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Submitted by Mark Jeftovic via The Libertarian Party Of Canada,

Thomas Pynchon once wrote:  ‘If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about the answers.’  Words to live by for the  the major political parties in Canadian Federal politics.

The refugee crisis in Syria, Iraq and spilling into Europe has become an election issue, with each of the major parties pulling magic numbers out of their ears around “how many” is the “right number” of refugees to admit to Canada, which once again underscores the Libertarian criticism that the both major political parties espouse largely uniform campaign platforms in which the issues are for the most part homogenous while the really important questions are rendered conveniently out-of-scope (and even the NDP’s, sniffing a faint shot at power, are pivoting off their principles in order to get it)

If we peer behind the veil of mainstream media oversimplification we find that the humanitarian crisis we are faced with today are the straight line consequences of a decades-old policy on the part of the West (defined as the US, the UK, Israel and including complicit Canada) to subvert and destabilize the very nations that are submerged in civil war and strife.

A String of Coup D’Etats

Syria and Iran were both once full-on democracies who’s duly elected governments committed the literal, mortal sins of offending Western corporate powers. Iran’s Mohammad Mosaddegh wanted to audit the books of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company and was instead overthrown and replaced with the Shah. We’re all aware how that turned out why Iran is so fond of the West to this day.

Foreign Policy FTW

Foreign Policy FTW

Syria’s plight is not as well known, our (meaning the West’s) first political coup d’etat against their elected government was in 1949, when the CIA over throws  Shure al-Quwatly and replaces him with the first of many military strongmen in Syria, Colonel Husni al-Zaim.  “America’s Boy” as he was dubbed, wasn’t so strong after all and was deposed and executed after 2 months in power. No fewer than 5 more military coup’s were sponsored over the years in Syria, so many that there is even a Wikipedia page  “List of Military Coups in Syria” (1954, 1961, 1963, 1966 and 1970).

When not actively overthrowing the elected governments of Syria and Iran, the west has been for decades, offering up policies designed to justify them and other initiatives that will destabilize and subvert the autonomy of “the target nations”.

A Multi-Decades Policy of Destabilization and Subversion

Via various think tanks and policy institutes, white papers are authored by the same recurring personages to shape the direction of mid-east policy. They have names which overlap heavily with the US Neo-conservative movement which ended up having a much stronger effect on the direction of Canadian politics than many would care to admit.

The rationales for these behaviours is usually the same: “when the citizens of these countries see where their improperly aligned leaders have gotten them, they will embrace democracy” (considering at least two of the targets in question started out as democracies in the first place, it brings to mind the parable of the Harvard MBA and the fisherman).

As far back as 1982, Oded Yinon publishes “A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties” in Hebrew in the journal Kivunium.

“The paper, published in Hebrew, rejects the idea that Israel should carry through with the Camp David accords and seek peace. Instead, Yinon suggests that the Arab States should be destroyed from within by exploiting their internal religious and ethnic tensions: “Lebanon’s total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precedent for the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track. The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unique areas such as in Lebanon, is Israel’s primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short term target. Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon.”

A decade later,  Princeton University professor  Bernard Lewis describes the process of “Lebanonization”  in his Foreign Affairs article “Rethinking the Middle East” when “[the] state then disintegrates into a chaos of squabbling, feuding, fighting sects, tribes, regions and parties.”

The thrust of the article argues that “the West and Islam have been engaged in a titanic ‘clash of civilizations’ and that the US should take a hard line against all Arab countries.”

Then in 1996 Lewis’ protege, Richard Perle, is lead author on a position paper for Benjamin Netanyahu entitled “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm” that advocates abandoning the previous peace process in favour of destabilizing Syria and Iraq and exploiting mid-east tensions.

After 9/11 Richard Perle becomes a chief architect of “The global war on terror” and with it came things like “slam dunk” WMDs in Iraq (which were never found) and the Saddam Hussein / bin Laden axis (which did not exist). Today, Iraq is in shambles and not a single WMD was ever found there. Anybody who read former UN weapon’s inspector Scott Ritter’s “War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn’t Want You To Know“, published more than a year ahead of the Iraq invasion, already knew that there were no WMD there. Everybody now has the hindsight to see that the entire Iraq war was premised on lies but few talk about it in polite company.

Canada Gets With the Program…

One could argue that “peace keeping”, in the context we are all supposed to understand it (creating a multi-national coalition in a hot spot to prevent a global thermonculear war from erupting) was a Canadian invention with Lester Pearson’s solution to the Suez Crisis which earned him the Nobel Peace Prize.

In those days, both major parties would be headed by leaders with strong convictions about what was “the right thing to do” for the world at large and for Canada as a nation. Whether it was Pearson’s aforementioned statesmanship during the Suez Crisis or Deifenbaker’s stance, very much ahead of its time, on the issue of South African Apartheid. As a nation we seemed to have some kind of functional moral compass which had important divergences from both our UK and US “allies”.

Today, not so much.

While Chretien did manage to keep Canada out of the disastrous and criminal invasion of Iraq, he did join in the occupation of Afghanistan, which seemed a turnkey, off-the-shelf intervention just waiting for an excuse to happen. Ostensible reasons for the invasion aside (i.e. like that it was actually legal), the one big outcome of the invasion (and our participation in it) has been the steady increase in heroin output of that country ever since.

