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France Prepares To Bomb Syria In Retaliation For Refugee Crisis
Filed under 'what the f##k?', French President Francois Hollande is preparing for air strikes in Syria in a somewhat mind-numbing approach to to stem a flood of refugees from the Middle East into Europe. Using the always-ready excuse of "grappling with the threat of terrorism," Bloomberg reports Hollande's response to Europe’s biggest refugee crisis since World War II by increasing the bombing of the very place from which the refugees are fleeing...
As Bloomberg reports, France is preparing for air strikes in Syria as President Francois Hollande seeks ways both to stem a flood of refugees from the Middle East into Europe and grapple with the threat of terrorism.
Hollande is seeking a response to Europe’s biggest refugee crisis since World War II in tune with public opinion that remains largely hostile to a massive increase in immigration.
“I’ve asked the minister of defense to begin reconnaissance flights over Syria from tomorrow that would allow for strikes against the Islamic State,” Hollande said at a press conference in Paris on Monday. Hollande, who ruled out sending troops, said Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad is an impediment to peace in the country.
France has warplanes in Abu Dhabi and at a Jordanian air force base.
“These will be reconnaissance and intelligence flights,” Hollande said. “We want to know where the training and command sites are.”
German Chancellor Angela Merkel announced 6 billion euros ($6.7 billion) to help the thousands of migrants pouring into the country. Hollande said today that France will accept 24,000 refugees over two years. He estimates that there are 60,000 asylum seekers in France in 2015.
Hollande also called for “massive” aid to support camps in countries neighboring Syria so that refugees can stay as close as possible to home.
“Let’s face reality,” he said. There are four million refugees in camps in countries such as Jordan and Turkey and “if we want to avoid an exodus, what we have to do is supply massive aid” so that “these people can stay as close as possible to the country from which they are fleeing.”
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Maybe it's our cynicism shining through once again but does this not have the smell of the "Syrian Chemical warfare YouTube clips" debacle... Flood Europe with Syrian refugees, drowned children as collateral damage, gain empathy points with the media blaming it all on Assad once again... and enabling more airstrikes, military equipment, and devastation to be unleashed.
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They're going to drop the cheese on which side?
Oh, hush up. The French know everything.
Just ask them! :)
Wat a fuckin idiot. I dont know what else to say past that.
What dumbass you think a Raphael will stay airborn against an SU-35 that can fly like a UFO? LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBKvlLzGkvU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-VNSJMiNt0
Mebee sic a few Joint Strike fighters on it. LOL stick a fork in it, it sucks. You tried to build a combo jump jet with no wings so its does nothing well.
Hey Hollande Sauce, there is a reason its the hottest selling fighter on the market right now. Best stay home and lick yur nuts. Even the f-16-F22s will have a hand full. Never mind if a few of the new PAK-FA prototypes start showing up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKj-gX7Q2X8
http://sputniknews.com/business/20150813/1025711276.html
I think most ppl here thing that such things don't matter as much as they used to. What good is a jet that can do slow speed manuevers? None of that airshow stuff would apply in real combat.
Radar, networks, missiles, satcoms, and EMP tech would play a more important role than the weapons delivery platform itself. All that and human ability, training, and decision making. Let's hope we don't have to find out.
Yeah, I know. We're gonna have to.
They need another French Revolution across all of western Europe and the US
"They need another French Revolution across all of western Europe and the US "
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
YOU CAN SHOVE THOSE JACOBIN BASTARDS STRAIGHT UP YOUR ASS.
Absolutely! Off with thier heads!
revolutions usually lead to more oppressive governments than the ones they overthrow. Many examples.
Careful there Sun Tzu ... the "French Revolution" was more akin to a 20 year riot than anything else.
Regards,
Cooter
Excellent point.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/595439/SAS-ISIS-fighter-Jihadis
wink wink
We have always been at war with East ISUS.
The message is pretty obvious, 'Our special forces are now dressed as ISUS, bomb them and it may be our men you are killing.'
Truly mind raping.
Everything is setting up for a muslim vs. europeans civil war. Sucks to be the muslims fleeing Syria... they will get fucked in 5 years. They will be on the receiving end when the economy collapses.
Why the downvotes? It's the perfect escape hatch for public anger... while giving the elites a pass. Not saying it is the right thing... it's just how it works imo. You can taste it in air here in Europe. I give it 5 - 10 years tops.
re Everything is setting up for a muslim vs. europeans civil war.
THAT - to paraphrase Nutt&Yahoo after 9/11 - would be "a great day for Israel!!!"
LOL. Just what we need, moar crazy fuckers like Hollande talking nonsense...
Hollande : " so that “these people can stay as close as possible to the country from which they are fleeing."
I guess that was "Politically Correct" Speech for ....
" so that “these people can stay as close as possible to the country from which they are being bombed in ."
They could build a Statue Of Liberty for Turkey
I guess "all the good ones" are already out of the way. Might as well just kill anyone that's left.
Seems to me bombing France would be more of a deterent to refugees coming to France than bombing their homes in Syria.
Refugees... are fleeing Syria into Europe.... because Europe and others are bombing the shit out of Syria in retaliation for the refugees that are fleeing from the bombing, what a vicious cycle.
