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Flashpoint: White House Confirms Russian Presence In Syria, Warns It Is "Destabilizing"
Two days ago we reported something which we had anticipated for a long time but nonetheless did not expect to take shape so swiftly: namely, that with Assad's regime close to collapse and fighting a war on three different fronts (one of which is directly supported by US air and "advisor" forces), Putin would have no choice but to finally intervene in the most anticipated showdown in recent history as "Russian fighter pilots are expected to begin arriving in Syria in the coming days, and will fly their Russian air force fighter jets and attack helicopters against ISIS and rebel-aligned targets within the failing state."
This was indirectly confirmed the very next day when an al-Nusra linked Twitter account posted pictures of a Russian drone and a Su-34 fighter jet - the kind which is not flown by the Syrian air force - flying over the Nusra-controlled western idlib province.
Another twitter account said to have captured Russian soldiers in Zabadani "while fighting for Assad"
Also, one day after our report, the Telegraph reported that "Syrian state TV reportedly broadcasts footage of Russian soldiers and armoured vehicle fighting alongside pro-Assad troops." According to the article, "the video footage claimed to show troops and a Russian armoured vehicle fighting Syrian rebels alongside President Bashar al-Assad's troops in Latakia. It is reportedly possible to hear Russian being spoken by the troops in the footage."
It added that "a Russian naval vessel was photographed heading south through the Bosphorus strait carrying large amounts of military equipment, according to social media and a shipping blog" while "an unnamed activist with the Syrian rebel group the Free Syrian Army told The Times: “The Russians have been there a long time."
"There are more Russian officials who came to Slunfeh in recent weeks. We don’t know how many but I can assure you there has been Russian reinforcement.” "
Then earlier today we got the closest thing to a confirmation from the White House itself which confirmed that "it was closely monitoring reports that Russia is carrying out military operations in Syria, warning such actions, if confirmed, would be "destabilising and counter-productive."
Obama spokesman Joshn Earnest essentially confirmed Russia was already operating in Syria when he said that "we are aware of reports that Russia may have deployed military personnel and aircraft to Syria, and we are monitoring those reports quite closely."
"Any military support to the Assad regime for any purpose, whether it's in the form of military personnel, aircraft supplies, weapons, or funding, is both destabilising and counterproductive."
And another confirmation: "a US official confirmed that "Russia has asked for clearances for military flight to Syria," but added "we don't know what their goals are."
"Evidence has been inconclusive so far as to what this activity is."
Other reports have suggested Russia has targeted Islamic State group militants, who have attacked forces loyal to Russian-backed Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad.
Both the White House and the Pentagon refused to say whether they had intelligence suggesting the reports were accurate.
Of course, what is left unsaid is that since Russia is there under the humanitarian pretext of fighting the evil ISIS, the same pretext that the US, Turkey, and the Saudis are all also there for, when in reality everyone is fighting for land rights to the most important gas pipeline in decades, the US is limited in its diplomatic recoil.
Indeed as we sarcastically said last week: "See: the red herring that is ISIS can be used just as effectively for defensive purposes as for offensive ones. And since the US can't possibly admit the whole situation is one made up farce, it is quite possible that the world will witness its first regional war when everyone is fighting a dummy, proxy enemy which doesn't really exist, when in reality everyone is fighting everyone else!"
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Which now effectively ends the second "foreplay" phase of the Syrian proxy war (the first one took place in the summer of 2013 when in a repeat situation, Russia was supporting Assad only the escalations took place in the naval theater with both Russian and US cruisers within kilometers of each other off the Syrian coast), which means the violent escalation phase is next. It also means that Assad was within days of losing control fighting a multi-front war with enemies supported by the US, Turkey and Saudi Arabia, and Putin had no choice but to intervene or else risk losing Gazprom's influence over Europe to the infamous Qatari gas pipeline which is what this whole 3 years war is all about.
Finally, it means that the European refugee crisis, which is a direct consequence of the ISIS-facilitated destabilization of the Syrian state (as a reminder, ISIS is a US creation meant to depose of the Syrian president as leaked Pentagon documents have definitively revealed) is about to get much worse as 2013's fabricated "chemical gas" YouTube clip will be this years "Refugee crisis." It will be, and already has been, blamed on Syria's president Assad in order to drum up media support for what is now an inevitable western intervention in Syria.
