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Russian Military Presence In Syria Risks "Confrontation" With US-Backed Forces, Kerry Warns Lavrov
On Friday, Vladimir Putin conceded that the scope of Russian military involvement in Syria is “quite serious.”
In a replay of the Kremlin’s official line regarding Russian involvement in Ukraine, Putin did not admit that his soldiers were on the ground to play a direct combat role.
However, the Russian President’s comments did suggest that Moscow’s logistical and technical assistance goes far beyond the purely “political” cover the Kremlin has granted Assad via Moscow’s Security Council veto. It also suggests that Russia isn’t prepared to accept a Syrian state controlled by a puppet government likely to be sympathetic to Washington and Riyadh.
Of course the official reason for Moscow’s presence in Syria is the same as the Washington’s: they’re both there, ostensibly, to fight ISIS.
For those who still do not understand that ISIS has become, as we put it earlier, “a kind of catch-all, go-to excuse for legitimizing whatever one feels like doing,” the situation in Syria can be extraordinarily confusing. For instance, at least one mainstream media outlet was having quite a difficult time on Saturday trying to understand why the US seems so concerned about Russia’s presence in Syria when both sides are supposed to be after the same thing - that is, defeating terrorism. The reason is because both sides are not in fact after the same thing, and neither of which cares too much about what does or doesn’t happen to ISIS unless the group’s fate somehow matters in determining whether a post-civil war Syria is still governed by Assad. In short, ISIS has played its role. The Assad regime is destabilized and Damascus is up for grabs. From here on out, it’s all about whether a coalition comprised of the US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Qatar ends up in a direct military conflict with Russia and the Assad regime. That would be the geopolitical “main event.”
Underscoring the above is the alarm with which Russia’s stepped up presence in Syria has been greeted by Washington. Far from being elated that, amid the worst relations between the US and Russia since the Cold War, the two powers are still on the same page when it comes to combating terrorism, Washington is instead worried that the Kremlin is willing to resort to overt military support to shore up Assad’s depleted forces. As a reminder, here’s what the US claims to know (via LA Times):
US intelligence has captured evidence of a significant escalation of Russia's military engagement in Syria's civil war, including satellite images of an apparent Russian base for staging troops and heavy equipment under construction near a port city that is a stronghold for Syrian President Bashar Assad, U.S. officials say.
The reconnaissance photos of possible military housing being built near the international airport in Latakia province provides strong evidence of deepening involvement by President Vladimir Putin's government in the four-year-old Syrian war, according to the officials, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.
In addition, the Russians have asked at least one country bordering Syria for a window of time to fly a detachment of warplanes over its territory and into Syria, the officials said. The officials would not name the country, but Turkey lies between Russia and Syria.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has been on a diplomatic offensive in recent weeks trying to marshal support for a plan to bring peace to Syria that would include a role for Assad. But those talks with Saudi and other Middle East leaders have failed to win over opponents.
The new military buildup could reflect a recognition by the Russians that with those talks going nowhere, Assad needs more help from them.
"It's pretty obvious that all the Russian logistics preparation is to do something significant in support of Assad," said Christopher Harmer, a military analyst at the Institute for the Study of War, a nonpartisan public policy group in Washington. "At this point, it's too big to be a misdirection."
“Too big to be a misdirection,” which presumably is why John Kerry jumped on the phone with Lavrov on Saturday. The State Department says "the secretary made clear that if such reports were accurate, these actions could further escalate the conflict, lead to greater loss of innocent life, increase refugee flows and risk confrontation with the anti-ISIL coalition operating in Syria.”
Note that if any of what the State Department says there is true, it’s entirely because John Kerry knows that Russian support will allow the Assad regime to continue to fight for control of the country. That is, if anyone actually believed Russia was there to fight ISIS, then one would think the effect would be to decrease refugee flows and lead to fewer civilian casualties as ISIS’ forces are swiftly defeated. After all, the Soviet experience in Afghanistan notwithstanding, one would certainly think that ISIS isn’t operationally capable of waging an extended ground war against the Russian army (as an aside, it would be ironic - given the Soviet-Afghan war - if the Russians end up mired in a protracted conflict with a CIA-backed group of jihadists). However, what would increase refugee flows, lead to greater civilian casualties, and “further escalate the conflict” is if Russia is simply in Syria to help Assad fight on to the bitter end. In other words, the State Department is tacitly admitting that this has very little (and more likely nothing) to do with ISIS.
Here’s The New York Times with more on what Washington claims to know about Russia’s involvement thus far:
Russia has sent a military advance team to Syria and is taking other steps the United States fears may signal that President Vladimir V. Putin is planning to vastly expand his military support for President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, administration officials said Friday.
The Russian moves, including the recent transport of prefabricated housing units for hundreds of people to a Syrian airfield and the delivery of a portable air traffic control station there, are another complicating factor in Secretary of State John Kerry’s repeated efforts to enlist Mr. Putin’s support for a diplomatic solution to the bloody conflict in Syria.
The Russians have also filed military overflight requests with neighboring countries through September.
American officials acknowledge that they are not certain of Russia’s intentions, but some say the temporary housing suggests that Russia could deploy as many as 1,000 advisers or other military personnel to the airfield near the Assad family’s ancestral home. The airfield serves Latakia, Syria’s principal port city.
