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Russian Military Forces Arrive In Syria, Set Forward Operating Base Near Damascus
While military direct intervention by US, Turkish, and Gulf forces over Syrian soil escalates with every passing day, even as Islamic State forces capture increasingly more sovereign territory, in the central part of the country, the Nusra Front dominant in the northwestern region province of Idlib and the official "rebel" forces in close proximity to Damascus, the biggest question on everyone's lips has been one: would Putin abandon his protege, Syria's president Assad, to western "liberators" in the process ceding control over Syrian territory which for years had been a Russian national interest as it prevented the passage of regional pipelines from Qatar and Saudi Arabia into Europe, in the process eliminating Gazprom's - and Russia's - influence over the continent.
As recently as a month ago, the surprising answer appeared to be an unexpected "yes", as we described in detail in "The End Draws Near For Syria's Assad As Putin's Patience "Wears Thin." Which would make no sense: why would Putin abdicate a carefully cultivated relationship, one which served both sides (Russia exported weapons, provides military support, and in exchange got a right of first and only refusal on any traversing pipelines through Syria) for years, just to take a gamble on an unknown future when the only aggressor was a jihadist spinoff which had been created as byproduct of US intervention in the region with the specific intention of achieving precisely this outcome: overthrowing Assad (see "Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad").
As it turns out, it may all have been just a ruse. Because as Ynet reports, not only has Putin not turned his back on Assad, or Syria, but the Russian reinforcements are well on their way. Reinforcements for what? Why to fight the evil Islamic jihadists from ISIS of course, the same artificially created group of bogeyman that the US, Turkey, and Saudis are all all fighting. In fact, this may be the first world war in which everyone is "fighting" an opponent that everyone knows is a proxy for something else.
According to Ynet, Russian fighter pilots are expected to begin arriving in Syria in the coming days, and will fly their Russian air force fighter jets and attack helicopters against ISIS and rebel-aligned targets within the failing state.
And just like the US and Turkish air forces are supposedly in the region to "eradicate the ISIS threat", there can't be any possible complaints that Russia has also decided to take its fight to the jihadists - even if it is doing so from the territory of what the real goal of US and Turkish intervention is - Syria. After all, it is a free for all against ISIS, right?
From Ynet:
According to Western diplomats, a Russian expeditionary force has already arrived in Syria and set up camp in an Assad-controlled airbase. The base is said to be in area surrounding Damascus, and will serve, for all intents and purposes, as a Russian forward operating base.
In the coming weeks thousands of Russian military personnel are set to touch down in Syria, including advisors, instructors, logistics personnel, technical personnel, members of the aerial protection division, and the pilots who will operate the aircraft.
The Israeli outlet needless adds that while the current makeup of the Russian expeditionary force is still unknown, "there is no doubt that Russian pilots flying combat missions in Syrian skies will definitely change the existing dynamics in the Middle East."
Why certainly: because in one move Putin, who until this moment had been curiously non-commital over Syria's various internal and exteranl wars, just made the one move the puts everyone else in check: with Russian forces in Damascus implicitly supporting and guarding Assad, the western plan instantly falls apart.
It gets better: if what Ynet reports is accurate, Iran's brief tenure as Obama's BFF in the middle east is about to expire:
Western diplomatic sources recently reported that a series of negotiations had been held between the Russians and the Iranians, mainly focusing on ISIS and the threat it poses to the Assad regime. The infamous Iranian Quds Force commander Major General Qasem Soleimani recently visited Moscow in the framework of these talks. As a result the Russians and the Iranians reached a strategic decision: Make any effort necessary to preserve Assad's seat of power, so that Syria may act as a barrier, and prevent the spread of ISIS and Islamist backed militias into the former Soviet Islamic republics.
See: the red herring that is ISIS can be used just as effectively for defensive purposes as for offensive ones. And since the US can't possibly admit the whole situation is one made up farce, it is quite possible that the world will witness its first regional war when everyone is fighting a dummy, proxy enemy which doesn't really exist, when in reality everyone is fighting everyone else!
That said, we look forward to Obama explaining the American people how the US is collaborating with the one mid-east entity that is supporting not only Syria, but now is explicitly backing Putin as well.
It gets better: Ynet adds that "Western diplomatic sources have emphasized that the Obama administration is fully aware of the Russian intent to intervene directly in Syria, but has yet to issue any reaction... The Iranians and the Russians- with the US well aware- have begun the struggle to reequip the Syrian army, which has been left in tatters by the civil war. They intend not only to train Assad's army, but to also equip it. During the entire duration of the civil war, the Russians have consistently sent a weapons supply ship to the Russian held port of Tartus in Syria on a weekly basis. The ships would bring missiles, replacement parts, and different types of ammunition for the Syrian army."
Finally, it appears not only the US military-industrial complex is set to profit from the upcoming war: Russian dockbuilders will also be rewarded:
Arab media outlets have recently published reports that Syria and Russia were looking for an additional port on the Syrian coast, which will serve the Russians in their mission to hasten the pace of the Syrian rearmament.
If all of the above is correct, the situation in the middle-east is set to escalate very rapidly over the next few months, and is likely set to return to the face-off last seen in the summer of 2013 when the US and Russian navies were within earshot of each other, just off the coast of Syria, and only a last minute bungled intervention by Kerry avoided the escalation into all out war. Let's hope Kerry has it in him to make the same mistake twice.