The problem, however, has emerged: Russia is already on the ground, and will hardly bend over to any invading force.
Finally, while we have no way of knowing how the upcoming armed conflict will progress, now may be a safe time to take profits on that oil short we recommended back in October, as the geopolitical chess game just shifted dramatically, and with most hedge funds aggressively short, any realization that the middle east is suddenly a far more violent powderkeg - one which may promptly include the Saudis in any confrontation - could result in an epic short squeeze.
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I suspect the SU-35 line might be working 24/7 right about now, along with the line pumping out S-XXX missile batteries like Khrushchev's proverbial 'sausages'... I think the Russian's know this all isn't just going to die down and end politely.
The Russians in a war, has pachyderm of subtlety.
Your step fuck all ...
If they are there (Saker says no), believe me, there will not be any stone unturned ...
Last week there was news that an F-16 and two Israeli helicopters were shot down in Syrian space.
If true, a sign that S-300 and good intelligence are already there.
There are more things in heaven and earth than you think our vain assumption on the keyboard.
hehe.
If you stop and think about it - Mr. Putin has really hung his proverbial *ss in the breeze with this deployment. The Russians are subjecting themselves to the risk of taking major casualties in Syria. Everybody else is. Putin is really staking a LOT on this gamble. This is a Make or Break for his political career.
How hard is it to carpet bomb ISIS?
USA doesn't want to do it because ISIS is doing the USA's dirtywork.
I hope you won't ruin threads like yesterday.
He justs makes the same posts over and over in all threads until 50% of all zerohedge posts are Fuck Israel Isis is CIA etc.
Well, ISIS is CIA/Mossad so what's the problem? The Pentagon leak confirmed this. It was also widely broadcast that the US was shipping them weapons from Libya via Turkey before Benghazi happened, then that story was never mentioned again.
Again, what is the problem?
That 50% of all posts is too much. At tops, 2%.
I don't think Russians will hinder themselves with some stupid "Rules of Engagement" crap.
If a Russian presence puts an end to the west acting as ISIS airforce and resupply logistics unit then ISIS withers on the vine.
"White House Confirms Russian Presence In Syria, Warns It Is "Destabilizing"
A pot calls a kettle,
Ck the GDX Speedo to see what GDX thinks of this development
http://denaliguidesummit.blogspot.ca/2015/09/gdx-ring-speedo-for-sept-3-posted.html
Obama and Bush, how did we do in Iraq?
LOL, All F'd up you say?
"A pot calls a kettle"
Hardly.
ISIS is a Zionazi proxy force. Their airforce (our 'brave' NATO fliers) bombs Syrian government targets after flying through Syrian airspace without permission of the legitimate Syrian government.
Russia is there with permission of the legimate Syrian government.
Finally, someone will actually fight the ISIS over there. *looking at the US and Turkey
Thank God for Russia.
The published images are absolutely meaningless; it could be anything, shot anywhere, made by anyone.
One thing is clear, we see a lot of hard hitting, emotional images of Syrian refugees all over the place. This means only one thing - the western herd is getting primed for some serious shit.
Sometimes it is prudent to read history and carefully consider the consequences of your actions. To quote Lord Palmerston (English Statesman, 1784-1865) “Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests.” Clearly, Russia has “interests” in Syria as its only Naval base in the Mediterranean is located in Tartus, Syria. Relevance to the US- It takes 10 calories of energy to produce 1 calorie of food in the US. Further, the average food comodity travels 1500 miles from production point to consumpton point (read CA strawberries in NYC). Obviously, energy infrastructure in the US will be prime (soft) targets in any military confrontation with Russia/China. Something to ponder.
Assad is a fucking retard, just listen to him speak FFS.
haha listen to the retard Obomber or the other retard Bush r. or the retard ''Equalizer''
Assad is eye doctor, gentleman and good leader.
As long as you're not a former farmer who lost his land to drought and move to the city and can't find a job to feed your kids.
Then he's not such a sweetheart as he calls out the troops to shoot you in the face when you have the temerity to complain that maybe he should do something to help your family for all the taxes he collected from you...
Other than that, he's a swell guy.
That's not to say that any other country has a right to bomb the fuck out of Syria because they don't like Assad.
But we all know that whether Assad is a good or bad guy is not the issue at all.
