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Turkey Invades Iraq: Two Battalions Launch Ground Incursion In "Hot Pursuit" Of "Terrorists"

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On Monday we warned that the violence in Turkey stemming from Ankara’s politically-motivated, NATO-sponsored crackdown on the PKK is escalating rapidly as are efforts to censor the media and attack (verbally or otherwise) the pro-Kurdish HDP, whose strong showing at the ballot box in June triggered an absurdly transparent effort on the part of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to undermine the country’s fragile democracy by using ISIS as a smokescreen to gain international support for the resumption of civil war with the Kurds.

As a reminder, Ankara is on the offensive after a series of attacks blamed on the PKK killed multiple Turkish soldiers over the weekend. Here’s what we said yesterday: Erdogan told the the press that the war on terror would now be waged “with much greater determination” and that means more violence and more crackdowns on the media and anyone deemed to be a PKK sympathizer. Sure enough, AKP supporters massed outside the headquarters of the Hurriyet newspaper on Sunday, accusing the paper of misquoting Erdogan and on Monday, HDP offices were attacked across the country. More from Zaman:

Dozens of buildings belonging to local branches of the pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party's (HDP) were attacked on Monday in several cities across Turkey, after the General Staff confirmed that 16 soldiers had been killed in an ambush by the terrorist Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) on Sunday.

 

In Ni?de a group of nearly 500 protesters, who gathered in Cumhuriyet Square, attacked the HDP's Ni?de branch building with stones. Some of those involved climbed up to the window of the HDP office and broke the signboard of the party, after police failed to disperse the group.

 

Similar attacks were staged in the provinces of Antalya, Mersin, Sakarya and Kayseri and the districts of Manavgat and Çorlu, with protesters stoning the party's local headquarters and hanging Turkish flags on the buildings.

 

The windows of the HDP's Eski?ehir branch were broken in a separate attack.

 

In Çorlu, protesters also attempted to lynch the HDP's Tekirda? provincial co-chair, ?ehnaz Kaya.

 

Private television station IMC claimed that a total of 126 of the HDP's provincial and district branches buildings were attacked on Monday.

On Tuesday, things got worse - much worse. After more than a dozen Turkish policemen were killed in yet another roadside bombing, Ankara sent ground troops into Iraq in pursuit of those the Erdogan regime says are responsible. Here’s The New York Times with more:

Turkish ground troops entered northern Iraq on Tuesday as part of a short-term operation to capture Kurdish rebels who had crossed the border after an attack that killed 16 soldiers, a government official in Turkey said.

 

The military had crossed the Iraqi border in pursuit of militants from the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or P.K.K., who had been involved in recent attacks against Turkish security forces, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity in line with government protocol.

 

The size of the operation was not immediately clear, but the Dogan news agency, citing military sources, said two battalions had entered northern Iraq.

 

The incursion comes after 14 Turkish police officers were killed in a roadside bomb attack in eastern Turkey on Tuesday, a day afterTurkish warplanes struck Kurdish insurgent targets in northern Iraq and killed dozens of rebels.

 

A police vehicle escorting customs official to the border with Armenia in Igdir Province was the target of attackers believed to be rebels from the insurgent group, the semiofficial Anadolu Agency reported. Several other police officers were wounded in the assault.

And more from AFP:

Fourteen Turkish police were killed Tuesday in a new attack by Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) militants as violence in the east of the country threatened to spiral out of control.

 

"Turkish security forces crossed the Iraqi border as part of the hot pursuit of PKK terrorists who were involved in the most recent attacks," a Turkish government source told AFP.

 

"This is a short-term measure intended to prevent the terrorists' escape," added the official, without specifying the timing of the incursion.

 

The 14 police were killed in the eastern region of Igdir in a bomb attack by militants on a minibus taking them to the Dilucu border post with neighbouring Azerbaijan, Anatolia reported.

 

A PKK spokesman in northern Iraq confirmed to AFP that the PKK had carried out the attack.

 

BBC

Note that this isn't without precedent. In early 2008, Turkish soldiers entered Iraq in a similar effort to eradicate the PKK. "Operation Sun", as the incursion was called, was conducted with Washington's blessing for the most part. "Washington described the PKK as a 'common enemy', and only urged Ankara to keep its incursion short and closely focused," BBC noted at the time, adding that "the positions of the UN and EU have been similar, suggesting a degree of sympathy with Turkey's cause."

And then there was "Operation Steel" in 1995. And "Operation Hammer" in 1997." And "Operation Dawn." And the aplty named "Operation Northern Iraq." 

You get the idea. 

So while history doesn't repeat itself, it damn sure rhymes and here we are again watching as the Turkish military crosses the Iraqi border as though it's not even there (which the US does routinely) chasing "terrorists" up into the mountains.

