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Caught On Tape: Donald Trump Asked About Libertarianism
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
*Note: This post originally maintained Trump was saying “be careful” to Nick Gillespie, when in reality he seems to have been talking to others walking with him in the crowd with equipment. The post has been changed to reflect this realization.
Reason’s editor in chief Nick Gillespie recently caught up with Donald Trump on the campaign trail and asked him about libertarianism. This is what ensued:
This exchange is troubling from several different angles.
First off, Trump does his typical dance in which he avoids questions he doesn’t want to answer by giving a simplistic jingoistic response.
He is clearly uncomfortable with the question. Why?
Overall, the above exchange is kind of unnecessary since it’s abundantly clear Trump is anti-liberty and anti-freedom.
Let’s recall what he said should be done with Edward Snowden. From a Washington Times story in 2013:
Edward Snowden, the man at the heart of the NSA information leaks, is nothing but a “traitor” — and America ought to recreate history in dealing with him, real estate mogul Donald Trump said on a “Fox & Friends” interview.
In other words, execute him, Mr. Trump implied.
“I think Snowden is a terrible threat, I think he’s a terrible traitor, and you know what we used to do in the good old days when we were a strong country — you know what we used to do to traitors, right?”
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Way to go Trumps.
So, I guess that Krieger is saying that most of the other candidates would say that Snowden is a hero? Why not tell us what they all say?
And the other candidates might excoriate libertarianism? Give me a break! Who bought you off?
He was saying be careful as he negotiated a crowd with someone in his face with a microphone univited. Really moronic to use this video to make a point about anything other that what not to do as a reporter.
Totally agree. I'm not much of Trump fan but this story is a nothing burger.
Speaking of Libertarianism I'm still hoping Gary Johnson runs.
Come on, that dismissive, "A lot of good things, a lot of good things, I don't want to talk about it now," is pure political bullshit to which Trump supposedly stands in contrast.
The man could not come up with one quick line about the benefits of individual liberty off the top of his head? Of course he's got something else entirely on the top of his head and he hasn't explained what that is either.
The people understand Trump better than the establishment thinks, but the establishment had better understand that Trump is the peoples revenge.....
Name one thing Trump has ever done for "the people". Right, zero record of public service. Named "Least Charitable Billionaire". Everything he does is to stroke his big fat ego. It's nice to think that electing Trump would be a big middle finger to the establishment, but the reality is that he's already making deals with the establishment, otherwise he would run as a third party.
vlad, 0 record of public service..he's now got my vote LOL clueless is no way to go thru life vladdy and loose some weight.
I was thinking the same thing. I WANT a zero record of pulic service.
I want a zero record of PUBIC service (Larry "Wide Stance" Craig, Anthony "Selfie" Weiner et. al.)
Nobody who goes into this with zero record of public service is likely to take it up afterwards, IMHO
Public service. Like our PAID government employees have SACRIFICED so MUCH for us!
compared to whom, the ones you voted for?
mmmm, now that'll show those evil non-voters, right?
Whatever you do, dont take out of context what he implied by public service aka, charitable service to his fellow Americans (you know, if you actually read what he said), and confuse that with what you assumed it as - public service of screwing us thru politics.
You're right!
The politicians think "public service" is the same as "servicing the public"!
Your thinking in terms of politics like a good establishment drone. Government is fucked up and can't be fixed, so lets really fuck it up is the new rule.....
You guys think that just because McDonald's gets rid of Ronald and hires a new clown, they're suddenly going to serve you something better that same old soggy quarter pounder?
gotta remember that one-
what's the new clown's name...? donalr?
Name one thing Trump has done for the people?
Vlad - employ them?
"The Great White Nope."
I guess you can't spell.
Let me help....
e x p l o i t is how you spell what Tronald Dump is all about.
I am tired of politicians doing something for the people. fuck that. leave us alone and let us do our thing.
Well he fended off self destruction a lot longer than I thought he could do.
