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Guide for Learning to Use a Sidearm to Defend Yourself, Your Loved Ones, and Your Property, Should a Race War Break Out

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Bastiat says in, The Law:

Each of us has a natural right — from God — to defend his person, his liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent upon the preservation of the other two.

So, maybe you have watched videos like those of Louis Farrakhan urging the black community to, "Rise up and kill those who kill us," and of this black activist saying that, "It’s open season on killing crackers and white cops."  You probably say to yourself, "Why aren't they arrested for making terroristic threats?  Maybe there really will be a race war."  You would like to take the advice of this man, and carry a gun to defend yourself, but you don't know where to start, you are too embarrassed to ask your ignorant-gun-freak relative, and you are afraid that if you make your own plan you might end up as incompetent as the NYPD cops are at stopping the bad guy that is trying to kill you.

NYPD Cops Fire 84 Shots At Murder Suspect, Miss 83 Times

 
Fret not, Zerohedge reader, whether you are a, "cracker," or a, "nigger," or other, I give to you, without fee or warranty, hedgeless_horseman's E-Z Internet Guide for Learning to Use a Sidearm to Defend Yourself, Your Loved Ones, and Your Property, Should a Race War Break Out.

Some of what we will cover is also found in my article, Fear we are returning to a time in history where it is a common occurrence to fight for one's life?  For example, I recommend that you begin learning to use a pistol to defend yourself by learning to use a knife to defend yourself.  Why?  Well, first, it is an inexpensive and low-risk way to discover who the good tactical instructors are in your area.  Second, the learning curve for a knife is much shorter, and can also serve to shorten the learning curve for a handgun.  Third, a knife can be more effective than a pistol in many situations.  Fourth, there are many situations when, or where, you simply cannot carry a pistol, but you can carry a knife.  Finally, a knife is a good back-up to a malfunctioning pistol, or more likely a malfunctioning shooter.

Brian Hoffner offers a package with very good knife, a matching training knife, and a DVD for $119.  Benchmade no longer makes the LFTi model that I have frequently recommended.

Brian explains that when you and your knife go to court, you want a simple-folding knife without an assist (so the DA doesn't claim you have an illegal switchblade), and within the legal-length limit for concealed carry in your specific area.  You do not want to be carrying an illegal weapon, or even what is perceived to be an illegal weapon, especially if you are a black man in America, so know the law for where you live

With a knife, just like with a firearm, the best knife is the knife that you know.  So, first take a class from a reputable instructor, then either buy or make a matching training knife (blunt) and practice regularly.  You should get to the point where you can reliably deploy your knife with one hand in about half-a-second.  Carry it with you every day, either in the pocket opposite of your gun hand, or in the middle of your front beltline, and keep it sharp with one of these Benchmade Mini-Tactical Pro Sharpeners.

Now...on to the gun!   

 

First, before handling a firearm, it is most important for EVERYONE in the household to know, understand, and follow these four safety rules:

  1. Treat all weapons as if they are loaded.
  2. Do not point the weapon at anyone or anything that you do not want to shoot, kill, or destroy.
  3. Do not put your finger on the trigger until you have 1) target, 2) sights on target, and 3) perception that either A) "serious bodily injury or death is imminent for myself or another person," or B) firing range is hot and training drill is live. 
  4. Be aware of, and take responsibility for, all bystanders that may be behind or near the target.

I will add a fifth rule, to the common four, which is to not be under the influence of any mind-altering chemical such as alcohol or dope when handling a firearm.

I absolutely refuse to be within a mile of anyone that I see not following these rules, which is why I generally avoid public gun ranges, and suggest that you shoot at a nice, lonely, high, dirt hill, way out in the boonies, or pay for a membership at a private tactical range that screens all members and guests and has at least 270 degree bays.

Next, and I cannot stress this point enough, get instruction from an experienced professional.  Specifically, take at least two weekends of tactical pistol training.   It does not matter whether you are a 10-year veteran of law enforcement, a Marine with two tours in the sandbox, or both, you will still learn much and improve significantly with good instruction.   Taking the state's required, "course," to test for a concealed handgun license (CHL) is not even close to adequate instruction.  Usually, all the CHL course does is inform you of the laws regarding concealed carry, and assign you with some basic level of proficiency that can be used against you in court.