^^. . . just saying.
A bit late now Froggie, you should have told the US to stick their foreign policy where the sun don't shine a long time ago.
If you really want to stop the "refugees" why not wait until they're afloat in the Med and then just straffe them, that'll earn you some US brownie points.
How long will it be before you realise that all the shit going on in Europe and the ME is because of your subservience to US foreign policy.
Wanker.
Is it possible that France is driving US Foreign Policy? That would make more sense. France wants Assad out.
No it is not, and it never will.
Vietnam says different. We were called in to reverse French failure.
France is part of the anglosphere. Vietnam wasn't and never would have been anyway. The 'Roman Empire' will be preserved.
Do you really believe that? On what possible basis did you come to that conclusion? You better have a read about US operations in Laos in the mid to late 1950s, They didn't do a thing to help re-establish and sustain French colonialism, they let the NVA overrun them. They didn't help the Dutch in Indonesia either.
My read of history. Dien Bien Phu (sp?).
The French had the opium connection. We were to retrieve it.You do remember "The French Connection" ?
Also look up "Tojo opium Manchuria".
I believe Syria at one time was a colony of France. Assad changed sides. France needs help to reverse the situation.
Incorrect, Syria was a colony of the Turkish empire (and it was British and Australian armies who cleared out the Turks).
The US clearly wanted European colonists out of SEA (and India and Burma), because it intended to set up a US commanded bulwark against Chinese communist infiltration and ideology in SEA, and they pursued that ruthlessly through out all of SEA. They apparently saw the Europeans as a counterproductive presence to that end, as the US wanted to muster the support of SEA, to organize against the CHICOMs, and could not do it while European colonizers were still economically exploiting SEA.
The French would have in fact simply served as an imperialist core, a target that communists would focus on and militated about (as they did), so the French and Dutch had to go. Even Australia accelerated its withdrawal from former German Papua, ASAP.
@MSimon
"Vietnam says different. We were called in to reverse French failure."
No. The Americans didn't save the French in Vietnam. The Americans just thought they could move in and take this part of the French colonial empire that the French could no longer maintain to add to the American colonies in southeast Asia.
The Vietnamese, to their everlasting credit, taught the Americans the same lesson they gave the French.
Any problems the French army may have had were not due to cowardice of the French soldier.
The French lost Dien Bien Phu because they were screwed by NATO (ie. the US).
In 1954 they had to specialize in jets while others in Europe had to specialize in bombers.
And when it came to fight Communism (the Viet Cong, massively helped by Soviet Union and China's troops) ... guess what... the US refused the NATO to get involved.
They had to fight the war without bombers, as in 1954 they had very few of these kind of planes.
Another nice lesson from a long list for French morons who believe America is a reliable ally, and even a friend of France. For those who should have any doubt, the reading of French-bashing in ZH is instructive enough …
Besides that, in 1954, when the French were finally defeated in Dien Bien Phu, they had 50,000 troops in all Vietnam, and their biggest planes were Douglas A26 and C47’s, and Vought Corsairs.
When the US was defeated by the same enemy some twenty years later, they had 550,000 troops, B52’s, napalm, missiles, big helicopters, the works …
The US kicked NVA ass notwithstanding dumb ROE. The NV were terrified that Nixon would resume bombing. The anti-war movement was our gift to SE Asian communism. Congress sold out the SVN.
Read Frank Snepp's Decent Interval.
Hollande is a Jew
Sarkozy is a Jew
Both taking orders from head Jews
both want to bomb
simple
Shouldn't this had read......." USA prepares to bomb Syria in retaliation for refugee crisis" ??
I don't see how this sounds logical to anyone. It's not even propaganda at this point, but flat out lying. This is when it gets scary because it appears what people think does not matter anymore.
What you and I think doesn't matter. As long as the Police and the Military continue to take orders from these psychopaths then that's all that matters.
He is a fool!
Europe has opened the floodgates after the USA wars to nowhere have busted the Damm.
Kadaffi warned Europe of this very event and said he was what was stopping them from flooding into the continent.
Now it will not just be the desparite, but the oportunists in the tens if not hundreds of millions including extended family. lots of Jihadis too!
Europe is so screwed.
I don't know. Opening the doors of your home to people whom you have destroyed their homes and murdered their brothers, sisters and friends and droned their wedding parties may, paradoxically, have a happy ending ....
... but then again, maybe not.
I think you can only get happy endings in message parlors.
If Sweden is any indication, there will be no happy ending for Europe.
I don't think he's a fool because I suspect that was in the plan all along.
I'm sure it was just one of many "good reasons" the psychos came up with.
France will do as it is fucking told to do and if her leadership can't thnik up viable excuses that's their problem.
