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Putin Confirms Scope Of Russian Military Role In Syria
Over the past 48 hours or so, we’ve seen what certainly appears to be visual confirmation of a non-negligible Russian military presence in Syria. For anyone coming to the story late, overt Russian involvement would seem to suggest that the geopolitical “main event” (so to speak), may be closer than anyone imagined.
Russia’s excuse for being in Syria is the same as everyone else’s: they’re there, ostensibly, to fight ISIS. As we mentioned yesterday, and as we’ve detailed exhaustively as it relates to Turkey, the fact that ISIS has become a kind of catch-all, go-to excuse for legitimizing whatever one feels like doing is a dangerous precedent and Turkey’s crackdown on the Kurds proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Islamic State will serve as a smokescreen for more than just the preservation/ouster (depending on which side you’re on) of Bashar al-Assad.
Having said all of that, going into the weekend Russia had yet to confirm publicly that it had commenced military operations in Syria despite the fact that it’s the next closest thing to common knowledge that at the very least, the Kremlin has provided logistical support and technical assistance for a period that probably spans two or more years.
But on Friday, Vladimir Putin looks to have confirmed the scope of Russia’s military role, even if he stopped short of admitting that Russian troops are engaged in combat. Here’s The Telegraph:
Russia is providing “serious” training and logistical support to the Syrian army, Vladimir Putin has said, in the first public confirmation of the depth of Russia’s involvement in Syria's civil war.
And while the highlighted passage there is actually impossible to prove given that the term "depth" is subjective, it certainly does appear that Putin is now willing to concede that support for Assad goes far beyond "political". Here's AFP as well:
Asked whether Russia could take part in operations against IS, Putin said: "We are looking at various options but so far what you are talking about is not on the agenda."
"To say we're ready to do this today -- so far it's premature to talk about this. But we are already giving Syria quite serious help with equipment and training soldiers, with our weapons," RIA Novosti state news agency quoted Putin as saying.
And back to The Telegraph briefly:
Speculation is growing that Russia has significantly expanded its involvement in recent months, including with deliveries of advanced weaponry, a raft of spare parts for existing machines, and the deployment of increasing numbers of military advisers and instructors.
Last week Syrian state television released images showing an advanced Russian-built armoured personnel carrier, the BTR-82a, in combat. Videos have also appeared in which troops engaged in combat appear to shout instructions to one another in Russian.
Of course whether or not the troops Russia has on the ground were sent to Syria with explicit orders to join the fighting is largely irrelevant when the bullets start flying. As Pavel Felgenhaeur, an independent commentator on Russian military affairs told The Telegraph, “it was quite conceivable that members of the advisory mission occasionally found themselves in combat or had even suffered casualties.”
So in other words, they’re at war, and even as Putin is now willing to admit, with a two year (at least) lag, that Russian boots are indeed on the ground, it may be a while before he admits to their role in direct combat and if Ukraine is any guide, he might never acknowledge the extent of Russia's involvement. But make no mistake, the Russian presence has nothing to do with the “threat” ISIS poses to the world and everything to do with ensuring that Assad’s forces can fight on - at least for now.
The absurd thing about the whole effort is that ISIS itself is now just cannon fodder both for Russia and for the US led coalition flying missions from Incirlik that Turkey has suggested may soon include Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Jordan. Even more ridiculous is the fact that since none of this has anything to do with eradicating ISIS in the first place, the bombing of ISIS targets by the US, Turkey, and Russia doesn’t really serve much of a purpose at all.
That is, everyone’s just biding time to see how far the other side is willing to go in support of their vision for Syria's political future - a political future which, as we noted yesterday, almost certainly will not be decided at the ballot box, that is unless it's after US Marines have stormed Damascus at which point the US will benevolently allow whatever civilians are still alive in Syria to choose between two puppet leaders vetted and supported by Washington.
And lest anyone should forget what this is all about...
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Good opportunity to field test the new T-14.
Ah ... the imaginary pipeline prop ... that Tyler wants everyone to believe is a something, that is really a nothing ... apparently think that having Tartus as a port, and Syria as an Ally, is not motive enough for Moscow to intervene. But no, it just has to be an imaginary pipeline, backed by the evil West, that's caused it all.
Bullshit.
Well at least with the Russians there, there's a chance that ISIS can be wiped out, and we won't end up with a totally failed state in Syria. I've said all along that if Assad was already gone (if Washington had got its way) ISIS would already have taken Damascus and got all of Assad's weapons, and would now be fighting in Lebanon and Jordan by now. In other words, you need Assad to remain, if you want a viable secular state after the combat.
Zion needs Lebensraum?
They've got it, it's called the West. More jews there than in Israel, they prefer it to Israel too.
But what Israel DOES want is a buffer zone. The Oded Yinon plan is to have Israel be an island of calm surrounded by neighbors in a sea of chaos unable to coordinate any common actions against Israel.
THE reason they want to go after IRAN, IMHO, is that the Ayatollah wanted to bridge the gap between Shia and Sunni (which have never been as antagonistic against each other as they are now, say the past twenty-five years, coincidentally about the time the Yinon plan surfaced). If Islam were united, Israel is in deep shyte.
The dead Syrian child is a side effect of all of this, along with the refugees to Europe and all the suffering the "color spring revolutions" planned by PNAC in the Middle East.