 

 

On a parallel track to neo-Con flavoured designs on a “new American Century” south of the border, the co-opting of Canadian diplomacy began in earnest during the 90’s with the country’s largest corporate interests positioning for a “Grand Bargain” with the US, it was once again 9/11 that provided the catalyst for putting these policy tracks into overdrive.

The Canadian Council of Chief Executives (CCCE) sent a delegation to Washington in April 2003 where they received their marching orders from US overseers, namely DHS Secretary Spencer Abraham and (once again) Richard Perle (congenially known within the beltway by now as “The Prince of Darkness”). The latter delivered a particularly moving lecture* to the corporate elite in attendance that Canada had to unambiguously “get with the program” and step up as an unwavering ally of US foreign policy. This included dramatically increasing military and security commitments.  This was framed as the “ante” for having the next round of Free Trade talks with the USA. (*detailed in Ricardo Grinspun and Shamsin Yamsie’s “Who’s Canada? Continental Integration, Fortress North America, and the Corporate Agenda“)

The meeting is considered a defining moment in Canada/US relations. The Paul Martin Liberals quietly adopted the CCCE agenda and which was then embraced more aggressively by Team Harper.

Again we have the incumbent parties following the same path, largely dictated by an external power along which we find ourselves today: party to the latest military engagement in Syria, actively complicit in ubiquitous surveillance both at home and abroad and none of it open to discussion, debate or alternatives among the citizens of Canada.

ISIS did not arrive on a comet from deep space

To borrow a phrase coined by David Stockman in his book about the (mal)response to the 2008 Gobal Financial Crisis, “ISIS did not arrive on a comet from deep space”.

Rather, they are the consequences of deliberately executed campaigns of intervention and subversion designed to produce exactly the kind of humanitarian crisis occurring now. Granted, it gets messy when the fallout from grand stratagems fail to confine themselves to the target countries of Syria, Iraq and Iran, but these “deep-policy” ideologues have a track record for underestimating “blowback”.

The rise of ISIS then, is hardly surprising. Nor is their meteoric ascent within their sphere of operations. For decades, we’ve been usurping any democratically elected governments in the target countries, instead propping up strongmen and authoritarian regimes, inducing various factions into war with each other (supplying both sides), dropping and droning bombs from the sky and occasionally stepping in with boots-on-the-ground military invasions.

Now we’re shocked when another reactionary, fundamentalist, West-hating movement steps into the vacuum?

Former NATO Secretary Generals Javier Solana and Jaap de Hoop Scheffer lamented that any further intervention and escalation in Syria would have precisely the opposite effects of their ostensible intentions:

“Rather than secure humanitarian space and empower a political transition,Western military engagement in Syria is likely to provoke further escalation on all sides, deepening the civil war and strengthening the forces of extremism, sectarianism and criminality gaining strength across the country. The idea that the West can empower and remotely control moderate forces is optimistic at best. Escalation begets escalation and mission creep is a predictable outcome if the West sets out on a military path [emphasis added].”

Today in Syria, the situation tragically comic as the West supplies it’s “anti-Assad rebels” with weapons, who often end up switching allegiances to ISIS.

The truth is that what Solana & Scheffer were cautioning against has been going on since  at least 1949 (the date of the first of six Western engineered military coup d’etats in Syria) and what we have today is the result of it.

Conclusion: Sooner or later….

“Sooner or later, everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences…” – Robert Louis Stephenson

So if you really want to make “refugees” the election issue “du jour”, one can waste a lot of time watching the mainstream incumbent parties bicker over the “right” number of refugees to allow into Canada or how much taxpayer money to throw at aid, or even whether more Canadian “boots on the ground” should be headed over there on various “peace keeping” escapades.

OR,

You could ask the really hard hitting questions like

  • Why is there a refugee crisis in the first place?
  • Would there be one if Western foreign policy wasn’t one of destabilization and subversion going back for decades?
  • Could what we call “terrorism” possibly be an asymmetric response to our pre-emptive (and often brutal, often bloody, often murderous) subversion of foreign governments whom we deem unfavourable to our interests?

And, given the newer data points such as 1) the arrival of Russia’s military in Syria and 2) Canada’s deployment of military trainers to the Ukraine, another good question could be

  • Would you mind very much if we got into a shooting war with Russia?

Finally:

  • Given Canada’s complicity in this mess, both under Conservatives and Liberal regimes, should either of those parties be taken seriously in their earnest looking hand wringing?

The major parties are happy to serve up easily digestible over-simplified “solutions” to these election issues.

It takes a Libertarian to ask the truly relevant, albeit uncomfortable questions like “what was our part in it?” and to face the unpleasant facts that our society, our country isn’t an ubermoral saviour to these “Arab savages” rending their own societies apart, but that we are were actually complicit in implementing and profiting from policies and actions that helped cause it and we are collectively happier to be ignorant of that.

Now you can wonder how many of these refugees we should take in.

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Mark Jeftovic is the Libertarian Party candidate for Parkdale / High-Park in the upcoming federal election.

 

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Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:35 | 6529149 TruxtonSpangler
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Its another manufactured pretext to invade. Syria, youre up!

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:36 | 6529152 CaptainAmerika
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the Mayan calendar predicted very specific stock movements, television news ratings, and shockingly precise interest rate levels http://www.philiacband.com/propaganda.html

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:59 | 6529204 Tortuga
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I thought the Muslims invented 0.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:02 | 6529215 Buster Cherry
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No offense Truxton, but you bear an uncanny resemblance to Chelsea Clinton's biological father.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:09 | 6529234 logicalman
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You are obviously not referring to Bill!

