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Happy "$15 Minimum Wage" Labor Day From McDonalds

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Coming to, or rather from, every forced "minimum wage" provider near you. And don't forget to thank your micromanaging, centrally-planning government.

h/t @TopherCarlton

 

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Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:52 | 6520608 SirTaxedAlot
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Can't wait to get these in a stip club.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:58 | 6520637 CaptainAmerika
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this is what plays on the screen: http://www.philiacband.com/propaganda.html

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:17 | 6520724 MalteseFalcon
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Who gives a shit?

Burgers won't be any cheaper. 

Are minimum wage workers really dragging down this nation?

What's with the hard on for this issue?  It's embarrassing.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:23 | 6520746 Soul Glow
Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:32 | 6520791 Laowei Gweilo
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lol the possibly next Canadian government wants to do this for the entire minumum wage

 

though I guess that's like only 11-12USD or something... haha $20CAD to work fast food lol I know MBAs from lacking second-tier CAD unis in entry-level positions that makes less than that

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:43 | 6520838 duo
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Japan has had these for 15 years.  One person can run a Yoshinoya resturant overnight. He'll never have to handle money, because it's all in the machine. 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:38 | 6521041 NihilistZero
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And Japan is a sterling fucking example of where we want our economy to go...II could give a shit about McDs and am glad a higher minimum wage is going to destroy their shit biz model. Mom and pop hamburger stands and places like In N Out will take their business while providing a better product. Fuck McDonald's and the rentier class cocksuckers who profit from their slagging of poison disguised (poorly) as food.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:54 | 6521108 nathan118
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Stop sugarcoating it Nihilist and tell us how you REALLY feel.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 23:21 | 6521180 CrazyCooter
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Can I have one of these on my ballot instead of the two fuck sticks I get to pick from?

  • Free shit for everyone? NOPE
  • OMG the muzzies! War! NOPE
  • Deliver your mail? YEP
  • Tax the shit out of anything that moves (and doesn't have a lobby group)? NOPE
  • Defend the borders? YEP
  • Over pay for a carbon based douchebag to do the opposite of everything you voted for? NOPE

That would be AWESOME!

Regards,

Cooter

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 23:40 | 6521225 Stainless Steel Rat
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Lazy Americans are just not willing to work as hard as robots.  That's why robots are going to get all the jobs.  It takes work to make money, not capital!

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 00:18 | 6521272 bunnyswanson
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Americans are no different from any other people.  Why you would think that Canadians, australians, etc would be better is beyond me.  This world isn't created to make rich men pay less to the natives.  this world is for the natives to live in, and the rich are a consequence of our work.  When the leadership from local to high govt levels do NOT warn the people of impending dome, what do you expect the people to do?  There is nothing coming out of MSM, and the 6 corporations who own all the TV/news outlets/radio stations purchased them for this reason.  THIS IS A SILENT FUCKING COUP GODDAMN IT.

The rich assholes who stole the world under the disguise of a failed economic policy...now, they deserve some recognition fuck face.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 02:45 | 6521482 HowdyDoody
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The rationale for this change is just an excuse. It is all abount increasing profits (and CEO bonuses). Even a $5 / hour 'wage' would not have stopped the greedy from extracting more rent (CEO bonus etc) from the process.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 04:58 | 6521579 The9thDoctor
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These pay screens should have been implemented back in the 1990s when minimum wage went to $5.15 an hour.

I know Zero Hedge gets all upset over minimum wage. I actually support minimum wage because it forces corporations to be more innovative with limited funds and it gets us one step closer to full unemployment which is what I advocate.

I'd rather a robot replace a human to do a task, than a human become a robot to fill a job. These mundane jobs are so last century and they need to go pronto. There's nothing worse than being stuck in a dead end unfulfilling job, which is something I know all too well.

I welcome full unemployment, and I welcome welfare as a transitional step to a resource based economy.

We should only have entrepreneurs and independent contractors. No mega corporations and no employees. Everyone else who has no skill set to offer society should be on welfare and housed. Wage slavery needs to be abolished as it is an industrial age relic. If one is satisfied sitting at home playing games all day, that can be accommodated. For those of us that want to do better, we can create startups that are serviced by independent contractors to fill any void in society that isn't covered.

Critics dismiss this as "utopia". The irony is that this message is posted on a blog on the world wide web which would have been science fiction fantasy when I was a child. Is today a utopia? Well compared to the agrarian age it is, but obviously we have problems today. New problems will arise in the system I advocate, but that's just the journey of life, and the startups of their day will rise to the challenge to tackle those problems.