The Zionists better hope like hell there is no karma during this existence, because they are running up a hell of a tab...
Don't we all. Water works best or mountains in Switzerland and India's and China's cases, Turkey, Iran, Pakis and Burma, etc., all benefit from mountains as well, and Iran benefits from Persian gulf, Caspian Sea and a beset weak but well armed Afghanistan in the East (terrific buffers really).
But Israel already has significant physical strategic buffers, that funnel and limit access, namely, Mediterranean Sea down one side, Golan Heights, Dead Sea, Galilee, West Bank, Aquba and Sinai.
Golan Heights, West Bank, Dead Sea, and Sea of Galilee were all taken and annexed in war from Jordan and Syria in 1967 and 1973, specifically to create those strategic buffers.
And what occurred due to that? Hezbollah for one now claims they have Iranian Nasr cruise land-attack and anti-ship cruise weapons and Fateh A-110B precision guided tactical ballistic missiles (not ballistic rockets) and have an operational range of about 350 km with 480 kg payload (these will have penetration aids plus the speed needed to defeat some missile defences). That missile is a frigate-killer via kinetic energy alone, but it can also take-out a runway surface in Tel-Aviv, or a building. The only doubt now is how accurately they can be targeted. Well there are a lot of Arabs in Israel with GPS devices and laser rangers, that can take the precise 3D co-ordinates of any building. So the accuracy of these weapons should not be doubted.
That's what creating strategic 'buffers' got Israel. It isn't going to get any better and most of it was due to the belligerence embodied by the policies of BB nuttyhoo, since he re-emerged on the far right of Israeli politics in the mid-1990s.
The foreign policies of most countries (and by extension their military policies) are rarely based upon one single factor or objective. Usually, it's a number of factors some of which inter-relate.
I'm sure this is the case for both sides in Syria...on the one side: US/UK/Eur/Israel/Saudi/Qatar/ISIS/AQ et al and on the other side: Syria & Assad/Russia/Iran.
In there somewhere is the Qatar gas pipeline thru Syria to Europe. Whether it's at the top of the list, who knows?
You possess and have seen zero physical evidence of any such 'pipeline'.
You are so weak minded, that someone simply implanted the idea of it, in your mind, and you've just unquestioningly fallen for it.
That's how and why cons, deceptions and distractions work.
And that is all that's going on there. And that implanting is the ONLY reason why you're talking and repeating it back, as though it is real, which clearly it isn't, which blots all further clear understanding.
As was the intent of it.
Nope. The subject of the various gas pipelines was thoroughly discussed on ZH some while ago and numerous articles posted about them. I have copies of several articles published in the UK Guardian but I'm not at home at this moment so cannot give you Links to them.
Fact is that there's a huge gas field shared by Qatar and Iran and Qatar has to sell its gas to someone.
On the other hand, if you want to claim the gas field doesn't really exist, go ahead and be my guest.
And denying the history and politics would be just as absurd:
http://ftmdaily.com/what-jerry-thinks/whysyria/
Syria is already part of a Western-ordained gas pipeline that spans from Egypt to Homs. This pipeline, known as the Arab Gas Pipeline, was originally planned to continue traveling north of Homs up into Turkey. From there, it can be piped into Europe. The major players of this Western approved pipeline include Saudi Arabia and Qatar, among other Gulf nations.
Syrian President Assad’s mistake was to reject the Arab Gas Pipeline in preference the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline, also dubbed ‘The Islamic Pipeline.’ This proposed pipeline would obviously compete directly with the Arab Gas Pipeline’s goal of delivering Mideast natural gas to Europe.
Most Arabs view the Islamic Pipeline as a Shi’ite pipeline serving Shi’ite interests. After all, it originates in Shi’ite Iran, passes through Shi’ite Iraq, and flows into Shi’ite controlled Syria. Therefore, the Sunni-dominated Gulf nations have both an economic and religious reason for preventing the Islamic Pipeline from becoming a reality. So far, the Gulf nations have violently opposed Syria’s adoption of the Islamic Pipeline by arming opposition fighters within Syria in order to destabilize the nation. While the ultimate goal is to topple the Assad regime, these hopes appear to be diminishing as Assad remains strong and defiant in the face of recent opposition.
In addition to Russia, Iran has also firmly opposed intervention into Syria. Once you grasp the regional energy pipeline politics which dominate the region, Iran’s interests in Syria are obvious.
But what about Russia? Why are they choosing to side with Syria despite the massive propaganda push by the West?
Russia’s economy is predominantly based upon its enormous energy exports. Much of Europe is dependent upon Russian oil and gas, and this dependency is growing. Russia boasts the largest natural gas reserves in the world.
Which country has the second largest reserves?
Iran.
Iran, however, is internationally isolated with no current ability to export its vast energy supplies to Europe.
Russia has its eye on the potential profits of bringing Iranian oil and gas online for Europe. For this reason, (among a myriad of others) it has sought to solidify its relations with Iran. Of course, the most direct route for moving Iran’s energy supplies to Europe is right through the heart of Iraq and into Syria. So, it appears that Russia’s alliance with Syria has less to do with Syria and much more to do with the Iranian gas that may soon flow into Syria.
But remember, in the end, these conflicts in the Middle East are not about “spreading democracy” or “delivering aid to those in need.” Instead, they are about controlling the flow of energy resources within the region.
i.e. You have NO EVIDENCE.
