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US Warns Of "Unprecedented" Russian Military Buildup In Syria: "It's Starting To Look Like Crimea"
On Wednesday, we brought you an in-depth look at the latest from Syria where Russia is apparently in a mad dash to send reinforcements to Assad and his depleted army at Latakia (or at least that’s the narrative being pushed rather hard by Western media).
Meanwhile, France and Britain have apparently decided that the best way to stem the flow of refugees to Western Europe is to bomb the country from which the refugees are fleeing, which means that in relatively short order, the skies above Syria will be filled with French, British, American, Turkish, and Russian jets, a situation which quite clearly has the potential to cause an “accident.”
With the war drums now beating loudly, the media is keen on documenting anything that even sounds like it might be incremental which, in combination with the fact that situation on the ground truly is rather fluid, means we get more color on the situation with each passing hour. Case in point, from Reuters:
Russian forces have begun participating in military operations in Syria in support of government troops, three Lebanese sources familiar with the political and military situation there said on Wednesday.
The sources, speaking to Reuters on condition they not be identified, gave the most forthright account yet from the region of what the United States fears is a deepening Russian military role in Syria's civil war, though one of the Lebanese sources said the number of Russians involved so far was small.
And here's more from the Kremlin, where spokeswoman Maria Zakharova offered a damning (not to mention amusingly accurate) indictment of how Washington has sought to characterize Moscow's relationship with Damascus:
Russia has decried the U.S. pressure over the flights as "international boorishness" and dismissed reports of a build-up in Syria in general terms.
But Russian officials have repeatedly dodged questions over whether there has been a recent increase in military assistance to Assad and Moscow has not unequivocally denied any build-up of its forces in Syria.
"First we were accused of providing arms to the so-called 'bloody regime that was persecuting democratic activists'," said Maria Zakharova, spokeswoman for the Russian foreign ministry.
"Now it's a new edition - we are supposedly harming the fight against terrorism. That is complete rubbish."
All of that comes on the heels of reports out on Wednesday which suggested that Moscow had sent tank landing ships and additional cargo planes to the country prompting Washington to remind the Kremlin that any efforts to prop up the Assad regime are absolutely unacceptable:
"We would welcome constructive Russian contributions to the counter-ISIL effort, but we've been clear that it would be unconscionable for any party, including the Russians, to provide any support to the Assad regime," White House spokesman Eric Schultz said.
Reuters’ unnamed Lebanese sources also suggested that Russia has moved to establish an inland forward operating base, a move they say “indicates the Russians have decided to join the war against terrorism", a war which, as discussed here on Wednesday, no foreign military seems very interested in fighting as evidenced by the fact that rebels battling Islamic State near Marea told WSJ they are “fighting ISIS by themselves.”
And speaking of ISIS, the group is apparently close to taking one of Assad's last strongholds in the east (via Reuters):
Dozens of Syrian government troops and Islamic State fighters have been killed in fighting around a government-held air base in eastern Syria in a region that is a stronghold for the jihadists, a monitoring group said on Thursday,
Islamic State used at least two car bombs in its latest assault on the air base near the city of Deir al-Zor, where government troops are holed up, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.
It said at least 18 soldiers and 23 Islamic State fighters had been killed. The base is one of President Bashar al-Assad's last footholds in eastern Syria. There was no mention of the attack on state media.
So while all of the multifarious rebels, “freedom fighters”, “moderate” jihadists, “radical” jihadists, and makeshift contingents do exactly what they were intended to do from the start (i.e. destabilize the Assad regime) both the West and Russia are busy preparing for the possibility that realizing their respective visions for Syria’s political future may ultimately mean open warfare and make no mistake, warhawks in Washington are happy to perpetuate the narrative as is the GOP's media mouthpiece. Here's Fox News:
U.S. officials are expressing growing concern about Russia's military build-up in Assad-controlled Syria, calling it "unprecedented."
"It's beginning to look like Crimyria [sic]," the official told Fox News.
Yes, it's starting to look like "Crimyria" and by that we assume Fox means "Crimea", and if they're right, the Kremlin may be on the verge of taking the "proxy" out of the Syrian proxy war.
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The whole Islamic terror skit started back in 7th century AD with a trader/prophet who went around at the head of an army fighting, including cutting people's heads off, and spreading his new religion.
The invasion of Afghanistan did not start it, but it sure did supercharge it, the problem is that the Islamic world was in trouble then anyway, high birthrates and tepid economic development that saw them sink ever behind the west and then the east eventually came to a head time and time again, whether the result was a small shock or a full revolution decided how bad the repercussions were, they were never good because the people flocked to safety of law and order, and the only law and order was from the Mullahs, Islamic rules and values, kiss security of property and rule of law goodbye.
