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NATO Opens (Another) Command Post Near Russian Border; Kremlin Warns Against "Cold War Logic"
As documented here earlier this week, things are blowing up in Ukraine again - literally.
On Monday, after a preliminary vote in parliament in favor of a constitutional amendment granting rebel-held territories increased autonomy (a condition of Minsk II), a volunteer fighter from the Svoboda Party’s Sich Battalion lobbed a grenade at Ukrainian National Guard soldiers killing three and injuring more than 100.
The violence underscores the extent to which Ukraine’s fiercely nationalist volunteer battalions (some of which have called for the establishment of a "Christian Taliban" and the burning of Moscow) are in no way, shape, or form prepared to accept any compromise which they feel undermines the effort to push back against the Russian-backed separatists operating in the east.
On a more general level, Monday’s events draw a line under the fact that this is one proxy war which isn’t about to die down meaning tensions between Moscow and the West are set to remain elevated for the foreseeable future.
Meanwhile, Moscow has refused to participate in a restructuring of Ukraine’s debt. As we detailed earlier this week, Moscow is holding out for full payment on a $3 billion loan Vladimir Putin made to Ukraine in 2013 in a failed attempt to support then-President Viktor Yanukovych. Of course Yanukovych was run out of the country last year following a wave of John McCain-attended protests and so as you might imagine, the Kremlin was not at all pleased with the prospect of taking a 20% upfront hit from a debtor country with which Russia is now essentially at war.
As you can see, deescalation is simply not in the cards here and now, less than three months after deploying heavy weapons in Poland and conducting war games that looked suspiciously like a rehearsal for a Ukraine siege, NATO has opened a new command post in Lithuania. Here’s WSJ with the story:
The North Atlantic Treaty Organization inaugurated a new command post in Vilnius Lithuania on Thursday, one of six across the alliance’s eastern border meant to shore up the region’s defenses against Russia.
For first time, the new command posts put a permanent—but very small—alliance presence on the border of Russia, a move that has rankled Moscow but which NATO leaders hope will deter Vladimir Putin from stirring unrest.
For the alliance, the new headquarters are meant to create a NATO presence without violating its 1997 promise not to permanently station troops on Russia’s borders.
In addition to Lithuania, the other small headquarters are located in Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria. Because the alliance hasn't traditionally operated in those countries, U.S. officials said work needs to be done to speed up the ability to move equipment to those countries. The first task of the new headquarters, officials said, is to try to tackle those logistical problems.
In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenbergsaid the new headquarters, formally known as NATO Force Integration Units, will improve the alliance’s ability to reinforce
American and others’ training forces in Lithuania and the other Baltic states, he said.
Coupled with other measures like the new rapid-reaction spearhead force and stepped-up exercises, the new headquarters will help increase the collective defense of the alliance.
“All this together makes sure we have credible deterrence,” he said.
Yes, and "all this together" also makes sure that the tension between the West and Moscow has virtually no hope of subsiding and will continue to approximate that seen during the Cold War. But don’t listen to us, just ask Moscow:
The Russian ambassador to NATO, Alexander Grushko, said the opening of the new units will feed “an artificially created confrontation” with Russia. He accused the alliance of fomenting tensions with Moscow and following “the logic of the Cold War.”
“It runs counter to genuine interests of the European and regional security,” he said in a statement.
So in sum, NATO continues to open forward command posts along Russia's border as Ukrainian ultra-nationalists who were originally emboldened by John McCain's high profile presence at Maidan are now lobbing grenades at parliament, while Putin is in Beijing attending Xi's military parade and the Chinese navy is operating off the coast of Alaska for the first time in history.
Thank you Nobel Peace Price winning Commander in Chief.
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Have to ask yourself the question...
"Do I feel lucky"?... Well do ya punk!!!
Hey! I'm bored. I got an idea! Let's go poke that bear in the eye with a sharp stick.
"Hold my beer: watch this!"
Neocons make me want to believe in religion . . . so I could know that all those warmongering a$$holes will burn in hell.
I think Putin is playing this one well. The US needs someone to lash out somewhere. Everyone knows this is a slow motion trainwreck. Both sides are trying to wait the other out.
"Sitzkrieg"
Ferguson, Baltimore, Chicago....................
That's a really stupid idea to antagonize a proven world power for no good reason. Must be more West Point leadership.
Damn shame.
I was getting psyched about renouncing my U.S. citizenship for "Liberland" but I think the South Pole might be a better prospect at this juncture!
Probably the only safe place on the planet.
And you never need worry about running out of ice for your scotch there either.
And you never need worry about running out of ice for your scotch there either.
With or without that trip... "Stay thirsty and drunk my friend"!...
And if there is all out nuclear war, with the majority of the nukes exploding in the northern hemisphere, the energy release might be enough to tilt the Earth on its axis a little bit more, making the South Pole a tropical paradise.
well, they say:
What does not kill you, make you strong...
except for Bears...Bears will kill you
And if hungry enough, they will eat you.
I'm sorry, the 'bear' is a nationalistic stereo-type, not reality. A more accurate national mascot would be a pissed out of his wits peasant falling on his arse and being unable to rise without falling over a few more times.
Where was yer bear in 1995? The Eagle and wolf never left and are not afraid of anything you've got, most of which is junk saved from a boneyard via cutting out the rust and repainting it. lol
it is tradition to underestimate russians. are you the kind of guy who would put on his winter clothes and go there and get in a fight with them?
or a kind of person that would send others to do that, telling them it is going to be walk in a park?
oh blow it out your rear passage! LOL :D
kind of tells what your issue is with Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMLO5Bq6dpM
What do you think flying up to the UK or Dutch EEZ at low level, near supersonic, in a Tu160 and the transponder switched off will get you?
Yeah ... this ... or much, MUCH worse.
......... It's called international airspace spindoctor.
What NATO is doing is entirely within NATO and allied territory.
Touché.
Pootie appears to have wanted this situation to develop it seems. Or maybe he doesn't really appreciate how much he's fucked up.
and so do Russia but you koolaiders can't see that . Russia wanted this situation ? Nope. It's US and nato who started the mess in Kiev. You can deny facts and truth , none of my problem . Things are more fcuked up for NATO now after crossing the red line .
Yes Max.
Don't forget how close there border(s) are encroaching on our military bases!
The "Treaty of Friendship" post 1997 has been so violated by the Russians!... And NATO certainly knows it!!!!
Ukraine is not in NATO, didn't you get the memo? What NATO knows is that Putin is an invader, and a flagrant oppressor of weak states, and a murderer of its citizens, who invades and steals their territories and resources, and assets, so ...
N O T H I N G
... that you blurt out, as ad-hoc denial over what was observed, will ever change that.
NATO will not give a fuck what you think or what idiotic laughable claims you make, as a dismal inadequate troll of Putin's representative bullshit stories.
NATO will guard against what it has observed - and that is going to be that.
Whine and bitch all you want about it Mr Putin, you are not a special case, and there will be no exceptions for you.
Almost everybody can see through your lies.
It is not them that Mr. Putin has to worry about, it's the NATO heads who will not be bamboozled by Putin's preferred bullshit stories.
Almost everybody can see through your lies.
Disgruntled corn fed enlisted Army or Marine Corps that continued to do grunt work for the IC after the uniform went into a box that will continue to drink the "Kool-Aid" to the end!
