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Trump Surges Past "Almost Apologetic" Hillary As Presidential Front-Runner, Latest Poll Shows

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Despite the liberal media spinning Hillary's non-apology as bringing her closer to the American public, it appears her presidential campaign took another shot to the chest this weekend. Not only does Bernie Sanders keep rising in the polls, Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump leads Hillary Clinton head-to-head, garnering 45% support versus 40% of his Democratic rival, according to a new national poll.

 

As Press TV reports, while the popularity of Trump campaign increased through the summer, Clinton could not improve her image among likely voters over her lack of transparency and trustworthiness as former secretary of state.

According to a CNN/ORC sampling of national voters conducted in late June, just days after Trump entered the competition, 59 percent backed Clinton as opposed to 34 percent who supported Trump in a head-to-head matchup.

In July, the same polling organization put Clinton at 57 percent to Trump at 38 percent with another one in August showing Clinton with 52 percent support and Trump with 43 percent.

The Survey USA poll shows that Trump has also beaten Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) by 44 percent to 40 percent; Vice President Joe Biden by 44 percent to 42 percent; and former Vice President Al Gore by 44 percent to 41 percent.

And now, as The new poll, conducted by Survey USA, marks a significant turnaround in the polls.

Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump leads Hillary Clinton head-to-head, garnering 45 percent support versus 40 percent of his Democratic rival.

 

This comes as another survey revealed Thursday showed Trump has hit a new high in the race to the Republican presidential nomination. According to the survey by Monmouth University, the businessman now enjoys a 30 percent support nationally.

As Doyle McManus writes in The LA Times,

I talked with Republican wise men last week — sober establishment strategists who have seen many presidential campaigns come and go — to ask them how long the improbable popularity of Donald Trump can last. Reassure me, I said: He can't actually win, right?

 

Their answers surprised me.

 

"It's not inconceivable," Vin Weber, a former congressman (and Jeb Bush supporter) told me. "It doesn't look as if he's going to implode any time soon…. It's hard for me to say this, but he actually seems to be getting better as a candidate."

 

"Trump has put himself on the short list of five or six names who could win the nomination," said another GOP operative who insisted on anonymity because he's working for one of those other candidates. "It's not impossible that he could win."

 

Until a few weeks ago, the conventional wisdom held that Trump was merely a summer fling for angry voters, a protest candidate whose insults and braggadocio would soon impose a ceiling on his support. But recent polls suggest that Trump has raised that ceiling.

 

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On balance, a Trump victory still appears unlikely; his conservative credentials are too weak, his political experience too thin. "I'm hearing people talk about him as if he were the inevitable nominee," Weber said. "We aren't there yet."

 

But Republican Party's grandees are glumly acknowledging that America's love affair with Trump is more than a summer romance — maybe a lot more.

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Mon, 09/07/2015 - 18:47 | 6520134 keremetski
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When it too serious, bring a clown.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 18:52 | 6520145 MarketAnarchist
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Its funny that even though he is a clown, he is still the most economically literate of all the candidates.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:00 | 6520175 Headbanger
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Ditch the bitch already.

Sheeesh.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:11 | 6520218 TSA Thug
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Is that all this country can muster? These two asswipes?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:16 | 6520246 Headbanger
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Oh no..

There's plenty more to come.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:26 | 6520283 TeamDepends
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Yup, we're going to have to pry Barry out with a putsch-bar.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:43 | 6520339 Publicus
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>Trump announces his run

>"He won't be taken seriously"

 

>Trump 10%

>"He's not a serious candidate"

 

>Trump 20%

>"People are supporting him as a joke"

 

>Trump 25%

>"He's just a sh-shill for Hillary r-right guys?"

 

>Trump 30%

>"It's just a fad"

 

>Trump 40%

>"His numbers will begin falling within the month"

 

>Trump 60%

>"He can't hold on until the election"

 

>Trump Republican nomination

>"He has no chance vs Hilary"

 

>Trump president of the USA

>"He will be impeached soon"

 

>Trump god emperor of mankind

>"It's a fad"

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:18 | 6520465 Richard Chesler
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Slow, painfull death to cankles.

You know you deserve it, you worthless lying, thieving cunt.

FUCK YOU AND YOUR CORRUPT ILK.

 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:41 | 6520564 SofaPapa
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We need a laugh track on all election-related programming.  This might help people realize that there is zero difference between our 'self-government' and the Kardashians.  What we are being shown is meaningless.  The real power structure loves the distraction it provides for people who might otherwise have space to think about the genuine cultural suicide we live through each day now.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:47 | 6520853 MalteseFalcon
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Polls mean nothing. Primaries mean nothing.  The big donors will decide.

The Republican nominee for 2016 has already been selected and it is Jeb!

He'll run against some Democrat.  Exactly who is irrelevant.

All hail President Jeb!

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 02:10 | 6521445 Fish Gone Bad
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Trump is going after the low hanging fruit... picking on the economic refugees who have taken American jobs.  He appears to be the ONLY politician willing to make this political stand other than the governors of states that border Mexico.  Everybody in the states can relate to that, even Hawai'i ran ads saying they were going to find the illegal aliens and deport them!! 