Maybe France should bomb itself for creating the refugee crisis in Libya. And France helped create ISIS. So it shares blame for refugees from Syria:
For three years, the US, along with the Gulf states and Turkey, poured billions into “opposition” groups, supposedly to unnamed “moderates,” but in reality to Al Qaeda-linked Sunni groups such as al-Nusra and ISIS to spearhead a sectarian war. The US, Turkey and Jordan have operated a base in Jordan where US instructors trained dozens of ISIS members. In an article last year, the New York Times confirmed that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey by airlifting weaponry to these groups in Jordan and Turkey. The Guardian reported last March that British and French instructors were also involved.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/isis-j30.html
The NSA must have some great info on Hollande for he is always kissing Obama's ass
Gaddafi bankrolled the traitor Sarkozy who bombed Libya into ruin:
In the recorded interview, which France 3 TV said it would broadcast on Wednesday, Gaddafi insults Sarkozy and says the decision to fund a French presidential election was part of his political strategy.
Asked whether he feels betrayed by France’s president, Gaddafi reportedly answers: “Sarkozy is mentally deficient… It’s thanks to me that he became president… We gave him the funds that allowed him to win.”
http://www.france24.com/en/20140128-france-sarkozy-gaddafi-campaign-fund...
Stay home while we bomb you motherfuckers.
If they really wanted to stem the endless tide of the barbarian horde they would bomb Calais.
"My greatest flaw. I surround myself with idiots."
- Victor von Doom
War with Russia. Too much supply. Not enough demand. Bomb supplies. It worked in WW2.
p.s. how is this not genocide?
It is historical. Vichy.
I think genocide implies targeting people for who they are, if they are being killed for no reason it's just plain old mass murder, often for profit when it happen on these scales
You mean just like bombing of Dresden in WWII?
I dont know the motives behind that attack, seems likely.
Like if he bombs the population until they are dead, they can't come to France?
No silly genocide is what we are doing in Yemen.
stupid little cunt.
Hollande is an idiot in so many ways. To use French troops for anything war like, is highly dangerous and most likely will end with them having to be rescued.
The only people the French can beat in war is/are the Italians.
But only because their tanks have more reverse gears!
Rumor is in the White House its dangerous to bend over to pick up dropped pencils or backup for fear of being goosed by blunt objects.
@holgerdanske
According to the British historian Niall Ferguson, since 387 BC, France has fought 168 major wars against such badasses as the Roman Empire, the British Army and the Turkish forces. Their track record isn't too shabby, either: They've won 109, lost 49 and drawn 10 times.
This makes France the most successful military power in European history - in terms of number of fought and won …
The French have succeeded to conquer and guard the largest country in Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France
The French fought well in WWI.
@Ace006
"The French fought well in WWI"
It is right but you probably don't know at what cost :
World War I cost France 1,697,800 dead and 4,266,000 wounded (of whom 1.5 million were permanently maimed) and 537,000 made prisoner or missing - exactly 73% of the 8,410,000 men mobilized (for a total population of 40 million).
This means that 60% of men between the ages of 18 and 28 died or were permanently maimed.
You can have an idea of what these figures woud represent for the present population of the US:
13,412,000 dead and 33,701,400 wounded (of whom 11,850,000 permanently maimed) and 4,242,000 made prisoner or missing. Can you imagine US reaction to casualties on that scale?
And the French DID NOT SURRENDER (The stupid Jay Leno's style jokes are really not funny) …
In fact, these jokes reflect the hate of american warmongers against France. It remains still there, well alive, even in ZH.
They have not forgiven the offence of the firm refusal of the French to join America in Irak, in 2003, and their stale hate still show through "innocent good jokes" about the “surrender monkeys”.
And don't imagine the French surrendered so easily in WW2 (as it is often said by some haters) :
Contrary to what has often been said, and is also a result of the Nazi propaganda of that time, and the neo-cons hatred in 2003, the German advance (Blitzkrieg) encountered serious resistance from the French troops. In the six week Battle of France, from May 10 to June 22, 1940, the French lost, in military personnel alone, 260,000 wounded and 108,000 killed. A total of 368,000 casualties in six weeks is not something to pass off lightly.
This is 5 times more than the losses of the American army in three months of battles in Normandy in 1944 (21000), and nearly the same amount than the US deaths in 7 months of WW1 (116700)!
It is the air superiority (over 1,000 Stuka bombers knocked out the troops defending Sedan) and the intelligent use of the German panzers that broke the defences and made ineluctable the defeat.
In 1939 and 1940 France was let alone (apart from only 8 British divisions, which succeeded to quickly re-embark at Dunkirk thanks to the sacrifice of the soldiers of the 1st French Army of the North).
France was let alone facing a nazi-fanaticized country with a population of 80 million (vs. 40 million in France), a particularly well prepared war-industry, and an air superiority of 5 vs. 1.
At the same time the “US ally” refused to sell planes on credit to France!
Makes him a likely candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize, no?
I will play the contrarian. It is easy for the ZH crowd to do the typical reactions we see in most of the preceding comments. I am not completely unsympathetic. Here is part of a post I made on an earlier article about the refugee crisis where ZH posted the photo of the dead 3 yr old on the beach:
I am going to be radical right-wing (as in libertarian-anarchist right). This irritates me, to a degree. I understand that historically people flee rather than resist. That is actually how the Piligrims came to N. America. I also understand that people endure a hell of a lot before they take action, like Venezuela on the verge of actual starvation. I understand it is a bit safer for a Mexican to sneak across the U.S. border than resist the local drug lord. And if he/she promises to vote Democrat forever, they can get lots of Congressional support and free stuff.
