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Three US Citizens Sentenced For Conspiracy To Start A Revolution Using WMDs

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While the US has had a surge in violence over the past several years, its defining feature was the generally chaotic and uncoordinated nature of each such - usually lethal - act.

That changed over the weekend when the FBI announced three US citizens - Brian Cannon, 37, Terry Peace, 47, and Cory Williamson, 29, - were sentenced to 12 years in prison for "conspiring to use weapons of mass destruction in attacks against federal government agencies. The defendants planned to attack critical infrastructure while motivating militia groups in other states to rise up and join them in removing government officials who they believed had exceeded their Constitutional power."

Specifically, the three sentenced men "participated in Internet chat rooms frequented by militia members and others with a shared anti-government ideology. During the chat room conversations, Cannon, Peace and Williamson discussed starting a revolution against the federal government by conducting an attack aimed at the infrastructure supporting the Transportation Security Administration, the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Emergency Management Administration." The complaint further notes that "according to their conversations, their goals included forcibly removing government officials who the defendants believed acted beyond the scope of the U.S. Constitution."

And this is how the FBI summarized the bust...

“In this case, anti-government ideology and rhetoric morphed into dangerous extremism and led these defendants to arm themselves and travel to a meeting to pick up pipe bombs and other explosives intended for attacks,” said U.S. Attorney John Horn of the Northern District of Georgia. “The attacks planned by the defendants, while rare, posed a serious threat to not only the safety of our public servants, but also all other members of the community.”

... confirming yet again that when the NSA has to "get involved", it does so admirably.

Meanwhile, any aspiring revolutionaries may want to consider avoiding cell phone communication and certainly never discussing plans for the second American revolution on public chat rooms that can be hacked by even 10 year-old "North Korean" hackers, not to mention the most sophisticated electronic communication interception system ever created.

The full FBI complaint is below (link):

Men Sentenced for Conspiracy to Use Weapons of Mass Destruction

WASHINGTON—Brian Cannon, 37, Terry Peace, 47, and Cory Williamson, 29, have been sentenced for conspiring to use weapons of mass destruction in attacks against federal government agencies. The defendants planned to attack critical infrastructure while motivating militia groups in other states to rise up and join them in removing government officials who they believed had exceeded their Constitutional power.

“In this case, anti-government ideology and rhetoric morphed into dangerous extremism and led these defendants to arm themselves and travel to a meeting to pick up pipe bombs and other explosives intended for attacks,” said U.S. Attorney John Horn of the Northern District of Georgia. “The attacks planned by the defendants, while rare, posed a serious threat to not only the safety of our public servants, but also all other members of the community.”

“This case illustrates the FBI’s commitment in preventing attacks instead of responding to their aftermath,” said Special Agent in Charge J. Britt Johnson for the FBI’s Atlanta Field Office. “The convictions and now federal sentencing of these individuals on conspiracy charges again represents that the juries and courts understand this shift in the law enforcement mindset in dealing with individuals or groups that wish to bring harm to the public or those who serve the public.”

According to U.S. Attorney Horn, the charges and other information presented in court: In January and February 2014, Cannon, Peace and Williamson participated in Internet chat rooms frequented by militia members and others with a shared anti-government ideology. During the chat room conversations, Cannon, Peace and Williamson discussed starting a revolution against the federal government by conducting an attack aimed at the infrastructure supporting the Transportation Security Administration, the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Emergency Management Administration.

According to their conversations, their goals included forcibly removing government officials who the defendants believed acted beyond the scope of the U.S. Constitution. During one of the online conversations, Peace said that they would launch the attack between February 1, and Feb. 15, 2014. He encouraged the militia members to review guerilla warfare tactics, accumulate supplies and prepare their families. By Feb. 1, 2014, Cannon and Williamson had moved to Georgia and were living with Peace at his Rome, Georgia residence.

Cannon, Peace and Williamson targeted the infrastructure supporting their federal agency targets because they believed this would reduce the amount of unnecessary casualties and make it difficult for the government to respond to their attack. The men decided to launch the first attack in Georgia to prompt militia members in other states to begin attacks in their respective states.

Unbeknownst to the defendants, another participant in the chat rooms became alarmed at their plans, informed the FBI of the attack against the government, and agreed to assist in this investigation.

On Feb. 8, 2014, Peace asked the cooperating witness to provide twelve pipe bombs and two thermite devices for use in their attack. Peace said he wanted the pipe bombs designed for “maximum fragmentation” and thermite devices capable of penetrating the engine block of a military-grade armored vehicle. Peace, Cannon and Williamson then made plans to meet with the cooperating witness after the pipe bombs and thermite devices were constructed.

On Feb. 15, 2014, the defendants, armed with numerous firearms, drove from Peace’s residence to meet with the cooperating witness at a location in Cartersville, Georgia, to pick up the pipe bombs and thermite devices. Prior to their arrival, the cooperating witness was provided with 12 inert pipe bombs and two inert thermite devices. The three defendants were arrested as they were taking possession of the items. While their online conversations reflected attacks on federal targets, the defendants planned to use the thermite device at a local police department.