Thanks for the entertainment Donaldo.
lol
Why do ZH'ers still pay attention to politics. Billions and billions spent on a dog and pony show whose only purpose is to convince Americans they still have a choice....welcome to the 4th reich.
This is what you get when the punch bowl of candidates are all turds. The least smelly turd.
Peopla are always looking for a knight on a white horse to spare them from having to get their hands dirty.
Corporate America has used Fed.gov as a front for decades-if not longer. All they're about to do is make "official" That's all.
and Trumps'a likable enough New Yawker to pull it all off for them
Yup. This "article" wants to extrapolate from one comment to Trump's opinions on particle physics, the Big Bang theory, what women want, and the Koranic doctrine of abrogation. For gosh sakes. Is today a slow news day?
JEB
https://instagram.com/p/7YV_u_mhWB/
If I become president, everyone gets a free car.
If I become president, everyone gets a free car, with a really NICE stereo in it.
Going to design a "Car of the People"? like Hitler?
Oh, sure. That's Trump's position in a nutshell.
Please.
I bet he's back on his tv show soon.
Once the Hilda thing blows away.
Don't blame me.
I didn't vote for any of these false gods and psychopaths.
Amazing that even ZH'ers buy into the campaign rhetoric from yet another puppet wannabe president. GUYS, I know he says the right things, but let's recall, did anyone else say the right things and then do the exact opposite once in office?
Oh yeah, EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT IN HISTORY!!!
WAKE UP!
Who do you suggest?
"Who do you suggest?"
non-participation in the illusory democratic sharade...
try that for a change...
If you vote Dem you'll get more Pelosi/Reed/Shoemer and the other far left Bigger Gubmint/Moar Taxes crazies.
If you vote for Bush you'll get back Cheney, Rove, Wolfowitz etc. and obviously lots moar war.
Give Trump a chance.
"keep hope alive...."
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........
Progressives are behind ALL the wars and ALL the taxes.
There is no such thing as a constitutional conservative anymore.
D's and R's are all progressive criminals.
I still have not heard Trump say he will abolish the Federal Reserve and put criminal bankers and politicians in jail. When he does he will get my vote.
Grimaldus
If you vote you are complicit in the crimes of government.
and get another leftist moron? No thanks.
I would rather have an egotistical, bombastic person like Trump than another leftist communist like 0bama or Pelosi or Hitlery or Biden, etc.
Trump will F' up some things for sure but will at least start with the basics like closing our border and stopping the theft of our votes and our nation. We can build from there, another term of commie left and we will be shitting blood.
For fuck sake, how do you know he will? What are you 7 years old? I'm not an US citizen, I don't care, but the current asshole in the white house was also telling stories about closing Guantanamo. The bastard even got Nobel Prize, and started multiple wars!
That'll work great.
Voting's a tool. It's not as designed but there you are. The morons who sat out 2012 gave that Muslim-loving freak another four fucking years. Way to go, guys. At least you didn't sully yourselves by not voting! Yay.
Vote for the Wear Clean Underwear Party, for gosh sakes. Kill the mothertrucking Republican party for being the moderate wing of the Left Lunatic Party and for being absolute pussies.
Let's live in the world and take practical steps. Perfect solution? Far from it but better than sucking our thumbs in front of the TV on election day.
I always liked the Monster Raving Looney Party in UK.
http://www.loonyparty.com/about/policy-proposals/
Awww. You still think your vote actually counts, huh? That's adorable!
Next you'll be assuring us the Easter Bunny is real...
Who do you suggest?
How about nobody? Government is a farce. Free people with a firm grasp of history don't need leaders. Idiots do.
