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NYPD Cops Fire 84 Shots At Murder Suspect, Miss 83 Times
Late last month, an undercover NYPD officer picked up alleged illegal weapons dealer Jeffrey Aristy - from whom he had purchased some 25 guns on 10 separate occasions - in the Bronx and drove him to meet his “cousin” Samuel Ruiz in Mount Vernon.
It was either a set up or else everyone was just in the wrong place at the wrong time because just as the two men were ready to pull off, 37-year old Alvin Smothers jumped in the backseat, pointed a gun at the officer’s head, and robbed him of the $2,400 he had brought to buy the illegal guns from Aristy. Smothers then tried to run away when the officer broke cover and fired somewhere between 11 and 21 shots at the would be robber who had a tough time returning fire because as it turned out, the gun he had just put to the officer’s head was fake. Tragically, a 61-year old devout Jehovah’s Witness who was walking up the street was killed as the officer shot at the fleeing Smothers. The New York Post summed up the story quite effectively last week as follows: "A bystander was shot and seriously wounded by an NYPD cop in Westchester Friday afternoon when a suspect the officer was buying illegal guns from tried to rob him."
Now there are obviously a number of absurd things about that story, but what shouldn’t get lost in the sheer ridiculousness is the fact that this undercover officer fired as many as 21 shots in the middle of the street at a fleeing suspect and somehow managed to hit a bystander not once, but twice in the midsection.
So while the NYPD looks to be fairly accurate when it comes to accidentally shooting senior citizens in the chest, they don’t fare as well when engaged in firefights with suspected murderers who are shooting at them.
Enter 27-year old Jerrol Harris.
Harris was apparently rummaging around in a car in Brooklyn last Friday night when the car’s owner, one Leon Faison, confronted him.
Harris then shot Faison.
Undeterred, the 52-year old gave chase as Harris attempted to flee and when both Harris and Faison simultaneously spotted a pair of police officers, a firefight was joined.
According to RT, Harris took up a position behind a parked car and shattered a police cruiser’s windshield before retreating anew. The officers fired 52 shots at him all of which missed.
.@CommissBratton briefed at scene of early AM shooting, suspect fired several times at NYPD. http://t.co/o7Fhe9TpTY pic.twitter.com/VTREnujrD0
— NYPD NEWS (@NYPDnews) September 4, 2015
Shortly thereafter, Harris found himself cornered, at which point two more officers fired 32 additional shots at the suspect. Finally, one bullet struck Harris in the calf. He's now in custody (with a flesh wound) facing first-degree and second-degree attempted murder charges.
So there, ladies and gentlemen are your tax dollars at work. Not a lot of protecting and/or serving, but a whole lot of shooting.
Asked to explain how it's possible that after turning Bushwick into the Wild West, several trained officers managed to miss the mark a staggering 83 out of 84 times they pulled the trigger, NYPD Deputy Commissioner Stephen Davis explained that, much like true biker shootouts, real "running gun battles" are wildly unpredictable affairs:
“You have a running gun battle here. There are a lot of cops involved and it takes place in several different locations. It’s not as if everything was stationary.”
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Buy these cops eye glasses. Then let them go on disability.
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There will be a thorough investigation into this "incident". There will be "accountability".
Retinal Rectumosis.
Better medical with a wench plan.
This just means they'll get more/better training to hit center of mass at the slightest hint of danger to themselves in the future.
According to Common Core, 83 misses out of 84 shots "ain't bad".
Much like our high school system, they're allowed to keep shooting until they hit.
If Obozo took a big greasy shit it would look like this guy.
In all fairness to the cops involved, NYPD has to use what are like 10 lb triggers in their Glocks (which is absurd). Yeah, it makes it less likely that you accidentally pull the trigger...but it also makes it harder to hit what you are aiming at when you do intend to pull the trigger.
NYPD was supposed to be the world most professional cops!? This is a joke! I only know German cops are the world's most professional cops!
Trigger pull on NYPD Glocks is rumored to be 17 lbf so they don't shoot themselves in the foot.
That plus Glock triggers are like a sponge is no help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTEswkc4lPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA8hK32JRRw <<<-- Sponge trigger
83 stray bullets flying through NYC. Not OK.
Obviously cops need to carry grenade launchers
And all the doomers on ZH were wondering why DHS needs 1 billion bullets...
Give all the policemen involved a trophy and send them to Dairy Queen for ice cream.
The shot that hit him was probably a ricochet.
pods
No Hornady Critical Duty?