American intelligence analysts are also looking at ship loadings in Russia to determine what might be bound for Syria, and one official speculated that the Russian deployment might eventually grow to 2,000 to 3,000 personnel.
“There are some worrisome movements — logistical, preparatory types of things.”
Yes, “preparatory types of things” - the million dollar geopolitical question is this: what exactly are they preparing for?
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It was fine and dandy for the US to create ISIS to topple Assad. It was also great that Obama lied about Assad's use of sarin to try to get a major war started as exposed by Seymour Hersh. It is completely fine that US is now bombing Syria
But Russians supporting their traditional ally Syria is completely unacceptable.
Forward - to more war.
Lurch won the Silver Star... he wouldn't lie just to support the neocon agenda......
The US is losing against ISIS as it has no experiance in defeating Terrorist Groups as it only ever creates them.
So Wrong for So Long
Why neoconservatives are never right.
No, the real problem is that the neoconservative worldview — one that still informs the thinking of many of the groups and individuals who are most vocal in opposing the Iran deal — is fundamentally flawed. Getting Iraq wrong wasn’t just an unfortunate miscalculation, it happened because their theories of world politics were dubious and their understanding of how the world works was goofy. When your strategic software is riddled with bugs, you should expect a lot of error messages.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/08/21/neoconservatives-so-wrong-for-so-lon...
Wait! The Commie Rat Bastards go to fight the same guys we're fighting? And we're not happy for the newly found show of peace and solidarity between heretofore rival factions now arm in arm united against a common enemy? Who we created to overthrow Assad and we're not happy?
You got some splainin' to do, Barry
They're gonna get us all killed
I feel for the soldiers, sailors, and airmen, on both sides, that will die, either in combat, or by their own hand after the action, to further the economic interests of a few very wealthy men.
Former General Smeldly Butler said it best,
"war is a racket."
It wasn’t Turkey; it was Greece who allowed the Russian transport planes to fly to Syria over their territory Sept 1 through Sept 24.
Ain’t it funny, a NATO-member gives our State Department a finger? ;-)
Looney
Fucking warmongers, as if that "accidental" confrontation has not been the plan all along anyways.
Front and center and Rooshiya and Putin ( do note PUT-IN) probably very much in the same game, this is going to be the age of the proxy war.
WWIII will be fought by proxy by confused troops all over the world, with no basis for what or who they are fighting for or against.
The UN-PEACEKEEPERS (please not the ironical pun) as a prime example (it is a growing military force with everything, planes, troops, equipment/bases).
Also, last remaining monarchs and shadow turrrrrrrist groups are the enemy. And by god they will be BOMBED where-ever they go. Too bad if it is your country they decided to infiltrate/take refuge in.
Not to mention of course that all these isil/boko haram/al Q/Nusrat whathefucktri/Thefuckris all bastard spawns of old OSS plots and implantations now managed by the OSS spawned unholy triumverate of CIA/MOSSAD/MI6....
Car-ma is a'comin' for some folk...
The Caliphate, sitting front and center is twitching, eager to throw off their forced secularism at last...
my contribution to this whole mess's ab-solution is coming soon...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjmWeypvoQg
Yeah, any aircraft without Assad Syria's permission will be shot down out of the sky.
But but....
Now America has help.fighting the terrible terrorist organization "isis".
Why isnt Kerry thanking RussiA??
For helping make the world safe for democracy?
Russia is going to mess up the UK/US resupply missions of ISIS:
https://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2014/06/23/senator-admits-isis-using-ussaudi-supplied-weapons-against-iraq/
Iraqi Army Shot Down a British Plane, Carrying Weapons to ISIShttp://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e8_1425117018
Correction To Main Article...
In short, ISIS has played its role. The Syrians who have been brutally attacked by on going covert US/NATO war crimes for 4 years are hanging on with a grim but dertermined defense of their country.
From here on out, it’s all about whether an ISRAELI coalition comprised of the US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Qatar ends up in a direct military conflict with Russia and the Assad regime. That would be the geopolitical “main event.”
rather than...
In short, ISIS has played its role. The Assad regime is destabilized and Damascus is up for grabs. From here on out, it’s all about whether a coalition comprised of the US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Qatar ends up in a direct military conflict with Russia and the Assad regime. That would be the geopolitical “main event."
thank you Tylers...
Edgey...
The saddest part about this whole issue is that you have Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter making fun of Western media as described in this Sputnik article:
Western Media Jumped the Gun Reporting on Russian Troops in Syria
and you could replace every instance of British stenogropher's spew in The Times and The Telegraph with 'ZeroHedge said...'. Putins statements simply confirm that Russia continues to support Syria with training and logistics, which was well-known and has been happening at the same rate it always has. The only thing that's different is that Western media's sidden discovery of the refugee crisis (they engineered) coming out simultaneously with 'Twitter' and 'Facebook' tripe on the supposed Russian invasion.
Which makes it all look like a clumsily-engineered U.S. - U.K. media spin to draw attention to the nothing-special, ongoing Russian involvement in Syria.