Cannon has been sentenced to 12 years in prison to be followed by five years of supervised release and perform 100 hours of community service.

Peace has been sentenced to 12 years in prison to be followed by five years of supervised release and perform 100 hours of community service.

Williamson has been sentenced to 12 years in prison to be followed by five years of supervised release and perform 100 hours of community service.

Cannon, Peace and Williamson were convicted of the charges on May 26, 2015 after pleading guilty.

This case was investigated by the FBI. Assistant United States Attorneys Tracia M. King and Ryan K. Buchanan prosecuted the case.

 

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Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:53 | 6491252 RaceToTheBottom
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Does anyone know their ZH User names?

I want to look up their previous posts...

 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:55 | 6491284 Lets_Eat_Ben
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did you try Williamson's_Peace_Cannon ?

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:00 | 6491310 Deathrips
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How you stop them without any violence? ...use another form of currency, barter and become more independent.

 

In short learn to take care of yourself.

 

Provacatuers love to avoid this solution.

 

If they wont let you, you can clearly see they are a threat to you.

 

RIPS

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:05 | 6491343 max2205
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And hillary gets..,,,,,?

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:09 | 6491377 nuubee
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Wait wait wait... if "Pipe Bombs" constitute "Weapons of Mass Destruction".... then the war on Saddam Hussein was entirely justified from the beginning.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:24 | 6491476 Four chan
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never heard of them, but i bet they had some compelling arguments.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:31 | 6491518 knukles
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OK.  So what about the bankers WMD and racially motivated cop killings accompanied by open threats?
And they all get to run around free.|
Needs to be a bit more breadth with respect to who constitutes "dangerous"

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:38 | 6491564 jefferson32
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Unbeknownst to the defendants, another participant in the chat rooms became alarmed at their plans, informed the FBI of the attack against the government, and agreed to assist in this investigation.

There you have it. Another "plot" concocted by the FBI.

 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:49 | 6491627 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"...anti-government ideology and rhetoric morphed into dangerous extremism and led these defendants to arm themselves and travel to a meeting to pick up pipe bombs and other explosives intended for attacks,..."~

Wanna' guess who was going to "supply" them with "pipe bombs and other explosives"?

This is another case of village idiots getting sucked into a DHS sting. 12 years? Serves their sorry asses right. If a revolution does come, these clowns will be sitting it out still be doing time.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:08 | 6491692 Dame Ednas Possum
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Sure sure...no argument. Have an up vote.

Everr hear of Guido Fawkes?

It only takes a single match to start a forest fire...and every avalanche starts with a snowflake.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:13 | 6491763 spastic_colon
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how much is their bail?

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:23 | 6491832 Stackers
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Another episode of Bait Car brought to you by the FBI.

Find disgruntled moron

Talk disgruntled moron into blowing something up using an "informant"

Give disgruntled moron "fake" bomb

Jump out and claim to be keeping everyone safe from disgruntled morons you give fake bombs to

Rinse and repeat.

 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 17:19 | 6492092 Leopold B. Scotch
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It's all too commonplace. 

 

Encourage the disgruntaled with taking conversations of "frustration" and escalating it to action.  Encourage and nurture -- romanticize - the idea.  Make idea sound very easy to implement via connections who have the supplies.  Arrest them when they go to put YOUR idea in motion.

Right out of the FBI entrapment playbook.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 18:43 | 6492407 nmewn
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Yeah...but they made a deal to go buy/pick up pipe bombs? Pretty stupid if you ask me, they're as easy to make as water balloons.

Just no smoking and watch the static electricity. 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 19:19 | 6492512 Element
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You're going to get a visit ... soon.  ;-)

At least Sadam had real WMDs ... oh ... wait

I'd struggle to call a pipe bomb more than a dangerous sort of fire cracker, but in the world of hysterical homeland security USSA hype-until-you-drop, they're apparently right up there with thermonuclear weapons!

Let's hope the Russians don't get any, or we're all screwed.

By the way, there was an attack with a WMD in Kiev yesterday ... far out huh!? ... silly Ukies said it was only a 'grenade'.

The USA just gets stupider and stupider every day, how much more stupid can it possibly get?

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 19:27 | 6492582 nmewn
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I guess WMD's got reclassified to pipe bombs over the last eight years or so...lol...Element, the stupid is so thick you can cut it with a knife over here, provided of course that you can explain why you need a knife to cut through the stupid...and go through the mandatory waiting period & background check ;-)

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 20:34 | 6492825 Element
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I just can't get my head around how a country can be stupid enough to allow politicians to fuck with the public for 18 months before a Federal election as they do.

It's seriously pathological, the entire society is off its rocker. And I can't believe there are no spontaneous mass demonstrations in front of major TV networks and Dem and Repub HQ's to demand for them to have some decorum, and shut the fuck up for at least another year.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 23:38 | 6493692 Dame Ednas Possum
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The tedious, pointless megalomaniac crap gets imposed on the rest of the world also...like we give a shit.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 20:15 | 6492774 Ace006
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And use Vaseline on the threads.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:25 | 6491844 LawsofPhysics
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"anti-government ideology and rhetoric" -- So, another "trumpism"

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:16 | 6491796 MalteseFalcon
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1. "While the US has had a surge in violence over the past several years..." This statement is demonstrably false using the FBI's own statistics.
2. Were these guys entrapped?
3. Does the existence of "right wing" militias scare me? Nope.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 22:22 | 6493353 AnonG-Man
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That was us.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:09 | 6491385 Haus-Targaryen
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Let this be a lesson to everyone;

1) Trust no one on the internet

2) .gov gets a copy of everything.  Anything you write - assume someone at Langly is actually reading it.  