Let me know when you find those people. Maybe round them up at WalMart. The reason our government's treat their people like sheep is because that is the way they behave in total. Those truly paying attention are few in deed and those are the few that can live in your world. Lenin and Stalin understood this and sought to convert or eliminate those who did not conform through tyrannical dictatorship with the belief, much like yours, that at some point "the people" could and would be able to rule themselves. Of course it all depended on the absolute commitment to the State over ALL individual prerogatives. And as we know, the experiment failed completely with the powers of the State only growing and become more oppressive to compensate for its failure....just as we are ourselves today.
Study history and see that many many people were assassinated between Lincoln and Mckinley and they were virtually ALL anarchists doing the killing. We have seen freedom progress marvelously since then. The dream of a leaderless state has been the ideological destroyer of nations forever, and every success has been replaced with something far worse.
A firm grasp of history would remind us of how many have died for this dream...that has never been sustained. But we are now exceptional as we have smart phones .
there are none so blind as those who mistakenly think someone honest counts their vote.
and of course leaderles state is the only alternative you can imagine. a tightly bound state was intended and manifest 200 years ago, but we had to fuck it up by voting for liars whose quid pro quo was "more power to me, more empty promises to you".
but no, really, just keep imagining doing the same thing will have a better result, you self important sheep-of-the-voting-flock...
And there is no one more defeated than those who believe that everything is a conspiracy against THEM. A self admission of defeat. All that is left is to burn it all to the ground, right? Is that how you figure on winning? I suppose if you can't pay your mortgage, burning down your house offers the same pyrrhic victory?
Perfect.
Who uses the word "guys"
Well he also said he didn't want to talk to you right now and then you started grilling him with questions. So, I guess he took the liberty not to answer your questions.
And isn't that whatLibertarianism is all about: Telling everyone to piss off.
Yeah, and for good reason
Absolutely, I thought he was caught dropping a clanger, but instead we have a guy saying he doesn't want to talk about something multiple times before getting a trifle annoyed at someone for ignoring them.
The big news I think is the bit about refugees from him, that seems out of character with his recent message about putting Americans first and just shameless pandering to the media on the issue of the day - pricisely what the other candidates do all the time, this on the other hand is a total non story.
If Trump is a thug; what is 0bama or for that matter the entire democrat party?
The other side of the exact same shitty coin?
Is that JC in your pic?
If you have to ask...
I'd rather spend the evening with your avatar than his!
It certainly would be nice to see someone like Mrs Turmp as First Lady ... for a nice change! Polite, absolutely beautiful and appreciates being an American. What's not to like?!
At least Trump answers questions that the Media would never ask other candidates. The4 fact that the Left and Right media are after Trump's carcass makes me support The Donald even more.
I think we've dumbed down the electorit just enough now to see Trump win.
Obama wasn't a good enough example of that? Someone tell me if any candidate running could be worse than Obama?
Biden.
Biden was chosen for VP, to stop anyone with the thought, from reaching out and touching O.
When O says it was his best decision, he is right.
Biden, Hitlery, Jebbie, Sanders, Cruz, Warren, just for starters. Obama has explored corruption where no president has gone before - any of these asshats that follow are likely to attempt to double down on that.
I think we've dumbed down the electorit...
INDEED.
Every potential candidate on the Dem side are dumb as a post, outright socialists, some are perverts, some lie about their heiritage and one should be in Federal prison for life.
"Trump comes across like the thug he is."
Name anyone who's not a thug in the US political, financial or business establishment.
Just one name will do.
One.
Ron Paul 2016.
No one for 2016. Lead yourself.
Are you saying to pump lead bullets into ourselves? Not a bad suggestion at this point.
I don't need a leader, i would like him to come back into the race and try and talk some sense into Americans like he did in 2012.
Ron Paul let the RNC run roughshod over him. What a disappointment. At least Trump has the will to fight back.
First, you need to be enough of an asshole to GET elected.
Ghandi would never be nominated.
It's a unique set of circumstances and personality. Paul doesn't have it.
“I’ve been a congressman for 22 years. Just in the last year everything went to hell”.
Bet Ron coulda named a couple "good things". Careful.
seemed like a relatively innocuous sound bite.