After all. That's the Amurikan way!
the thing is that even with most of population only wanting to live peacefully with enough propaganda and false flags the hidden powers have managed to start many wars before, including past 2 world wars. how many innocent people have paid with their lives for the few to have power they have today? Russia has been under attack many times, and they were conquered for a while, and while today it is hard to say if they are really free from control, they certainly are under siege, if one obsereves NATO bases.
Russia has been under attack many times, and they were conquered for a while, and while today it is hard to say if they are really free from control, they ceretainly are under siege, if one obsereves NATO bases.
Left me finish your thought...
And because of that thousand year history of being perpetually attacked from "without", they are meanest nastiest SOBs you'll ever want to face off with when they have the collective will to defend themselves and their homes as the George Soros/Bob Kagan project is witnessing every day first hand in it's systematic misfiring(s)!
If you're a Zionist losing money on this project like boy George and Bobby you might want to reconsider your odds before cashing in the rest of your "chips"...
If you were involved in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Yemen and wintnessed first hand how well those engagements went for you, I think they may have told you to quit while your ahead because those fellas in Eastern Europe are a whole different ball game then the ones you left in the ME over the past 10 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZZ504TGDpE
Then...
And
Now!...
You are one thick sook . Go look for facts before posting your inane rumblings here. I don't make or share bullshit stories or dismal claims here. Whine ? you are flushing your life down the toilet .muritards exceptionalism syndrome .
Every time Moscow sends out Russian trolls to spin your rubbish on his behalf, all that happens is that it makes NATO and western powers more determined to confront Putin without relent. Every denial simply guarantees nothing Putin will like.
He has majorly stuffed-up, and he seems to have wanted it this way, presumably to exploit domestic politics and play a faux 'victim'. The more he does that, the more he's going to hate what transpires.
Hahahah pissed bugger with a baseless attack to be disregarded, tossed in the bin . . Who is whining now , was expecting kneejerk sycophancy & obedience to the Establishment's brainwashing control, which certainly extends over the pitiful state .
Trolls are people like you who drifts from truth and hate those who speak it .
Ukraine may not be in NATO but NATO treats it like their retarded cousin.
There is no doubt that Ukraine is a money toilet for not only NATO, but EU and the IMF as well.
They give money to Kiev and it's flushed away the way you flush your poop.
NATO thought it could diddle shit around with Russia for a couple more decades.
But Putin is saying "Get it on, shit kickers."
The EU's economy is doing so good, Nuland had to get 500,000 migrants 'flee' to Europe to buy their toilet paper and tooth paste to help their moribund economies.
China is the only country with money in the bank and China is in Russia's camp.
Well that's really nice, BTS, they should be fine then.
You would think so, wouldn't you? Except there are probably as many CIA agents, saboteurs, and operatives as there are genuine refugees in the crowds of migrants.
So the countries who are withdrawing from US influence can expect Maidans of their own
I'll leave you with your amazing insights. Clearly you're a Putin fanboy and your reference to "CIA agents" is apparent code for "ISIS provocateurs and attackers of the EU", but they are equally likely to be Moscow's agents - moreso in fact.
I'll pass on any further free advice and concerns you wish to offer.
Yes, insights are desirable.
You should try to have one before you die.
You can't keep appropriating all your ideas from the WaPo, the NYT, and the tweets from Roger Ailes.
Exactly how is Putin saying "Get it on".
By doing nothing?
Phew, you almost had me there, Stump.
Here's how Putin is saying 'get it on' by doing nothing.
From the beginning of the conflict in Donbass in April or May of 2014, it has been the object of NATO to get the Russians to invade that part of Souteast Ukraine. An invasion with photographs of columns of tanks and personnel carriers hauling tens of thousands of troops taken with identifiable Ukrainian landmarks in the background.
If Breedlove could force the Russians to invade, then it wouldn't matter who shot down MH17; This explains why the fucked up Dutch and their 'investigation' has taken over a year and is secret. To give Putin more time to invade or be aggressive.
Russian behavior of invasion and aggression trumps all other action in the Ukraine.
Of course, Russia has not invaded.
So Putin "by doing nothing", has said to NATO "get it on."
:oP
How about sailing the USS Cowpens up close to the new Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning and then whining when one of the ships in the aircraft carrier's group almost rammed the Cowpens?
Waa Waa Waa Waa.
Boo Hoo.
I'm going to tell my mommy.
Another logical move by the US...this is bullish for stocks, right?
NATO not happy with the number of refugees from Libya and Syria? They want another 500,000 refugees from Ukraine?
Hah ha ha ha ha
The EU really has a death wish.
500,000 from the Ukraine -- the thing is the Poles & the Ukies *hate* each other. I don't actually believe I can realistically explain to you how much the two sides really hate each other. Those slavic wars of old that were essentially constant, and made the 30 years war look downright tame -- yeah the Ukies & the Poles going at it -- essentially for the past 500 years.
Shit the Ukies like the Russians more than the Poles, but they hate the Russians as well. They like the Germans though. That 500k would be a conservative estimate, given this shit show in Syria -- and I imagine the Poles would have no problem letting them in on the condition they proceed to Germany and do not stop in Poland save for gas.
http://novorossia.today/kiev-incident-forced-poles-to-realize-russia-is-...
the people running NATO surely do.
Last I heard, the Poles were restricting access across their border from Ukraine. Maybe the Ukrainians could go to Romania, but that country is poor and does not offer many jobs.
About 2 million Ukrainians went to Russia - half came back or went elsewhere, but the other million are there for the duration, or at least through the winter.
NATO not happy with the number of refugees from Libya and Syria? They want another 500,000 refugees from Ukraine?
Lots of good reasons JO why European partner is turning on European partner...
Washington and London have (shall we say) interesting unattached well fed and paid for chaps among the poor, tired, hungry and dispossessed just trying to survive in Greece, Italy, Hungary and Germany right now.
If I were the people in those places I would do everything consciously to grow "eyes in the back of your heads" because this party is about ready to crash as you probably already were well aware and Tianjin and Donying were the "warm up"!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elCrHGPWXms
Gee thanks Element
I dig babies when they talk! Wonder why he drowned?...
Must not have been a very good swimmer?
Just going to lock that in place.
It's a good illustration of the sort of idiot mind you have.
E
I can say with alacrity after that remark given the context to the subject you're nothing less than a "perfect asshole"!
I'd include beneath "pond scum" but what's the point?
The red team just beefed up in Syria, so this is the blue team's next move. Simpleton chess for over-ego'd world "leaders".
Please explain how the red team just beefed up in Syria.
http://www.infowars.com/will-russian-and-chinese-military-forces-on-syri...
The source for that article was a news media outlet in Israel.
RT contacted their contact within the Russian military and were told the story was bogus. Russia was not sending the warplanes to Syria and was not sending a expeditionary force to Syria.
http://www.rt.com/news/314010-syria-russia-planes-isis/
But everyone suddenly wants to believe the Israel media. Now, if that story is true, and they said it was to happen in just days, then by monday morning we should have confirmation of those warplanes and expeditionary force being in Syria.