The minimum wage argument that is whined about constantly on this website is rearranging the chairs on a sinking Titanic. The agrarian age is over! The industrial age is over! We need a completely new economic system that deals with today's reality of social media and instant information at the click of a button.

Jobs numbers and labor arguments and unions and blah, blah, blah is just bailing wire and chewing gum used to hold up a rotten to the core failed system. Yellen and The Fed knows their days are numbered. Japan has been a Zombie economy for the last quarter century because the post War growth has hit its logistic ceiling. We can't have forever growth on a finite planet with finite resources. We have to take off the nostalgia goggles at look at the current reality of the 21st Century. Even China and their ghost cities is taking a big dump lately.

Buckminster Fuller really did see the future, and we can do much more with much less.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 05:30 | 6521592 TongueStun
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yep lazy HS dropouts deserve a 100% raise, and happy meals should be $20

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 08:28 | 6521886 Stainless Steel Rat
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I worked for a time developing software for an insurance company that did pilot insurance.  I was asked during the interview if I minded whether my work would cause people to lose their jobs.  They had a team of people whose job it was to do a manual process to overcome the shortcomings of the current software.  I quickly replaced them and 5 people lost their jobs.  Then it was determined that they wanted some way to get past their current current backlog of 2000+ requests for insurance that were currently bottle-necked on their team of 30+ adjusters.  I was amazed that they even had to go to the adjusters.  Using analysis I determined the actual rate being offered vs all factors that were known and recorded about them.  Unfortunately, the president of the company was a former adjuster himself and wasn't comfortable with that.  So, they now take one month to get back to you while their competitors offer a quote immediately from their website.  I left when they couldn't provide a matching counter-offer to another job offer because "you'd be making as much as the president of the company."  I currently make even $20,000 more than that.  I was kidding about the robots, though.  Who is going to work as hard as a robot?  But they're coming.  Fully automated burger stands, automated lawn care, self-driving semis, etc.  Marxism was brought about by fear of farm machinery.  I wonder what this new phase will bring.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:06 | 6522379 Arnold
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Interesting Post.

Question and preface.: there used to be a poster named slewie who I did not know well..

 

Statement: Automation is a tidal wave, a similie to the financial tsunami.

I am half remembering a Sci Fi procog story that had us untrapped in our cube like apartments, perfectly satisfied not to travel out of them, physical and intellectual needs satisfied.

One of these denizens had to travel for some reason and was terrorized of it, Travel was easy as the whole cube moved to the new location, yet it produced high anxiety.

Back to our time and reality, if this current over arching way of thinking does not shit the bed back into the stone age, we must figure out what to do with ourselves and skills.

I really don't want automated decision making on my behalf, even it is quicker, better, and more efficient. I will live with human imperfection, because it means a constant struggle, a human right missed by many and a species imperative.

I will do some research in my antiquated, ephemeral paper library to find and reference the story. ald

 

Thanks for ticking that brain cell.

In the mean time:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/jan/22/1000-novels-science-fiction...

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:50 | 6521789 antonina2
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I would have to say I am in agreement that our financial system is a relic, that was originally place with bad intentions to begin with.  I think the juvenile, eye for an eye, hierarchical and judgmental ways of thinking that we need to abolish.  Once societies are allowed to do and think freely, without being boxed in by outside expectations for a period of time, progress will happen and peace will be made.  Most people the world over don't think about killing, screwing over, etc their neighbor more than 50% of the time with all of these imposed "rules" present.  Therefore, the mean attitude lies in peace and the willingness to work together.  Just imagine how much better things would be if we say, all acted like one big family and did what we could to help each other out.  Communities would still do things like install stop lights, fix roads, support their elderly, etc.  It would all be on a voluntary basis, which would produce a higher overall success rate than we currently have, because people will not be feeling the pressures of having to pay a mortgage, taxes, rent, for food, gas, technology, what have you.  Crime rates would plummet.  For example, without a monetary system, robots would probably already be working all of the mundane jobs that no one likes to do, we would have electric flying cars, vacations on the moon or mars and there would be no such thing as the human misery index.  It is just ridiculous to think how stupid we all really are, even the filthy rich, really what they are achieving are only short term personal gains and completely missing the big picture.  It truly amazes me how stupid people allow themselves to be and how they are so easily swayed from true happiness, sovereignty and freedom to buy into some psychopath's twisted reality.  So, sad :( 

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:01 | 6522893 Arnold
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nice.