You have all the hallmarks of a pipeline denier.
You have all the hallmarks of being a gullible chump, and then some.
You'd be funny if you weren't so sad.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-geopolitics-of-gas-and-the-syrian-crisi...
In the apt expression of F. William Engdahl, «Natural gas is the flammable ingredient that is fueling this insane scramble for energy in the region.» A battle is raging over whether pipelines will go toward Europe from east to west, from Iran and Iraq to the Mediterranean coast of Syria, or take a more northbound route from Qatar and Saudi Arabia via Syria and Turkey. Having realized that the stalled Nabucco pipeline, and indeed the entire Southern Corridor, are backed up only by Azerbaijan’s reserves and can never equal Russian supplies to Europe or thwart the construction of the South Stream, the West is in a hurry to replace them with resources from the Persian Gulf. Syria ends up being a key link in this chain, and it leans in favor of Iran and Russia; thus it was decided in the Western capitals that its regime needs to change. The fight for «democracy» is a false flag thrown out to cover up totally different aims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq-Syria_pipeline
The pipeline would be a competitor to the Nabucco pipeline from Azerbaijan to Europe.[1] It is also an alternative to the Qatar-Turkey pipeline which had been proposed by Qatar to run from Qatar to Europe via Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and Turkey.[14] Syria's rationale for rejecting the Qatar proposal was said to be "to protect the interests of [its] Russian ally, which is Europe's top supplier of natural gas."[14]
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/201285133440424621.html
Deep beneath "Damascus volcano" and "the battle of Aleppo", the tectonic plates of the global energy chessboard keep on rumbling. Beyond the tragedy and grief of civil war, Syria is also a Pipelineistan power play.
More than a year ago, a $10 billion Pipelineistan deal was clinched between Iran, Iraq and Syria for a natural gas pipeline to be built by 2016 from Iran's giant South Pars field, traversing Iraq and Syria, with a possible extension to Lebanon. Key export target market: Europe.
During the past 12 months, with Syria plunged into civil war, there was no pipeline talk. Up until now. The European Union's supreme paranoia is to become a hostage of Russia's Gazprom. The Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline would be essential to diversify Europe's energy supplies away from Russia.
It gets more complicated. Turkey happens to be Gazprom's second-largest customer. The whole Turkish energy security architecture depends on gas from Russia - and Iran. Turkey dreams of becoming the new China, configuring Anatolia as the ultimate Pipelineistan strategic crossroads for the export of Russian, Caspian-Central Asian, Iraqi and Iranian oil and gas to Europe.
He's a paid pipeline denier. On ZH all day and night since 2009.
OK, yea right. No evidence at all.
It does not matter how many times you repeat a lie, or an error, or a myth, it does not change one bit due to repetition. And there is ABSOLUTELY ZERO EVIDENCE of a Qatari pipeline planned to go through Syria.
It's pure bullshit.
In fact the first person I remember putting it forward, was Pepe Escobar (before Tyler, Guardian etc., did).
Again, with ZERO EVIDENCE.
Fools, rubes and victims of con-jobs believe in fantasies, myths and unsubstantiated baseless claims.
Swimming against the tide in an ocean sized gallery of nutty peanuts... You must be crazy. Cheers
so if not for cash via resources then to what end? Military dominace of the Med? A vast new Israel? Spreading democracy? Enlighten us, you are the second poster to say it's not about oil/gas, but do not submit another thesis.
Why the hell do you feel a perpetual 'need' for another 'thesis'???!!! That's your problem! You end up adopting any old crap, simply because of an entirely PSYCHOLOGICAL DEMAND to have pat 'explanations' no matter that they are speculative rubbish! That's stupid and self-defeating! It's also EXACTLY the trait and weakness of mind that psyops target, to exploit and manipulate. And it works, because so many are like you, it why you end up believing in fictitious nothings and are manipulated imaginary figments.
Just get over your addiction to needing to 'know' when some things are not known and may never be knowable. The things you don't know must be understood as unknowns, and they may remain unknowns, and not just pretend they are 'knowns', via merely substituting in unsubstantiated theory and pretending you 'know' something. That's just a belief in drag.
You then not only don't know, you will know less in future too because you've just placed a barrier to finding out in your mind, a baseless theory that you stupidly allowed, simply due to your feebleness of mind and inability to think about and parse evidence. There are in fact very few people who are any good at it. If you adopt baseless theories as 'explanations' you will be permanently lost in a porridge of theoretical unsubstantiated nonsens, and you will not be able to analyze your way out of a wet paper bag. let alone learn anything real, let alone act on it effectively.
Nice analysis and an important point about the need to admit ignorance, also known as humility.
Nice analysis and an important point about the need to admit ignorance, also known as humility.
Go Putin Go!
Off with their heads.
Good background on Russia’s role in Syria.
Link: thesaker.is/on-russian-military-interventions-or-lack-thereof
We need to rename this site the "I love Putin" and Alford E. Newman site. You seem so have such a gushing love for that ex KGB agent, billionaire oligarch. Having said that I think the American government is no better.
XXX Hail Putin
Thanks for framing your position perfectly Alfred.
You are welcome you Nazi asswipe
You are welcome you Nazi asswipe
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Putin T-shirts -get them now. They're going fast.
A better version
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/yu_sinilga/33481294/392673/392673_origina...
Having said that I think the American government is no better.
