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"They're Making Idiots Of Us!": Eastern Europe Furious At West For Doing Gas Deals With Russian Devils

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Back in June, when Greece was still predisposed to waving around an MOU for participation in the Turkish Stream natural gas pipeline in a desperate attempt to play the Russian pivot card and force Brussels to blink, we remarked that the Turkish Stream MOU with Greece wasn’t the only preliminary energy deal Gazprom inked at the St Petersburg International Economic Forum. 

The company also signed a memorandum of intent with Shell, E.On and OMV to double the capacity of the Nord Stream pipeline — the shortest route from Russian gas fields to Europe — to 110bcm/year.

That, we said, proves Russia is making progress in efforts to facilitate the unimpeded flow of gas to Europe even as the crisis in Ukraine escalates.

Nearly three months later and Ukraine isn’t happy. Neither is Slovakia. Here’s Bloomberg:

Eastern European nations set to lose billions of dollars in natural gas transit fees are lambasting western Europe for striking another pipeline deal with Russia that will circumvent Ukraine.

 

The prime ministers of Slovakia and Ukraine criticized an agreement between western European companies from Germany’s EON AG to Paris-based Engie with Russian pipeline gas export monopoly Gazprom PJSC to expand a Baltic Sea link. Western European leaders and companies are “betraying” their eastern neighbors, Slovakia’s

 

Robert Fico said after meeting Ukraine’s Arseniy Yatsenyuk in the Slovak capital of Bratislava on Thursday.

 

Gazprom and EON, Engie, Royal Dutch Shell Plc, OMV AG and BASF SE signed an agreement last week to expand Nord Stream by 55 billion cubic meters a year, or almost 15 percent of current EU demand. Ukraine, already struggling to avoid a default amid a conflict with Moscow-backed separatists in its east, is set to lose $2 billion a year in transit fees while Slovakia would lose hundreds of millions of euros, the leaders said.

 

Russia is trying to cut how much gas it ships via Ukraine’s Soviet-era pipelines as international courts arbitrate in pricing disputes between the nations, echoing spats that caused supplies to Europe to halt several times during the past decade. Russia currently ships about a third of its Europe-bound gas via Ukraine, down from about two-thirds in 2011, when the Nord Stream pipeline under the Baltic Sea started supplying Germany directly.

 


 

Nord Stream-2, set to start supplying Europe in 2019, completely neglects Polish interests and hurts the EU’s unity in the face of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s “aggression” in Ukraine, Polish President Andrzej Duda said on Wednesday. Ukraine’s Yatsenyuk called the project “anti-Ukrainian and anti-European” on Thursday.

 

“They are making idiots of us,” Fico said. “You can’t talk for months about how to stabilize the situation and then take a decision that puts Ukraine and Slovakia into an unenviable situation.”

Well, sure you can.

In fact, when it comes to making grand public declarations about “stabilizing” unstable geopolitical situations and then turning around and doing something completely destabilizing, the West (and especially the US) are without equal, as evidenced by all manner of historical precedent including Washington’s efforts to help sack Viktor Yanukovych whose ouster precipitated the conflict in Ukraine in the first place. And make no mistake, to the extent there’s energy and money involved, that’s all the more true which is why it isn’t at all surprising that Western Europe would facilitate a deal that lets Gazprom bypass a war zone if it means getting natural gas to countries that “matter” in a more efficient way.

Now that doesn't mean the EU won't cover its tracks by filing anti-trust charges against Gazprom or by publicly decrying the Kremlin's alleged role in fueling Ukraine's civil war, but what it does mean is that the interests of war-torn nations and their beleaguered masses simply don't matter when there's natural gas involved.

Just ask a Syrian refugee.

 

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Fri, 09/11/2015 - 12:42 | 6536478 junction
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Meanwhile, on the oil front: "The price of oil could tumble even further to a low of $20 (17.73 euros) a barrel – that’s the warning from Goldman Sachs in a report published on Friday.

It blames the global oversupply which it says is even worse than had been expected.

The investment bankers say they expect the surplus to continue next year.

Over the past two months crude oil has plunged from around $60 (53.2 euros) a barrel to below $40 (35.4 euros) at one point."