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Also, support for the Druze, doesn't mean they are supporting ISIS/ISL and Oren didn't say anything but talking about the Druze.
Ya'alon said that Israel has given medical aid to over a thousand Syrian rebels. You make it sound like Israel was treating Druze casualties when they were not. Oren did not mention the Druze at all, he said: "the lesser evil is the Sunnis over the Shias."This corresponds with Israel's support for the Sunni rebels against Assad and his Shiite allies.
There is zero evidence that Israel is providing anything other than medical treatment to the wounded who show up at the border. Again, it would be the height of wanton neglect if the Israeli gov't wasn't attempting to collect intelligence from whoever is fighting. Turkey has been supporting ISIS until they weren't (Biggest open secret), and Turkey is hardly a friend to Israel.
At the beginning of the Syrian civil war there were dozens of groups, some were actually pro western, secular (relative), who were fighting against a brutal monstrous Assad regime. The Obama regime wasn't interested in supporting those groups who were known and quantifiable circa 2011. Once the Jihadist groups snuffed out those groups and began to get traction against Assad, the arrogant but clueless McCain crowd and whoever in the Obama Regime decided to get involved, years later, and thought they could "vet" these individuals within a much smaller universe of groups/fighters that were now overwhelmingly Jihadist in orientation. As an aside, the Obama Regime recently admitted in Congressional hearings that after four years, the US policy of training Iraqis could only claim literal dozens successfully trained (Vetted is what they're actually saying). It is an unbelievable FUBAR, yet Empires rarely heed reality and adjust accordingly.
While Syria serves as a Iranian conduit to Hezzbullah, ISIS/ISL/Sunni Jihadist isn't worth the risk to Israel's national security interest. Remember Syria was a predominately Sunni society, ruled by the minority Alawites. Assad's gov't can be held responsible should Israel desire to regarding Hezzbullah. ISIS/ISL/Al Nusra/Al Queda controlling Syria isn't a positive for Israel in any respect. Yes, I know ISIS and Hezzbullah aren't on friendly terms, but those internecine conflicts aren't adding to Israelis security interests any more than Hamas/PLO infighting save them from thousands of rockets/mortars.
Bottom line, there is no strategic positive for Israel should the Sunni Jihadists master the declared caliphate within Syria/Iraq.
Bottom line, there is no strategic positive for Israel should the Sunni Jihadists master the declared caliphate within Syria/Iraq.
Tell us why you have a better understanding of Israel's position than erstwhile Ambassador Oren who claims the exact opposite of your statement.
Israel's Former Ambassador: Militant Shias Are More Dangerous Than Sunnis
Michael Oren made the provocative claim that "the lesser evil is the Sunnis over the Shias," while insisting that the U.S. should never ally with Iran, even against Sunni terrorists.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/06/israels-former-...
Billy, this weighing of who in the Israel point of view is offering the most danger defines Israeli diplomatic/security policy since 1948. Nassar versus Assad versus Saddam Hussein verus Arafat vesus the Saudis, on and on. Iran has a powerful proxy in Lebanon (Who control Lebanon's gov't) which was formerly held hostage by the PLO and their 19 year civil war. Israel will have to kill thousands of UN troops protecting Hezzbullah if it actually was to prosecute a war of annihilation against Hezzbullah. It obviously can't do that. Since the Persians have now been guaranteed a safe haven to become a nuclear power, what happens is beyond anyone's crystal ball. The Shites (The Ayatollahs) believe in their Hidden Imam, the apocalyptic fulfillment of prophecy, that has been twisted as meaning destroying Israel and also in the attempt Iran, bringing forth their Kingdom of God on Earth.
Billy, the fact the Shites of the Iranian gov't is now considered Israel's most dangerous challenge doesn't mean that the Israelis are bargaining with Sunni Jihadists of Al Nusra or that it could in any rational analysis be in Israel's interests. And that is my only real point this evening. Assad and his gov'ts control of its very advanced chemical weapons program is far safer with Assad's gov't than ISIS (Sunni Jihadists).
Are you familiar with the declassified DIA report which says that the Syrian rebels are not moderates at all but are Al Qaeda/Al Nusra/ISIS? The report also states that ISIS has been funded by "the West, the Gulf States and Turkey" for the specific purpose of creating an Islamic State in Syria. This is just as irrational as Israel aiding radical Sunni forces battling Assad but both are true. There's a game being played but it's not the game you think it is. The Israeli government is no more interested in the lives of individual Jewish people than the American government is interested in the lives of individual American citizens.
Oh I do indeed believe that the US Gov't Now is providing support to 'fighters' that are in fact Jihadists, but not for the reason that so many here believe, but that the US Gov'ts ability to even field Arabic linguists is pathetically small; not to mention fluent in Arabic with intelligence training and regional expertise. The US Gov't is being punked out, rolled, and bitch slapped due to a Gov't that is so filled with hubris of Empire, that its bureaucracy within the intelligence community couldn't be honest about the ground situation anymore than the US State Department bureaucracy couldn't be honest about a Secretary of State openly committing felonies regarding protection of Special Compartmented Information (SCI) or the reasons why the Benghazi Consulate attack occurred.
