blockade against the rebels in Yemen most recently.
Yet, the meme about tough guy, scary Putin never stop. When he lets himself get kicked it is great chess playing. Oh boy. Russia could be overrun and stripped of it's riches (again) and the meme would be that it was a master chess move.
Based upon real actions it is most likely that Putin is part of the NWO agenda but a junior member who wants to be a upper member.
I have one word for you:
Maskirovka.
It may be starting to look like Bendirovka...
tough crowd..
A few more words.
Iraq1, Iraq2, Serbia, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Ukraine
What do all those have in common.
Russia/Putin voting for or giving consent for their destruction. Betrayed. Not sure about the others but in Iraq Russia even refused to supply technical advice or to supply parts .
Russia watching while they were being destroyed, even if by a proxy rag tag insurgent force.
How can one not see obvious propaganda is ridiculous. It was funny seeing some Canadians hating Putin the last winter. People who did not actually care about Russia or geopolitics, who do not even know where Ukraine is. They can guess Russia cuz size if you point them to a map. But CNN ran a documentary for couple a weeks of half an hour accusing Putin of things not even mentioned in this video and saying how he probably is the worlds only trillion and how he owns all these castles, castles which are state residencies of Russia for decades or centuries. And what I did not understand how can all those people just eat all that propaganda without figuring WHY did CNN play a documentary for few weeks about Putin and WHY are they spitting oh him. WHY was there no documentary before and WHY so forcefully now. It does not matter, I figured out mind control is strong here. And it is so easy for CNN cuz just after Putin "documentary" a story about disable cats playing with children. Well they can't lie about cats, they wouldn't lie about Putin, would they?
The West is quickly becoming too bankrupt for its MIC...
Heard on the radio today that we (the U.S.) are wanting to commission a small fleet of ice breakers for the Arctic.
We had relied upon the Ruskies in that regard, but as relations sour we will have to spend approx. $1 billion per.
Russia's push to lock up energy resources up top has got us jumping through our asses to catch up.
Obama, a AGW'er went to AK amidst a summer snowstorm to whine about AGW, announces need for Arctic icebreakers. You can't make this shit up.
Ha! I'm sure Pope Algore I is delighted that snowstorms are following someone else.
It seems every time he (Algore) has a summit or conference on AGW, a snowstorm appears.
I love it!
Doesn't matter. Cognitively Dissonant Grubered voters will never connect the dots of the Teleprompter in Chief's misadventures.
@angel_of_joy: "The West is quickly becoming too bankrupt for its MIC... "
"The West" or The West of "The West"?
meanwhile, note how the author (Pepe Escobar) talks about Poland and the Baltics in this article:
"What’s left for NATO is to stage military strength made-for-TV shows such as “Atlantic Resolve” to “reassure the region”, especially hysteria-prone Poland and the Baltics"
America has become what the Soviet's could only dream of.
Pick your enemies carefully-in their vanquish you'll need to become more than they!!
Is the banker oligarchpoly an internal or external threat?
Its neither and both. Its a sytemic threat like a virus.
By 1980 no nation on earth not even stupid ones like North Korea would willingly take on the military industrial complex so to justify its existence it recruited trained and armed its own future enemies,but the war on teror has warn off so now we have Russia and China back in the mix.Next to keep those trillions flowing will be the alien threat I guess
They'll develop AI drones and what-not, then a contingent will be hacked, become self aware and hostile. Then they can fight themselves,
jacking it all the way to the bank. https://youtu.be/xhNneU5shTs
No matter his intentions, Putin is just fine watching the empire of the moment implode on its own terms.
It's not the US that has to be contained. It's the bastards that took over the US and European governments. It is the central banks, Goldman Sachs and so on that have to be contained. Can't anyone that is a noted authority get it right
They are afraid to say the word "Jew".
the zio-british empire did the same thing to Germany prior to WW1..........they are using the same fucking playbook they used over one hundred yrs ago..........
He also said something to the effect of, an almond per day keeps cancer away. Don't know if he was right, but I like
almonds so why not, well other than the gallon of water per almond, but I figure the potential price rise in almonds
would square that circle. If they get high enough, then I guess I'll just risk a bigger threat of the big C.
Did he mean the California almonds that are almost all fumigated with PPO (some are steam treated but more expensive). I think if you buy the organic then you might be ok otherwise you may just be increasing you cancer risk.
Some farmers were going to court to get the feds requirement removed but have not heard of any success.
RUTIN’,TUTIN’ fresh as PUTIN
IHOP is sure stepping it up with a new menu item;
That’s two Migs (any version),
two Belgian waffens,
and a side of bangers (czar bomba)
coming soon to a pipeline conflict near you
The West is it's own biggest threat.
We're dying of self inflected wounds. The Russians and Chinese know all they have to do is stand down and watch the US empire die on it's own. Question remains whether TPTB in the West will start a war or peaceably step aside and allow restructuring and redistribution of power.
We have met the enemy and he is us.
Was just listening to Le Mystère Des Voix Bulgares and found my eyes wet with tears.
Those filth, those subhuman garbage attacking Slavic civilization - can't be led into their graves fast enough.
when it comes down to it, the mic will launch nukes, bio-tech or space based weapons to defend the dollar. it is their bread and butter
Will this wealth be controlled by oligarch frontmen “supervised” by their masters in New York and London, or by oligarch frontmen “supervised” by their masters in Russia and its Central Asian partners?