What I also understand is if these people and their beta-male husbands keep running away their countries will stay shit-holes, even get worse. Their countries suck! Yes, Mexico sucks. Somalia sucks. Virtually all non-oil-rich Muslims countries suck. And it goes on to many other countries. I will add that their cultures suck, too. It is their cultures and lack of any higher honor code that keeps them trading off dictators and unable to form any society that can prosper or offer any decencies like civil liberties. They will bring those cultures with them because that is all they know how to do. You can count on them creating the exact same shit-holes in Europe that they fled in their own suck-ass country. Don't believe me? Walk into their neighborhoods where they are 90% the same ethnicity. They all suck and they are dangerous.
My suggestion that blends sympathy with reality is to tell them they can stay their in some sort of Fema camps. We are going to arm the men and butch women and train them how to fight. It will be a six month crash course. They can be joined by any volunteers from the host nation, especially their own ethnicity. After six months of military training we will send back whole battalions of armed trained people to their suck-ass homeland to fight and make something better. Six months after that, their women, kids, elderly and pets will show up on the shore/border. You win or die trying because your family is coming back.
We will equip them with local host Constitutions, law books and government wiring diagrams. We will give them holy books from alternate religions including atheism. We will throw in some philosophy books on liberty. We will offer advisors (except from the central banks) if they successfully overthrow their own dictators. Apart from that, it is THEIR job to make their own damned homes something livable.
I am up for spending the money on small arms and training. It's time for the better parts of the world to expand and the shitty parts of the world to contract. It will not happen by overloading America and Western Europe...where all those racist, caucasian, Christian-history bigots originated, right?
I confess it was a blend of emotion and rationality, but let me try to blend in Hollande's comments with this same idea.
The natural rational and practical consequence is to turn these countries BACK into colonies or some sort of managed territory. It is the natural sequence of events.
You want them to stay in their home countries? That is not going to happen unless you treat them worse than ISIS or Libyan gangs or Somali warlords. They have the knife and AK at their backs. That is why they flee and risk the possible death of fleeing to the probable death (and subjugation) of staying home. If they make it to Europe, they know the very nice Christians and secularists will not kill them, at least.
If you want them not to overwhelm the host countries, not overload the state welfare systems and not crash the host economic systems and not skew the labor markets ever lower you have to keep them where they are. The only way you will do that is to eliminate the threat that makes them run. The only way to do that is war, violence, and invasion. You are not going to reason with ISIS. So, if you destroy that threat you will have to reestablish Western rule. It essentially turns their homeland into a giant camp where they can stay. You have to accept the guerilla war will be a reality. But would you rather have it there or in your homeland?
However, you come down on this there are ugly choices ahead. It is cheap and easy just to shake your head and pretend you can ignore those choices. The problems are floating, walking and riding to your (Western Europe and America's) shores. There is a real possibility of huge cultural changes, a growing hostile and incompatible subculture and the economic overwhelming of the host countries. In terms of analogy think of it as being in a lifeboat yourselves and twenty more people want to get on and then all of you will be drowning. What do you do as a rational person and even a kind hearted person? The choices suck.
Propose realistic better alternate solutions. Saying we never should have been involved is not a solution going forward. It is a lamenting of the past.
That is a fine idea, but I have to ask HAVE YOU BEEN LIVING IN A CAVE? Putin has a solution along these very lines. An international coalition against ISIS which should reduce them to nothing in weeks. But US has a different idea which France is following which is to destabilize Syria until evantualy have some nice pro-US muslim guy take over Syria. As long as US wants to topple Asad, there is no peace in Syria and bombing can only have opposite effects. And if Asad gets toppled, expect another Sisi to come to power and have another Iraq episode where Sunnis are fighting Shia.
No, I am not in a cave and your comment does not necessarily disagree with mine. Putin can do the same thing. If the refugees stop much of Europe will thank him. Simply bombing does not solve anything which underlies my point.
Read carefully.
I think they've decided to ratchet it up to the point where its gonna be a NATO-Russian war, best man wins.
And, who's they you ask? Well the psychopaths in D.C. of course.
I thought Ukraine was the kick off point to WW3 but it appears Syria will be the sandbox the great powers go to war over.
The perverted homosexual pedophiles running D.C. won't be able to stand Putin stepping up presence in Syria and will need a pretext to start all out war with Russia.
Do you think they're actually gonna stand by and let Russia build up military personnel in Syria without doing something stupid?
It depends on what you think of the intelligence of Obama, Lurch and company. Personally, I think they are morons and the only thing to our advantage is that they are unpredictable.
I should explain that the way the Obama crews unpredictability works in our favor is that Putin and other world leaders cannot anticipate a rational or intelligent reaction. They might assume we are passive in some ways, but the POTUS is poll driven and might do something aggressive and unpredictable if it tested well in a focue group. He is simply hard to figure in rational way.
During the great Cold War I think both sides always counted on rational plays by each side. It was therefore a chess match of sorts.