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:22 | 6491465 MarkAntony
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I dont buy it - these 3 guys could be a set up, a dog and pony show...

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:11 | 6491750 Dame Ednas Possum
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Perhaps.

Either way...hedge accordingly.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 17:38 | 6492161 Buckaroo Banzai
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Do these guys even exist? Or just more Crisis Actors in a whole new kind of play. This whole thing smells like its 100% staged, "pour encourager les autres." After all, why even bother going to the trouble of entrapment when you can just invent it out of whole cloth?

With names like "Peace" and "Cannon", it's like they are just laughing at us with mocking glee.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 22:43 | 6493415 AnonG-Man
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If people were to plan a revolution with Militia's backing, one would be smart not to communicate via Online channels or via Cellphone networks for that matter, unless using burners.  Ever since around the Oklahoma bombing incident, however, Militias were blamed for what happened -the reputation of Militias have been reduced with constant misinformation, demonization, and potential entrapment/setup situations as this one may or may not be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky49ltgeXRU

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:23 | 6491471 oddjob
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1) Trust no one on the internet

 

Namely your bank, or any online transaction.

 

 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 19:39 | 6492626 August
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In matters of violent law-breaking, or merely evading taxes, trust no one you haven't known for ten+ years.

In other words, when conspiring ("for real") against the US government, try real hard to stay out of prison.

 

 

Nothing in this message is intended to promote or condone actual violation of any law, and may God richly bless those Americans serving our nation in the NSA.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:18 | 6491444 NoVa
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Non compos mentis


Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:32 | 6491525 TheReplacement
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Erected!

Oops, not the China boom boom storry.  My bad.

Elected.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:06 | 6491344 swass
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I think there may be some creep in the definition of "Weapons of Mass Destruction."  If a pipe-bomb is considered a WMD, then half the men in the country who grew up.. well.. being a boy.. would probably be guilty of using "WMD"s, similar to the pipe bombs the US Government used against Japan.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:11 | 6491396 Skateboarder
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When we were kids, we would put drain-o in soda botlles, thow in a piece of aluminum foil, and send 'em rolling on skateboards. That is, I'm guessing, highly terrizz these days.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:14 | 6491417 centerline
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Brake fluid and pool shock too. 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:39 | 6491567 NoDebt
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Quick story about chlorine....  My wife likes to put those awful chlorine tablets in the "upper deck" of the toilet to keep the bowl clean (because swirling a brush around the bowl once a week for 15 seconds is too much work).  So, unbeknownst to me she puts FOUR of the f-ing things in the rarely-used downstaris toilet.  This shit tears up EVERYTHING in the toilet, most notably the rubber "flapper" inside and, guess what, it starts to leak.

So, I buy a new flapper and pop off the lid to replace the old one.  Two seconds later my eyes, nose and lungs are burning.  I stumble backwards out of the small bathroom and land on my ass.  It hurt, but the coughing and burning were a much higher priority at that moment.  I get the hell outta the area, still stumbling into things and start to flush upstairs with fresh water, still coughing.

Everything looks white and coudy for the next couple days.  Everything smells like "burnt doggy hair" for about a week.  The coughing stops about that time. too.

Me and the wife had "words" about WWI "mustard gas" and how I'd prefer not to die in my own bathroom from it, etc.  She agreed to stop using the chlorine tablets.  I agreed to clean the toilets.  

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:06 | 6491713 Smiddywesson
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She put four of those big cookies in there?  OMG!

 

You just got a snoot-full in an enclosed area.  My shower is travertine, a pourous type of stone, so when I want it real clean like, I pour straight bleach on it, sponge it around, and race out the door holding my breath.  Four hours later, that bad boy is nice and sparklin.  You have to crack the windows and stay off the crapper for a few hours, but it works like, well, poison gas I guess.  I got zapped a few times, but not enough to constitute a risk to my life.

 

 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:10 | 6491730 large_wooden_badger
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"I agreed to clean the toilets."

I see what she did there. My old lady would call that a "victory". I think she's a domestic terrorist, of the household sort.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:12 | 6491756 Miffed Microbio...
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You are fortunate a guest didn't pee in that toilet. This would produce chlorine gas which can react explosively with other substances.

As a side note, in the lab we must send out the waste from our instruments for " fish testing". They take our sample and dilute it to a certain ppm and place it in a tank of fish. If after 3 weeks there are no more deaths than the fish in the control tank, we may flush the waste down the drain. Two of our instruments failed so we must collect that waste for hazardous disposal. Interestingly to note, in cali the chlorine content is so high in most municipal water sources all aquariums must be treated to remove it or the fish will die. We found this out the hard way. Now we are on a well and I have fish in there that have lived for 15 years without any water adjustment.