The worst approach, in my humble opinion, is to buy a pistol and a cheap holster that is, "made for this gun," at the gun store, take the CHL test the next week, and start to carry your weapon as soon as your permit arrives in the mail.  If you follow this path, you are a danger to yourself and your loved ones, and not a real threat to the bad guys.

A sane approach is as follows.

By and install (drill and bolts) a Gunvault GV200D gunsafe next to your bedside.  I am not necessarily suggesting that you keep your gun LOCKED in the safe at night.  However, I am suggesting that you will often need a SAFE and CONVENIENT place to keep your pistol in its holster when it is not on your person.  Pro tip: If you keep your pistol in its holster when you take it off and put it on each day, then you are less likely to have an unintended discharge, as the trigger is covered by the holster.

 

Assess what type and location of concealment is best suited for the clothing you wear on a daily basis.  Do not open carry, even if it is legal, as it gives away a significant tactical advantage, and makes you a priority target. 

If you are a male, then I strongly suggest that you will want to carry your pistol in a holster, on your waist, on the strong side of your body (are you right or left handed?), somewhere between your belly button and your spine.  You will want to carry spare magazines in the same location on your weak side.  Some say that an exception to this exists if you spend your day sitting in a vehicle, and then you may wish to consider a cross-draw shoulder holster, but even then, I suggest a seat mounted holster between your legs, and transition to a strong side waist holster when you need to leave the vehicle.

If you wear a shirt tucked in, even with a coat most of the time, then I suggest that you are best suited with an inside-the-waistband-tuckable holster.  Tuckable means the shirt tucks over the portion of the pistol above the waistband and belt.

If you are able to wear an untucked shirt, vest, or jacket, 100% of the time, then you have many more options.  However, I still recommend an inside-the-waistband-tuckable holster and magazine carriers, but don't tuck the shirt.  Do, however, wear a long A-shirt between the pistol and your skin.

Strong-side inside the waist band (IWB) gives adequate concealment with maximum utility.  Sure, you can probably hide a .380 pocket pistol in your crotch, but who really wants to drop trou' just to draw your weapon 20+ times when you visit the range, or try to run to cover in a gunfight with your pants around your ankles?  Strong-side IWB, tucked or untucked, will allow you to draw and fire accurately in less than two seconds, with practice, and also gives you two fast magazine reloads. 

If you are a slim female that either likes to (or is required to) wear fitted clothing, or Bruce Jenner, then you are not going to be able to conceal a pistol on your waist, or probably anywhere on your person.  Fortunately, there are many tactical purse options available for women, or men that like to carry a purse...not that there is anything wrong with that.  The Galco one's are very well made.    You will want to buy at least two identical purses, as one of them is going to get abused during training. 

https://www.galcogunleather.com/del-holster-handbag_8_149_1078.html

 

So, now it is time to decide on a holster and magazine carriers.  You will need to choose a material, and really the only two good options are a hard-molded plastic called kydex, real leather, or a combination of the two.  Avoid the cheap cloth and neoprene holsters.  Most people say that kydex holsters are more durable and leather holsters are more comfortable.  I prefer a combination of kydex and leather, like the Comp-Tac CTAC or MTAC Holsters.  The C-Clips are less obvious when wearing the holster tucked. 

What?  You say that to by a holster you need to know which pistol it is for?  Be patient.  We will get there. 

Now, let us assess what caliber is best suited for your concealment choice, hand size, and budget. The reality is that larger caliber pistols are bigger and heavier than smaller caliber pistols. This matters when you are wearing it, concealed, along with one or two additional magazines...all...day...every...single...day.  Smaller caliber pistols give you more rounds, which is a very good thing in a gun fight.  If you have smaller hands, then you are going to want to go with a smaller caliber, because the magazine fits inside of the pistol's grip.  Smaller calibers, in general, have less recoil (kick), which really matters if you are going to select a light-weight gun for everyday carry.  Some will argue, endlessly it seems, that larger calibers are more effective at stopping the bad guy.  I believe the evidence shows that any truth to this, "stopping power," argument is far outweighed by the, "shot placement," argument, which is essentially that what really matters is if, and where, you hit the bad guy, not how big is the hole that is made by the bullet.  The only thing any pistol does is make holes in people; there are no magic-exploding bullets that send the bad guy flying backwards out of the room...even in .45 Long Colt.  This isn't Hollywood.  Lastly, in regards to cost, usually larger caliber ammunition is more expensive.