ISIS is a common enemy. We should be happy Russia is destroying ISIS.
The US is still smarting from screwing up Iraq. We should left Saddam in there to keep all the factions in line.
Must we mess up every country?
ISIS is CIA/Mossad
Same for Libya. We had Gadaffi in his cage, and he kept law and order, even gave liberties to the Libyan women few enjoy in other Islamic countries.
But Hillary and Obuttfuck had to do him in. I still have a vision in my mind of her kneeling beside his dead body, licking the blood from the floor, the looking at the camera with her crazy eyes and saying: "We came, we saw, and he died".
(Cue the hideous cackle)
Gosh yogi, do you think the supposedly richest, highly developed, most power nation in the history of the universe could go around fucking up things with such regularity and it is all just a coincidence?
None of this has happened by accident.
The Chinese were watching Obummer in Alaska from their war ships.
http://russia-insider.com/en/society/meet-american-chef-and-cheese-maker...
Let's see. USA/NATO can lob over 200 cruise missiles against Libya overnight but can't seem to hit ISIS who parades around in broad daylight beheading people. (supposedly).
An astute observation.
You see, I can separate the wheat from the chaff....
An embassy gets overrun and the ambassador get ass raped and murdered+ 4 dead heroic seals. But hey, what difference does it make?
Those 'heroic' seals were part of a scheme to provide weapons to those who became ISIS in Syria via the CIA handler who was killed.
Could be. Who knows what these victims of our politicians scemes were truley sacrificed.for.....
I dont believe for a minute they obeyed an order that said "Hey, we need you guys to die today for.no useful reason, okay?"
I feel so sorry for the President,Saudis, Halliburton and gas pipeline people who needed ISIS to weedwhack their path to profits
If the current situation is the USA mental view of stability then we need de-stabilization.
According to DC the rebels there are freedom fighters...But The (potential) rebels here are domestic terrorists.
just as the women and children of East Ukraine are terrorists and only worthy of being bombed by the junta DC-controlled leaders in Kiev...
US warns Russian presence in Syria de-stabilizing- So Americans do get "Irony" after all
Any "Official" release from the Whitehouse, Assad or the Kremlin? Barclay (Bank) brothers (Daily Telegraph) have an agenda and Twitter is hardly reliable. Statements like "A US Official confirmed" dont cut it for me. The photos could have been taken anywhere. Russian made weapons in-country and Russian Forces in-country are 2 different things. I aint buying it (for now).
Another proxy conflict leading us up to the main event yet to come.
I thought all those guys were running around in East Ukraine.
Damn Russians are like cockroaches.
They're everywhere The MSM looks.
Article and video about Syrian troops filmed preparing for an attack. The article notes some Russian phrases being used. So some militarily trained Russian-speaking Syrians have gone home to defend their homeland against Zionazism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK0m9a6JJ80
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.nz/2015/09/are-russians-fighting-in-syria-vi...
Those Mig-31s with Russian trained Syrian pilots will mess up the Zionist arial ISIS resupply scheme. Also any attempts to helicopter in /out special forces.
I guess there were maybe 40,000 Russians in Syria before this started,
many intermarry with Syrians....
That's a nice sized armed and trained force. Good luck to them and Syria.
For those young ZH readers, this is how the US free press bullshit looked like in the midst of the Cold War, a black propaganda for fearful little chicken nation, even before the internet if you can imagine that, long time ago, little bit after the Middle Ages.
Back to the future. Are you ready to die fighting Christian Orthodox commies?
For the real news and opinions about what's going down in the European geopolitics:
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/ukrainian-war-update/
re Russian presence in Syria is destabilizing
So says ZIO-Thug USSA, the planet's premier psycho-punk... that prefers its prey - à la Gaddafi - prostrate on a silver platter.
Tyler,
Please post the physical material evidence and testable substantiation's that you actually have confirming your theory that an alleged Qatari pipeline was, or is to be built, through Syria, and that this has germinated, triggered and developed the 'Arab Spring' in Syria, so we can all see if it's borne out by actual fact, and is not just a personal fantasy of your own, that you're cynically using for propaganda purposes, with no evidence and testing, at all.