Sisi, no. Lunatic, yes.
Here is an interesting post I copied. I did not go to the primary source. It backs up my assertion about culture.
The writer is Polish and seems to be gay and probably liberal.
This is the account by Kamil Bulonis:
One and a half hours ago, on the border of Italy and Austria, I saw with my own eyes massive incidents involving immigrants… in all my solidarity with people finding themselves in a difficult life situation I must say, that what I saw breeds fear…
This great mass of people — sorry that I write this, but it’s an absolute horde. Vulgar words, thrown bottles, loud cries of “We want Germany” — is Germany at present some kind of paradise? I saw how they surrounded the car of an older Italian lady, pulled her out by her hair and wanted to drive off in that car. The coach I was on in a group, they attempted to overturn. Excrement was thrown at us, they banged on the doors, so that the driver would open them, they spat at the window… I ask, for what purpose? How can this wild horde assimilate in Germany? For a moment, I thought I was in a war…
I really feel sorry for these people, but if they were to reach us [Poland] — I don’t think they would receive any understanding from us… For three hours we waited at the border, which ultimately we did not cross. The whole group was escorted back to Italy in a police cordon. The coach looks destroyed, covered in excrement, scratched and with broken windows. And this is the idea to solve our demographic issues? These great, giant regiments of barbarians? Among them, there were almost no women, no children — the overwhelming majority were young aggressive males…
Yesterday, reading the news on all the websites, I was still subconsciously caring, worried about their destiny, but today, after what I saw, I am simply afraid, but happy at the same time that they do not choose our nation as their destination. We Poles are simply not ready to accept these people — not culturally, and not financially. I don’t know if anyone is ready. A pathology is entering the EU, which up until now we never had a chance to see. And my apologies to anyone I may have offended anyone with this entry.
Finally, I’ll add that cars arrived containing humanitarian aid — first and foremost, with food and water, yet they simply overturned these cars… through the megaphone, the Austrians announced that they agree for them to cross the border — they wanted to register them, and allow them to go further — but they didn’t understand these announcements. They understood nothing. And in all this, that was the biggest horror… among a few thousand people, nobody understood Italian, English, German, Russian or Spanish. The power of the fist was what mattered… they fought for the right to proceed further, and they had this right — but they didn’t understand this! In the coach of the French group they opened the luggage compartment — everything that was inside, in a few moments was stolen, a few of the items were strewn across the ground… in my short life, I had never had a chance to witness such scenes, and I have a feeling that this is only the beginning. On a final note I’ll add, that it’s good to help — but not at any cost.
they want germany because in hungary they were lead to customs on a leach (thats real, it happened)
and others got numbers written on their arms..... (also real, happened)
nothing to eat, 6 toilets for ~x thousand people for 3-6 days in hungary
in croatia it is totally normal to throw stones at sinti and roma (not that this is ok, it is just normal for every one down there)
so as a sinti or refugee you know that you could not stay there. keep on moving. really. the inhabitants are all drunken from noon to noon and they are really violent minded.
they eat hacked swine in 1000g chunks.
romania will take 1000 refugees and then the boat is full down there the romanians said.
greece and italy and turkey dont want them and they are trained in handling unwanted people from across the border
i wonder about spain, but maybe it is possible to use flats from the housing bubble there
for germans the refugees have turned to some pet-like status symbol. (we care for one, oh how nice blablabla)
germany is alrady on limit of capacity, there are numerous cities where there are no more schoolgyms available because they are full of refugees
~20000 in a 3 days weekend, all to be integrated in a 100% high-tech-land. they do not come from stone-age, sure. but the bigger part might see a solid house in europe as a castle in comparison to their old little world
7,25 million in germany are on welfare. add a million foreigners and make them privilegged against these
with a surreal discussion all time about cutting the very little welfare payments while refugees get everything cared for.
refugees get new build houses while rents are exploding last years.
there is a very very big storm brewing inside germany.
I can see your point IF IsIs was a genuine home brewed entity. However, this group was organized and armed by the Western nations, mostly the USA. It makes no sense to send in troops to fight an enemy created by ... you. The fact the West are not bombing their camps and/or conveys suggests they are still supporting these IsIs assholes.
I am making a general point to the general situation. ISIS was not specifically created by us to be what they are. They were aided by us to help topple Assad. Like so very many things in the Middle East, the plan goes wrong and today's friends are the people shooting you in the back tomorrow. Ask anyone in Afghanistan.
Apart from that the general points in my longer post are, to summarize:
1. Europe (and America) cannot absorb the entire population/s of the Middle East, N. Africa and many other places without severely bad consequences, especially on a short time line. The longer time line consequences could actually be worse as in cultural self-extinction.
2. It is most likely better to keep them "there" in their homelands and make things better there. It might even be worth aggressive action and it might be worth the consequences. Colonialism probably would look like a great deal to the people fleeing.
3. The better parts of the world need to expand which requires the shitty parts of the world to contract. Virtually no one actually inside the shitty parts seems capable or willing to make themselves un-shitty. It is not a bad idea to try and get that started and started in an organized planned way. Random bombings may feel good but really will not get the job done.