Just heard that Putin has 40+ ice breakers roaming the Arctic laying claim to hundreds of thousands of square miles of undersea oil patches. He even planted a Russian flag on sea floor at North Pole. Meanwhile Obama and Kerry were warning about America's gravest threat - Carbon.
While up in Alaska Obama's people sent a broadside to Putin's people threatening to increase our ice breaker fleet in the Arctic from 2 to 3 "By the year 2020." Take that, Putin!
Not really, America is doing a good job on Russia, but your rightwing commie cock sucking crowd are rooting for Putin.
"rightwing commies" - now there is a combination for the intelligent!
Yeah but 3 icebreakers is still more then Iran has in the region. So we,re number 2. We're still number 1 in a lot of categories. We have more debt (by far) than anyone else in the world. In the last 50 years we've killed far more people, we've created far more refugees (no one else is close) , we have far nore people incarcerated than anyone -ever in history-we,ve aborted far more babies than anyone else, we will soon have far mre legalized gay marriages -the list goes on and on. So don't tell me about icebreakers.
agreeing on all points, apart from abortions. Women have the right to their body not the government.
Never underestimate the willingness of the American public to be shanghaid into believing in phony threats. The witches that were burned in Salem; the American natives that were wiped out; the brutal dictators that were installed in central and south america; the Mexicans who were defeated and humiliated because a bunch of white texans wanted the land; the phoney war with Vietnam; the phoney WMD's in Iraq. Now it's China that is being used as the 'excuse' for the failures of the 1%, and they have massively failed. Their cover up will be just as massive. What we need right now are Statesmen, Diplomats, not war mongers and xenophobic idiots.
Hey, we whipped the Mexicans fair and square!
They should have kept the promises made.to the settlers they invited in....
Yeah, but we don't want this 55 gallon drum of whup-ass to spoil. Use it or lose it.
http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/miksteer/image001-8.jpg
And we did it all with God On Our Side...
And the Enemy hasn't Changed in 52 YEARs
Note the bolded stanza
Oh my name it is nothin’
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I’s taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that the land that I live in
Has God on its side
Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side
Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
l’s made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side
Oh the First World War, boys
It closed out its fate
The reason for fighting
I never got straight
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don’t count the dead
When God’s on your side
When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side
I’ve learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It’s them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side
But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we’re forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God’s on your side
Through many dark hour
I’ve been thinkin’ about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can’t think for you
You’ll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side
So now as I’m leavin’
With God On Our Side by Bob DylanI’m weary as Hell
The confusion I’m feelin’
Ain’t no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God’s on our side
He’ll stop the next war
1963
not even good russian propaganda
I miss the old soviet days, when the russian shit-spewers could publish really entertaining crap
Back in the Soviet days there were a lot of Ukrainians, Belarussians, Georgians and others working together.
You were an ignorant cunt back then and norhing has changed for ya. Keep sucking it muritard.
Meanwhile... America to officially ally with Al Qeada (again!)
http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-fighters-could-tackle-petraeus-231815288....
The exceptional believe their own hype.
None of us really know much about the balance of power... although the political rifting of so many top officers by the Obama administration so they could be replaced by political hacks, and the reorganization of the military's mission to that of an equal opportunity employer, certainly hasn't improved the US position.
What we can be certain of is that none of us in either hemisphere has anything to gain and everything to lose from conflict. Yet we are being driven into it like so many cattle herded over a cliff.
Do these demonic thugs that are doing the driving actually believe they have a plan to escape. Or are they so addicted to power they care not for the outcome so long as they maintain the illusion they are in charge?
I personally do not believe there is life anywhere else in the universe. My belief is partially centered on my faith as a Christian and partially upon my training in the sciences. And just as an off hand, we have for many years monitored incoming radiation for signs of intelligence. And it would seem that with all the organized energy patterns emanating from our own planet, that if there were other such worlds, other than ours, something would have reached us.
But there is another take... and that is that the Darwinian experiment into intelligence is such a monumental failure that by the time a sentient race reaches the Information Age it's survival is measured in months and years and not in centuries.
Perhaps no one sticks around long enough to get the word out...
Not true, ZH will shill for Putin any day of the week.
"I personally do not believe there is life anywhere else in the universe."
The universe is a pretty big place. I wouldn't be so confident of that assertion given the evidence that not only does life exist on earth, but it does so under extremely harsh conditions, including at least three mass extinction events. Life is nothing if not persistent.
From a mathematical perspective, given what we already know of conditions here on earth, I'd say there's a good chance that event occurs fairly often, but let's make a conservative assumption that the conditions for life to exist occur only once in the lifetime of a galaxy.
Well, how many galaxies are there?
http://www.space.com/25303-how-many-galaxies-are-in-the-universe.html
Again, conservatively speaking, if only one percent of known galaxies have a single planet where life exists, you're still looking at well over 1 billion worlds.
Mathematically speaking, I'd say you're on the wrong side of that bet, although it may take a while to settle the issue, given the time and distances involved.
It's not the presence or absence of evidence, it's the seriousness of the allegations.
Or something like that.
The word if is evidence of nothing... and there is a great deal of debate on the probability of 'Earth Type' worlds, but I suspect that I can give you a better argument for your point of view.