Break it up a bit to make it more readable.

learn paragraphs, although seemingly not relevant any more.

 

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:51 | 6521790 antonina2
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Whoops, submitted twice!

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 08:26 | 6521868 Professor Fate
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And 9thDoctor...Holy Crap.  Here is today's lesson in REAL.

"Greed is good".  Yup, Gordon Gecko was right.  It is "greed" that makes us want better than average.  Better than average for ourselves, our kids, our well being.  If you believe in a system based on "average" where everyone gets the same, then Cuba or Venezeuala are the places for you.  In systems based on "average" or a mean living standard as defined by the state, there is no innovation, no motivation, and economies collapse.  The importance of "motivated" greed driven entrepreneurs in economies cannot be over estimated.  Entrepreneurs are like "wildcatters".  Most are simply their to make a better than average living and leave the pay check harvesting lifestyle behind.  A few, however, develop something truly remarkable through their drive to succeed and can change large economic segments, causing millions of people to be employed by their innovation.  Think Gates, Jobs, etc.  Grab a copy of "Wealth of Nations".  Its a hard read but a real eye opener.  As an alternative, hit the website Mises.org as often as you can.

Fate the Magnificent
"Push the Button, Max"  

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 08:54 | 6521967 SWRichmond
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I think I would prefer the characterization "enlightened self interest".  The word "greed" for me carries the baggage of someone who cares not a whit for his fellows.  Anyone who is at least a bit "enlightened" knows that such a system cannot function.  "All for me and none for thee", or "It is not enough that I succeed, everyone else must fail" are not unsustainable systems.  A rising tide truly DOES lift all boats, when everyone has taken the step to build a boat for themselves. 

The sociopaths are the ones who "ruin it for everyone".

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 08:30 | 6521825 Professor Fate
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Hmmm...The good news here is that robots speak English and don't have to call the manager to look over their little metal shoulders when they make change.  And I've never seen a robot with gold teeth or "grills".  

Fate the Magnificent
"Push the Button, Max 

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 09:37 | 6522164 StychoKiller
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What about Hookerbot 3000?  She's got a heart of gold!

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 09:15 | 6522068 J Jason Djfmam
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"I am Bender, please insert girder."

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 09:33 | 6522150 StychoKiller
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Ya got that right, pal!

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 01:55 | 6521426 omi
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I'd take Japan over USA any time. Very high standard of living, generally polite and educated people. Somewhat dense, but quality of much better. How shall I put it, there's not much people that are just outright trash. It seems to be very USA-centric problem.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 03:20 | 6521521 migra
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You have not traveled much if you think the U.S has the world cornered on trashy people.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 05:31 | 6521594 TongueStun
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Translation: Japan doesn't have a violent kneegrow problem

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 08:55 | 6521971 SWRichmond
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I'd take Japan over USA any time.

The Japanese I have spoken with see it differently.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:36 | 6521755 Grimaldus
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While I agree about Japan, In N Out burgers suck.....and so do you. 

Dried up tiny burger and cold fries, long wait in line, screw In N Out.

Lots of poor people take their family to McDonald's, it was affordable and the kids had fun. The last thing they need is progressive government tyranny raising the cost to do so. So what about the food.

To hell with progressive tyranny, poorly disguised as government.

 

 

 

Grimaldus

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 09:03 | 6522005 NihilistZero
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Obvious trolling... Nobody who's ever eaten In N Out would EVER say that about their food. Fucking Gordon Ramsey ate them twice in one day he loved them so much. Julia Child was a fan. And they pay their employees great. So yeah you're an asshole.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 09:24 | 6522115 Reggie Dunlop
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"Those are good burgers, Walter."

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 23:32 | 6521207 newdoobie
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Canadian fast food workers don't understand the concept of fast food.

 

Take one order... Serve one order.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:44 | 6521777 Reichstag Fire Dept.
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No, Canada is talking about raising the min wage to Cdn$15.oo / hr too. Americans forget, everyone else in the world is poorer than you are. Only when Americans are made as poor as Canadians were in 2008 does anyone question any fuckin' thing around here! You do not simply apply FX to the problem.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:23 | 6521724 doctor10
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Makes one wonder which exchanges use an open-source software code to follow and post price and volume, doesn't it?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:25 | 6520757 New_Meat
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Yo, Icon:

"What's with the hard on for this issue?  It's embarrassing."

