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In Dramatic Escalation, China Sends Five Navy Ships Off Alaska Coast For First Time Ever

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Just as China celebrates the 70th anniversary of the end of World War II with an extravagant parade designed to showcase the country’s military prowess and project Xi Jinping’s power to nervous onlookers in the West, the Pentagon says it has spotted five Chinese Navy ships in the Bering Sea, just off the coast of Alaska.

Here’s WSJ:

Five Chinese navy ships are currently operating in the Bering Sea, off the coast of Alaska, the first time the U.S. military has seen such activity in the area, Pentagon officials said Wednesday.

 

The officials said they have been aware in recent days that three Chinese combat ships, a replenishment vessel and an amphibious ship were in the vicinity after observing them moving toward the Aleutian Islands, which are split between U.S. and Russian control.

 

They said the Chinese ships were still in the area, but declined to specify when the vessels were first spotted or how far they were from the coast of Alaska.


The Pentagon official said there were a “variety of opinions” on how to interpret the Chinese ships’ deployment.

 

“It’s difficult to tell exactly, but it indicates some interest in the Arctic region,” the official said. “It’s different.”

"Different" indeed, as in "uprecedented", and while we won’t endeavor to jump to conclusions, we would note that the PLA hasn’t exactly been shy when it comes to challenging the US from a maritime perspective of late and of course, the US has had its ships and carriers to the east and south of China for decades, so it would appear that Xi is intent on giving Washington a taste of its own medicine. 

But don't worry, the Commander in Chief is on the scene - literally.

Finally, what better diversion from its crashing stock market on its national military holiday than for China to invade the US?

 

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Wed, 09/02/2015 - 14:28 | 6500718 knukles
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They can see Barry from their bridges

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 14:29 | 6500725 Temporalist
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Knucks sometimes I'd swear if I had a brain we'd be sharing it.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 14:31 | 6500737 jcaz
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Wow- I'm impressed they made it that far without sinking....   Send a tuna boat out to dispense of them.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 14:38 | 6500783 Stuck on Zero
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According to old Chinese maps the aleutians belong to China. They therefore need to establish bases to ensure peace and prosperity.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 14:49 | 6500855 JoeSexPack
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Cruise missiles would sink most surface ships in hours, & US has biggest fleet.

 

DC false-flag op warming up...

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 14:53 | 6500861 Divine Wind
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Dramatic Escalation? How?

I wonder if there was a drilling rig with that naval flotilla?

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 14:59 | 6500910 chunga
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Can't China just use the trendy excuse that their ships are searching for ISIS renegades in the global campaign against terrism?

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:10 | 6500982 Occident Mortal
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They're probably just taking note of some good amphibious landing spots.

Nothing to be alarmed about.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:19 | 6501043 ThroxxOfVron
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Yup.

No problemas.

They aren't invading.

They are sending their pregnant wives on vacation...

Er...

They are seeking asylum from the brutal repression and violence against short sellers...

Er...

They are just looking for jobs that Americans won't do...

Obama will probably rush to arrange housing, medical care, ebt cards, and personally enroll the kiddies in public school...

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:21 | 6501053 CheapBastard
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Palin can see them [and the Russians] [and Barry] from her bedroom window.

 

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:26 | 6501083 ThroxxOfVron
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On a serious note: I've said for years that IF China started landing tens of thousands of 'refugees' in Alaska that the US would be paralyzed to act to stop it due to the idiocy surrounding the Illegal Alien problem.  

While politicians argue people would swarm into the woods and start setting up camp, begin marching south in columns towards the Continental US with warmer climes and more infrastructure to support them, etc...

The differences between an Illegal Alien probem, a Forced Migration, and an Invasion; are merely semantics and ideological perspective...

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:03 | 6501288 Oracle 911
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Few days ago there was a combined Sino-Russian anti-terrorist drill which involved amphibious forces. Source:

http://thesaker.is/chinese-amphibious-force-invades-russia/

 

Chinese invasion into Alaska or just muscle flexing? (I think it is later.)

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:20 | 6501363 wee-weed up
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Methinks the ChiComs are going to really test the little wussy in the White House before he leaves office.

And like everything else he has done thus far, I'm afraid we're going to find him seriously lacking.

Unfortunately for us...  the ChiComs are well aware of this too.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:37 | 6501485 Dolar in a vortex
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Think they were watching Kerry and Obama begging Iran for a deal?

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 17:30 | 6501691 johngaltfla
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Calm down everyone. Kenyans nor Chinese people can swim.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 18:00 | 6501813 1000 splendid suns
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The Barry'ng Str8?

Keep a round eye out for one of those Tonkin Gulf incidences...