What are you implying?

 

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:19 | 6529267 NoPension
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Hubbell.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 22:56 | 6529816 TruxtonSpangler
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I take offense to that. Not even close.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:12 | 6529245 LasVegasDave
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Real shortage of men in western civilisation. The appropriate response to the refugee crisis is gunboats.  Let the Arab countries take their own people.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:40 | 6529317 Calmyourself
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I hate to do it but must agree.  Sunni or Shia they all have their hands in these destabilizations nearly as much as the US and Israelis.  Where is the Red Crescent now?  Btw:

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/10/16/new-york-times-reports...

http://www.examiner.com/article/wmd-found-iraq-after-all-bush-was-right-...

http://www.inquisitr.com/1309825/isis-in-iraq-find-saddam-husseins-wmd-s...

 

 

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:05 | 6529221 logicalman
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If it will distract the masses from the real issues, TPTB will be all over it.

I find that if you filter MSM 'news' with that in mind, things just fall into place.

You have to read the 'news' to know what you are supposed to think.

 

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:38 | 6529156 Syameimaru
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Merely remembering that ISIS has been occupying land since 2014 kind of blows a hole in America's claim to be making the world safe for democracy. The narrative is starting to crumble.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:42 | 6529165 Xibalba
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Football is coming....no one will care

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:40 | 6529162 Runs-With_Toast
Wed, 09/09/2015 - 21:28 | 6529499 TuPhat
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That's a good article.  Thank you.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:41 | 6529163 Mostly Harmless
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Isn't it amazing how many of the "Syrian Refugees" look to be of AFRICAN descent?  Those of INDIAN and PAKISTANI background seem to be well represented to!  

Women must do most of the fighting, as it sure does seem like most of the refugees are men.  Cultural differences, I guess.

I had no idea Syria was home to such a rich, progressive, and culturally diverse society!

The west should step up and take in those fleeing the carnage caused by Assad and Russia's ISIS forces.

We should start by dropping maps across Syria.  Way too many of the refugees are going the long way and being picked up off the Italian, Spanish, and French coasts.  I've even heard of some reaching the Canary Islands…so maybe we'll drop a compass or two. 

Next will start bombing ISIS and its supporters - especially the Kurds in Turkey and Iraq (They have gotten a free pass for far too long!).

Once the military might of ALL (I'm looking at you Turkey) NATO countries and the idle militaries of our Middle Eastern allies are brought to bear, ISIS can be wiped off the map and the civil war in Syria can be brought to a swift close.

We may not even need to pull the air forces of NATO and Middle Eastern allies out of mothballs to win in Syria.  If western media is correct about the total number of refugees who have arrived and are arriving in Europe and the U.S., we may actually be able to end this horrid war by just emptying the country!

No doubt and once the war is over ('cause there's no one left for Assad and the Russians to shoot at), Syrian refugees will return to Syria, re-name it "Freedomstan", and build a tolerant multicultural utopia such the world has never seen!  

My five and ten-year-old girls will benefit from the cultural enrichment that these Syrian refugee men can offer, so I'm gonna do my part by taking in three or four.  I hope others will open their hearts, homes, and country to!

 

/Sarcasm Off

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:58 | 6529200 Tortuga
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Ah, it's to late for the "West to step up".

http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/growing-chorus-across-u-s-no-more-refugees/

See post above for how they spend their days off while on the welfare train, on our dime.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:09 | 6529233 847328_3527
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It's a good link you cite. My Walmart at night is full of them. Where'd they all come from and how come none of then are working? I asked a local reporter, "why not do a story about the hundreds of africans who have been relocated here by someone?" She said they are not allowed to report about that...orders from high up.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:51 | 6529363 Mostly Harmless
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Yea, I grew up in Northern Virginia.  It's an interesting place now.  Half are native born government drones or working for corporations sucking off the government teat, while the other half looks like Asia and Central America took a dump.  I will say it is funny to see the Indian (dot) men with their wives and children walking about 6 yards behind the husbands…or riding in the back of the car while the front passenger seat is open.  Brave New World, I guess.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 00:25 | 6530042 RichardParker
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Tortuga:

After reading the WND article, all I kept thinking was, "This seems like a GREAT way to change the voting outcomes for electoral college districts"

 

 

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 03:07 | 6530277 NeoRandian
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Yeah, refugees are an election issue insofar as they can be used to swing elections in two ways: one in straight votes, and two you work up the people's sympathies with dead babies front page news then pass billions of dollars of pork refugee aid that passes straight through to your SuperPACs.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:42 | 6529164 Chuck Knoblauch
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Don't watch any more debates.

The Donald wants his cut.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:03 | 6529193 Tortuga
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No.

the Donald wants a cut from stations whose viewers goes from 6 to millions when he's on for: wait for it

For

Veterans.Ain't he nice.

Everybody should watch the debates. The only one not getting paid to show up is Trump, else why are there 16 other participants. Senator Cruz has 50 or so millions and the Shrub II a 100 million or so.

Whose money or those other 14 spending?