Maybe youre right about gov'ts not caring about their people, American or Israeli. Certainly, if I believe that Int'l Jewry control most of the Western World, they certainly in words and deeds Do Not defend Israel much, and more often than not are the Israelis biggest critics and provide a large measure of cover for Israel's most vociferous critics.
The US has been supporting militant Islamists since at least 1979. I clearly remember the pictures and stories about the god fearing mountain men with two hundred year old flintlocks battling the evil USSR in Afghanistan. I'd love to see a family tree that stretches from the mujaheddin to Osama bin Laden to Al Qaeda to ISIS with all the intelligence agency godfathers and godmothers noted in the margins.
I'm calling it a night with no hard feelings I hope.
Billy,
Realize yuou are agruing with Hasbara troll who only shows up when Joos are mentioned.
You wont hear a peep from this schmuck regarding the markets unless some blames a Joo.
I want to introduce to you Mossad who greets Gen. Vallely in N. Syria ..
https://youtu.be/LUYy2AJwb1s
When you see Gene (Chip) Tatum pop in via Skype, understand Tatum quit Pegasus when ordered to assassinate Ross Perot ..
You're a big boy. Look up Pegasus yourself ..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_E._Vallely
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Set
And we do wonder why it must be called -- ISIS? Read Blavatsky ..
Do you honestly want and need more? The big bald guy in the foreground is this guy:
Col. James Hanke – US Army Special Forces (Ret.) Former G2 Third Army, NATO Nuclear Weapons Commander, Attache to Israel, A-Team Leader Vietnam
https://youtu.be/jE2_qmlKFVU
And since this discussion is really about Russia (RF) .. This guy is in Putin's [Kitchen] cabinet:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/khrushchev/
Gee, why didn't you provide the link from vetersnstoday (Gordon Duffy) from a few months back claiming that the IDF dropped Neutron bombs on Yemen...at the behest of the Saudi government?
To get a feel of the psychology I highly recommend the Book of the Law, the central sacred text of Thelema.[4]
Thumbs down on this specific (Druze) point shows the lack of ability to factually debate, and is only because I've been designated as ZH's de facto Jooo.
What is the purpose of calling yourself names? I had no idea that you were Jewish and I've never used the spelling "Joooo." Would I be a better debater in your opinion if I pointed out that I was raised Caaaathilick?
I see no reason for such strange behavior other than as a diversionary tactic on your part. You can't explain why bombing Assad's army and aiding Assad's enemies is not part of an effort to topple Assad. Nor can you explain why Ambassador Oren said that Israel prefers Sunni terrorists to Shiites and so you pretend that I have insulted your Jewish heritage when obviously I have not done so.
Hasbara 101
The Druze sold out to Israel in 1948. What a scuz lot they are.
"Eretz Israel", dumbass. Don't play coy.
ISIS will shit in their pants now that someone will 'actually' be targeting them.... what will McCain's bum boys do then??? Run to attack Saudi.... can't see Russia defending Saudi.... haha ... perfect...
Expect OIL to goto $10 a barrel or maybe expect damascus to turn into a waste land or something.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/07/putins-opportunity-to-bust-the-u...
Hillary's Syria classified emails to hit the Internet.
Get some Newcastle Brown Ale for WW3.
I prefer Shiner Bock ..
In ~30 minutes, I'm going to officially celebrate the Texas Gold Vault ..
The port in Syria is vital for Russia. Mr Putin surely understands that.
Syria was slated to undergo what Libya and Iraq did, destabilization. This was the primary aim of the Jewish lobby and so the government of the USA, the slave of the Jewish lobby, went ahead and trained and armed ISIS to overthrow Assad. Who is an ophthalmologist. He and his lovely wife and children are WHITE people. They celebrate CHRISTMAS!
The lemmings may be fooled, if they even are watching or reading anything about it, which I doubt, but not informed observers who read media that are not owned by the 5th column in this nation of America.
As of June 2003 Israel has cost the US taxpayers over $3 Trillion. Probably double that by now.
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/june2003/0306020.html
Obama reveals compensation to Israel over Iran nuclear deal
August 22, 2015
As of June 2003 Israel has cost the US taxpayers over $3 Trillion. Probably double that by now.
Ludicious in the extreme. There is a mountain of evidence putting the figure at 100 billion. counting zeroes ain't for Dummies
What about Arabia? How much do you suppose Iran & Syria has "cost" the Russians so far?
I don't know. Iran was a US client state until 1979. Egypt was a Soviet client state until circa 1974. Syria has been a Soviet/Russian client state forever.
Point being, they count it as a part of doing business...
Sure, geostrategic politics of the superpowers.
Mossad tool ..
Debunk this genius. Every bit of it ..
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/23/mapping-fort-lee-the-truth-behin...
No dancing ISIS here ..
And just so you know who you really are ..
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/08/proposed-declaration-of-war-agai...
I think it is time for you to recuse yourself .. (if you know what is good for ya)
All that newly found NG is just of the coast too...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_gas_field
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/gas-field-discovered-coast-egypt-1...
Magog will be utterly laid to waste. It's a done deal.