Gold Bitchez....I pick up pennies
Funny story by house, .... a lot cops have no gun care and control or skills all over.
"I didn't want to hurt anyone. I had no weapon," he said.
O'Connell said the shooting began moments after the SUV crashed into the light standard in the Fairmont subdivision in east London.
"I opened the door and ran around the front of the (SUV) and that's when the cop shouted 'Freeze!' and I told him I was unarmed and I wasn't stopping," he said.
O'Connell estimated he was less than 10 metres and possibly as few as six metres away when the officer opened fire.
"I thought there was no way he was shooting at me," he said. "I thought it was a Taser."
The pair ran through the rear yards and several fences of at least three properties. O'Connell said he kept getting "lit up" by laneway lights equipped with motion sensors.
O'Connell said the foot chase ended in less than a minute when he climbed onto a deck and sat on a chair as more police officers arrived.
"I saw them and I said, 'Hi. I'm Chris Jones. The guy ran over there,' trying to make them think I lived there," he said. "But the officers just yelled, 'Get down on the ground!' and I did. I just laid down.
Full story
http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/Canada/2009/08/20/10533006-sun.html
The cops clearly have investments in ammunition companies.
Oh, they do . . .
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I'd be fine with it if it occured in lower Manhattan.
And not 1 hipster "accidentally" injured.
No self-respecting bullet would go anywhere near a 'hipster'
If I couldn't shoot any better than these clown's, I'd resign from the force.
They are a danger to themselves and everyone around them.
NY Glock trigger pull is 11 lbs, both models NY1 and NY2.
If memory serves me, need to be LEO to purchase or a Glock LEO armorer.
11 lbs?!?!? That's not a trigger, that's a liberal-proof safety!
Meanwhile, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo's first deputy counsel, Carey Gabay, is in critical condition Monday morning, after being shot in the head during the pre-dawn festivities for the annual West Indian Day Parade in Brooklyn while being caught in gunfire between rival gangs.
The shooting was part of a spate of violence tied to the trouble-prone parade Monday. Among the other incidents:
The race of the victims or of the perpetrators was not included in any of the news reports.
No police officers appear to be involved in any of the incidents.
Mayor Bill de Blasio attended the parade and declared: “We will fight against the propagation of guns with everything we have because we can’t keep losing good young men.”
http://nypost.com/2015/09/07/deadly-mayhem-before-annual-parade-in-brook...
Most murderers or killers know their victim, and in most of these cases, I would bet that neither the stabber/shooter or the victim would fall under the "good young men " category.
They say the hardest thing to do is fire a weapon accurately, like a rifle, while riding a horse.
In all fairness to the police, it can be very difficult to see Canadians in the dark, let alone shoot them.
Chief Wiggum: That's some fine shootin', boys.
"Canadians" = clandestine 5-0 lingo...
They cops always say that they highly trained and that normal citizens should not be allowed to carry guns. I can name a ton of citizens that can shoot way better than that.
Good thing they didnt kill a bunch of civillians could of been a massacre.
They should be made to shoot regularly and pass range tests to keep their jobs. And those range tests should be yearly and monitored by private citizens who have the most to lose if the cops miss.
I would bet that they are not hired for their skills, but hired for their need of a job and their loyalty to support and obey their commanders no matter how ruthless the command.
Retinal Rectumosis.
Better medical with a wench plan.
Was it Harris' cow that the cop hit? Did the cow die? Shitty reporting.
Now I see why they ordered so much ammo.
pods
And that boil down my friend is why you are recognized as the King of One Liners on this board.
Eh, I wasn't even the first guy with that comment on this thread, but TY.
And HT to who beat me below!
pods
I wish I had not just got here and posted it above (says the guy who walked into the middle of a conversation).
This is what I don't get. I thought one reason police departments all over were being so easily militarized, both with equipment and in terms of training, was because there are so many veterans unable to find work in anything but law enforcement. If police departments are being filled up with ex-military types, don't they know how to shoot better than as described in this article?
frankly, because handguns are inherently much harder to shoot accurately and require many many more rounds downrange during practice to maintain the skills necessary to do so. by the nature of a rifle or shotgun, the site radius is much longer and the platform is much more stable with three points of contact to the body (both hands pulling the weapon into your shoulder)
most cops aren't pistol marksmen and never will be, it would require much more time and money than the departments are willing to spend. unless the officer pays for it himself it won't happen.
