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Powder Kegs Exploding: Violence Escalates In Turkey, Yemen As Mid-East Tips Towards Chaos

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On Friday we checked in on two of the world’s most important conflicts: 1) that which is unfolding in Turkey where President Recep Tayyip Erdo?an has effectively granted Washington access to Incirlik (you know, for “anti-terror” sorties) in exchange for NATO’s acquiescence to a brutal crackdown on the Kurds as AKP looks to usurp Turkey's fragile deomcracy, and 2) that which is unfolding in Yemen, where a Saudi-led coalition is fighting to restore the government of Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi. 

In Turkey, Erdogan has successfully undermined the coalition building process necessitating new elections in November when he hopes the escalation of violence across the country will prompt voters to restore AKP’s parliamentary majority allowing the President to rewrite the constitution and consolidate his power. Journalists are being arrested, a terror “tip line” has been set up, a 24-hour Erodgan Presidential TV channel is in the works, and the country has, for all intents and purposes, been plunged into civil war with ISIS acting as a smokescreen for Erdogan’s power grab. 

As for Yemen, the Iran-backed Houthis have been driven back by Saudi and UAE troops but the problem, as WSJ noted last week, is that the ragtag militia in Aden is “a motley group that spans the spectrum from southern secessionists to ultraconservative Salafi Islamists to supporters of al Qaeda." In other words, it doesn't seem all that far-fetched to suggest that should restoring Hadi ultimately prove to be impossible, an independent South Yemen could end up falling into the hands of extremists, which would be ironic not only for the fact that it would represent the latest example of US foreign policy gone horribly awry, but also because according to at least one source, the Saleh government - whose fighters are now allied with the Houthis - for years worked with AQP while accepting US anti-terror funding. Notably, were Yemen to split in two, it would also effectively create a permanent Iranian colony on Saudi Arabia's southern border.

In the two days since we detailed the latest on the two conflicts, both situations have deteriorated meaningfully. In Turkey, roadside bombs killed several Turkish soldiers on Sunday prompting a swift response from Ankara. Here’s more from Rudaw:

Several Turkish soldiers were killed or wounded Sunday by roadside bombs blamed on the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) in Turkey’s Kurdish southeast, the official Anadolu Agency reported.

 

It said the Turkish air force had launched air raids on PKK targets in the country’s Kurdish southeast following the attack. 

 

“Explosives reportedly planted by PKK terrorists on a road in the southeastern Hakkari province on Sunday have killed and wounded several soldiers,” AA reported.

 

It said the attack took place in the town of Daglica in Yuksekova district on Sunday evening. The bombs reportedly went off near two Turkish military vehicles carrying soldiers.

 

Security sources said several soldiers were killed or wounded, AA reported, adding there was no official statement on casualties.

 

PKK’s armed wing the Peoples Defence Force (HPG) however, said in a statement that the roadside bomb killed 15 Turkish soldiers.

 

“Guerrillas conducted an action against Turkish soldiers in Geliye Doske (Dagl?ca) area in Hakkari's Gever (Yuksekova) district today afternoon, which left 15 soldiers dead,” said the HPG.

 

The group added that a number of weapons seized in the ambush.

 

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan told the private ATV channel that the war on terror would be waged “with much greater determination” since the attack.

Yes, "much greater determination", which means more violence and more crackdowns on the media and anyone deemed to be a PKK sympathizer. Case in point, from AFP:

Supporters of Turkey's ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) on Sunday stormed the headquarters of the Hurriyet newspaper in Istanbul after accusing the daily of misquoting President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the publication said. 

 

A group of 150 people chanting slogans supporting the AKP pelted the offices of Hurriyet in Istanbul's Bagcilar district with rocks, knocking out windows and the front door.

It’s worth noting that a military campaign waged with “much greater determination” also means traders will continue to pressure the lira and Turkish stocks - and they too, will employ “much greater determination”: 

“One thing that all market participants agree on is continued volatility in the Turkish markets on global turmoil and political and geopolitical risk in Turkey,” Gulsen Ayaz, a director of institutional equity sales at Deniz Yatirim in Istanbul, told Bloomberg by e-mail. “Yesterday’s attack by the PKK has once again heightened the latter and the markets are pricing this.”