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:03 | 6536560 Haus-Targaryen
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If you consider the rift between the UK & mainland Europe "West" then the EU is splitting in 4 directions.  

Warms my heart to watch.  

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:21 | 6536637 Manthong
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"They're Making Idiots Of Us!

Now you know what it’s like to be an ordinary, working American citizen.

 

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:23 | 6536645 knukles
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Hah ha ha ha
So whoda think this was gonna happen, eh?
Like blaming everything on the Chinese for the world slowdown when they're just the canary in the coal mine.   Nah, they wouldn't do that to us, would they? 

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:25 | 6536667 the phantom
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"they are making idiots of us", said Fico---------------  No, actually you are doing a bang-up job of that yourself there Fido.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 16:56 | 6537617 Latina Lover
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Without Crimea and Donbass, the Ukraine is a worthless shithole, a bottomless pit of graft, criminality and corruption. 

 Who in their right mind would trust a nazi puppet Kiev government to manage the current pipeline, given their endless theft of russian gas, IMF loans and constant threats against their own citizens? 

As for Poland, they will have to buy their own mouthwash and knee pads from giving endless blowjobs to the USSA. Further who in the USSA even knows where Slovakia is, much less gives a shit?

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 21:04 | 6538283 Bumpo
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Why does the map show the Crimea belonging to Ukraine. LOL

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:00 | 6536822 Freddie
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Zio-America is being destroyed and they are destroying Europe and turning it into a multicultural shithole.  the Geermans better lynch Merkel and throw her fat ass out now.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 18:33 | 6537920 giovanni_f
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No loss for the EU when UK fucks off.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:22 | 6536649 doctor10
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The central bankers worldwide are desperate to restart consumer spending-somewhere somehow.

Low /non existent interest rates haven't worked. Now they're trying cheap energy-a move that may actually help China more than the USA

They've yet to address the regulatory, legal, taxation and monopoly  burdens in the West that mire consumers.

China has less of those burdens-and those burdens that are present are less well-developed and subscribed to than those in the West.

 

 

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:42 | 6536733 sun tzu
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They are all cannon fodder for Washington and Brussels. That includes us. 

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:11 | 6536879 ThisIsBob
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20 bucks a barrel doesn't get pipelines through Syria.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:39 | 6537012 Bay Area Guy
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junction - Goldman's call on oil is probably the best indication (other than perhaps a Gartman or Cramer call for oil to go lower) that oil has found a bottom and will rise from here.  Goldman likely wants to go long on oil for its own investments and wants to shake others out to get a little lower price.  That seems to be the typical move in the Goldman playbook - screw its clients and make money on the company account.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 20:59 | 6538270 hopefulbutwary
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In 1966 I lived on a boat. A barrel of oil was $16 and lasted us six weeks. It was not particularly warm in that 32-footer, but the cook stove did its job.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 12:43 | 6536483 Bananamerican
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Ukraine, already struggling to avoid a default amid a conflict with Moscow-backed separatists in its east, is set to lose $2 billion a year in transit fees while Slovakia would lose hundreds of millions of euros"

"you fucked up. You trusted us" -Uncle Scam

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 12:53 | 6536523 Gambit
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Bunch of fucking children - sorry retarded children, children have more common-sense.  These dumb fucks think there are no adverse consequences to their stupid decision and that they can suspend reality.  One of these days the general populace of these nations are gonna be fed up with these cocksuckers and bring out the guillotines. 

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 12:58 | 6536549 farflungstar
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The guillotines, the gallows, the firing squads - can't come soon enough for these destructive fantasists who script "reality"

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 12:56 | 6536537 cheech_wizard
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My thoughts exactly... you'd think countries all over the world would wake up to the fact that Uncle Scam is going to bend them over the moment any opportunity presents itself.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 15:18 | 6537206 Bankster Kibble
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Maybe that missing $1.8 billion tranche that ended up in Kolomoisky's pocket may have had something to do with it.

Sat, 09/12/2015 - 07:15 | 6539072 HowdyDoody
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The ordinary Ukrainian citizens are going to be paying that back that $1.8 billion (plus interest) for decades, or selling their children to do so.