 

 

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:42 | 6529326 Chuck Knoblauch
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Don't assume Donald is paying for this run.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:46 | 6529170 TSA Thug
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Canada? Seriously? Aren't there like 3 people there and the rest are moose?

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:05 | 6529219 algol_dog
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Laugh now, but there may be a time you wish you were one of those 3 people. Or just anywhere but here ...

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:12 | 6529242 logicalman
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There's something wrong with being a long way from most of humanity??!!

Mars ain't far enough.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 09:19 | 6530730 Grinder74
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And of those 3 people, four are Sikh, six are Mooslum (in full burqa no less), two white, and 1 black.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:49 | 6529176 Tortuga
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Or one could learn, instead of ask questions nobody gives a shit about because the kingdoms and 10's of thousands of princes are smart enough not to let any of them into their country, living on their dime, like the US of A does.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/growing-chorus-across-u-s-no-more-refugees/

Or how they spend their welfare funded off time;

http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/terrorist-posing-as-refugee-nabbed-by-cops/

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/346059

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/09/middleeast/al-baghdadi-isis-slave/inde...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-09/guest-post-so-you-really-want-m...

 

 

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:09 | 6529177 nmewn
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Now we’re shocked when another reactionary, fundamentalist, West-hating movement steps into the vacuum?

Well, I don't know about all the west hating.

They kinda sorta hate Shiites, Assad, Putin, Yazidis, Christians, atheists, gheys, women "folk", Japanese, Kurds, Saudis, Jordanians and of course jooo's.

The author has set out with a premise in search of a reality.

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Wut?

The guy is running for public office in Canada, supposedly as a libertarian (note small L) when he's not running his business hawking domain names, when he's not refusing domain names to someone who wants a particular domain name, while instructing ALL who wish to business with him that he will only accept "one form of currency" as payment for services rendered.

That is to say, one supposes he will not accept Canadian fiat or pension if elected in order to stand by his "principles" and not look like the fucking leftwing (small L) hypocrite he actually is...lol.

http://blog.easydns.org/2014/04/01/bitcoin-payments-are-now-mandatory/ 

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:17 | 6529256 StuntPope
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That post you cited is an April Fool's joke. You knew that, right?

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:38 | 6529312 nmewn
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Well I know it now, his article was a fucking joke too.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 21:46 | 6529564 TBT or not TBT
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In any case, screw the mostly young male Muslim "refugees"    Even The local Arab countries know not to take a single one.  

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 21:53 | 6529596 nmewn
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Exactly.

I understand we're painting with a large brush when we say that (and I really don't give a shit) but their "Muslim brothers" are painting with the very same brush.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:17 | 6529257 StuntPope
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That post you cited is an April Fool's joke. You knew that, right?

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:17 | 6529259 logicalman
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Let's just run a thought experiment.....

Where you live is having the shit bombed out of it, through no fault of your own......

Not that far away there are places where no bombs are dropping......

Hmmm.... What should I do?

Stay here and get blown to fuck, or take a chance at hiking it to the place lacking in falling ordnance?

Be honest with yourself

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:41 | 6529321 nmewn
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I'm seeing a lot of able bodied young men taking a hike and begging others to put them up. I just can't relate to that.

Honestly.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:45 | 6529335 Calmyourself
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Hell yeah I leave!!  Of course if I am Syrian I leave Grandma, Granpa (both sides), the three wives and my fifteen fucking brats to fend for themselves, you too right, be honest with yourself... The white women in Bavaria  like the brown stuff. Holy shit dude that is one weak ass argument you got, give it a vitamin or something....

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:55 | 6529375 logicalman
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I try to avoid getting into a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

I'll just leave it there.

 

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 21:01 | 6529394 Calmyourself
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Ohh, now that stung..  So you would leave the entire family there and hightail it to Germany in your Calvin klines with your oh so sporty boat shoes and smart phone, okay then, weve got that settled...

"UNHCR data confirms it: 75% of the so-called refugees arriving in Europe are MEN"

Where is grandma, reloading her AK and tossing grenades at ISIS of course..

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 21:20 | 6529467 logicalman
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You have no fucking idea,

I don't have a car, a cellphone, a credit card or debt.

I do however have a sense of what is right and what is wrong, which seems to be rare these days.

 

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 21:28 | 6529498 nmewn
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I have a deep sense of right & wrong too. How many Syrian & Iraqi Christians do you believe the US has accepted as refugees?

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 21:58 | 6529611 lasvegaspersona
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Glen Beck has been on that issue...originally the State Department said none...then 'some'..but later.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:40 | 6529314 ThroxxOfVron
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"The guy is running for public office in Canada, supposedly as a libertarian (note small L) when he's not running his business hawking domain names, when he's not refusing domain names to someone who wants a particular domain name, while instructing ALL who wish to business with him that he will only accept "one form of currency" as payment for services rendered. "

 

+1

Nice job digging up the backstory on Mr. small L.

Things can look so very different depending upon what angle you view them from...

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:46 | 6529340 nmewn
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Well THAT joke was on me.

Still, he's refusing to register certain domain names and as soon as he say's he will accept no government pension or salary for his altruistic government work...lol...maybe I'll reconsider.

As far as the ME, he's myopic.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 21:42 | 6529554 Taint Boil
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Of course you meant a lower case “L” not a small “L”..........

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 21:49 | 6529580 nmewn
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Yes, I have to make constant textual exceptions in my prose for the progs (foreign & domestic) in attendance who might mistake the (l) for an I (as in eye).