Of course as Erdogan will be happy to tell you, this could all have been avoided if voters had simply cast their ballot for AKP in June. Again, from AFP

"If a party had got 400 seats in the elections and reached the required number in parliament to change the constitution, the situation would be different," he said in a live interview with pro-government A-Haber channel. 

The violence and market turmoil comes on the heels of a two-day G20 meeting in Ankara. 

Meanwhile, in Yemen, the Houthis carried out the deadliest strike yet on the Saudi coalition killing 45 UAE troops when a missle hit a weapons depot in Marib province on Friday. “The sands of Marib are swallowing the invaders and their mercenaries," a Houthi official purportedly said on Twitter.

That attack - which also killed 10 Saudis - has precipitated stepped up airstrikes and now, the deployment of more thatn 1,000 troops from Qatar. Here's Bloomberg

Gulf Arab nations are expanding the ground war in Yemen, pouring more troops into the country to defeat Houthi rebels they say are backed by regional rival Iran.

 

About 1,000 troops from Qatar entered Yemen on Sunday from the Wadia post on the border with Saudi Arabia, the Qatari-owned Al Jazeera television reported. The soldiers, backed by armored vehicles and missile launchers, were on their way to Yemen’s oil-rich central Marib province, it said. Qatar’s foreign ministry didn’t immediately respond to calls seeking comment.

 

The deployment comes after 45 troops from the United Arab Emirates and 10 Saudi soldiers were killed in Marib on Friday, the worst setback to date for the Saudi-led coalition since it began its offensive in March. Mounting losses will test the will of the Gulf states to extend their involvement after helping the internationally recognized government of President Abdurabuh Mansur Hadi retake parts of southern Yemen.

 

Expanding the ground war carries a “huge risk of heavy casualties” for the Gulf Arab monarchies, said Ibrahim Fraihat, senior foreign policy fellow at the Brookings Doha Center. “Yemen has historically proved to be a very tough spot for foreign armies to fight and win.”

Maybe so, but if the coalition doesn't score a decisive victory over the Houthis it won't be for lack of trying because after all, the establishment of an Iranian proto-state on Saudi Arabia's southern border is absolutely out of the question in Riyadh's eyes. 

So as the coalition drives towards Sana'a - which the Saudi-owned al-Hayat newspaper says will be "liberated" after a "decisive battle" in Marib - and as Turkey, the US, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Qatar mull options for the final push to oust Assad in Syria, the only remaining question is whether Iran will remain on the sidelines and allow the Houthis to be routed and Assad deposed, or whether, like Moscow, Tehran finally decides that the time for rheotric has come to an end. 

And on that note, we'll close with the following from AP:

Iran's foreign minister on Monday criticized demands for the resignation of Syrian President Bashar Assad, saying such calls have prolonged the Arab country's civil war.

 

Mohammad Javad Zarif went so far as to say that those who have in the past years demanded Assad's ouster "are responsible for the bloodshed in Syria."

 

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Mon, 09/07/2015 - 13:46 | 6518933 Money Boo Boo
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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 13:54 | 6518967 LasVegasDave
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Pops tab, sips beer; "ahh"

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 13:56 | 6518972 y3maxx
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Proxy War now in full fledge mode....Houtooties(Russia) vs UAE & Saudi Arabis (USSA).

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:03 | 6519004 HowdyDoody
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Do not panic. Everything is fine. There have been no serious terrorist attacks against Israel, nor will there be.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:09 | 6519016 847328_3527
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" It's contained. "

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:34 | 6519119 Bernoulli
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Absolutely. Contained on the surface of the planet.

Nothing of this will spill over to space.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:37 | 6519129 Barnaby
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Except the new music. Remember the 80s? This is the same playbook, only cheesier. Think of the Alpha Centaurians!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:56 | 6519204 Pure Evil
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Why does anyone think Uncle Sam's US foreign policy has gone horribly awry?

It looks to me like Project Mayhem is right on target. All the milestones have been met, war in the ME, war on Russia's doorstep, the Chinese in meltdown mode, ready to wage war, remember last week's military parade showing the world the latest Chinese military gadgetry?