Well, it seems now the USSA strategy to survive as the economical leader of the western world is to sink Europe into a post war medieval age, then they can claim they are the best economy in the world :) If you can't overtake them then shoot them in the back of your heads and you will walk over their corpse :)
same as it ever was...Like back in the day, UK versus Germany
Exactly... both WW's
USSA decided to retaliate and sink Europe into islamic medievalism for not standing loudly together and openly against inciting a war with the Sino-Russian alliance.
Huh?
Apparently thousands of launch-ready nuclear weapons are not enough of a deterrent?
The fools in Washington seem to think that Russia won't push the button.
The fools in Washington also didn't think Russia would strike back if Georgia ploughed through a bunch of Russian soldiers in an attempt to annihilate rebels in a fractious province.
The fools in Washington also didn't think Russia would do anything if, after the coup in Kiev last year, the Kiev Rada voided all leases in Sevastopol, outlawed civil rights in Eastern Ukraine, and invited NATO to install missiles in Crimea.
And as you say, the fools in Washington will get us all killed, and only then say, "Gosh, who would have thought Russia would react the way it did?"
Future historians will be very harsh in their judgement of USA because of those fools in Washington.
The only thing Putin wanted or cared about was Crimea. He took Crimea because the situation (which he helped create) offered a window of opportunity to take it without a shot being fired. He did not take the rest, as he could have, because he did not really want it and because he could force the EUke's to fight the west as his proxy and use their deaths as a buffer to Crimea.
Putin will not push a button or fire a shot if Russia (which now includes Crimea) is not invaded or attacked.
"What is the secret of steel?" asked Crom, god on the mountain.
US/NATO Embrace Psy-ops and Info-War
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/09/02/usnato-embrace-psy-ops-and-info-war/
Ukraine Rightists Kill Police; Putin Blamed
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/09/01/ukraine-rightists-kill-police-puti...
"A move that has rankled Moscow but which NATO leaders hope will deter Vladimir Putin from stirring unrest?"
These people are insufferable. I'm no fan of Putin, he's just another statist in my view, but for Pete's sake the only people I see invading other countries are those that belong to the NATO alliance. Which, by the way, is causing their own countries to be invaded by refugees. Karma is a bitch and I hope it bites these fuckers hard.
Russian leaders have been promoting the myth of NATO military expansion as part of their justification for Russia's invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea. Russian President Vladimir Putin himself claims that, "When the infrastructure of a military bloc is moving toward our borders, it causes us some concerns and questions. We need to take some steps in response." Yet the data shows otherwise.
Prior to Russia's aggression against Ukraine and NATO's response to restore deterrence in Europe, there was very little NATO military presence in the Alliance's frontline states. Even today, despite requests by Eastern allies, there is no major NATO infrastructure closer to Russia than what existed at the end of the Cold War in Germany, Italy, UK, and other Western allies. Russia on the other hand, maintains tens of thousands of troops in several of its neighbors. As NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow recently stated on Twitter, "It is Russia that's fabricating a NATO 'threat' to justify its aggressive actions & attempts to recreate sphere of influence."
HERE IS INFOGRAPHIC
http://www.zerohedge.com/users/newsoutlet
Hahahaha
add me
"Russian leaders have been promoting the myth of NATO military expansion as part of their justification for Russia's invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea."
Well, there's your problem right there - you have to fix the errors in the first sentence. The justification for "annexation" of Crimea came from the Crimeans themselves, who BEGGED Russia to take them into the federation via a referendum, a la Kosovo. And the "invasion" of Russia into Ukraine has been in the form of volunteers bribing border guards and by about 3 dozen truck convoys of humanitarian aid to the Donbass, which is getting starved by a Kiev-organized blockade.
But I agree there was very little NATO military presence along the frontline states before 2014. Part of the reason was because Russia and Ukraine had an understanding about gas and the Sevastopol naval base. After USA meddling last year, things just kind of went to h*** and NATO used that as cover to move in and rattle sabers.
2.) If a China town in NYC would hold a "referendum" to join these blocks to China - it would not correspond to international law - just as "referendum" in Crimea.
3.) Russian propaganda spread info that referendum in Crimea was legit and supported by it’s people and members of parliament – but it turned out to be lies – russian terrorist ex-leader Girkin admits there where no support for them in Crimea and that they forced parliament members to vote as terrorists wanted:°
https://youtu.be/mcCqrzctxH4
Igor Girkin, ex-minister of defense of the so-called Donetsk Republic:
“Have you actually been to Crimea during the referendum? Well, I have. I have been there since February the 21th. What you are describing here is absolute rubbish. There were no policemen who supported our side at that time. The only law-enforcement subdivision that has joined our ranks back then was the Berkut. The rest of the law-enforcement agencies remained under control of Ukrainian Ministry of Internal, and kept carrying out the MIA’s orders. Yes, sometimes they were sabotaging these orders, but all in all they were under Ukrainian control. I haven’t seen any support from official governmental representatives in Simferopol. Our troops had to force the deputiesinto the Oblast Council hall so that these representatives would vote in favor of our initiatives. I know this because I have been at the time commandeering one of such militant teams and I’ve seen it all from the inside. We had absolutely no support from the people, not to mention the army. The Ukrainian army units remained loyal to Kyiv as they were. Furthermore, most of the army remained that way. The only thing that made what we have accomplished in Crimea possible was the presence of Russian army.”
Calling you retarded would be a compliment.
He's not retarded, just a CIA/NSA troll. Wonder how much he gets paid?
Even better, he's a retarded CIA/NSA troll... And, to answer your question: about 1 potato per day (with min. 10 posts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2S1ocKHaI
Your imagination seems to be in a world of hurt... Are you by any chance a relative of that silly little man Abbott from down under who wanted to "shirtfront" Putin ?
Frankly I have no idea what a 'shirt-fronting' is, I had never heard the term before abbot said it, and none of the reporters had heard it before either. Then some sports reporter suggested a reference to a football code term that I have personally never followed.
I imagined a shirt-fronting would be where you grab a persons shirt and pull them in and shake them around a bit, maybe a knee in the balls or a head butt to say hello. That was my immediate mental picture and I thought, WTF, what is he saying that for? It seemed totally out there to me, you don't do that and you don't say things like that. I might dislike Putin, but assaulting him was a bad mental image, and a bad look to project around the global media like that. Pretty dumb in my own view. You'd sort of hope Abbot would sleep on it, and the next day say he was out of line to use that language. But I can say the impression in Canberra, then and now, is that Putin gave Russian rebels, and/or even Russian soldiers, the use of a BUK that killed 37 Australians on MH17.
So he went too far (in my view), but that's why. And I can assure you, no amount of conspiracy-theory bullshit, and regurgitations of devious nonsense, will make any impact at all on Canberra's view of this event - I'm 100% certain of that.
Personally, I think the conspiracy theory explanations Russians put forwards, to both troll and to attempt to escape blame, and to blame others of their own actions, are pure bullshit, and an unforgivable insult.
It's perfectly clear Russians committed the act, and they know damned well that they did, and that behavior and deviancy, and complete lack of human care or conscience, and the disgusting Russian attitudes displayed at the time, will assure this will go on for decades. And it should, and must, until those filthy Russian bastards who did it, are prosecuted.
No way is Putin getting off easy for what he did as he is totally responsible for all that happened in those rebel Russian areas they stole. And I bet Abbot sees it that way too, and simply spoke his mind in a way the seemed, to me, less calculated than it needed to be.