If life is a result of material processes than life producing worlds would indeed be common place, as the series of accidents required to produce life would themselves be so improbable as to almost certainly require some very large number of worlds to produce a single spark.
The fact that no such mechanism for the production of life has even reasonably been offered of course makes this debate difficult. But you have in fact missed the point of what I wrote, namely...
That if we are in fact bound by our nature without hope of something else, something, that as some folks like to say, greater than ourselves, we are more than likely only around for a short time longer. I really have no opinion as to wether or not that is true... I know what I believe, and why I believe it, but that does not make what I believe true.
I am in the same boat you are, and forced to make a choice regarding where I place my faith.
"I am in the same boat you are, and forced to make a choice regarding where I place my faith."
I'm going to respond to that even though this is a stale thread because it illustrates a basic difference which I think more people need to understand.
The dictionary definition:
faith/f?TH/
noun
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
1. I have neither complete trust nor confidence in anyone, including myself.
2. I have no strong belief in a deity, since proof of such is not in evidence.
In short, I don't operate on the basis of faith, but on what I can observe, and what I can infer from those observations, bearing in mind our senses are subject to error and misinterpretation.
The essential difference between us is not a matter of faith but of procedure. I operate on the basis that nothing is certain - that what I think I know is at all time subject to revision or correction on the basis of new information, or reformulation of previous data.
Therefore, if I can be said to have "faith" in anything, it's in the methodology of science, which includes the feature of self-correction and the underlying philosophical premise that nothing is ever certain in absolute terms - that even our most basic assumptions are open to question.
Not to belabor the point, but the principles of reason, as set forth by the ancient Greeks, are common to both scientific philosophy and Christian theology. The essential difference is not a matter of praxis but of identifying primary cause, which for the scientist is either an open question, or a non-sequitur, depending on their personal outlook.
To clarify, I would suggest all people of faith read the works of the Jesuit, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, whose efforts, in my opinion, have done more to close the gap between our two outlooks than any other theologist, past or present.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin
Well with yet another response to a dead post... and ebear, I appreciate the response. I essentially understood your response before you posted. The fact that you can see that your preferred adhearance to scientific methodology could be seen as a kind of faith is encouraging. The fact that you appreciate our difference as one of identifying primary cause, and not one of praxis, as you put it, is even more encouraging.
I suspect you and I could have a grand time over a few beers except I gave beer up many years ago...
By the way, while I earned my living teaching chemistry, I pursued a career in molecular genetics once upon a time. Sadly, I do not think there are many adherents to scientific methodology left in the sciences, as my daughters are discovering... one will soon be pursuing a PhD in biology while the other is off to medical school.
But the chat has been fun, and you have earned my respect for what it may be worth to you, and assuming you ever return to this dead post...
Although Martin Dempsey said, "Let me set aside for the moment, intentions, because I don’t know what Russia intends," he sure knows what the United States intends, and that is to fuck Russia up by hooks or by crooks.
This article didn't come from the RT did it?
Trust me, I am harmless.
Windshield wiper effect
erase erase
memory disorder.
As a US citizen, I woukd agreee - its the US that needs to be contained at this point.
Fed. Remove the Fed and honest pricing will reappear. Without the Fed, money for the MIC can not be conjured out of nowhere. The Fed is incompatible with a constitutional republic.
great read
thanks tyler and Mr. Pepe Escobar
keep em comin
regarding brzezinski :: carter/ reagan/ bush #41 and asshole clinton that handed pakistan its nuke program on a silver platter to get clinton reelected
ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Barlow
'The man that knew to much' http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/oct/13/usa.pakistan
of course the ussa knew about libya's nuclear program, iraq's program and iran's program not to mention north korea using pakistan a.q.khan's test site dec/1998,... testing there own plutonium abomb in exchange for a suitable blueprint used in improvising a delivery system. all paid for by the ussa and saudi arabia and gcc's *qatar.
again, great read
The Death Of Petrodollar Is Near, Prepare For The Collapse: "V" The Guerrilla Economist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmiGKwybnrA (44:31)
Thanks Tylers for another Pepe Escobar post.
Great writer for a long time.
Sounds about right.
It’s a remarkable plus for Zero Hedge to be able to provide such a detailed and honest analysis of the Russia-NATO faceoff in Europe from a man of Pepe’s caliber. The world is literally starved for the truth behind the official lies and Pepe delivers.
It’s interesting to note Pepe’s references to Stratfor (aka George Friedman) that has become a player in providing false information in US military situations such as this.
When you read what Stratfor has to say you’re reading what Goldman Sachs wants you to see. Stratfor is the mouthpiece for Goldman.
Remember this from 2012 when Anonymous, the anonymous hacking group, pinged 5m emails it stole from Stratfor, the political intelligence consultancy, to WikiLeaks (and never mind that Stratfor is the primary U.S. propaganda arm for Israeli foreign policy)?