More than 94 million out of work in the US, there's enough cannon fodder to go around for years and years.

Now, all we need is for Venezuela to collapse and start a war with its neighbors, most of whom are US allies, Columbia for one.

Let the war games begin. Blood and guts and millions of souls are good for lifting stock markets.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:00 | 6519207 Manthong
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Obama has an impressive track record.

Iraq a hell hole

Libya a hell Hole

Yemen a hell hole

Syria a hell hole

The EU flooded by muslim refugees with cities and neighborhoods on the hell hole path.

And he is “really good at killing people” (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/03/obama-drones-double-down_n_4208815.html) and is without doubt more deadly than another great Nobel Peace Prize winner, Yassir Arafat  

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:22 | 6519313 Pure Evil
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I guess you have to kill a lot of people to be eligible for a Peace Prize.

Is that where the saying, Rest In Peace, comes from?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:38 | 6519374 o r c k
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Well at least he closed Guantanamo as promised.  Oh--

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:15 | 6519039 Divine Wind
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FUCK YOU, Jew hater.

Yet another pea brain who, lacking knowledge of actual dynamics in the region, defaults to blaming Jews and Israel.

You really must live a miserable, confused life.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:39 | 6519138 Barnaby
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I think your assessment is correct. Almost 90% of Jew-Haters, in my experience, believe in the same silly book of children's tales about a guy who parted waters, people who lived for 800 years and magic boats...

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:42 | 6519154 jefferson32
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Amalgaming Israel with the jewish people is judeophobic. Remember, many jews are against zionism and most zionists in the world are not jewish.

 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:46 | 6519169 Barnaby
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How did Russian assholes get conflated with religion anyway?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:03 | 6520409 conscious being
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I'm so happy you say "Jew hater" and not that stupid canard, Auntie Semite. That's great you're learning. Have a Knudleman-Kagan cookie.

Now take the next step and say Anti-Zionist, as in anti-Jewish FACISM, as in anti-Jewish supremasicts and your rhetoric will be more aligned with reality. Many Jews hate what you and your Zino-stormtroopers are doing in their name.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:42 | 6519147 jefferson32
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dup

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:29 | 6518971 y3maxx
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F*ck UAE, Saudi Arabi & USSA's MIC

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:55 | 6520384 Freddie
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Here is one of those General Dynamic Crown-Krinsky crime family Saudi M1's being cooked off by a 1970's Russian Tula made anti-tank missile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0nDHV_mkiY

More about Obama, McCain and LBJ's friends the Krinskys

http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/04/crown-crime-family-of-chicago.html

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 13:58 | 6518986 KnuckleDragger-X
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Not quite yet, but not to worry, President Zippy and Ketchup-boy are hard at work (between rounds of golf) to leave no viable civilization anywhere on the planet.....

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:13 | 6519031 ridethecurve
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Nothing more to see here.  Move along now.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:31 | 6520526 bowel collapse
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Its only "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" when you secure israels northern border.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 05:28 | 6521591 HolyfieldsOtherEar
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Uh, the Mideast is "tipping toward" chaos? What the fork do you call what it is now?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 13:52 | 6518954 q99x2
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Its about time Putin starts a New NWO.

What's with all the drag queens in the photo?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:36 | 6519125 Cangaroo.TNT
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If Yemen is "tipping" toward chaos, what the fuck does chaos look like?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:00 | 6519222 Pure Evil
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Have you ever seen a toilet bowl after someone with explosive diarrhea failed to flush?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 16:18 | 6519532 Dame Ednas Possum
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Any one of a large number of unwilling recipients of US foreign policy over the last 70 years.

Recent examples such as Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Somalia, Syria etc etc. spring to mind.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 13:54 | 6518957 Sudden Debt
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economic crisisses...

NOTHING ALL OUT WAR CAN'T SOLVE!!!

BBOOOOOOOOooooooommmMMM!

 

 

Now, first thing on the agenda: BOMB ALL OILFIELDS!!!!

Second: “huge risk of heavy casualties”  PUT THOSE GUYS ON A DIET ASAP!!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:30 | 6519343 Vylahkinnen
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Dude, take a chill pill.