ZATO's Turkish puppet Erdogan (his head, specifically) is going to end up on a pike pretty soon - much sooner than ZATO planned. Saudi Arabia and the UAE just lost a crapload of their Yemeni invasion troops and Saudi losses continue to mount, so ZATO loses their Wahabbi terrorist supply and financing arm. The Kurds are winning thanks to Russian (not ZATO) help. ZATO's terrorist headquarters in Aleppo is crumbling day by day. And now ZATO's air aggression strategy is falling apart. To top it all off, Iraq (with Iranian help) is kicking ZATO's ISIS terrorists ass all over IRAN.
So - on cue - ZATO rolls out the U.S. and U.K. press to cry about a mythical 'escalation' in Syria when nothing of the sort is happening. Only this time, they don't even try to shine up their 'Russia is invading' hype - the rely on Twitter and Facebook. How sad is it really when the Western spinmeisters have to resort to such amateurish 'facts' to support their spin? Looks like they've given up on the 'Assad is Finished' angle - guess nobody was buying that for the last year or two.
When the Swedes start making fun of ZATO's pathetic PR attempts, you know things must be going REALLY bad for ZATO in Syria. The Swedes are pretty laid back. They never make fun of anybody that I recall - except the Norwegians. Something about a war five hundred years ago I think.
And then there's this from Moon of Alabama:
Under Fight-Against-ISIS Disguise "West" Prepares To Openly Attack Syria
Good Points Pave...Interesting Info...
........Sad... That maybe We are Being Zioed by Zero via Zato
@ ORI
i was gonna comment, but after readings 'yours truly' i abstain!
absolutely brilliant
BRAVO!!!
Shot at and killed by:
Who the hell knows?
Do you have a link for that?
They would also have to pass through Bulgarian (or Turkish) air space and although Bulgaria in many ways is sympathetic to Russia, it is also feeling the West's pressure regarding sanctions.
Why not over Iran ?
A big "fuck you" from the Ayotollah.
Here it is
Breaking : Athens Denies US Request to Close Airspace for Russian Aid to Syria
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150906/1026660464.html#ixzz3kybpWZvx
Pinch Me!!
Thanks
Great news.
BIG Q IS: "WTF are US backed forces doing there? (hint: Kings of Chao, Ordo ab). Russia has had Tartus Base since 1971
"Tartus hosts a Soviet-era naval supply and maintenance facility, under a 1971 agreement with Ba'athist Syria, which was—until the second year of the Syrian Civil War—staffed by Russian naval personnel. Most recently, the facility hosts the Amur class floating workshop PM-138, capable of providing technical maintenance to Russian warships deployed in the Mediterranean.[4]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_facility_in_Tartus
"Risks confrontation with WHAT US backed forces" pray tell Mr Kerry.
ISIS is US backed forces?
Whodathunk
Agree h_h. Not to mention the impact on their families, all citizens in developed countries that will pay for this in many ways, displaced peoples, etc, etc. Major cracks from our protracted wars are showing and all that seems important is who wins, who prospers? We have filled the M.E. with guns, ammo, explosives, rockets and all sorts of sundry war instruments and pretend we are pursuing peace?
There are 11 million people who are displaced by the Syrian war.
Most of them are still either in Syria or in camps nearby in neighbouring countries.
Now that Germany is very openly saying "Come to Pappa!!". This flood of people walking through Hungary is going to explode into huge 7 digit numbers.
Sounds so bullish they might be able to stop the presses!
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/europe-tracks-army-of-30000-migrant-...
Caption of Kerry picture is missing, it is "Guess how I snuck so many potatoes into the room?"
Thought it might be Kerry saying "Har.Har...These things look just like me.
How about: "I could put ketchup on these."
Nothing insightful, nothing clever. Teamdepends.
Yet another ZHer who has been here a long time who comes out of the shadows only to be negative, like the douche who attacked Miffed the other day. Makes you wonder. So, in order to make us look bad you needed to post something clever or insightful. Nothing clever, nothing insightful. Nothing. americanreality.
How about: "Meet my mother and father."
Kerry's saying to the press, "Let me introduce you to the new President and Prime Minister of Ukraine."
"7 Courics my ass!" Have a look at these beauties!
Randy Marsh aint got nothing on me!"
I wonder if his wife makes him wear a paper bag over his head in bed... Regardless, his plastic surgeon should be locked up for that crime against humanity.
Equinity but close.
If you put enough ketchup on anything...
Long Whitehouse(or Bathhouse) branded Adult Depends. Little Barry always soils himself when opposed by people he can't threaten or buy.
FORWARD SOVIET!
This country has completely lost its mind and it's never coming back. The chaos in Syria is indicative of the insane asylum escapees who run policy and control things that go bang. Now we have the ADL which thinks that the Celtic Cross is a hate symbol. What happened? Did they run out of Christmas caroles or creche displays?
http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/hate-on-display/c/celtic-cross.html#.V...
These are the same maniacs who decide what we're supposed to think about everything. In all the centuries of British rule in Ireland not one Brit ever came up with something that stupid.
We are all equal. Nationalism good. Black nationalism best. Female nationalism better.
(Or, Four legs good, two legs best. Five legs and two heads better.)
The bigger picture is the displacement and disruption of peoples/families for generations to come. Moving them from their homelands and flooding the already economically burdened West as the US and Russia are trying to prove who's dick is bigger oblivious to the consequences. We will all pay for this control BS as societies in the west already have......all the many social problems we discuss here, we don't need more.