It'd be a lot easier on me if we could just shoot them ;-)

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:54 | 6529188 JustObserving
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Stephen Harper Promotes War in Syria as a “Solution to the Refugee Crisis”


Harper’s position is consistent with that of Obama, Cameron, Hollande and other western leaders who have tried to rebrand a neo-colonial war of aggression against  sovereign states as a “humanitarian” intervention. Western leaders know that there is no stomach for their military adventures in the Global South among the working people in their own countries. So they repackaged their regime change operation in Syria and their continuing attempt to balkanize Iraq into warring statelets by spinning them as an attempt to wipe out the bad guys in ISIS.

The truth is, of course, that ISIS is a US asset. The USA created it to destabilize Iraq and Syria as part of its plan to redraw all the borders of the Mideast which were established in the wake of WW1. The US and its coalition partners have no intention “to degrade and destroy ISIS.” As in the former Yugoslavia and Afghanistan, terrorist mercenaries provide for the US coalition the expendable “boots on the ground” to attack its enemies and, at the same time, provide a pretext for the continuing US military presence in Iraq as well as for regime change in Syria. The immediate Western plan is merely to contain ISIS. The long term strategy of the US empire is hegemonic. Syria and Iraq are stepping stones to weaken Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Islamic Republic of Iran, objectives which coincidentally benefit the State of Israel. Hezbollah and Iran, in turn, are stepping stones to the subjugation of Russia and China.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/stephen-harper-promotes-war-in-syria-as-a-s...

 

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 02:28 | 6530238 MSimon
Thu, 09/10/2015 - 03:19 | 6530291 NeoRandian
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Yeah, pretty smart. Whites, blacks and latinos got tired of fighting muslims, so America said "Why not trick the muslims into fighting muslims? We'll even run a bunch of stories to inspire muslims living in the west to sign up through facebook to go blow themselves up over there; decrease our welfare books by a bit."

I mean, if MY website was a recruiting tool for an actual terrorist organization not sanctioned by the US Government, how long do you think it would last? But 'ISIS' recruiters can just chat up whoever they want on Facebook and Twitter?

And of course there was the magical 500 million in cash just sitting around waiting to be stolen. All the weapons that were just abandoned. And the multi billion dollar program to train moderate syrian rebels to fight ISIS that resulted in 60 trained and I guess the rest of the cash/weapons just funneled to Bagdadi himself.

 

Who writes this shit anyway? Some talented script writers working at highest levels of government.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:55 | 6529192 algol_dog
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Lucky for the author he is Canadian, as there can be "consequences" of such diatribes in America.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:59 | 6529203 Buster Cherry
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So You Really Want To Make "Syrian Refugees" An Election Issue?

Only if they can be used as cheap labor for decorating streetlamps with our politicians.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:20 | 6529270 logicalman
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Won't need cheap labour for that, there will be too many volunteers.

Better to set up a lottery to choose those who will get to pull the trap-door lever. Could make yourself a fortune with the exclusive rights to that!

 

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:01 | 6529210 The Indelicate ...
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"Since the end of WW2, the European continent and in particular Western European nations, have undergone a devastating demographic attack on an unprecedented scale that will lead to the indigenous European populations becoming minorities in the homelands of their ancestors by the end of this century.

What is the motivation for this demographic genocide of the European people? Why is it necessary to totally destroy beyond repair the racial and cultural makeup of an entire continent and race of people?

The answer can be seen in the disturbing plans for the genocide of the German people written by Theodore Kaufman (Jew) in a book called ‘Germany Must Perish’ written in 1940, a year before America entered the Second World War. And by Ernest Hooton in an article headlined “Breed War Strain Out of Germans.”

...
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https://smashculturalmarxism.wordpress.com/2015/02/03/genocidal-kaufman-...

Zionist Jew Barbara Specter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QU7IoDoVX4

How and why Sweden became multicultural
https://www.destroyzionism.com/2013/01/13/how-and-why-sweden-became-mult...

One cannot completely and totally oppose the EU, without mentioning its anti-European agenda, the origins of which are undeniably and self-evidently Jewish, as are the staunchest promoters of a dysgenic, anti-European: 'United States of Europe', today and historically.
http://englishnews.org/news-central/resources/resource-a-conclusive-repo...

"In “Attitudes on Immigration,” I looked at how Jewish attitudes differ depending on whether Jews are a minority or the majority in a population. In European-majority nations, they tirelessly promote open borders; in Israel, they build big fences and drape them with razor-wire. One of the Jewish journalists I looked at was Emma Barnett of the Telegraph, who wrote the following about the aggressive, low-IQ Blacks and Muslims currently trying to force their way into Britain via the French port of Calais:"

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/08/emmas-dilemma-defend-europe...

What if all the "canards" were {partly, or mostly} TRUE?

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:24 | 6529284 logicalman
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White Europeans thought they had the right to the lands of those with a little more dermal melanin and used violent methods to steal the aforementioned lands.

Now, the people of those lands are returning the compliment.

Payback's a bitch.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:48 | 6529349 Calmyourself
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They are damn lucky you and yours voted in the politicians they got running the show in the EU.  If some of the people I know were in office it is an mre and boat ride back to Asia Minor bitches..

Plentiful dermal melanin entitles them to less vitamin D production nothing more..