If you want to commit suicide go right ahead, but leave us out of it.
magog/ russia hasnt joined in to attack israel yet so no... speaking of which for them to even think of attacking israel means USA is out of the way...
Ignorant post.
but typical of terrible wrong teachings, hal lindsey and other who tell the lazy what to believe
Look ancient maps can find gog/magog It is not Russia that lie is recent history fabrication
Gen 10;2-5 identify the family
Volkadav - What I read of Ezekial 38 and current nations is Russia supports attack on Israel. From a pure secular perspective this is Russian consolidation of energy resources in the ME. A strategy similar to Sun Tzu Art of War rule #1 which is divide allies.
At one point despite our flaws, we had moral high ground compared to the Soviet Duma. No longer. We learned little from the Soviet corruption.
It was near guaranteed friend we had to arrive here in evolution. However, let me say a potential alliance of great intellect was squandered where we.could have finished the job of ending classic death together. The Chinese have merchant strengths of distribution but not creativity (which they no doubt can relearn). However they have less class and honor than the Russian people right now.
I just say this: Forgive us ALL Father for we know not what we do.
See you Russians on the other side for our final mutual push toward the end of our evolution. There is going to have to be a real period of forgiveness for what is coming. We are all going to weep for awhile all over earth.
Russia is not corrupt? Is not run by oligarchs? Really?
Murika always needs to feel better about itself looking down it's hooknose on others not nearly as perfect and as holy as she is - Two terms of Bush and Obama notwithstanding
Muh feelings
So, if Putin fights the US backed / armed & trained ISIL / ISIS forces, is that an act of war against the USA?
If so, how does Obama protect his Isil forces, without letting the world know they are his black op soldiers?
I'll take a wild shot in the dark here, and say that Russia will be blamed for a bombing event in Israel, and that will give the USA a reason to rush into another undeclared war / military action.
Yes, it's an act of war. They are killing our boys in the CIA Al Quada/ISIS Division - our best troops. But not to worry-as soon as the opium Harvest in Afghanistan is completed, we will send a Division of our best Al Quada toops to Syria to help out.
soory dubble post.
Whatever collateral damage occurs will be counted as "moderate" rebels, the US will never admit to any of ther false flags. The command heirarchy is fossilized, and dogmatic. Any explanation at all will be only for media consumption, and as usual we can count on it to be the opposite of what really happemed.
The last thing Obama cares about are the deaths/losses themselves. It's a mercenary army. You just put up a want-ad if you need more warm bodies.
It will be interesting to watch them squirm, but it'll hardly be the first time they've been caught red-handed in a coup attempt.
US and Russia working together in peace and harmony -ain't it beautiful. Putin saw that we were having zero success against ISIS - yes it seemed that despite all our efforts, ISIS was getting stronger. Putin had pity on us -he personally anguished over the embarassment and humiliation we were suffering at the hands of ISIS - what a friend. What a Champ. God Bless Putin. The Jews can sleep well tonight. ISIS will no longer constitute an existential threat to their existence. Putin the Great and his staunch allies in Iran will save them from this demonic foe.
Yeah ISIS has those special white Toyota pickups from Sam Goldberg's Toyota dealership in Langley, Virginia. Sam throws on the special radar deflecting and rust proofing undercoating for an extra $45,000 a truck and they throw in a set of floor matts plus a John McCain key ring.
Sam has the best deals on Toyota's in the whole of the MidAtlantic states and the Beltway.
I would love to see a Russian Su-25 (Frogfoot) and Mi-24/35 Hind helicopter chew up some of those new See Eye Aye ISIS white Toyota pickups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-25
The FrogFoot is the Russians version of the A-10 and a tough little bastard.
toyota mincemeat
I don't know; those things are pretty tough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_OtbXmu9kg (0:32 meteor commercial)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXteagHS0Ic
Hmmmm, what happened to NASA's 'magic carpet' booster program?
Arto Lauri 131.von Braun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNcMLm-o-yQ
This is a smart move by Putin. A win by ISIS in Syria would embolden the CIA/MIC to do exactly what Russia fears the most, expand ISIS into the soft underbelly of Russia. The US/EU fascists are hemming him in in Poland, Bulgaria, Ukraine, they never stop. How far do they think they can go with this?
There has been a lot of talk on the far-right-wing news boards about a 'winnable' nuclear war, and indeed a lot of the bullshit artists want you to believe that by using the 'Rods of God' every single Russian nuke would be blown out of it's silo before it could be fired. I don't believe it for a second and neither should anybody else.
This is a game of bullshit poker that nobody can win.
Dark - What is all this Rods of God bullshit lately? That is old tech now.
The USA cannot get to the Space Station. NASA has constant bat boy news releases about mars to keep funding up.
If the Rod of Gods exist then Russia can probably take it out.
Freddie - Sure such are launched from orbiting sattelites. As I said, old tech. Enough said.
IF, there was such a thing as rods of god, they would be easily detected. Coming down they would be on fire like a meteor landing -- everyone would see it. And they would certainly be on radar.
This is what happens when the population is science illiterate. Easily duped by nonsense tech. Anyone for 100 mph carburators, water cars or free tesla energy from the sky?
"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it."