Kolomoisky is so dodgy he was banned from entering the US. Yet suddenly, he gets a free pass into the US. Perhaps he made the US an offer they could not refuse - let me in or I spill the beans on the MH17 shootdown.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 12:44 | 6536487 BlussMann
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The USAN's have been making fools of Europeans for the past 60 + years - the coup de gras is millions of Sand Monkeys invading the Euro homeland at this very moment.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:17 | 6536911 Freddie
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The same zio people are doing this to America.  Meanwhile - dumb white American males cheer on their Trayvon heroes like stupid sheep.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 16:01 | 6537404 Iwanttoknow
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perhaps it was not a good thing for europeans to colonize the lands of the sand monkeys.

what goes around, comes around.

Sat, 09/12/2015 - 07:21 | 6539076 HowdyDoody
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The Europeen politicians certainly. The creation of NATO pre-ICBM days was always about putting a bulls eye on Europe, forcing the USSR to target Europe instead of the US.

The migrant crisis is Zion fucking the EU for its temerity in criticising Israel and supporting BDS, which creating Arab free lebensraum. People in the US are also increasingly supporting BDS, so the US' turn will come. Netanyahu has said as much, stating that the US is a pawn to be exploited and discarded when the time comes.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 12:47 | 6536496 Salsa Verde
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You all didn't actually think NATO gave a shit about you, did you?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! 

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:50 | 6536776 Free_Spirit
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useful idiots....       
Fri, 09/11/2015 - 15:11 | 6537174 Fractal Parasite
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You can't save these people from themselves. They still believe the fairy tale that Nudelman & McCain will bring them freedom and prosperity, cheap gaz and Mercedes.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 12:57 | 6536536 Tracerfan
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They are not making idiots of you.  You already are idiots.  Enjoy the fruits of being lackeys and of your idiotism.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:45 | 6536750 sun tzu
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Idiots aren't the brightest so it took them a few years to realize they are idiots

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:58 | 6536811 Christophe2
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Big idiots are generally in stubborn denial about their idiocy.  Case in point: the rotten parasites who teamed up with Uncle Sam to screw their compatriots, only to find out that Sam means to dominate, abuse and subjugate everyone, sellout idiots especially.

After all, it is important to keep your right-wing neo-nazi 'allies' in a deep morass of all sorts of acute problems, which serves to make them more amenable to being used in ways that are directly counter to their interests.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:04 | 6536564 agent default
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Good, Good;.  Let the butthurt flow through your body. 

On a more serious note, what did you expect when you aligned yourselves with the sociopaths in the EU and US?  You get zero sympathy from everyone.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:08 | 6536581 trader1
Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:11 | 6536594 agent default
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Butthurt?

Sat, 09/12/2015 - 17:51 | 6540317 trader1
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You would know.  

I enjoyed last night.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 21:40 | 6538430 Ctrl_P
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Have another for being a whiney pussy.

Sat, 09/12/2015 - 17:51 | 6540319 trader1
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CTRL-X

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:09 | 6536583 Volkodav
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crash dummies

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:20 | 6536632 johnlocke445
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It takes some time, but these countries doing deals with the west learn their lessons sooner or later.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:28 | 6536670 Jack Burton
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North Stream under the shallow Baltic is fairly expensive to lay down, but is by far the best solution for both Russia and Germany. Cheap unlimited gas is what German industry wants, and to sell it is what Russia wants. The USA on the other hand, wants neither a prosperous Germany or Russia. In fact, these two making deals is Washington's nightmare!

Look for the USA to foment more war in Ukraine to try and trigger a clean break with Russia by the EU, pushed by NATO and captive politicians like Cameron and Merkel. Also, the USA and it's puppet leaders in France and the UK are going to unleash bombings, drones and ISIS all across the Middle East to UP the migrant count to millions. Washington seeks to weaken, then break Europe by a Russian / European war and economic war. Plus a migrant crisis that weakens EU social order, costs billions and eventually rots the EU from within.

Only a god damned fool can not see that Washington seeks to ruin the European economy and state systems. Migrants and war on Russia are the means. The USA has no allies, only interests.