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:51 | 6529357 Longshot
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The white Europeans wanted to exploit the natural resources, and while they did use deplorable means, there was no intention of wiping out their cultures by outbreeding them in their own lands. Also, is there anyone in Europe now that was responsible for the aforementioned actions? Do two wrongs make a right? Why do you have such schadenfreude for Europeans of present day?

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 02:23 | 6530235 MSimon
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"Since the end of WW2, the European continent and in particular Western European nations, have undergone a devastating demographic attack on an unprecedented scale that will lead to the indigenous European populations becoming minorities in the homelands of their ancestors by the end of this century.

 

What do you call people so stupid that they let this be done to them? What do you call people so stupid that they decided not to reproduce?

 

Stupid.

 

They deserve what they have done to themselves. And that is how it should be.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:03 | 6529217 The Indelicate ...
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Professor believes the Irish will be an ethnic minority in Ireland by 2050
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/Professor-believes-the-Irish-w...

Irish pastor to be prosecuted for calling Islam a satanic belief
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/Irish-pastor-to-be-prosecuted-...

Of course, had he remarked that Rabbinical Judaism is a "Satanic" belief - he'd already be in jail.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:16 | 6529253 847328_3527
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The politicans claim they need young immigrant labor [that screws like rabbits] since native citizens are not reproducing fast enough; namely, educated wealthy citizens/people know better then to have 5 kids. How about giving more incentives to native Swedes, Germans, etc to have kids instead of trafficing immigrants with wildly different values/culture in on the back of Wars?

 

Will Durant, Gibbon and many others describe in colorful, if not bloody, detail how this worked out for the Roman Empire when they let the Barbarians in.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:30 | 6529289 logicalman
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PLEASE WAKE UP, PEOPLE.

Race, Religion, Country....

They are all bullshit concepts used to keep the 'ordinary' folk confused and distracted.

Watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQf-PZWFMzY

Then get back to me regarding countries.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:51 | 6529365 Calmyourself
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Ewik, did you activate a new name??  You tricky little bitch.  Read up on the real and crucial differences culture not race makes, no sentient person cares about race, all with a brain care deeply for culture.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 21:44 | 6529563 TuPhat
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That was BS to the Max.  The video shows border lines being redrawn, nothing about Race, Religion or Country (country is the people and culture not boundary lines).  What you call bullshit concepts are probably the only human things that really matter.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 02:14 | 6530230 MSimon
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The Brits were notorious for redrawing borders:

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-07/bed-despotic-house-saud#comment...

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 02:46 | 6530253 mog
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In Britain only the rich and those on benefits can afford kids.

Those on benefits - largely eythnic breed like no tomorrow - receiving massive extra largesse for doing so.

The working working class and the ordinary middle class can't afford them.

Taxed blind to keep the benefit class and lumbered with 30 years of debt slavery for a glorified bedsit in a grotty area as house prices and rents are soaring to extortionate and astronimical levels due to a housing shortage.

Britain is full

80,000,000 according to the supermarkets far more believable than the lies from the government.

All in a little island the size of a small US state.

But Cameron leaves our borders pen.

4 million Poles and Eastern Europeans - more everyday - in leass than ten years - all being given free houses and all our benefits.

Our healthcare whish is collapsing, our schools overwhelmed.

Add to that millions of islamics.

London now majority non Brit.

8 of our other major cities the same.

Millions across the country - mainly living off the middle class - the rich just dodge the tax.

The ordinary working couple can't afford kids - simple as that.

Now Cameron plans on tens of thousands of Syrians coming in.

His plans are grandiose.

Start emptying the Syrian camps straight into Britain.

Cut out the middle man.

And at the last election 87% of Brits voted for more of it.

Lemmings.

Nuts

 

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 03:22 | 6530300 NeoRandian
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I don't understand laws against 'hate' speech at all. There's already been plenty enough written in history. Like a little more is really going to make a difference.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:05 | 6529222 q99x2
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some kind of functional moral compass

Great quote by Stevenson. Corporations and their interlinking organizations do not have any structure for morality since they are not individuals. As proved over and over by war after war if there are not moral decisions being made the wars progress into world wars and it is not possible to survive a world war. Any known bunkers will be periodically nuked. There will be no survivors. The ironic solution is that the world must have a military that is able to go after the people personally that are providing funding for military operations. It is possible that some of the immigrant refugees being spread throughout the world  might take action against such people for destroying their loved ones, relatives and nations.

ISIS did not arrive on a comet from deep space --CONFIRMED.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:36 | 6529306 logicalman
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I was fortunate to be brought up by good parents.

My dad would be considered a libertarian by most on ZH and my mum was definitely an anarchist.

When I was 14 (1969) I remember my dad saying that trans-national corporations would one day destroy the world.

 

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 02:12 | 6530229 MSimon
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I detect a contradiction:

The ironic solution is that the world must have a military that is able to go after the people personally that are providing funding for military operations.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 03:28 | 6530306 NeoRandian
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Yeah, you can base your logic on morals or money. Basing it on money always ends the same way: a whole lot of death.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:06 | 6529226 venturen
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yada, yada, yada...the US is bad and people like Saddam etc are the good guys. What foolish drival. 

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:09 | 6529232 Dre4dwolf
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Lets just take Greece for an example:

Lesbos a greek island is currently being over-run by Muslim refugees fleeing all the failing Muslim states in the middle east, these "refugees" are looting, destroying property, harming citizens, rioting, causing general chaos.