-Mahatma Gandhi
http://libyasos.blogspot.com/2011/10/gaddafi-placed-97-billion-to-free.h...
Enjoy. A dead man's words.
Hillary cannot delete her forensic hard drive history.
Word has it she'll blame it all on her recent concussion......or if that fails, Bush. ;-)
Evening friend....
Hello war of Gog and Megog. Followed by a couple year break until WW3. Just because the Russian Federation is the willing instrument of chastisement to.awaken the world the hard way don't expect me to cheer them on.
Well ISIS days are number now. Those green men are not only green but invisible too.
This is not a war against Assad this is a war against Christianism and manhood.
*The traitors and the dual-citizens who rule US govt hate all of these.
This also sends a message to Porkoshenko in Kiev.... want some? better stick to the Minsk agreement or get an open faced knuckle sandwich....
Just as the Bible predicted.... now all we need is Nyetinyahoo to do something stupid.
Predicted?
No, written to inspire self-fulfillment by future generations of kikes.
Remember who wrote the fairytale. Jews.
If you write the book, of course you're going to make yourself more important than others. Hence "chosen" people.
The remainder of the fairytale was written by ancient jew moneychangers as a roadmap for the future kikes to enslave the world with their usury upon the goy.
Nothing is foretold and nothing is coincidence.
There is much much more to what I say but it is up to you to research and.....
Connect the dots.
ahhh you mixing up the books.... new testament are for the good guys... in that one describes what is happening now.... zios don't read that one...
When Damascus falls - the end is near.. try reading it.
Omega - True, Jews don't read the new testament, they read the Torah which is old testament or first five books of the bible written by Moses. However Christ stated the kingdom of the world belongs to all men. There are no real good guys and bad guys. Best to read the Bible in its entirety as a continuum. Then compare to modern physics. Then apply to geopolitics. The Jewish prophets point to Christ they just expected a physical ruler to save them, not an alien.
I didn't want to believe some things are true. As a statician I said no no no! I don't want to believe people could tune in to an alien frequency or Christ transformed into a being of light in front of his.apostles. How could Daniel predict 2,000 years of the Jews being trampled on by nations and reformed in 1948 as a nation?
The fallacy of organized religions is and used by governments is that we all have to pay (lots of taxes to build palaces and get classy blowjobs). The prophets and Christ stated classic death ends and we enter a new paradigm. Guess what? WE ARE doing it as we speak with science. Yesterday's metaphysics is todays quantum physics.
And ALL schools of eschatology are found wanting ..
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=michael+heiser+eschatology+
Satanyahoo at your service...
It will be amazing listen to President Vladimir Putin addressing the next UN Assembly.
The are chairman on the security council for September - nice timing.
if he gets the visa
Yeah but as per usual they'll cut the feed if he starts to make too much sense.
"If all the above is correct,"...Me thinks, ISIS, better get the heck out the way!
allies against ISIS...NOT
This won't end well.
Check!
It's now your move Zion. You can move your knight to war, or your bishop to massacre.
Zion is a scheme, not an ethnicity.
Not a true -- ethnicity ..
https://www.scribd.com/doc/123652605/Genome-Evolution-of-Jewish-Populati...
Putin is playing chess while Obama is playing tic-tac-toe.
Not according to the RUSSIAN economy which is shrinking like crazy. RUSSIA is fighting against unfair opponents. For Russia to win this, they need to create crises for the USA to deal with, right now its USA which is causing alot of headaches for RUSSIA and its ultimately playing a defense game, maybe this is an ultimate tactic like in boxing..let your oponent box you and get tired while you wait to lauch a counterattack...
Yes, and the USA ecomony is booming! And the US population is spending and there is no inflation in USA and USA doesnt have trillion deficit. Try living in the real world.
I am, and i didnt say USA was doing assume obviously you are reading what you want to read and ignoring my point. My point is russia is suffering more than the west.
it's very debatable whose economy is suffering more. Very. Your opinion is that Russian economy is because you are most liklely an american and you know nothing about Russia and you only know American propaganda. As a Eastern European I know much more abut Russia and I have experienced USA economy for 30 years so i know both economies. ANd looking at BOTH I I can honestly say it's the American economy that looks really really bad. You think Russia is depndent on gas and oil sales but thats only about 16%.
Time STOP swallowing American propaganda or you are gonna wake up a smoking piece of radioactive charcoal very very soon.
Since you are so knowlegable about russia, you must know that they have very little foreign reserves. If money gets much tighter they will have a full blown currencly crisis.
you know nothing about this subject.
media dumb you down much?
Homero - At incredible American cost Russia is surrounded. Great, they can't attempt to conquer the globe but instead will be Geronimo with nukes. The cost of containment has bankrupted us. YAY!!!! The chinks go where the money is. No more speculation. It is now bad for global health. We are one species, a bit adolescent still but also one.
John mack - Bigger thinker than some. Up voted.
Tiddlywinks.
http://www.zen60163.zen.co.uk/CUTwCWebContent/EdAndHarley.jpg
Obvious that Russia, China, and others don't give a flying fig about how Congress feels about the Iran deal....
hahahahhahahahahhahaha US is now irrelevant !! US dollar collapse imminent
One can only hope that the entire jewponzi scheme goes down in flames and takes zionist kikeistan with it.