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 18:26 | 6501926 Handful of Dust
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You can keep the Kenyans ... the Chinese can keep coming as far as I'm concerned.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 18:48 | 6502015 Fahque Imuhnutjahb
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China is miffed because someone blew up their "flakka" chemicals before they could be shipped to the States.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 20:06 | 6502223 SoilMyselfRotten
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I think it's irrelevant that Obama is a wuss. He has surrounded himself with the freakin crazy neo-cons who would like nothing more than war with Russia. I'm thinking he has very little say in how this plays out.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 20:49 | 6502361 Joe Davola
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I'm not worried, they are no match for the Hillstrands.

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 03:43 | 6503361 cookie nookie
Wed, 09/02/2015 - 21:29 | 6502529 wee-weed up
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"I think it's irrelevant that Obama is a wuss."

Unfortunately, Obozo's "wussyness" emboldens the ChiComs.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 22:31 | 6502840 Sages wife
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"Does this glacier make me look fat?"

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 02:05 | 6503276 cnmcdee
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'When America goes to war with China, Russia will strike without warning.'

http://z3news.com/w/dumitru-duduman-china-russia-attack-america/

 

 

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 19:56 | 6502182 Paveway IV
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The Pentagram, through their WSJ stenographers, are simply trying to temporarily distract everyone with a shiny object (or five) because the news blackout on Socotra failed.

Side note: I have a hard time believing this was 'unprecedented' so I had to check with my squid buddies. They interrupted me with laughter after the phrase 'Chinese Navy', after which they conceded that it may be unprecedented because the Chinese Navy rarely goes anywhere. They were pretty unimpressed by the significance of this - it's international waters, for Christ's sake.

The 'distraction' part is the Pentagram trying to front-run any criticism of the U.S. apparent invasion and occupation of Yemeni sovereign territory. There's a little island just before the Gulf of Aden off the coasts of Yemen and Somalia called Socotra that makes a great permanent aircraft carrier for the U.S. to engage in whatever clownfuckery they have planned in the Saudi peninsula and the Horn of Africa.

In 2010, the U.S. traitor Gen. Petraeus bribed the then Yemeni president Saleh (and subsequently bribed Hadi) to let the Pentagram set up a drone and naval base there. This whole Houthi cluster-bombing campaign threatened the progress, so the U.S. just moved in like nothing happened and started building their base. Wouldn't it have been more polite to wait until the Houthi genocide was over and the U.S. puppet Hadi reinstalled as president? I guess not... And what about when the Houthis kick the U.S. al Qaeda forces and the Saudi army's ass out of Yemen? What if their government doesn't like the idea of the U.S. occupying Socotra? We're getting to be more and more like Israel every day. 

Remember a bit back when Russia 'invaded' Crimea and the howls of protest by the U.S.? Remember the Pentagon filling their depends when the Chinese started making their own islands in the South China Sea? Those rules don't apply to the Pentagon or the crony contractors they've hired to build their new base. I'm sure the same contractors that were electrocuting U.S. soldiers taking showers in Iraq got the Socotra contracts, but I won't name any names. I'm just a lowly taxpayer and missed the part in the constitution about protecting the Red Sea for Saudi Arabia and Israel. Otherwise, I would just say: "Fuck them - they can protect it themselves from imaginary threats. I'm all tapped out!"

So please ignore the U.S. military invasion and occupation of Socotra and fret about the might Chinese 'fleet' bobbing around the radioactive North Pacific. That's the real threat, here.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 20:00 | 6502207 Freddie
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+1

Tyler's should pay you for your posts.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 20:13 | 6502246 Paveway IV
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I know, right? Those bastards charge me $25 a post here and they won't take bitcoin.

The guys at the Plasma Donor Center are getting suspicious - I don't know how much longer I can keep this up.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 21:53 | 6502660 willwork4food
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You're bitchin about the plasma centers payouts these days? What is it uip to now $75 ? Shit I remember doing it for $8 back in the '80s in sunny Cal just to get me free chicken soup.

But on topic, you hit a home run with those posts paveway. The fucks in DC don't do anything that is anti-"Christian", or in bad taste or even downright immoral. Everyone else does.

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 06:35 | 6503452 Lets_Eat_Ben
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"chicken soup" was slang for 80's crack cocaine 

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 07:55 | 6503610 ThroxxOfVron
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"bastards charge me $25 a post here "

 

Is that all it costs for 'guest post' placement ?

Are you shitting me ?

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 15:12 | 6505656 Paveway IV
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Do you think I should be paying them more?

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 23:49 | 6503085 grumpy stacker
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Very astute there Paveway IV. I am a fan of your comments.  Cheers mate! 