Dimitry Yarosh of Right Sektor now wishes to be Fuehrer of Nazi Ukraine!
https://dearkitty1.wordpress.com/2015/07/23/neo-nazi-coup-in-ukraine/
America is fully aware that the way to draw Russia into a conflict is to push forward towards Russia’s borders. In time, Russia will be forced to defend its right to exist, and when this happens, western powers will not know what hit them!
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/22/4790
I agree completely. Western leaders are going to get their asses handed to them if they keep pushing Putin's button. I mean, they're literally asking for a shit kicking. And for those who didn't see that super-impressive military parade in Beijing last night, if the US starts a war with Russia, the Chinese are on Putin's side 100%. And we don't want to be in a battle with that team. More importantly... why in hell should we? Because the bankers want it... as always. Other than that, there is absolutely no reason for war. Russia doesn't want it. China doesn't want it. Europe wants it least of all. And you and I don't want it. If 'you do' want it... please just fuck off and die on your own.
It's true, Russia has never been imperialist like the USA has and still is. Neither has China. Both those countries suffered incredible casualties during the second world war, the greatest numbers of all countries. Russia lost the most people (33 million I think) and China second. China was absolutely a victim of horrid Japanese aggression. Almost ALL Asian countries were. They didn't start it. They were victims. Xi Jinping has absolutely no desires to attack anybody. But he also said that they will never be pushed around again. And judging by the incredible development and upgrades to their arsenal, as put on display last night... he means it.
It shames me to be on the side that is going to start this... FUCKING AGAIN! But I almost feel like we're in a win/win situation. If we come out of the war as 'victors', I suppose that's OK. If we get our asses kicked, there's nothing wrong with that either... we will have truly deserved it, and the bankers who have started every war since Napoleon, funding both sides, will be extinct. And in my world that prospect resonates real well. Because after that, even if we got shit-canned in the war... we will be able to rebuild a truly beautiful life WITHOUT THE SATANIC ROTSCHILD MAFIA masquerading as the USA.
Somehow you forget that putin now praises Stalin
and Stalin did such a horrible war crimes that only can be matched with hitler and mao in china:
https://youtu.be/oVZjyyAE-78
How about the millions killed and displaced by the so called "war on terror". Where does that rank in your war crimes scorecard?
Putin may not be the nicest guy around, but I don't recall him killing thousands of innocent civilians with drone strikes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OglHdJDMTto
Human Stupidity is Infinite .
Well max, you're the living embodiment of the archetype.
The real problem is that if there is a direct conflict between Nato/US and Russia, once Nato gets their asses handed to them on a platter (and hundreds of thousands of young kids die for nothing), TPTB will decide that they must use nukes to win. In their pea sized brains they have convinced themselves that there can be a "winner" in a nuclear confrontation. They are right of course, but the only winners will be the cockroaches as they will be the only survivors.
The 'indispensable and exceptional' lunatics in the US and EU are doubling down on stupid.
-> neocons are everywhere!!!
-> putin regime propaganda
http://www.zerohedge.com/users/newsoutlet
He may be a fool, but you're a cunt.
How funny could this possibly be? In a "rubber room" wearing a straitjacket kind of funny!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1NOtvzG4sk
1941 all over again......the Russians know it never goes away.......
Sociologist Leo Gudkov explains, why economic crisis does not harm the surprising rating of Putin
Leo Gudkov leads “Levada- center” – by most respectable organization, which investigates public opinion in Russia, measuring the mood of inhabitants, beginning from 1987 the year. On the influence of its propaganda in Moscow questioned the colleague „Re:Baltica” Russian journalist Leonid Ragozin.
In very short time – from the middle 2012 of the year until March 2013 of year – was achieved completely colossal propagandistic effect. How this did succeed?
To this several conditions contributed. First – this is the information isolation: were closed, extruded, forbidden all alternative information sources: sites, the cable televisions. For major portion of the population by only information channel, the interpretation of all events was Russian federal television. It completely under the control of the administration of Vladimir Putin (President of the Russian Federation).
The second moment – is expanded actually very strong and very effective according to its structure propagandistic campaign. Of its purpose, is at first glance – this the discredit of Ukrainian motion to the side of integration into the European Union, reforms in the Ukraine, the creation of the lawful, honest, state without corruption, correspondingly, located under the control society. If this was successful version, thus the strongest threat for the stability of Putin regime would be created. Because preceding several years were characterized by a drop in the popularity of Putin, by sharp reduction in the confidence to it, by increase in the dissatisfaction and even unwillingness to vote for it on the following presidential elections. People of tiredness from such authoritarian regime.
The middle class, which felt the lack of promise of its further existence under the conditions of the amplifying repressive authoritarian regime, especially got tired. Therefore, discrediting Ukrainian motion, Euromaidan first of all, in reality propaganda beat on the Russian opposition, on the liberal, democratic values, which justified people, which emerge on the mass protest actions.
What was message for the Russian audience in connection with the Ukraine?
That that all these motions, for example, of Euromaidan, are incited by the West, and they are directed against Russia for the purpose to weaken, to humble Russia, to tear away the Ukraine from Russia and to thus weaken Russian state herself.
In the second place, these are very characteristic for the present government of Russia paranoia of colored revolutions, fear before the threat of instability. This against the background prolonged mass protests in Russia. Accordingly, attachment to the public opinion of idea, that the West renders strong pressure in Russia that this is the new phase of the Cold War and the traditional anti-Russian policy, directed toward weakening of Russia precisely when Russia is strengthened, it arises from the elbows, it acquires weight.
Specifically, strengthening Russia caused the strongest reaction from the side of the West. Since this the very traditional myths of the Russian consciousness, which go still from the Soviet time or even are still deeper, from the 19th century, they easily started. Propaganda gave very intelligible and familiar dies.
Still one crucial point, propaganda laid under the motives of the action of the West (mythological, naturally, West) those intentions of Russian policy, which were also very well known to the Russian average man.
So that it easily learned in them the familiar motives: expansion, total control, some geopolitical priorities. All these myths were actualized precisely, beginning approximately from the middle of January 2014 of year, already after collision on Euromaidan.
But this preceded, of course, the prolonged, amplifying anti-Western rhetoric, which became noticeable with the arrival of Putin. And it is not simple arrival, but the change of the composition of the highest leadership in Russia, when at the authority arrived, on the whole, the former colleagues of the KGB with appropriate mentality and with the extremely expressed antidemocratic, anti-Western mentality. Therefore gradually these themes were introduced into the public opinion, but principally this became mainstream of Russian domestic policy, beginning somewhere from the Munich speech of Putin, i.e., from 2007 the year.
You say that fell the popularity of Putin. We saw marshy, and the opinion polls, your including showed a drop in the popularity of Putin. But a completely colossal increase in its popularity suddenly occurred. In than magic?
Magic in the fact that in the Russian society were accumulated the enormous frustration, stress, diffuse irritation. Society was unhappy, in spite of an increase in the incomes and raising the standard of living. Were accumulated very strong of inferiority complex. They were different in different groups. Middle class, first of all the population of large cities, spoke in favor of conducting of reforms. This is mainly the independence of judicial system, because private property cannot be guaranteed without this, it cannot be investments.