American cops are the saddest bunch of deranged psychopaths ever to be put up to protect the elite of a society. Entitled, overly-coddled, and they still demand more: more money, more protection from the people they abuse and kill, more protection from the laws that they violate when they abuse or kill people.
They deserve no respect, no compassion, and no quarter when the war starts.
I am Chumbawamba.
I sure do miss your posts, Chumba...
Yeah except elites don't live on the streets of NYC.
For plain ignorance, that comment can't be beat.
You don't know anything about the conditions the officers faced. Light, distance, nearby civilians, only sidearms -- all affect the result of a gun battle. Next time study up on what the police were up against before you make smart comments.
Doh!
Harry, you're alive! And a horrible shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3UMKo0Lyd4
pods
Sounds like the five hundred Italian sharpshooters that put three bullets into Mussolini.
And meanwhile I can put six shoots inside a one inch circle at twenty meters with a .357, but I'm the one who is a dangerous amateur and is a menace to society. If only I was black with my pants hanging at my knees.....
I'll give you a blowjob if you can put all six shots in a 1 inch circle at 20 meters with any pistol.
And I'm not gay.
pods
You didn't say he couldn't put it in a vice first. You're screwed.
With my .357 it's not hard. My .45 auto, the circle is three inches, but then again I've been shooting for fifty years and used to compete with both rifle and pistol. I should also memntion I've built my own gun range......
6" barrel i'm guessing?
Yep, and Millett sight plus custom grips......
Pods,
I think you better get some knee pads.
With his vast admiration for professional athletes, and his love of the male form on his TeeVee, I always figured he was in the closet, but now he got caught in a bet so I guess he'll just have to buck up!
Vast admiration for professional athletes? Love of the male form?
Think you got me mixed up with someone else.
It's all good though, I don't give a fuck what you think.
As for the original bet, 6 shots, 20 meters. 1 inch group.
And no, I am not talking sandbags or vice, we are talking human accuracy, not gun maker.
If he can do it, and do it consistently, he is in the top 0.1% of marksmen, easily.
pods
Whatever. A heterosexual male does not make bets that he will suck cock, no matter the circumstance. You now sayin' you don't watch sports on TV with your son? Big defender of the virtue of pro athletes, since they are great selling-out role models for kids all around!
Pod.
Watching baseball on TV with my kid does not equal "vast admiration of professional athletes," sorry.
The bet was called hyperbole. Get over it.
Or don't. Either way, won't bug me. Hell, you can call me QUEER if it makes you feel better. I am secure enough in my sexuality where a word is not going to bother me.
Nor is making an outrageous bet over an outrageous claim.
pods
Pods, go to an IPSC event....
Just got my .357 back from my parents, where it had been residing in a safe for many years.
I need a lot more practice to match that.
Hey, I built my own gun range as well. I step onto my back porch and shoot at the old dishwasher whose sole purpose is to act as a backstop. :)
The right ammo makes a lot of difference. I handload and develop my own loads......
Two possible retorts, merely for entertainment purposes only:
1. How many bullets do you have to use to get the six inside the one inch circle?
2. Let me know when you do that while the circle is shooting back at you.
#2 is a funny point of contention. You wouldn't believe how people get all worked up about the difference between a rifle (usually the rifle in question is an AR-15) with a MOA of 1" versus 2".
Unless you are under no pressure at a gun range, there is no practical difference.
I have never been in any kind of gunfight nor do I wish to be.
I did once have to hit the deck when an idiot uncle decided to shoot during a deer drive (he was a driver).
Heard shots that clearly were aimed in my direction and heard a slug hit a tree up high.
We hit the deck in unison.
pods
According to the article, the cop that shot the old guy, wasn't being shot at.
Sorta explains why Homeland Security ordered hundreds of millions of ammunition rounds.
Well bureaucrats with guns sure makes ME feel safe.....
It's not that important that they hit what they are shooting at but that they shoot their weapon. I mean that thing hangs there on their hip, quietly whispering "discharge me" to officer Dingwitty year after year and nothing, then one day opportunity calls and it is on like O motherfucking K Corral.
Take you average NCIS hot, man ass kicking, 110 pound starlet. That bitch will teevee kill on average 25 white males a season.
Gun guys never get promoted.
It's a bitch when the target is firing back LMAO
this is only ZH News when the markets are all in the green....we need more fear porn,please.