As an American, my sentiments go out to whoever Washington picks a fight with.
I've spent a good deal of time trying to asess the outcome of a hot war with the Russia/China/Iran axis. If I am correct, Washington doesn't have a chance. The USSA has squandered enormous sums of money on what amounts to public works projects. The axis, on the other hand devoted their more limited resources on defensive weapons at low cost. The American carrier fleet cannot defend against missiles flying at supersonic speeds. American nuclear submarines are noisy, Russian diesel-electrics with sound absorbing hulls are undetectable. American continental missiles are silo based. Russian continental missiles are mobile, designed to fit in a shipping container. Then there's the trillion dollar F35 project that can't win a dogfight against an F16. The B1 bomber was designed to be invisible to radar - no more.
Personally, I don't think we will have a hot war on the scale of WWII. Maybe an economic war, but not a hot war.
"As an American, my sentiments go out to whoever Washington picks a fight with."
That is very thougtful of you I'm sure that "whoever" will hold you in high regard during the war.
As a non-American I would like Americans to follow the advice of their founding fathers and not get involved in foreign entanglements isn't 50 million dead since world war 2 enough plus the fact you've fucked over,turned against,brought down,or betrayed just about every friend you ever had in the middle east and asia.Your foreign policy could only be supported by an episodal schizophrenic as only one of those might make some sense of it.
It's not difficult to understand US foreign and domestic policy. The US does what "Israel" wants. That's all there is to it. The only problem is determining what "Israel" is, because there's certainly more to "Israel" than that small strip of land in the Levant. My own theory is that the Israel which decides world affairs is a shadowy power which occupies the City of London, that small Judaeo-Masonic enclave which is the counterpoint to the Holy See and which in all its secret doings acts contrary to the true Israel, namely the Catholic Church.
When this fake "Israel" clicks its fingers the US obeys, Israel obeys, the UK obeys. This is where the "Mystery of Iniquity" has made its home, and thus this is the Babylon that must fall if humanity is to have a civilized, peaceful and prosperous future.
Same as it ever was: Christ v anti-christ, Church v anti-church, Catholicism v Judaeo-Masonry. And, as always, there's only one winner in this contest.
It's a hot war right now, both sides are directly involved, both are using heavy conventional weapons. The chances of them firing at each other, even accidentally, is high.
You seem to have such hatred for a decent intelligent man who wants to protect his country from the bullying warmongers of USA/NATO.
Meantime you worship a nigger and the ''American Way'' which is nothing close to a real democracy or even a Republic.
A nation of fucktards like you.
Niggers:Dutch imports.
On another note, it can't help but be noticed that you spend an enormous amount of time here ejaculating out your mouth. Don't you have ANY friends to play with?
Any at all?
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I don't think that is the case, just no love for a Marxist, anti-American homosexual. Or love for a NEO-fascict NAZI regime.
"Currency Wars---> Trade Wars--->Real Wars"
--Gerald Celente
I could be wrong but ...
I think Putin is sending to Syria one Chechen contingent.
Are Muslims who speak Russian, try to learn more about them.
If I'm right, ISIS is kindergarten's play.
You can not imagine how much that one can be a cruel war much less the ability of the Chechens, "politically correct" does not exist in their dictionary.
I told here that Putin and the Russian-speaking (can be Slavic or other ethnicity) are subtle as a pachyderm.
hehe.
+100
I saw a video of the Prime minister of Chechnya declaring his friendship to Putin, Russia and the Russians. They have rebuilt the main city Grozny and the economy appears to be doing well.
The Chechen leader offer a 20,000 man contingent of figghters any time Putin needs help.
These guys are very tough like Gurkas. I thought I read that the Georgians were told a unit of Chechens were coming during the short war between Russia and Georgia. Supposedly another reason why the Georgians pissed in their pants and ran away.
Unlike the "liberators" of ZATO, Russian's don't need an excuse, they were invited....there's a big difference.
No sovereign nation invitation or UN charter equals war criminal funny the networks dont mention this
Vlad announced the Russians were coming with him flying the lead plane. Daesh immediately cut off their own heads.
Peace reigned.
Putin went to this doctor for a sligh back ache,
Doctor told him ''Don't lift anything heavy'
So now Vlad has to sit down to take a piss
Hemorrhoids can be a heavy burden.
But you love them becausse you keep licking my asshole.
Two things will happen (already happened) due to this public disclosure.
The US and proxies will need to begin training and supply of manpads into theater - which will blow-back.
Turkey will begin to be responsible for a new underground railroad of fighters and materiel from Syria/Kurdistan to Georgia and Chechnya and the Russian frontier - which will further play into more Putin internal security consolidation.
Or flood Europe with 180,000 fighters like they said that would/are do/doing currently
Looking at all the chaos and fighting and killing, and all the reasons behind it, I will make the following statement: You were unlucky if you were born in that country. (Maybe not a country, more like a chopping block).
As I stated in a prior thread, I have no problems with the.Russians doing the.dirty work there. At least their field commanders and.men won't be burdened with any stupid rules of engagement.
Or sexual harassment traing, or gender fairness training or Homosexuality acceptance, or enviromental training,
What a nonsense. Is this ZH Kiev Edition?