Those who think Washington is allied with Europe are fools, they want to cripple Europe and Russia at one time. EU leaders are all puppets, doing USA bidding, and planning to jump ship to America if things go bad fast.

I am amazed at those who think Washington is deeply allied with the EU, they are not.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:15 | 6536779 wow thats crazy
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People, people you need to think of this in more of a positive light.

Europe is going through a population boom right now that all. Europe was in a declining birth rate, well not anymore. USA! USA! USA!

They should be thanking the US and not blaming her for this. Whats wrong with a few more mosques in Europe anyways. HAhahahahahaha  FUCK the EU!

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:55 | 6537106 teslaberry
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JACK I'VE been reading your insciteful commentary on here for years ,but it is simply to usa is the devil centric for a long time. 

 

the game is about money profit and oil and nation states are just a few of the players. the big players are the wealthiest families and many of the same german interests are alligned with american family interests. they dont' care about 'europe' they just care aobut money and power. a stronger control is necessary to make more money and that means they must make the peasants suffer die and move and work for their bread and roof and pot to piss in. 

 

you put too much stock in the concept of the governing natoin state as the primary mover in these situations. if it were the csae, than the sheer incompetence of the governments would result in a total breakdown of all organized effort rather quickly. but it's NOT the case. 

 

game of thrones . think game of thrones.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 15:04 | 6537148 BarkingCat
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All that could be true but it is EU itself at fault for being invaded by the creatures from the south.
I have written this already a couple of times but it is worth repeating.
To stop the flow of "refugees"
A) intercept those vessels at sea.
B) force them to return to port of origin
C) disembark everyone there
D) confiscate the vessel, take it empty to EU
C) scrap the vessel

for extra effectiveness also arrest and jail the crew.
To get real justice find who is financing these voyages and execute them.

And who in the EU is having the Navies stand down and not intercept these vessels?

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 21:44 | 6538446 Ctrl_P
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Been studying the Australian border policy now, have we?

Sat, 09/12/2015 - 00:35 | 6538804 Advoc8tr
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.. beat me to it :)   whether you agree with the intention or not credit where it's due - it worked !   Bit of a waste of time really given one picture of a drowned child caused an immediate pledge to take in 22,000 Syrian refugees ( OK 21,900 + 100 IS crazies in disguise which will be allowed to run amok so the anti-terror law noose can be tightened further)

Sat, 09/12/2015 - 05:59 | 6539050 Lurk Skywatcher
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"To stop the flow of "refugees"
A) blah
B) blah
C) blah
D) blah
C) blah

blah blah arrest blah blah
blah blah justice blah blah execute."

So you advocate treating the symptoms and not the cause?

In 2012 Syria was a net intaker of refugees. What happened? The USA happened.

You want to fix the problem, then start treating the cause. Treating symptoms is for big pharma.

 

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 15:55 | 6537386 Free_Spirit
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"The USA has no allies, only interests.".  

Very nicely put, I'll keep that one handy

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 16:40 | 6537558 CitizenPete
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I typically use that phrase when speaking of Israel.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 23:45 | 6538726 opport.knocks
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The original phrasing of that famous quote from Palmerstom:

“Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests.”

 Lord Palmerston quotes (English Statesman1784-1865)

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 16:35 | 6537539 Freddie
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The Ukraine and Syria/Libya was just another way for USSA/Soros/Zoligarchs to f**k over Europe.   At the same time they F over the USA.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 18:44 | 6537937 giovanni_f
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Jack Burton, you are spot on. Without Germany, US would lose its grip on Europe. Without Europe to suck dry, the US would be completely fucked as it is used to live off of  others productivity. Germany is the key. A propsperous Eurasian economy managed by Germany and Russia has been the nightmare of the angloamerican imperialists eversince. Tey would rather destroy Europe before let it propsper outside their reach.