Which is after all, is exactly what Veterans Today's Gordon Duff did and to falsely attack the West. So show us that you are not just doing the same thing if you're so adamant that you boldly claim repeatedly things like;
This "... infamous Qatari gas pipeline ..." is apparently 100% a figment of your imagination and a source of faulty logic and baseless arguments and conspiracy theories, and unsubstantiated blame, that is being created and spread by Tyler Durden, on the internet.
Is that your entire case and reasoning for the Syrian conflict?
Because you have provided zero evidence to support it so far, and it appears to be 100% made-up fiction-soaked nonsense. There never has been any evidence that any such allegedly "infamous" Qatari pipeline project or plan was ever proposed.
The only thing becoming 'infamous' is you failure to materially substantiate anything that you say about that apparent fictional nothing.
So the ball is in your court, as I've read your prior posts on the topic, and their claims, and I have even commented at the time (at length in some of them), challenging that theory which you spread and promote. And I have asked you, back then, for material evidence but you have never produced any that I know of.
Plus you have totally ignored all contrary arguments and points being made by multiple people that contradict your conspiracy theory claims, in those older posts. You just discount and totally ignored them.
So I'm forced to DIRECTLY call your 'personal' credibility and motives into question, regarding your claims and assertions, and you refusing to justify the damage and implications online.
At the moment you seem to have simply embarked on an anti-western crusade, and a pro-Putin sympathetic view, and are feeding into half-baked brainless conspiracy theories over the Internet, and appear not at all interested in getting at the truth of the question of an alleged Qatar gas pipeline project, that no one know anything material about, as the certain causation for the conflict's germination and development to this day.
If you want to be taken seriously ever again, or retain any shred of credibility on the topic of the Middle East, it's up to you to confront and challenge your own baseless beliefs, biases and claims. If you have no evidence and simply continue to make those assertions and mislead people, then you must be regarded accordingly.
Crossposted: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-03/europes-refugee-crisis-out-cont...
Its not about a pipeline , its about the USA/Israel controlling the region. all for the ZioNazis of Israel that believe in a GREATER ISRAEL>
I hate to give you credit for having some brains, but the evidence is on your side, to some extent, as this was a speech given at Lowy's place, two nights ago, where it was clearly stated that the US is equally committed to an enduring security presence in the ME, as in the Asia-Pacific area. (i.e. not particularly Pacific pivot biased, in a way that would undermine operations in the ME in any way, nor weaken in the Pacific and Indian), which appears to be the point of the speech, namely, to put and end to speculations (in both regions) about what the US intends to do.
Essentially they intend to treat the two regions as one continuum strategic domain (or try to balance that aim):
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Lowy Lecture 2015: General (Ret.) David Petraeus AO | Lowy Institute for International Policy
Nothing regarding a greater Israel plan, of course. But I think we can safely say, historically, that whenever Israel has had a dominant military attack and defense capability, it has relentlessly used it to attack those who can not deter Israel effectively, or strike them back equally, or survive trying.
Which is a good reason to ensure Israel doesn't obtain more unbalanced (dominant) conventional capability than necessary in the region, that would allow them to act in that way once again. But that is probably wishful thinking.
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Combine it with this, and the intentions are more clearly stated, the Pentagon's just published comprehensive regional and Asia maritime area review of strategy:
Asia Pacific Maritime Security Strategy Aug 2015. PDF
Ah. Yes. Israel on the attack. It is why Jordan and Egypt have made peace with them. And Israel and Egypt and Jordan have kept it. And Egypt is squeezing Gaza.
Israel doesn't have enough manpower to control the ME. Even if they wanted to.
That is not what I said, I didn't claim that, the person I replied to did. What I said was this, and this only:
If you disagree I think I can substantiate that much, with little difficulty.
They are rolling out their greater israel fantasy. It's crystal blue sky fact right in front of people. One doesn't need paragraph after paragraph of fluff disguised as intellectual debate. It's right there in front of everyone's nose. Millions upon millions of death since 9/11 to roll out this INSANE proposition. All else is contrived propaganda and noise.
The greater Israel fantasy only includes the "territories". They don't have the manpower for much else.
While I would love Russia to step in so somebody, at long last, does something serious against the ISIL bastards, this sounds like plain bogus. Why would Russia lie about going to fight this pest?
As of yesterday, the Kremlin denied getting into that mess. One wonders what would have been wrong about stating they were going, since we all agree ISIL is a big bad bogeyman that needs to be fought, don't we all, and nobody would dare pretend otherwise?