Now let's talk about Islam. Are you willing to convert or not? You might better think about this. Can you move to Canada? Russia? New Zealand? Australia? Or will you fight on the European Battle Field? Oh come on. Don't you know? A European Civil war is about to break out. And it will get ugly.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 16:46 | 6519660 Sudden Debt
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I'm from Belgium, 45 minutes and I can be in 4 different countries :)

Hell no I wouldn't fight!

Load up the truck and I'm out through Holland, Norway and... I'll text you when I arrive ;)

I don't believe in patriotisme. It's the dumbest thing invented by the elite to steer poor people into meatgrinders. And all it takes is polyester ribbon and a bronze medal.

HA!! IF I WANT ONE OF THOSE I'LL BUY ONE ON EBAY FOR 5 EURO'S!!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 17:34 | 6519889 OzViking
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thats why the EU is making sure that muzzies are in every street in Europe. There willl be nowhere to run, no choice but to fight them.

 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 13:56 | 6518964 JustObserving
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That was always the Neocon plan.  Spread death and destruction in the Middle East.  And ensure there is constant civil war.

The Nobel Prize Winner has done more than his fair  share by bombing Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan ensuring failed states to foment wars and strife and suffering.  More than 4.5 million have been killed and at least 10 million refugees have been generated.  Give that man another Nobel Prize.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:01 | 6518996 KnuckleDragger-X
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I wouldn''t so much call it a plan, but an inevitable result. We want to rule over the rubble as the new Roman empire......

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:03 | 6519002 JustObserving
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Neocon ‘Chaos Promotion’ in the Mideast


April 13, 2015

Former Washington insider and four-star General Wesley Clark spilled the beans several years ago on how Paul Wolfowitz and his neoconservative co-conspirators implemented their sweeping plan to destabilize key Middle Eastern countries once it became clear that post-Soviet Russia “won’t stop us.”

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/04/13/neocon-chaos-promotion-in-the-mide...

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:45 | 6519166 jefferson32
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There is also this.

 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:40 | 6520560 conscious being
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jefferson - from your WIKI Clean Break / PNAC link "The polices set forth in the paper were rejected by Netanyahu.[2][3][verification needed][unreliable source?]"

Rejected by Netanyahoo?!? Holy revisionist history. That's the problem with Wiki. The lying PTB have a lock on getting it written their way, where it matters to them.

I think this is a better link. http://911blogger.com/node/2617

"The evidence implicating Israel is abundant. We have the plan (Clean Break) for the Middle East war, written in advance, calling for American military to implement Israeli domination of the Middle East. We have the spin off document (RAD) calling for a “new Pearl Harbor” to get Americans behind an invasion of the Middle East that would make Israel the preeminant power in that region with the help of the American military. Americans, believing the government's spin would seek to avenge the deaths of 911, by supporting military action in the Middle East to fight the "War On Terror". I think we can all agree that 911 was our “new Pearl Harbor” and many of the goals found in "Clean Break" and "RAD" have been accomplished as the authors intended. We have Benjamin Netanyahu’s prints all over the “Clean Break” document as the original sponsor. This clearly implicates Israel, as the prime mover behind the invasion of Iraq by the U.S., with the most to gain from this military operation. Thus, Israel had a vested interest in the success of the Twin Tower attacks, as this would be the catalyst for American involvement in the Israeli plan for Middle East domination or "Securing The Realm". Likkud Jews created PNAC and were placed in Bush’ cabinet to write foreign policy. Agents of Israel in the Bush cabinet wrote in "Clean Break": ["…removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq" was an "important Israeli strategic objective in its own right as a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions… The Israeli designs would only be feasible if the United States provided the muscle and the resources.”]"

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 13:54 | 6518973 Bay Area Guy
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I thought we were supposed to be best buds with the Kurds, or was that a couple of kinetic military actions ago. I get so confused.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:20 | 6519240 Pure Evil
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Its whichever group the MSM turds can garnish the most sympathy from, but without having to concern themselves with the fallout.

Or, to put it in modest terms, whichever gets the sheep to bleat the loudest whether it be polar bears, rising oceans, washed up dead children on tourist beaches, or earthquakes in Haiti.