I won't even beat off to fear porn anymore. Can't have my better half getting a picture of me doing the money shot squint.
pods
"this is only ZH News when the markets are all in the green....we need more fear porn,please."
You must have missed the article where Soc Gen is super worried about the recent gigantic loss in global market cap, that will result in an incoming liquidity crisis due to leverage unwinds, creating a negative feedback loop that can only be resolved by moar turbo.
Toothless hacks at the State Fair shoot better than trained Crime Fighters.
Fire them all!
DOD GIVES LAST-MINUTE NOTICE TO FAA BEFORE GOING DARK
BY SHEPARD AMBELLAS
WASHINGTON, DC (INTELLIHUB) — Air Traffic Collision Avoidance Systems (TCAS) and Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcasts (ADS-B) will be down or spotty in 5 states, extending up to 200 miles off shore of the Eastern Seaboard, until Oct. 1, according to a NOTAM issued Sept. 1 by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).
The NOTAM reads in part:
Due to military activities, the TCAS and ADS-B surveillance may be unreliable in the airspace over Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida, and extending approximately 200 nautical miles offshore, from 1 a.m. EDT (0500z) Sept. 2 until midnight EDT (0459z) on Oct. 1.
Pilots are advised that the traffic alert and TCAS may fail to establish tracks on nearby aircraft and may fail to receive traffic alerts (TA) or resolution advisories (RA). Operators should be aware that tracks may first appear within close proximity to their aircraft, and may immediately go into TA/RA status.
Pilots are advised to maintain an increased visual awareness in this area. If operators believe that an aircraft should have triggered an alert, the incident should be reported to air traffic control as soon as possible.
This is due to a late notice Department of Defense exercise, and NBAA has voiced its concern to the FAA that these sort of significant impact tests need much more notice to operators in the NAS.
This is immensely concerning not only for the safety of passengers and staff aboard flights navigating the affected areas but for the security of our country as well. In fact the last time we saw similar systems go down was during the attacks on the World Trade Center (WTC) and the Pentagon, Sept. 11, 2001.
https://www.intellihub.com/alert-air-traffic-collision-warning-systems-l...
You can't be serious. Everyone knows it's SOP for the machines to go offline during the month of September, in solemn remembrance of all of the fellow machines which were lost to the greater cause on 9/11/01.
Get with the fucking program, commie.
drones ahoy---
Obviously, the cops needed tanks, rocket launchers and their bondage porn fetish Star Wars uniform costumes.
Don't forget the Nazi Bald head.
Bottom of the barrel. They learn to shoot as children playing FPS games, where I believe the slogan is: "Spray and pray".
NOW do you understand WHY certain agencies buy so much ammunition?
LMAO
They must be getting ammo for free.
They are; you're paying for it, muttonhead.
Safest place in the world is directly in front of an NYPD enforcer shooting his sidearm.
... or being assigned to guard the salad bar from Chris Christy.
delete
They can only hit targets that are standing still with their hands up.
It's intentional. the standard issue firearm has a very sensitive trigger. about 12 pounds, meaning that you need serious help to get a shot off. forget about aiming altogether. But, "it makes the side arm safer because it's difficult to impossible to have an accidental discharge", let alone an intentional one. Add the usual LibDem loath about training people in firearm use, even if they are yoyr police, and bob's your uncle.
Isn't this what should be expected from a Keynesian Army?
Comic relief
I guess that "Check Your Backdrop" training is no longer taught. Morons. .45 cal should be used in dense urban areas, not .40's,not 9mm.
Well if you ask me the cops needed to be issued at least a hundred more rounds each.They did not shoot enough at these scum. Sorry about the old lady, and yes that could have and should have been avoided.
Take it from me, a lifelong hunter that has hunted fast moving big game in the Sierra's, Bitteroots, Sawtooths, Cascades, Appalachians, Ozarks, Tetons, Ouachita's, Blue and many other mountain Ranges.
It is terribly hard to hit a running object, with a Rifle, much less a pistol with a 4-5 inch barrel, that skill takes decades of practice and many thousands of rounds and lifelong experience with range estimation . But it can be done, and you get a lucky shot once in a while.
Sometimes you have to step back. Like high speed chase's, if it's a high risk to public, back off.
Yes I agree, these guys got caught up in a moment. But if some thug put a gun to my head and blew my windshield out trying to kill me, I can assure you I would not have a bullet left on my person until either me or him one is dead, and he would have way more bullet holes than the one in his calf before I stopped. Just me.
I agree id be pissed. But once distance is in play, the ofc, not bad guy has to make the call.