Donald Trump is a dickhead. I don't care if he belongs to the Democrat, Republican, Whig, Free Soil, or whatever party.
He's a fucking silver-spooned degenerate. And an asshole. Did I mention he's a dickhead?
mr dickhead expert tsar..who in DC ain't?
Mr. Rogers for President!
You going to vote for him anyway?
I'm no Trump supporter, but let's get the facts right.
This wasn't a Q&A, he's walking through a crowd and doesn't want to get into a discussion about anything. He says there are "a lot of good things" about libertarianism. Then you can hear his security behind him say "watch out for that tripod", and then Trump says "be careful" - it wasn't a threat to the reporter.
It diminishes your argument when you stretch for something inflamatory. There's plenty of ammo if you want to disparage Trump, you don't have to make it up.
good post!
I wish he was asked what he thought about the Federal Reserve. The guy in the sunglasses behind Donald would have drawn his weapon.
Federal reserve Federal reserve Federal reserve.
99% of Americans don't know there is a Federal Reserve. Virtually nobody knows what they do, including the "governors".
like him or hate him, he is never dull, take a look at cankel's claiming she is so sorry for wiping 30,000 or so emails - sorry she says..just think of 4 yrs of this smelly privaliged cunt..trump will bring the sizzle don't know about the steak.
Not to mention the poor women she terrorized after Bill raped them.
She's sorry alright...
Sorry she got caught.
The problem I have with Trump is his remedy for China... He wants to raise tarrifs on Chinese imports!! becuase China is manipulating its currency lower (until recently). My question to Donald would be "So you believe a weak currency is benificial to the economy?"
Certainly worth repeating.
plunge got alot of china based equity do you? the best economic weapon we have is bringing back those jobs with tariffs .. do a little research on ave tariffs on american goods across our trading partners..it mite open your eyes, but like I am guessing you are paid to not see what is clear.
So you want government to control prices? I can see the upside in that. For the cronies. Me? I'll just have to pay more. And business will have less incentive to get more efficient.
If people are too stupid to protect themselves then there could be a case for protectionism. If we want to burn it to the ground by buying cheap foreign goods that we can only pay for with more debt, so be it. But at least quit blaming business which is ultimately only giving us what we ask for.
Go to Best Buy and DEMAND that they provide an American made TV for your purchase. If enough ask for it I promise you that they will provide it.
While I don't generally support government intervention in much of anything, but their constitutional mandates grant them this power far beyond the vast majority of the liberties they assume. Protectionist tariffs do not set prices, they simply add tariff to those imports that are priced below competitive American prices.
From the late 1800's to early in the 1900's, our government was almost completely funded by these protectionist tariffs and we had no business or payroll taxes. Today we tax our business at the highest rate in the world and tax every part of our productive assets AND labor, while foreign companies import without any of these costs. Further, these same foreign countries place HEAVY tariffs on our exports, plus China requires companies who import into China to make their patented technologies available. We are fucked so many ways that it is almost incalculable.
Trump is correct. We have been completely fucked over by this and we need someone to do a better job, as THAT IS THEIR JOB, to protect American citizens from foreign interests.
China is manipulating its currency?
Well, it's not like the US would do something like that, is it?
Are we really going to pretend that the only reason China is kicking our ass in world trade is currency manipulation? Sure, maybe relative to Korea or other low cost exporters, but America? Do we really care if it comes from China or someplace else, as long as they extend credit for our purchases. America can't compete...period.
THE ONLY THING IMPORTANT IS AN OPEN LINE OF CREDIT.
Greece didn't give a shit if they were competitive or not as long as Germany kept loaning them money to buy German production. Greece still sees their answer in credit, not competitiveness.
America is past worrying about cost. You can buy a new pickup for $60k and get it for no down, 0% interest and a 84 month loan. Who cares what it costs or where it came from?