I'm still wondering where all the money went from the Haitian relief campaign.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 17:08 | 6519761 Dickweed Wang
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I thought we were supposed to be best buds with the Kurds, or was that a couple of kinetic military actions ago. I get so confused.

You have a right to be confused on this issue.  For years (decades??) now the duplicitous bastards in the US military and state department have been trying to maintain a relationship with the Kurds, because they are great warriors and are willing to do the US's dirty work, while not pissing off the Turks who are members of NATO and supposed allies of the USA.  At some point (i.e. when they serve no purpose anymore) expect the Kurds to get thrown under the bus by the US.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 13:57 | 6518982 MSimon
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Population reduction measures so that population matches oil revenues.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:10 | 6519024 Chupacabra-322
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Well, when you have a Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. arming, funding & training terror organizations via Isreal, Saudi Aribia, Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan & Qautar. What do you expect.

And, as for Turkey. Fuck you! You reap what you sew.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:48 | 6519422 KashNCarry
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& don't forget Jordan where the future 'terrorists' have been and are routinely funded & trained by Empire & their lackey's.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:13 | 6519032 Pancho de Villa
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Perhaps it would be less bloody in the long term if the Turks were to negotiate a modest "Homeland" acceded to the Kurds?

 

Not much sympathy here for the Neocon Darling Saudis!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:06 | 6519248 Pure Evil
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Why do that when you can just genocide them like the Armenians and be done with it.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 17:02 | 6519733 Dickweed Wang
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Perhaps it would be less bloody in the long term if the Turks were to negotiate a modest "Homeland" acceded to the Kurds?

It would be a very cold day in Hell before the Turks EVER allowed the creation of Kurdish state on the border of Turkey. That will NEVER happen . . . .

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:21 | 6519040 Manipuflation
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Did any of you catch this one?  I think the guy was very restrained in what he said.  I would not have had that sort of patience.  I am mad as hell right now that this happened to this guy with his ten year old son sitting there.  I do have kegs of powder too. 

+18 Trillion for the comment the guy makes about how much shit would be in the truck if his wife was with.  That is a hall of fame comment.  He has an open case of Pabst and he is not a hipster.  The cop should know right there the guy is from Wisconsin.  For that matter, it is WISconsin and NOT WESconsin.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p29Yvj31uCo

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:18 | 6519050 ridethecurve
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The US policy is such that it accomplishes to piss off every ME country, faction, group, thereby patting itself on the back - our job has been done here.  Next?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:33 | 6519110 asavet1952
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Let em kill each other. Who cares???

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:35 | 6519121 Barnaby
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What should one expect from a nation raised on a children's version of The Book, expecting and awaiting some Seals to be broken?

Turkey is the end. Stir up enough turmoil and the 320 million forgets about Kim Kardashian for a while.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:46 | 6519170 Hannibal
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"As mideast turns into chaos"... Okay then,... mission accomplished.!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:14 | 6519277 Pure Evil
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It's beyond mission accomplished.

Its Mission Accomplished Part Duex!

Since Hollywood is known for its sequels, D.C. doesn't want to be left out.

Now we need a new War On ?? sequel.

We need a War on Migration!

Its for the children washed up on tourist beaches in Turkey.

Can you help us out here Hollande?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:47 | 6519173 Son of Captain Nemo
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Closer to home...

Jade Helm preparing for something!... And just in time for next Friday's 14th Anniversary?...

 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:49 | 6519185 Barnaby
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Jade Helm is and was AI. Half of this site's up-votes are from robots. You'll never know how or why, but Uncle Sam is making you popular.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:15 | 6519280 Pure Evil
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Then who the hell is the Debbie Downticker?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:52 | 6519190 QQQBall
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delete

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 14:52 | 6519192 Jack Burton
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Kurds ambushed a Turkish military convoy and killed 16 troops. The Kurdish Turkey was is back on again with new vigor! Turkey, should it start to slip into chaos, being right on the EU borders, set of a chain reaction of migrantsw not seen since biblical times. Or great folk migrations of the European tribes in the 400-600s.