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 04:56 | 6521577 fleur de lis
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Hawaii wasted more tax money printing those ads because they're not deporting anybody. That state is socialist to the last palm tree.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:10 | 6521692 August
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You know, deep down, Bill has got to think this is pretty funny.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:09 | 6520426 38BWD22
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Trump was the only one (R-Team) to have the stones to raise the illegal immigration issue.  Even if he does not win, he should be given credit for that.

Trump would be a real wild card as president, who knows what fun we would have...

Hillary is toast if what I am hearings about "hard disc forensics" and the FBI criminal probe are true, either of which destroy her chance to win.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:51 | 6520601 SofaPapa
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"Trump would be a real wild card as president, who knows what fun we would have..."

I respectfully disagree.  Trump is getting an incredible amount of media exposure.  Given that who gets that media coverage is the only sign visible to those of us outside of the power structure as to the "prior selection process", it seems evident to me that Trump's likely actions as president are acceptable to those who run the show.  In other words, if he is permitted to be part of the race and to define it, then he is considered unlikely to rock the boat in genuine meaningful ways if given the office.  Given that the only ways to fix what is now severely broken would most definitely rock the boat for everyone, I don't believe anyone who is being trumpeted as an "alternative" by the MSM.

Long story short, the MSM are the gatekeepers for "acceptable" candidates.  If the candidate is acceptable to them, s/he will change nothing fundamental.  Without fundamental change, we continue to fly apart in increasingly chaotic rotations.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:10 | 6520682 willwork4food
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I agree. If the creatures from Jekyll Island didn't like him, or believed they had a real "problem" on their hands rest assured he would be receiving summons for tax evassion or rackateering or obstruction of justice or dead. The octopus doesn't have many manors.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 23:34 | 6521208 2handband
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Jesus, this is so obvious. ZH readers should not be falling for this. 

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:20 | 6521717 August
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A positive regarding Mr. Trump is that he at least has more people acknowledging that the Republican Party is part of the problem, and not part of the solution. 

Even at National Review, multiple posters have commented in support of Trump, and expressed hope that the Republican Party itself will go out of business, permanently (an idea I personally find heart-warming).  As my grandmother used to say, "well begun is half done!'

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 23:43 | 6521229 buyingsterling
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On the other hand, Trump has already sent a signal, possibly, by saying he may never leave the white house.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:29 | 6520520 tarabel
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Just throw a new putter out on the lawn and slam the door behind him when he goes out to fetch it.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 23:02 | 6521141 Uncle Sugar
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+100

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:28 | 6520291 Occident Mortal
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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

 

-Ghandi

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:28 | 6521735 August
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Great sentiment!  

Of course, Ghandi was talking about conflict with "the West".  From unstoppable scourge of the planet to impotent dweebs in two generations. Pretty funny, when you think about it.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:10 | 6520942 A Nanny Moose
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this is the best we can do, for now. It can always get worse.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:17 | 6520249 Divine Wind
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Funny, I do not see your hat in the ring, faggot fuck.

As a TSA Thug, you are probably far far too busy feeling up little boys.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:54 | 6520374 BlackMagician
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VS...MerHELL

VS...HELLande

VS...barry soetoro

VS...cAmArOOn

VS... BRING IT!!!!

 

This entire world is lead by psycopathic asswipes...Don't get me started on Russkies...Africa...Middle East...etc. So yeah buddy we are gravitating to the one that "appears" to not be a fracking liar...That is all...

 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:53 | 6520613 Otrader
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It will be be some asswipe that will suck zio dick for 4 possibly 8 years.  Unless aipac approves, they'll never be elected. 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:01 | 6520183 DaddyO
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So, are we going to sell the rest of our liberties for jobs and a sound economy?

Just Curious...

DaddyO

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:04 | 6520193 WestVillageIdiot
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With Hillary and Sanders you are 100% sure not to get the jobs or sound economy.  Plus, they will keep feeding the government bubble, aim to keep destroying your neighborhoods, and take whatever liberties you might have.  They know they can't take the 1st amendment away without first taking away the 2nd.  With Trump you'll get a president that is fought every step of the way by the press and the Religious Left.  That might actually limit his powers, unlike the current guy who is in office. 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:13 | 6520231 Winston Churchill
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They fought every step at the Alamo as well, as a delaying action.

There is no cavalry that would even want to come to the rescue at this point..

Fucked we are.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:19 | 6520258 nmewn
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What is all this defeatism?

Were we defeated when the Japs bombed the Alamo? Hell no! This calls for an incredibly futile act doomed to failure on someones part and we're just the ones to do it! ;-)

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:46 | 6520352 negative rates
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We were defeated, nobody thought the japs could fly all the way to Texas, and they did proving us utterly wrong, and we've  been wrong a lot more since then.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:54 | 6520378 TeamDepends
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We've gotta take these bastards....

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:38 | 6521758 August
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>>>There is no cavalry that would even want to come to the rescue at this point...

When the USA goes down, most of the planet will cheer.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:14 | 6520233 TSA Thug
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I wish Kyle Bass would run.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:19 | 6520257 Divine Wind
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Kyle is too busy trying to figure out what to do with half of America's supply of nickles.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:04 | 6520662 Ballin D
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I would register to vote just to waste a vote on him.