Of course Turkish soldiers aren't the only ones fighting Kurds in Iraq. So is ISIS. And that means that just like in Syria, Turkey (with Washington's implicit ok) is at best distracting from and at worst impeding the battle against Islamic State, the same Islamic State which is being used by Ankara as a cover for the PKK crackdown. Of course as Erdogan will patiently explain, he's only after the "bad" Kurds which we suppose means no US-backed Peshmerga will be harmed in the making of the latest Turkish invasion of Northern Iraq.

 

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Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:12 | 6522712 JustObserving
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Turkey is well on its way to being a failed state.

Karmic payback for its undeclared war on Syria which has caused 250,000 deaths and more than 4 million refugees

Turks will be the new refugees flooding Germany

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:14 | 6522722 Bearwagon
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Well, come november, there'll be elections to be held in turkey ....

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:21 | 6522746 TSA Thug
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We must start to ready ourselves here in the homeland. Well armed is the best way to go forth.

Here's an idea for you:

Effective January 11 2013 the ATF is handling North Carolina transfers as follows:

Machine Gun transfers from a dealer to a dealer on a Form 3 no longer require a North Carolina Sheriff permission letter to possess the Machine Gun (MG)

From a Dealer to a Gun Trust using a Form 4.
If the Form 4 states that the MG is being “acquired for scientific research and/or experimentation” or “in accordance with 14-409”, then you will still need North Carolina Sheriff permission letter to possess Machine Gun.

But, If the reason on your Form 4 states a reason OTHER than “in accordance with 14-409” or “for scientific and/or experimental use” then the North Carolina Machine Gun Letter or permission from the Sheriff is not required.

This means you should not state “in accordance with 14-409” or “for scientific and/or experimental use” on a Machine Gun transfer in the state of North Carolina
All other NFA transfers on a Form 4 – no longer require the reason to state “In accordance with 14-288.8” to approve the transfer.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:36 | 6522788 ToSoft4Truth
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Have you forgotten about the CNC,…  I mean 3D printed guns without serial numbers?  Those have been cranking out for over a year now. 

 

Teach a man to print.... 

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:43 | 6522810 knukles
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The enemy of my enemy, whoever that is at the moment, is my friend and apparent enemy who might not be my enemy and perhaps my friend's friend when his enemy becomes my enemy until his enemy's friend's brother's enemy marries my daughter and becomes my son-in-law and friends of the family* until he becomes my enemy or friend again.
Whatthefuckever.

* That's when the little pecker head asked to get included on my phone bill under the Friend's of my Enemy's Family Program.  Asshole.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:58 | 6522882 Headbanger
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Since Lehman too!

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:10 | 6522901 Broken_Trades
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Tyler you missed 2011 - 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2011_Turkey-Iraq_cross-border_raids

Then this also happened in 2011:

http://www.newsmax.com/KenTimmerman/iran-turkey-iraq-kurds/2011/07/28/id...

"Turkey denies claims that it was coordinating military operations with Iran out of concerns that this would jeopardize its membership in the NATO alliance. "

 

Fox News 2011:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/10/22/turkey-says-4-kurdish-rebels-kil...

"The Turkish troops had penetrated three miles (five kilometers) into Iraqi territory, Haber Turk said, while military helicopters were ferrying elite troops in and out of other areas for "spot operations" against PKK rebels."

FYI - Flying to Kurdistan via Istanbul, you don't say you're going to Kurdistan lest you wish to be corrected.  You are flying to the Iraq.

Rgs

BT

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:17 | 6522934 TahoeBilly2012
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daa9pZDxfIY

 

TIME TO TAKE THAT LONG PLANNED TRIP TO DISNEYLAND!

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:27 | 6523192 giovanni_f
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So, Erdogan, you wanna chase terrorists? Well, go to Texas, look for Bush and take'em out.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:52 | 6522858 TSA Thug
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No experience with a machine gun huh? They produce enough heat to cook a steak.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:00 | 6522884 stopthejunk1
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What we really need is lasers anyway, not traditional firearms.  Lasers don't run out of ammo, you just need an energy source, and energy is more widely available (and easier to create) than ammo.

If the preppers and anarchists knew what was good for them, they'd be begging to put off their global "pull the world down" coup until better technology became available, especially weapons technology.  They don't stand a chance in a conventional setting.

I get the feeling that Mad Max has caused too many people to have a completely unrealistic sense of their survival chances.  Either that or the mean readership age on ZH is about 14.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:17 | 6522935 Barnaby
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Unless you've got a peltier and a way of shedding that heat effectively, you're a perfect target for heat-seeking missiles. Heck, even FLIR from 1972 could find you.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:59 | 6523383 Publicus_Reanimated
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Only if you are completely isolated from any other heat source in the area.  Not bloody likely in a true tactical environment.  Your putative missile has to be smart enough to only look for "bad guy" heat sources.  Do the words "Danger Close" mean anything to you?