"the secretary made clear that if such reports were accurate, these actions could further escalate the conflict,
lead to greater loss of innocent life, increase refugee flows and risk confrontation with the anti-ISIL coalition operating in Syria.”
There you have the real truth as to why this Hegelian dialectic scenario in play unfolds
Increasing the unwashed masses of immigrants to Europe to continue to destabilize an already chaotic situation in Europe
Depopulation
and another proxy war with Russia in addition to the one in Ukraine
Straight form the Horses mouth
Since he is "not sure", yet, maybe he ought to resign and replaced with someone who would know what the fuck is going on.
Not depopulation, New World Order, one world rule.
All theatre. Russia and the US are NOT Enemies, they both have central banks, go to the same globalist meetings, and serve the same master.
Just source all the pics of Lavrov all chummy with his peers at meetings and ask yourself why Russia even goes to these US sponsored clubs.
Doesn't add up until you consider there are no enemy nations, we are their enemy
if that were true then we would already have a global government in place. Eu...check. NAU...check (stealth by treaty). ASEAN...still in development as China maybe changing it's mind about goin along with the Western led NWO, hence the US meddling in the S China sea on behalf of the already NWO captuered Asian countries. AU...check. Who's missing from this....Russia. yes, they have a central bank, all modern economies do and they serve a necessary function (unfortunately is that the Western CBs are captured and not run for the benefit of their host nations/people). why do you think that the West has been poking the Bear for all of modern history? The NWO made tremendous inroads into capturing Russia after the fall of the USSR but it has stalled in it's desire for complete control, as it has over the West. ironically? Putin removed some of the tentacles that were stealing Russian resources. who cares if he then enriches himself in the process? are you fighting for the common Russian against its own gov't? i don't pretend to forecast who will win out and utlimately control Russia, but i don't see that the fight is over.....hence Ukraine and Syria...both started by the West to weaken Russia.
No coincidence that US, Russia and China ALL have the Pentangle star in their military insignia. All heading in the same direction, one world military, at which point it will probably be inverted, to appease Baphomet. A good round of sabre rattling now ensures huge budgets into the future fighting the endless war against a noun (trrrrrrrism), and a gateway to synthesis from the 'thesis/antithesis' paradigm.
US:https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=english&rais=https%3A...
http://www.stugiii.com/images/US_Vehicle_Markings.pdf
Russia: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=english&rais=https%3A...
China: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=english&rais=https%3A...
Ze Durvil: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=english&rais=https%3A...
That is correct, especially since the have the Rothschild dual head eagle hanging in the courtroom
"We have always been at war with Eurasia."
You do realize that adversaries can still talk to each other.
....and if you think that the Russians serve anyone you don't much about Russians.
They might not have the master of the universe, manifest destiny superiority complex but they definately have a "fuck with me a die" complex.... or maybe it is just nationalist pride. One that can be backed up by history.
It's not Russia or the U.S. Causing this mess. The blame lands squarely on the neocons,and the energy companies. This war is about controlling the energy to Europe.
ISIS is the Obama armed wing of the Muslim Brotherhood. He is doing nothing against them except for a few media event attacks. There is no way that ISIS was able to drive down desert roads to conquer Iraqi and Syrian cities without American complicity. Remember the Highway of Death from the first Gulf War.
ISIS is the Obama armed wing of the Muslim Brotherhood. He is doing nothing against them except for a few media event attacks. There is no way that ISIS was able to drive down desert roads to conquer Iraqi and Syrian cities without American complicity. Remember the Highway of Death from the first Gulf War.
Kerry is lying as the Nobel Prize Winner routinely does. Here are the facts:
ISIS: The jihadist movement stamped “Made in America”
The fact remains, however, that the US, the major European powers, and their regional allies all previously lent financial, military and political support to ISIS and similar groups, which have “Made in the USA” stamped all over them. They have, until now, played a significant part in Washington’s efforts to overthrow the regime of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, as part of a broader effort to gain control of the region’s vast energy resources and transit routes.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/isis-j30.html
Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has published an article demonstrating that the US government and President Barack Obama knowingly lied when they claimed that the Syrian government had carried out a sarin gas attack on insurgent-held areas last August.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/12/10/pers-d10.html
Exactly! That's why the US is dropping supplies to ISIS not bombs on ISIS. The US doesn't even dare bring up ISIS, it would show how transparent their relationship is with their out of control proxy army. We have to remember Bashir al Assad has been freely and fairly elected TWICE since 2002. It's kind of hard to make the argument that Russia is the problem when they're one ones keeping the US from destroying another Middle Eastern country.
"Lurch won the Silver Star"
This one?
http://static6.depositphotos.com/1007113/668/i/950/depositphotos_6688622...
U. ISIS. A!!
Same thing playing out in the Ukraine. And the South China Sea.
USSA imperial interests - pushed by warmongering (and profiteering) neocons - "Do as we say, not as we do."
Syria and Ukraine are both about removing the Russian monopoly of gas into Europe. Putin would launch WWWIII before losing control of his energy monopoly. Once the U.S. Fails financially Europe will align itself with Russia and China to stay warm on those cold winter nights.
If Europe aligns with Asia, the U.S. Will be by herself, weak, and will crash harder then the U.S.S.R. That's why we are seeing a quickening of the action.