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 00:07 | 6503114 ThirteenthFloor
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Paveway -> US is not protecting Red Sea for Saudi Arabia, it's for the oil complex, bankers, and the military complex. Can't afford a missed day with a few bucks in the pocket. Borders and countries no longer matter to the cabal.

US military is working to protect the dollar scam - the idea that once was America has vanished a while back.

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 01:51 | 6503259 Paveway IV
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"...US military is working to protect the dollar scam..."

Yeah, well it doesn't look like it's working out too well for them. You're right about the rest. All I know is it DAMN SURE has zero benefit to the average peon citizen in the U.S. (yet they still force a total news blackout of the occupation! - F'king cowards).

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 07:08 | 6503533 Fractal Parasite
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Imagine if ZH would report every time a US ship was in international waters near some unsubordinated nation – it would quickly get tedious.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 23:22 | 6503033 Hide and Watch
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Your exactly right Wee. They are going the make a big grab in the next few months. I wonder what T-bills will do the day Taipei falls? 

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 03:33 | 6503352 short the FED
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You have no concept of reality. Obama is every bit as much a NEOCON as any Bush. How many more democratically elected governments does he have to topple? How many more drone strikes? How many more Sunni coalitions?  What else could he possibly let wall street get away with? Wake up there is only a one party system controlled by the same Nazi bankers who killed Kennedy adn put Hitler in power then dropped the Nazi infastructure into the land of the free... It's 2015 the truth's out there!

 

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:17 | 6501366 Funny Money
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Oh no!  The Chinese military!  Remember their last military victory?

 

lmfao!

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:35 | 6501469 Bunghole
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Never heard of the Chosin Reservoir?

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 17:31 | 6501695 Funny Money
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Was that a naval battle?

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 18:07 | 6501838 Likstane
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RESEVOIR...duh

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 18:55 | 6502028 Herd Redirectio...
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Brave sir Robin ran away!

"Although Chinese troops managed to surround and outnumber the UN forces, they were able to break out of the encirclement while inflicting crippling losses on the Chinese, allowing them to successfully withdraw in good order. The evacuation of the X Corps from the port of Hungnam marked the complete withdrawal of UN troops from North Korea"

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 19:00 | 6502043 Will To Live
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Bung Hole and Likstane, you guys were meant for each other.  Cheers.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 20:14 | 6502247 Pickleton
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"Never heard of the Chosin Reservoir?"

 

I'm still trying to figure out if you're either that stupid or whether it was just a stupid joke.  The Chosin is a lake, and it had nothing to do with naval forces.  Oh, and the Chinese got their asses handed to them by the Marine Corps.

 

 

 

 

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 20:47 | 6502352 Fahque Imuhnutjahb
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I figured it was some resort lake in Israel  q:B

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 21:17 | 6502468 Jim in MN
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My Dad and 18,000 Allied casualties think the ass-whooping was mutual.  And Chosin is NOT a lake, you fucking blowhard.

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 00:02 | 6503112 grumpy stacker
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Jim in MN...you are correct sir. I will be honored to meet soon with some of the surviving heros of the 1st Marines who escaped the Chosin Reservoir 'massacre'. God bless them everyone and the VICTORY they accomplished by escaping while crushing EVERY CHICOM attempt to disrupt and intimidate.

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 00:15 | 6503138 Funny Money
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https://www.google.com/maps/place/Chosin+Reservoir/@40.496574,127.255175...!4m2!3m1!1s0x5fd250776a15f6d7:0x6f80122f0588c2f1

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 01:54 | 6503268 Lanka
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Chosin Reservoir was formed by constructing a dam across the river.  It is not a natural lake, but is man-made.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 18:02 | 6501820 greenskeeper carl
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well, after the absolute ass kicking we gave to the vietnamese, iraqis, afghanis, and "ISIS" Im sure we will have no problem taking on 1 billion screaming chinamen right? USA! USA!

 

hopefully the above poster wasn't serious. What have you seen in the last 5 decades or so that would lead you to believe we are prepared to take on another world power like that?

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 19:22 | 6502110 Normalcy Bias
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Well, you don't hear Grenadans mouthing off anymore, do you Mr. Smartypants?

U  S  A ! !   U  S  A ! !

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 00:17 | 6503141 Funny Money
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How are a billion screaming chinamen going to cross an ocean?

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 00:42 | 6503181 All_Your_Base
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like the Japanese would, only more so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBdpJi3W41o

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 10:12 | 6504130 Fahque Imuhnutjahb
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You are working under the assumption that we actually wanted to win the listed police actions.  An on going, protracted

military engagement is a much more lucrative, thus desired, proposition than is a decisive shock and awe definitive

victory.  It's not necessarily good for anyone outside the Washington/MIC/Wall Street cabal, but hey does anybody else

really matter?