 

Can you imagine idiot Americans (and non-Americans) though? "Hes one of those evil hedge fund guys! Hes why 'the economy' sucks"

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:56 | 6520317 palmereldritch
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Once they bleed Hillary out enough with Emailgate to have Sanders emerge as the definitive leader they will insert Elizabeth Warren as Sanders’ VP running mate long before the convention to port over the female and Blue Dog Dem Progressives to finish Clinton off.

After that it will be the existential choice of the 21st Century populist version of Calvin Coolidge 1(Donald Trump) vs. a Bigger Government is Better Woodrow Wilson 2 (Bernie Sanders)

All that will be missing will be the cure for the pending New Depression

I’m thinking the solution will be a Global Central Bank modeled on the current Federal Reserve probably following or preceding a significant war.  ‘Cause if the old playbook is proven, why wouldn’t they roll with it?

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge?
As a Coolidge biographer put it, "He embodied the spirit and hopes of the middle class, could interpret their longings and express their opinions. That he did represent the genius of the average is the most convincing proof of his strength.
2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson?
The Federal Reserve Act passed in December 1913.[134]
Wilson named Paul Warburg and other prominent bankers to direct the new system. While power was supposed to be decentralized, the New York branch dominated the Fed as the "first among equals".[135] The new system began operations in 1915 and played a major role in financing the Allied and American war effort.[136] The strengthening of the Federal Reserve was later a major accomplishment of the New Deal.

EDIT: Or at least as history rhyming would suggest

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:13 | 6520453 38BWD22
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Trump vs. Sanders would be about the most funnestTM election ever!  More fun than a barrel of monkeys.

Either would have lots of problems dealing with CONgress.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:46 | 6520579 NotApplicable
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Makes you understand how Hitler got into office...

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:28 | 6520771 38BWD22
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Yikes...............  

Hitler was elected...

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 11:13 | 6522513 Kobe Beef
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Who's afraid of Adolf Hitler?

https://chechar.wordpress.com/undemonize-hitler/

Read it. I dare you.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:25 | 6520497 New_Meat
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1. Amity Schlaes is one hell of a writer, regardless subject.

2. Annnnnnnnnd there you go: "The strengthening of the Federal Reserve was later a major accomplishment of the New Deal."

- Ned

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:20 | 6520264 Full Nelson
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Even though he hasn't once mentioned shrinking the gov't nor the Fed, IRS, nor sound money...

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:27 | 6520289 Josey Montana
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Why?  Why do you call him a clown?  I hold advanced degrees in business and I do  not consider him a clown.

¡Yeb!?  ¡Yeb! really is a clown and married to the Dog Faced Girl. 

Trump is one of the most successful men on the planet yet zeros here, and everywhere, dare judge his success and find him a failure.

Amazing.  Simply amazing. 

Trump, at any other time in history, would be a king.  And a good king at that.

 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:05 | 6520415 o r c k
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by divine right ?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:28 | 6520513 New_Meat
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guss we haven't seen any elected.  Some initially by right of the Combat (which this surely is).

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 00:34 | 6521303 Clowns on Acid
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benevolent dictatorship

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 23:57 | 6521253 Charming Anarchist
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Have you seen his show??  I just recently watched a few episodes of The Apprentice for the 1st time in my life. 

I never realized how much of an utter clown (and bad actor, to boot) Trump was before that. 

He invited Joan Rivers as a consultant. Seriously??

Some day, some one has to stand up from his boardroom table and tell the fucktard:  "Shut the fuck up, Donald because I quit!"

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 01:19 | 6521382 roddy6667
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Trump is no business whiz. If he just took the money his father left him and put it in a mutual fund, he would have a lot more money. He is good at mismanaging money and going bankrupt.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 11:41 | 6522610 roddy6667
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Why the downvotes? It's just the facts.
Maybe the facts are too much for some people.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 05:55 | 6521610 JimS
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Call Trump a "clown", whatever. A clown seen at midnight is not a welcome sight. We are at midnight right now, whatever the fucking "Stawk" market says. Fuck it, hire the "clown". We (as a nation) deserve him because of the total "Red vs. Blue" pill shit and how economically ignorant we are as a nation. He surely can't do any worse than the last 40 years of useless Presidential fucks that our nation has had.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:11 | 6520445 brucekeller
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Well at least that MI6 guy getting merked for stealing a Clinton guest list a few years ago didn't seem to get into much US and potentially affect Hillary's chances.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 18:49 | 6520137 brewing
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Clown Country...

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 18:52 | 6520146 buzzsaw99
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it just doesn't matter

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 18:53 | 6520150 Normalcy Bias
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A Soros-owned company still counts the votes, right?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:17 | 6520250 Full Nelson
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American goldfish long-term memory.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:49 | 6520360 Sparkey
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"A Soros-owned company still counts the votes, right?"

God I hope so that is the only chance we may have!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 18:53 | 6520153 Hugh G. Rection
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He keeps defying the critics and pundits. He will play this game better than all the rest, and win the election.

I got a haircut Friday, I asked the stylist if she could do a Trump!