Sat, 09/12/2015 - 07:23 | 6539078 HowdyDoody
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German industry also wants cheap, well-educated labour. Contrary to the racist thoughts otherwise, Syrians are well educated.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:34 | 6536706 SoDamnMad
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 former German Chancellor, and now pimp, Gerhard Schröder would lend you the money to screw his mother.  I wasted 20 months guarding the former W Germany against Warsaw Pact forces comming down the Fulda Gap for this guy to turn around and get paid by the same people who threatened Germany since the end of the war.  Think next time I go by the BMW dealer I'll scratch a few beamers. Wish I could scratch out his eyes.  I wonder how much Gazprom pays him. May all the Muslim terrorists refugees fuk over Deutschland.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:49 | 6536771 sun tzu
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Why blame the Germans for Uncle Scam stealing 20 months of your life? They are being fucked over by the same NWO cretins as the USA

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 15:09 | 6537169 MSimon
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The Germans could have been having children. But the Russians have the same problem 1.75 TFR. Replacement rate is 2.1.

 

The world population is collapsing. The ME is just a little behind Europe. Iran is 1.6. And who is reproducining in the ME? The Jews. Heh.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 15:27 | 6537254 AlfredNeumann
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Wrong, as always

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 17:10 | 6537689 datura
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"But the Russians have the same problem 1.75 TFR. Replacement rate is 2.1."

You are correct, but the birth rate in Russia is growing, although very slowly. Yes, they still have a long way to go. This is where the new revival of Christianity in Russia may come in handy:-) However, the population of Russia is growing fast now because of external circumstances - i.e. immigrants. But there is a difference between EU and Russia: immigrants who are coming to Russia are mostly Russian-speaking people, or at least culturally similar people. 

Already 2.6 million Ukrainians have come to live in Russia because of the civil war and still more keep coming. Then you can add 2 millions of Crimeans:-) And there are also many people from former Soviet Union countries coming to Russia for a better life. I think this is more than enough for Russia right now. I am actually quite surprised that after such an influx of people in the midst of an economic recession, unemployment in Russia is more or less still the same and very low (5,3 per cent). Unlike EU, I saw how Russian businessmen or state officials went directly to the refugee camps and were selecting employees already there. Most of them could leave the camp in few days and start normal life in Russia. 

Sat, 09/12/2015 - 05:07 | 6539028 Fractal Parasite
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Exactly.

One year ago there was hysteria about how Russia would collapse under the burden of refugee waves. Well, that disappeared off the news ticker quickly.

Those migrants just wanted to live normal lives, not stay in refugee camps or emburden relatives, so they went and got jobs, not least for their own dignity and self-sufficiency.

It's really not rocket science.

Sat, 09/12/2015 - 00:11 | 6538769 opport.knocks
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How did the world get from 2 billion when I was born to 7 billion now? Oh, alens, that's right.

Sat, 09/12/2015 - 03:04 | 6538959 Victor999
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The world population is collapsing.

I think you mean that the world birth rate is collapsing.  The population is still increasing.  But by about 2050 the world population will tuly be collapsing.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:53 | 6537082 worbsid
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Poor baby.  Didn't get any while stationed in Germany.  Didn't even get to Munich for October.  Poor baby, you should have seen all the fun we had in Vietnam.

Sat, 09/12/2015 - 09:12 | 6539207 X_Weatherman
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You were a damn fool for 20 month's and like the rest of the U.S. Military, fascists' dupes.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:41 | 6536729 wow thats crazy
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I bet Gazprom and Western Europe talked about this and knew Poland, Ukraine and the Slovakia would be upset and really really mad!

Then someone said " Fuck eastern Europe" and then everybody laughed!!

and signed the deal over Vodka

 

 

 

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:59 | 6537131 Bankster Kibble
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You mean Nuland is working for Russia?!  Wow, who knew?

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 13:49 | 6536769 roisaber
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Poles? Idiots? No. Whoever would have guessed.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 15:32 | 6537278 Free_Spirit
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These guys couldn't even take responsibility for crashing the plane that wiped out their own leadership, and had to blame Russia despite the cockpit and air traffic voice recorders clearly showing it was pilot error, on command from military passengers on board.   

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:03 | 6536836 casey13
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Maybe they should pay their gas bills and not steal from the hand that feeds them.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:03 | 6536837 Atomizer
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Pay the fucking gas bills Europe. Who wants to sign a long term contact with slow paying subsidized taypayer payment deal? Socialism only works until you run out of other people's money. 

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:05 | 6536849 Peltast
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The Judeo-American Empire won't save the dumbasses of Eastern Europe.