Furthermore, the small and mid-sized business the strongest means they suffered from state raider. Large business is affiliation with the authority; therefore this not is so meant. For the bulk of the growing Russian enterprise this threat is very real; therefore in the first place of the reform of judicial system. Further the responsibility of authority before the society, correspondingly, the problem of honest selections, regular rotation of authority, which, naturally, for that group, which is alien to the authority, is mortally dangerous.
And finally the third moment – these are those slogans, with which came out marshy or protest motions wider, and that the very large part of the population supported, approximately 40-45% – these are the freedom of press – is that which exactly was liquidated during Putin’s lifetime. This is is one type of dissatisfaction and claims to the authority. Another, much that more extended – this is nostalgia over the Soviet times and over state pattern of depressive and poor province, which extremely painfully receives all reforms and arrival of the market economy. It requires the return of government control, government subsidy, support of state unitary enterprises, strengthening of social policy, i.e., support to poor, to an increase in the social expenditures and so forth. Exactly these people in the province understand, that market reforms make absolutely senseless the remainders of the old Soviet economy – no one the unnecessary defense industry, heavy industry, backward technologies.
It understands the population of small cities, mono-cities, that for them the market economy and the arrival of new authority or new policy bears the strongest threat. Therefore conservative province spoke against modernization, changes, against the rapprochement with Europe, and this was the social base of putinizma. And here dissatisfaction bore completely different nature – dissatisfaction with the absence of return to the previous times. Therefore strong dissatisfaction rose inside Russia. Plus still, that there was very important this growing social envy and resentment, connected sharply strengthened by social differentiation. Because there are colossal contradictions between the most profitable groups and the poor population.
Simply if on the average in Europe the divergence between 10% profitable and poorest part of the population composes approximately 7-8 once, then even according to official data in Russia this 16-17 of times. The independent economists indicate that the income difference is much more.
The respectively social envy of these stagnant layers of the population of provincial to the successful business, to the new models of consumption, also played its role. Therefore of inferiority complex, irritation by the going social processes were very strong. The loss of status of the Great Power here played the role of the factor, which amplifies stress. Because in the Soviet time even poverty and chronic scarcity of products, goods, entire what you want, it was compensated by a feeling of belonging with the Great Power, which, in the opinion the enormous majority of population, Russia lost after USSR crash. And only at some moments of the show of force, aggression, in particular, during the war with Georgia or already after the annexation of the Crimea – this was compensated again by the sensation of the restoration of status of the Great Power. _ “us respect, because fear,” – this is what be the basis.
Since the propaganda tied idea about the fact that the West carries out hostile policy, here such demonstrative of the nonobservance of the standards of international law and opposition to the West, no reaction to the criticism of the West, were received as show of force and as the form of national self assertion, that also produced the effect of euphoria, which continued some time to that moment, when began to act the sanctions and the reciprocal sanctions, when prices of the oil in autumn suddenly fell and ruble lost approximately 30% its cost. Such panicky moods began, that the crisis broke out also in Russia, and against this there is no rescuing whatever.
Euphoria did end, in spite of as before the very high ratings of Putin itself?
Yes. Euphoria, it is possible to say, it ended, although the support is held at the same high level.
How this to explain?
The mechanism of compensation, symbolic self assertion acts. But mood and economic expectations are very alarming and are very pessimistic, are unstable. This is the rare situation, which we observe – the divergence between the economic estimations and the support to authority. Actually, which did occur? Occurred the division of that part of the dissatisfied, which were connected with the middle class, with the urban class. Because province (approximately two thirds of population) and thus supported Putin – this was their base. But those, who insisted on the reforms, during the acceleration, the modernization, on the rapprochement with the West, those exactly were cleft. Part from them passed to the number of supporters of Putin, and the second, very small part, it remained in the camp of critics and opponents of regime. But these are 10-12% maximum – is this steady group and it practically does not change.
Many in the West are not understood, why this propaganda does work? When some frankly untruthful things tell people, for example, about the crucified boy in Slavyansk. Why people, which do, it would seem, have an immunity against the propaganda after 70 the years of communism, do buy obvious lie?
Propaganda raised very important and sensitive themes for the Russian national consciousness. It declared the Ukrainian democratic movement by Fascist, Nazi, ultra-nationalistic and so forth. After saying that this Fascist motion, it addressed in the language World War II, and this principally. This is one of the supporting moments of national identity, base for the self-esteem. “Russians – this is that people, which conquered fascists and with the fascists it cannot be dialogue. There cannot be neither sympathies nor acknowledgements.” Therefore the first, that made the propaganda – this it tore any understanding, sympathy, readiness to understand that which occurs in the Ukraine.
The second very crucial point is – this approval of Putin, which protects its Russians in the Ukraine. Furthermore, propaganda declared, that in the Ukraine occurred the coup d’etat, that arrived the Nazis, Ukrainian fascists and this creates threat for the life and safety, even for genocide of Russians in the Ukraine, as asserted Russian of policy and journalists. The position of Putin here in accordance with all laws that whether of the Mafia, the whether state paternalism, which protects its, obtains complete approval. This precisely that that the enormous mass of the population awaits: protection, concern, the guarantee of safety, stability of life. This was plotted in those expectations, in those standards, idea about the authorities, which, on the whole, are very traditional for the Russian consciousness.
The third moment – this that that propaganda she said: “you want changes – you will look, which occurs in the Ukraine: Civil War, ruin, the loss of people, fratricidal conflicts. You this want?” The enormous masses of people strongly are traumatized by deep crisis and transformation processes of the 90’s. They have panic fear the repetition of this chaos of the 90’s. Therefore even doubting, without approving, it is joined to this.
About the myths, the boy of that crucified or still some atrocities, for the enormous number of population cannot be verified this. Two thirds populations live in the small cities and in the mudflow. For them television or some local newspaper – this is only information channel. They cannot verify this information. These people can with the distrust it relates to the conversations about the fact that the inflation is low, when they this see, each time buying products. But that that occur such atrocities, that “Kiev chastisers”, as propaganda is expressed, these or other crimes are arranged, verify this they cannot. All the more, again I speak, very skillful propaganda in this sense of politcal technology, it is television and woman journalist. This was made sufficiently professionally and skillfully, forcing fear, forcing a feeling of injustice, villainy. It raised in people the appropriate emotions and the strongest hostility to the Ukrainians.
It seems many in the West that this is simple recovery to the dull Soviet propaganda. You did see Soviet propaganda – how you they did compare that, etc?
This differently. First, in the Soviet time television did not play this role. The there capillary control, characteristic for the totalitarian regimes, was built differently. Television had the smaller scope of population, approximately 40%. Now all, that occurs, including the behavior of the highest persons, first persons of Russian state, all is built according to the principle of priest- culture – this such show. And entire genre structure, and pictures are extremely technologically effective, are entertainment, are visually very convincing. While in the Soviet time propaganda rested in essence on the strongest social control in terms of the place of work, studies, the place of residence, through the party organizations and through the press. This was completely different. Not such convincing, not such visual and in accordance with by smaller effect. Plus, of course, dramatization of image is another valid.
Why World War II thus did prove useful as the rod of new ideology now, when does occur interaction with the generation, not referring straight to World War II, in which did war even not parents, but grand-dads, grandmothers?