Rather than this being about oil is it not that oil is simply a contingent factor? I mean it is not insignificant, just that there are simply contingent factors which have led to oil being in these countries which are in the path of Asian encirclement. In other words, military plans for Central Asian control have been around for decades and the remaining countries simply contain oil, but that may not be the determining factor.
Syria is one of the remaining countries in the Russian alliance, a hard red line. Libya was unfortunately a soft red line.
That they have gone ahead after encircling Russia with nukes and defenses, and after Russia has warned of nuclear consequences, (not to mention numerous other countries falling and countless false flags) suggests to me that this is extension of plans for the final war. Economic struggle exists as an alternative to war, war does not exist only for economic motives; I think many people have this backwards. They want a world government and that will not come from economic struggles, the economy is dying and seemingly they are willing to dump it for these world struggles.
Further, science demands this extension. The idea in the scientific community is that we are not a full civilisation until we have a world government. And the problem with oil is that it will be more difficult to attain in the future, and alternative energy sources for war machines are a big randomisation factor, nothing more than a gamble. Militarily speaking, this means that war is better now than down the road when oil will be uncertain.
If this is their plan, then oil is mostly a supply lines factor rather than the end goal.
Really, does anybody believe a threat from The Great Back Pedalers? Remember all those "lines" that must not be crossed?
They were crossed, again and again. The dictators yawn and fall back asleep whenever MAObama and Scarry Kerry threaten anything: those occasional drone missiles will simply be shrugged off, as they have been in the past.
It is important to remember that American politicians are simply empty chairs, they are a facade for the fiction at home. They give their warnings to countries in other ways, ISUS, factories blowing up accidentally, etc. Russia understands these warnings quite well and realises how dangerous the US is.
The old 'bumbling idiots in charge' is a deceptive tactic, a way to confuse people with a sort of unentertainment so they focus on the wrong things. This line of thinking keeps you engaged in their politics, 'If only we had a man like Trump in charge!'.
more on who started what and why:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/09/04/europes-refugee-crisis-and-the-de...
Both anti-ISIS forces fighting each other? This world has gone insane.
*KERRY: RUSSIAN THREATS ARE 'UNACCEPTABLE'
*PUTIN: A TALKING HORSE...WHAT IS THIS? NARNIA?
*OBAMA: THE US WILL NOT PUT UP WITH SUCH RHETORIC ABOUT ONE OF ITS OFFICIALS
*PUTIN: OH THE MONKEY TALKS TOO?
lol...now thats good stuff.
Here we go...
http://faustasblog.com/2015/09/the-mysterious-bolivian-ship-and-its-tons...
...the demand for Turkish filing cabinets in Libya has grown expotentially lately, unfortunately they are transported on Bolivian ships and being stopped by the Greek Coast Guard.
It's a family affair ;-)
Interesting story at that link, not sure of its credibility, but WE are all aware of Erdogans dirty fuckin' game, and yet surprisingly no sanctions on Turkey!
You gotta love that 'Get out of jail free card' (NATO Membership).
Yeah, thats the way I took it too. Military grade Torun Turkish shotguns...in mass quantity.
Nothing to see there at all...lol. Hell, why they must be as common as coffee in your country eh Erdogan? The fucking guy is a snake in the grass and a menace.
No offense to snakes or Pliskin's ;-)
'The fucking guy is a snake in the grass and a menace.'
Agreed. It's almost like he's gone rogue he's seen his masters in the U.S. and Israel getting away with 'Blue murder' and thought, 'Hell yeh, I can do that too!' He can't, and if we see a genuine revolution go down in Turkey then the whole shitty house of cards will come tumbling down.
Torun X1
http://torunarms.com/en/category/pompali-av-tufekleri
Nice catch!
http://intelnews.org/about/latest-analysis/content/analysis021/
LAST MONTH, THE BOLIVIAN GOVERNMENT expelled a senior “diplomat” from the US embassy in La Paz, whom it accused of covertly supporting efforts to depose the country’s leftist president, Evo Morales. This past week, Bolivian authorities announced they had foiled operations by a major international anti-government mercenary group operating out of the city of Santa Cruz, a hotbed of anti-government activity in the country’s wealthy eastern provinces. Three of the unit’s members, a Bolivian of Croatian descent, an Irishman and a Romanian, were killed by Bolivian security forces; two others, a Hungarian and another Bolivian of Croatian descent, were captured and are now in custody.
That's 6 years ago.
USA to Russia
You better not be attacking our ISIS troops
Regime of interconnected Financial corporations to Russia. You better not be attacking our ISIS troops. Fixed it! There is no USA because the USA does not have a government.
The fucking USA dictating and bullying others.
Whats new?
Fuck the USA
Moar and moar critics of USSA intervention are saying all this immigraton/refugee shit is one of the desired goals of the peace bomb policy. The fact that the southern USSA border is left wide open does nothing to dispel that idea.
Wlaking out of TSC the other day there was a vet taking donations for wounded veterans. I threw in a donation and told him I thought all these soldiers should be brought home right now. The dude started shouting at me that he did 2 tours in Nam. He stated very clearly he beileved USSA military served money changers and oil pipelines only and willing to kill everybody in the way. They had plenty of money to waste on MIC budgets but none for blown up soldiers.