With all of that being said, it should be obvious that I favor the smaller calibers for concealed carry, such as the 9mm.  Or, for something a little more exotic, the 5.7x28mm (same caliber as an AR-15/M-16 rifle with less powder), if you want high capacity, and light weight, and very-low recoil, and the ability penetrate many types of body armor, and if the higher prices for pistol and ammunition are not a concern, and if you are ready, willing, and able, to come by SS190 carry ammunition from sources other than your local gun store where it is illegal for them to sell it, but not illegal for you to have it, in most places.  Know your local gun laws, no matter how unconstitutional, illogical, and draconian: they are for your protection/sarc/  

At this point, finally, we can assess what pistols are available in your selected caliber for your concealment choice, hand size, and budget.  It is 2015, so I am just not going to consider revolvers for personal defense, even though I am a bad-ass-mother-fucker with my Colt SAA, and I love my precious Peacemaker dearly.  My personal recommendations for semi-automatic self-defense concealed carry pistol manufacturers are FNH and H&K, because both make highly reliable DA models that do have a safety lever, and it is not on the trigger.  This preference will absolutely infuriate Glock lovers.  Oh well.  I have several reasons why, but the primary one is that I like to keep the fight cycle consistent for all weapons: pistol, rifle, and shotgun.  We are required to knock-off the safety for both rifle and shotgun, so we must train to do it, because it is very bad (potentially life threatening) to not train to disengage and/or engage the safety on a weapon that has a safety. Therefore, I want a safety on my pistol, too, to keep things simple and consistent in my brain.  In addition, I believe that it is indeed more safe to have a true safety on a firearm.  The Glock-style "safety" on the trigger simply does not count, it does not prevent the pistol from firing when the trigger is pulled, like a safety on a rifle or shotgun do.

Given the choice of single-action, double-action, double-action/single-action, and double-action-only, I prefer the latter, again, to keep the fight cycle simple and consistent with the rifle and semi-automatic shotgun.

When available, I prefer the smaller frame models, also known as, "compact," for concealed carry, as they are easier to conceal.  Duh.

I don't have a preference on striker fired, or not, as I have never been a Glock fan, for reasons already discussed, and therefore never had any reason to own a striker-fired pistol.

I do require front and rear tritium night sight.  Period.  Trying to hit a bad guy in the dark, under stress, without being able to see the fucking sights, is both very difficult and very, very, scary.  I don't want my light mounted to my pistol, as it makes for an easy target.  I do want to hold my light away from me and my pistol. 

Lasers on pistols are essentially useless, unless they are IR, it is pitch black, and you are using Night Vision Goggles, then they are The_Fucking_Shit.  So, a mounting rail isn't totally useless on a pistol.

I cannot guarantee it, but I think this leaves me with the following choices for current models.

In 9mm:
http://www.fnhusa.com/products/handguns/fns-series/fns-9-compact/
http://hk-usa.com/hk-models/p30sk/

In 5.7x28:
http://www.fnhusa.com/products/handguns/fn-five-seven/five-seven/

My personnel choice for the last many years is the FN FiveseveN.  It is so reliable that I had to make a training magazine that will cause stoppages in order to be able to train myself on dealing with stoppages.  However, if you get one, make sure it has the metal magazine release, and not the plastic one that came on the very early models.  Use factory FNH 20-round magazines, not the Pro-Mag 30-round crap.

No, that isn't me in the photo.  The dude has his knife on the wrong side, and I wouldn't be caught dead in those jeans.

Ok.  Now go buy your pistol!  Don't worry if you don't know how to buy a firearm.  It is easy.  Walk into a gun shop.  Tell them exactly what you want.  Write it down, or print off the web page.  They will do the rest.  If they must order it, no problem.  You can wait.  Don't let them sell you some other pistol that is in stock, because nobody else wants it either. 

Finally, and most important, complete the following courses in this order:

  1. One half-day tactical folding knife class; $150.
  2. 2-3 weekends of Tactical Pistol Courses; $1,000.
  3. One day of Self and Family Emergency Medical Aid/Trauma Kit Course; $150.
  4. A series of several two-hour self-defense classes (not martial arts classes); $200.
  5. Fulfillment of requirements for concealed handgun permit; $250.