Antagonizing Russia was a huge mistake made by the Neo-Cohens like Nuland and Kagan.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:11 | 6536881 AlfredNeumann
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Thats because you ARE idiots.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:11 | 6536883 Mini-Me
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Europe's "leaders" are sell-outs.  Cheap ones, too.  If enough of them had the balls to stand up to the empire, maybe they wouldn't be eating the shit sandwich right now.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:40 | 6537019 libertysghost
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No "Eastern Europe"...you made idiots of yourselves.  There are too many examples of them "fooling" you in the past for you to not be shaming yourselves at this point.  

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 15:08 | 6537163 Neochrome
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Exactly. Stupid is what stupid does, and Eastern Europe "did" a lot.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 19:48 | 6538109 Raul44
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As the one from that region, I have to agree with you.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 14:45 | 6537046 Herdee
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Europe wants cheap labour dirt cheap,whether it's from Syria or from Ukraine.Somebody has to do the jobs in Germany and the rest of Europe that nobody else wants.Like toilet bowl cleaning for the rich corporations.Same in the U.S.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 15:24 | 6537234 AlfredNeumann
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Difference is here in Europe the toilet cleaners get 14-15 euros an hour minimum wage with 5 weeks vacaton and cheap health care.

Even the law in Germany and here in NL if you hire a putz frau  (cleaning lady) you have to pay their bus or taxi fare to and from your home.  

Sat, 09/12/2015 - 06:18 | 6539059 Singelguy
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More like 8.50 to 10 euros per hour but you are correct about the transportation costs.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 15:28 | 6537257 cookies anyone
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what the fuck did you think it is going to happen, braindead idiots?

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 15:38 | 6537306 quasi_verbatim
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We were better off when these Eastern Europeans were safely behind the Iron Curtain.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 16:05 | 6537424 AlfredNeumann
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I recall very clearly when living and working in Germany in 1995. Germans saying ''Put the wall back up''/

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 15:56 | 6537388 rwe2late
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 What's Kiev going to do

if they can't siphon off

gas deliveries

paid for by Western Europe?

Sat, 09/12/2015 - 07:27 | 6539081 HowdyDoody
Fri, 09/11/2015 - 16:23 | 6537486 localizer
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LMAO, too late, Nord Stream 2 agreements already signed... Western Europe needs Russian gas and it shall be delivered one way or the other. Some very stupid moves by several Eastern/Southern European countries listening to the orders of John Mccain and Co... you reap what you sow, enjoy your zero $$$ for the gas transit...

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 19:20 | 6538033 loveyajimbo
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I guess Bath House Barry is no Ike... is he.

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 20:32 | 6538191 earleflorida
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and that leaves bulgaria where?

russia certainly would like the open-fly-zone via bulgaria, greece, syria... non-stop flights

but? what about that south-stream project delay?

yeah! what about it... now that europe has shown its hand!

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/01/business/international/south-stream-pipeline-project-in-bulgaria-is-delayed.html?_r0    

"A Conduit For Russian Gas, Tangled in Europe"     6/30/14     *(South Stream Pipeline Project in Bulgaria Delayed)

who will blink first when Bulgaria tells the USSA -- no thank you

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 20:41 | 6538223 VW Nerd
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Whenever engaging in politics with Nuland, always wear protection!

Fri, 09/11/2015 - 23:36 | 6538707 CrucialConfront...
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We are the middle men. We demand our share of your trade.

Sat, 09/12/2015 - 02:36 | 6538938 Klemens
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Germany:

The police were under threat of punishment committed not to report on the state of affairs around the flow of refugees or to give interviews!

http://www.hartgeld.com/multikulti.html

Sat, 09/12/2015 - 09:40 | 6539247 X_Weatherman
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What is a good alternatative news outlet on internet from Deutchland?

Sun, 09/13/2015 - 15:00 | 6542802 theallseeinggod
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Well, they are idiots. Bulgaria, the poorest country in the EU bent over because of south stream, and now the germans are laughing. Some people in these countries don't understand the west-Russia crisis was just a game. Countries between Russia and Germany are just pawns to the west. I should know, I live there.

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