But the latest collapse, the "arab spring" when a raft of dictators could no longer afford to subsidise corn prices, has in conjunction with the global collapse rocked the foundations of too much now to salvage the area, Assad is looking like a veritable beacon of light compared to Iran, Iraq or Saudi Arabia, and that just shows how screwed up the region is. In that case I wish the Russians well, if they can preserve a secular regime then there is a glimmer of hope for the region (although I have no doubt this is not their prime concern), but with the overwhelming forces against any sort of progress beyond 7th century thinking they have a hard job on their hands.
blabam, you do realize that the US was overthrowing governments in Iran almost 70 years ago, right? We've been meddling in ME politics for quite some time.
CIA overthrew Syrian government 4 of 5 times.
I had a friend from Syria as a teenager (early to mid 90s). And the parents, uncles, etc were ALWAYS talking about US interference in their politics, whether it was Lebanon, Syria, etc. All I could say was "Wow, I've never heard ANYTHING about that."
Got rid of those 'dictators' in Libya and Iraq.
Those turned out well,,,, Real successful.
Oh, we don't mind about supporting dictators as long as they are OUR dictators. Examples: Shah of Iran, Marcos in the Philippines, Somoza in Nicaragua, etc.
You know nothing about Soviet in Afghanistan
Soviet was already there, build roads, infrastructure, schools.
Protected Girls opportunity of rights, attended schools, later many of girls
murdered by Fathers, male relatives for want attend school.
Soviet supported very moderate leader, who was murdered in coup worst
outside supported criminals.
Soviet had interest to stop drug trade, which now is far highest ever.
Moderate Afghans were overcome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc2KeSkl5H0
Think that getting rid of Saddam Hussein helped Iraq? While he was in charge, the country was stable. US got rid of him because he didn't play the dollar is oil game. Nothing gets better when the US lands. Because the lie is that they are there to help the people, when the reality is they are there to help themselves.
If you are not an agent and you are a confused one let me take you a few years back when it all started with JPMorgan wanted to open shop in Tzar ruling Russia, and he was told To go F... Himself. Then they pushed Stupid Japanese Empire to go to war with Russia which Russia lost and then they brainwashed the 50 K or so Russian prisoners and created the Bolshevik
Army and thus they destroyed Tzars and born was USSR.
Time proved that communism does not work and collapsed under it's own weight, and new Russia was born.
So now the Khazarin controlled USSA is being pushed to go to war with Russia, because all alone it was the Ruskies ( Vikings ) that was responsible for the destruction of Khazars in 930 AD.
Go and read the history of the Fake Jews ( Khazarian Empire ) and You may be Possibly unconfused .
blabam
" this whole Islamic terror skit started with the Russian invasion of Afghanistan."
Where to begin, where to begin...
1. read up on the Ottoman empire
2. maybe a little bit about the terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946
But thanks for that tidbit that it was the Russkies that started this Islamic terrorist thingy.
Could you get more hypocritical?
It was fine and dandy for the US to create ISIS to topple Assad. It was also great that Obama lied about Assad's use of sarin to try to get a major war started as exposed by Seymour Hersh. It is completely fine that US is now bombing Syria
But Russians supporting their traditional ally Syria is completely unacceptable.
ISIS: The jihadist movement stamped “Made in America”
The fact remains, however, that the US, the major European powers, and their regional allies all previously lent financial, military and political support to ISIS and similar groups, which have “Made in the USA” stamped all over them. They have, until now, played a significant part in Washington’s efforts to overthrow the regime of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, as part of a broader effort to gain control of the region’s vast energy resources and transit routes.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/isis-j30.html
Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has published an article demonstrating that the US government and President Barack Obama knowingly lied when they claimed that the Syrian government had carried out a sarin gas attack on insurgent-held areas last August.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/12/10/pers-d10.html
You fucking hypocrites.
US has more firepower in the area than Russia.
Still pretending there is a US Constitution?
One nuke would change that firepower ratio very quickly.
2 subs is all you need.
Cry me a river nato.
Denial is more than a river in Egypt.
And what you shiiters have denied yet ? Nothing just like your empty pride.
Everyone moving closer to Megido.
Now why would all these refugees NOW become a crisis in which the "developed world" would be forced to act (and remove Assad)?
Because the false flag about using poison gas didn't sway public opinion for a full scale invasion.
It all comes together now. Foment ISIS and create crisis. Blame Assad for said crisis. Remove Assad, build pipeline to screw Russia.
ISIS causes refugee deluge to Turkey. Turkey sets up camps, then pushes them out.
Some really, really despotic leaders the West has.
pods
A crisis caused by western interference.
Yep, and they have even baptised ISUS by playing halloween dressup with them:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/595439/SAS-ISIS-fighter-Jihadis
And next scandal coming up: Russia bombs ISIS targets and accidently kills 20 SAS soldiers. Oops.
Right! Here's the briefing direct from the US State Department:
We support the Iraqi government in the fight against ISIS. We don't like ISIS, but ISIS is supported by Saudi Arabia who we do like.