I was joking, I have a great head of hair, but it was fun to ask :)

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:20 | 6520262 Divine Wind
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ROFL. Too funny !

You made my night. Thanks for that!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 18:55 | 6520156 Smegley Wanxalot
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Conservative or not or whatever.
Trump seriously is not as fucked up as everyone else running - on either side. 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:12 | 6520219 Sparkey
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"Almost apologetic" Hillary, or Almost 'Apoplectic' Hillary?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:42 | 6520336 kaiserhoff
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Both and busy playing two can chew;)

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 23:38 | 6521218 2handband
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Bullshit. This is theater.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 18:57 | 6520160 NoWayJose
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Trump's conservative credentials are too weak? Name any Republican president or nominee with stronger conservative credentials - after Reagan,

And to channel Reagan, Trump is the only one since that defends America.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:23 | 6520269 greatbeard
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>> after Reagan,

You mean the Reagan of exploding deficits?  That Reagan?  Conservative idol that he is.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:32 | 6520306 nmewn
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Yeah, good thing we had that fiscally responsible progressive dimocrat House & Senate holding him back or it could have really gotten out of control!!!...lol. 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:25 | 6520496 tarabel
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Reagan knew how to prioritize. The country is great and strong but nevertheless still has limits to what it can do at any one time.

He picked the most important problem (i.e. a rampant CCCP) and got it off the table.

Beating a nuclear power without needing to push the button ranks as one of the most gigantic accomplishments in history. No money, borrowed or otherwise, was ever more wisely spent.

That his midget successors couldn't keep their fingers out of the cookie jar is not his problem.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:53 | 6520611 Bazza McKenzie
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It shows how mentally challenged or dishonest are Reagan's detractors that they consistently ignore this fundamental point.  No one criticizes Roosevelt and Truman for running up massive debt to fund WWII.  Yet Reagan achieved a more impressive result with virtually no blood letting and the debt incurred to achieve it is criticized.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:40 | 6520558 Otrader
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"Deficits don't matter."

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 18:58 | 6520164 Labyrinth
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He might win for one reason. Americans like reality TV.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:18 | 6520255 Crocodile
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If he won it would be because he was selected. 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:57 | 6520890 willwork4food
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Spot on.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:20 | 6520261 Sparkey
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WE do love our 'Reality' TV shows, and the Trumph show is the best thing on TV right now, the others try to capture attention but they just don't have that certain something 'The Donald' has, because he isn't them is the reason for his popularity  I think! What about you,,,why do you like The Donald do you think his show warrents the Presidency? Or should someone from the old teams get it!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:39 | 6520325 Labyrinth
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Didn't say I like him, didn't say I don't like him. I know it's wishy washy but I'm jaded by politics. I do think he is the only republican that can win. This says less about him and more about America.

What I do like about him is he represents the REPUBLIC concept of a representative. A lot of people don't know his stance on things and don't care. They just want him to represent them and believe he will make choices that he feels are best and not be beholden to lobbyists.

Ultimately the central banks and regulators matter more to my day to day life than the president.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 18:59 | 6520168 nmewn
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The invincible inevitable crony, the presumptive, the likely, the possible, the floundering, the gagging, the scorned, the villified, the possibly indicted?...lol.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:00 | 6520171 lester1
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Trump is doing so well in the polls because he wants to bring our jobs back from overseas, end NAFTA and kick out the illegal immigrants. Vast majority of Americans want these things to happen.

 

Trump 2016 !!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:02 | 6520188 2handband
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And you believe him? Jesus Christ.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:23 | 6520270 TSA Thug
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Trump said that he's going to give each American a robot that knows how to work. He said that the robots would hand their checks over to each American worker on payday once they return home.

Trump said Americans won't have to do any work anymore beside upgrading the worker robots firmware with a simple download.

I'm voting Trump because that will be awesome. I don't have to see Ms. Latonya (supervisor)anymore.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:44 | 6520344 Money Boo Boo
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HOPEY CHANGEY 2016!! _ Trump style and YOU asshats fall for it everytime!!! LOFTAOOL

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:10 | 6520216 nmewn
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He actually said he wants to renig on NAFTA?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:36 | 6520272 Winston Churchill
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You don't see the paralells with the British Empire ?

They lost their markets and industrial base because of two world wars.

The US gave them away because of shortsighted greed.

Either way, they don't come back.

Exit historys stage to the  left, without burning down the theater on the way out.

I doubt it though.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:40 | 6520468 38BWD22
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History also shows that previously unimaginable things like destruction and depopulation of Rome can and do happen more frequently than we might believe.  Yes, it can happen here.

And it looks to be happening sooner and faster in Europe.  ISIS already has claimed to send some of their guys to Europe with the recent invasion (wave of Syrian migrants).

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:23 | 6520485 agent default
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At least Britain had the sense to acknowledge that the empire days were over and withdrew relatively peacefully.  The US will burn down the theater rather than exiting the stage.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:08 | 6520429 o r c k
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That sounds like "change that matters".