The problem I have with Trump is his remedy for China... He wants to raise tarrifs on Chinese imports!! becuase China is manipulating its currency lower (until recently). My question to Donald would be "So you believe a weak currency is benificial to the economy?"
I know a lot of poster here like Trump as he seemed to be an untouchable, non conformist, fighting the evil state that is DC.
Shit like this Snowden thing, trying to make a third world country pay to build a multi billion dollar fence, the way he talks about women, like Carly. I am not her fan, but man, don't judge a person's quality on appearance.
I am starting to think this guy is making promises like the golf pro at the WH, but may end being worse in his ignorance than the current and previous 4 occupants of white house
what if our president had the face of betty white?
Maybe her face reminds him of the companies she burned to the ground? She could be a dime piece and still look nasty after what she did to Lucent and Compaq.
His responses appear to be wisdom like Peter Sellers in the movie 'being there'
"Then he said that I was to get my white ass out of here or he'd cut it."
Donald Trump's idea of Libertarian is a custom, special sundae at the Manhattan Cream Corner. (I mean "Dairy Queen" but he won't be associated with Megyn Kelly under any circumstances.)
No, Trump's idea of a Libertarian is a bimbo who puts books away. That's why he said "careful" to the followup. He thought he was being harrassed with stupid questions like the ones asked at Miss America contests.
No, Trumps idea of Libertarianism to call Bullshit on special interests, illegal aliens, one sided trade policies that benefit the international supercorporations. He admits to buying congressman and says its the way the world works. He doesn't say its right. Corruption, bruh, is not Libertarian. Managing Free Trade to be Free is.
"Lota good things"
"You wanna name one of 'em?"
"Careful" Careful? careful? What the fuck will he do? Head butt him to death with his hair helmet? Careful! Fuck you cocksucker.
At least Trump spoke ‘American’ unlike Jeb politicking in ‘Spaniel’.
I thought the language was called English.
I know the colonial types have fucked with the spelling, but it's still English that's spoken (mostly).
Yeah, American!
The Englanders who are not actors or news readers are unintelligible.
I suspect a good many people calling Trump a thug or whatever the perjoritive noun de-jour happens to be are really just frightened little childern afraid that their freebies will be taken from them. The thought of actually being expected to work and become responsible for their sordid little lives is uncomfortable to say the least. Better in their warped view to have mommy Clinton or daddy Bernie to give them what they want by taking it from someone else. They've had almost eight years of the magic half breed doing it for them and I suppose that addiction is hard to break. Tough shit. Time, actually long past time, for the adults to reassume control.
It's best you stop talking and go hold Trump's hand while he makes his next big donation to the Clinton Foundation... No need to fret; Daddy Trump will take goooood care of you!
How much do you think Hillary would require as a donation to the Clinton Foundation to back out of the race? I would be willing to contribute to that fund.
This is classic.
When I first read Hayek's "Road to Serfdom", there is a chapter entitled "Why the Worst Get on Top". It was a new idea to me at the time. But it got me to thinking about politics from that point of view. Then it all began to make sense.
I would expect no better from a Trump presidency.
I'm not sure about that. Some of the best I've had were not shy to be on top!
Jeb's wife is about 3'-0" tall. Doesn’t pedophile mean love of very short people?
Wifey has the frame of an Asian boy.
https://usatelections.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/ap-gop-2016-iowa_001.j...
I am confused. Who is the giant douche-bag and who is the shit sandwich?
Guess you'll have to consult Stan and Kyle.
enjoy peace now - while you've got it.
If The Donald takes over Washington, America will be in continuous wars for 8 years. Economic wars and bloodshed.
So, in other words, more of the same from the last 16 years.
primal says : continuous wars and bloodshed if trump gets in, where have you been the last decade or so??
But at least Hitlery is working well within the law, thank goodness.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/10/justice-department-rules...
Do we send her money now?
If the country elects this narcissist clown called Trump it will be stooping to new lows. Ok, Jeb and Hillary are lower than a snakes belly in a cart track but Trump is is a worm. Friends don't let friends vote for a demagogue.