Please stop embarrassing yourself in  public.  Take one Milton Friedman "Free to Choose" chapter on wages and two Thomas Sowell "Unintended Consequences" and "Second Order Thinking" chapters and check back in later.

- Ned

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:00 | 6520902 bamawatson
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new meat ---excellent excellent post !

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:05 | 6520921 Thorny Xi
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If you knew Milton Friedman a little bit better and the knew about shit he was involved with, you'd get up off that knee.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:14 | 6520957 A Nanny Moose
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Poison the well much? Respond to the idea, not the man.

If not, then leave the room. The adults are having a discussion.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 00:19 | 6521275 TheReplacement
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Along with, "But christians sin so God must be bad.".

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:02 | 6521671 MalteseFalcon
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Read the books.

Inflation adjusted, the minimum wage is lower than in the 1960s, yet there were fast food chains in the 1960s.  There were many.  There was competition and wages were higher and profits were lower and burgers were cheaper and of a higher quality.

Now there is no competition.  What would Friedman and Sowell say about that?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:38 | 6520815 daveO
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Most MCD's employees aren't worth the current min. There's always one or two doing the work for the rest. Machines would be an improvement over most I've seen. Haven't been there in a few years. Still won't go.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:09 | 6520934 Slomotrainwreck
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Most MCD's employees aren't worth the current min.

 

With the new machines, the only difference will be that with cashiers, you had to guiess which one had the highest IQ thinking that that line would move faster. Now you have to guess which line has the highest IQ. It's gonna be tough.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 04:26 | 6521564 wigbam
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Logged in just to say LOL, this made my morning :D

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:23 | 6523174 XitSam
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It isn't the cashier that slows down the line, it is the total weight of the customer's party.  I'm not saying that fat people order more food, although they do, I'm saying that fat slobs want their orders all specialed up because Social Justice.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 23:28 | 6521183 TheRideNeverEnds
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You telling me this champion of customer service doesn't deserve 15$/hr?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd9ko7F_faQ

bonus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvmbZkAGQFE

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 23:47 | 6521237 acetinker
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I'm well aware that niggers come in all shapes, colors and sizes- but dayum!

Wonder does that protagonist in the second vid know how well he represents the stereotype?

Nah.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 03:08 | 6521509 OldPhart
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Damn....

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:40 | 6520827 Fukushima Fricassee
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Eat them shits you will, just pay the robot and STFU.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 00:41 | 6521318 goldsaver
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Welcome to Carl's Jr. Would you like to try our BIG ASS FRIES?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:49 | 6520862 Sanity Bear
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what's pulling down this nation is people with no more useful skills than flipping a burger and working a register...

 

 

 

 

 

...running the government and the financial sector

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:12 | 6520953 rsnoble
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Plenty of laid off engineers last time I checked.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:30 | 6521741 Refuse-Resist
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There's no affirmative action for white middle aged men.

Government only wants minorities.

I check 'black; on all boxes asking about race. Why? Because even asking is racist. Why does it even matter if everybody is anti-racist?

If Bruce is a chick, then I'm a nigger.

Blee dat.

All forms asking about race get checked black and I don't give a fuck.

 

 

 

 

 

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:57 | 6521807 847328_3527
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I tell young white kids the same thing who are applying for scholarship money. They won't get a dime no matter how poor they are if they are white. Check the 'black' box and if anyone ask tell them your grandmother was black. If they question it then warn them you'll yell out to Al Sharpton and the local news media. Pull the OJ race card on them. The college will get so scared they'll hand the money to you. These institutions are scared poopless of the race issues.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:12 | 6520952 MalteseFalcon
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Down arrows?

It's fucking embarrassing.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:26 | 6520980 Superdave532
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Embarrassing to think it's a legitimate concern that so many people support a solution that so obviously won't work?  Check what's happening with every single corporation that's arbitrarily raised their employees wages recently.  So many people think it's the holy grail to solving financial inequality and it's not even a drop in the bucket - it's worse.