Not likely cause them Joooos are Masters of the Universe. Haven't you heard?
All of a sudden ISIS will get the urge to take over Mecca - it's more holy. Especially since Russians are coming and Saudi can't even handle a few Houties.
A good read on nukes is 'The Fate Of The Earth' by Johathan Schell. You'll have a pretty dim outlook of the future afterwards, I guarantee it.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1347874/
That old "Useful Idiot" is still around? Some beach.
A better read might be Cresson H Kearny's Nuclear War Survival Skills, which has apparently been released as a pdf download for free.
Sorry Tarabel, no one's going to survive a nuclear war (MAYBE 1%).
Edit; looks like a paywall on the pdf.
http://www.madisoncountyema.com/nwss.pdf
i wouldn't worry too much about nukes... they can't make any money off that really
So now we know the real reason for the unprecedented 3 day pop in oil.
We all knew it was front-running, we just aren't sure of what...Saudi invasion of Yemen....Russian Hurt Locker in Syria...or????
To do list;
Gopher traps
dog food
Build a radiation proof bunker
The Navajos DID love them some roasted gopher.
On the flip side, a lot of 'em ended up getting the plague, though.
Triple edit: Nice jugs.
That old rascal Putin decided that biding his time about moves in Syria is over and is committing to fight "ISIS".
This will stymie Washington's plans in a number of ways, the foremost being that US led air attacks against "ISIS" better not be on Syrian territory for fear of 'friendly fire' incidents on Russian troops.
Putin and Assad might initiate a no fly zone in Syrian airspace that the US would have no right, legally or morally defensible, to cross.
This is a staring match that Obama doesn't have the stomach for and an outright confrontation with Russia will send him scurrying to Kerry to make a deal with Lavrov.
Game set and match.
Back to playing whack-a-mole in Iraq.
Again...
The U.S. can deploy 400 fighters into the Syrian Theatre in a month. Russia cannot. Israel adds 400 more, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, another 300.
U.S. missle technology can vaporize every available airfield in a day, denying Russia of a base of operations.
Please
Russia the fuck who?
Meanwhile,
back in the real world.
Israel did not do so well in 2006 in Lebanon against Hezbollah. They left in 30 days and took some serious tank losses. In fact, I think a lot of this ISIS/NUSRA shit is they are scared of how good Hezboollah did on the battle field. By the way - Hezbollah has been helping protect the Syrian people including Syrian Christians.
The Persians are pretty smart and touhh on the battle field if they had decent technology. They had Koprnet and Metis anti-tank missiles. I am not anti-American just anti-Bankster wars which all wars are bankster wars. I am anti-genocide being practiced on Iraqis and Syrians plus other people by the genocidal banksters, elites and zoligarchs.
I am anti elites killing American kids in midless war$$$$.
yeah, I watched an interview during the war with a hezbollah teenager soldier, he said blowing israeli tanks was like playing playstation...
Even though that's entirely true solarman, don't expect people in here to accept facts, they stopped paying attention to facts and quantitative proportions a very long time ago, or rather, never have. It seems most of them can't even use a spreadsheet for basic analysis. They do subscribe to any number propaganda themes though.
That is not completely true though . I don't expect half-ass retards like you either to accept the reality of situation. Propaganda themes the one US is beating 24x7 . Actually you stopped considering facts and kept pushing your crap .
You haven't heard of MagRav have you?
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Keshe_Foundation
That is what was demonstrated in the Black Sea ..
ah, there's one right now.
find it kind of intresting that wiki does not have any mention of this tech
Interesting that the USS Donald Cook, supposedly blatted by this technology, happily docked in Ukraine today for a NATO exercise.
Plus Turkey(NATO) don't forget...
Lots of bearded dudes will be finally send to meet their 72 virgins. The wait is nearly over.
remember USA funded the Majahideen in afganistan to take on the USSR and the USSR lost. So dont count your eggs yet.
Russia is not USSR, and Putin is not brezsnyev. This time the game is vastly different...Lets wait and see.
It's strange and pathetic, the way most commenters here copycat the flippant style of ZH. Instead of saying something of value, the conversation degrades into silly jokes: Everyone's trying to win the flippancy triple crown.
This is a striking example of conformity in action: And believe you me, dear commenters, that is what most of you are, conformists.
In the case of this article, such flippancy (starting with ZH itself), is uncalled for. If true, this Russian intervention is one of the most momentous points of the 21st century, full of risks and forebodings. Russia is not Iraq, nor is it Libya, nor Iran, nor even the UK and France. It's a country dead set on charting its own course, and not caving in to the Rothschilds and Rockefellers (that is, to our REAL government). These bankers are not used to such Huzpah, nor used to defiance, so they will escalate. The Russians will not back off this time, and then what?
It's beyond me: How can anyone joke about the possibility of WW3? Will that war involve the death of one billion children, or would it only entail the incineration of a mere 500,000,000?
the flippancy of ZH comments exists because they lack the ability to add anything of intellectual value to the conversations. So they typically spout off comments that make little to no sense or have nothing to do with the actual article. The question i want to know is will OIL go up or further crash...
Rockefeller, it sounds like you are a scared little pussy who has no knowledge of history.