Generally speaking, in the Russian mass consciousness there is a sensation of defeat and historical crash, that the USSR was pulled down in view of internal reasons, not only external, that entire Soviet history, especially sharply this it survived at the moment of reconstruction in 88-91 the years, it was the chain of crimes, misery, that nothing bright there was nothing. These are the sensation of defeat, by the incapacity to be the same as the normal countries in the West as in Europe. It was extremely internally unhealthy. Victory in the war compensated this feeling. If this was investigated: “We conquered not simply Nazi Germany, we conquered one of the developed countries of the West, after becoming after war of one of two strongest super-powers.” This is very the important feeling, which compensate force all deficiencies in daily existence: poverty, scarcity, lack of promise and so forth. This is central base for the national pride. Therefore any step in the policy always appeals to this central event of the 20th century. Putin management, ideologists from the very beginning made a rate on traditionalism and winning of the cult of victory, myth about the war, after making by his basis of Putin legitimacy. Not modernization, not contemporary development, but support to its own heroic past, national values.
But I want to say that the new ideological motive recently appeared and it becomes all more distinct – this the idea of the divided nation – the completely Nazi motive of Russian peace. “We protect our, wherever they were not.” Thus, in the first place, it is asserted very conservative, traditionalist ideas and myths about the organic unity of authority and people, the unity on the origin, on the faith in the unity of origin, if you want, on the blood. From other side, same this mythology or ideology removes all questions about the structure of society, about the institutes, which it is necessary to reform and to change, about the responsibility of authority and so forth. I.e., it removes entire problems of democracy, of rule-of-law state, all that which disturbs the most moved parts of the Russian population.
On what stage we are located with “the ideology of the divided people”: 1920 years in Germany either Hungary or this already stage after 1933 year in Germany, when we must conquer these territories?
I nevertheless did not begin to draw straight parallels. That it is possible to say accurately, this, of course, the functional role of such ideas. Certainly, it is possible to indicate that we deal concerning the certain relapse of totalitarianism. This not complete return to the Soviet past it is not possible to carry out straight parallels with Nazi Germany, but something in this actually more similar exists. I would say that a feeling of defeat thus is removed through the appeal to the traditional myths, mobilization of population, that strengthens national solidarity. But if you then already insist on these parallels, then I would say that this is nearer to Germany.
Already to the late?
To the late, yes.
I.e., it would be correct to speak, that the Russian society, pro-putin majority, now is completed imperialistic ideas, they do actually want the expansion of the country?
No, this do not exist. I.e., imperial myth is present, but it not expansionism, but this is the myth of the militarist heroic past: the cult of force, the cult of large power, enormous territory and the sensation of the natural resources, which is located in the possession of state. But this does not indicate actually expansionism. _ because Russian society nevertheless very tired society and fear strong shaking. In contrast to actually the Nazism or the early forms of totalitarianism, here there are no plans for this expansion. There are the very important themes, which are supported by authority, this is the theme of the retention of stability. I.e., actually regime is most of all interested in the self-preservation, in the guarantee of support and possibility to be preserved as it is longer as possible in authority without the change.
At least in the propaganda evidently of the fact that there was even in the Soviet time – this the export of Communist ideology, the expansion of the zone of socialism, Brezhnev’s doctrine and so forth. Here this do not exist. Be present the idea of protection from the inevitability of changes, the attempt to freeze this country from the revolutions, the changes. To respectively ensure as it is longer as possible retention in the authority of these people. This is rather the tactics of mafia clans, than Communist ideology.
What percentage of population does consider that not only “the Crimea is our”, but also “Riga our and Belorussian our”?
These are different things. From the very beginning the collapse of the USSR they considered that “the Crimea our” and it must be returned – this approximately 82-84% of the population. And this number did not change for entire elongation, including year after the annexation of the Crimea. But there is no desire to join the Baltic States or Belorussia. How much we did not check, here there is no tendency whatever toward the annexation. On the contrary, there is offense, there is resentment with respect to envy, if you want, with respect to the Baltic countries, which were turned by back to Russia and entered the European Union. “They became the normal countries,” – as in Russia they are expressed. This did not succeed for Russia. There is this complex of offense, but the desire by force to somehow join them, to return them to the composition of Russia – this do not exist.
Your last study about The Malaysian aircraft. We as before see, how large a quantity of people considers that Russia is in no way participating to the catastrophe. From other side, I so understand, that grows the number of those being doubting the non participation of Russia in the wreck of the aircraft?
Approximately nothing it changed in the year. In comparison with the measurements last summer and with July measurements of this year. Majorities, hearth 90%, consider that the responsibility lies on the Ukrainian servicemen, who brought down this aircraft, a little greater it was year ago. The portion of those laying fault in the USA now was reduced. But apropos the responsibilities of Russia or separatists (respectively the connection of Russia with the separatists, which it ensured with their weapon) – here almost nothing changes. These are the result is very of the powerfully working propaganda, which convinces of people, that gives maps, position, the trajectory of the launch of rocket and the rest, the complete negation to any information, that is dispersed with the Russian version.
So that in the Russians it would arise realistic idea about surrounding their peace, about its role in this peace, I assume, if this occurs, then they can themselves feel by very guilty in many things. This effect is psychologically accessible? It is possible without the fact that did survive Germany in 1944-1945 the years to reach this sensation of repentance, very real understanding, that Russia did make with other countries?
No, I think that this is impossible, since the destruction of morals is extremely deep. All the experience of adaptation to the repressive state or the survival in the Soviet time or at present, is connected precisely with the failure of the responsibility, with the experience of ambiguity, slyness. The first position, which in Russia occupies the usual person: “I here not moreover. This someone is guilty, but I no.” Therefore under no circumstances people are not ready to pick up responsibility or to perceive fault. Act the monstrous mechanisms of unloading, transfer of responsibility to someone.
Partly the strongest anti-Ukrainian moods are connected precisely with the distorted guilt complex, the transfer of fault to someone other with the explicit unclean conscience. Here there is no doubt whatever. I think that without the special measures or the prolonged policy, cannot be forced to the acknowledgement of its own responsibility, fault here.
I think that also in Germany this was very complex without the military government, occupational administration would be impossible conducting law court and respectively coercion to the acknowledgement of lawful responsibility, i.e., the acknowledgement of the very fact of crime and only then moral feeling of guilt or amoral of accomplishment. I do not see in the present Russian reality of that group or that institute, which could conduct this work.
The first, that could change, this, of course, destruction of the monopoly of authority to the information space, at least the appearance of the independent points of sight, independent channels, which could show another picture, differently interpret events. But even in this case, I think that very process of realizing the responsibility for the annexation of the Crimea, for the war against the Ukraine, would be very long and were necessary special measures. Very prolonged process in order to change this understanding. The degree of public cynicism and amoralizma is so great which chances now, me seems, no for this change in the public consciousness.
Source: http://www.irir.lv/2015/9/3/shou-protiv-revolyucii
Used translator: http://www.worldlingo.com/
http://www.zerohedge.com/users/newsoutlet
It is unfortunate, newsoutlet, that you are what you claim to abhor.
Who wants to read all of this drivel? This is like the unibomber manifesto.
LoL , my favorite retard is back ;) How you been potato boy ? :D :D
Any luck in getting Russia to not pull the plug on coal through Riga ? How many jobs lost ? How much money lost ?