Turkey is a NATO nation, America needs it to hold the southern flank against an aggressive Russian military. Sarc!  But you know that is what western media will say.

The Middle East,is in the grip of a drought that may simply grow worse, as rain patterns and cycles are negative for rain long term.

What does this all mean. Look at the EU border today! Look at it, and imagine many many more migrants!

There are some of us, a growing number who believe the Washington Neoconservative and Zionist leaders of the USA are playing out a long term global plan to eliminate all possible rivals to US power, even in Europe. By tearing the Middle East apart, the USA has done Israel's work, making Israel the ultimate reginal super power. The collapse eliminates all organized armies from opposing US or Israeli moves. Lastly, the migrant crisis caused by this is going to tear Europe apart. Making the EU less powerful, and less able to govern itself. The EU can thus never grow and rival the USA. In Russia, the USA has played the Ukraine card, and destroyed that nation, hoping to foment war between the EU and Russia. Taking down both powers. Again, leaving the USA alone at the peak of world power, and able to confront China.

No West European leader, absolutely none, has dared to publicly express the idea that the refugees from Iraq, Syria, Libya, the Horn of Africa, Nigeria and Mali are not fleeing dictatorships, but the chaos into which we have deliberately, though unconsciously, plunged their countries.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:00 | 6519221 Barnaby
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The Elephant In The Room

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:46 | 6519412 o r c k
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A reason to pack your trunk ?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:19 | 6519297 Pure Evil
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Stop plagiarizing other peoples writing trying to make it look as if it were your own analysis.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:01 | 6520655 conscious being
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Plagiarizing?? From where? Where's your link to the original? Put up or shut up.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:22 | 6519315 Omen IV
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That is not what the NYTimes says - its all spontaneous discontent - the US Military and CIA bear no responsibility

Hillary the Diplomat: "we came, we saw, He's dead".........no cause and effect ? - but Gaddafi  was asassinated and the country is now in chaos

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:44 | 6519405 KashNCarry
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Agreed with you wholly to the point where you mentioned 'unconsciously.' There is nothing unconscious about what Empire is doing in the Middle East...

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:54 | 6520380 Martian Moon
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Wrong as usual, Now here is what is actually going on

The Kurds have support from Israel, and have had this support for decades.  The rule they had to abide by was to stop all activity in Turkey, this peace was brokered by Israel,  and the Kurds kept their word, until hothead Erdogan started mounting attacks on Kurds via ISIS.  Turkey formerly also being an Israeli ally, Israel is uninterested in destabilizing either Turkey or the Kurds.

I predict downvotes in my future, but as usual no counterarguments from the ZH peanut galery

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:16 | 6520719 conscious being
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Because Ashkanaz are basiclly Mountain Turks, they hold out hopes of affinity with the Kurds, another group of Mountain Turks. The Kurdish homelands were split by Sikes-Picot line drawing into 4 countries, Turkey, Syria, Iraq and a little bit of Iran. The Askanaz encouraged Kurdish terror in Iran via the now disbanded MEK. The remaining Kurds, probably appreciate some of the economic benefits accrued as part of the zino courting, but have good relations with Iran, have brisk border trade with Iran and will not act the golem for Askanazi-Zino attacks on Iran. So Israeli dreams about Kurds dying for them in Iran are pretty much over and the Turks and Kurds who were supposed to be getting along are now going at it. Looks like Zino-policy failure to me.

 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:38 | 6520758 Martian Moon
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Agreed that the Kurds had their territory divided amongst other nations.  Will also agree that Israel did support militia groups operating against Iran. 

But the OPs point was that Israel was out to sow chaos between Turkey and the Kurds, while the exact opposite is actually the truth.

Edit:  It is actually Sephardi (Spanish and Portuguese) Jews that feel an attachment to Turkey for providing safe refuge during the inquisition

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:47 | 6521046 conscious being
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-But the OPs point was that Israel was out to sow chaos between Turkey and the Kurds, while the exact opposite is actually the truth.

My point is times have changed. Get with the now. The dream the Zionists had, that Kurds would help them destabilize Iran is not going to happen. Kurds then made the mistake, from the Zionist viewpoint, of being effective ISIS killers. Next thing you know, the ZATO Erdrogan army is killing Kurds again.