You should learn in these classes how to safely conduct dry-fire training at home with your pistol and your dummy knife.  Do this on a regular basis, such as once per week for just 5 minutes, and soon you could finally be ready, willing, and able to defend your person, liberty, and property, should you be faced with a situation where, "serious bodily injury or death is imminent,"  and chances are very good that it will not take you 84 shots to, "stop," the bad guy.

Be safe. 

Peace!

 

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Fri, 09/11/2015 - 10:31 | 6535778 greatbeard
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All you right wing racists have been gunning up for years, going full tactical with your casual wear, stocking in 1,000s of rounds of ammo meant for nothing more than killing humans, preaching your racist and political hatred non-stop, and all that is just fine.  Let a few fringe black leaders push back and they are formenting a race war.  If there is a war it will be folks such as yourself bringing it on and you will kill not just blacks but anyone not just like yourself.  Anyone that's left of Brown Shirt is a frothing liberal who's the cause of all the country's ills and needs to be taken out.  Frankly, you folks are sick.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 22:02 | 6538517 didthatreallyhappen
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Frankly, you are a fucking joke

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 12:08 | 6536304 Bear
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Wow ... I don't actually see whitey out on tv preaching 

‘PIGS IN A BLANKET FRY ’EM LIKE BACON’ 
Fri, 09/11/2015 - 11:32 | 6536124 DullKnife
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"All you right wing racists have been gunning up for years, going full tactical with your casual wear, stocking in 1,000s of rounds of ammo meant for nothing more than killing humans, preaching your racist and political hatred non-stop, and all that is just fine.  Let a few fringe black leaders push back and they are formenting a race war.  If there is a war it will be folks such as yourself bringing it on and you will kill not just blacks but anyone not just like yourself.  Anyone that's left of Brown Shirt is a frothing liberal who's the cause of all the country's ills and needs to be taken out.  Frankly, you folks are sick."

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I want some of what this dude is smoking....wowser!   

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:19 | 6536917 Baa baa
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The mug shot looks familiar.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 10:46 | 6535863 overmedicatedun...
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just for the record, I only dislike those who disrespect me and mine..no matter the color. all fellow humans are welcome, but those getto thugs like in baltimore shooting black kids right and left. they are not humans just as the mao mao in the 1950's acted and were sub human. by your actions we shall know thee. yes i am racist by greatbeard and erika posters on ZH. funny I don't give a shit about either, they are ready to look away from truth since it disturbs their world view.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 10:51 | 6535795 hedgeless_horseman
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There has never been a better time for you to take the family on a wonderful vacation to beautiful Durban, South Africa!

Better still...consider relocating! 

Come for the culture, stay for the excitement!

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 16:05 | 6537423 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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thanks HH, if going to SA may I suggest the following upgrade...circa 1998

JOHANNESBURG, SA-- Crime-obsessed South Africans have a powerful new weapon with which to stop likely criminals: the car flamethrower.

Casting a man-high fireball, reportedly with no damage to the paint, the Blaster has been placed on 25 South African vehicles since its introduction last month.

At 3,900 rand ($655), it offers a cheap, dramatic defense against carjackers. It has yet to be deemed illegal.

South African courts allow killing if convinced that it's in self-defense. The defense is not unheard of. In last year's 13,000 carjackings, criminals often brandished weapons or used them with little provocation.

The Blaster squirts liquefied gas from a bottle in the automobile's trunk through two nozzles, located under the front doors. The gas is then ignited by an electric spark, with fiery consequences.

Both sides flame at the same time, regardless of whether the attack is coming from just one side of the vehicle, or whether passersby are on the other side. But the breadth and depth of blast can be modified according to individual preference.

Fire blinds, not kills, maker assures 

Blaster inventor Charl Fourie, 33, disputed concerns that the flamethrower could burn someone to death.

"My personal feeling is that it would definitely blind a person. He will never see again," he said

Firefighters, medical personnel and the police agree 100 percent "that it will never kill a person," Fourie asserted. "This is definitely non-lethal.... A person is not going to stand there for a minute while you roast him. It will fend off the attacker, and that's the end of it."