4. You cannot predict the consequences of any intervention but intervention is probably necessary. You might leave your neighbor, his home and his family alone but when his entire family shows up on your door wounded and hungry you are in the intervention mode whether or not you like it. Pick the type of intervention most likely to work and to allow you the best possible odds for your own good life.
In other news, the Austro-Hungarian empire announced the Archduke will be visiting Sarajevo.
Well there is another way, but Europe's alleged 'leaders' are much too pussified for it:
European national control of its borders and its foreign policy is a pathetic joke, they are lettent the entire western world down, they look like a bunch of complete losers.
Is America doing better with it's borders?
And why do you just accept it? Make your govt do their job, or resign! How many nation wide strikes have the American people had yet to force the US Govt to stop it? Oh really? None? They won't ever respect that, or do their job, if you don't hold them and their system at risk .
Government does this garbage because it can. Specifically one party does it because it is in it's own political advantage. Americans are relatively passive so they get away with it. We always hope the next election will fix things.
So you let them do it to you - pussies.
And what revolution are you leading based on your beliefs?
There are some very good reasons Americans are passive and it has to do with the large stake one has in life with property and the future. Another is a history of settling things more peacefully through the political process.
The bad side is that we will get what we tolerate. One side, the Left does believe in the occasional use of force.
I said not one word about revolution, I said have you even gone out on national strikes to change Govt policy? i.e. short of a counterproductive revolution. I do what I do mate, and it is a lot more than most people around me.
I meant revolution as in changing direction or radical change.
I have been active the middle portion of my life. I was actually a part of a major political party and spent much energy both paying dues and trying to change minds...in my own generally sympathetic party.
Frankly, I think Americans on the right are ready to do civil disobience for the right cause and if it can be organized. The Right is generally responsible and has significant job and family issues with which to contend if they get too radical.
Americans are too stuffed with bread and circuses. Let them starve for a while and then we will see how passive the entitled, self important, fat fucks really are.
Your right,,, AmeriKans won't even boycott Airports long enough to erradicate the TSA pervs from fondling their wives and children. Speaks volumes....
Build a big walll around Israel and don't let anyone in or out. They willl soon be devouring each other if they have to clean their own toilets and swimming pools.
They couldn't possibly be as stupid as they present. So there must be an ulterior policy in play which we are not being told.
The international zio-mafia is not just looking to destroy the Middle East. You think too small. They're looking to destroy the whole world.
We can be truly thankful that Israel - on humanitarian grounds - is not only intervening to stop the bombing but also welcoming the refugees with open arms...
QUITE THE OPPOSITE!
Syria’s ambassador to the UN says Israel allows the free flow of weapons and ISIL militants into the occupied Golan Heights and then into the rest of Syria.
Bashar Ja’afari told Press TV on Friday that the ISIL Takfiri terrorists have an undeclared alliance with Israel and are engaged in a secret agreement with the regime.
The Israelis help the Takfiris infiltrate into the separation line on the Golan Heights from Jordan, where their training camps are located, the Syrian diplomat said.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-islamic-state-isis-and-israel-are-allie...
re The Islamic State (ISIS) and Israel are Allies
Hence: ISISRAEL
According to his logic and other who think like him, the problem is that the west hasn't interfered enough in the Middle East?
Or he is like Ron Burgundy and will just repeat whatever words you put in front of his face?
Who will play the anti-war machine part this time? All the usual suspects are on their knees for governments around the world.
This seems apropos:
Lets get this party started
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg-_uxD3H80
I would love to see Russia annihilate ISIS within a week and then say to Obomber ''What was that again about you fighting them for 30 years'??
How long before France surrenders this time? Patton said he would rather have two German Divisions in front of him than one French Division behind him.
@Lyman54
“France’s army did not simply surrender or run away in 1940, as ignorant American Know-Nothing conservatives claim. “
“Britain’s well-trained expeditionary force in France was beaten just as quickly and thoroughly as the French, and saved itself only by abandoning its French allies and fleeing across the Channel. “
“France lost 217,000 dead and 400,000 wounded. Compare that to America’s loss of 416,000 dead during four years of war in the Pacific and Europe.”
“Surrender jokes are the left overs of the 2003 Bush hate fest against the French. Thanks to people like Jay Leno, people like you think a historical event from the 40s makes a character trait.
I will be looking forward to a lot of dead French and allied pilots . Those vassals of the EU , obedient puppets of the tribe from Hell , badly need a kick in the ASS !
I never considered any bomber or fighter pilot a hero. Just cowardly scum
We had an F-4 jock at DaNang who had the right idea.. He was against the war and used to take his bomb load and dump it in the East China Sea. They busted him eventually and he got discharged.
He was my hero.
The goal seems to be to genocide the entire country so there is no one to prevent the qatar pipeline.
Nothing to do with pipeline. its all about hegemonic power in the region. Israel want Assad gone and Syria is their stepping stone to Iran,
That been the plan all along.
Can't it be both? Granted, your supposition is the reason, the pipeline...a perk.
"My greatest flaw. I surround myself with idiots."
- Victor von Doom
What I've noticed is that all those Syrian refugees, are actually the well off people from Syria.