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:16 | 6520464 Hongcha
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If he kills the ACA along with that, I will certainly vote for him.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 00:16 | 6525434 roddy6667
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It's too late back the jobs. American made products are too expensive for Americans. Who would buy them?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:03 | 6520186 hungrydweller
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"Trumps Trumpiness" is an ad hominem attack.  Not that I am a Trump supporter but this cartoon is too cartoonish; mental midgetish.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:03 | 6520190 q99x2
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Dear ZH,

Nobody cares about who the occupying banksters are choosing for their government over the United States of America.

Concerned Citizen of Q99X2,

Q99X2

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:06 | 6520198 Manipuflation
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Me of all people shouldn't like Trump but I am liking him just for being an asshole.  I don't know.  I know he won't save us.  I would love to save you but I can't.  No one can.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:14 | 6520232 nmewn
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Well he is an asshole and not a politician but so are we...lol. So there's a little more than meets the eye going on here as to why him and why now.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:17 | 6520247 Crocodile
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Thumbs up; Ben Carson is the only person we have seen in or lifetime that is filled with integrity; most people will need to look up what that means and have never applied that to their life because they have no ability to.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:26 | 6520282 nmewn
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Yeah, politics is a funny thing.

If I could take the integrity & compassion of Carson, the Libertarian principles of Rand, the Constitutional knowledge of Cruz, the political savvy of Walker and the in-your-face-badass-take-no-prisoners-attitude of Trump I'd have my guy.

But it just doesn't work that way ;-)

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:06 | 6520673 Manipuflation
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nmewn, You have been around a while.  Do you really think we could beat them?  I can't see how we could but maybe I am missing something.  There is no one in the world who wants it more than I do.  I want to fix everything and I would love to have a whole buch ZHers behind me.  I have fiats but that is not the point.  I do not want be part of the problem.  I have given some thought to the matter.  I do not want to play their game.  Tyranny only needs good peop to do nothing it has been said.  Actually, I did do some things.

We can't save this mess.  I would be one huge liar if I said we could.  You know that is the truth.  All ZHers need to know is that everything I have ever said on this site is the truth.  I have no reason to lie.  I earned it.  There are many other ZHer's who are the same.  I may not win but it is not about me.  At least ZHers can reload here.  Please underestimate us. 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:05 | 6520923 willwork4food
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Catherine Fitts said we need to begin sustainable local communities without the bankers USD's. That could be done with a credit barter program if..and a resounding if there is enough participation. It can be done and it will be done when the shit hits the fan, everyone is without credit and in a cashless society.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:00 | 6521663 nmewn
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The only way to "beat them" is to change ourselves from within, in other words, stop asking them for stuff.

On the whole I doubt very seriously that I'm going to convince many that anarchy (that is to say, zero government) is the way to go just because so many depend on government now they wouldn't know what to do with themselves without it and in the modern era there is some useful functions to it, it having stretched it's tentacles into every facet of our lives. 

So I am reduced to just asking everyone for a little compromise, realizing everyone else can't be like me, all I ask is that everyone just stop asking it to do things for them (besides repealing what has already been done to them) in that way you begin stripping away it's (and their) power.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:21 | 6520990 Policraticus
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Well there is the Attorney General, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense and Secretary of the Treasure among others.  Perhaps, there is a better bench then previously thought of.  Let’s think outside of the sphere.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:50 | 6520594 skipjack
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You mean the Carson that wants to make vaccinations mandatory ? Or the Carson who doesn't defend the 2nd Amendment ? Also the person who thinks more ethanol should be put in our gas tanks to hose your engine ? That Carson ? Or the one who wants to increase the federal minimum wage ? Make health insurance companies into public utilities ? Give all illegals path to citizenship ?

 

No thanks.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 06:43 | 6521642 Gavrikon
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Surgeon General sounds right.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:07 | 6520201 coast
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I will not support trump or anyone else in this circus, but I will say: I understand Trumps popularity, but seeing hillary has 40% approval makes me know that 40% of this country has massive brain damage.  I bet if she filmed herself killing and torturing puppies and babies, drinking blood,  shooting elders, shooting up heroin, revealing she is a man and showing her penis, admits to all the murders, admits to benghazi etc, she would still have 40% approval rating....dear jesus.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:15 | 6520238 Crocodile
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That is what Charles Darwin did most of his life and many believe in macro-evolution and many of those actually believe it is based on science. Same with global warming repackaged as climate change.  People never bother to look deeper into an issue than a Cartoon Network News (CNN) sound bite.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:35 | 6520541 New_Meat
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coast:

"I bet if she ... she would still have 40% approval rating"

It is that pesky D stuck on her ass, follows her around where she goes all the time.

- Ned

 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:07 | 6520202 Able Ape
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HOLY SHIT!!! Americans STILL believe elections count and voting matters?...They're stuck in the TWILIGHT ZONE for they bitch, moan and complain and STILL reelect 95% of the incumbents! To say it's insanity is somewhat of an understatement!.... 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:13 | 6520227 Crocodile
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Dog and pony show; Congress is used only to give the illusion of a US Constitution.  Sad but true for many years; since about 1871.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:45 | 6520348 foxmuldar
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So how does Trump fit in your analogy? He's never held any political office. 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:10 | 6520217 razorthin
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Because Il Douche is better than a Socialist or Communist.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:12 | 6520223 f16hoser
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Whether you/we think Trump is a Serious Contender or not; we can all agree that this Bush/Clinton Dynasty MUST END!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:13 | 6520228 f16hoser
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On a personal note; these Bush/Clinton NWO Criminals all belong on the end of rope!