All wars between east and west since WWII have been PROXY WARS. Both sides are nuclear armed and know they would be committing suicide by starting anything directly against each other. So they battle thru small allies and each side arms terrorists. It's a chess game, dangerous only to those in the actual field of battle.
This has been going on for 60+ years now. All the tough talk is mostly for public consumption. It's a shame you've been asleep thru all of that. Or perhaps you are 12 years old.
answer is both
Yea, and I hope Russia has the gonads to take down the kike rothchild/rockefeller criminal families and their "axis of fraud land" those criminal families carefully devised.
I for one hope they succeed and send death squads to your secret bunkers.
Death to the .0001% and their plans for world enslavement.
Someone really should have informed the jihad sand niggers who their real enemies are (rothschilds, rockefellers, Kissinger .et .al) So they can leave the westernized population alone and strike at the root of western evil. The entire world would be better off without people of this ilk. Let the sand niggers take out the communist army called NATO, the CFR the Tri-lateral commission etc etc ad nauseam.
The world would be a better place without self-appointed secret dictators that rule deceptively with only their best interests and self-enrichment in mind.
I wrote the book on non-conformity. I scoff in your general direction.
Time to put on my deeply concerned face?
Okay.
All better now?
How many children did I just save?
Go back to Sept 2013. Obola's handlers and puppetmasters like Soros aka Gryorgy Schwartz wanted to launch Tomahawk cruise missiles into Syria.
Putin lined up 6 Russian ships off the coast of Syria and said no. The whole mediterean became very crowded. China had a cruiser there too. The USA had at least 4 destroyers or missile frigates. There were MANY subs there too.
The word was someone launched 2 missiles and they were shot down. Some said it was an Israel sub or something closer to Cyprus then the USA shot those down. Others said the US Navy launched them and Russian shot them down.
The next (Saturday) morning, General McHenry the head of the Joint Cheifs was at The White House. And any ideas of Tomahawks into Syria quickly ended.
Does the US military brass have a backchannel to the Russians who said - this will be a big mistake?
The end result was Putin did NOT back down.
What might be the biggest fear of the Pentagram and their bosses at the defense contractors?
An exhibition on just how bad the USA overpriced weapons systems are. A lot of contracts would be quickly cancelled. People dead? No biggie. Defense contracts cancelled by "allied" countries would create panic.
"People dead? No biggie. Defense contracts cancelled by "allied" countries would create panic."
+100
I guess it's because we would rather live free than under zio rule....
isn't that on one of the state's license plates? Live free or die...
"It's beyond me: How can anyone joke about the possibility of WW3? Will that war involve the death of one billion children, or would it only entail the incineration of a mere 500,000,000?"
I see your point and it's a good one at that; however, people deal with staring complete annihilation in the face in different ways. Since we talk about dark issues all of the time eventually the humor grows dark, if this didn't happen there would be no humor to be had at all. I think most people here have fought to keep this from happening in one way or another for most of their lives and yet, here we are.
The "elites" like these rockefellers WANT population control on a massive scale. What more profitable and efficient means than secretly or covertly fomenting WW3.
Wait it out in the southern hemisphere where they can remain unscathed. (but hopefully not unhunted)
When I did my stint with a T.S. clearance the #1 thing I learned is believe NOTHING the elites and .gov officially said. IN fact, believe the exact opposite.
While they act benevolent, they do indeed loathe the unwashed masses, the useful idiots and useless eaters.
Don't want to seem flipant David, but look on the bright side, you still have 7 billion left.
(oh come on, that was funny ... btw, I totally agree with what you said)
David Rockefeller,
Putin gets ripped lifting weights, while Obama rips anal cavities.
David - Many here not thinking logistics. lets say the actual nuclear war and it lasts a matter of 2 days. what comes next is the total breakdown of the supply chain. Lets say I live up north near the mountains in a community of 28 homes.
statistically five of them are going to be armed versus one of me. after two weeks their food supplies are now gone. to provide for them all to make it through the winter and on to planting season I would need roughly 400 pounds of beans200 pounds of meat and fat content such as Crisco butter. then you actually have to make it through the spring season before planting and summer hunting and living off the land competing against thousands of other people in the woods armed and ready to kill you because they had no such preps. Bugs and leaves will be on the menu.
I am just getting warmed up I am NOT even discussing medication shortage fuel shortage lack of pure water in a short distance to the community etc.
Then you have inside leadership thinking that they will just live with in the bunkers for 2 years come out of them with a stock pile of gold and expect that everybody will be forgiving understanding and ready for them to be ruled once again. NUTS.
FYI, WW3/WW4 started in May of 2013 ..
https://youtu.be/vm7ObVSix7w
It is a joke, because this is all the folly of men. We could have paradise and instead we have this.
that moniker is kinda flippant yourself....
not very edifying...
Sand in your vagina?
People around the world have had to live with Anglo-American-Zionist exceptionalist bombs landing all around them for years. Now the shoe is on the other foot and you're crying?
Get this: we are joking about World War 3 because finally we have a superpower ready and able to stand up to Zion and its two Anglo poodles.
I'm taking entries in the "Guess How Many Goy Zion Can Kill In Syria" contest.
Write your answers on your entry, and when the crime against humanity in Syria is over, I'll check the answers.