They all have a shitload of cash with them.
So where are the poor? Are they getting through? I guess not....
So when you prepare and call yourself a prepper: Look at those who where able to jump the fence to Germany.
America never accepted its culpability for agent orange or the Vietnamese/Cambodian refugee crisis. American never accepted its culpability and strategic failures in Afghanistan or Iraq. America has never accepted its culpability for supporting and directly funding all the proxy armies in Syria and the creation of IS. America will never accept its culpability in the current refugee crisis. America will attempt to re-write history with glittering generalities that will reflect its narcissist view of itself. America has always swept the truth under the carpet and let the dirt settle by blaming someone else. The propaganda system known as the MSM has marched perfectly with the government narrative every time and the people are so fucking coddled and gullible they believe it. Nothing will change in America until the people go hungry and the circus of pro sports and party politics dies. Nothing short of a crisis will unseat the elite and only then people will recognize their survival imperative and political agency, lots of rope will be in demand and sharpen the guillotines. I can imagine an American future where thousands of lone wolves are awakened by the zombie apocalypse. This is when the people will remember Hank Paulson and his ilk laughing at them and it will be their last.
By then all the jews who created this will be in Israel safe and sound.... the new, the ONLY, superpower in the world. That is their plan
Goood, nice target. Shouldn't take more than about 50 megaton
Don't blame me.
I didn't vote for any of them.
Hopefully the Ruskie can hack those airplanes and have them unload their cargo in israhell.
France and Russia will fight it out. Israel will make deals with the winner.
It is unwise to allow your hate to cloud your vision. You will miss opportunities.
If France recolonizes Syria and Lebanon it would be good for Israel. But they are also quite capable of making deals with Russia/Assad. Though not as good as they could get from France.
Better yet, Russia and France drop their bomb load on Israhell and everyone is happy
Fuck the Jew ZioNazis of Israel and their ''deals''
Vapourizine them and their supporters would make the world a much better place.
Did you invest in kevlar yarmulke yet??
If France recolonizes Syria and Lebanon? LOL!
There won't be any 'recolonizing' of any of those ME countries, not by any Western powers anyway. That's over, done with. Not that those Western powers wouldn't want to try...but any leader doing so will watch helplessly as all their men and equipment get sucked into the Islamic vortex, then get chewed up and spat out. It would be open season on Westerners, with even elderly women and men taking potshots at the would-be colonizers...
These people hate us, and all we stand for, and after many many decades of oil wealth being pumped into the region, they aren't all a bunch of backwards camel-jockeys anymore. The Muslim world has wealth, knowledge, power, and yes, even nukes, much of it thanks to us, and they won't hesitate to use it against us should we provide them with a suitable excuse.
The West doesn't run the show anymore. Our former colonies don't tremble in fear of incurring our displeasure, nor will they simply allow us to steamroll them again. It will be Muslims who redraw the borders in the ME...not a bunch of Western elites. Not this time.
Of course, TPTB will do what they want anyway, even if it means a humiliating defeat. But none of mine will be going over there, and I'm sure there are plenty of other Westerners who feel the same. We'll tell our leaders to go fuck themselves, and will not be 'reporting for duty'.
Hollande should gauge the mood of his people before shooting his mouth off, lest he be made to look like a fool when they don't take the bait this time. All western leaders need to do this.
This gotta last me 2 weeks
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dqqzir7i452ys4c/2015-09-07%2020.16.35.jpg?dl=0
France Got Syria as a mandate after WW1. France and Britain refused to recognize Syria's independence, and the Supreme Allied Council, meeting in San Remo, Italy, in April 1920, partitioned the Arab world into mandates as prearranged by the earlier Sykes-Picot Agreement. Syria became a French mandate, and French soldiers began marching from Beirut to Damascus. Arab resistance was crushed, and on July 25, 1920, the French took Damascus.
Now France is going to bomb the shit out of what it created...
History is full of irony.
We're fighting them over there so we won't have to fight them here. Sounds about right ;0
So it looks like a race to see who can defeat ISIS before their cover is blown as USA funded and supported ''freedom fighters''
Hopefully Vlad gets the ball rolling before France gets there
Don't forget staffed. Just who the hell is under all those headscarves anyway? My guess is they're as Arabic as Lawrence was.
"My greatest flaw. I surround myself with idiots."
- Victor von Doom
Hollande is a socialist nutter.
Well French were always just a moron pet dogs of the US so no surprising. That said I would love to see them completely decimated and annihilated by Russians who are there now as well.
Somebody put this schizophrenic motherfucker to sleep and everyone else in Brussels and Washington making the same contributions to the problem that make this situation possible!
Lets all sing along now
''We fuck the world'' (notice the schnozzes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cACZc6gYi9s
The view of immigration for the 1%
1) Immigration doesn’t affect the wealthy area I live in.
2) Immigration doesn’t affect the sector of the housing market I look at.
3) Immigration doesn’t affect my children’s private schools.
4) Immigration doesn’t affect the jobs I go for.
5) Immigration doesn’t affect the private health service I use.
6) Immigration has greatly reduced the cost of labour.