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 23:15 | 6503002 Syrin
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You all haven't been paying any attention to the past year.   The Chinese now have the most advanced long tange bomber in the world.  The Chinese disabled a US destroyer TWELVE times using a localized EMP device in a drill a few years ago, they have also massively upgraded their entire Navy.   We are technologically outdated compared to them.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 23:55 | 6503100 Calmyourself
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The H6 is a piece of shit, get Mao's moldy dick out of your mouth..  They can hardly produce their own engines.. 

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 03:39 | 6503356 short the FED
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Insane comment.... Stick to talking about market fundamentales or something you hopefully understand a lil better because Geo-Politics aint your jam!

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 03:39 | 6503357 short the FED
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Insane comment.... Stick to talking about market fundamentales or something you hopefully understand a lil better because Geo-Politics aint your jam!

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 03:40 | 6503358 short the FED
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Insane comment.... Stick to talking about market fundamentales or something you hopefully understand a lil better because Geo-Politics aint your jam!

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 03:40 | 6503359 short the FED
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Insane comment.... Stick to talking about market fundamentales or something you hopefully understand a lil better because Geo-Politics aint your jam!

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:18 | 6501373 HowdyDoody
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The NATO nutjobs are rattling their sabres at Kalingrad, claiming it is 'a dagger pointed at Europe' and that 'it should be pointing towards Moscow'. 

http://johnhelmer.net/?p=13999

"Lieutenant General Ben Hodges (right), commander of the US Army Europe, told journalists assembled to watch Baltops: “Nato is not threatening anyone. Nato has no quarrel with the Russian people. We do have a quarrel with Putin, or Russia, trying to change borders by force…"

NATO is not threatening anyone - yeah right. Russia just happens to have moved its borders right up to the poor little innocent NATO countries.

Two can play at that game. Here we have Chinese exercises near Alaska. What next? Iskanders on the adjacent Russian mainland pointed towards US early warning stations in Alaska?

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 17:13 | 6501626 ebear
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I see nothing unusual here. Russian and Chinese military cooperation assumes knowledge of, and training in each other's tactics and strategy. There are probably Russian officers on board training their Chinese counterparts in Arctic navigation. Likewise, I'd assume there are Chinese officers aboard Russian ships doing the same. In times of war, the one may have to substitute for the other. This is standard doctrine in military alliances.

The hysterics on this site are truly a sight to behold. Still, I wouldn't have it any other way, since (if nothing else) it provides a window into the minds of those who could make a real difference, if only they'd calm down a bit;)

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 18:00 | 6501814 New_Meat
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Oracle 911:

"Few days ago there was a combined Sino-Russian anti-terrorist drill which involved amphibious forces."

You can actually know if they (whoever "they" might be) if "they" are draggin' gators with them.

Otherwise, it is either a photo-op or a drive-by shooting.

- Ned

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:32 | 6501452 Dancing Disraeli
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Illegal invasion covers it quite nicely.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 19:22 | 6502109 Freddie
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I am sure the bears of Alaska could solve that refugee problem.  Sweet and Sour Chinamen.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 23:03 | 6502959 shovelhead
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They could hide among the Eskimos and you would never know it.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:28 | 6501096 Oh regional Indian
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@ CheapB... on the observation deck on her bridge to nowhere...

Isn't this when Bar O B is in Alaska telling the natives why oil is bad?

Oil and coal are being killed....it's just fucking impossible to believe that oil can die, we are so HOOKEd...

So, it's not abotu oil anymore, it's about who owns real assets in the growth area, Asia....so all this muscle wagging, the USATO combine pressing in overtly through the west and covertly through the financial and business heart through continued currency supression (buying up on the cheap, long term leases on prime real estate on the cheap....beautiful scheme)... in countries like India...frigging imported inflation si off the charts...

It's called Turm-OIL for a reason....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjmWeypvoQg

 

 

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:38 | 6501162 847328_3527
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I'm sure all the sailors have their binocs out focused on her bedroom window also.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:45 | 6501184 Son of Loki
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I am not sure about that; have you seen some of those new female recruits in the Chinese Honor Guard?

 

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/5D0A/production/_85281832_8...

 

They are hot! As far as I'm concerned they can conquer me without firing a shot. After all, I'm basically a lover, not a fighter, anyway.

 

And don't any of you female ZH'ers get any ideas; my heart is saved for little Wang Li, the third [female] soldier from the left.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:36 | 6501477 Bunghole
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Chicks with bullpups are hawt

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 18:24 | 6501916 Handful of Dust
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Well, I'll have to admit that I'm a sucker for those gals in uniform ... even out of uniform, I'll make an exception!