It is worse that that. The VA's budget has grown exponentially over the past 8 to 9 years. Something like $10 billion to $90 billion or more. Where is the money going? To admnistartors who cannot speak english or love Trayvon and the money is just stolen.
I think a big part of it is getting fighting aged males indoctrinated AND out of the coumtry. You know I didn't want to offend the guy so I was reluctant to say anything. This guy was pissed off and turned some heads in Tractor Supply's paking lot. It's not just malcontent ZH commenters that see this blatant racket. The whole world is one big swindle and many are aware of it.
Lavrov responded with, "Someone put that old horse out to pasture."
John Kohn= Mr. Potato Head
That's a bit mean, Mr. Potato Head had character.
My Apologies, Mr. Potato head. :-D
Russia is Allied with Syria. What the fuck are we doing in there? Let Russia kill ISIS/ISIL. Oh wait, ISIS/ISIL is a Langley product. It's time to shed light on the "DarkSide" of US foreign policy.
There is only ONE side of US foreign policy and its all DARK
And, it's all Criminal.
"ISIS/ISIL is a Langley product" don't ever forget the other half of that ownership, Israel.
That all depends on what your definition of is is is.
President of the USA, Bibi Netanyahu told Kerry what to say.
One thing we do know is that immigration, worldwide, will accelerate to the West. It is already out of control. Another money pit for taxpayers, increased security and the potential loss of more freedoms as undesirables will mix with floods of people and need watched. We need to get out of the protacted war business as only a few benefit at the loss of many. We want gun control but flood the world with guns????
Cloward-Piven
Year of the Flood
Which you think it is? (Neither has a good ending, BTW)
Adam
A gentleman and a scholar who has traveled and understands why "horse face" and his management can't do shit on this very subject moving forward or risk killing themselves and everyone else in the process.
Happy Labor Day weekend folks!
"Labor" Day
All my Progressive Government employee buds are enjoying a long weekend they believe is a well deserved reward after all the hard efforts they expended to get us to this point of glory and wonder in man's development. And just wait for the Geo-engineering to become full scale public.
Hey, I got an idea! Watch this! Hold my beer! What could go wrong?
You have to hand it to Mr Potatoe Head Kerry, and the Americans. The mass media is now going to blame this entire refugee malarkey on Russia, the very crisis created by the US and it's allies in the first place. You couldn't make it up.
Everybody needs a straw-man.
Now going to? Oh no, already is!
Look at the MSM. Who are the problems?
China; islands, navy flotilla in US waters, crashing stocks creating problems (As opposed to being the canary in the coal mine)
Russia. Crimea, Ukraine, Syria, etc.
Already well under Perceptions Management Manipulation Way, my friend.
Don't worry, they already got his covered.
@ Katanga,
"You can't make this stuff up."
Of course you can. And, that is exactly what they do 24hrs a day 7 days a week, store does not close with Scripted PsyOp, False Narratives & Propaganda.
So what happened here? Did they send an ISUS contingent to attack one of the refugee camps? Have NGOs close dow their camps in places? Or simply have other CIA members whisper that the underground railroad is open to Germany and Britain?
The timing seems too perfect, but it could be just the flow of refugees becoming too much and becoming tired of the camps. Don't know, would like to see what others think.
Kerry to Russia
Look here, Lavrov. Assad is secular, has blond British wife and kids, and protects Christians from our ISIS and Al-Nusra troops
He has to go. we can't have that.
The American People have completely lost control of their government.
Their govt? Is not their govt It belongs to Israel.
STOP! STOP! Please stop using the word "Government." Take back your vocabulary. It's a Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. posing as a functioning "Government" of the people, for the people & by the people.
It's run by. Criminal Fraud CEO aka "President" & Criminal Fraud Board of Trustees aka CONgress via The Banking Emergency Act of 1933 & the Bankruptcy of 1933.
Based on what I see around me, American people stand by their government and believe everything they are served to an infuriating degree. The American people with exempting a very tiny proportion deserve everything that's coming to them and then some.
It's not that they stand behind their government, but rather they are all to full of Bread and Circus to care.
When the music stops there is going to be a blood bath.
Russia out to start another world war.
Russia never starts WW's. its usually the UK and USA
...it's always the fuckin' banksters.
same thing
"Wars are the Jews harvest, for with them we wipe out the Christians and get control of their gold. We have already killed 100 million of them, and the end is not yet." (Chief Rabbi in France, in 1859, Rabbi Reichorn.)
Russia was a partner in starting WWII with Germany when they both invaded Poland. Russia was planning to invade Germany after that but was beaten to the punch. Never say never unless you know what you are talking about.
That said, Russia has been trying to avoid a WWIII. I think they have been too passive because of this.
It was not Russia. It was the Soviet Union, led by a Georgian at that time.
So in fact you are the one who does not know what he is talking about.
WWI, started by Russia. WWII started by Germany and Russia(Russia took over Poland with Germany), Korean war started by Russia(Russia approved attack on SK and funded the war along with China.) Communist out for world domination.
Every time we get this crap it is some one week member.
Do you get payed by the line or by the post?
More total bullshit. Suggest you research King Edward the7th.s actions pre -WW1
Bag over head means one thing . You are fucking ugly son of a bitch.
Your cunt wife needs bag over head before anyone will fuck her.
Sure, but what country has 800 bases world wide and bullies and threatens anyone who doesn't kiss their ass?