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:37 | 6523253 Moe Howard
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We need Litium Ion battery guns. Not nail guns, but guns that shoot projectiles. So we can use our Black & Decker batteries from the weed eater with it.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:22 | 6522952 worbsid
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"When the BAR speaks, everyone listens."  Old Army saying.  

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:22 | 6522954 A Nanny Moose
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Uncle Yellen and Ben Dover abide.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:41 | 6523024 Abitdodgie
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For $200 dollars you can get and make a complete full auto lower AR15 (M16) from a 80% complete forging and then the bolt adapter s $25 and then the barrel and stock of your choosing, so it ends up select fire and no numbers , so at this stage in the game who cares about licences.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:01 | 6522889 The Indelicate ...
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guns, eh?

Time better spent would be figuring out where police and nat guard weapons and other gear are at and figuring out how to secure or neutralize those supplies ab initio.

Or, do the smart thing realize that America is already gone and find someplace nice and quiet to hide.

Otherwise, if you don't know what to do with helicoters, drones, and APCs - worrying about getting guns is rearranging deck chairs, son.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:23 | 6522959 TSA Thug
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M134D

7.62 chambered, 4400 round mag, 9x improved accuracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLEGE7k9FD4

STFU.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:18 | 6522936 83_vf_1100_c
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  Wait til the SHTF and just shoot someone with an auto and take it.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:24 | 6522756 inevitablecollapse
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at this rate, none of us are going to make it to November - my advice to you is to start drinking heavily

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:30 | 6522775 Winston Churchill
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Won't work,I've tried to drink myself to death.Too slow.

But being drunk in the coming shitstorm will kill you and yours, if there is the

chance of survival..

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:39 | 6522802 Barnaby
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I think I speak for a number of commentors when I say some people shoot better when they're high. I've smelled enough ethanol clouds emanating from steady hands on the range, as well as experienced near-superhuman pain tolerance from heavy drinkers. Not my choice for a fireteam, but pretty great in a stand-off.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:56 | 6522872 Herd Redirectio...
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What do you think the 'magic potion' in the Asterix series was?

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:10 | 6522910 Barnaby
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You mean it wasn't Obelix spunk?

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:25 | 6522963 cowdiddly
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I dont recommend shooting guns while drinking. But I highly recommend being drunk when shot with one.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:48 | 6522844 knukles
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I got rid of all my firearms over a decade ago when I was discharging them while drunk, hiding them loaded around the house when I was loaded and couldn't find them (or even remember hiding them until I went looking for them again next time was loaded) with the little rug rats crawling about into everything.
And no, my noble drunken ass at the time was not worried about the kids, I was worried they'd shoot me.
Perfect alcoholic thinking.
Nice pony.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:16 | 6522923 Barnaby
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Ankle slugs are the worst. They train cops to skip them off the pavement and take you out when hiding behind a car. I can imagine a toddler is a fucking evil shot!

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:19 | 6522940 q99x2
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Humans over the age of 21 should not be allowed to drink.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:45 | 6522830 knukles
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An upper for the Oscar Acosta reference from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:48 | 6522829 Paveway IV
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https://youtu.be/rmx_U6uJDxo?t=112

Kurdish PKK blew up some Turk truck with an IED. Turks pissed and chase PKK back into Iraq. [yawn...] The U.S. should be on the PKK's side, but Erdogan paid off enough congressmen to get the PKK declared terrorists. The Kurds will never forget the traitorous backstabbers and sellouts in the U.S. congress (and neither will I).

Published on Sep 7, 2015

Kurdish PKK Fighters obliterate a Turkish army vehicle from a distance. This operation was carried out by the HPG on August 19 in the Serwan district in the Siirt province in South-Eastern Turkey (North-Kurdistan). 

 

The HPG (People's Defence Forces) is the armed wing of the revolutionary Kurdish PKK (Kurdistan Worker's Party) movement. The PKK has increased its operations in by Turkey occupied North-Kurdistan after the Turkish state violated the cease-fire agreement. The Turkish state has been aiding ISIS (Islamic State) for the past several years and with that directly contributed to the massacre of thousands of civilians, most of whom were Yezidi Kurds. The PKK has been fighting against Turkish oppression of the Kurds and other ethnic and religious minorities for the past 30 years. Tens of thousands of Kurdish civilians were killed by the Turkish army during this armed rebellion. Many countries, including Russia and China, refuse to list the PKK as a terrorist organisation. The only countries that have listed this revolutionary Kurdish movement as such are close allies of Turkey, or NATO members. Members of the European Parliament have questioned the listing of the PKK as a terrorist organisation since no proper justification or prove was given for its listing. The PKK was only listed because of Turkey's extensive lobbying. The YPG, which is the Syrian branch of the PKK, has been crucial in the fight against the Islamic State. Over 100,000 Yezidi and Christian civilians were saved by the YPG and the PKK, while the Turkish regime was aiding ISIS.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:59 | 6522883 Son of Loki
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Turkey's pres is on a path of self-destruction of a once prosperous, secular state. I listened to him talk on TV a few months ago and he honestly is crazy. First stage is terrific Blowback from thier sticking their noses where they don't belong; second stage is civil war a la Libya, Iraq, Syria, etc.; and third stage will be hundreds of thousands fleeing up to the Christian EU countries like Grmany and Sweden.