"Also, one day after our report, the Telegraph reported that "Syrian state TV reportedly broadcasts footage of Russian soldiers"
"reportedly"? Can nobody in their well-funded offices watch and make sure the Syrian State TV is broadcasting anything of the sort? They are too poor to pay for cable TV, so they have to rely on "reports" and publish the same two or three Twitter pics as everybody else?
Puh-leeze.
Actually read what the Russians said.
Lying no.
Cagey - yes.
Who can blame them?
Russians can be very clever
and not scared of much
Proof of their cleverness is the 70 or so years spent as the USSR. Further proof is that they are a resource power but not an industrial, agricultural, or computer power.
Are they even known for their oil refineries and plastic production?
They make weapons. But that is about it as far as industry goes.
spit and drivel, purposeful illogic, lies and just inane babbling.
Well some links to the great Russian agricultural machine - which imports food.
Or the well known Russian refinery companies. I read the plastic journals. The Russian presence - machinery or raw materials is nil.
How about the great Russian electronics companies. I read those journals too. China advertises. Japan advertises. Russia? Nil.
So I'd like to learn. some links please.
The USA has made several millions of humans dead.
The industry of zion.
Most are missing the bigger picture here. Nobody gives a sh1t about Syria, but you have to do Syria to get to Iran. You do Iran to get to Russia and finally Russia to get to China.
The USA cannot defeat a bunch of goat herders and even after 10 years of carpet bombing Vietnam, couldn't win.
Russia has 9 times zones. It will be fun to see how American troops and their boyfriends (gay is legal now). do in Russia.
Aint going to happen BUM. The USSA is going to be slowly fucked over by Russia & China & about time.
Wake the fuck up
Oh boy! Confirmed hoax/PSYOP. Just like Jade Helm.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/03/hoax-week-sockpuppet-aviation-ex...
To any charging VT dis-info, then produce valid rebutal with evidence or STFU!
Please, just please produce any other publication that can claim the following staff and contributors:
IN MEMORIAM – Missing but not forgotten…And Tylers, can you please also start focusing your attention on the ball?
https://app.box.com/s/hfgvcqg7gqh7i27at6sv53ywu87lwarp
Start with 11 minute teaser. Follow bread crumbs from there. Any child can do it ..
David Kelly.British scientist.
Murdered by Tony Blair
I would settle for Tylers adding an Ajax login to ZH.
id settle for the tylers fixing the comments style system so you
dont
get
posts
that
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this
@http://www.zerohedge.com/users/jcdenton
Oh I get it. You have all the correct answers and can provide every possible proof and resource/explaination why the USA would plunder nation after nation in the middle east killing untold millions of non combatants. You can prove with undeniable links and *reliable* connected first hand proof, that our military is on a mission to keep us all *Safe* from *TERRORISTS*, that we in turn have created.
I would agree this headline is click bait, but having said this, apparently you feel Tyler must do all the foot work for you, using a computer and the internet, that you obviously are using to type this bullshit.
EXPLAIN yourself, prove it. Make sure you provide every possible link and prove that you have all the correct anaylsis...
while you are at it, prove creation, prove the meaning of life, and prove E=MC squared, back it all up. I would just love to see your skill set knowing you have nothing but all the correct answers with verifiable proof.
Does Bill know you are in Hillary's bedroom? Oh I suppose he does, why would he give a shit?
If Daesh soldiers start showing up w/o any heads on their bodies, you will know Speznaz is there.
The USA/Israel is nervous that Russians will find out the truth ,that the USA is actually funding ISIS while saying they are fighting them.
Most of the world knows the truth about ISIS. 'cept those that are stuck in the MSM fog of deception.
trust me from what ive read you still have people who either cant or dont want to connect the dots between all these removal of ME ditactors and the hell that follows after. In fact some of them see it all as just one big coincidence, like not linking a light bulb to a light switch whenever it gets flicked on.
Russian sub spotted near King Bay base
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/u-s-shadowing-russian-ship-in-at...
So there is a God.
I thank him for Vladimir Putin.
But not half a much as the Syrians and other peoples under NATO attack and mass slaughter must be thanking him.
And trusting him to destroy the US/NATO Islamic State terrorists.
Edgar Cayce said that Russia was the hope for the world.
It looks increasing true.