WikiLeaks: The Global Intelligence File – “LONDON—Today, Monday 27 February (2012), WikiLeaks began publishing The Global Intelligence Files – more than five million emails from the Texas-headquartered ‘global intelligence’ company Stratfor. The emails date from between July 2004 and late December 2011. They reveal the inner workings of a company that fronts as an intelligence publisher, but provides confidential intelligence services to large corporations, such as Bhopal’s Dow Chemical Co., Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and government agencies, including the US Department of Homeland Security, the US Marines and the US Defense Intelligence Agency. The emails show Stratfor’s web of informers, pay-off structure, payment-laundering techniques and psychological methods…
“Stratfor’s use of insiders for intelligence soon turned into a money-making scheme of questionable legality. The emails show that in 2009 then-Goldman Sachs Managing Director Shea Morenz and Stratfor CEO George Friedman hatched an idea to ‘utilise the intelligence’ it was pulling in from its insider network to start up a captive strategic investment fund. CEO George Friedman explained in a confidential August 2011 document, marked DO NOT SHARE OR DISCUSS : "What StratCap will do is use our Stratfor’s intelligence and analysis to trade in a range of geopolitical instruments, particularly government bonds, currencies and the like". The emails show that in 2011 Goldman Sach’s Morenz invested ‘substantially’ more than $4million and joined Stratfor’s board of directors. Throughout 2011, a complex offshore share structure extending as far as South Africa was erected, designed to make StratCap appear to be legally independent. But, confidentially, Friedman told StratFor staff : "Do not think of StratCap as an outside organisation. It will be integral... It will be useful to you if, for the sake of convenience, you think of it as another aspect of Stratfor and Shea as another executive in Stratfor... we are already working on mock portfolios and trades…”
https://wikileaks.org/the-gifiles.html
The case of petroleum resources is the single greatest example of how private property is based on backing up claims with coercions, while the most abstract form of that is money being measurement backed by murder. The deeper problems are the same, since they are driven by the same mechanisms, namely, social success based on being able to back up lies with violence causes civilization to behave in criminally insane ways, while practically nothing can be done to prevent that from happening.
The international banksters are the best organized gangs of criminals, that already effectively control all NATO countries. Countries like Russia got the shit kicked out of them by the international banksters covertly directing the political events that happened in Russia. During that process, Russia barely survived (its demographic predicament is quite extreme at the present time due to the history of wars, democides, and their knock on effects.) However, Russia did survive, as well as learned a thing or two, so that Russia can provide some credible deterrence against the international banksters being able to control the public "money" supplies, and thereby control the "ownership" of natural resources. However, the ONLY way that Russia could do that was by becoming basically similar, or by assimilating and adopting basically the same sets of attitudes, social systems, and technologies.
Hence, there is nothing "wonderful" about the alternative that Russia presents. Rather, they are too much like NATO countries, and indeed, must have become too much like NATO countries. It is hard to unequivocally declare that Russia is NOT still playing some roles within the overall globalized systems of triumphant organized crime, controlling governments, and thereby controlling everything else, to the degree that things could be controlled by some human beings using dishonesty backed by violence, in ways which kept most other human beings ignorant and afraid.
THE BIG PROBLEM IS THAT THERE ARE NO MECHANISMS TO PREVENT THE PETROLEUM RESOURCES FROM BEING CONSUMED AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, IN THE MOST WASTEFUL WAYS.
Although I certainly agree that there is "essentially an energy war – centering on the control of oil, natural gas and mineral resources of Russia and Central Asia," OVERALL, THE ENTIRE HUMAN SPECIES AND THE PLANET IS GOING TO LOSE THAT WAR.
The great tragedy is that nothing can stop civilization from being controlled by the biggest and best organized gangs of criminals. The conflicts between Russia and its allies, versus NATO countries, are about which groups will end up being the biggest and best organized gangs of criminals. Since control of over natural resources like petroleum, etc., was achieved through the history of the development of systems of organized lies operating robberies, those means become the ends. The final results is that the ways that petroleum resources end up being consumed are criminally insane ways, that ONLY make "sense" due to those ways having been selected through the long history of backing up deceits with destruction, and then enforcing financial frauds.
No matter which particular groups end up becoming the bigger and better organized gangs of criminals, civilization thereby only becomes more criminally insane and psychotic. The sequence of short-term expediencies, which were imperative to win wars, and similarly continued to corrupt governments, end up facilitating and enabling the basic culture of civilization burning all the oil available as fast as possible, mostly to do useless things, including the paradoxically useless things of making and maintaining the military systems, and monetary systems, that decide which particular groups will be able to benefit the most from asserting "ownership" over those petroleum resources.
Generally speaking, I find guys like Pepe Escobar to be superficial cheerleaders, rooting for their preferred team. He does not seem to recognize the deeper degrees to which the overall game being played has become runaway criminal insanities, which are becoming more psychotically out of touch with reality, due to the intense paradoxes developed upon the history of being able to back up deceits with destruction, and enforce frauds, in order to assert ownership and control over natural resources, more and more driving civilization as a whole towards self-destruction.
Nobody is going to win. We are all going to lose, and probably lose worse than we can imagine. We are living inside of a civilization which lies to itself about everything to the greatest degrees possible, due to the intense paradoxes that, for thousands of years, social successfulness was based on being the best at dishonesty and backing that up with violence. All the way there, those kinds of dishonesties became bigger and BIGGER.
We are still STUCK now, even worse than before, inside of the established systems, which developed their cultures based on the social successfulness of being the biggest and best organized gangs of criminals. Those who were able to make greatest killing became the most wealthy and powerful groups. However, all of that kind of apparent social "success" was based on turning natural resources into garbage and pollution as fast as possible. Indeed, fighting over oil fields in the past demonstrated that to extreme degrees. Furthermore, the nature of the cultures that developed to win those kinds of fights were then the cultures that could rationalize and justify strip-mining the planet's natural resources as fast as possible in all other ways.