Nothing new, all that Putin was saying for years. The Russians have milti-decade long military agreements with the Syrian government for modest delivery and maintenance of the military equipment. And since there are no UN sanctions against Syria, military supplies are not illegal. Hence what's going on is mainly delivery of the equipment that was paid for years ago and hold up due to the war.
And when equipment arrives some Russian technical specialists are there to make sure the stuff works that's all. The training itself is conduted in Russia. No invasion and no Russian fighting IS. All of that talk is a bullshit.
Just look at latest videos from fighting in Jobar or elsewhere in Syria what you see are dilapidated T72s from 30 years ago. Where is the Russian assistance or support or engagement, nowhere to be found.
For objective look on Syrian war and Russian role in it read:
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/syrian-war-update/
PUTIN is in this for his own reasons ... and it's got NOTHING to do with ISIS. The fact that he's willing to keep "bleeding" the lives of his own troops in the Ukraine, and also start a new stream of Russian casualties in Syria .... shows that he is going "all in" for this poker game.
You believe Russia has troops in Ukraine? LOL
No question about it.
I hope they are there to help the Donbass people who voted for FREEDOM and INDEPENDANCE from the Swastika flying Neo Nazis of Kiev.
I bet you support the Kiev Nazis,though,
Who told you that? Let me guess, the liars of the USA govt and FOXCNNABCCBSNBC
Who told you that? Let me guess, the liars of the USA govt and FOXCNNABCCBSNBC
So does the U.S.its a proxy war between oligarchs
.....and Zato doesn't have special ops folks there either
Like the US in Afghanistan,Iraq, Africa, etc.
"The fact that he's willing to keep "bleeding" the lives of his own troops in the Ukraine,..."
Remember Wendy's commercial... Wheres the beef?
Well,,,, Where's the beef?
And exactly where does the usa border Ukraine as compared to Russia?
Putin may well want to destroy ISIS (which is a good thing for anyone to want to do), but, as I see it, there's much more going on here.
To begin with, it was Russia that untangled the "red line" mess that a hip-shooting Obama created with Syria and Assad. They're NOT going to put up with our injection into Syria, an old ally, for any reason, especially our half-hearted efforts to quell a bunch like ISIS that our failure in Iraq led to. We created this monster that now threatens a Russian ally. That ally now needs help, as it is failing. Therefore, Russia responds.
We do the same thing with respect to OUR satellites, like Japan or South Korea, for example. No one would expect Russia to save South Korea from the North, although they might dust Kim just to be rid of him, and that would likely cork any conflict with the South...for the time being.
The other thing going on here, I think, has to do with Ukraine.
The new Russia ain't the old Russia.
ISIS in Syria provides a potent way to show that to Washington, clearly, before DC's constant antagonisms against Russia over Ukraine requires Russian action there.
I hope Obama, and any would-be successor, is paying very close attention.
We may not get a second demonstration...
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If Putin wanted to stop IS he could simply provide proof they are being run by ? Or by destroying the logistics.
destroying the logistics?
That would mean bombing Turkey.
Dont trust any of the players. They all work for the banksters. That goes for Putin too. They are all yanking our chain.
Use basic logic. We honest folks are getting played as always. WW3 is going to be between governments and the peoples under its various boots. The goal a one world government ruling the planet thru fraud. Why you may ask? Because they can. For now.
Looking forward to hear why a comment like that would be downvoted.
if you look at the recent attempts to destabilize the ruble and Russian stockmarkets and also via sanctions the economy in general it would seem obvious he has fallen out of favour with Brussels/City of London and Washington
They are destabilizing all coin in use today. Example A. The USA! Example B China!
Russia seems to be treading very lightly because they know that if they get drawn out into too many military conflicts and spend too much of the fruits of their productivity (which is under attack through sanctions) on military expenditure that they are screwed.... again.
I think that this article and a recent one which was quite similar are dead on as far as what is going on geostrategically in the area except I don't think that Russia is trying to control Europe, they are trying to hold on to their income streams and survive against a lethal and experienced aggressor. Chechnya or any other vulnerability could light up any minute and the logistics of protecting Russias massive western border boggles the mind (if it comes to that). It is easy to see why Russia desperately needs China as an ally and China is not in a great situation either.
This really sucks, another collossal waste of resources and human life.
Its the USA that is the aggresso both on China and Russia.
First the USA wanted the Soviet Union to collapse Then when that happened and Russia became capitalist , the USA spit in their faces and broke the treaty of 1991.
The USA is NEVER to be trusted, They could give a damn about the people or freedom. All they want is for every country to kiss their fat asses.
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
Those pics are for sure in Syria,,, I can tell because of the shade of the blue skies.
Of course if this is from Farcebook or Twitter it just has to be true!
Has anyone considered to ask the critical question of what may have been discovered there that everyone is rushing in to the Middle East for? Not oil, but what would have Saudi arabia, the U.S. its proxies and Russia there and China it must be bigger than oil or a seaport
A domino to world domination by the Useless States of Americunts and Israhell.
And another thing...
What's with this rash of "As I said all along..."
If you said it all along, then QUIT FUCKING SAYING IT.
Thank you.
Fuck you very much
Thank you
ISIS was created by Israel and the US to depopulate Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq, in advance of their occupation by Israel. Israel simply doesn't have the population and manpower to subdue these much larger states as it does the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza so it is using mercenaries and terror to assure depopulation and voluntary immigration. The promise of relocation to Western Europe is the carrot and ISIS is the stick. So far the dumb Europeans seem OK with the idea.