Hint its not Russia.
The spark that started WW-II was Poles ethnically cleansing Germans in the border regions. Meanwhile the Brits played the Poles for suckers, telling them they had their back and not to negotiate with Hitler, who made numerous peace offerings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmYIo7bcUw
stupid
and you are on fucking acid.
Germany has been invading Poland for a fucking thousand years.
The reason Poland is a Catholic nation was because of German invasions under the pretence of spreading the faith.
Poland did not exist as a nation for over 200 years because Prussia (Germany), Russia and Austriap-Hungary partitioned it between each other.
Hell, read some of Nietzsche's writings.
One of the things that Germany wanted before WWII was a travel corridor through Poland to the city of Gdansk (Danzig in German)... Exactly what country would agree to that????
WWII and the Korean War was the U.S.S.R. no?
Lots of people throw the word 'Commies' and 'Communists' around without actually knowing what they mean, I believe the clue with the U.S.S.R was in the title Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics, and as for China they're only Communist in name, the CCP should really stand for Chinese Capitalist Party. You can't take an idea, change it, and say it's still the same idea, that applies to such idiotic titles for many things/countries/corporations, just look at the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea - WTF? In the U.S. you have the 'Republican Party' in the U.K they have the 'Labour Party' neither of which adheres to the principal behind its name.
...and as for your, surely fear-porn, kool-aid drinking induced statement that Communists are out for world domination....
Pah! I'm not even gonna' waste my time on that one.
Good revision of history. Nuland has a cookie for you
per-dask
enlighten me about what you know concerning derivatives.
new shills on the site, same as the old ones, welcom zombies, now take a cookie
Standby for Mr. NewsOutlet's barrage of copy and paste.
We will see. Perhaps his bosses have squared him up on cutting and pasting all the links at one time.
doubled
Nah, that piss-ant country can't afford to pay its trolls weekend rates.
he's harvesting potatoes at the moment. check later
The collapse of socialism in the fukupofA and the west in general , Putin knows what it is. He sticks the knife at the right time, a old hillbilly like me can appreciate how vlad plays his cards. Some talking head with black framed glasses will of course tell me otherwise .
Or vice versa ofcourse.
"Athens Denies US Request to Close Airspace for Russian Aid to Syria
"Moscow requested and received Athens' permission to conduct flights to transport humanitarian aid to Syria in the period from September 1 to September 24, according to a diplomatic source."
Sputnik News
Hopefully the term "humanitarian aid" is a euphemism for weapons of mass ISIS destruction. I can see no other reason why the USSA would object.
If it doesn't have "Russia" + "surrenders" they will object.
Thanks for the link Spirit, can you find anything about Bulgarian air space?
When you're looking at 14 years of the worst lie possible that sarifices their own to start wars and occupation(s) of choice, and coupled with the fact that Syria is that special one off circumstance where the U.S. war machine has killed more than 260,000 and expelled 6 million now in other parts of a destroyed ME landscape + 40,000 of which are Russians with dual citizens that had business with the Syrian government for more than 45 years.
One thing is for certain. Saudi Arabia and Israel aren't going to fight it!... And the CIA/Mossad and Saudi intell ain't going to get it done with their "proxies"!...
I'll put my odds on the Russians any day of the week moving forward!...
Well, if wars has to start, let's hope that Putin lobs a few hundred megatons into tel aviv.
I don't care who does it, as long as its done.
"You under estimate the Joos .... and that .... is their best weapon, historically .... time and time again !" .... Yoga Bear
Sure, dipshit, the IDF are cowards who run like hell when up against REAL men. Jews only attack women and children.
If Israel is so powerful than they shouldn't need anyone elses help. Send the IDF into Syria and Iran . LOL
Which will solve what exactly? You will still have the bankers, who really call the shots, all over Europe and NYC. They would just start over, again. How many Rothschilds and kin live in Tel Aviv? Few or none? Your idea is an utter waste.
They won't have a rats den to flee to with immunity. Kill the nest and eventually the rats will be flushed out, roasted and buried.
Totalitarian states think offensively .... that huge Norco ammo dump .... close to China .... was war prep for an invasion of the South .... when the CIA torched it .... their invasion plans were set back .... it might have been payback for making Jimmy Carte and Madeline Albright .... look soooooo stooooopid ?
I have no love for totalitarianism at all but your statement is not true in the least. There have been plenty of dictators who never made plans to invade or conquer other countries. My assumption is that by "Norco" you mean North Korea. The Koreas are halves of one country where a civil war never ended. It is not a good example for either premise. For my example I will cite Franco's Spain.
Is that some sort of veiled threat or just naked aggression of behalf of the US? If I were Lavrov I would just unequivocally state to Kerry, mess with us in Syria, and we park our tanks in Paris within ten days. You don't like it go to war. Enough with US bullshit already.
On the upside we have an admission that the US is responsible for the mess in Syria.
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Wake up folks. You're getting all hung up on the details and missing what is really going on.
The criminals who call themselves the "leaders" of both the USA and Russia actually have the same global financial elite masters. The masters know the current financial system is about to implode spectacularly and they need a proportional distraction, like a world war. The "leaders" will probably make it so at precisely the moment of greatest need for the distraction. As a bonus, they will be able to eliminate a large majority of the people that, having been completely fleeced, will be only a problematic liability. The countries with the most government liabilities and the most problematic populations will lose the most people (sound familiar amerikans).