INTENSE PARADOXES exist because the death control systems, with the human murder systems being the most extreme form of those, MUST be the crucial core systems, which are central to everything else. The death controls are necessarily the keystone to the overall social structures, as well as the lynch pin that holds the social systems together. However, since the social successfulness of the death control systems became based on the maximum possible deceits and treacheries, the final result drove there to be a criminally insane civilization, automatically becoming more psychotic every day.
Fighting over the natural resources, and the monetary systems that will control access to those natural resources, looks unavoidable, since people generally can not agree upon anything else. To the degree that people can not agree upon the death control systems, then they end up in conflict over those systems. The history of that is how and why we ended up with the situation being that NATO countries are collectively the biggest gang of criminals, which are controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, the international banksters, which are currently attempting to recapture more control over other countries, like Russia, that they were previously able to more easily kick the shit out of.
While guys like Pepe Escobar may be rooting for the Russians, their potential successfulness will NOT result in anything significantly different. Rather, the overall problems continue to be prodigious progress in physical science, without that being surpassed by progress in political science. Hence, what exists now are globalized systems of electronic money money frauds, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs, while various groups of those monkeys and apes are in conflict over control of the planet's natural resources.
Meanwhile, the main thing that they have in common is that they ALL are based upon economic systems which are turning those natural resources into garbage and pollution as fast as possible, especially since warfare merely does that more than otherwise, and then the outcomes of that kind of warfare enable those who were able to back up the most deceits with the most destruction to continue to control civilization, to strip-mine the planet's natural resources faster than ever.
The basic systems are that the death controls back up the debt controls. The NATO countries are now almost totally integrated into their systems of debt slavery backed by wars based on deceits. Russia appears to be slightly outside of that system, (although the degree to which Russia is really outside of that is hard to assess.) HOWEVER, THEY ARE ALL INSIDE THE SAME OVERALL SYSTEM OF LAYING WASTE TO THE PLANET, BECAUSE THEIR SUCCESSFULNESS WAS BASED ON BEING ABLE TO MAKE THE BIGGEST KILLING.
Theoretically speaking, Neolithic styles of civilization, based upon backing up lies with violence, should be transformed, by going through intellectual scientific revolutions, that apply to political science in general, and combined money/murder system in particular. However, ALL of the established systems are run by their own best available professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, who present everything they are doing in the most absurdly backward ways possible, due to the INTENSE PARADOXES that human beings live as entropic pumps of energy flows, or as systems of organized lies operating robberies, wherein the abilities of some people to do that to other people has previously mattered the most during human history, so that we have developed governments which are the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, whose excessive successes have driven civilization to behave in ways which have become runaway criminal insanities, stuck in their own accelerating vicious spirals!
For instance, that there IS "essentially an energy war – centering on the control of oil, natural gas and mineral resources of Russia and Central Asia" seriously risks starting a world war, that could escalate to using thousands of weapons of mass destruction, that are trillions of times more powerful than anything that previously existed during thousands of years of human history, which selected for the currently dominate psychological and political habits that are controlling civilization to behave in that way, so that there is a race to lay waste as much petroleum resources as possible, in order to prevent some other group from being able to lay waste those petroleum resources.
The BIG PROBLEM is how to operate human murder systems after the development of weapons of mass destruction. So far, there is nothing which has been developed in those respects than the MAD Mutual Assured Destruction, backing up the MAD Money As Debt systems. Overall, the problems that it is political impossible to agree upon any better death control systems continues to drive civilization as a whole towards collectively committing suicide, due to the established systems' MADNESS.
I agreed with the final conclusion in the article above:
However, in my view, guys like Pepe Escobar appear to be too biased, or partisan, to gain perspective on the magnitude of the problems that money is measurement backed by murder, which has become electronic frauds backed by atomic bombs. Those problems demonstrate the degree to which the set of solutions to chronic political problems developed by the social pyramid systems of Neolithic Civilizations have become runaway criminal insanities, that automatically are becoming more psychotic every day. Any apparent Russian resistance to the international banksters does not resolve those deeper problems! That is especially the case because the ONLY genuinely realistic solutions to the real problems would require developing radically different death control systems, to back up radically different debt control systems.
Of course, it is painfully obvious that developing better death control systems appears to be politically impossible. Therefore, it continues to look like the default result will be death insanities. Since there is almost nothing now which is publicly significant than a core of organized crime, surrounded by layers of controlled opposition, both of which are operated by the best available professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, for a technologically based society to go through sufficient intellectual scientific revolutions, in order that it could survive developing weapons of mass destruction, appears politically impossible.
There must be death control systems, and there are. However, the existing systems operate through the maximum possible deceits and treacheries. Given that social situation, developing any better integrated human, industrial and natural ecologies continues to be politically impossible, while to continue to strip-mine the planet as fast as possible, using "money" made out of nothing as debts to "pay" for that is automatically running on autopilot.
Theoretically speaking, the biggest and best organized gangs of criminals should negotiate better death controls. However, since that appears to be politically impossible, continuing to rush towards causing death insanities to spiral out of control seems certain. At the present time, it looks like a quite irrational hope that political science could be revolutionized enough, in order to evolve sociopolitical systems that could survive technologies becoming trillions of times more powerful and capable than ever before in human history. Although it may well be theoretically possible, the essential problem is how to develop better murder systems, to back up better money systems, which are the most taboo topics.