If the tables were ever reversed and Greek Orthodox Christians fled the island of Lesbos to turkish beaches/Muslim lands, they would almost certainly be shot on sight by the Turkish military/Muslims.

So Greeks are taking in people (instead of shooting them on sight) but if the tables were reversed these same people they are tolerating/helping would probably be shooting at them/cutting their heads off and making youtube videos about it.

 

Thats issue number 1.

 

Issue Number 2

Isn't this the U.N.'s problem? like isn't it their job description to go around helping people/providing humanitarian help?/relocating people out of disaster zones/warzones to safety locations etc....? where is the U.N. in all of this???? 

Why do we even have a U.N.??? its clearly not doing anything but pissing people off and costing money, might as well shut the damned thing down.

 

Issue Number 3

If this is going to be an election issue (if we even make it to the next elections at this rate), atleast talk about the facts, not a bunch of BS.

There are more pressing issues than this to debate, but like always the Media needs to make up a good story , fill it with bogus morality and emotion so the dumb dumbs vote for the candidate they paint in the best light.

 

 

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 21:20 | 6529466 Wahooo
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You did not state an Issue 1. Do you mean to say the issue is whether to adopt a policy of eye for eye? Because you aren't - and shouldn't - impose your policy on Turkey, it being a sovereign country.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:18 | 6529264 Thirtyseven
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I support some Libertarian principles, but reject others.  White Nationalism seems like pretty good middle ground these days.  Scandinavian style Socialism? Free Markets? High taxes? Low taxes?  Whatever, I just want my grandkids to be able to experience some form of civilization.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:20 | 6529269 Schroedingers Cat
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Meh...   After Russia does away with ISIS and Al Qaeda all the refugees will leave Europe and go back home.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:34 | 6529301 Thirtyseven
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//sark?

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 22:39 | 6529740 401K of Dooom
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Hi Schroedingers Cat, can you give me your "exact" position?  Thank you.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 21:50 | 6529587 MSimon
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If we peer behind the veil of mainstream media oversimplification we find that the humanitarian crisis we are faced with today are the straight line consequences of a decades-old policy on the part of the West (defined as the US, the UK, Israel and including complicit Canada) to subvert and destabilize the very nations that are submerged in civil war and strife.

 

The Brits have been at it longer.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-07/bed-despotic-house-saud#comment...

 

And why are the Euros exempt from criticism?

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 22:02 | 6529597 Escapeclaws
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Abortion as Metaphor

ISIS Is the scalpel, western civilization is the unborn child. Germany is the "calvarium"--to use Planned Parenthood teminology--which is getting crushed in this partial birth abortion.

The most advanced countries on Earth are struck dumb by this and are as helpless as an unborn child whose bloody fate awaits. The supreme irony of it all!

BLOOD FOR BLOOD

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 22:26 | 6529695 401K of Dooom
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Hey everybody, here's all you need to know about Canada.  If you outlaw pederasty, Canada is for it, so they can show that they are more progressive, hip, avant-garde or neater than everybody.  In particular, thye hate the United States with so much force, they will come to our country, acquire education, get employment better than any conservative Cacausian will see in his lifetime and live in a more secure environment (unless he/she/it is dumb enough to go into a city or someplace in the country with meth labs) and hate our success.  Mind you they are enjoying a standard of living that we provide for them.  We should send them to live in Mexico and let them live with the really nice people.  I watched Canadian programming while living in the midwest and could not for the life of me understand how a former crown colony could get so screwed-up! 

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 22:49 | 6529784 Bazza McKenzie
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Largely nonsense.  No one would be flooding to Europe and US were it not for the free goodies given indefinitely to all who make it.

Cut off the freebies and there will be no flood.  Simple as that.

And no hordes of illegals would be flooding into Europe and US if politicians in those countries defended their borders as any of their predecessors up to late 20th century would have done.

Also note that ME and Africa populations are growing far faster than the West because they are surviving much more than historically thanks to Western aid, medicine and technology.  Naughty, naughty West.

Sure some US and other Western politicians have done bad things in Africa, ME, etc, just as they have in Europe.  And many local leaders/fanatics have done even worse things in those parts of the world.

The attempt to turn a simple supply/demand equation into a morality commentary shows total absence of critical thinking capacity.

Wed, 09/09/2015 - 22:55 | 6529811 Watchingtheweasels
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No one who isn't completely familiar with the term "Hijrah" should be allowed within a half mile of middle east policy.  Hijrah is jihad by immigration.  It means moving to a land to bring Islam there.  This isn't a refugee crisis, this is an invasion.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 02:06 | 6530221 MSimon
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So what is the chief tool of these "planners"? Hate. They exploit hate.

 

How do you beat them? Get people to stop hating each other.

 

If this board is any indication:

 

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 05:05 | 6530362 AlfredNeumann
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Who foments the hate?  The USA/Israel with their false flag attacks and pinning it on Muslims.

 

''Those who go outside of their borders to wage wars of aggression and conquest, will suffer extreme collective karmic retrbution'' - Nichiren Daishonin -year 1253 AD.

Nam-Myo-Ho-Renge-Kyo

What goes around comes around.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 05:08 | 6530363 AlfredNeumann
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You have never answered my question..

I will posit it one more time.