 

News says so far it's the greatest migration of refugees since WWI.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:20 | 6522944 SofaPapa
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And this is just the warmup.  It only gets crazier from here...

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:01 | 6522885 Paveway IV
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The above attack was an earlier one couple of weeks ago. The current PKK attack seems to have been this one:

At least 14 policemen killed in PKK attack in eastern Turkey

which drew a response from Turkey that included 160 SF guys and this:

When the militants fled to northern Iraq, the special forces units also crossed over the border thanks to a mandate from the Turkish Armed Forces to take military action in Iraq and Syria that was renewed for another year on Sept. 3. 

 

The soldiers stayed inside northern Iraq for a couple of hours, despite bad weather conditions, determined the coordinates of the PKK militants and also made necessary marks for an air campaign. 

 

A total of 53 Turkish fighter jets launched an air campaign in northern Iraq for six hours after the units exited the country. 

 

The air operation, which featured 35 F-16 jets and 18 F-4 2020s, started at 11 p.m. on Sept. 7 and lasted until 5 a.m. on Sept. 8.

 

Around 20 militants were killed with laser-guided bombs in places where the special forces units had marked them. 

Seems kind of extreme, considering Turkey openly lets ISIS run supply truck convoys back and forth across it's borders. I guess some terrorists are more equal than others. Here's the spiel from Hurriyet Daily News (Turk):

Turkish jets, troops target militants in Iraq

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:33 | 6523219 Freddie
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It is a shame that the PPK does not have some MANPADs lik ethe old blowpipe or Iranian Misagh 2.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:59 | 6523392 Paveway IV
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...doesn't have them yet.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:36 | 6523007 Canadian Dirtlump
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Fuck Erdogan and Davotoglu. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

It is truly breathtaking, how the ham fisted, capricious, wreckless policies pursued by Turkey, the West, and the simian bronze age mongoloids in the gulf state are blowing up in their face. It's funny how the media is virtually silent about the unrest in Turkey, as well as the fact that the gulf states are getting their tanks and helicopters blown up at a break neck pace in yemen where they are busy killing cilivians.

Meanwhile the supposed Saudi conspiracy to crash oil prices has seen a wave of horror pass over the economic outlook of a feifdom full of useless princes, a massive welfare obligation to stave off revolution, and an couple of ethiopian slaves in every palace.

Meanwhile yet, the overt support for Islamists with the aim to destroy Syria has met with, thus far, disaster. Russia is showing more support than they ever have, despite us reading many reports ( some here ) about their apparent readiness to walk away from "Assad." Russia perhaps has played it as good as they could have. Despite the reports, the SAA has the upper hand. Rebel.. "rebel" morale could not be lower. Billions have been wasted by the gulf states and the West. Now Russia can come in and formall shut the shit down, all with political "anti isis" cover.

 

Speaking to the refugee crisis.. A couple of thoughts:

 

1) any crisis IS the fault of the West, wear it well.. BUT...

2) Why now? Why years later, all of a sudden, are thousands of apparently, healthy, able bodied YOUNG MEN storming the borders, rather than there having been a trickle of malnourished families steadily streaming in?

 

There exists a conspiracy whereby a set of policymakers across the west who have dual citizenship to the most racist country in the world want to force a multicultural destruction of the West making us a mass of mulatto button pushers with no past - smart enough to push the button, but too dumb to ask why. Far fetched hey?

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:25 | 6523179 Moe Howard
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The UN cut off the food aid. They claim they have no more funds.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 15:19 | 6523504 Canadian Dirtlump
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So it isn't an accident then...

 

R3m4kabl3.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9PeXUsdFys

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:41 | 6523023 BitchezGonnaBitch
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Turks will be the new refugees flooding Germany

 

That's, like, already happened. German Turks is a real thing. 

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:40 | 6523272 J Jason Djfmam
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Wh?t th? F?ck!?

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:49 | 6523314 Jack Burton
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Good observation JustObserving! If Turkey begins to fail as a secular or semi secular state, then all hell breaks loose right on Europes borders.

Also, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, all the anti Russian EU group, has refused to accept quotas of Migrants orderd by Merkel!  This leaves Germany with a huge problem, their client states in confrontation with Russia are now in open defiance of EU rules and EU membership. They wave EU flags as an anti Russia symbol, yet refuse to be European. Very funny.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:12 | 6522715 Temporalist
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It's a good thing nothing else bad happened in 2008.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:12 | 6522716 Soul Glow
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The CIA is ISIS....

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:53 | 6522859 The Indelicate ...
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The Israelis are also very deeply involved.

You left that out.