Right now, we are stuck inside of debt slavery systems, backed by wars based on deceits, controlling civilization with fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems, that continue to maximize the strip-mining of the planet's natural resources, in ways where everyone is going to finally lose, rather than anyone win in the longer term, although, in the short to medium term, the biggest and best organized criminals continue to appear to benefit from their crimes. However, in my view, the days of social successfulness based upon old-fashioned forms of being able to back up lies with violence, in order that those systems of organized lies could operate robberies, are headed towards severe social storms and psychotic breakdowns. Yet still, at the same time, all of the established systems are dominated by the best professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, who continue to be mostly able to present what they are doing in the most absurdly backward ways possible, compared to what they are actually doing.
Those INTENSE PARADOXES, due to civilization being controlled by the principles and methods of organized crime, which almost totally get away with publicly misrepresenting themselves, continue becoming more and more INTENSE, since those kinds of social successfulness, based on being the biggest and best organized gangs of criminals, has resulted in civilization as a whole becoming forms of runaway criminal insanities, as demonstrated by the degree to which the conclusion to the article above was probably CORRECT!
If you wish to communicate something useful, it might be to your advantage to be brief and to the point rather than write a book in comments. Your commentary is longer than the article you comment on.
The Reader's Digest abridged version: We're All Doomed!!!
Seriously though, it's not like anyone's forcing you to read it, unless you find the effort to scroll past too taxing. I for one like RM's diatribes. What they lack in brevity they make up for in substance, which is more than I can say for most of what I read here.
Thanks, ebear.
As you stated:
nobody is forced to read it.
The ebear has grown up a little in the last year as it was making Victor999-esque comments back then. I distinctly remember taking ebear (and a few others LOL!) to task. I too have learned a great deal. Thanks Rad!
Victor999, it is hard to present any better edited verions, when there could barely be anything "useful" in communicating the deeper reasons for why it looks like "We're All Doomed!!!"
While there are lots of people who use better understanding of the markets to be able to take positions that could benefit them in the short-term from understanding the degree to which those markets are ridiculously rigged, the FACTS that the markets operate through fundamentally fraudulent accounting systems continue to drive civilization crazy! (Taking personal advantage from understanding that may indeed be better than being taken advantage of due to not understanding that, however, those systems continue to overall get worse, faster, for everyone, eventually including even those who may temporarily be more socially successful within those systems.)
While it surely IS a myth to regard Russia as a threat, it is NOT a myth that the human species has become its own worst enemy! Those INTENSE PARADOXES are due to that Neolithic style civilizations operating through pyramid systems based on being able to back up lies with violence, becoming amplified to astronomical sizes by progress in physical science enabling technologies which have become trillions of time more powerful.
Given the degree to which the established systems are doing that, I merely amuse myself by attempting to articulate my understanding of those problems, as well as speculate upon some theoretically possible ways to solve those problems. However, more objectively speaking, it appears that I am wasting my time to bother to do that. Rather, the most probable conclusion that summarizes the final results of operating globalized electronic frauds, backed by the force of atomic bombs, is that "We're All Doomed!!!"
It would take series of technological miracles, surpassed by political miracles, for the currently dominant kind of civilization to not destroy itself. I have written at the length it takes to set up those INTENSE PARADOXES that excessive successes based on governments enforcing frauds by privately controlled banks are basically systems of organized crime, manifesting as runaway criminal insanities.
In my comment above I developed enough of the overall perspective that I felt was necessary to place "The Myth Of A Russian Threat" inside of the overall context that Neolithic Civilization is the worst threat to itself, which BIG PROBLEM merely has more wrinkles added into that overall situation due to the conflicts arising from the international banksters attempting to consolidate their global hegemony over the world's "money" supply, and thus, their control over the world's natural resources, such as demonstrated by the history of their conflicts with Russia.
Nothing but Russian propaganda....
Surly you guys that are the old, real Zero hedgers can see right thru it...
This blog sould go bak to a trading blog and get rid of the russian trolls.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Muritards live in fcuking swarm of lies. Having useful idiots like shows why Washington spends more than 750 million on its PR propaganda rag. Live in your alternate woeld koolaider.
You're a disgusting little russian ultra-nationalist troll peddling Putin regime bullshit and falsehoods with every dopey comment you fabricate.
Cocksucking scum like you know nothing about the real world. Go upstairs, sonny, Mommy has milk and cookies for you.
Thank you for the up votes.....
This russian propaganda has to stop so we can get bak to trading......
Am really sick of the russian putin cocksukers taking over the site.....
Russia has very little to do with the markets.....
just another 3rd worold country.....
With a bunch of trolls that think they can influence the world...................
Russian trolls-- get lost and go bac k to siberia where you belong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At this time, you are losing 3 - 13 and 3-8. Just to set the record straight.
Yeah, correct, but Tyler wants these Russian trolls in here for some reason apparently, he keeps inviting them to stick around with posts like this. It works for him on some level. Well maybe on the level of debunking their lies and crap it works, plus outing them.
Go crawl back into your 8x40 , Jethro and brush your tooth.
LOL
Escobar is a duplicitous fuckwit, in flat-out knowing denial of the material realities observed, right accross and around the flanks of Europe's borders.