I hope your wife has come to the conclusion toilet cleanliness is not worth brain cell annihilation in her husband.

Miffed;-)

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:14 | 6491777 Stares straight...
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Let me guess,
you forgot to mention that all this started after your wife took out a life insurance policy on you....

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:16 | 6491789 Dame Ednas Possum
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I hope the hospital is taking good care of her and release her soon.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:18 | 6491805 Sivad UK
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Stop reading if easily bored because this is some boring domestic shlt.

 

 

 

A couple of weeks ago our water started smelling and tasting very chlorine like – couldn’t figure it out. Called water company and jumped through 100 hoops. Short answer to long story. Chlorine tab in tan was backing up into mani line because of faulty no return valve. Forget the chlorine taste. When those valves fail what else can back up into system? Just a little light digression…

 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 21:19 | 6493026 gafgroocK
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Sounds like some WMD's getting made in your Shitter by the wife. Consider that her dabbling in making Chlorine Gas Bombs has just made you a co-conspiritor and that you are now on the FBI Threat List.

 

Of course when I take a shit, my wife cordens off the Bathrom for 2-3 hours till it clears.

 

I am confused........

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:16 | 6491794 spastic_colon
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skate....we used to put a balloon over the bottle and let it fill with hydrogen, tie it off, hang a piece of tp from it and light it, then watch it explode in the air.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:17 | 6491437 swass
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Those were loads of fun.  Unfortunately now, that is also classified as a chemical weapons attack, and therefore falls under the definition of a WMD. 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 17:22 | 6492105 Fahque Imuhnutjahb
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I'm considered a WMD after a big bait of pintos, chow-chow, cornbread and beer.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:18 | 6491440 flapdoodle
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Silly you... pipe bombs destroy, they are weapons, and they have mass! See how easy it is...

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:35 | 6491535 metastar
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Very few countries possess weapons of mass destruction of the E = mc 2 variety. They must be terrorists.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:20 | 6491452 dickizinya
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pee and pool chlorine in a coffee can.  throw a rock at it and run from the foam

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:27 | 6491491 RiverDrifter
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I knew a kid who used to make bombs out of empty 2 liters, strips of aluminum foil and toilet bowl cleaner.  That kid would be guilty of creating a chemical weapon in today's world.....

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:51 | 6491983 swass
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Yeah, I knew.. er.. a kid that did that too.  I sure am glad I never did anything of questionable legality when I was a kid!  Straight as an arrow.  Helped old ladies across the street every day.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:43 | 6491595 Maxter
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Mix milk with pool chloride shake really quick and run.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:09 | 6491741 Bunghole
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Mix any petroleum product with a strong oxidizer like pool shock and wait for the fun.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:52 | 6491984 Titus
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Got a little pyro in ya? Put styrafoam in some gasoline, then pull the new substance out and light it. Might even be a cheap fuel for those handy new flame throwers ZH posted about.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:06 | 6491355 J S Bach
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More evil white boogeymen apprehended by the NSA.  Yahoo!  Our heros.

Meanwhile, tens of thousands of illegal aliens seep through our "borders" and commit crimes daily.  * Yawn * (crickets)

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:19 | 6491438 Temporalist
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Yes but they use piñata bombs; totally different.  Explosiveness from burritos is a WMD though...

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:53 | 6491988 swass
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I always knew Taco Bell was a terrorist organization.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:53 | 6491990 Laddie
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The Street Gangs More Vicious Than ISIS

One of El Salvador’s former guerrilla leaders, who years ago traded olive drab for Irish tweeds and took up residence at Oxford University, can tell you exactly why his homeland is being torn apart right now by gang violence.

He can also tell you what that means to those of us who live under the delusion that the carnage in the streets of San Salvador this month—expected to get much worse this weekend—is not just a local problem in a faraway land.
Central America’s savagery is terrorism, pure and simple, says Joaquín Villalobos, and in many respects it is more horrible than the Middle Eastern brand. “Islamic terrorism decapitates and crucifies in its territories,” says Villalobos in a column for the Madrid daily El País. “In Latin America the criminals hang, decapitate, burn, chop up, and play soccer with the heads of their victims. In both cases terrorism is the method used to maintain authority.”

And Central America’s brand of terror is just around the corner from communities all over the United States, whether in the barrios of Los Angeles or at a derelict shopping mall next to a posh neighborhood on Long Island, as chronicled by Sarah Garland in her 2009 book The Gangs in Garden City.

The Salvadoran pandillas or maras, as the gangs are called, are in Washington State and in suburban Maryland on the fringes of Washington, D.C. Indeed, the FBI’s “National Gang Report—2013” (PDF), the most recent that’s been published, shows the two main Salvadoran groups, MS-13 and Barrio 18, are in just about every corner of this country. And, like other gangs, according to the FBI, they have infiltrated the U.S. military to get training and expand their influence. The feds also say that gang members show up on college campuses.