Why does Israel ban Soka Gakkai International ??

http://www.sgi-usa.org

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 03:26 | 6530304 BlackVoid
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It is fashionable to ignore the elephant in the room: OVERPOPULATION.

Look up any chart on the population of MENA countries. Itis growing at a very fast pace and now has reached the limits in many countries.

Yes, there would be civil war and a refugee crisis even without western intervention. Intervention only triggered this sooner.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 04:00 | 6530326 Radical Marijuana
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I agree, BlackVoid.

E.g., Saudi Arabia's population grew from about 1 million to about 30 million due to petroleum resources, which are finite ... What is supposed to happen when those petroleum resources become depleted? How are 30 million plus people supposed to keep on living in a desert, after the petroleum is depleted?

From that perspective, although I thought that the article above was relatively good, the sentence that I most disagreed with was:

... these “deep-policy” ideologues have a track record for underestimating “blowback”.

What ramifications follow from that the events on 9/11/2001 were an inside job, false flag attack, done by the "interventionists" in order to be able to intervene way more?

My view is that their plan is to continue to cause conditions to deliberately deteriorate the point where it will become possible for the "interventionists" to switch gears, by using enough weapons of mass destruction to kill hundreds of millions, if not billions. The "blowback" is NOT being "underestimated," it is being planned and counted on. That would include the domestic consequences in NATO countries, which would manifest during the times when the globalized "interventionists" were mass murdering hundreds of millions of people.

In my view, the "interventionists'" overall plan is based on further arrangements which will enable the mass murdering of the majority of the world's population. From that perspective, the "blowback" is not some kind of error, but rather, is deliberately developed as part of the overall plans for much more genocidal wars, along with democidal martial law. Therefore, in my view, the article above was relatively typical Zero Hedge material, in that it was superficially correct, but rather grossly understated the situation.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 07:07 | 6530427 Batman11
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Try remembering the looks of sheer panic on Hank Paulson's face in 2008.

Not everything is planned, the elites just aren't that clever.

They plan the first order covet operations, the consequences usually take them by surprise.

They believe their own lies.

We are "masters of the universe".

We forgot trickle down was a myth we invented, so we believe QE will work.

 

 

 

 

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 16:20 | 6532715 Radical Marijuana
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The public faces, like Hank Paulson, act as agents of powers which remain more hidden. But nevertheless, I basically agree that events are spinning out of control of all human beings, even including those who are the pyramidion people who perfected their abilities to control other people through backing up lies with violence for thousands of years.

The situation the ruling classes face now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkCEOSgLRt4

Zbigniew Brzezinski: It Is Infinitely Easier to Kill a Million People than it is to Control Them
Thu, 09/10/2015 - 03:30 | 6530312 TrumanShow
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Very interesting and entirely true. But do not then play the guilt card about saying I should accept refugees in my country because 'it's our fault anyway'. I did not vote for, or condone, any of these actions and neither did the majority of citizens in the UK. So for these same morally bankrupt politicians to now expect the normal citizen to have their job opportunities, wages, culture, communities smashed by this influx in order to satisfy any guilt they may have is a non starter.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 04:41 | 6530351 Peterus
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Why is there a refugee crisis in the first place?
- Quarter of it has to do with military meddling (the other quarter would come anyway, the other half comes from countries that were never hit like Nigeria)
Would there be one if Western foreign policy wasn't one of destabilization and subversion going back for decades?
- Yes
Could what we call “terrorism” possibly be an asymmetric response to our preemptive (and often brutal, often bloody, often murderous) subversion of foreign governments whom we deem unfavourable to our interests?
- There are clearly some legitimate partisan activities in Middle East (blowing soldiers with IEDs) and there is some terrorism (cutting heads, hiding behind or purposefully targeting civilians).

Now you can wonder how many of these refugees we should take in.
- Zero. They should be given refuge in closed camps and shipped back after the war is over. After all most Syrian refugees do exactly this, they are living of aid in nearby countries, waiting for war to end. Guys that want to leave their country behind and immigrate without being screened and approved in a regular way - they may be refugees but on top of that they are economic illegal migrants. Let them all apply for regular immigration process. If they pass the hurdles they can go (from Syria, or from a refugee camp - doesn't matter).

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 08:03 | 6530523 Catalonia
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1. Accept all refugees in need until they make up 1% of our population.

2. Deport the 1% most racist Europeans to Syria.

3. Europe is a better place.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 16:04 | 6532653 Voltaire
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STOP talking generally about the "WEST. The forces your are talking about are neocon-zionist. Kick them out of power and 99% of the wars, conflicts and humantarian disasters we are engaged in wil be avoided.  

Wed, 09/16/2015 - 20:24 | 6558362 nyuszika45
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sorry, dupe comment.

Wed, 09/16/2015 - 20:22 | 6558363 nyuszika45
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It is a pipe dream to think that anything will change until the money runs out..  It is not politicians that have been fuelling the conflicts since the early 20th century, no, make that the latter half of the 19th century, as it is all about money, period.  Okay, money and corporate spread internationally.  Politics are mere spray paint to cover the cash flow trail.  Like the M.E. where it is ALL about money, they use religion as a cover story; but that is a convenient and flimsy ruse as deals amongst certain and known "enemies" are done all the time for.... money and postures.  Forget "neocons" and suggestively anti-Semitic "zionists", you are buying the spray paint and not looking under the surface.

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