Agreed, but adrenaline mixed with a little fear is a powerful drug my friend
Signed Viet Vet- 68/69.
The attitude that it's better to punish 1000 innocents lest a guilty person go unpunished is very dangerous. It makes you little better than the scum you so revile.
You can go fuck yourself. And dont call me scum you maggot. Its not about punishment idiot. Its about if you try to take my life deal with the consequences of your actions.
Ok Mr. Big and tough Vietnam Vet. You sign up and get payed to protect people but it's ok to unload a clip of ammo when you have shit for aim, injure/kill some old lady.
THIS IS NOT THE VIETNAM JUNGLE shit for brains. I guess you never shook off the brainwashing the military gave you. How does it feel to have fought in the most useless and embarrassing war in US history and still not be able to shoot a fucking deer. You are pathetic in every way.
Another loud mouth, coming and popping his gums. Is that all you got is name calling to a man whose only simplistic statement is, Im not going to let you, a VC, a NY thug or any one else take my life for free.
I DID NOT SIGN UP I was drafted, I admit it changed me forever, and yes Im not cop material, but I was never brainwashed. Nor was I big and bad,quite the opposite actually, Just talented from the aforementioned lifelong hunting (and no, not the shooting part).. I did not start it or like it, I was just a scared kid that had to live it and stay alive as best I could. So I am guilty as charged, I fought to stay alive. AND, Im still here. right or wrong.
You know nothing about hunting, much less mine, so you merely showing your ignorance. Your whole post is useless false assumtions you know nothing about so STFU punk.
And they wonder why the military guys are not going to do anything about what is happening now. HA.
Guys!!! Guys!!!
Everybody just cool your jets before this situation escalates and an innocent ZH Witness gets caught in the crossfife and ends up getting randomly abused by one of you maniacs!
These senseless tragedies must stop!
Such an emotional response to a well-presented argument surely should disqualify you from ever obtaining lethal weapons. You don't have the state of mind to handle such responsibility.
You are perfect for the police force.
This explains why the government needs a billion rounds of ammunition, they do their practice in the field. But now imagine you are an ordinary citizen, trying to defend yourself in an attack, and you peel off that many rounds. You'd be hunted down like an animal.
Yeah, government thugs from your local cop to the alphabet soup .fed guys chomp steroids to bulk up, get in a rage, and ensure they make their 20 for prompt retirement and a gold-plated pension.
Unfortunately, steroids aren't good for a steady hand or sound judgment.
For those who fail the shooting range test...simple solution...give them shotguns...
I was worried when the DHS purchased a billion rounds of ammo last year. Now, not so much. I understand. If they shoot like the NYPD, they'll need all those rounds if they hope to hit anything.
Some guy in the leg . In the end.
Someone's gotta say it... #JehovahsLivesMatter
This should fix the problem:
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I had to read this thread as I knew hilarity would ensue :)
Maybe, deep down inside, the cops really don't want to hurt anybody. So they try to aim striaght but their sub-concious says "miss"...or "hit the bystander". Just don't know.
Ask Sgt Angel (Hot Fuzz) it was for The Greater Good.
Long gun ranges.
I was going to say that with that kind of hit ratio, they had better call in the military...which is what they seem to be doing more of these days.
Then I thought back to the Vietnam War where it was estimated a phenomenal 20,000 rounds were fired for each Viet Cong or NVA soldier...or civilian killed/wounded.
Then I thought further, especially after having talked with my brother this weekend and his opinion after having read the Pentagon Papers and what a FU Vietnam was ...all that killing and for what....
And then I realized I should just shut up. The world is really turning into a mess and no one is going to be able to fix it now.
I'm not condoning the abysmal waste of ammo or attempting to justify kill ratios or anything of the sort, just want to point out that a lot of ammo in the military is used for suppressive fire during maneuvering, something that is legally impossible for law enforcement. So a platoon of 40+ members each emptying one 30-round magazine during any given firefight, the rate of attempted hits versus suppressive fire rounds may be at a ratio of 20/80 or greater. Granted, there's phenomenal waste in the miiltary, including very gratutitous ammunition expenditure, but simply assuming 20,000 rounds were fired with deliberation to score one kill is incorrect. I saw this figure cited numerous times as well, until I joined the military and learned fire and maneuver. Cheers.
Please don't tell the cops about that fire and maneuver stuff.