 

Edit: Plus, no one is saying that minimum wages workers are dragging the country down.  It's that this will simply put more people out of work and on government handouts.  Nor is anyone claiming that it will have anything to do with making burgers cheaper or more expensive.... I don't think you grasp what's going on here.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:42 | 6521064 NihilistZero
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Inflation adjusted the minimum wage in the 70s was OVER $15 an hour and the rentiers and grifters didn't own our government. Burgers were a lot fucking better to. That this clickbait bullshit is seen a useful to the Tylers IS fucking embarrassing.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:49 | 6521095 Superdave532
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I respect your point, but financial quality of life has been getting worse and worse ever since then.  Are you really under the impression that money will be transfered from the top of corporations down through to the workers, supposedly stimulating the middle class?  That money comes out of making everything you purchase more expensive, and from squeezing suppliers so that they make even less money per unit of effort as well.  You can't force people to pay their workers more and expect an overall better quality of life for the society as a whole.  It's simply not the answer, and calling it articles like this "embarrassing" isn't solving anything either.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 23:48 | 6521238 NihilistZero
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Higher minimum wage breaks McDs and others shit biz models that are based on EXHORBANT commercial RE costs that maintain the lifestyle of the rentier class.  Remember McDonald's business is not food, it's RE as they own or have the master lease on all the franchise properties.  The input costs from labor a relatively minuscule.  A raise to a living wage would force MCDs to lower franchise fees and their profits from the RE they control.  Fuck those corporate cocksuckers.  Impose a $15 minimum wage and subsidize it through direct credits to all qualifying small businesses.  Let McDonald's and all the other tools of the rentier class die on the vine.  Smaller more nimble business will replace them and the the great grift that is the ruling class control of most important RE might subside.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 00:18 | 6521273 MSimon
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Well. If it breaks their business model they will go out of business. There go the jobs. I guess no job is an improvement ove a job that pays too little. Eh?

 

And the answer is government subsidies? We already have them. And you don't have to work to get them.

 

We have way more government than we can afford.

 

More government is not a blow against the ruling class. It empowers them.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 00:30 | 6521289 TheReplacement
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You are completely missing his point.  He is saying do this to break the corporations and empower small business. 

PS- I don't think it will work now with technology and all but go back 20 years...

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 05:01 | 6521581 The9thDoctor
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NihilistZero is spot on.

+1

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:07 | 6521687 MalteseFalcon
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Yes. What NihilistZero said.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 09:25 | 6522117 NihilistZero
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If it breaks their business model they will go out of business. There go the jobs. I guess no job is an improvement ove a job that pays too little. Eh?

It is an improvement fuckhead.  If you're a low wage couple what is better, you both slaving away or one of you with a job while the other can better himself to your long term benefit.  beyond that for every McDonald's that closes people are STILL going to need their burgers so the non-shit restaurants will go on a hiring spree.

Jesus Fucking Christ you guys are so programmed by the Matrix to hate labor, you're completely oblivious to how the war on working people has DESTROYED this country!

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 10:49 | 6522413 mc225
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word

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 03:49 | 6521541 John_Coltrane
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You know, for a statist control freak statements like you "Impose a $15 minimum wage" you have a strange moniker.  Nihilsts and anarchists are definately not statists. 

And here's a question?  Why not impose a $100 minimum wage?  Or for that matter a $1 one.  Either is equally stupid and useless, much like your "comment"

Only supply and demand can set any price and if you don't understand this big words liike nihiilst are over your head.  Change it to ">zero"

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:10 | 6521691 MalteseFalcon
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"And here's a question? Why not impose a $100 minimum wage? Or for that matter a $1 one. Either is equally stupid and useless, much like your "comment""

Neither a $100 wage or a $1 wage yields results superior to a $15 wage.  So why bother even mentioning those ridiculous wages?

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 09:07 | 6522029 NihilistZero
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Because he's part of the Limbaugh dittohead brigade that has invaded ZH. It's a talking point as old and tired as Rush himself...

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 08:36 | 6521908 Superdave532
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Again, you're making the assumption that wage gains will come from anywhere other than the bottom line and the supply chain, and I think recent events show that's unsubstantiated. You really want to use this tactic to break the corporate business model? How do you expect small businesses to exist in the same environment? It's more likely to just kill the economy altogether than achieve anything you're aiming for. 

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 09:28 | 6522137 NihilistZero
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Bullshit.  Milton Friedman himself advocated for a negative income tqax as a for of social spending.  All I'm saying is that the mega corps who have brougjht us this ruin WOULD NOT qualify.

I guess like so many here you fail to realize that government wil ALWAYS pick winners and losers and suggest that they don't use that power to help labor when they have already used it to enrich the oligarchy.  to do so is beyond stupid.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:42 | 6522813 Superdave532
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I don't want the government to pick winners and losers at all, I want them to stay the fuck out and provide the bare essentials.  Why do you think the government is capable of coming up with a strategy that really helps labor?  What examples can you point to that didn't have awful unintended consequences?  All you're doing is ignoring the points that I'm making, calling me wrong, calling everyone else retarded, and using bold print.  