We don't like President Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but not ISIS, which is also fighting against him.
We don't like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government against ISIS. So, some of our friends support our enemies and some of our enemies are our friends, and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies, who we want to lose, but we don't want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win.
If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they might be replaced by people we like even less. And all this was started by us invading a country to drive out terrorists who weren't actually there until we went in to drive them out.
Got it?
+1 Marvelous sarcasm. I could have sworn it was written by Kerry himself. That's a keeper.
Putin's domestic situation must really be in the crapper for him to be adventuring in Crimea and now Syria given the depressed price of oil and natural gas.
Sounds like wishful thinking.
Sounds like you've been asleep. Assad was in danger of losing the war in recent weeks after a series of defeats, so Vlad like a good ally is helping them to stat in power and stop the pipeline.
You think in US terms, which do not work in Russia. If you think for a second, a whole country was bombed in 1999 over a blowjob. Analyze that.
Unilateral
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Destabilizing
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Warz!
I guess US planned to be heroic savior to defeat their fake ISIS and save us all, while ousting Assad.
Russians throw the wrench in this fake.
I did read in sources, that IS fighters panicked and run once they heard about russians coming..
good analysis here
http://thesaker.is/new-western-info-fronts-against-syria-refugees-russia-and-the-balkans/
NATO started the "unprecedented" thing first.
Rushia vs. Zionni starting another round. Durring the comercial breaks watch China small powerlandgrabs and Europe's selfdissolve
Absolutely nuts & ZERO proof. This has gone way too far & history will not forget this crap the US Neocons / Ziocons / Vatican et al has orchestrated. They are caught & should stop they're trajectory. But too hubris & temeritous to stop their power addiction.
The whole planet see & knows what's going on.
Sameful & sad times as the US is devovling.
Detroit looks like downtown Mogadishu; the US should keep its trap shut till its own house in order.
Hold it right there, Mister.
Detroit is getting a new hockey arena and ...., err.... never mind.
Well, at least Detroit is making some progress.
Snipes: We're safe around here.
Connery: You call this safe?
Snipes: Rough neighborhoods may be America's last advantage.
Rising Sun (1993)
This is the silliest propaganda yet from FOX. What are the odds that the anonymous "US official" can't even find "Crimyria" on the map?
Fuck the ameriKan terrorists and infiltratorCIA. The overthrow of Syria was the name of the game from square one. The zio-kike controlled regime in ameriKa funded the terrorists and Isis is ameriKas' tool. Russia is only taking steps to protect an allay and also to protect their military port.
Anyone that has been paying attention, the ZOG machine perped variations of the same shit in Egypt, Libya, Ukraine etc.
You cannot blame the Russians for standing up to (and attempting to stop) the zionist scheme. The ZOG machine's apathetic response in (covertly funding) failing to crush Isis is very telling of the underhanded game plan to overthrow the Syrian GOV while attempting to keep their filthy paws "clean".
Fuck the ZOG machine and their murderous CIA thugs.
GO PUTIN!!!
The IS-lovers in the US government are pissing their pants now. What are they gonna do - dogfight the Russkii to protect their Wahhabi terrorist wacko chums? Hurry up and exterminate them Putin! The people of Syria shouldn't have had to wait this long for you to make good on your promises!
The Russians are NOT going to let that Qatar (Saudi) pipeline to Turkey get built.....PERIOD!
We'll see WWIII before this is over.
I wonder when some Russian factories will mysteriously explode....
Russias protection of the Crimea means there's no surge of migrants running from there. So if Russia protects Syria that should also stop the migrants fleeing the USA bombing.
The US will do exactly what it did in Crimea. NOTHING. Don't forget that Obama actually abdicated to Russia and Iran for Syrian solutions during the false flag chemical bombings.
Just like Crimea.... soon Russia will be annexing Syria! boo hoo!!!
US to Europe: Syria is our war, but it's your problem (refugees)
It's surprise buttsecks time for the US and the cronies in MENA.
It's none of our business. Time to close all foreign bases and end all foreign aid. Sure, we started WW3 after 9/11, but it's never too late to back out.
The USSA and 99% of it's lemmings comically called citizens are sick, mentally, morally and physically for allowing, funding, and providing cannon fodder for its national governments unfettered war mongering, regime changes and whatever else the monsters on DC so dictate.
Hey ameriKa,,, don't you ever get tired of the killing and destruction? ever?
Lavrov Confirms Russian Military Present in Syria to Deliver Arms to Army
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150910/1026820832.html
Presence of Russian servicemen in Syria is tied to the deliveries of weapons to the Syrian government army, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Thursday.
I'm rootin for putin!
Time to send in the gay female seals?
with strap ons.
which can fire frikkin laser beams!
After the Russian finish ISIS in Syria the should send the soldiers to US to liberat the American people from the traitors who have taken over the government
"...warhawks in Washington..."? Rubbish! DC is Still Greatly Overwhelmeded by...