 

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 06:45 | 6521645 Gavrikon
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Let 'em dangle!

Let em' dangle!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:14 | 6520234 will ling
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it's gonna boil down to cruz, rubio and trump w/trump (ahead) willingly handing off to cruz vs.biden. bush is a wet old rag nobody wants and hildebeast is goin' to slammer.

cruz will crush biden.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:18 | 6520254 BernankeHasHemo...
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Cruz is not eligible to be president despite what his brain dead cheerleaders think. In fact we should deport his ass back to Canada.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:42 | 6520337 foxmuldar
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Rubio is toast. He supports Anchor babies. 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:49 | 6520362 GeorgeHayduke
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Ted Cruz as a viable candidate for president? LMFAO!!!! Maybe in an insane asylum!

But then, 'Murca has become an asylum anymore. What the hell, Cruz as prez is just what we need to drive this bitch off the cliff at full speed! This crap heap of a country based on bullshit is beyond redemption or repair. Might as well let one of the true idiotic ideologues behind the wheel to FUBAR it completely.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:15 | 6520239 GeorgeHayduke
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"Despite the liberal media spinning..."

No need to read any further. Any idiot who still believes the media is 'liberal' and uses the term 'liberal media' as a reference to the mainstream media has no mental capability for a realistic analysis of anything deeper than a student council election or High School popularity contest.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:26 | 6520284 greatbeard
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Don't confuse these folks with reality.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:35 | 6520314 nmewn
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True, they're progressive-crony-statists, not Liberals.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:54 | 6520379 GeorgeHayduke
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More like purveyors of propaganda for maintaining the status quo of the oligarchs. Conservatives get caught up in their limited perceptions so everything that doesn't function as they do is called liberal...or progressive. They have no ability whatsoever to see any part of the gray spectrum. Triple digit IQs have to take this into account when considering a conservative's analysis, if they don't just write it off as flawed from the start.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:27 | 6520508 nmewn
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I'm gonna have to take this in pieces to "prove" to a progressive I can actually see the "gray spectrum"?...lol...ok George, sure.

"More like purveyors of propaganda for maintaining the status quo of the oligarchs."

Yes but do try to point out the leftwing oligarchs anytime you want instead of turning a blind eye, like naming names, like Soros, Nathaniel Simons, Rockefeller, Gates...knock your gray matter out with it, if you can.

"Conservatives get caught up in their limited perceptions so everything that doesn't function as they do is called liberal...or progressive."

Point of order, a Liberal is NOT a progressive. A progressive is a statist-socialist posing as a democrat. I can't think of one classical Liberal who ever promoted the idea of using THE STATE to impose his or her views on another, perhaps you could put your abundant gray matter up to the task and name one for me.

"They have no ability whatsoever to see any part of the gray spectrum."

Obviously not...lol.

"Triple digit IQs have to take this into account when considering a conservative's analysis, if they don't just write it off as flawed from the start."

So now you will write me off as flawed?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:00 | 6520583 GeorgeHayduke
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Right. So we see all that positive and supportive media coverage about unions and low wage people trying to better their conditions. And all of their sitcoms and other crap programming is about leftist issues instead of about mediocre wage slaves who don't rock the boat.

We can also count on the liberal media to tell us the truth about some crappy thing their corporate sponsor did too? Right? Just because the mainstream media isn't as conservative as the conservatives here, it doesn't mean it's liberal or even progressive. they usually tow the water for whoever is paying them. If that's the "liberals" so many here hate so much, what does that say about the Capitalist system they so blindly believe in? Oh wait, I know...it's not REAL Capitalism...it's some fake shit...yeah, that's it.

I will give you credit nmewn, but you are the exception to countless buffoons here. But you also know I just show up to stir the pot here...it's just so easy and fun sometimes. Also, I don't know that I'm a progressive as the usual lot of conservative would label them here. I own guns, gold, silver, hate Hillary, think the official 911 story is BS, think Peak Oil is real, find the idea of a sky god absurd, am certain we have reached Peak Complexity as far as the government is concerned and other TBTF organizations, have an MA yet work in the blue collar sector.  Label me as needed to make sense of it all.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:23 | 6520747 nmewn
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"Just because the mainstream media isn't as conservative as the conservatives here, it doesn't mean it's liberal or even progressive."

Au contrarie mon ami, it's always been straight down the line statist-progressive that goes into apoplectic fits because one person or group or network "goes off the reservation" and counters the Deep State Party line.

lol...well, I don't know that I'm as conservative as the usual lot of conservative would label them here. I do own many guns, have lost all my gold & silver in boating accidents, hate Hillary with a purple passion, think the official 911 story is BS, think the notion of Peak Oil is contrived at best, criminal at worst, find my Christian God non-threatening to me, however am certain we have reached Peak Stupidity as far as the government is concerned and other TBTF organizations and have no MA, yet work in the white collar sector trying to sort through the reams of absolute BS coming from top & bottom.