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 15:18 | 6523496 NihilistZero
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I don't want the government to pick winners and losers at all...

Government got your message.  Their response was "We don't give a fuck what you want".  Nothing happens in a fucking vacuum.  Government is NOT going to stop bestowing lagresse upon Wall ST and the large corporate structures anytime soon.  You ought to be hoping to all hell that someone like Sanders or Trump does SOMETHING for working people in this country before the thin veil that hides American fascism is completely torn away.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 15:27 | 6523535 Superdave532
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For someone that says they don't trust the government, you sure do trust the government to help you if they do something like mandate wages...... 


Giving the gov more power doesn't make the situation you're going on about any better. 

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 19:22 | 6524412 NihilistZero
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you sure do trust the government to help you if they do something like mandate wages......

I don't trust anybody or anything, much less government.  But facts are facts, when .gov mandated a minimum wage that inflation adjusted was actually OVER $15 an hour and had sane trade policies EVERYONE (with the exception of the oligarchs and their sycophants) was doing better.  The standard of living enjoyed even in the inflationary 70's by working class people was higher than today and that is a fact.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:39 | 6521051 The Shape
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It is. Anyone who has worked in one of these shitholes can tell you they could drop wages to 4 cents an hour and it wouldn't result in one more job.

They're constantly trying to cut hours and send people home from their shift early when they're being paid a pittance now.

It has always been a race to the bottom and these kiosks were coming regardless.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:31 | 6521022 Vlad the Inhaler
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This would have happened minimum wage or no.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:40 | 6521057 privateparts501
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W/O the wage slaves, and the burger cost remaining the same, that means higher profits and a higher divend per share. Time to buy some stock.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 06:44 | 6521643 jcaz
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It's "embarrassing" that people such as you don't have a basic grasp of economics and history.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:13 | 6521696 MalteseFalcon
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The issue is a joke and a smoke screen for the real problem, ie corporatism and no free markets.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:58 | 6521787 jcaz
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The pseudo-intellectual "go to" anymore is to call something a misdirection.

It's very simple,  yet you don't get it.

Your idea of a"Free market" is to limit the growth of technology and force companies to employ troglodytes?   To dictate what they should pay?

That's awesome thinking.   You'll love the 14th century.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:54 | 6521801 Watusi
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This is simply the easiest to understand example of the government getting in the way of voluntary transactions, and the repercussions of these intrussions. 

If Ron wants to pay Joe $1 per hour for a job, and Joe considers himself lucky to get a job at $1 an hour, why should anyone step in and say: "no, you two are not free to negotiate this simple labor-for-money transaction. We will tell you what Ron must pay Joe."??

Few other forms of government meddling are as transparent as this.

 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:13 | 6520956 rsnoble
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NEVER pay for ANYTHING in advance at a strip club.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 10:52 | 6522432 mc225
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word

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 23:58 | 6521254 Leveraged Algorithm
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Hope this fucking machine speaks english......

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 01:54 | 6521301 Midas
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I can guarantee that the one in my neighborhood will start, "press one for English."  It is possible that it will be press 2 for English, but I haven't heard that, yet.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 03:12 | 6521511 OldPhart
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Presione uno para español, presione dos para Inglés.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 01:23 | 6521388 drendebe10
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Can't see the forests for the trees? ? It's about a buncha elected stupid fukn progressive liberal democraps stuff in their bullshit agenda down everyone else's throat and makin some one else pay for it, usually working tax paying US citizen serfs & peasants.  U give the miedras an inch & they take 20 miles.

Wake up. Time to die.   Leon in Blade runner

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 01:23 | 6521389 drendebe10
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Can't see the forests for the trees? ? It's about a buncha elected stupid fukn progressive liberal democraps stuff in their bullshit agenda down everyone else's throat and makin some one else pay for it, usually working tax paying US citizen serfs & peasants.  U give the miedras an inch & they take 20 miles.

Wake up. Time to die.   Leon in Blade runner

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:52 | 6520609 JungleCat
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Used them in London this summer.
Better than dealing with humans.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:55 | 6520626 Bananamerican
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you ATE that shit?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:07 | 6520680 TSA Thug
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THE JUNGLECAT WILL SURVIVE! He can eat nails if he had to.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:20 | 6520734 tmosley
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Tastes like shit, but you can live on it.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:23 | 6520745 Big Corked Boots
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Just not very long.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:56 | 6520882 Hulk
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Keeps the toilet paper industry happy !!!