Fourie has filed an international patent application. He anticipates thousands of orders nationally and from abroad. "The demand is huge," he said.

First customer a Johannesburg police official

The first buyer, Police Superintendent David Walkley of Johannesburg's crime intelligence unit, is satisfied the Blaster is legal, provided it is used correctly.

"It depends entirely on the circumstances and whether you can justify self-defense," he said.

"Yes, there are certain risks in using it, but there are also risks in not having anything at all."

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 11:47 | 6536200 greatbeard
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No need to relocate, I'm perfectly happy here.  But then again, I don't live my life in fear of everyone not like myself.  Good luck with your Trump solution.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 22:03 | 6538522 didthatreallyhappen
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whats your solution?

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 09:55 | 6535553 _SILENCER
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Legit, Mr. Horseman.

I'm a pretty good shot, but a tactical brush up is a great idea. Soon as it isn't 185 degrees outside I'll do just that.

I know guys that have FN FiveSevens and love them. I like the CZs myself, but to each his own. Great article.

 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 13:54 | 6571723 JimS
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_Silencer: one thing to improve your handling of a pistol or revolver is to strengthen your grip. You can use nearly anything squeezable. A tennis ball or some molding clay will work wonders on your ability to grip your weapon and fire it accurately. That grip strength will lighten the recoil, and make your target acquisition quicker and more certain. Besides it is very easy to do every day, and takes very little time to accomplish. My weapon of choice is an XDm in either 9mm or .45 acp. I am looking at a sig sauer in 10mm SAO, as my new weapon of choice.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 09:52 | 6535544 WorkingPawn
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As I'm reading this I was thinking of something along the lines of the old Mastercard commercial:

  • Cost of new handgun: $600
  • 5,000 rounds of practice ammunition, range time: $1500
  • Concealed carry class: $100
  • Concealed Handgun Permit: $50
  • Training for proper draw, handling, malfunctions: $500
  • Advanced (Gunsite) training: $2000
  • Ability to double tap a target at 7 yds from the holster in 1.5 seconds: Priceless

 

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 11:08 | 6536001 lordkoos
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What's priceless is peace.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 11:11 | 6536012 overmedicatedun...
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seems leftist all want peace, yet leftist leaders kill and make war across the globe..oh they are true progressives : kerry obuma mccain graham..progressives all.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 21:12 | 6538306 espirit
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I show all my students how I can cover 21 ft. in under 2 seconds with a blade.

Condition 1 if situational awareness warrants it.

BTW: I also teach triple tap. First two to slow 'em down.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 09:33 | 6535458 Polymarkos
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Screw the knife training. Contrary to this author, knife training takes a LOT of time. Fighting knife against an unarmed opponent(s) is easy, but knife to knife, knife to club/chain/whateer...that takes YEARS of hard training. Although six months of hard training will be enough against 90% of opponents. Just expect to get hurt some before you down your man.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 11:21 | 6536066 GeorgeHayduke
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A walking stick (jo staff) is less imposing than a knife. I'd bet on the person with the jo staff and average training over an average trained knife attacker. Most American don't have a clue what a jo is or how to use one.

I always see these gun articles here on ZH yet nothing about hand-to-hand training. It appears there's this fantasy that you're always going to have your gun. ALWAYS. ALWAYS. ALWAYS. And ALWAYS going to get it pulled like you're John Rambo and you kill the offenders. No need to develop mental discipline, you physical health and maintain constant mental and physical training, or develop a better understanding of your potential opponents. Nope, it's just point and shoot, with a fast draw. Because EVERY possible encounter you have should always come down to a gun being drawn to determine who wins. Over reliance upon a gun couldn't possibly be a problem could it?

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 23:08 | 6538647 Chaos_Theory
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Do a search for an article in ZH from 2012 called "the best martial arts for the end of the word."  Pretty good summary. I enjoyed my training to get my black belt in Hap Ki Do, and would have never heard of it if not for the ZH article.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 11:53 | 6536232 PresidentCamacho
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Point, Click, and Kill. Gunfighting is the best american martial art.

 

 

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 11:45 | 6536174 hedgeless_horseman
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...nothing about hand-to-hand training. It appears there's this fantasy that you're always going to have your gun.