So, label me however you want ;-)

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:57 | 6520805 GeorgeHayduke
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Don't try to blow smoke up my ass. Conservatives always have been a huge statist, law and order lot in their own right. Just as long as the state's kicking someone else's ass, they are quite fine with it. They love those wars too! Wave a flag and salute! Shall we continue with the stereotypes?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:57 | 6520892 New_Meat
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"Wave a falg and salute!"

I can get away with waving a falg here in the Commonwealth.  Prolly not in some other venues, tho.

- Ned

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:29 | 6521019 GeorgeHayduke
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Yeah I know. you guys never make typos. I aspire to your perfection...well not really, but what the hell.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:43 | 6521069 New_Meat
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Just a quirk, when the typo changes the obvious intended meaning ;-)

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:55 | 6521115 Policraticus
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Perhaps you should take up reading.  Then I might suggest you read about how to comprehend what you read.  Finally, you should look at who wrote the books you are reading.  You then might be able to make better arguments.  I know it requires more energy than posting your comments, but I truly think you may benefit from the activity

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 23:39 | 6521224 Rhythmic Slapper
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You liberals need to just take it up the ass, and leave the rest of civilized society alone.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:00 | 6520649 New_Meat
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zzz GeorgeHayduke, please come in and face the camera and microphone.  Yes wiz know this is yrr first time, but a critique of yrr comment and the response from that asshole Cracka' gives uhz ample opportunity to guide yrr in  preparation for yrr first self-criticism session that yrr will present on Thursday.  From yrr statement:

  • Purveyors of propaganda--the alliteration is cute and immediately makes yrr vulnerable
  • Status Quo--yrn objective is to increase the imbalance in favour of the current status quo. Yrr to develop a plan to terminate Hank Paulson.
  • Talking down to an audience yrr wish to persuade--is this wise?
  • Gray Spectrum--while it is wise to understand that conservatives lack nuance and spinelessness in discussion, yrr inclusion of the term "Gray" immediately launches 82 +/- 3.2% of the intended audience into uncontrollable bouts of sexual and BDSM fantasy.  This is an immediate loser and may cost yrr valuable standing.
  • Yrr almost get it there, but the "triple digit IQ" comment is also condescending to an audience wiz wish to convert to yrn point of view.  This obviously does not mean convert to yrn thinking, just to gain acceptance.

Summary: obvious bleeding through of yrr ego after initial preparation and more than five years among the Population have left yrr unprepared to handle a simple cracka' asshole.  Yrr were taken apart like a chicken.

Action: Zzz GeorgeHaduke--Present yrr complete self-criticism on Thursday at the appointed time.

Fail Yrr at Yrr Peril!

/s/

The Committee

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:01 | 6520906 GeorgeHayduke
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Zzz New-Meat: you mistakenly thought I meant to persuade anyone? Just pointing out the obvious and raising the blood pressure of the zeroes. Why would I show up here to persuade anyone of anything?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:45 | 6521078 New_Meat
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you state my point: it is all bullshit and the cracka' (slippery devil  he is) did in fact blow up whatever incoherent blah blah you were typing.

Why waste your time?

- Ned

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 07:03 | 6521673 nmewn
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Slippery devil...hey, I kinda like that! ;-)

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:25 | 6520499 agent default
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You could have just called them neo-Marxists.  Most of them secretly identify with the tag anyway.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:30 | 6520523 calltoaccount
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unfortunately, the level of mental capacity of ZH commenters is, like USA itself, in marked decline.  that so many appear to revere an outright lifelong charlatan like trump (who will sell out in a second when the check is in hand), presages dark days ahead. 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:06 | 6520677 New_Meat
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call2:

marked decline?  I'm enjoying tracking the kids coming in and their comments.  Guessin' 'twere ever so.

Maybe not "revere" Trump, but certainly enjoy his shit-show, 'bout time 'dat.

"... presages dark days ahead."

Just another chicken entrail sticking out widdershins.

- Ned

{OK, I too am here for the doom Pr0n}

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 22:41 | 6521008 GeorgeHayduke
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You are correct in many ways calltoaccount.

This whole running for president thing is just one more business scam for Trump. He knows the Rethug leadership hates him. But he figures he'll run on this whole smart-ass platform and pull in enough support to force the Rethugs to buy him out for serious cash and a TeeVee show on their Faux news propaganda channel. Then the Rethugs can run their preferred clown, possibly with trump's support...but it'll cost them.

I could be wrong, but the last thing trump wants is any position where there's any real accountability for blowing off his mouth with his incredibly huge ego. Not that the Prez has any accountability any more, but the corporate whore press will be up his ass constantly and that may be to much for an insatiable attention whore like Trump. Just my take on what's going down in this endless shit show.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:15 | 6520240 Full Nelson
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So a guy who buys politicians is leading in running for President.  Is that a private equity manager that just fell out of his pocket?

 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:10 | 6520698 agent default
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Well if he is the guy doing the buying, at least he will not be as cheap to buy as the rest of them.  Has to count in his favor.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:22 | 6520267 BernankeHasHemo...
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I hope he wins and then tries to put his plan into action. Alabama already tried his anti-Latino agenda and it sent their economy into such a decline they had to rescind it. When the US farm economy implodes and you can't buy food because no American will do farm work any more, we will see the chickens come home to roost. There won't be any chicken or beef or pork either because most meat processing is done by Latinos. I want to see you white assholes starve to death! Damn this is gonna be fun!