ChickenHawks!
Time Syria take their Gold out of the Vaults and put it somewhere safe, like buried in the backyard somewhere.
And if you see Christine Largarde say, Hi I'm Christine and I'm here to help, just RUN.
Russia can be anywhere it wants. But how long can it afford to stay anywhere it wants. Blood and logistics are expensive, just ask the MIC.
roadhazard :
"But how long can it afford to stay anywhere it wants."
That is a good question. Part of the answer lays in what kind of bang do the Russkies get for a ruble of military expenditure.
And if Russia, like China, can get military information for pennies on the dollar, say like paying Clinton for speeches or dropping trinkets into the Clinton Foundation, then they can last a very long time.
For me, better that we subsidize oil production at home and bring home the troops. Let Israel and the Saudis overtly kiss and make up instead of sucking the blood out of the U.S. taxpayer.
Define "expensive". The Russians are already under fire for the losses in Crimea. They were defeated in Afghanistan because the losses to their forces were too "expensive". Putin will bankrupt his country, whilst destroying perfectly good food in front of hungry people -- but hes finished when the bodies start being sent back to Moscow from Syria. THAT is too "expensive" and he will be done.
The US and its Anglosphere and EU vassals drip with crude anti-Russian and anti-Chinese agitprop that is racing the world into another catastrophe, and until the US is defeated or exhausted it will cause the death of more millions.
re US Warns Of "Unprecedented" Russian Military Buildup In Syria..
In classic double-speak, the agressor blames the defender
If ZIO USSA didnt PLAN on bombing Syria back to the stone-age - a la Iraq - then the Russians WOULDN'T be there!!!
Thank God for Putin.
My prayer every night before I fall asleep!
Can Russia fire a nuke from a sub at full speed?
Borei-class submarines can launch ICBMs while moving underwater. I'm not sure about full speed, though. The only problem is that there are only three in active service.
Their guided missile cruisers also have MIRV ICMB capability.
"We would welcome constructive Russian contributions to the counter-ISIL effort, but we've been clear that it would be unconscionable for any party, including the Russians, to provide any support to the Assad regime," White House spokesman Eric Schultz said."
What a fucking arrogant country we are. We have get rid of these zio neocons that are leading us to WWIII.
Russian forces have begun participating in military operations in Syria in support of government troops, three Lebanese sources familiar with the political and military situation there said on Wednesday.
The sources, speaking to Reuters on condition they not be identified.....
Good Grief! Hey, Baghdad Bob,,, is that you?
I liked how Reuters declared their "account" as the "most forthright yet".
How would they know? Are they claiming they know more than what they had published from other sources...putting to paper account they knew not to be "forthright"? The propaganda is strange these days in it's ineptness.
It's beginning to look like Crimyria [sic]," the official told Fox News.
'CRIMYRIA'? REALLY?
Did this DROOLING IMBECILE US Government 'official' graduate from Harvard, by any chance? And how exactly does the situation in the Crimea resemble that in Syria? OOPS-sorry-tough question for any ivy league Downs Syndrome patient....
GOOD NIGHT!
It's easy for them to answer, "The situation is very similar to that in Crimyria (I'm leaving their stupidity in) because when we sponsored a coup in Ukraine like we are in Syrai, Russia stepped in to protect it's most vital interests in the territory pissing us off. It's very similar to Crimyria."
"Uhhhh...strike that...it wasn't on the record right?"
I would not want to be a member of the National Guard right now...
National Guard?
Yes. Although intended to defend the US of A from hostile invaders, in recent years they've been shipped into harm's way in places like Kuwait (1991), Iraq (2006), and Afghanistan (2008). Pawns in the great game.
I guess some of those "officials" who spoke to FOX news are simply jealous.
The buildup is a precursor to Russia granting citizenship to everyone in Syria.
#RussianBearHugsMatter
Who can I trust - do you have my back.../
Crimea is RUSSIA, you numbskulls. They voted to join Russia and already had a base there.
Syria already had a base in Syria.
The Useless Snakes is just pissed off becausse now they can't steal Syria vis a vis a ZioNist puppet .
I wonder if the real comparison between Syria and Crimea is that NATO cannot install a missile base in either one, so the evil plotters in D.C. are crying in frustration.
Russia acquired Crimea in 1783 the same year the Treaty of Paris gave independence to French-backed rebels in that space between Canada and Mexico
Russia does not understand democracy. Elections are processes you rig to get the right result. The Crimea election is a very good example. 33% of the population are/were muslim tartars who hated Russia thanks to Stalin. When have 99% ever voted for anything outside of totalitarian and authoritarian regimes? Crimea should probably be part of Russia but a 99% vote in favour of becoming part of Russia just proves it was rigged.