ROTFLMFAO
Everybody likes to read 27 page posts.
I don't know how much they are paying you for this, but you better keep your head down before someone notices the guy who writes and posts to forum boards all day. What a racket!
No one in the NATO HQ is interested in Russian words anymore, only actions and potential actions, because trust is out of the question.
This is correct as NATO cannot be trusted.
Apologists of a terror organization.
The West also could not give a fuck if you like it or not at this stage.
Zion needs more tripwire Goy on the border.
Zion is a scheme, not an ethnicity.
A cliché, but true nonetheless; those we forget history are doomed to repeat it. Napoléon tried, Hitler tried and both paid dearly for it. Messing with Russia is not a good idea. Russia is a massive country. The continental U.S. and Canada combined would just about fit inside of Russia. They have miserable cold winters (again, ask Hitler and Napoléon), armies get sucked into the vast interior and then get decimated by attrition. And, let's not forget that China would not stand idly by while their neighbor, and important trading partner is being provoked or attacked.
This whole idea of provoking Russia is so infantile that it reminds me of an immature bully poking a stick at a hornets nest. The result will not be pretty.
Fuckng troll retard, the Russians invaded Ukraine and annexed it.
What were you expecting, tea and slippers?
Nope genius .
I don't know what news you read. Russia has not invaded Ukraine. Here is how you would know if Russia really invaded Ukraine.
http://cluborlov.blogspot.ru/2014/08/how-can-you-tell-whether-russia-has...
Crimea is now a part of Russia again, a fact that has vexed the West to no end. The Western media vilifies President Putin for this affront and the neocons in Washington want his head on a platter. They drone on about a land-grab and the abrogation of international law. However, the Crimeans held a referendum and in a massive 80-percent turnout at the polls, some 96 percent voted to secede and rush back into the arms of Mother Russia, with the wolves of Kiev and their Western masters baying for blood at their heels. Instead, like a murder of crows, the pack descended on eastern Ukraine and picked it to pieces. I don't think Moscow could have rigged what was virtually a unanimous vote in Crimea, and to call it a Kremlin heist is a gross distortion of the facts.
There is also massive turn-out in North Korea elections.
There was nothing legit from that "referendum" and there is noone who can confirm internationally those votes. There was no disccusions like for example in Scotland. Crimea deputies was forced under guns to vote for this referendum.
Anyway - Crimea will be back in Ukraine. And poor russians will pay compensations dearly to Ukranians. Putin will disapear. You shall see this very soon.
hahahaha you live in a fantasy dream world! Crimea is forever Russian. The only compensation will be Kiev regime paying for war crimes against their own citizens.
Yup only usa elections are legitimate where people turn out in record lows . Troll try better nxt time .
Even assuming you are correct (and only if one expands the definition of invasion to include a couple convoys with humanitarian aid), this only happened after the U.S., with "Fuck the EU" Nuland leading the way, deposed the legally elected leader of that country. But the main point is: WHAT FUCKING BUSINESS IS THAT OF OURS? Because, last I checked, it didn't turn out so well for Iraq, or Syria, or Libya when we stuck our big fucking noses in their business. Tell me that the ME is better off now than it was a few years ago before we started helping out.
Let's get our own fucking house in order, before we tell the rest of the world how to decorate theirs.
But, I fear that I am responding to an idiot, or a troll, so I will save my breath.
Or maybe you just have no responses that are based in fact, and if the make-believe story you run were systematically debunked there would in fact be nothing left.
I am quite sure you are a moron or a troll if you're claiming Russian didn't invade Ukraine, as about 7 billion people know perfectly well that he did.
under criminal putin regime Russia Federation will collapse in many countries that will be divided between China influence and EU & US. That will be result of this putin mafia.
And that will happen sooner than you think.
Some russians knows what is comming:
https://youtu.be/RPCSfooll_w
new outlet, eh?
Sounds like you had a sphincter replacement for overuse of the old one.
Yet you are still at it.
To understand that it’s putin who is behaving like aggressor in Europe and threatening western world for helping Ukraine to defend it’s self against putin regime invasion – read these facts about these latest close military encounters between Russia and the West.
High Risk Incidents High Risk incidents, in our view, are defined as those with a high probability of causing casualties or a direct military confrontation between Russia and Western states. We have identified three such cases in the relevant time period:On 3 March 2014 a close encounter occurred between a SAS passenger plane taking off from Copenhagen and a Russian reconnaissance aircraft which did not transmit its position. The incident happened 50 miles south east of Malmo. A collision was apparently avoided thanks only to good visibility and the alertness of the passenger plane pilots. The SAS 737 plane was carrying 132 passengers to Rome. Had these two planes collided with a major loss of civilian life comparable to the tragedy of flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine, the result would almost certainly have been a new round of western sanctions on Russia and increased NATO patrolling in the Baltic Sea but also, and perhaps more importantly, the classification of further un-logged or blind air activity over Europe as a possible threat to life requiring forceful pre-emptive interdiction.
On 5 September 2014
an Estonian security service operative, Eston Kohver, was abducted by Russian agents from an Estonian border post, on Estonian, and therefore NATO, territory. He was later taken to Moscow and accused of espionage. The incident itself involved communications jamming and the use of smoke grenades, and took place immediately after President Obama’s visit to the region and his repetition of security assurances to the Baltic States. Had the incident resulted in loss of life there could have been dangerous and uncontrolled escalation.
Between 17-27 October 2014 a major submarine hunt by Swedish authorities was prompted by credible intelligence reports of “underwater activity” in the Stockholm archipelago in Swedish territorial waters. Supreme Commander General Sverker Göranson underlined that Sweden was ready to use “armed force” to bring the vessel to the surface if necessary. Russia issued denials and attempted to ridicule Swedish concerns. The major search operation stopped on Oct. 24. The Swedish military stated that “foreign underwater activity” had probably taken place, with at least one unidentified vessel involved. This incident represented the biggest anti-submarine operation in Sweden since the Cold War and increased Swedish concerns that more aggressive Russian surveillance and probing operations are under way in breach of international law. Had the submarine been found and force used by Swedish authorities, this may have resulted in casualties and a further Russian military response.Serious Incidents with Escalation Risk What we characterise in this report as serious incidents go beyond the previously established pattern of interaction and the near routine cases outlined below and involve close encounters of a more aggressive or unusually provocative nature. As such this category of incident brings a higher level of risk of escalation. We have identified 11 such serious incidents. They include 4 separate cases of the harassment of U.S. and Swedish reconnaissance planes in international airspace by armed Russian fighters; 2 cases of Russian aircraft conducting close overflights over U.S. and Canadian ships in the Black Sea; Russian aircraft violating Swedish airspace on a mock ‘bombing raid’ mission; a mock attack on the Danish island of Bornholm; the practicing of cruise missile attacks against the US mainland; boarding and detention of a Lithuanian fishing vessel accused of illegal fishing in the Barents Sea; and a massive outburst of Russian aviation activity along NATO borders in late October. Each of these incidents could have evolved into a more serious situation, both in terms of possible casualties or broader political and diplomatic consequences. More detail on each incident is presented below:
On 12 April 2014 an unarmed Russian fighter aircraft made 12 passes of the American warship the USS Cook in the Black Sea. Such aggressive behaviour, if repeated by an armed aircraft, could have resulted in the ship commander targeting the aircraft in an act of self-defence.