And I have a funny feeling they don't always tell Washington what they do.

Israel wants Syria destroyed and Arabs killed. Period.

and it basically controls the US, and has heavy influence through Jewish Lobbies all over the West.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:02 | 6522897 Herd Redirectio...
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Israel aka the State of Rothschild...

Intelligence agencies, banks and drug smuggling are intimately linked.  Call it vertical integration, if you will.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:41 | 6523267 Blackfox
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The Jerusalm post admits that Israel is helping heal Al Qaida in it's hospitals and once they get well they send them back to Syria.

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Israel-treating-al-Qaida-fighter...

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:13 | 6522720 Bay of Pigs
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Another ticking time bomb. Makes you wonder how long the region can go on like this before full scale war begins?

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:35 | 6522786 BurningFuld
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So Turkey attacks the Kurds who were kicking the shit out of ISIS? I think people just like shooting each other over there. It's going to be a free for all of epic proportions...because everyone is entitled to the OIL right?

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 15:02 | 6523409 J Jason Djfmam
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Oh, it will go on for hundreds of years.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:16 | 6522732 JustObserving
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Turkey fucked itself by joining Neocon/Obama's war on Syria:

The following examples show the extent of Turkish involvement in the war on Syria:

–Turkey hosts the Political and Military Headquarters of the armed opposition. Most of the political leaders are former Syrians who have not lived there for decades.

–Turkey provides home base for armed opposition leaders. As quoted in the Vice News video “Syria: Wolves of the Valley”: “Most of the commanders actually live in Turkey and commute in to the fighting when necessary.”

–Turkey’s intelligence agency MIT has provided its own trucks for shipping huge quantities of weapons and ammunition to Syrian armed opposition groups. According to court testimony, they made at least 2,000 trips to Syria.

Turkey is suspected of supplying the chemical weapons used in Ghouta in August 2013 as reported by Seymour Hersh here. In May 2013, Nusra fighters were arrested in possession of sarin but quickly and quietly released by Turkish authorities.

Turkey’s foreign minister, top spy chief and senior military official were secretly recorded plotting an incident to justify Turkish military strikes against Syria. A sensational recording of the meeting was publicized, exposing the plot in advance and likely preventing it from proceeding.

–Turkey has provided direct aid and support to attacking insurgents. When insurgents attacked Kassab Syria on the border in spring 2014, Turkey provided backup military support and ambulances for injured fighters. Turkey shot down a Syrian jet fighter that was attacking the invading insurgents. The plane landed 7 kilometers inside Syrian territory, suggesting that Turkish claims it was in Turkish air space are likely untrue.

Turkey has recently increased its coordination with Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

more at:

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/06/25/turkeys-troubling-war-on-syria/

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:40 | 6522808 ConfederateH
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This would put Turkey on a collision course with Russia, if true.  On tell would be if Turkey closed its airspace to Russian flights to Syria.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:28 | 6522970 TSA Thug
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They're about to meet these guys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY8GHr2QPQA

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:55 | 6523069 pazmaker
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There are some old Christian Orthodox prophecies that claim Russia will come against Turkey in the end times and destroy Turkey.......  St. Kosmos and Elder Paisios.

 

interesting.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:10 | 6522833 nope-1004
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Funny how other nations that are rich in resources are the only ones constantly destabilized.

Us foreign policy:

1)  Start a civil movement.  Destabilize governing regime by internal public demonstrations.

2)  Overthrow governing regime in the name of "terror" or "atrocities against humanity".

3)  Install puppet government more aligned with pro USA world banking dominance.

4)  Control local resources.  Pillage local gold.  Starve the population.

5)  Population is forced to leave the nation.  Millions of refugees flee.  US says it is "trying to rebuild for the good of humanity"

6)  Thousands of innocent military personnel leave the US to "fight".  What for?  Hmmmmm.....

7)  MIC reaps billions.  Arms dealers reap billions.  Trillions go missing from the Pentagon.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

And the story circulating that "ISIS is making millions a day from selling oil on the black market" is complete bullshit.  The largest, most controlled USD-resource in the world has a black market that the MIC can't control?

Lies, or gross incompetence.  Take your pick.

 

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:46 | 6522987 SofaPapa
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"Lies, or gross incompetence.  Take your pick."

I used to say this a lot.  Then Jean-Claude Juncker cleared it up for me.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:52 | 6523335 Jack Burton
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Excellent information! The USA has used Tukey as the base camp for anti Assad Jihadists from around the world. Many of these became ISIS, once paid, armed, and trained by US special forces.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:16 | 6522733 SSRI Junkie
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the slow burn calyphate continues, directed by the shiites in the white house

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:19 | 6522942 moonshadow
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No it's shiites like he said. If and When a person knows their ancient history of the area, they realize that Israel and Jerusalem were settled by the Hebrews. Israel belongs to the Israelites so get over it

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:32 | 6522989 Volkodav
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What us your definiton of Israelites.?