 

 

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 19:17 | 6502093 Freddie
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I Love A Girl In Uniform

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLnIf0JjszY

Gang of Four

The girl/woman was/is a great bass player.  Andy Gill great guitarist.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:21 | 6501046 Tonald J Drump
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they won't get away with this crap once I'm in office...I'm gonna make America great again ! !

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 03:48 | 6503363 short the FED
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HOw anyone can come to SeroHedge and think Trump would be any tougher on his buddies than Obama or Bush is insane to me!!

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 03:48 | 6503364 short the FED
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How anyone can come to zeroHedge and think Trump would be any tougher on his buddies than Obama or Bush is insane to me!!

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:49 | 6501538 Slomotrainwreck
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They're probably just taking note of some good amphibious landing spots.

Chances are that they've been there for 2 weeks and the US intelligence thought they were whales.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:41 | 6501176 MansaMusa
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@chunga:  stfu you racist pill popper

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:03 | 6501289 chunga
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up yours carpetbagger

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 18:03 | 6501823 New_Meat
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Chunga, actually the current excuse is that they are being "playful."

Don't cha' know.

- Ned

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:01 | 6500926 Sudden Debt
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OBAMA WILL ENGAGE IN A GOLF STAND OFF!!

7 DAYS

2 PLAYERS

50 HOOKERS

2 POUNDS OF BLOW

AND IT'S ON BITCHEZ!!!

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:55 | 6501244 PTR
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Can I join?  Keep the clubs.

-Bill Clinton

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:31 | 6501448 Freddie
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Palin warned us.  McCain was too old and too much of a Neocon to see Russia. Obola knew there were no bathhouses there.

 

It is a shame that McHale's Navy is no longer around to protect Amerika.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa_TQyBn5aI

We better keep stacking and get more ammo because it may be Wolverines! time sooner than we think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoM6IFiyRjE

Anyone know if .22 LR or .22 mag is effective against zombie Chinamen?

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 03:51 | 6503369 short the FED
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Definetly and George H will invite the two underage teenage male prostatutes caught inn the white house at 3 am in 91.... Ohhh yeah their too old now guess he'll have to bring some Syrian boys w him # Youguysalmostgetit 

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:31 | 6501451 skeelos
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People seem to be missing the real danger associated with this event.  The US military might view it as a serious threat that the Chinese will invade and wrest civilian control away from the States before they do, which could cause a pre-emptive strike by the US military against Texas for example.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 22:22 | 6502763 Farqued Up
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Do king crab float when electrocuted with an electromagnetic pulse?

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 22:49 | 6502901 Element
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 Dramatic Escalation? How?

I wonder if there was a drilling rig with that naval flotilla?

 

No, it refers to the PLAN's fuel bill, it apparently shot up very alarmingly.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:09 | 6500950 Payne
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Idiot comment, Cruise Missile needs fixed targeting information.  Do you really see a laser spotter floating in the Artic ?

 

This is unexpected !  This is probably a joint training excercise with Russia and they have spent a bunch of money on fuel to get there and stay in the area.  Weather is pretty good on or off right now but getting worse soon.  Been there done that with our Navy.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:28 | 6501094 Mostly Harmless
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I don't see a laser spotter floating in the artic...but I do see a couple hundred satelites overhead, coastal patrol planes, and a few subs.  *Note: I beleive latest missle technology intergreates multiple and varied tracking systems in the terminal guidance phase, so having a laser to "ride" in to the target is probably not necessary.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:13 | 6501311 Payne
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You haven't been in the area before, cloud cover most of the day.

 

If you have a hot war scenario, wouldn't they shoot down the P-3 orion or any other aircraft ?

 

Americans are too reliant on quick technology answers to make them feel safe.  Most of our Technology does not work as well in real world scenarios.  Buggy, breaks, weather, etc etc.

 

Subs are great, we just don't have that many anymore.  We defunded the programs.

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 04:46 | 6503426 Element
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You didn't mention jitter issues over long range, and attenuation on oblique paths.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:10 | 6501316 angel_of_joy
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Satellites will be first to go in any serious conflict. That would take care of any GPS like orbital guidance system. Then you'll be down to floating laser spotters...

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:46 | 6501535 Countrybunkererd
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Then the US is completely screwed.  The people wouldn't be able to get anywhere, or even wake up without their latest stupid box in their hands.  All the civilian support industries that service the military would be rendered immediately out of service.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 19:15 | 6502089 angel_of_joy
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Well, tough shit ! It will be back to basics, for those who still remember how to navigate using inertial platforms, radios, and paper maps...

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 04:44 | 6503419 Element
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Delusional. The ones who are forced to resort to that are the ones who will be unable to fight, at all, because the one that has already solved the jamming and precision degradation problem are going to nail their enemy down in about an hour.