In fact, the Salvadoran gangs have roots almost as deep in the United States as they do in El Salvador itself. They started to grow in the 1980s, as hundreds of thousands of Salvadorans fled the civil war there, arriving in the U.S. to live, often without documents, on the margins of society. An estimated 40 percent of the population eventually “went north,” legally or illegally, to live and work. Central America’s brand of terror is just around the corner from communities all over the United States.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:35 | 6491375 Johnbrown
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We do need a revolution. Only, we need it to be slow, deliberate, largely non-violent.

Violent, drastic changes always lead to concentrations of power, a worse situation....

"What they need, and what we need is a convincing plan. We need to develop a plan that keeps people who are disillusioned with politics engaged in the battle for liberty. We need a plan to end the state that avoids the pitfalls of politics that I have outlined above. We need a plan that will change the political system, but not be captured by it, nor follow its self-serving rules. We need to find a way to impact the state, while remaining outside it. We need to form an independent force. What we need, really, is a mechanism for revolution."

I outline a strategic plan to achieve anarchism here:

http://anarchiststandard.com/2015/08/a-plan-to-end-the-state-how-to-crea...

https://soundcloud.com/anarchist-standard/a-plan-to-end-the-state-how-to...

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 21:20 | 6493048 gafgroocK
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I would up-vote you but I can't get on a List.

 

Sorry

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:11 | 6491397 whitelivesmatter
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Is this a game where we get to pick which one is FBI?

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:17 | 6491431 Skateboarder
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There is only one thing you need to know about the Interwebs: Men are men, women are men, and children are the FBI.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:37 | 6491556 swmnguy
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I wonder how the "chat room" conversations evolved.  Usually in a "Homegrown Terrorism" plot the FBI saves us all from, it takes a professional FBI informer/provocateur months, if not years, to tease the eventual patsy along to the point of saying "The Magic Words" that fulfill the requirements of the desired charges to be filed.  Now, these guys may very well have been willing to charge right ahead and inculpate themselves.  Dumbasses, by their very nature, are dumb.  But the role of the "concerned participant" in the "chat room" discussion would be very interesting to examine.

Tue, 09/01/2015 - 00:20 | 6493807 StychoKiller
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[quote] ...posed a serious threat to not only the safety of our public servants,... [/quote]

Anybody else see the Non Seqitur in that sentence fragment?

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:58 | 6491677 caconhma
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It is impossible to stop violence and terrorism without using even more violence and terrorism.

The comrade Lenin wrote: " A revolution takes place when masses want a change and the elite is incapable to rule".

I see the present situation as when

  • US elite is not capable coherently rule (FED is clueless what to do and about to lose control of the world economy and US political establishment is utterly corrupt and incompetent like President Obama and US next-to-be President clowns)
  • However, the masses are still adequately bribed to start a revolt but this situation is about to change. When? Only God knows.
Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:00 | 6491318 MANvsMACHINE
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Ironic that in trying to protect the Constitution, it was the trampling of the Constitution that nailed them.

I wonder if Peace's attorney asked the jury to "Give Peace A Chance."

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:10 | 6491393 balanced
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Where are these "chat rooms"? I haven't seen a chat room since I logged on using AOL in the early 90's.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:56 | 6491996 Titus
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On the bottom of ZH. Unless you have it hidden? :-)

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:03 | 6491705 caconhma
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Even the present US Supreme Court thinks that the US Constitution is too outdated and for all practical purposes is obsolete.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:11 | 6491369 macholatte
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With a little editing it looks like there are a whole lot of people who could be in real trouble

"participated in Internet chat rooms frequented by ACCOUNTANTS & ATTORNEYS and others with a shared anti-government INCOME TAX ideology. During the chat room conversations, X, Y & Z discussed starting a TAX revolution against the CURRENT TAX CODE.

The complaint further notes that "according to their conversations, their goals included OVERHAULING THE CODE AND removing government officials who the defendants believed acted beyond the scope of the U.S. Constitution."

 

How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Adolf Hitler

 

 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:56 | 6491290 Jumbotron
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They obviously had not heard of Edward Snowden's revelations about the NSA.......or TOR.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:57 | 6491292 Bit Coin Hacker
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Larry, Moe and Curly

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:01 | 6491326 Payne
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Exactly the kind of characters that the FBI is most fitted to apprehend.  Idiots who probably are harmless except to themselves.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:57 | 6491297 SWRichmond
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asked the cooperating witness to provide twelve pipe bombs and two thermite devices for use in their attack

Cooperating witness = CI.  Paid informant.  People do not understand how many agents-provacateur can be purchased and maintained with unlimited printed money. 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:59 | 6491300 JustObserving
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Call up your local, friendly NSA agent.  They know more about you than you do.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:13 | 6491406 JLee2027
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Only 12 years? Didn't Peter Schiff's father get 14 years for handling out phamplets?

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:43 | 6491594 Oldrepublic
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Irwin Schiff is in Federal prison for tax evasion. He has published some really good books,everyone should read them

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:55 | 6491655 JLee2027
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Yes I was just pointing out planning of violent crimes gets less punishment than not paying taxes. 

"You can plot to kill us, but pay your taxes first!"

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:54 | 6491649 TheReplacement
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Plotting to kill low level .gov drones is nothing compared to educating the serfs.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:15 | 6491419 chrsn
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Well, don't look at me just because I think revolution is a good idea

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:16 | 6491429 holgerdanske
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I must admit, it sounds much like the way I feel at times.