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:53 | 6523060 Canadian Dirtlump
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Apparently he means non semitic europeans.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:38 | 6523254 HowdyDoody
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and Americans - sorry 'Americans'

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 18:00 | 6524134 moonshadow
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In certain parts of the world, identifiable groups settled certain areas. thats just the way it is. we can identify it historically. just because someone might not like to acknowledge the truth of it hundreds of years later doesnt change the facts

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:33 | 6522991 SofaPapa
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So the US belongs to the Native Americans?  Just following your logic...

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:05 | 6523113 The Indelicate ...
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No, the US belongs to the Jews, too.

See - Israel is for Jews only, and to the extent of ethnic cleansing of people living there for over a thousands years.

BUT - they also have the "right" to live as a disproportionately powerful and wealthy minority in France, the Us, UK, South Africa, and elsewhere, where they have the right to advocate for Israel and to yell "anti-Semite" at you if you ever question their loyalty.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:55 | 6523360 Jack Burton
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Yes, exactaly so! They demand extraordinary privilige everywhere at all times. Right now their alliance with Washington DC gives Jews control over the USA and EU, plus Canada, Australia, New Zealand and any place the anglo saxon lives.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 17:43 | 6524073 moonshadow
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pretty much. now that was a clear case of taking what wasnt ours. although we did settle it while many tribes were nomadic. and did purchase some. then there are those numerous cases of genocide that make me say pretty much to you. just following the logic...

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:04 | 6523107 The Indelicate ...
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Jerusalem existed before any Israelite or Jew set foot there.

The Jews never, EVER lived in what is now Israel/Palestine alone.

and the Jews lived in large numbers OUTSIDE "Israel" for centuries before Christ. There may have been more in alexandria than Jerusalem at the time of Titus.

Your claim is null, void, and absurd.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 18:39 | 6524108 moonshadow
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there was a settled area there called jebus, the originally inhabitants being relatives of noah's son caanan (yes they are real historical figures regardless of what some think of the flood story) from whom abraham and the other Jews descended. other jews built jerusalem there. king david purchased land on mt moriah for what is now much of old Jerusalem including the temple mount. perhaps that is what you were referring to

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:21 | 6522745 ozziindaus
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Iraq and Syria will be cut three ways, Jordan will be returned to the Palestinians and Turkey will implode from within. Hey that's not my PLAN.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:22 | 6522751 TalkToLind
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Is your government on the verge of collapse? MOAR WOAR is the cure! Nothing juices an economy and promotes nationalism like killing another sovereign country's people and stealing their resources.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:38 | 6523008 SofaPapa
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As long as there is a sufficient supply of people in your country stupid enough to pick up a gun (not necessarily stupid) and mindlessly follow orders of who to shoot at with no critical logic applied (completely stupid), this will continue.  Our species is remarkably adept at cultural suicide.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:27 | 6522759 mastersnark
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"Polish terrorists attack German radio station, one terrorist killed."

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:25 | 6522760 aliki
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joe biden still think iraq is going to be 1 of obama's "major success stories"?

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:46 | 6522838 New_Meat
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Yes, he does.  Outta' the blocks, Joe-Bite-Me is ahead of Hilllarity?

"Stand Up for ... er ..."

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:29 | 6522770 Meat Hammer
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Hey, wait a minute!  It's America's job to drop freedom bombs!

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:34 | 6522773 Freddie
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Russia needs to have Tula keep chruning out the cheap ammo for Americans and also their 1970s anti tank missiles

These old 1970s Russian anti-tank missiles seem to do a very good job on Saudi M1s.  I am sure they could be used against Turkish tanks too.  1974 Konkurs ATGM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0nDHV_mkiY

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:34 | 6522782 Barnaby
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A proxy war? What is it, September again?

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:38 | 6522789 arbwhore
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Can't leave a good crisis go to waste. Bob Dylan said it best...

 

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks.

...

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul.

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:40 | 6522806 Barnaby
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Because who strums the Zio-strings better than an Ashkenazi renamed Dylan?

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:58 | 6523074 L Bean
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Everyone knows the Staples Singers did this song the best. And then there's Jimi Hendrix's All Along The Watchtower(and probably more, that I can't remember).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0h5gjO6cOA

If the kultural lever-pullers were honest, they'd paint Dylan for what he was; a commercialized, commodified Woody Guthrie. He even stalked Woody for a time, before testing out his faux-folk persona on the gullible University set. Total hack. Probably even state-sponsored at some point.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 16:09 | 6523735 Sparkey
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I liked Bobby Zimmerman's singing, he touched a generation!

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:39 | 6522804 RaceToTheBottom
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We should have broken Iraq into three countries when we had the chance.