You must have failed to read or comprehend the extensive portions of this article regarding knife training and self-defense classes.

Fourth, there are many situations when, or where, you simply cannot carry a pistol, but you can carry a knife.

Feel free to walk around all day with a 6-foot long staff. 

That being said, nothing equalizes a violent encounter between a
250-pound young-male and a 120-pound middle-age woman like a gun.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 12:11 | 6536320 GeorgeHayduke
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You are correct. I did not read it all. I don't have time in my life to read everything posted everywhere. I should not have commented at all and am aiming at not commenting on ZH anymore due to higher priorities in life. However, I would add that many here live in constant fear...then again, that is part of the whole conservative psyche which is reflected in so many article and comments here. Anyway, enjoy the fear and doom. I am off to live life a little more in a well-rounded manner. Sorry for all the feelings I may have stepped upon.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 12:00 | 6536264 overmedicatedun...
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funny some of the least lethal tech, from saps to flex steel battons and stun weapons have been made illegal-

nothing like getting hit up side of the head with 1oz of lead in a sap to make a  perp reevaluate his goals

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 14:10 | 6571780 JimS
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In most states that have concealed-carry laws you may carry any type of "dangerous weapon". Those weapons would include what you described. I suggest you obtain a concealed-carry permit. Having said that, no one should have to get any type of permit for concealed-carry. The Second Amendment allows everyone (who is not a felon) the RIGHT to protect one's self against a criminal bent on doing some harm. It's a RIGHT, not a privilege. And, furthermore, the government should not be requiring a "permit", and, every state should allow concealed-carry. PERIOD.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 11:26 | 6536092 overmedicatedun...
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good point george, situational awareness - and avoiding the threats - are my best defense. oh and being lucky, every time i was shot  at (too many times )well i was lucky -so you get benefit of my posts..luck is highly underrated.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 12:28 | 6536402 GeorgeHayduke
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Situational awareness and luck are highly underrated by many people. Part of that may be due to the whole Western mindset of people thinking they have control over everything in life. I don't know. Feel free to correct me.

My personal defense idea if things get all Mad Max, as so many here seem to want, is to stay out of the way, if possible, and let all of the macho men sort themselves out. That may be impossible to do, but I am as prepared as possible: physically fit, capable, shrewd, black belt, can use weapons beyond guns, have a good community of smart and connected people and I am valuable to them, etc...

If things go all Mad Max, then people will settle into their tribes and things should settle out a little more. of course there's always the ambitious assholes who can't live without screwing with someone, but they may self select themselves out of the gene pool after a few years and things may settle into somewhat of a golden age until that recessive asshole gene becomes dominant again as it is today. Feel free to set me straight on my ignorance.

But who knows what will happen, if anything? I'd bet money that 5 years ago most here thought this crap heap would have collapsed already and they finally would have had their chance to kill someone, in self defense of course, without going to jail because the gubbmint is gone. Regardless, I am weary of this whole concept and as well prepared as possible. I am done giving energy to rambling on about it on here endlessly. Good luck to all in dealing with the future. Hell, these same conversations may still be going on here 5 years from now. We shall see...

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 09:41 | 6535496 Polymarkos
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Another ponit: cops will seize any arm used anywhere in on around or near a fight. You will not likely ever see that weapon again.

 

Go as cheap as you can for a firearm, without sacrificing quality. Your 2500 dollar uber gun is no better at killing than the 400 dollar gun. Better to save a few bucks, get a slightly cheaper weapon that functions reliably. You're throwing this money away the moment you drop some asshole, because you lose the gun to the thieves in the PD. Why give some dipshit cop who steals from the evidence locker a high end finely made uber pistol with gadgets?

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 09:28 | 6535438 ejmoosa
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I also like the 5.7x28, as well as the Glock 29 as primary carry.

It depends on the environments I will be in.  The BUG a .380 KelTec. I think I need to upgrade it...

 

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 09:25 | 6535422 Tucson Tom
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For you newbies fresh from the range,learn to clean whatever weapon you have chosen.Nothing will turn your anal shincter in to a dime sized dot than having a round jam in your brand new $1000  Kimber! Weapons get all f----- up on the range.Dirt gets in the clips too.Have a gun dealer show you how.It may save the day or your life and it avoids frustration on the range.That is all

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 17:03 | 6537658 JimS
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Just curious: what type of weapon are you using with "clips"?