I'm just usually a bit ahead of the crowd, so I guess this will be how most people feel in about 10 years time!

 

 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:23 | 6491472 jimfcarroll
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> Does anyone know their ZH User names?

> I want to look up their previous posts...

LOL!

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:28 | 6491501 Haka Matohi
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How bout TJefferson or Tree_of_Liberty?

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:48 | 6491622 gdiamond22
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So these guys get put in prison for talking about killing govt officials. The Black Panthers and Black Lives Matter movement get endorsed by Democrats for talking about killing cops and their families?

 

Got it.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:57 | 6492003 Meat Hammer
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If the agenda isn't clear now then it never will be.

Tue, 09/01/2015 - 00:28 | 6493823 mkkby
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Didn't Farrakan just say he wanted to find 10,000 niggers who will go kill cops?  Crickets from DHS.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:05 | 6491711 JuliaS
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WMD's? Were they planning to transact using gold instead of fiat?

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 17:40 | 6492171 drendebe10
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In Nazi Germany, if you didn't greet with "Heil Hitler" you were viewed with suspicion.  Coming to a neighborhood near you.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 18:52 | 6492435 Praeda2
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It's the guy who kept on talking about fucking your wife.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:52 | 6491256 loveyajimbo
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The FBI does not sentence people... at least not openly.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:55 | 6491282 lordylord2
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If the 12 years in prison doesn't rehabilitate them, I'm sure the 100 hours of community service will.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:53 | 6491268 aliki
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irony = the 1st mugshot last name is "peace"

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:00 | 6491316 HonkyShogun
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Or in prison, they will spell it "Piece".

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:53 | 6491269 Seasmoke
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I don't understand how these knuckleheads always get caught before hand. Actions not words. Simple.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:56 | 6491291 Wahooo
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Chat rooms.  They catch the idiots.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:02 | 6491328 HonkyShogun
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In this case, Michael Cherthoff didn't need a kickstarter for backscatter machines.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:26 | 6491485 oddjob
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No way that being is human, no way.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:16 | 6491424 XitSam
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They are knuckleheads.  The bay area communication disruptions, of which all I know is from reading the media, are not knuckleheads.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:53 | 6491270 robertocarlos
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Isn't 12 years a light sentence in America?

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:59 | 6491293 NoDebt
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It's about on-par with your second drunk driving conviction.  Or comitting a multiple homicide with a chainsaw.  So it kind of depends on how you look at it.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:32 | 6491530 swmnguy
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Now if you steal everybody's life savings, it's not a crime at all and you get to keep all the loot.  Unless you do it to celebrities who think they're getting in on insider trading.  Then it's 155 years plus.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:54 | 6491273 BullyBearish
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So...can the bankers receive the same sentence for their use and possession of derivatives?

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:54 | 6491274 TrumpXVI
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Weapons of mass destruction = internet chat roooms.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:16 | 6491304 Normalcy Bias
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I'm pretty sure that the definition of WMD's has been dumbed down so far, it even includes the chalupas from Taco Bell.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:17 | 6491434 Oh regional Indian
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Only if you get caught with a rubble nozzle dangling out of your ass, two chalupas in each hand and a hang-tag that says Gas Chamber Duty...

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:27 | 6491494 WillyGroper
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ROFL

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:32 | 6491527 Sivad UK
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You have kids?

Would you stand around while people talked about blowing stuff up and not worry?

F-off... I'm as disillusioned as the next guy but you start talking about blowing people up and you lost me.

I will fight you with everything I have.

I want my kids to live free - not in fear. I want to teach them reason and to have the backbone to fight for what they believe in. But when that potentially involves killing an innocent - I want them to know and understand what a decent person can live with and what they cant.

I'd rather them be dead than broken like that...

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:40 | 6491577 ToSoft4Truth
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Have a Diet Coke® – caffeine free you seem jittery – and relax. 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:10 | 6491748 Sivad UK
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I prefer coke 0 these days.

I'm relaxed. I have the sentiment. But sometimes people around here should have some balls and say "wait a minute - is this what we really want"?

I'm not 21 anymore. We need perspective or we wont be heard...

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:28 | 6491862 Tall Tom
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When a bomb explodes in a city is that heard loud and clear?

 

Unfortunately when your Government drops them over in Afghanistan or in Ukraine, in Iraq,, in Syria, in Yemen, or in any other multitudes of places, they are not heard on your front doorstep.

 

Yet YOU PAY FOR THAT. You SUPPORT THAT. Financial support is SUPPORT.

 

Do they have children too?

 

Nahhhhh...It is all about YOURSELF, your NARCISSISTIC ASS.

 

Is that what YOU REALLY WANT?

 

Good luck in the UK...without guns.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:39 | 6491918 Sivad UK
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Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:38 | 6491920 Sivad UK
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I am from S Alabama you ignorant f-uck.

I pay for what? I support what?

You don't know what you are talking about.

I am talking about reeling in the crazy and advocating a line/type of thinking that can win people to our cause. That is not gonna happen by supporting ignorant f-cks that are as crazy as the people we are trying to fight.