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 09:53 | 6504060 Max Steel
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Lol your lovable xceptional country murika is behind russia in EW , ECM skills . One hour ? Whatever sails your boat mp.net stronk user. Your delusions are quite awful . 

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 12:14 | 6504722 Element
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It's not a joke, it's been already done, been around in bits and bobs a few years now, but is now fully integrated in numerous systems, and long before Russia could even catch up to where we had been.

Newest nav systems, guidance systems, avionics, sensors, coms and network datalinks are all unjammable and uninterruptible. Now I know you don't know this, because you are a fucking hopeless moron, but I do know the Russian air force, navy and army now know it's true.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:49 | 6501546 Dugald
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Aw bugger! I was just about to buy a noo Raymarine chartplotter.....

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 05:10 | 6503412 Element
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Wrong, the US and Western powers now have large numbers of unjammable PGM bombs and missiles. It also developed new precision location and navigation tech that does not use GPS at all. I've posted details several times.

Also:

Not a problem if you have a high-volume surge rapid satellite launch capability for military satellites and an arsenal of SAT constellations pre-built and waiting to go.

Prototype currently under construction:

Inside The Roc's Lair
Feb 25, 2015 by Guy Norris in On Space
http://aviationweek.com/blog/inside-rocs-lair

Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgJFKUiuDBE

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 09:59 | 6503619 Max Steel
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AND THOSE bombs will be of no use when they will get shot down by sam's . US has global navigation system meanwhile Chinese are still working on making their navigation system Naixxxx to make it global. US still uses gps give that bs of new precision tech to someone else shoeboy , they went tattle -tailing when russians jammed one of their drone over crimea and their ops in e.europe . Once sats start blowing up nukes will blow in no time and you can't enjoy the luxury of sending new military sats in space just to restart the navigation once again . As I said earlier you have one sided knowledge and don't consider the other facts. Typical fanboy. 

 Most gps devices also use inertial guidance. So they could work under no satellite command, but much higher chance of missing their target. You shared shit  on any new navgation system.  The new system is Celestial Star navigation tech which both Russia and China have developed. Rather Russian  Tu-160 bombers now will use that navigation tech only . Update yourself idiot .


As for saying unjammible, that is a joke. They said same about the RQ-170 and also said it couldnt be detected due to stealth (and cost a billion), and it was landed by Iran, unharmed.

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 12:37 | 6504561 Element
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The new system is Celestial Star navigation tech which both Russia and China have developed.

Oh good grief!

The US was using Celestial Star navigation in the late 1960s and into the 1970s then replaced it with Navstar by the late 1970s you utter moron. It is used as a back up in some old systems. The West is now two full generations ahead of Russia and China, in this area!  LOL  :D  

Hey, just look up the star catalogs and find out who mapped them and created the databases from beginning until now, all done by the West.

While you are at it, look up VLBI - Very Long Baseline Interferometry - we have been doing this stuff for a VERY long time, with precision down as low as +/-1.5 mm. Yes, that's millimeters, not meters dumbshit!

...  just unbelievable levels of ignorance!  :D

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As early as the mid-1960s, advanced electronic and computer systems had evolved enabling navigators to obtain automated celestial sight fixes. These systems were used aboard both ships and US Air Force aircraft, and were highly accurate, able to lock onto up to 11 stars (even in daytime) and resolve the craft's position to less than 300 feet (91 m). The SR-71 high-speed reconnaissance aircraft was one example of an aircraft that used a combination of automated celestial and inertial navigation. These rare systems were expensive, however, and the few that remain in use today are regarded as backups to more reliable satellite positioning systems.

Intercontinental ballistic missiles use celestial navigation to check and correct their course (initially set using internal gyroscopes) while outside the Earth's atmosphere. The immunity to jamming signals is the main driver behind this apparently archaic technique.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_navigation#Modern_celestial_navi...

 

" A R C H A I C    T E C H N I Q U E "

But for Russia and China that's considered pretty cutting-edge stuff, you say? 

 

LOLOLOLOLLOLOPLOOhHhh *COUGH <GAG>

BBWRAAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

 

Two whole generations ahead - right now - moron!

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 05:06 | 6503431 Element
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Cruise Missile needs fixed targeting information.

 

No, they need moving target information on ships. GMTI can do it, but it can be jammed, so missile loses tracking. All new weapons now use muti mode tracking, and redundant nav and update path reliability to get to target.

What I can guarantee you is those ships are right this moment being shadowed and precision tracked from >500 km away, by an RQ4 at >70K feet, and they don't know it.

LRASM is already on the B1.

As you read this LRASM is undergoing pylon mods and software integration plus drop certification on the Super Hornet.