So you'd rather have Jeb or Hillary. Continue the dyansty!
I am not sure which communist is worse. I kind of hope they all fail and the election is called off due to weather.
Wow, what a choice... I think on charade day (aka election day) I will do something meaningful and take my kids to the park.
Wow, what a choice.
Would you like me to kick you in the balls or use my knee.
You are a real fascist stooge anonymously threatening someone with violence over the internet. I have to laugh my ass off at you. irl, you wouldn't last a second.
?
People reading your comment misunderstood you and thought you were telling the parent above that the response to their choice of non-participation would be a kick in the nuts or some other form of punishment. (It's hard to communicate tone in writing! <.<)
Who is running that ISN'T a narcissist clown, or worse?
Your question underscores what a charade and waste of time the religion of politics has become.
Much worse...
Narcissistic, psychopathic, homicidal clowns.
Every single time some nitwit tries to pull a 'gotcha' on Trump, his poll numbers increase.
When are the dolts in the media going to realize they are running (and winning) Trump's campaign for him?
That's it? I have no intention of voting for Donald Trump, but is this really all you've got? :rolleyes:
I like how he's rocking the boat, but I expect the momentum will shift away from him.
A Trump presidency would closely resemble when Biff was in charge of Hill Valley in BTTF2.
Trump is doing the dance to get elected, i.e. keeping the ZIonists at bay. When elected, if he's still alive, he'll methodically, over time, expose all the vampires, inside and out.
euro A, like that idea, but I am in it for the laughs he brings out with every non pc remark, carly does have a face that I would only look at if it had a dick in it.
worth repeating :"carly does have a face that I would only look at if it had a dick in it.:" HP guys might agree.
worth repeating and worth a double upvote
That is what they say about rand Paul...but u guys need a savior...u r not ignorat you r stupid
No. What makes you think you know about Trump that well? You don't know someone till you live with them. Did you live with Trump in the same house? No?
When Trump said "be careful" I think he was talking as much about himself as the reporter... he's got to be careful not to let people know his positions on the issues.
Snowden is a traitor and is pulling off a snow job on the American people. He should be executed as a traitor along with the rest of his buddies at the CIA. I doubt that was what Trump meant though.
Edit: All you downvoters: you believe 911 was an inside job, covered up with the complicity of the media, yet you swallow the Snowden story, covered ad naseum by same media? I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding of the function of the media in society. Where was the coverage of the other NSA whistleblowers? Where is the current coverage of the reluctant CDC whistleblower? Just had a statement read by Rep. Posey before congress about how he and his colleagues brought trash bags into the lab to destroy data/evidence. Where is the media that loved to cover Snowjob on this one? Haven't even heard about it? What is the reluctant whistleblower's name even? You don't even know because of the media blackout? Yet Snowden is the real deal? Puuuuuleaze people.
Second edit:
His name is William Thomson btw, just to make it easier for you cognitively dissonant peeps to google.
FOOLS-
Only One Post Got It Right.
Trump isnt even a real candidate. He is just someone that the MSM is using to get the ball rolling, and to get the other candidates to start spending their campaign warchests on advertising. Come on! THINK!
Further, the poster that said that politicians don't even matter, is correct. They are 4th in the widely accepted hierarchy of US Power proffered by William Domhoff. 1) Corporations 2) Elite University Faculty and think tanks 3) Non-Profits (who BTW are simply tools of the Corporations in the large sense) and 4) politicians.
Who Rules America- by Domhoff- Univ of Southern Cal. at Santa Cruz, widely considered the foremost scholar of power in the US as per the Sociology and Political Science professors since C. Wright Mills of the 40-50's.
tune, you ever head of the the word bureaucrats..thousands of un elected bureaucrats in highly paid, jobs..writing regulations and ignoring congress the president and DOJ ..think IRS..you missed a big player.