Get back in your hole.

I hope if it hits the fan the folks who rely on you don't suffer for your lack of understanding that if you want to change things you need to be able to convince other people your ideas are better than what they already ascribe to.

God bless you and yours.

I just want mine to be safe and have a future.

 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:51 | 6491982 Tall Tom
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YOU PAY TAXES. You support the Government. 

 

You pay taxes...at the Gas Pump.

 

You pay taxes when you own Real Estate.

You pay taxes on your Gains or losses in the Stock Market.

You pay taxes in order to be employed...if you are one who is employed.

You pay taxes to employ others if you own your own business.

 

Financial support is SUPPORT. There is no way around that fact...unless you are like Bill Clinton who redefines words like "Is" and "Sex" when it suits him.

 

Also just what in the hell does UK mean if not the United Kingdom? University of Kentucky, perchance?

 

I am not trying to win people over to any cause.

 

As for a future...THERE IS NO FUTURE. You may want to awaken...to that fact.

 

 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:55 | 6491278 Racer
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"those who serve the public"

 

And who are they then?

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:56 | 6491289 Ms. Erable
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Cooks, mostly. They serve the public up to the effetes, er, um, elites.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:55 | 6491285 AlfredNeumann
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If only the sons of bitches of the CIA who use  false flag attacks to start wars around the globe would get the same sentence. 

 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:58 | 6491295 Hannibal
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In an FBI sting set up, they were caught with a Round-Up spray gun.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:01 | 6491323 thamnosma
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That's about the gist of it.  You know where all that "anti-government" talk ends up.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:12 | 6491758 Bunghole
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Drunk on potato vodka again?

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:28 | 6491855 Ms No
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Newsoutlet has probably already narked like 6 people to the Feds for being "unpatriotic" (not wanting WWIII). 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:59 | 6491303 bluskyes
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Patriotism is a crime.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:08 | 6491370 Consuelo
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Of the real variety, it most definitely is.   

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:45 | 6491611 Big Corked Boots
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Apparently they didn't have a permit to water the tree of liberty.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:02 | 6491305 theFNG
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Tyler was too late on the jury nullification article to save these guys.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 14:59 | 6491307 Bunga Bunga
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OT: Greek Parliament President leaves Syriza, joins new leftist anti-Euro, pro-Drachma "Popular Unity".

 

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/08/31/greek-elections-konstantopoul...

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:00 | 6491309 thamnosma
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So pipe bombs are weapons of mass destruction?   Isn't USG using WMDs all over the globe?   I figure drones, cruise missiles, depleted uranium shells, you know, those things are slightly higher on the list than pipe bombs.  Exactly what critical infrastructure was going to be taken down with pipe bombs?  

I would only send them to jail for being utter dumbasses and losers. 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:05 | 6491347 Dre4dwolf
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Exactly what critical infrastructure was going to be taken down with pipe bombs?

These perps weren't out to cause a revolution, they just wanted to throw a few m80s in govt toilets.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:20 | 6491455 Sivad UK
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Who cares? You can say what you want but when "change" turns into indescriminate violence you deserve what you get. If you wanna go after elected officials on your on time be my guest. If you wanna plan blowing up shlt and not caring who you hurt then I hope they torture you good before they off you.

I have kids and we aren't living in the ME. I hate what is happening to society but when you step out of one arena into an arena where you don't care who you hurt then you lost me. You are no different than uncivilised animals anywhere.

Things arent great, but you need perspective. Pipe bombing at random is terrorism. That nursery in OC was full of kids who couldn't read much less have an opinion.

Change needs perspective and these kinds of ideas are savage.

Red arrow me but f-ck anyone who supports indiscriminate violence against, potentially, innocents.

We are a long way from there...

Fight for change but don't become what you are fighting against...

 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:39 | 6491574 Brutlstrudl
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"Red arrow me but f-ck anyone who supports indiscriminate violence against, potentially, innocents".

 

Tell that to an Iraqi.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:06 | 6491715 Sivad UK
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Are you an Iraqi? You want to live in Iraq? You want that in your back yard?

Get some balls. I don't live in Iraq. I didn't invade Iraq. Neither did my kids. F-you and your puffed up chest.

People like this aren't patriots. They are animals.

I can't control what happens in Iraq. We can control what happens at home.

Fight the idiots who support violence abroad - but also fight the idiots who are trying to bring it home.

Your attitude sucks. Take you ignorance elsewhere...

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 16:41 | 6491926 Tall Tom
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I can't control what happens in Iraq. We can control what happens at home.

 

Yes YOU CAN control what happens in Iraq if you can control what happens at your home.

 

You are just TOO DAMNED LAZY and UNMOTIVATED.

 

As long as they are killing innocent children OVER THERE you don't give a fuck.

 

Financial Support IS SUPPORT. In fact YOU SUPPORT the KILLING OF INNOCENTS...CHILDREN.

 

Financial Support is SUPPORT. You claim that you can control what happens and you have not only ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN...YOU SUPPORT IT.

 

And now you expose your own COWARDICE when having to face the possibility of being on the receiving end? You are all gung ho about spreading your destruction.