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 03:31 | 6521530 risk.averse
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Keeps the toilet paper industry happy !!!


Hey this could be Nokia's path to salvation!! After all, they were a toilet paper manufacturer once-upon-a-time...before the whole cellphone thing made them famous -- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1505703.stm

Think about it: what's the one constant in an ever-changing world? Yes, everyone, rich or poor, has to take a regular dump. MCD's product just makes this happen a lot more frequently. Vertical integration, baby! Nokia could supply both the robot order takers and the paper to help you deal with the after-effects.

And everyone was saying that Microsoft was stupid to pay so much to acquire Nokia -- hah! genius, I say.

 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:57 | 6520634 Long-John-Silver
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They don't spit in your food or ignore you while talking to a Boy or Girl Friend.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:41 | 6520830 Son of Loki
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They don't have a chip on their shoulders, either. I bet the machine even knows how to count!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:30 | 6521020 Proofreder
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How well will the machine employee do

when the inevitable brick is thrown through the front window

by a disgruntled former employee, cheered on by the crowd as the place is looted.  Where is Robocop when you need him ?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:37 | 6521040 bigkahuna
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Thats when skynet comes online

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:02 | 6520661 ToSoft4Truth
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Do the McScreens have icky fingerprints on the glass like the ATM glass?   

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:14 | 6520714 Mr Pink
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Exactly what I was thinking. Do they have a dispenser of surgical gloves? Disgusting

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:51 | 6520869 Sanity Bear
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the customers touching that glass are going to be no worse than the people in the back who are handling your cardboard

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 09:20 | 6522096 J Jason Djfmam
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Time to get a tablet pen.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:44 | 6520840 pupdog1
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I suspect it's far, far worse than that.

 

[icky.

A perfectly good word not heard often enough in conversation these days.]

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:15 | 6520717 Mostly Harmless
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Show me the machine that builds the burgers, and then I'll be impressed.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:17 | 6520723 bonin006
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We saw that here something like a year ago.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:18 | 6520725 stljoe
Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:42 | 6520836 Son of Loki
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Sounds very doable esp for the simple burgers.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:20 | 6520986 A Nanny Moose
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hold the mayo plz.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:20 | 6521716 MalteseFalcon
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I had a burger in France 30 years ago that was produced by a machine. 

I wanted them to hold the mustard. 

Yet my burger had mustard on it. 

The "server" explained:  "Eet ees the machine, monsieur.  This ees hwhat eet does."

Don't expect better service.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:32 | 6521744 Refuse-Resist
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A bildaberger machine? OH FUCK NO!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:55 | 6520610 JustObserving
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Can we replace the parasitic Nobel Prize Winner with a benign computer? He costs well over $1400 million a year

Obama family 'costs taxpayers $1.4BILLION per year'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210323/Obama-family-costs-taxpa...

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:59 | 6520645 OC Sure
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Beware the priests from  the temple of syrinx.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:14 | 6520712 adr
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226 members of Obama's staff, not including secret service agents and cabinet members, make over $100k a year.

Including the dog walker who makes $120k.

I wonder what Moochelle is going to steal from the White House. I bet the thing looks like an abandoned ghetto home after they leave.

Wonder if Obama's staff will steal the copper pipes in the basement?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:45 | 6520845 Son of Loki
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I read they've already installed padlocks on the wh a/c units:

 

http://losscontrol.westfieldinsurance.com/2011/07/copper-theft-the-growi...

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:43 | 6521067 NoPension
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I hear there is a special team that comes in to get the springs out of the carpets.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:52 | 6520873 Fukushima Fricassee
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Why you have to bring up that nasty dindus swinging dick Mooch and fuck up a good glass of whiskey?

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 09:21 | 6522103 J Jason Djfmam
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How do you know it hasn't already been done?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:53 | 6520612 OC Sure
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Luddite much?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:13 | 6520707 tarsubil
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But you haven't thought this through. When all work is done by robots, what are we going to call today?

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 19:28 | 6524434 OC Sure
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All work cannot ever be done by robots. 