Saladin, the great Muslim anti-Crusade leader was a Kurd.

Re. Sephardic Jews are Arabs, Semites, the minority of Jews who are actually Semetic, some of whom as you say tagged along with the Muslim invasion of Iberia around 700AD and whose decendants wound up in what became Portugal and Spain.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:28 | 6521736 Martian Moon
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I see where you're coming from.  I just disagree.  Israel is still interested in amicable relations with the Turks and the Kurds.  Turkish relations have hit a rough patch with Erdogan being in power, and should resume once he leaves power (a big maybe as he may declare himself dictator for life.)  Erdogan has his own agenda and is solely responsible for reigniting conflict with the Kurds.

Jews and Arabs are both Semetic but distinct subsets.

Via Wiki:

A Semite is a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples, mostly originating in the Near East, including: Akkadians (Assyrians and Babylonians), Ammonites, Amorites, Arameans, Chaldeans, Canaanites (including Hebrews/Israelites/Jews/Palestinians/Samaritans and Phoenicians/Carthaginians), Eblaites, Dilmunites, Edomites, Amalekites, Turukku, Ethiopian Semites, Hyksos, Arabs, Nabateans, Maltese, Mandaeans, Mhallami, Moabites, Shebans, Meluhhans, Maganites, Ubarites, Sabians and Ugarites.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 20:01 | 6524587 conscious being
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Via Wiki? Askanazi Jews are not Semites. They are Khazars, a type of Turk that did a mass conversion to Judism. Sephardic Jews, now a minority of Jews ard Semetic.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 20:43 | 6524712 Martian Moon
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Ashkenazi Jews are Jewish, just heavily mixed with European blood, this is confirmed by genetic tests.  Amazing fact is that Ashkenazi Jews are closer relatives to Palestinians than any other group, including any other Jewish or Arabic subgroup.

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/news/2011/09/jews-palestinians-have-...

Khazars did convert to Judaism but they seem to have faded out.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 15:53 | 6519447 earleflorida
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so, are there american advisors in yemen... or has saudi's king salman visit bought the whole of the Xe Corp.?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academi

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 16:11 | 6519507 Johnny Moscow
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So.....we're selling our "allies" the Kurds down the river so as to be able to overthrow Assad and please our Turkish "allies" by letting them wipe out the PKK. But meanwhile, the Kurds are as an effective fighting force against ISIS as any, and are making gains, which means we should be supporting them. But instead we allow an Islamic government in Turkey to repress it's own people and remove a big thorn in the side of ISIS. And we're helping push millions of migrants out of Syria due to all the chaos we're spreading in the region.

I got that right?

Geez, maybe we really would be better off not intervening over there and tellng our Israli and Saudi "allies" to just eff the hell off....

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 16:56 | 6519698 22winmag
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Insert "again" after "river".

 

Daddy Bush left the Kurds to die after calling on them to rebel against Saddam.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 16:40 | 6519629 22winmag
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You had better snap up that inexpensive, high quality, Turk-made MKE ammo at WalMart before it gets shut off.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 16:50 | 6519676 sheikurbootie
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Muslim lives matter...just kiddding. 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 16:55 | 6519677 earleflorida
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the `definitive acronym-ology' regarding all wars in the 20th c., 21st c., and...tethering? OIL ! 

'Omnipotent Iternecine Labyrith' 

 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 18:30 | 6520081 roadhazard
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OH NOES, NOT, TROUBLE IN THE MID EAST. OIL PRICES TO THE MOON ! heh

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:31 | 6520784 Road Hazard
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We talking about the same country whose leaders were caught on tape planning a false flag?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/leaked-audio-recording-turkey-plans-false-f...

I still have no idea why the citizens of Turkey haven't overthrown their corrupt government. I think if the US had obummer and hitlery on tape planning a false flag, the joo controlled media would have no choice but to run them out of town. Not because they are corrupt but because they were stupid enough to get caught. To anyone from Turkey reading this comment, did anything become of the false flag stuff by your officials or is your country full of dumb sheep like the USA's population?

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