I have to laugh when people say ''Israel has the most powerful military''
The fucking IDF are true cowards who only know how to shoot women and children, even bragging about how whey they kill a pregnant woman, they get 2 for one.
Their rhetoric makes Nazi Germans sound like choir boys.
But the IDF run like hell when up against REAL men of Hezbollah.
Jews are USERS and EXPLOITERS who always get others to do the dirty work,
Thats been their Modus Operandi throughout history and that is why JEWS are so hated.
They could never win against Iran without some help. Thats why their plans for the USA to attack Iran don't seem to be happening.
Just remember this, Jews would NEVER , EVER send their troops to die for YOU, but they expect YOUR troops to die for them.
Its all part of their upbringing as being the ''chosen people' who are superiour to all other human beings.
IDF really is the israeli dumb fucks. They have to threaten them to get them out of the brothels in order to go shoot pali women and children in the back.
Spot on analysis. Even the hasbara trolls are afraid to down vote you.
Turkey’s crackdown on the Kurds proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Islamic State will serve as a smokescreen
That much is very true. ISIS has often made large troop movements inside Iraq traveling in open convoys along the desert highways to launch attacks on major Iraqi cities. Some observers are wondering how the USA and NATO could stand by with their all powerful air forces and leave these troop movements untouched! Well, we know the west helped create and protect ISIS as it formed inside the anti Assad Syrian forces that Turkey and the USA helped fund, arm and train.
The USA, according to one Iraqi parliament member, is not fighting ISIS, but instead directing the direction of ISIS attacks. Using force to push ISIS to where the USA wants them to operate. Recent intelligence shows ISIS gearing up for attacks on China and Russia in their remote Central Asian border areas. We can figure who in ISIS is making these moves!
Russia, oddly enough, just made a show of denial that they would involve troops or aircraft directly. Rumors a week ago were that Russia would send forces to aid Assad, but then Russian leaders issued flat denial they would do this. So, I am on the fence for now. Russians are in Assads forces, former military memebers came to aid Assad's troops with technical issues. Also individual citizens have come to Syria from Russia to film the combats. Go to YouTube, you will see Russian videos taken during battles. There are a lot of Russian advisors there to help manage to new weapons systems. I haven't seen enough new evidence to say Russia has sent combat forces. It may have, I just haven't seen enough yet.
Yep. Nobody is going after the logistics. That kinds says it all.
The CIA stirred up a handful of fucking rebel terrorists in Ben-Ghazi who as my Libyan friends told me were ''snakes in the grass' when I worked there in 2002-2003.
USA/NATO bombed Libya with about 200 cruise missiles.
As my Libyan friends in Tripoli say ''We could have routed the rebels within 24 hours if not for the NATO bombings.
America and Israel are the biggest purveyours of STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM on the planet.
No doubt. They are not the only ones playing that game either.
It seems to me that the past few months there have been more Israeli and Turkish airstrikes which of course end up dropping on Assads' troops.
Meethinks Putin is starting to put Turkey/US/Israel/SA on notice that these airstrikes will not be allowed - if memory serves just recently an Israeli aircraft didn't make it back from one of these attacks (not to mention a few Israeli crashes in Yemen as well even earlier).
As long as islamic-cult worshipers are being killed, I don't care who is doing it or why because this is an absolute supreme GOOD !
Include the fucking Jesus cult worshippers with their fairytale Buybull and all the Jews. Kill them all and let NO ONE sort them out
doucheboy, the islamic cult-worshiping living pig-shit sub-human inferior defective is back, under a new alias, who looks just as retarded as doucheboy really is !
I don't worship anyone, because I am not a weak minded fucktard like you.
BTW, we know you enjoy probing assholes with your tongue , so I kindly ask you to get your tongue out of my ass, faggot
I almost have pity for you, because you are such an inferior defective failure, struggling to cope with your inadequacy and shame over having been totally defeated by the israelis EVERY time you worthless desert rodents tried to challenge them - always makes me break out in laughter thinking of how the israelis always crush you pathetic living comedies !
ROFLMAO
What a total retard you are. FYI I wipe my ass with pages from the Buybull, the Koran, the Talmud and Torah.
Just because your Muslim boyfriend left you for someone who has bigger dick, you now hate all Muslims.
IF ISIS was real, I could only hope they raid your home and finish your sad ignorant arse off.
Let's all hope and pray that Putin starts kicking some new bolshevik-isis-zionist fucking ass. Time to end this charade call zionism.
Putin is a moderate. Many Russian people want him to waste Kiev
Nice icon bro. ;)
Thank you. You're obviously a gentleman and a scholar.
Headline: "Putin Confirms Scope Of Russian Military Role In Syria"
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Answer... not very much.
"Sensational" headline writing there Tylers.
Who needs Putin when we have Paulsen, Geithner, Rubin, and Summersto destroy the US?
UFB! Laughing it up at the mess they made
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/geithner-rubin-paulson-income-inequa...
Let's face it.
The US is not in military conditions facing China and Russia.
NATO is a joke (mobilization days while Russians mobilized in less than an hour (60 minutes)).
The best fighters, bombers, tanks, troop homogeneous with the same language (can not seem to, it scares the US).
Not to mention that the economic situation in Europe, USA and Japan is in chaos, the IMF already was.