Certainly for the victims of the US/NATO/Israel and their policies of mass murder and destruction of states..
There is no God. There IS economic interest.
It is just a commercial dispute.
USA/Israel to Russia
''Stop interfering in our slow genocide''.
"White House Confirms Russian Presence In Syria, Warns It Is Destabilizing"
NONSENSE - this is a HUGE opportunity !
I would make an alliance with Putin to eradicate ALL the islamic cult worshiper vermin from the entire region, and divide up the land and resources between USA and Russia.
Then NO MORE problems from the islamic cult worshiper vermin !
"Then NO MORE problems from the islamic cult worshiper vermin !"
Then what do you do with TFJ cult worshipping vermin?
We had better hope there isn't "NO MORE problems from the islamic cult worshiper vermin" because we are scheduled up next.
You wanker ! Why is the USA entitled to any fucking thing ? They started this whole shit fight & deserve to run like they do whenever the heat goes up. The USA does NOT rule the planet even though they think they do. The days of reckoning are coming -- bring it on !
The USA does NOT rule the planet even though they think they do.
I have a feeling your view of the USA in this regard is shared by a whole lot of people in the world these days.
@OZZIDOWNUNDER
@Dickweed Wang
@all other vestigial brain morons
The islamic-cult handbook, ie koran, REQUIRES all followers to FORCIBLY convert or kill all non-followers, ie the islamic cult IS a MILITARY doctrine of of conquest, domination, oppression, suppression and subjugation, which is how this cult spread all over the world in more than a millenia.
Therefore ANY and ALL actions against the islamic cult and ALL the cult followers by ANYONE for ANY reasons constitute INTELLIGENT SELF-DEFENSE,
AND
is just doing to the islamic cult worshipers what the islamic cult doctrine requires its cult followers to do to non-islamic cult worshipers AND have been doing for centuries, ie conquest, subjugation, rape, plunder, coercion, subjugation, destruction, and murder.
Try using what little brains you imbeciles have, I know that it is painfully challenging, but with effort you may yet rise above subhuman intellectual ability.
Russia is the preferred and reliable supplier of oil and gas for Europe.
We don't need no fucking ISIL, SemiticSIL, WahhabiSIL pipeline.
Iran can ship straight over the border and link to South Stream.
Go, Putin.
So what happens at Budapest station?
Are the refugees singing Putin's praises?
We should ask the people on the run who their friends are.
I'm sure the answer will be like trying to untie the Gordian knot; aka The blind leading the blind.
Somebody has to CU<t it!
As this game is getting destabilising for the Euro continent as well the whole region. Now the rich nations have their SKIN on the line.
And it AINT the US, thats for sure. (who's gonna cut that knot).
The US (as well their local allies) have MADE IT ! So WHY should they cut it?
The biggest and most obvious question in History is WHY?
And all the SHILLS talk about is HOW and WHO/WHEN...When you listen to the MSM on Teevee all your hear is : "We are fighting a war with "global terrorism" and the only question is not IF but WHEN they will hit us again"... As far as causality and historicial context is concerned NOT A WORD ! Its total DENIAL on the causality front!
When you get the issue of WHY by its devilish tail the rest becomes clearer; ALWAYS !
But then WHO WRITES HISTORY?
The MIC shills always hope it'll be THEY as then they can TWIST the devil's tail from TRUTH to LEGEND. In this day and age we should not let that happen.
Its the only thing that we can truly contribute to : that they don't rewrite history to suit their psychopathic ambitions.
American meddling is destabilizing and counter-productive.
"American meddling is destabilizing and counter-productive" - - spot on -they've meddled & killed for far to long - Great to see the Russians there openly -at last. What a laugh to say its destablising --ha ha.
Looks like SAKER got it wrong in his article several days ago.
But these comments out of Washington really take the biscuit:
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"...it [the White House] was closely monitoring reports that Russia is carrying out military operations in Syria, warning such actions, if confirmed, would be "destabilising and counter-productive."
"Any military support to the Assad regime for any purpose, whether it's in the form of military personnel, aircraft supplies, weapons, or funding, is both destabilising and counterproductive." "
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Am I really expected to believe that Washington's military operations are stabilising and Russia's are destabilising?
I still think the Saker got it right: The grainy images, that are probablly depicting some video game. The ‘tweets’ from an al-Nusra?!...The White House confirmation?!.. Since when any of these became a credible source?