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=63381

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=63383

 

Those Chinese ships are totally pwned my friend.

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 08:04 | 6503624 Max Steel
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those subsonic lrasms are not an issue  they can be intercepted . Against China US EW Hornets will work or not i don't know but those jamming hornets are a joke against russian EWstuff

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 12:40 | 6504649 Element
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hahahahahah ... what a dumbfuck.

Look idiot, I'll give you a taste of the approach the Russian Navy is now taking to the USN:

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U.S., Ukraine kick off annual Black Sea exercise

By Lance M. Bacon, Staff writer 4:19 p.m. EDT September 2, 2015

Exercise Sea Breeze 2015

The U.S. Navy continues to wave its flag at Russia’s front door.

The United States and Ukraine on Sept. 1 launched exercise Sea Breeze 2015 in the Black Sea. Officials tout the 14th annual multinational exercise as a way to strengthen regional security in a volatile riven by Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea and the continuing civil war in Ukraine, which borders Russia.

The exercise’s at-sea phase will include maritime interdictions, anti-submarine warfare, air defense and self-defense against small boat attacks in the Black Sea — and will unfold under Russia’s watchful eye. A report from the Russian news agency Interfax said Russian intelligence is monitoring every move. For example, the Russian frigate Ladny was ordered to shadow destroyer Donald Cook when it entered the Black Sea in late August.

This came as no surprise to Vice Adm. James Foggo. In a Sept. 2 phone interview, the 6th Fleet boss said the U.S. Navy maintains a near-continuous presence in the Black Sea, and “nine times out of 10, a Russian warship [is] waiting for us.” This time, the Russian ship gave the added courtesy of hailing the Donald Cook, and the skipper by name, to welcome them into the Black Sea.

“While we are out there in close proximity, we keep an eye on them as they keep an eye on us,” said Foggo, a 1981 Naval Academy graduate and career submariner. “So far, it has been professional interaction. And I expect that.”

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Apparently the Russian Navy has decided it's not a good idea to be jerks with the USN in international waters of the Black Sea, as they might loose their entire damned surface fleet with a single false move.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:11 | 6500984 Smiddywesson
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Yes, the Millenium Challenge proved that.  It was a similated war game between the Blue forces (7th fleet) and the Red forces (Iran).  The sub commander in charge of the Red forces sunk our whole fleet.

 

Big and slow is yesterday's technology.  That's why battleships became obsolete when aircraft carriers came along, times changed. 

 

What are you going to do to protect a ship when 300 drones approach it from all sides, each capable of burrowing down and detonating below decks?  Answer:  Sink.

 

What are you ground pounders going to do when swarmed by 50 coffee can sized drones flying at 50 mph?  How do you shoot at that?  Answer:  Die.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:31 | 6501118 Oh regional Indian
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Bingo Smiddy, warfare has gone totally asymmetric now...lumbering white elephaunts will be used as sacrifical lambs unfortunately along with the "Nuclear Core" danger implied...

swords to plowshares anyone?

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:45 | 6501189 MansaMusa
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@Smiddywesson:  as if America doesn't have drones also?  Along with B2 bombers?  You sound like you need to stop drinking the Chinese Kool aid, those ships are no threat.  Americans are their own threat.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:20 | 6501390 Payne
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Too much video game playing !!!  300 drones in the Berring Sea all at the same time ??  Maybe 5, and those Tin Cans carrry a bunch of anti aircrart missles, chaff, flare and drones.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:35 | 6501468 BullyBearish
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SWARM

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:37 | 6501478 J Jason Djfmam
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Think we are tooling up H-K robots for the final battle?

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 20:03 | 6502213 Pickleton
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" an extravagant parade designed to showcase the country’s military prowess "

to finish the sentence...

 

, China sent a few ships that are likely 40 years old, they probably didn't even build, to burn coal off the coast of Alaska.

 

 

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 22:42 | 6502877 Antifaschistische
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this is hardly escalation...

escalation would be....let's say, shooting down a fat blue and white plane flying over alaska somewhere.  and although, this would be a tragedy of unimaginable proportions!!!......I'd get over it.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:39 | 6501505 Shad_ow
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"According to old Chinese maps the aleutians belong to China. They therefore need to establish bases to ensure peace and prosperity."

 

Don't give Barack any ideas, he'll be sending Kerry out next week to surrender them to China.

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 03:49 | 6503366 kappal_toba_dhu...
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And that is what they Chinese WILL SAY  in the near future. Why not? They have claimed almost everything else!