On April 23 2014 an armed Russian fighter undertook very threatening manoeuvres in the vicinity of an American reconnaissance aircraft in the Sea of Okhotsk. These manoeuvres involved demonstrating that the fighter was armed. Such behaviour is far removed from what would be expected in a relatively routine encounter.
In June 2014 armed Russian aircraft approached the heavily populated Danish island of Bornholm before breaking off in what appears to have been a simulated attack. The Danish intelligence service described the incident as “of a more offensive character than observed in recent years.”
On 18 July 2014 an American surveillance plane conducting operations near Kaliningrad was chased into Swedish air-space after being approached by Russian fighters. This evasive action took place without Sweden’s prior approval that the US aircraft could enter Swedish airspace.On 16 July 2014
an armed Russian aircraft intercepted a Swedish surveillance plane conducting operations between Gotland and Latvia in international airspace, and flew within 10 metres of the plane. This indicated a far more aggressive approach to intercepting aircraft than in previous encounters.
In early September, 2014 Russian strategic bombers in the Labrador Sea near Canada practiced cruise missile strikes on the United States. The Russian aircraft stayed outside of Canada’s ADIZ but this was still a provocative move in light of the NATO summit ongoing at the time. Cruise missiles launched from the Labrador Sea would have Ottawa, New York, Washington, Chicago, and the Norfolk Naval Base in range.
On 7 September 2014 HMCS Toronto (a frigate) was buzzed by a Russian aircraft in the Black Sea, with the plane coming within 300 metres of the warship. HMCS Toronto locked its radar on the Russian plane but took no further action as the aircraft was not armed. This incident coincided with larger Russian naval combat training activities near Sevastopol. Such aggressive behaviour, if repeated by an armed aircraft, could have resulted in the ship commander targeting the aircraft in an act of self-defence.
On 17 September 2014 two Russian military aircraft crossed into Swedish air-space south of the island of Oland. The Russian Su-24 bombers intentionally violated Swedish airspace possibly to test the capabilities of the air defence system strengthened after previous incidents. The Swedish Foreign Minister described the incident as the ‘most serious aerial incursion’ in years.
On 19 September 2014 Russian officers detained a Lithuanian shipping vessel in international waters in the Barents Sea, subsequently towing it to Murmansk. This represented a clear escalation in Russian attempts at the provocation and intimidation of the Baltic States.
On 3 October 2014 a Russian fighter flew “within metres” of Swedish surveillance aircraft in the Baltic in an incident deemed “unusually provocative”. A collision between the aircraft would have had serious repercussions for bilateral relations and increased military tensions across the entire Baltic area.
From 28-30 October 2014 Russia conducted a major air exercise in the North Sea, Atlantic, Black Sea and Baltic Sea. In a series of developments, aircraft from NATO states and partners tracked Russian long-range bombers conducting missions across this entire area, including a large formation of Russian fighters and bombers conducting missions over the Baltic Sea. All missions were conducted in international airspace but their scale and use of different kinds of aircraft and different zones of operation has added significantly to increased tensions between NATO and Russia.
SOURCE:http://www.europeanleadershipnetwork.org/medialibrary/2014/11/09/6375e3da/Dangerous%20Brinkmanship.pdf
Serious Incidents with Escalation Risk
Near Collision between Russian military jet and Commercial Airliner Date: 12/12/14 States Involved: Sweden; Russia Geographical Region: Baltic Incident Details: A Russian military aircraft, flying without using its transponders, flies within close proximity of a commercial carrier south of Malmo. Russia has denied that the incident was a danger. Category: Serious. Such incidents represent a credible threat to life; Swedish Defence Minister Peter Hultqvist said “This is serious. This is inappropriate. This is outright dangerous when you turn off the transponder.”Air/Naval Incident Date: Early March 2015 States Involved: Russia; US; Turkey Geographical Region: Black Sea Incident Details: Russian fighter bombers are using NATO warships in the Black Sea to practice attack scenarios. Category: Serious. Such actions risk provoking a more proactive defensive response from the captains of these ships should they feel endangered. Routine incidents keep on reading at the source.
SOURCE:http://www.europeanleadershipnetwork.org/medialibrary/2015/03/11/4264a5a6/ELN%20Russia%20-%20West%20Full%20List%20of%20Incidents.pdf
newsoutlet,
good to see that you took a few days to put your research together but, colonel, it's not very impressive.
--Willard
"Thank you Nobel Peace Price winning Commander in Chief."
While it's always easier to digest a single entree, I think the political power structure responsible for wide-reaching decisions such as these, is just ~slightly~ above Dear Leader's pay grade.
History doesn't repeat but it sure does rhyme. The similarities between now and the late 20s/ early 30s are eerie.. As Krugman suggested, we'll just need a new massive wartime economy to help get us back on our feet! Like WWII did!
ZH passed along Zion HQ reports that Russian Air Force and support troops were en route or planned for deployment near Damascus in Syria. Russians officially denied it.
Was there a retraction here at ZH?
Why don't you ask the Jew paper for a retracton and Tyler may mention it on zh? Or not.
if you read the statements from Moscow on the subject there really is not any firm denial to be found. there is a kinda, sorta but not really maybe denial. more non-committal than anything else, with some cleaver word play thrown in.
I think there is a simple, common sense and very logical reason for Russia to ramp up support for Assad even up to the point of direct intervention. that being better to fight ISIS in Syria now than in the Caucuses a year from now if they do nothing and allow the Syrian government to collapse.
just today Moscow confirmed (via Itar Tass) again they do plan to continue there full political, financial and military support for the Syrian government. just how far that support will extend remains to be seen but with the Syrian army losing ground around Damascus I don't see how anybody could be surprised to find Russian jets in the skies and boots on the ground.
The Russians are not going to speak about planned combat operations or deployments. In the end it is a newpaper te zh reported and we know newspapers are often wrong or made up. But the Israelis do tend to leak for effects. Conjecture may be an effect wanted, as by doing that it gets people looking at Russia as an unrestrained intruder, and invader. and lets face it, they are. This 'leak' just makes people focus more on that angle.
The USSA ZIO-CONS are determined to have their White Goyim European Civil War.
You see, it's not Muslims that they consider as their real enemy....
Don't fall for it - not a third time.
It is nothing to lose your head over.
Momma, don't let your babies to grow up to be 'soldiers'.
A little entertainment. Rallying music for cossacks to fight the banderist nazis who attack civilians in Donbass!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu9URT0JjkU
So the Yanks and NATO not content with millions dead and millions as refugees as a direct consequence of its murderous policies over the past few years - now wants the destruction of Europe.
Talk about the great Satan.
Talk about the new Rome.
One thing for sure - it is the most evil regime, empire - call it what you will - in the known history of the planet.
Pure unadulterated stark evil.
I hope and pray that pay back is a bitch!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYnF42Z1xsE
WOW! Look how close they built their country next to the zioamericommunist bases!
Those fuckin warmongers!
Some forget that it always been Washington's intent wherever it goes to control through causing chaos.Europe needs to be controlled by the neo-con puppet hands of McCain and Nuland and the right-wing nazi mindset.