Tatars were also oppressed under the Ukrainians and the ones still in Crimea do not necessarily agree with the self-proclaimed "leaders" who fled the region. I've read numerous articles that indicate the remaining Tatars in Crimea are in a "wait and see" mode regarding the new regional government there.
Russia stopped the Tatar slave trade 1700's
ended raids and selling beautiful black sea women, and other depradations.
so justified oppression
If not certain radical groups not controlled slavery would continue, as it actually does, but very small
among certain that are connected to Caucaus gangs, where is more common.
bs
Tatars were about 10%
most voted with rest of Crimeans
a few thousand have left Crimea
you know nothing about Tatars
Head of Russia Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina is of Tatar heritage
Tatars normal especially Volga regions.
I wonder now if the "increased" Russian presence in Syria (aka: improving a base in Latakia, which is one of Assad's strongholds) might work in Russia's and Syria's favor.
If the Russians hunker down in Tartus and Latakia, they will provide a safe place for Assad if Western forces ever manage to overthrow his government. Russia could offer his "government at large" a safe haven, refuse to recognize the legitimacy of any new government, and hold onto those bases indefinitely with Assad in residence as the "legitimate" leader still in Syria.
That way, even if Western forces manage to conquer their client ISIS forces, Syria would remain a frozen conflict and would not qualify for NATO membership. The oil companies and Qatar could still lay a pipeline across Syria to Turkey, but no "official" NATO forces would be in the country and Russia would control the Syrian coastline between those two bases. And Russia would thank the West for making it all possible!
the oil price will be higher soon.
The price of oil rises BECAUSE the US war machine uses as much energy as Nigeria and buys forward
War broke out in 1914 because Russia was growing too fast economically and Germany saw a "window of opportunity" which had to be seized. France had roped Britain in as a counterweight fearing German business expansion in the Middle East after Berlin-Baghdad Railway..........Britain gained 25 years.........after WW2 Britain gained 22 years since Germany surpassed the UK in 1967 economically.
The US is terrified of Germany linking up with Russia and degrading its maritime power - Ukraine and weak Merkel were used to block that alliance, now it is China with Russia and Iran and India that scares the US so much it is destabilising Turkey, Italy, France and Germany in its mad game to wipe Israel's rivals from the map and turn the Middle East into a Saudi Sunni Caliphate threating Russia's southern borders.
I don't know how people in Atlanta feel but I would not count on a radiation-free future with such clowns at Foggy Bottom.........the drums of war are beating ever louder
as the game wars on the more influencial chess pieces start moving
There is a superb article about Klaus Fuchs and the Cambridge 5 spy ring in the Guardian.
The new book on Fuchs, who admitted to sending Project Manhattan secrets to Stalin, bears new light on what motivated his actions.
It is now argued that people like him of the scientific community, on the leading edge of the project, were "horrified" by the decisive comptetitive advantage that the Atom bomb could give ONE nation in the aftermath of Berlin's collapse. Oppenheimer, the lead player on that team, was suspected of the same inclinations although never accused of spying for the Reds. He did think that "his" bomb was a nasty invention.
So Fuchs according to this new reasoning may have considered himself an agent working for the greater interests of humanity by making the Manhattan project's baby a universal toy in order to create a more level playing field amongst the psychopaths.
It could be argued that he as a spy did a lot to achieve that, as the Cuban stand off showed : MAD was avoided by the balance of nuclear terror between rival superpowers.
Their MIC "rednecks" and gooks and psychopathic "Nuke the Japs to hell" deniers could then have repeated it all over the world if Fuchs hadn't fast-fed that bag of tricks to the Ruskis.
God works in strange ways for some and the Devil does similar things for others. Take your pick.
On an analagous note Magellan did the first round trip around the world in a boat for Queen Isabella of Spain. Magellan was a portuguese sailor, one of the best and brightest of their great generation. Frustrated at not obtaining the support he wanted from Portugal's king he went to the rival Spanish King and got the ships he wanted for his venture.
After and even during the makings of his success he was treated as a traitor by the Portuguese and as the world's greatest navigator by his successors. He did more than Columbus to make "around the world in 80 days" and the discovery of all continents a do-able game.
We now consider him a benefactor of humanity; not a traitor to his country of origin.
There you are; one man's traitor can become humanity's benefactor in another age !
Fuchs, Fuchs were the F*** are you?
Maybe Snowden is a spiritual son of Fuchs; he wants to make the Internet scamming and the NSA spooking a more level playing field.
Some people consider the world as their oyster. Who can judge them, if they stand on the side of "transparency" and information dissemination; whatever the BRASS HATS and the warmongering psychos who run nations like the current neo-cons may say.
That was long known about Klaus Fuchs.....he stated that as his reasons
falak
Stalin, like today's America, provided a great facade for outsiders like Fuchs. All these spys were on the Soviet payroll long before anyone squeaked out altruistic motivations for their crimes.
Snowden took great risk and at best he gets to live in Russia for the rest of his life.