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 11:56 | 6536244 gaoptimize
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Not that I don't take good care of the one I sleep with, but:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/04/glock-43-submerged-fr...

"Happiness, is a warm, yes it is, gun."

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 09:33 | 6535466 Polymarkos
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Kimbers are notorious for needing to be cleaned constantly.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 10:06 | 6535628 Chupacabra-322
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Kimber's are over priced pieces of shit. Plus require particular loads & break in time. Stick with Springfirld Armory. Customer service is great as well as manufacturing

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 20:26 | 6538193 Freddie
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One of the reason why I like older Ruger semi autos.  The guys in gun forums liken them to pick up trucks.  they ain't pretty but they will eat almost any ammo and when you pull the trigger they go bang.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 17:06 | 6537671 JimS
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XD m in .45 and 9mm are great choices. I am currently looking at a Sig 220 in 10mm, in the SAO version. Looks like it's going to a wonderful weapon.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 09:23 | 6535411 Thick Willy
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In war the best defense is a strong offense.  Waiting for someone to attack you and hoping you are able to respond to win the battle is a fool's gambit.  If things kick into high gear you'll need to be the one on offense, not walking around like a hapless sheep hoping the dindus don't get you.

And for that you'll need rifles.  Long range rifles, semi-auto, with scopes.  And they need to be zeroed and you need to know how to use them.  If you aren't planning on hitting targets 300+ yards away (preferably 500+) then you are useless and might as well not leave the house if shtf.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:53 | 6537054 gaoptimize
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Going on the offensive in a civil disruption is fraught with uncertainties and potential illegalities/war crimes.  I would not endorse or participate in such operations for fear of avoidable collateral damage and casualities.  Living in a defendable mostly rural area, why would anyone want to take the fight to the equivalent of Stalingrad or Sarajevo?

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 09:44 | 6535511 Polymarkos
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If it's worth takning a looke (like a noise at night,) it's worth taking along a gun. And you ALWAYS want the biggest gun you can take. I like shotties for things that go bump in the night, loaded with jungle shot.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 17:15 | 6537703 JimS
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Well, the "biggest" gun, may not be the best for ahout 85% of the general public. Any caliber, in dead-center of any mass, is fine. Even the lowly .22lr, exactly on-target, is worthwihle. If you had said biggest caliber you can fire 5-6 rounds, dead-center, I would agree.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 17:13 | 6537695 JimS
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Well, the "biggest" gun, may not be the best of ahout 85% of the general public. Any caliber, in dead-center of any mass, is fine. Even the lowly .22lr exactly on-target is worthwihle. If you had said biggest you can fire 5-6 rounds, dead-center, I would agree.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 17:16 | 6537708 JimS
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Sorry about the double post. mea culpa

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 09:11 | 6535356 Turdy Brown
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Excellent article Hedgeless!  Don't worry about the little pussies commenting on how this is not a good article.  I think that EVERY American should carry a firearm! 

Carry on brother!

 

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 09:10 | 6535351 StagStopa
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Here in dreamland, NV, a lot of pussies carry, even to Walmart, restaurants, etc.

Very little crime here. Cowards, all. Looking forward to the day one of these cunts brandished his pistol, so I can disarm the cunt and shove it up his ass.

 

Regards,

Roxi

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 22:07 | 6538532 didthatreallyhappen
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we assume you are a tranny.  how would you disarm them, with you dildo collection?

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 11:14 | 6536030 Hankster
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"Here in dreamland, NV, a lot of pussies carry, even to Walmart, restaurants, etc. Very little crime here."

 

hmm, could there be a connection?

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 20:19 | 6538172 Freddie
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He or she is too stupid to see a connection. 

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 09:45 | 6535521 Polymarkos
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Apparently you are just stupid. Therefore your words do not matter.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 09:44 | 6535518 jwoop66
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Obama voter?  Who's it gonna be this time, Bernie?

 

fight the power!

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 08:54 | 6535268 roadhazard
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Why a woman would want her gun in a holster inside her purse is beyoned me. Might as well leave it at home.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 21:25 | 6538352 espirit
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Ever seen an eyeliner pencil stuck in an Air Weight cylinder?

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