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Elderly Americans' Confidence Collapses To 11-Month Lows (As Middle-Aged Hope Surges)

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Amid the turmoil of the markets, it appears that older Americans (those over 65 years old) are the most negatively affected as their "comfort" has collapsed to 11-month lows. Oddly, perhaps thanks to lower gas prices or simple Schdenfreude for not being as neck-deep invested in stocks as the older-generations, middle-aged Americans (from 35-44) have seen a resurgence in confidence (now at 4-month highs).

 

 

Will a fed rate hike provide just the additional 25bps on interest income that the retired (or not so retired) needs? Or will it finally crush that generation's dreams of retirement on the beach (as pitched by every wealthg manager ever) as they finally give up on the ponzi 'wealth creator' that is the US stock market?

 

Charts: Bloomberg

 

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Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:01 | 6532262 Headbanger
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I'm old and very confident!

 

That the whole fucking pile of shit collapses any day now!

And the Feral Reserve raises rates soon no matter what

You mooks!

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:44 | 6532508 MalteseFalcon
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Old folks feeling bad?

5 years of ZIRP will do that.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:02 | 6532270 general ambivalent
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My Daddy was a bank robber, but he never hurt nobody.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSl0w5Cqj-Y

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:02 | 6532271 semperfi
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this shit is absolutely fucking meaningless !

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:04 | 6532275 Normalcy Bias
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Older Americans have enough perspective to see that things are seriously f'd up in this country and are getting worse.

The fact that their Social Security payments buy less by the day can't be helping, either.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:18 | 6532339 Omen IV
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It's more about ZIRP than inflation - this group has gotten murdered on fixed income, pensions underfunded  and the ever escalating property taxes will force them to sell out sooner or later - they also believe the Clinton/ Bush Party will gut SS and force them to spend down the little money they have before getting their Social Security Insurance

Murder by Neglect is coming

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:21 | 6532364 centerline
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They better catch the right wave of scared foriegn money when it comes to selling houses.  Current prices otherwise aren't going to hold.  And the generations of US citizens behind them are broke anyhow.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:25 | 6532388 ToSoft4Truth
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Jeb Bush already stated poor people need to work longer hours.

Yesterday Jeb Bush stated the wealthy need tax cuts and he’s the guy to get them enacted

Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours

http://news.yahoo.com/jeb-bush-people-longer-hours-235206730.html 

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:30 | 6532419 Normalcy Bias
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That silver spoon douchebag is sickening.

It's palpable how entitled he thinks he is to the Presidency. Absolutely nauseating...

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:05 | 6532287 SmedleyButlersGhost
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Seems to me the best way to make money in this market is to produce charts

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:09 | 6532303 ToSoft4Truth
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Sell Hookers and blow to the chartists! 

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:09 | 6532304 o r c k
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It has its ups and downs.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:08 | 6532300 divedivedive
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I couldn't wait on the FED. Moved to Mexico and just today I purchased a 6 month  government 'CD' - returns 3.54 % (per annum).

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:14 | 6532330 ToSoft4Truth
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I go to banks, open ‘new accounts’ for the promotion bonus money and just transfer money from bank to bank. 

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:23 | 6532377 wcvarones
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Yes, $500 offers from both Capital One and Chase!

Cha-ching!!!

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:31 | 6532425 SmedleyButlersGhost
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You must be a millionaire- I got a toaster(2 slicer) and said to be careful to keep up my minimum balance. I didn't ask if they were coming for the toaster I fuked up

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:51 | 6532560 ToSoft4Truth
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Check kiting.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 16:00 | 6532620 SmedleyButlersGhost
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Ha good one - kind of like your own QE program

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:24 | 6532381 wcvarones
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Wanna bet your pesos depreciate more than 3.54%?

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:31 | 6532431 divedivedive
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We still own dollars but our pesos are closer - and that comforts me. For awhile now I buy everything on my BofA no fee credit card (lose a few pennies on the exchange - but it is very good). In time the dollar will come down.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 19:39 | 6533663 sTls7
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or you're shot dead during a gun fight.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:12 | 6532318 Chuck Knoblauch
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Another bullshit propaganda piece.