Snowden is a hero. Fuchs, not so much.
K
"It's Starting To Look Like Crimea", What???? Are they going to have a referendum to determine the will of the people, that whole thing about self determination???? What a crazy idea, letting people have self determination! Or worse protecting people from 5th century knuckle draggers, that is the job of the worlds 'biggest cop' the USSA!!! No, I did not waste my time reading the article. :-)
Hilarious thumbnail pic
US gov are the bad guys that must be defeated.. along with Wall St bankers and Israel.... after they are defeated the world shall be a better place
not a better place,, a MUCH BETTER PLACE
We need a new US.
Things could not have worked out better for ISRAHELL. It has rid its arch enemy Syria of half its population....leaving them free to lay claim to half of Syria when they call off their lap dogs....ISIL....
Some how geopolitics always seems to wrk in ISRAHELLS favor...God must be on their side.....what else could explain all this luck.
A supernatural power is on their side. I don't think it's God however.
I call it quantatative war mongering,or QWM,for short..It's when all the bankrupt nations on earth print more money,to fund wars that no one can ever win,but add a full 2% to annual GDP growth..
WTF let me understand…
We (USA) lost 1 billion (with the “B”) in weapons to ISIS, courtesy of US tax payers, and the military industrial complex sold 3 billions (with the “B”) in weapons to neighboring countries so that they could defend themselves from the above lost weapons, privatizing however the profits…
We keep arming in a shady way any militia in the region…
BUT… we say that Putin is SHADY because he is OPENLY sending troops in Syria???
WTF WTF WTF
What is people smoking???
I need some of that shit, whatever you are high on...
:-D
Beside, Crimea IS RUSSIAN, full of RUSSIAN SPEAKING PEOPLE, and was always full of RUSSIAN MILITARY, having always had military basis on its territories. So the Russians never had to send troops there, they were already there in the first place... morons...
So why are there people shooting at these "Russian" guys anyhow? It seems that per you thesis, the locals are shooting themselves for some reason that has to do with the word moron... SO CONFUSING lol...
No one is shooting at anybody in Crimea. What you probably meant was the Donbass region of Ukraine, where the Ukrainian military is shelling its own citizens because they have their own opinion on how they should live their lives, and it differs from the official state propaganda.
Russians never had to send troops there, they were already there in the first place... morons...
Morons is too kind for some of these idiots. In the spring of 2014 there was a treaty IN PLACE between Ukraine and Russia that allowed at least 25,000 Russian troops to be based at the Russian naval port at Sevastopol in Crimea. The other thing that is conveniently overlooked by some of the morons is that Crimea was historically a part of Russia - at least since the mid 1700's - until Nikita Khrushchev "gave" Crimea to the Ukraine in 1954. On Khrushchev's motivations for the transfer, by his great grand-daughter Nina, from Wikipedia:
"Nikita Khrushchev was very fond of Ukraine, so I think to some degree it was also a personal gesture toward his favorite republic. He was ethnically Russian, but he really felt great affinity with Ukraine."
I wouldn't say we lost $1 billion in assets to ISIS, more like allocated military assets to ISIS. When a military leaves behind equipment, they scuttle it so its useless to the enemy. This is the way its been for thousands of years.
We left the keys in ignition and a full tank of fuel for these folks,,, on purpose in my opinion.
The US doesn't want the equipment to be useless....they want to stir up war in the Middle East.
ISIS took/stole/captureds/over ran and grabbed this stuff from the Iraqi "army" cough cough... Maybe you missed that very important part. I don't think you did -- even though you pretend you did...
We left the keys in ignition and a full tank of fuel for these folks,,, on purpose in my opinion.
Very true . . .
The vast industrial military complex (the USA) needs to stir up war in order to stay in business. Very simple...
The vast industrial military complex (the USA) needs to stir up war in order to stay in business. Very simple...
That's part of it for sure. Don't forget the other BIG part of it is the "west" (aka the USA and their allies) need to steal land from Syria to allow a pipeline to be built to transport crude and/or natural gas from the criminal regimes in Qatar, the UAE and Saudi Arabia to Europe. It's no coincidence that those three arab countries are also heavily funding the efforts to topple the Assad government in Syria.
Why can't they go through Iraq? Too unstable?
Why can't they go through Iraq? Too unstable?
Their proposed pipeline would be going through Iraq but since Iraq is a couple of hundred miles east of the Mediterranean they will also have to go through Syria (to the west of Iraq) to reach the Med . . . therein lies their (i.e. the USA and their allies) problem and one of the primary reasons they want to get rid of Assad. Because Assad will not allow a pipeline carrying products from Qatar, the UAE or Saudi Arabia to go through Syria.
For all of you who don't believe the conflict in Syria is really about building a pipeline need to take a look at this article, just posted on ZH:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-10/competing-gas-pipelines-are-fue...