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:26 | 6520285 Full Nelson
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Alabama, you're fired.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:32 | 6520305 Josey Montana
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So you're a slave around here boy?  Lick my boots clean.  Git on wid it.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:36 | 6520312 foxmuldar
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Here in Pennsylvania we have lots of farmland and I don't see any illegals picking corn or other crops. I do see a lot of them shopping at Wallmart and none of them bother to speak english. Why bother when they can dial 2 for spanish. Trump is right, Americans are fed up with these leaches sucking off our system. You can have your illegal lover Jeb Bush or that Muslim lover Fiorina, I'll take my chances with Trump over most any politician. I'd vote for Cruz if his numbers move higher. Im tired of politicians saying they will do this when if we elect them and then end up giving Obama every fuxxing thing he asks for. Watch what happens when its time to fund the government. McConnell has already caved in and Boehner is sucking off Obama's dick on the golf course.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 00:43 | 6521324 pops
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Just watch Cruz and almost all the republicans in Congress hand Obama the TPP on a silver platter.  Just like they handed NAFTA to Clinton, only this time we won't get a contrite Newt telling us he's sorry they screwed up and to prove it they're going to make another "Contract With America" to be shitcanned the day after the elections.

If you believe a damned thing these sociopaths tell you (even Trump,) you're a fucking idiot and deserve the reaming you insist upon receiving after every election.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:42 | 6520332 silverer
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This place is screwed up as much by the government as much by illegal immigration.  I keep in mind that many good law abiding, desirable, moral, religious, ethical and hard working people come across our borders.  I also understand that a large bunch of them are no good, low life bums and worse who should not be here, and have no desire to contribute and build, but just to take and tear down.  The problem the way I see it is the government makes no effort to distinguish between the two groups.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:11 | 6520437 NoPension
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This is OUR country. We fucked it up. We built it up. We tore it down. We may be either the Leaders of the Free World, or the Asshole of Earth. I hear arguments for both. Either way....it belongs to the people who were born here. Who are here. And don't feed me shit about Indians. If they were worthy of this land, they would have defended it. Now, that is what WE have to do. Defend our lands against an Invading force.
Fuck these fuckers. If they are so noble and hard working, they can get to work cleaning and building up their Homelands.
But no, they sneak in and STEAL our birthright. A job, no matter how shitty, is OUR birthright. The mistake was made in letting a few across to do menial tasks, we thought were below us.See what it has gotten us?
Now, the USA is easy picking if you grew up with dirt floors and slept with chickens. We can't compete with people who view living four or five FAMILiES to a house an UPGRADE!
This crap is going on all over the world now. People who see it easier to just up and move to a wealthier country. I think I'll go down to the waterfront, and move into that mansion I fancy. He has plenty of room. Besides, his grandfather left it to him, and my grandfather didn't leave me shit. See how that works out.
So, go Trump. Build your fucking fence. Come down hard as hell on Central and South America. Fuck them, sending their indigent our way. We have enough problems.
I for one, am hoping for blood in the streets. Some turd marching with a Mexican flag, yelling about his rights. What is this , the fucking Twilight Zone?

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:00 | 6520397 nmewn
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lol...when the EBT gets cut off there'll be plenty of people working at the meat processing plants, they'll just be legal.

So don't worry, you'll have a job soon enough ;-) 

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 20:15 | 6520459 NoPension
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Exactly, nmewn.

All kind of jobs will be filled when bitches gotta eat. And Uncle Sugar don't pick up the tab.

This shit is so simple, it's stupid.

There ought to ten a day, offering to cut my grass, clean the house, or wax my carrot. Just to easy to collect a check.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:24 | 6520273 Full Nelson
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Last prez election was Pepsi vs Coke.

This time: Auntie Establishment vs Uncle Establishment.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:27 | 6520288 Omen IV
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Its time not just to put a wall on the Mexican border but a fence is needed around Washington DC to protect the citizens

American can be great again if DC is shut down

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:00 | 6520653 Stormtrooper
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Article V Convention. Amend D.C. out of existence.

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 21:14 | 6520711 New_Meat
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Omen IV: Life is really good in the Capital District.  And your fence perimeter isn't big enough, grab the whole beltway (after all, the so-called "sound deadening" fence is already 30 feet high in many places.  This would have other salubrious effects that a quick map-study will amply display.  Gotta' cast a wide net.

This is 'cuz the Capital District is much more than just DC.  Check out all of the counties (NOVA and MD) that are doing well, n'est ce pas?

- Ned

Mon, 09/07/2015 - 19:31 | 6520302 gwar5
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Headline reads, "Almost Apologetic" Hillary, shouldn't it be: "Apoplectic?"

Anyway, I don't know what the surprise is, Clinton is one of the most horrible human beings of all time and Joe and Bernie are raving lunatics. Pretty soon the hard core socialists (all of them) are going to start screaming it's racist not to let Obama run for a third term.  

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