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 14:39 | 6500791 NoDebt
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Serious question- is he up there shooting an episode of a reality TV show?  I thought I heard that's why he's there.  He might be getting more "reality" than he can handle.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 14:43 | 6500812 John Law Lives
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It may be with Bear Grylls.  I saw a photo earlier today with the two of them up there.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:05 | 6500952 TeamDepends
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Calling all patriotic grizzly bears! You know what to do.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:53 | 6501230 FreeMoney
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Seriously....how much wookie could a guy stand before he went grizzly?

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 17:28 | 6501681 viahj
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or he needs a new Sasquach

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 23:12 | 6502988 WTFMOFO
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That would be a:

 

Reggie-Sas-"Crotch"

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:42 | 6501518 Freddie
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I love bears.  I guess that is why I like Putin and Russia.  I would love for a AK bear to........and save Amerika.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 19:34 | 6502124 e_goldstein
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Eat. Bear. Grylls.

Sorry, but Grizzly Man was some of the most hilarious shit I've seen in my lifetime. Would love to see a sequel.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 14:43 | 6500820 Stumpy4516
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the president, fresh off a weekend trip to the golf course, will "receive a crash course in survival techniques" from Grylls, presumably under the protective eye of the Secret Service.

Copied that from a media outlet.  A form of reality show.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 14:50 | 6500860 general ambivalent
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Bear Grylls, famous for drinking his own piss. Hopefully Obozo learns this technique.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:12 | 6500993 pods
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"So Bear, is this where I get to drink your pee?" Obama panted hopefully.

pods

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:16 | 6501018 Four chan
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obama's not gay, now repete.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:23 | 6501065 Tonald J Drump
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he's gayer than a big bag of dicks !

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:25 | 6501074 CheapBastard
Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:38 | 6501493 J Jason Djfmam
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Is he a false fag?

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:29 | 6501109 Took Red Pill
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"the president receive a crash course in survival techniques"

Does he know something we don't?

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:49 | 6501212 MansaMusa
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@Took Red Pill:  exactly my thoughts.   Obama in Alaska reminds me of Bush in Florida reading kindergarten books to kids;  false flag coming up soon...

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 03:24 | 6503346 Falling Down
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+1

 

Now that's just too funny.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 20:00 | 6502204 drendebe10
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A crash course in survival techniques for the fudgepacker is someone showI g the basturd what to do when there's no more K-Y Jelly. 

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 14:48 | 6500853 sleigher
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Reality insofar as Bear Grylls is reality TV.  I mean, I guess he is really on TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UpSlpvb1is

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:57 | 6501249 PTR
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Going long Les Straud.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 14:57 | 6500903 Athemos
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I think he hooked up with Sarah Palin on Ashley Madison.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:07 | 6500966 Hans-Zandvliet
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Read this, racist sucker:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chine...

Stil convinced of your Gringo-superiority?

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:18 | 6501034 pods
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"So sorry, we got rost."

They lobbed a missile from Catalina Island too.  

And stole scenes from Top Gun to promote the plane which design was stolen as well.

And they could hit us with MIRVs of a design that would have been stolen if not given over to them for donations.

The Chinese are bar none the best at copying shit.  I will give you that.

But, they did also sink a boat hand launching it, to much rejoice for us watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayKOlLhlQsc

pods

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:44 | 6501188 TSA Thug
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Maybe if we stole some land in the middle east and gave it to China along with a full complement of military equipment, along with permission to control our currency, along with, well, everything, they'd be our besties.

Maybe.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:43 | 6501519 Dancing Disraeli
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Hey!  We stole that land with our own two hands!

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 04:18 | 6503393 Dis-obey
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bought it from the czar and his ministers.   Anastasia screamed in vain. 

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:29 | 6501108 Salah
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damn right.  that would be a good test of Chinese seamanship

Thu, 09/03/2015 - 04:16 | 6503391 Dis-obey
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iceberg! hard to starboard

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 22:02 | 6502691 Herp and Derp
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Sorry to top post but CCTV is live casting their military parade right now - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfxpKdAJYvY&feature=youtu.be

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 14:50 | 6500859 Grinder74
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Sum Ting Wong!

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 23:18 | 6503016 WTFMOFO
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We down voted some folks!

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 23:20 | 6503021 WTFMOFO
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Dupe.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:21 | 6501038 WillyGroper
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Neveryoumindtho, we gots us some new real estate investors paid for by peeps.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:28 | 6501098 CheapBastard
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True, dat. Probably lots of RE investors brought over by the NAR under cover of Chinee warships for a sneak/purchase attack on Vancouver and Seattle to buy up any remaining multi-million dollar apartments and condos.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 15:33 | 6501134 J Jason Djfmam
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Sarah Palin can see them from her back porch.

Wed, 09/02/2015 - 16:22 | 6501398 Margobolo
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Don't worry about chinese ships, what could possibly go wrong?

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