 

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:45 | 6522831 Bioscale
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We? wtf

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 15:09 | 6523444 RaceToTheBottom
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When we were looking under every rock to blame Sadam for trying to kill Baby Bush's father, or looking for the peron who was blamed for being involved with 911, again Baby Bush.  Take your choice

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:43 | 6522819 The Indelicate ...
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gotta get more Arabs to leave Greater Israel

gotta mongrelize Europe

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/iraqis-join-an-intensifying-flow-of...

All part of some very old, Talmudic plans.

and more recent ones.

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-mid...

No doubt th eKurds will be fighting with Israeli weapons

http://www.meforum.org/3838/israel-kurds

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 15:51 | 6523654 lakecity55
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"We will move the Muslims to Europe and move our guys here."

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:46 | 6522835 1stepcloser
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Kurds getting buttfucked again...news at 11

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:46 | 6522840 SmittyinLA
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Let me guess the "terrorists" all hail from oil rich areas occupied by kurds.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:48 | 6522846 john milton
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oil will soon be over 100 again and putin will laugh all the way to bank...

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:52 | 6522857 The Indelicate ...
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While the European media arouse emotion by showing photographs of a drowned child and reports of crowds of refugees crossing the Balkans on foot, Thierry Meyssan demonstrates that these images have been fabricated. It’s certain that they serve the purposes of the head of the Federation of German Industries, Ulrich Grillo, and also NATO. But they do not show the phenomenon in its totality, which leads the Europeans to offer inadapted responses.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article188623.html

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:52 | 6522861 stopthejunk1
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The day cannot come soon enough when we invent an energy source that replaces all fossil fuels.

What will it be?  Solar?  Cold fusion? 

Why isn't there a full-court press, government-funded, similar to the Apollo program, to develop and roll out an alt energy structure in the next 10-20 years?

Once we have that, the ME can go to hell.  Think of all the money saved on defense... literally trillions.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 12:54 | 6522866 2muchtax
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Let me get this straight, we're fighting ISIS in Iraq, but we're fighting ISIS' enemy in Syria. Turkey, a US ally, is fighting ISIS' enemy in Iraq. Russia is fighting ISIS in Syria too, but on opposite sides.

I glad I'm not one of the masterminds, because I am already confused and I have very little information.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:02 | 6522895 headhunt
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"...already confused and I have very little information."

Apparently you could be the Secretary of State, but I probably know less than you on this so I would be a better fit.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:08 | 6522905 2muchtax
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I appreciate the offer, but I ran my own email server once...too much hassle.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:11 | 6522915 AlfredNeumann
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All you need to know is that ISIS is CIA/Mossad controlled and its purpose is to create chaos.

Chaos has invaded your mind so its working.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 22:09 | 6525069 Yohimbo
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it doesnt matter whose fighting who, just as long is there is fighting going on.  

mission accomplished

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:15 | 6522924 Able Ape
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Nothing to get worried about, when you come down to it, invading a country is like poking an elephant with a paper clip..... [as the USA is perpetually finding out...]

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:19 | 6522943 Pancho de Villa
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One Tribes "Terrorists" are Another Tribes "Freedom Fighters".

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:21 | 6522949 ross81
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can you imagine what the White House or Downing St. would say If Syrian forces did a hot pursuit on the Islamist death squads fleeing into Turkey?

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 15:48 | 6523638 lakecity55
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Wait until the Spetznaz start cutting off heads.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:21 | 6522950 q99x2
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Oh jump down turn around throw a caliphate. Hey how does one kill a mid easterner? Ask Lloyd Blankfein.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 15:47 | 6523633 lakecity55
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How do you keep a Muslim from attacking your house?

Put up a Bar-B-Que sign.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:23 | 6522958 Infinite QE
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Chasing terrorists? Turn towards israel mates. The whole place is a nest of them.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:28 | 6522973 AlfredNeumann
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Tel Aviv and Kiev.  World HQ for the illegal sex trade and porn industry.

Also World HQ for the illlegal harvesting of human organs,

Did you know Poroshenko owns a chain of funeral homes in Kiev? FACT

How convenient.  

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:54 | 6523349 lakecity55
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Relax. A major power will Nuke Damascus.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 15:12 | 6523462 J Jason Djfmam
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Why nuke Dumb Assk Us?

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 15:46 | 6523630 lakecity55
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I have no idea, it is written down in prophecy.

Who am I to argue with John of Patmos? That guy got shown a preview.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 15:24 | 6523525 AlfredNeumann
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Guess Jesus won't save the 'Cradle of Chrisitianity''

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 13:45 | 6523038 AlfredNeumann
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You thought Pat Robberson was a lunatic?  Check this out

>>>>>

‘Jimmy Carter’s cancer is God’s punishment,’ says leading Israeli newspaper Tags: 

This is ugly hogwash typical of crazy religious people. Except when you live in an ethnocratic state, it gets elevated to the category of “news.” The Jerusalem Post, picking up a Jewish Telegraphic Agency story: ‘Jimmy Carter’s cancer is God’s punishment for his behavior toward Jews’

Read more: WHAT REALLY HAPPENED | The History The US Government HOPES You Never Learn! http://whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz3lAcQJKxr

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:12 | 6523139 The Indelicate ...
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I only read the NYT and watch CNN at this point to know which set of lies the government wants the hoi polloi to believe.