Hey Pepe, go to Kiev, Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, and spread your propaganda crap in public there, you'll be lucky to get out alive, shithead.
And just look at the source he writes for! SputnikNews.com, a Russian propaganda site! And I see the turncoat mincing fruit-loop called Paul Craig Roberts is in there too. So why am I not the least bit surprised by that scoundrel being an apologist for Putin's ultra-nationalist regime as well? What a disgrace.
But what have the Russians actually been doing?
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And why is Russia seen that way? Well, Putin has invaded Georgia and now Crimea, is operating in Eastern Ukraine, and threatened the use of nuclear weapons, and sortied mobile nuclear forces on high alert.
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And what else has Russia been doing to directly threaten multiple European neighbors?
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And this:
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But according to Russia's propaganda writers, apologists, plus various western traitors, and sick little Russian troll morons, particularly on zero hedge, there's nothing at all happening, it's all just Western and NATO make-believe.
OK, except we have physical Russian actions, and Russia's actual words, making actual threats, against numerous NATO countries, and practicing to invade them, and not even being subtle about it, but deliberately as overt and aggressively as possible.
So they have employed these deranged PR scumbags like, Pepe Escobar, to attempt to pretend it all away for them, so it impinges less on the Russian economy and they are less diplomatically isolated, even as Putin continues down this same path of absurd lies, outright denial of what is being observed, while official threats are being issued, and actual invasion practice is occurring, and actual territorial conquest is also occurring, and a threat to use nuclear weapons has been issued, for anyone resisting and seeking to reverse their invasion(s) and occupation(s) and annexation(s), to date.
But we are expected to accept the bullshit stories of deranged disgusting morons like Escobar, that a 'Russian threat' to the West, and a direct threat to its closest neighbors is all a myth? ........... riiiiiight!
You Fucktard piece of $hit!
I'm thoroughly pleased you think so.
You are a shit for brains Americunt imbecile.
I think he claims to reside in Aus., but not likely his chosen nationality.
Born and raised Australian, 6th generation, have the genealogy to prove it, English and German origins with minor Scottish and Irish as well, and have travelled extensively for the first 35 years of my life.
while traveling, you always hit your head so hard therefore you are a full retard with age of 35
ba careful and take care of your head guys, or you face the same retardness like this guy
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HistoryMight you be a descendent of Abel Magwitch? You have his savoir faire.
You are a shit for brains Americunt imbecile.
Element.
I had no idea. You have a dash of newsoutlet fluttering about you.
Those long pointless cut and pasties that define both you a newsoutlet. Keep it up and one day you'll be calling Josh Ernest "Boss."
Wait a minute. Here's a cut a paste that fits right into the vacuum of your brain:
You know BTS, if you're going to train these pootie trolls for him, you really need to stress-test them a bit before you let them out on to the internet. ;-D
And a poor attempt at deflection with the newsoutlet smear old chap.
Enjoy the RT swill too.
Element is a proxy account for the braindead Newsoutlet-who probably did WAY too many drugs in college-or was dropped on his/her head as an infant
If you're disgusted with the way Russia has been behaving then you're right to feel let down. I personally apologize if my posting of the known facts has disturbed you, or that it pisses all over the pet propaganda narratives you were programmed with, but focus on voting of a better pootie next time.
kiss kiss :D
is that an argument? Element wrote this:
"OK, except we have physical Russian actions, and Russia's actual words, making actual threats, against numerous NATO countries, and practicing to invade them, and not even being subtle about it, but deliberately as overt and aggressively as possible."
the old way of calling this kind of actions is "rattling the sword"
is the Bear rattling his sword? yes
did Russia take over Crimea? yes
is Russia playing the old Great Game, extending it's influence with various means over something that cannot be called anything else then a hegemonistic empire? yes
call a spade a spade
Spot on Ghordie.
I can face it, I can also face the nature of the West's corruption, no problem at all, without losing my mind, perspective or sense of what matters too.
But can a Russian face the nature of Vladimir Putin and the current Russian state?
But I am suppose to betray the west or something because pootie would be s much better, or as one put it too me, the West must be challenged by a strong bunch of Russian thugs, and I should therefore support Putin.
Dream the fuck on!
I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING ANY OF THESE SCUM - NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM - EVER!
And anyone who thinks it is a good idea to chose one side over another is an too dumb for words. I support humans being humans and making their own choices and not supporting SCUM to have destructive power over us, of every form, because that is all you will get.
Power is a necessary evil, but the less there is to corrupt, or to cause wars and fear and greed, the better for everyone who is just being the humans they are.
Not interested in this bullshit, but I refuse to have scum lie to me about what is going on and trying to derail all public discourse. Do that and you are my enemy, I regard human beings minds to be sacrosanct and not a plaything for cunt like Putin, or Obama, or anyone else, to pollute minds with deliberate lies and the faux public debates that result.
I would support a Russian human, as much an American human, or Chinese human, or Australian human, I see none as better than the other, but I will never support the SCUM that want to destroy human minds and thinking with concerted lies and deception to create pain, loss confusion, and misery.
And I will kick your arse until the day I die on that one.
The people who support the people who do that for ANY scumbag politician or banker or police state leaded, you are my enemy, and the only enemy I will ever have, no matter what country you are in.
Ding ding ding!
We have a winner, you MUST CHOOSE which lies to support. You cannot CHOOSE to call both sides liars and frauds, this is completely unacceptable!...lol.