Paper money unbacked.
How much is a house of a billion dollars in California when the fire arrives?
Prices are unreal, things are not worth what they are advertised for sale.
A lot of illusion ...
Commodities are falling but it will be for a short time, the world can not live without iron, coal, niobium, beans etc ..
The world can live very well without Monsanto, without pesticides and genetically modified seeds that burst open people's health as well as chlorine and fluoride in the water.
Honestly, I feel sorry for the Northern Hemisphere this winter.
Things are getting ugly, very ugly.
When the stampede to get, believe me it will not be like in the movie where the South nations willingly accept the US population.
It will be a great and beautiful ring finger.
You fucked us, now our turn to give change, no politically correct Christianity on good souls will each his own!
The dog Law.
You voted, accepted what his government did, he acted under their agreement.
So....
Be damned ...
You can't beat someone in their own back yard who doesn't even speak the language.
Americans just can't get that thru their thick skulls..
How many troops would the USA need to cover 9 Time zones??
None. Propaganda is nearly free. The boots on the ground only need to be fellow travelers. The CIA installed leadership will do the rest.
Generally fighting wars the old way is very expensive.
60 minutes to mobilize? That is a lie. Russia can mobilize in 5 minutes and 13 seconds.
And the West had better watch out. Russia could put 27 divisions in Syria in 14 minutes and 51 seconds. Complete with all required barracks and eqpt. With that kind of mobility the Zios don't stand a chance.
Seriously Tylers, you are trusting the Barclay Brothers and AFP (French Masons) to be your "boots on the ground" sources as to what is really going on in Syria?
How do we not know that that the given photos of Russian equipment is not rehashed photos from the Georgia incursion, years back? The terrain in Georgia and Northern Syria is very similar.
Everyone here at the same will praise Putin (and he should be praised for his diplomatic maturity), but will poo poo his official spokesman when he clearly states all these stories of Russian presence en mass in Syria, are hoaxes.
So we praise Russia and Putin on the one hand, at the same we despise them as liars? [1]
http://www.rt.com/news/314141-russia-syria-jets-reports/
If there are no jets in Syria, then there are certainly no significant ground presence in Syria. With the exception of spec ops (SPETNAZ) which we all have, and cannot be confirmed or denied officially. Just the nature of spook-craft there.
Again, if anyone understands their spook-craft. The CIA is not HUMINT. Hasn't been since Angleton left. The DIA (MI) is specifically HUMINT. Between the present CIA and DIA, it is more like the KGB and the GRU of the USSR. The two literally hated each other. The GRU, largely not party members, best remnants of the White Army of the Czar. And Putin was GRU. Never KGB. Although headed the FSB briefly. (source: Lee Wanta, Totten Doctrine Secret Agent to President Reagan)
Please get a real education and start studying:
https://app.box.com/s/hfgvcqg7gqh7i27at6sv53ywu87lwarp
Start with 11 minute teaser. Follow bread crumbs from there ..
If one follows all crumbs given, then in short order, you will become a far superior analyst than any sitting at any desk in Langley ..
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[1] Believe me (or don't). Putin wants to be on best of terms with our White Hats. They/We have $30 BILLION waiting for him. $30 B is not chump change. (with $5 B waiting for most everyone else. History teaches that one can do a lot with $5 B: http://eagleonetowanta.com/?page_id=10)
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[1] Believe me (or don't). Putin wants to be on best of terms with our White Hats. They/We have $30 BILLION waiting for him. $30 B is not chump change.
Huh? Any clues on what this means? Who are our white hats? I doubt America has any white hats anymore.
Thanks for the info on GRU being White Army. Strelkov is one as well, I think. So KGB were the zoligarchs stooges.
"UGH!" Multipost.
""UGH!" Multipost.
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"And Putin was GRU. Never KGB."
Putin was KGB. My friend's husband was a close working colleague of Putin for many years, same rank KGB, and they were neighbours and close friends (partying round each others houses). Friend was KGB research scientist.
First and foremost though, and which was an absolute taboo subject in the USSR (like is becoming in USA today) wherever you were employed, Putin was, and is, a devout Eastern Orthodox Christian. This is a reality that too many seem unaware of the significance of, and too many fail to notice Putin's frequent visits to Mount Athos, etc. The briefest use of a search engine will confirm this.
Too many people also seem to ignore his very real (and Public) warning to America, not to make the terrible mistake of going down the road of Socialism, to repeat the terrible damage that it did to Russia.
Too many people seem to think he is some sort of 'Communist'. He wasn't, and isn't.
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A territorial saturation you need three soldiers for every inhabitant.
A city of 100,000 people, 300,000 soldiers, is out of the question.
An armed soldier can handle and six months worth of five people but after this time the guy gets stressed.
Tired.
Subject to take a stab in the back or an IED in the ass.
No more are the reflection of a fighter.
And that's why every war the US from Korea to this day did not work out.
You hold, breaks, bombs, torture but the population is united and cohesive the years, speak the same language and kill.
A population is as white blood cells in our body, kill strange things.
Let's talk about Israel and the Jews, I know many here in Brazil we are friends but when the sons of bitches decide to speak of Israel has the mentality of American Jews.
All of them are the best, they are anointed gods on humans.
The thing is not so ...
They have nothing of what were the Diaspora in 70 AD made in two thousand years only a blood trace genetically indecipherable of being a Jew.