 

You are guilty and COMPLICIT as most others. What you sow shall you reap. It cannot happen to someone more deserving and it will be just desserts when it does.

 

What an EFFEMINATE PUSSY!!!

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 17:58 | 6492234 Sivad UK
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Sure - ok. You win.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 19:18 | 6492527 Raging Debate
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Tall Tom - You have been noted to mix scripture with blowing up infrastructure and innocents. Based on your logic, people that go to work and have taxes taken out deserve what they get.

Christ said to give to Caesar what is his in taxes. Meanwhile, him the apostles and followers all worked part time and shared resources (barter). 

Here Ceasar, I make just over the poverty line tax away and have a nice day. Meanwhile, think I'll have some homemade grog, fondle some spiritual granola-head bitches, contemplate the end of this evolutionary hell and have myself a nap.'

 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:21 | 6491461 XitSam
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It's not a crime if the government does it. 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:00 | 6491311 Das Capitalist
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The FBI doesn't sentence people.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:00 | 6491317 Dre4dwolf
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nut jobs.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:00 | 6491319 Dr. Engali
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I believe that Fonz was one of the defendants.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:42 | 6491587 actionjacksonbrownie
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I think Fonz was a little sharper than that.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:02 | 6491330 I Write Code
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Just want to repeat: FBI does not sentence people.  And these guys apparently plead guilty.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:02 | 6491332 stant
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. Gov is doing a fine job of blowing itself up. Don't get in the way. And stay far enough back

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:14 | 6491400 Raging Debate
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Stant - You nailed it. "This sucker is going down." - GW Bush 

Hey, where is Tall Tom these days? 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:51 | 6491614 Tall Tom
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I am right here.

 

They relied upon others for explosives?

 

I do not sell explosives. I do not buy explosives. I do not own explosives.

 

Learn to make your own. I do know how to do that.

 

1) Do not assemble before immediate use.

2) Have LEGITIMATE uses for components. Otherwise you can be arrested and successfully prosecuted for possession of Bomb Making Materials. (Gasoline is used to fuel your Internal Combustion Engines. Oil is used to lubricate your Internal Combustion Engines. Detergent is used to wash your clothes. Those are legitimate uses. Mixed together, on the other hand...) 

 

First I do not believe that this "bust" was real. Nobody can be that fucking stupid to advertise, online, that they want assembled bombs.

 

This story, and I do believe it to be FICTIONAL, is to promote FEAR in order to quash any planned resistance.

 

Next...If they can convince you of the futility of resistance then you are much less likely to act.

 

Also I prefer that you OPT OUT and do not spend money. They cannot TAX pools of DEAD WEALTH. Only when there is a TRANSACTION can it be taxed. While it is true that they can erode your wealth through INFLATION it is just as true that you can actively hedge against it.

 

This starves the beast.

 

Give peace a chance.

 

But, finally, WHEN the totalitarian Government goes after your guns I also prefer that you have other alternatives...so that you stand a chance...if you must fight.

 

And FUCK YOU NSA.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 19:32 | 6492590 Raging Debate
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Ok Tom - your backtracking now and saying your just preparing when you already stated intentions to attack civilian infrastructure and your logic to Siv user is he is a pussy if he doesn't build bombs or quit a job and be homeless as you formerly claimed to be?

So you revealed all your cards in any event. Your an agent or half twacked. In a way I hope you are just half twacked, because the alternative for what I pay for.in taxes for security is far more frightening. 

I miss Margaret Meade and William Buckley. You are neither caliber.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:04 | 6491342 HellFish
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Any chance we're prosecuting muslims for the same thing here in the ol US of A?

Not so much, huh?

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:36 | 6491550 knukles
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Nope.  Or black people shooting cops or beating whites for being in the wrong neighborhood, let alone openly calling for murder of white women, children and etc., etc. etc.
And letting .... oh never mind ....
Jesus ....

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:11 | 6491350 reader2010
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Beware of  those who dare to "irrigate the Tree of Liberty" with other people's blood. It's a Thought Crime.

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:08 | 6491365 vq1
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Does anyone know where to report this kind of behavior?

 

My neighbors 12 year old talks about building giant robots and I think he may be a threat to public safety.

 

Since he is a youth I think a life-sentence may be necessary 

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:33 | 6491520 Deathstar
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Yea, I have the same feeling! I know someone who is a bio-engineer. He is working on breeding a godzilla and he is going to set it loose in washing-ton Dick. Chompers. and film the festivities in black and white.

....to be released in Tokyo theatres next year!

I "feel" he needs to be stopped. Someone should tip off the Federal Butthole Instigators to give him 50 lashes and life in prison watching Ultra Man re-runs!

Mon, 08/31/2015 - 15:38 | 6491561 knukles
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What bothers me is my neighbor's micro aggression that I see when he stands on his front porch masturbating.
I know that he is baiting me because of my small penis.
I need a hug

Tue, 09/01/2015 - 00:41 | 6493861 mkkby
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My neighbor spits in the street.  That could spread disease, which is germ warfare -- a WMD!  Where can I report this dangerous terrorist?

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