Off to work, for myself ;-)
Thanks Element. The perpetual Red and Blue team volleys are wearing thin on me. I think some are inherently tribalistic and so consumed by fear they must embrace some ideology or group for some semblance of safety. Pointing out the evil in all is just too disquieting. In that case, you are only left with yourself. Self definition and authenticity is so rare today. Why do we cling so desperately?
Thanks for the counter argument, as usual.
Miffed;-)
Here's a spade for you G.
A half a million or more dead in Iraq and Syria.
Or do you pretend that the US was not as active in the Syrian revolution as it was in the Ukrainian one? It would be pretty retarded if you do.
No revolution in Iraq. Just an invasion based on lies.
You don't approve of Russia in Georgia and Crimea? I wonder if the lies the West told Moscow about NATO not moving East have anything to do with that?
"And practicing to invade them."
Element at his most florid.
All Roads lead to Tel Aviv annd the ZioNazis. Israel controls the USA not vice versa. They are behind ISIS and all false flag attacs demonizing Muslims.
Their goal? World domination for the stupid Goyim being their servants. Notice that most Americans support them.
Well. You have been whipped by the Jews again. Whose fault is it that you were too stupid to stop them?
How can you stop a monolith that controls all media and banking?
You and ELEMENT are 2 fucktards.
Piss off, asswipe
Let me get this right, we've been here a combined almost ten years of activity on zh, and you have been here 1 week and 3 days ... but we should "piss off" for a little putin bum-monkey like you, huh?
Dream on punk.
Wipe off that kike kum dribbling down your chin, asswipe.
Hey faggot boy, get your tongue out of my asshole
I'll leave you with your deep thoughts.
Stop them? It is easy.
Don't want to be controlled by bankers? Don't borrow from bankers.
They are buying government? Smaller government is the answer. Reduce the power of government if you want to reduce the power of the government buyers.
As I said. They have outsmarted you. Again.
Girls, pls keep the talk civilized and on the topics... it's not a 4-letter word contest, unless you want to be degraded to "for entertainment purposes only". Now carry on.
“A new Reichsbank law, which was promulgated on June 15, 1939, made the bank “UNCONDITIONALLY SUBORDINATED TO THE SOVEREIGNTY OF THE STATE.” Article 3 of the law decreed that the bank should be “directed and managed according to the instructions and under the supervision of the Fuehrer and Reich Chancellor.”
http://yournewswire.com/putin-to-nationalise-rothschild-central-bank/#st...
Islam has been at war with the goyim and each other for 1400 years. It was their ambition to take Europe. They failed about 400 years ago at the Gates of Vienna. Now they are at it again. And the Europeans don't like it.
The Jews are holding them at bay in the heart of their territory. The Jews are the enemy according to you.
It is the Religion of Peace say its apologists. Do they ever have you conned. Or paid.
"British school kids as young as three-years-old were taught that non-Jews are “evil” at a school in North London it has emerged.
A whistleblower at the Beis Rochel boys school revealed that kids aged between three and four years old were given a worksheet to complete, which used terms such as “goyim” (a term for non-Jews that many find offensive).
"One of the questions given to the kids asked “What did the goyim want to do with all the Jews?”, to which the correct answer was highlighted as: “Kill them”."
"A spokesperson for Beis Rochel said that the worksheets would be amended and apologised for any offence."
http://yournewswire.com/london-school-shocker-kids-taught-non-jews-are-e...
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/50874113#p50874113
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/threeyearold-...
"It's not uncommon to be taught non-Jewish people are evil in ultra-Orthodox Jewish schools. It is part of the prayers, teaching, their whole ethos,” she said.
I congratulate Russians for maintaining cool
Inspite of all that
Its a MAD world
ruled by Syphilis destroyed insane people
like cabalA$$LickerHomObamma
The Russian people increasingly hate the USA and their lies. Putin is moderate. Some Russians want somone much tougher who wuld have smashed KIEV long ago.
Yeah, there it is, in your own words you confirmed what I wrote above.
The reason why he is 'moderate' as you falsely claim is because he's DETERRED by fear of what a mess he has made and that we are not conned by his bullshit stories and fantasies.
Mess he made?
Its the goddam bastars like McCain and Nuland and NATO who are the aggressors
Take a look at the Useless Snakes? Talk about a mess.
ROFLMAO.
Get lost, LOSER!!!!!
Your own words confirmed that Russia is an aggressive threat to its neighbours.
You admitted it! Look above!
Just hilarious! ... Pooties troll school is pumping out some pretty dodgy crap product, it seems. I thought max steel was the biggest troll FAIL they had produced and set on zh, but you just took the crown kiddo. LOL :D
dude, that was stupid.
Is there some part of that, which your brain can't grasp as a Russian threat to its neighbors? You know, the ones they invaded, stole their navy, stole their air force, stole Crimea, threatened them with a nuclear attack, and then invaded eastern Ukraine proper.
Is there some aspect of that which escapes your definition of a direct military threat of strategic scale against a neighbor country?
If you have literally no capacity to respond materially on topic, or are habitually dishonest and incapable of being honest, about known verifiable facts, then just shut the fuck up.
Is that too much for you to process in one sitting Humphrey?
lol!
:D
I'm glad you liked that.
Vodka eye openers for everybody.