As I have mentioned few times before, I really would like it to be true but, as of now, the "evidence" cannot be taken seriosly. It all looks too cartoony and childish.
Indeed. you may be right. "Truth is the first victim in war."
That said, there are grounds for Russia to intervene in Syria given what's at stake. If Putin loses Assad, the Qatar gas pipeline gets built and Russia/Gazprom lose out big time. It all depends on whether Putin is willing to fight a proxy war with Washington & Co...
Those are RuAF aircraft, but who knows where the photos were shot.
I'm proud of those Russians, they are the light of whats free in the world.
The Russians are doing just what Assad's opposition is doing. Fighting for their interest.
I think it would be better for Russia to win. But I have no delusions about their high mindedness.
Once again the western elites create a monster through their incompetence and dereliction of duty. And once again it falls to Russia to clean up the mess.
Not that she'll ever get the credit.
Russia is not cleaning up any mess. It is fighting for its interests. Same as the other guys.
I am looking forward to Russia showing the US who is the big dog in the sky. Bring it, Pootin.
For Russia to intervene at this late stage .... tells me Assad is in trouble .... and explains the "Surge" in refugees ?
Russia has called for an alliance to fight ISIS - and also have recently taken the chair at the UNSC.
They will not act without UN support as they support international law and sovereign rights.
They are superb diplomats and if an alliance including any of Iran, China, Egypt, Lebanon or Jordan could be pieced together the blessings of the U.N. may not be far behind.
This would complicate the already sensless and illegal NATO/US operation.
Vlads good at public relations, Neuland and and the US not so much.
Assad´s people .... who aren´t volunteering to fight .... are fearful of the Islamic orthodoxy .... they should have made nice with Israel .... like Jordan and Egypt ?
That Russian "Humvee" .... reminds me of my KIA Soul .... well endowed with big tires .... for it´s size ? Edit: My KIA has 195 70R 15 tires .... not bad for a car that barely cracks 2400 pounds .... 600 pounds per tire before I get in !
The Russians are coming! the Russians are coming!...two if by sea...blah blah blah. For one we know we can't put any trust in anything that comes out of the W.H. Two, the Russians under their law cannot send troops and do not want to send tropps but will send/sell war material. This is a bullshit story for war propaganda means to further send aid to ISIS at American taxpayer's expense!
Why don't the Europeans just frack their way out of dependence?
A down vote is not an answer.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Nowhere on earth is this more true-to-life than in the U.S. American Left's use of academic "law" to nullify deadly force against the bloody Islamic horde. Here is a description:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/09/treason-of-the-professors.php
Academics & political leaders of The Left are perfect monsters of duplicity. Their New Deal & Great Society legislation constructed an efficient bureaucratic tyranny of tax-support & political cover for their ghastly projects. Slaughter & butchery for profit of infant humans best exemplifies the Left's depravity. Here is a description:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/the_little_hand.html
Nobody on this side of Heaven or Hell is perfect. The Left exploits ordinary human imperfections of ignorance & weakness with gainsaying mollycoddle talk of fairness & equality; they artfully exploit ordinary human imperfection with implacable malevolent intent. It is the art of depravity.
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Sadly, ZH comments have been overwhelmend. Shills now drench the section with their spit and drivel, purposeful illogic, lies and just inane babbling.
Shame, the comments used to be fertile ground, no more. Too many weeds.
Too much hate and desire. Not enough cold calculating. You can't do business without the ability for unemotional calculating.
What we have here is a commercial dispute gone hot. My prefernce is for Russia - in this case. But to see it as anything but a commercial dispute is to cloud the mind.
OTOH I'd like to see Europe develop its own gas supplies.
1Timothy 6:10 "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
How's the money-grubbin new world order working out? Not too well at all; not even for the so-called winners. Things will get worse and then they'll get bad. But do go right on & BTFD
Those planes aren't real. They're model airplanes.
Flashpoint...Putin declares that US presence in the world is destabilizing..
White House confirms. So what.
I don't believe anything that the government or CNN, Fox News or the MSM tells me. I remember 35 minutes after the MH-17 crash Barry holding a news conference blaming Putin and Russia. Total bullshit. And I also remember Colin Powell's presentation at the UN selling the world on the bullshit story about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.