At the end of a day, if you have done it right, then we shall always call today a good day.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:54 | 6520618 Long-John-Silver
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Those are made by a company called Skynet.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:56 | 6520630 ersatz007
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Welcome to Carl's Jr. Would you like to try our EXTRA BIG ASS TACO? Now with more MOLECULES!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:58 | 6520640 ToSoft4Truth
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Which tickers are making the automation? 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:05 | 6520641 bigkahuna
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They will replace the cooks with an automated system with conveyer. You will get a number when you order with a bar code on your receipt. Your number will flash above a small porthole when your order is done and placed there for you by the conveyor. You go to your porthole with your receipt containing the bar code and scan it. The porthole opens up and you take your food.

 

remember:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-12/meet-smart-restaurant-minimum-w...

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:12 | 6520703 Bossman1967
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Cool then I will actually eat there cause I got tired of nasty shitty food served by dumbass stupid people who dont care about anything but themselves if even that. I actually dont care much for going into public places people just seem to all be off. I love hanging around my family and I work with the older people that have sense maybe old but they can carry on a conversation. So I aplaud the auto untill these young people get thier heads outta thier asses

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:51 | 6520863 bigkahuna
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It does seem like it would be safer and more friendly. I would like to see one around here fully automated - perhaps it will get the 15 an hour crowd to respect their work more.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:22 | 6521722 MalteseFalcon
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Will the robot eat the nasty shit, too?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:58 | 6520642 VW Nerd
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Can we choose our language??

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:04 | 6520666 IridiumRebel
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I would say that having an "Ebonics" language option would be wise.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:41 | 6520832 pupdog1
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Choo want sumpfin'?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:03 | 6520912 IridiumRebel
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Cholo option....white trash.....they'll need "colloquial" options.

Fo hundrit an fitty dollas.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:54 | 6521110 bigkahuna
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They will just use the pictures for all of us. We'll get it.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:59 | 6520643 booboo
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Oh great, silicon luggies, can't wait.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:24 | 6521725 MalteseFalcon
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Will the robot break up fights, too?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:02 | 6520660 LetsGetPhysical
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I don't eat McDonalds, but as a general rule, I'd rather talk to a computer screen than a bitch with weave and fake nails named Shaquanda. Would probably get the food faster and the order right too.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:10 | 6520696 MANvsMACHINE
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Good thing you didn't mention Shaquanda's race. You could be labeled a rayccist!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:46 | 6520844 TalkToLind
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Bullshit, Tanner and Hanna will fuck your order up just as well as Shaquanda. The best way to fix this is to never eat at McDonalds.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:36 | 6521756 Refuse-Resist
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True story/ The last two times I've eaten at McD's .. the 'white' McD's fucked up my order. the 'black' McD's got it right.

Moral: Don't trust a fast food restaurant to get your order right. No matter who's working there.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:45 | 6521080 NihilistZero
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Funny thing about paying a decent wage, you get people who give a fuck about their job and don't look anything like "Shaquanda"...

Witness all the clean cut and incredibly thankful kids who work at In N Out.

But hey let's not pay people enough to have a decent living and motivation to take pride in their work.

Because, socialism...

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 11:04 | 6522476 mc225
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there's a place in seattle called 'dick's drive-in'. they're like in&out in that they have hand-cut french fries and real milkshakes.

dick's pays a wage above and beyond any of the national 'chains'. dick's also was early in offering medical, and tuition matching. and, these are some of the best burgers/fried/shakes in seattle. the only places that compete are the other small, local outfits. the big 'chains' like mcdonald's and burger king have never been competitive from a quality standpoint.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:03 | 6520663 you enjoy myself
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Irony will have come full circle once the $15/hr protestors not only get fired, but then get replaced by robot protestors once they take to the streets again.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:53 | 6520876 NotApplicable
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"Bite my shiny metal ass!"

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:06 | 6520676 SSRI Junkie
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when these machine-americans rise up and unionize and demand 29 hour work weeks, paid sick time, vacation time and obolacare covered lube jobs we will have reached the apex of our civilization

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:07 | 6520681 IridiumRebel
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we have reached the apex of our civilization

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:51 | 6520687 SSRI Junkie
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T-6: Rise of the Machine-Americans

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:23 | 6520748 Jethro
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Yeah, it's probably all downill from here

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:49 | 6520858 pupdog1
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Actually, the apex was reached with cheese in a can.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:12 | 6520954 Proofreder
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I Think Not ...

Haagen dazs 

is much more a pinnacle of civilization indicator than lowly cheese in a can, fergawdsake - donchaknow?

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