As a strict gun-rights advocate I always argue with tyrants on the left that it's better to have good people with guns nearby than to have to sit and wait for cops to arrive. They always say that the problem with that line of thought is then more innocent bystanders will be killed because gun owners are not as well trained as cops.
Well now we have this story...
This UC had made 10 purchases already! WTF was he going on another for? Why wasn't this guy already brought in on charges? Were they trying to follow the trail all the way back to Holder or what??
It's a twofer. Job creation, FBI slush funds. The longer it goes on, the happier they all are. It's really just the folksy domestic branch of the MIC.
And the agents themselves are allowed to skim and scam into a very comfortable lifestyle, otherwise no one would take these risks. I know a roid-addicted ex-undercover from NYC (who wore many different suits, from being a professional faux-arsonist to a drug and guns-buyer - and this is just what's on the record) who now has a mansion in Florida, his 3rd young wife& new tots, and a brand new Hummer. On retirement, he was re-commisioned to train police in Dubai. He runs back and forth from Fl to Dubai now, doing "the Lord's" work still, I'm sure.
Now should be the reason they ban guns for the police or "law" enforcement. ;-)
Thank god they didn't kill the perp, hey?
We took a bunch of former soldiers from our past two worthless and unwinnable wars and put a badge on their chest.
What else would you expect?
Nailed it!!!!
So if you're walking to the corner store to buy a pack of gum and get wounded in the crossfire between the illustrious NYPD and some dipshit, your natural human right would be to return fire at the assailant. I think the NYPD would be a little more careful if the plebleans they kill accidentally started shooting back
You hear a gunshot in NYC and you better get a cab quick and head over the Williamsburg bridge before you get hit by a stray police bullet.
I hate NYC it stinks like banksters and other vermin. Especially during the summer. A plane comes into Los Angeles International from NYC in the summer and you can see the stink rolling off its passengers as they gasp for fresh air.
My thoughts exactly. I haven't visited NYC for 20 years. Last time I was there the fetid air smelled of of BO, urine and garbage. Will never teturn.
So if you're walking to the corner store to buy a pack of gum and get wounded in the crossfire between the illustrious NYPD and some dipshit, your natural human right would be to return fire at the assailant. I think the NYPD would be a little more careful if the plebleans they kill accidentally started shooting back
Needs better gun control... should be able to hit their target.
1:10 am, 83 rounds, dark outside, fleeing suspect, highly populated urban scene. Suspect takes cover, pops a round off, flees again. Who fired 83 rounds. Nuff said. Id say if a private citizen did that, look out. They up there in lib town would be going for the rope. but we know law abideing residents can't self protect. Nanny states lives another day.
They need to carry machine guns!!!
So, I guess the bottom line here is: strict gun laws encourage black market gun sales, which lead to police shootouts / elderly people getting shot in the street.
Ya, but I'd have preferred if you could have also touched on how the NYPD couldn't hit the broadside of a highrise.
Sure they can! ...As long as they aim at something else...
Hey NYPD!!!
USE A FUCKING DRONE NEXT TIME AND TURN THE PIECE OF SHIT INTO DUST!!
I sure as hell dont trust a cop to count bullet holes......................maybe if they were donuts I could trust them but this is a serious matter and it sould not be left to people who need to wear special vest to work and have flashing lights on their vehicles
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No wonder they bought-up all that ammo over the years. Dumb Asses can't hit shit...
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe Homeland Security really does need a billion and a half rounds, especially if the emperor gets his wish of turning Acorn types into the leftist civilian police farce.
Shotguns would solve this problem.
Rich!!!
Unless the police were shooting at a Bankster, this should not be covered on ZH
NYC cops put their heart and soul into shootings. When one of their fellow cops start shooting, they get a hardon, and so then they start shootingas, and when, eventualy, the target is hit, they cum.
With all the cop killing going on I am not surprised by how many rounds were used. A semi-auto 9mm may hold 17 or 18 rounds in a magazine. That comes out to about 5 empty magazines.
I find it amusing how the people who have never been under fired react to these stories. If you have been there it is all adrenaline. Adrenaline pumps instinct. There is no time to be counting shells. You fire until you are out of bullets or out of enemies…
Yes, that is what poorly trained people do.
Maybe those bed wetters shouldn't be cops. There's probably a lot of other people who would do a better job.
I doubt the cops in our small city have fired that many rounds on the beat since the city was founded. How the hell can they protect anyone when most of them can't hit a barn from inside it?
That's why they need full-auto. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.