All of this is simply the foreplay as the monsters who call themselves central government all over the world, and their owners, prepare to exterminate people on a massive scale and divide up the spoils. They plan to collapse everything, including the current central governments which are nearing the recognition of their bankruptcies anyway, and rebuild a new world order according to their own desires.
Extensive top secret plans have been made for continuation of government by the criminals who would benefit most from it. First, they want to eliminate a large majority of the population which will have been milked for everything that can be stolen from them. Then to save themselves, they will try to ban cash (control and monitor all transactions), create a new currency (still counterfeit/fiat), default on the debt owed to the people (but not their owners), and then impose martial law to ram it down our throats (wiping out your cashless accounts if you misbehave). All the while, they will be claiming that all the pain is because of the loss of central government and that we need a stronger new one to do a better job (on us).
Indeed, the inevitable self-destruction of central governments will be extremely difficult, because of what central governments have done to destroy the intrinsic value of what people use as a medium of exchange, money. If commodity backed non-government money doesn't re-emerge quickly (very unlikely), economic exchanges will be severely hindered after the self-destruction by the initial return to barter for the most part. Supply chains will collapse, and then a large majority of the populations of people whose survival depend entirely on the supply chains will perish in a few months.
When, not if, the central governments self-destruct, we need as many people as possible to remember these few simple facts:
All of the societal pain will be because of what central governments did to consume the resources of society and destroy its money, while enslaving the majority to dependence upon it's stolen and counterfeit money. The pain will NOT be because of the absence of central governments. The return of the state will only assure that future generations will experience this pain again.
...Life, Liberty and the Persuit of Happiness. To secure "these rights", governments are instituted AMONG men, not over them. No form of "government" beyond, possibly, the most local level is needed to secure "these rights". Anything more, will only serve to violate "these rights". Central government is unnecessary and only serves to violate these most basic rights.
For those of us who survive the pending calamity, and all future generations, we must do everything in our power to prevent the return of central governments after they soon self-destruct. No other lesson for the future of mankind is more important.
To learn more about the many advantages of a stateless society, start with Murray Rothbard's "For A New Liberty", available free at
http://pure-liberty.org/Visions.html
while you are quite correct in the globalist plans, Russia today is what Germany was in the late 30's. The UK/USA NWO supported Germany and Hilter's rise to power but then he went off script and took the NWO stealth eugenics program to the fast track. WWII was a fight between the socialists and nationalist fascists. the socialists won and have since slowly implemented their plans for a NWO. now we see the socialist NWO (UK, USA) continuing their fight against nationalism in Russia as Putin is going off script.
Wake up folks. You're getting all hung up on the details and missing what is really going on.
The criminals who call themselves the "leaders" of both the USA and Russia actually have the same global financial elite masters. The masters know the current financial system is about to implode spectacularly and they need a proportional distraction, like a world war. from anonymike
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In Russia's May Day parades, and recently in China's celebration, leaders talked about never having another large mechanized world war. That they would do everything in their power to stop it.
Notice that BRICs money system is at the beginning of a debt cycle. They DO NOT NEED western oligarchs to join in their new debt formations. The new Silk Road and Eurasia formation will create plenty of new activity for both capital and labor.
Russia kicked out most of their Jewish Oligarchs (who attempted to take over in Yeltsin years), and great bulk of Jewry self deported after Communism fell. Lack of Jewry is a proxy for lack of Western Illuminist Oligarchial Control.
So, this notion that the banker illuminist cabal is in control over former communist lands of China and Russia is false. Actions on the ground do not support this narrative.
Leaders do get together and talk at Davos. However, Nato moving East to Russia's border and West's attempt during Yeltsin years to convert Russia to extraction economy, and to then dismember her, has convinced Russia's leaders to separate.
BRICS system is thus a direct threat to Western Banker Oligarchs and is not their child. It started out as a Western Child, but was seized by China and Russia. Recent attempts by Russia to shore up resources in the Artic are futher attempts to consolidate Russian Borders. Strategic moves in Crimea and Syria can only be seen as 'against' the desires of World Government Oligarchy emanating from illuminist banking class of the West.
Putin also is serious about re-capitulating Orthodox Church as a full member of russia's ruling class. Early on in Syrian gambit, Putin sent the head of Orthodox Church to Syria, to then re-assure Syrian Christians that Russia would not stand for their displacement.
So, this conflict is much more than just oil pipelines and money, it also is civilizational, and two conflicting civilizations now stand opposed to each other. The former godless Russia, parasitized by Jewish Bolsheveism, is no more - and is now Slavic and Orthodox. The West, formerly Catholic is now Godless and Parastized by Jewish Finance Capitalism.
Russia and Orthodox are in alignment: they do not go for homosexual marriage, they are for family formation, and are for borders, language, culture, and sovereignty. The West is now against the traditional Christian view of civilization; the West is post Christian and largely Jewish and/or athiest in its views; West is fully monetized and at the end of a debt cycle. West is for open borders and mass migrations.
Game over, Russia and China have already won, especially if they continue to form Eurasia and avoid a hot war. Civilizational Roles have reversed, and ideals/behaviours of former Christian West are now resident in Russia, and increasingly in China.