You can find a lowering his pants and that alone confirms that unhappy is Jewish.
Genetically Europeans are returning to a land that is not theirs.
Better not extend me, I can fill a few pages on the subject, does not fit here.
Regards.
Proftel
:-)
You can find a lowering his pants and that alone confirms that unhappy is Jewish.
Ron Jeremy?
If the USA invaded Russia, FEDEX would have lots of businesses.
During the war ON Iraq. Dead GI's were being sent home in a box via FEDEX
Time to buy FEDEX stocks.
Well. That is how you mobilize surge capacity. The Russians should have had that kind of capacity in Afghganistan.
The Chinese are the Jews of the Orient.
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this is truly ba brilliant operation. isis is created, like hamas in palestine, to act as a foil to the true political goal in the syria. so just as hamas is used to demonize the palestinians isis is used to demonize islamic fundamentalists. this gives everyone in the region the cover story for intervention, fighting islamic fundamentalists, while the real goal remains, unseat assad and put a goldman suchs guy in.
russia is obviously in syria and there probably are russian "volunteers" crawling all over the place. all it took was to shoot down one israeli fighter bomber to stop the vaunted idf jetheads. i don't think russia or china are going to put up with any more usa zionazi crap. they are done and let the fireworks begin. the millenials will learn to love the draft and trips to exotic foreign lands to make peace in the world. they will love keeping peace with a 200 mil man chinese army.
Is that a map of Greater Israel?
They would like to think it is.
I see the Mossad is busy in Lebanon stirring the pot .
Love it. KGB vs Mossad vs CIA. I wonder who will win?
KGB and kikeroaches like YOU will in the future be vapourized for the good of mankind.
And so it begins.
So he's been enticed into war on two fronts? Chess player my ass.
Evidently you are not a chess player.
Wasn't Europe worried that people were not having enough babies!!
A population boom like no other courteous of US foreign policy!
Can't wait until the people of Yemen start flowing in! and Turkey should just pack up the Syrians they received (1,000,000) and send them to Europe also!
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The USA is using ISIS to destablize Syria. and Erdogan (head of ISIS), threatens to send ISIS into Crimea to stir up the Tartars.
Putin has to take action soon
AlfredNeumann:
I enjoyed reading the bravado on the M1 Abrams.
The indestructible tank with a gas turbine!
Pure propaganda!
The beast is heavy, breaking a lot, jams, is full of technology, a mastodon.
If he had the command of a unit with 12 tanks of these, they would turn away more than 1,000 meters from the barracks!
They are burning in droves in the Middle East and there is no way to contain the NSA videos on YouTube!
What I like most in US weapons is the F-35, the largest tortoise project that I have experienced in 53 years of life!
Best he only Valkiria to fuck the budget of the troop!
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Any day we talk more (if the world does not end before)
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I am retired flight engineer (DC-8)
I worked in Libya for Ghaddaffi govt on VIP DC-8
My boss (Lebanese billonaire) had 12 aircraft leased to Ghaddaffi. Some VIP config some freighers (IL-76)
The Il-72 's are very strong built. I flew on a couple of test flights with the crew
We had Russian crews there and we were the only European crews.
Russians don't over engineer their aircraft.
US aircraft put in lots of fancy electronics that breaks down A LOT.
I could tell you LOTS more
I know who you are with new moniker : Dutchboy but earlier you said you are a vietnam vet and now suddenly a retired flight engineer ?
Clear it up .
OKay, USAF 1964-74, Vietnam 71-72 discharged from USAF and then went on to get FAA license first A and P, then FE license.
Clear now?
Hey, I was reading trough your posts.
Honestly, whatever pills you take, take less!
LOL, well kid, I don't take Rx or illegal drugs. Thats an American thing , 80 percent of the USA is on Rx meds.
Putin is just protecting the Russians in Israel.
Finally Russia is going to be sucked into this mess...hope they spend billions...Middle East has sucked enough American blood and money...
OH, yes, the USA was forced into spending their blood and money in the Middle East.
''Always the victim''
They learned that schtick from their Masters , the Zionist Jews.
OH, yes, the USA was forced into spending their blood and money in the Middle East.
''Always the victim''
They learned that schtick from their Masters , the Zionist Jews.
Russia is controlled by the Zionists. No wonder they want in on the war.
You can see the ring in his nose.
How can you see that when your tongue is in his ass?
I wonder how many US military will start deserting to Russian side as soon as the war break up?
They can barely speak English much less Russian
They will be rejected.
Who wants a bunch of pansies who need cookies from MOM and a PX nearby.
No War for Oil!, right?
The Tag-Team Of Terror: USSA / ISISrael
Jew Yawk city or state?
Did you hear about the Brit tourist in Jew Yawk city?
Stopped someone on the street and said ''Could you direct me to the Guggenheim Museum, or should I go fuck myself''??
Both.
Talking about Brit tourists -every bartender I know says the Brits are the worst tippers - the "cheapest mofo's on the planet" apparently (apart from "the tribe", of course - who, when it comes time to pay, seem to scrutinize every item on the tab as if they were lookin' for their name on Schindler's List).
"Talking about Brit tourists -every bartender I know says the Brits are the worst tippers"
That's because tipping bartenders is not the done thing in Britain, so people are not used to it. Waiters in restaurants, yes, but not bartenders. Don't ask me why.