The 1% AKA political donor class
france should build a strong a border like we have here in the usa (lmao)
A smart politician asks for a Terrorist for xmas. So many uses.
The French like the USA are totally controlled by ZioNazi Kike roaches.
Also their militarys are similar. both full of coward bastards who only fight women and chiildren or people already on their knees.
NATO,led by the Untied States didn't think through the ramifications of bombing all these countries.It's obvious that if Ukraine continues to deteriorate on an economic basis that Germany will be forced to absorb Ukrainians on a massive scale as well.The cold arctic winds from the north are coming fast,better hope it's not a severe one if you are poor.Thank Washington's neo-cons John McCaine and Victoria Nuland.Both responsible for bringing down Obama.
Time for Vlad to turn that valve off
Les Juifs sont notre malheur!
Die Juden sind unser Unglück!
Ganz genau!!!
Stimmt!!!
Richtig
it was French stupidity that started the crusades,most of the 20th century was spent trying to clean up messes France started,this is just a continuation of 1000 years of French idiocy.
The Crusades were started to save the Christians in Jerusalem. It was a noble purpose, especially if compared with the purposes of the Catholic Church today in Europe.
Well, at least we know who we can point the finger to when SHTF.
I heard that Russia accepted a million Eastern Ukrainians. But not one Syrian?
What do the Russians know that the French and Germans don't?
Maybe it's like the Real Rulers of Israel have deals with the Real rulers of "America" and the Kings of Arabia to provide ISIS with rocks... make that guns and trucks, to attack everybody else in the Middle East. (The guns and supplies must be coming from somewhere, right?)
Because that somehow keeps them in power?
Power through chaos?
Feels like the Real Rulers are getting ready to kill a few million of us again. But they will be conveniently out of town when the big hammer comes down. War is the sport of kings.
Well. It seems nearly unanimous. The Jews control nearly everything.
I'm wondeing how 7 billion people let a few million control the world.
Even the Austrian Corpoal only made them stronger. Too funny.
What some people think may not necessarily be what is really the case.
We know that the world is not controlled by Jews.
The West is controlled by gangsters who happen to control a lot of Jews. The real Western Rulers are CIA/mafia/bankers. The puppet masters are merely bigger puppets themselves. What else could be the case?
I thought it's clear by now: You break it you buy it, duh!
Okay, 'Ollande, you want to out-Sarko the Sakozoid? Here's a better plan.
Break out le force de frappe, you know, the nukes, and bomb MENA from end to end. Problem solved.
Notice how we're not really talking about the economy ?
Somebody's got to do it.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
And who made these people that way with their fucking pipeline schemes to screw Russia?
Should have let the Nazis take over that shitty country....and Europe in general. Sad that it'd have probably been better than these morons running things.
Why act so surprised, Tyler? Your hero, Donald Trump, is a couple of weeks away from advocating bombing Mexico. Come on, all these dark skinned ragheads and Spics, they're all the same aren't they? We should just kill all of them.
Who are they going to bomb? You can bet it won't be the Western creation ISIS!
Really? I didn't hear that, It was a fart from to much spoiled milk product or his lactose intolerance.
Lest we forget, it was France that was foaming at the mouth to attack and destabilise Libya, leading to a surge of refugees. It was France that supplied weapons to Libyan rebels, inflaming the conflict in clear violation of UNSCR 1970. It was France that proposed UNSCR 1973 and used it to justify being the first nation to openly bomb Libyan military and government targets.
Gaddafi may have been a brutal, drug-addled nutter, but still, Libya used to be the most prosperous nation in Africa. Had France chosen to reinforce the Libyan govt rather than attack it, order could have been restored in the wake of the Arab Spring and the flow of refugees stemmed. Same story in Syria.
Instead, the West has adopted the opposite strategy, seeking to destabilise the MENA, selling it to the media as regime change to overthrow tyrants and usher in more civilised societies. As it turns out, the opposite is achieved as secular dictatorships are replaced by an even greater evil, (theocratic dictatorships), thereby sending civilization in the region back 600 years and re-igniting the Sunni - Shia civil war. All the while, batshit crazy hawks in Israel (and their dual-citizen neocon peers in DC) cheer it along, thinking that Israel's security is enhanced by the chaos, seemingly oblivious to the fact that a whole generation of Muslim men are getting combat-hardened and that they hate Israel even more than they hate each other. How that situation supports Israel's long-term security is hard to explain.
Hussein, Gaddafi and Assad were brutal tyrants, but Western sponsored "regime change" has killed, maimed, dispossessed and displaced far more than these men ever did. It would have been less inhumane to maintain the strong men, as was the former US strategy under more pragmatic leadership, before the insane neocons took over. Russia seems to understand this, but it will not find support in the West while the neocons in DC continue to shout over more sensible voices.
Actions and outcomes matter more than words and intentions. It is clear who the most destructive agents are and Hollande counts towards their number. In the disastrous aftermath he will claim good intentions and expect forgiveness of course, just like that cunt Tony Blair.
Outstanding.
The real failure is when the missile explode in your face ...
http://news.usni.org/2015/07/22/destroyer-uss-the-sullivans-damaged-afte...