From the post:
The true agenda to hijack Syria’s revolt quickly became evident, with talking heads inserting Syria’s alliance with Iran as a threat to the security and interests of the United States and its allies in the region. It’s no secret that Syria’s government is a major arms, oil and gas, and weapons ally of Iran and Lebanon’s resistance political group Hezbollah.
But it’s important to note the timing: This coalition and meddling in Syria came about immediately on the heels of discussions of an Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline that was to be built between 2014 and 2016 from Iran’s giant South Pars field through Iraq and Syria. With a possible extension to Lebanon, it would eventually reach Europe, the target export market.
And this:
“A battle is raging over whether pipelines will go toward Europe from east to west, from Iran and Iraq to the Mediterranean coast of Syria, or take a more northbound route from Qatar and Saudi Arabia via Syria and Turkey. Having realized that the stalled Nabucco pipeline, and indeed the entire Southern Corridor, are backed up only by Azerbaijan’s reserves and can never equal Russian supplies to Europe or thwart the construction of the South Stream, the West is in a hurry to replace them with resources from the Persian Gulf. Syria ends up being a key link in this chain, and it leans in favor of Iran and Russia; thus it was decided in the Western capitals that its regime needs to change."
Wang (is that rude?)
Whenever I see your name, I stop scrolling and usually find myself in agreement with you. Alas, not on this topic.
As you must be quite committed to the Qatari Pipeline Theory I won't trouble you or myself with a long, rambling argument.
I will just say:
Keep up the good work.
Who is this "we" Kemosabe? You aren't an American nor are you probably even in the US.
BTW. How is Putin going to handle this once ISIS starts sending young Russian men home from Syria unfortunately in much worse shape (AKA dead) than when they showed up? He's already in waaaay over his head in Crimea, now he wants another war in Syria whereby he WILL take casualties. His boots on the ground will haunt him -- watch and see -- nevermind reenrgizing the Muslim mess up in Chechnya. Bad move Pooty. Bad move...
Bad reply, hammerhead, bad reply...
Wonder if these harpings are by the same military leaders who exagerated and falsified the ISIS threat, according to 50 intelligence analysts? Buncha damned liars.
I dont buy the whole 'ISIS is US sock puppet' conspiracy. Therefore I would think the appropriate US response would be "Umm, go ahead, have fun".
PS - I knew as soon as I saw the headline that the Pravda All Volunteer Editorial Brigade would be out in full parade dress. Thanks for not dissapointing. ;)
I dont buy the whole 'ISIS is US sock puppet' conspiracy. . . .
I guess you are a resident of the State of Denial then, right? This is a perfect example of a person that gets their "news" from MSM sources.
Yes because "PrisonPlanet" is the fountain of all things cough cough factual...
The irony, Guys like you won't believe the MSM about damned near anything, but however, some guy on the interweb under a fake name reciting some other guy on the interweb with a fake name -- sitting in a basement somewhere dreaming of "Planet-X and the UN (via US Navy SEALS) will take over Texas" -- now THAT guy you will believe...
Irony is a riot sometimes...
Its funny. I'm new here. But a simple cursory investigation of the comments would indicate these approximate statistics.
40% = Iranian cyber goons.
20% = Russian cyber goons
20% = Chinese cyber goons.
Of course, they are all "honest hard working middle class Americans screwed by the Obama machine"
And the final 20%?
= ACTUAL Americans dumber than a box of wet rocks that believe those numbers above are their actual "American buddies telling it like it is"...
You forgot to include your own percentage under Israeli cyber goon category.
Forget the narrative coming out of the White House. When the neocons, (State Deaprtment), and General Allen went bahind the administrations back and tried to make a deal with Turkey for a "no fly zone", Obama immediately de-activated the Patriot missils in Turkey and ordered other NATO countries to do the same. They are in the process of being removed. Now the Syrian Air Force can not only bomb the hell out of ISIS but follow them into Turkey when they retreat. Obama then made a deal with the Russians and now they are gearing up to destroy ISIS. Russia realizes if they are not stopped in Syrian, they will move into Crimea and Russia itself. Most of the European countries are backing the Russians privately because they realize it is the only way to stop the flow of refuges which easily could mushroom into the millions, collapsing the European economy even more.
It is not the first time that the neocons in the State Department has went behind Obama's back. The White House had a non-violent deal in Ukraine but the State Department, (Nuland), went ahead with the violent and bloody take over. Same as with Benghazi. The embassy was being used to run weapons to the terrorist, (State Deoartment again with Hillary at the helm). When the shit hit the fan and state ask for help, the White House told the military to stand down, "You got yourself in this mess, now get yourself out!"
This is why the White House is making the deal with Iran, to change the balance of power in the middle east. He is going to stop the neacons in the State Department backed by Israel and this is why he has been removing the neocons in the Pentagon.
Watch was the White House does and not what he says!!!!
jj
Interesting argument. I have sometimes wondered if Obama is trying to cut his puppet-strings. I will watch what happens next with your argument in mind.