The entrant closest to the actual number will get an all expense paid trip to Israel to see what a society built upon murder, genocide, and crimes against humanity looks like close up. The winner will even get to visit Zion's Gaza concentration camp.
Good luck.
Zion is a scheme, not an ethnicity.
Oy Veh!
Such a mesuganah.
Answer: Maybe more than they are already killing in Ukraine.
I sure was amazed how the Egyptian gov't forceably removed thousands of Gazans to create a "security" zone adjacent to the border post Hamas-Israel war of 2014. Hardly got mentioned in the world media complex.
lol right. Had nothing to do with Egyptian security. It was to curb smuggling into Gaza. And why would Egypt give zero fucks about that? It was an Israeli directive. Israel/Egyptian gov are joined at the hip policy-wise in case you hadn't noticed.
Cooperation or combustion?
The president might be talkin "climate change" in alaska, however thinkin "climate change" in syria.
"climate change", I can believe in
Hey, this might be fun. Vietnam in the desert.
Superpower props up corrupt, failing regime with no popular support while ideologically rabid guerrilla army backed by another superpower hammers on the gates of the capital.
And we got dibs on Charlie.
Russia better get busy building some aircraft carriers. They'll need some place to park all those helicopters fleeing the Embassy.
For those who watch the Book of Revelation, the King of the North is now on the field of play.
A poor example there, the Vietamese and their superpower backers did not need aircraft carriers to send the US scurrying back home.
Server goes buuurrrrp!!!!
I can see you know nothing about how the Vietnam War ended or else you would understand the reference better.
Didn't the Vietnam war end with the americans losing?
Helicopters on the embassy roof and all that sort of ending?
Exactly. As the NVA drew near Saigon, the American embassy and anybody else who could get their hands on a Huey flew helicopters filled with refugees out to American carriers off the coast.
The sailors then pushed those helicopters overboard to make room for the next load of helicopter-borne refugees. And then repeated the exercise again and again until no more Hueys came and the ships headed for home crammed with refugees and flight decks jammed full of the last batch of aircraft that made the trip.
Thus the need for Russia to hurry up and build some carriers so they'll have a place for their helicopter-borne evacuation of their embassy to go to.
This is exactly my point. Vietnam all over again. Only the superpowers have changed seats. It is now Russia's turn to try and prop up a loser regime that is destined to collapse regardless.
The Americans watched the French get wiped out in the First Vietnam War, then told them to step aside and watch how the big boys did it.
Now, after a decade and a half of watching American quagmire in the Middle East, Russia suddenly thinks it's going to swoop in and show us how it's done.
And they call these guys brilliant chessplayers. Ha! But I don't blame the Russian people any more than I blame the American people or the Syrian people or even the ordinary folks stuck behind ISIS lines. Satan has his claws into the leaders of every nation and they are doing his work even if they do not think they are. Let's get this over with so a new day can dawn.
Go Charlie. Go Charlie.
If Russia knows it is doing Satan's work then is Russia really doing Satan's work?
Satan doesn't have the control that some think. Humans are getting wise.
Satan doesn't have the control that some think...
But he is the most powerful created being in the world. One important fact to remember though is he didn't make the rules, he just has to abide by them. It may look like havoc, but the limit of death has been placed on him as well.
There is One that owns both the white and black pieces on the board. As mentioned above, I'd consider this latest report as Black Knight forks Whitish Queen and Rook.
jmo.
And the super carriers may be outdated like the battleships in WWII. I believe in a WWIII situation the carrier will be pretty much useless. Military's are always fighting the last war.
a few Sunburns with nuclear warheads could easily sink the unsinkable...
Russians are not nearly as dumb as Americans. They will not blindly vault into a conflict here. They will attempt to apply surgical strikes to the key ISIS positions that the Americans won't bomb. They can accomplish this with relatively few troops. Meanwhile the U.S. has thousands of troops tied down in the region. Checkers vs Chess.
Ah, the old checkers versus chess canard.
Russia is moving its own troops into Syria for the same reason that the US deployed to SVN-- dire necessity.
Without Russian troops in country (do make note of that phrase), Putin and his advisors have recognized that the jig is up for Assad. So the alternatives are to flush sixty years of investment down the drain or to deploy Russian troops to prop up the flailing, failing regime whose days are otherwise numbered.
The only chess reference I can think of to describe this scenario is one where the player only has one move available to him and therefore he makes it rather than simply resign the game. It is not some brilliant plan but rather the lash of cruel reality that drives this stupid proposal forward.
Russia is about to tangle with a ruthless and high morale force fully equipped with the best stuff (i.e. American) there is. Every "friend" that Russia has in Syria will play both sides of the street just like Vietnam. Simple matter of making sure that you are on the winning side, no matter who winds up with the olive wreath.
In ingenuity, in brutality, Russia can scarcely hope to equal their opponent, who also enjoys the luxury of knowing the theater of operations and having countless spies and fellow travellers in the creaking Assad regime. Veteran troops versus rookie draftees unfamiliar with the region.
When I read this article, one phrase crosses my mind: Tan Son Nhut. Going to be some major embarrassments coming Ivan's way, you watch.
Go Charlie. Go Charlie.