The Times' propaganda, you'd think, would be more cautious after Iraq. But let's face it, it is the flagship of the Jewish and Zionist international power configuration as much as the voice of the American Deep State.

The Times can help lies us into Iraq, for Israel, and without skipping a beat, continue to lie about Russia, Iran, and Palestine without fear of a thing.

check it:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/meet-nyt.html

"If you were to ask anyone, from a casual observer to a ‘well-informed’ media commentator, which side violates the ceasefires more often, they would almost surely say Gaza. The newspapers and network news media constantly inform the American people when a rocket is hurled from Gaza into Israel. Both Israeli and American politicians cite this phenomenon in speeches and press conferences to justify Israel’s continuing economic blockade of Gaza, among other things. With regard to the Gaza situation, practically all we hear about is rockets.

In an ongoing study of violence between Israel and Gaza, The Jerusalem Fund, a non-profit in Washington, D.C., has catalogued cease-fire violations on either side. The principal finding is as follows: “Palestinian launches have been rare and sporadic and occurred almost always after successive instances of Israeli cease-fire violations.” Despite this, in the diplomacy on Mid-East peace, we invariably hear about Israel’s security concerns, while that of the Palestinians’ is hardly mentioned.

...
Israel violates the cease-fires more often, bombs Gaza more times than Gaza rockets Israel, and kills more Palestinians than Palestinians kill Israelis. But these findings are not what is striking. What is striking about this is that almost everybody believes the opposite of the reality. Here’s Munayyer with more on that:

So how have these cease-fire dynamics been covered? We’ve tracked New York Times coverage of the cease-fire during this period. The New York Times is representative of the mainstream and extremely important for shaping public discourse on events and thus an important window into broader mainstream coverage. The Times also has multiple reporters covering these events including a bureau in Jerusalem and a correspondent in Gaza. Finally, we simply can’t track everything so the Times, with its easily searchable history, is an effective example to use.

Of the nearly 120 Israeli cease-fire violations during this period the New York Times reported on 17 of them. Additionally, most of these stories (eleven) came either during the first week of the cease-fire, when the issue was still fresh in readers’ minds, or since the escalation on December 20th. That means for the bulk of this period, during which Israel committed 87 cease-fire violations and causing some 91 Palestinian casualties over nearly a one year period there were only six stories on the topic. This represents a systematic failure to cover Israeli cease-fire violations.

Making matters worse is the way events are covered in the rare instances they are covered. In most cases, Israeli actions are described as a response to Palestinian actions. So while most Israeli cease-fire violations are not covered at all, those that are are explained as justified retaliation. Thus the reader is completely misled about the dynamics of fire, why the cease-fire is threatened and exactly what is going on in and around Gaza."

http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/02/06/the-truth-about-cease-fire-violations...

thousands of rockets
thousands of rockets
thousands of rockets
thousands of rockets
thousands of rockets

over and over and over with "wipe Israel off the map" and "human shields"

NYT’ is furiously rewriting history of Gaza conflict

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/furiously-rewriting-conflict

http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/11/11/israels-latest-assault-on-gaza-the-li...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/seven-deadly-lies-about-gaza/5395180

http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/israeli-lies-to-justify-attacks-on-hamas-e...

Never let it be said Israel has wasted their money on PR and buying Congress and funding a panoply of Jewish Lobby think tanks and lobby groups - all as Jews donate about half the money to both parties, and continue to be wildly over-represented at the Ivy League, where its okay to worry about their being slightly too many "whites" but forbidden to discuss the 2.5% that are routinely 15-20% of student pop.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 15:44 | 6523623 lakecity55
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Quite understandable when you know the Zionists control the MSM in the US.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 14:19 | 6523161 Moe Howard
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Somebody needs to draw up a flowchart so we can see who is supporting what. It gets more confusing every day.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 15:41 | 6523601 lakecity55
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TPTB are supporting the Bad Guys. The Brics, mostly Russia are supporting the not as bad guys.

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 15:17 | 6523492 Ranger4564
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Due to NATO obligations, Turkey is acting as the front end of the Cabal in their attempts to prevent the Global Financial / Currency Reset. It won't work, since the BRICS / most of the world, has already agreed to cooperate with China and the rest, but the Cabal would never just surrender, they have to die. Anyway, the military events in the Middle East, and the crashing Chinese / world markets are the result of the Cabal trying to prevent the geopolitical economic transfer to BRICS / World. The Cabal are trying to preserve the Dollar.

 

Tue, 09/08/2015 - 15:39 | 6523590 lakecity55
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Not to mention the intentional flooding of Europe with Muslims, many of whom have guns and knives.

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