If the chimp does, he'll be JFK'ed in a heartbeat.
Excellent points!!
Bingo. good post
Pay-back time for what the Neo-Cons( Neo-Nazis) in the State Department did in Ukraine by supporting elements of nazi fanatics and Chechen rebels linked to Saudi Arabia and The United States. Overthrowing the Ukrainian Government,they installed the U.S. puppet regime.Ukraine has turned into a hellhole of a bankrupt run down ghettoized dump similar to Detroit but a million times bigger.It's designed to get the U.S. and the E.U. to put hundreds of billions into a corrupted socialist society left over from the Soviet era.Syria is the same.You gradually bust the U.S. budget slowly by getting them to support their terrorists and bog them down so that the neo-cons do anything except spend the money at home to improve their society.This is old communist philosophy that the U.S. will go bust by internal self destruction by their own right-wing leaders.Continue to get them to outspend themselves around the globe.Ronald Reagan actually bust the Soviet Union that way but paid a hell of a price through large deficits,but now that philosophy is working against the United States.$20 trillion debt and over $200 Trillion in entitlements when Obuma's war machine gets out of office.$$$
Lol...
He can't do that to our pledges....
...only WE can do that to our pledges!
"We would welcome constructive Russian contributions to the counter-ISIL effort, but we've been clear that it would be unconscionable for any party, including the Russians, to provide any support to the Assad regime," White House spokesman Eric Schultz said.
In other words; "We welcome Russian involvement if they do exactly what we tell them to do but they better not interfere with our plans to overthrow another democratically elected goverment that we don't like". This kind of hypocritical bullshit makes me ashamed to be an American.
How do they even know what that word means. I suppose they can 'google' things, too.
Russia is protecting its interests. I've been posting about this for several years. Russia and Syria have close ties over natural gas. Syria and Iran have a treaty between them that if one gets attacked, the other comes to its aid. China and India had been trading gold for oil with Iran bypassing U.S. sanctions. The reason so many Americans were opposed to attacking Assad in Syria in 2013 is because it could start WWIII. That's 4 and possibly FIVE NUCLEAR POWERS involved: Russia, China, India, the U.S., and possibly even Israel could get dragged into it. When central banks begin to lose control of a fiat currency backed by nothing which the U.S. dollar is, they historically take countries into major wars. They make profits from the interest on war loans. Major wars are used to prop up economies. The U.S. govt has been poking sticks at Iran, Syria, and Russia for several years. This is not a game. The BRICS nations had formed to bypass the U.S. dollar as world reserve currency because the world knows the dollar is on its last leg. The BRICS are Brazil, Russia, India, China, S. Africa, and a number of others that are part of it. This is a currency war, an attempt to hold on to power. But it's heading towards a real war and the people don't want more war. But the banks and those desperately holding on to power don't care how many innocent people are going to die. They simply do not care. Then what should've happened? A real correction in our economy. President Calvin Coolidge kept his hands off the depression of 1920/21 and allowed the correction. It was severe. Businesses failed. People lost money. But new growth came up out of the ashes. It only lasted about a year. The corruption is so deep today that no one wants to fail; they want the tax payers to bail them out through central bank money printing. This inflation shows up in the rising prices of everything. It's a hidden tax on the tax payers. But eventually, the pie shrinks to nothing and then wars begin. This is the point we are at. Unless the people understand this, they will be misled by the media and those in power.
Good Analysis
Israeli jets have been bombing Syria off and on for a long time. Very seldom reported.
Israel regime is the one that has to go, NOT Assad.
Actually Israel should be disbanded and all its leaders held for war crimes in a type of Nuremberg Trial.
To include Asswad. Barrel bombs on innocents? Perhaps you've heard of them?
you mean US custer bombs, which were designed to kill more civilians than barrel bombs.
And they're totally kosher.
Israel and Kiev love 'em.
Asswad is droppping US cluster (not custer) bombs on Syrian civilians? Oh my! Thats real news! Do tell us all more!
No, dude, Netanyahooo is dropping cluster bombs on the Gazans, the Palestinians, the Syrians -- anybody whose land the Israelis covet.
the Saudis are also using (american) cluster bombs against the Yemenis (Houthis).
proof or shutup...
Your line about "the people don't want more war" reminded me of this famous quote:
“Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America nor, for that matter, in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. ... [V]oice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” Hermann Goring, founder of the Gestapo.
True then, true now.
Yeah, you keep it up Putin and you WON'T be getting a Whitehouse Christmas card this December...
THAT will sting.
Russia is preparing for when Assad moves to Latakia to start a new Alawite state.
It can't be long before chemical warehouses start blowing up in Russia.
If Putin were truly smart, he'd make airstrikes against Reuters and the Associated Press as his opening move...
Nuking Switzerland and the BIS would provide a better outcome for the world...