Old folks over 65 should not invest in this rigged game.

You'll lose everything.

Tell the pigs to drop dead.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:14 | 6532328 divedivedive
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In the US - other than cash - the only thing we own are good quality corporate bonds which we hold to maturity.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:25 | 6532368 Chuck Knoblauch
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I wouldn't hold anything longer than 5 years to maturity.

Too much uncertainty NOT priced into current yields.

I don't believe in the power of the Pentagon to keep the peace.

But they can rig a market.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:13 | 6532323 buzzsaw99
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two words: reverse mortgage [LMAO]

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:33 | 6532448 Chuck Knoblauch
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40% equity cut predicted.

No US buyers.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:13 | 6532325 homebody
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Fed can not raise rates even a quarter point - us older savers might get a little return

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:31 | 6532414 Chuck Knoblauch
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Any CFP pushing aggressive equity portfolios to anyone over 65 should have their license revoked, or nuts castrated.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:37 | 6532468 Professorlocknload
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No, no, no,,,don't revoke their licenses, instead collect evidence, then form a class action against them when this all falters.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:44 | 6532495 Chuck Knoblauch
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Start collecting names.

Someone start a Facebook account.

Call it enemies of the state.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:19 | 6532354 wcvarones
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I'm confident that old people are eating Alpo!

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:27 | 6532398 TrumpXVI
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Not quite there yet.  But so far I have pressure canned 10 quarts of tomatoes, 10 pints of carrots, 24 jars of raspberry jam and watched 4 YouTube videos on how to butcher and cook squirrel.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 16:12 | 6532665 Retired Guy
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Right on brother. We have learned how to grow raspberries, strawberries,  blue berries, peas and beans. I learned how to make wine. Our fruit trees are beginning to produce. Next year we will plant nut trees. At least we can eat well while we watch the royalty flush the country.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 16:21 | 6532767 divedivedive
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We have blackberries, raspberries, blueberries (but they need some help), red and gold grapefruit, pepper, lemons, limes, guava, perhaps 4 different types of oranges, coffee, plum, pamagranites, avacados, bananas, cactii, and some stuff I don't know what it is. What elevation are you at ? 

 

edit : forgot peach

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:33 | 6532447 man of Wool
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How exactly do you measure confidence? It can change so quickly from one minute to the next.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:41 | 6532489 Professorlocknload
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Take two surveys. Ask the question " Are you confident in your gambling abilities?" as they enter the casino, then again as they are leaving.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:42 | 6532488 q99x2
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Elderly Americans have been on a long enough timeline to expect zero. Buffet and Soros...same thing. Old people shouldn't be allowed to control money and power. All they want to do is die and if everyone goes with them all the F'n better.

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 15:47 | 6532525 starman
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"Logans Run" in 3 2 1

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 16:07 | 6532679 fowlerja
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Older American attitude...I have been to the mountain top..and it looks scary going downhill on the other side...oh what am I worrying about? ... congress, the new president, and the Fed have my back covered...just hope the stock market doesn't screw up the World Series this year...

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 22:34 | 6533203 SSRI Junkie
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Thu, 09/10/2015 - 18:23 | 6533385 Scooby Doo
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If seniors are 65+, middle age is 35-44, what are the ones 45-64 called? Tax targets? Cash cows? About to be screwed?

Thu, 09/10/2015 - 19:36 | 6533646 sTls7
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No.     Screwed!

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 02:29 | 6534744 headless blogger
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Obviously a cultural adjustment needs to be taken into account. At least in the United States anyways.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 02:27 | 6534742 headless blogger
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Well, i'm with everyone else on this; where the hell do the 45-64 years old fit in? You mean to tell me if you're 47 years old you are now considered "Middle Aged to Old Age"????

I'm sorry but we need to adjust for culturally induced youth (age 18-41), and middle age is now delayed to 42-65. After 65 who cares?

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