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Which one was the actor?
The 'oligarch designer negro pet'.
He's not a negro. He's half white. Which really makes this ironic.
But then again, it's all Bush's fault and he's white.
Heed the Bard: http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard60.html
The Reagan Cult lives.
Yep – because there were no terrorists, unemployed, racial strife, cops murdered or national debt under Reagan.
The Russian economy isn’t so hot right now . . . we’ll call that even, too.
And Iran still doesn’t have nukes.
Did you want your participation trophy now, or later?
Fuck a Reagan, that nigga was a Hollywood homo that was bought and paid for just like all the other puppets. And the motherfucker gets lionized for defeating the Soviets, bullshit the Soviets overstrectched and were brought down by their spending on military adventures. Coincidentally their last adventure was against the exact same cavemen motherfuckers we've been fighting for the last 14 years. Hmmmmm
Obama has been a poor President, but the circumstances have been less than ideal.
Wait until you get a load of the next guy.
Piss poor., and as divisive as it gets.
He can't even pretend he has any real power, thats why he play(badly)so much golf..
GOLF????? "Golf" is a cover....
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=obama+gay+golf+finkenbinder
must be nice... i can't afford to go golfing.
yeah, this article be raycessists
Myopic argument, I agree. The times (and seasons) make a president. Reagan came to power at the end of a Night-Cycle. A rebirth stage: 1983 was the bottoming process of the 1965-1983 Night-Cycle. Any president could have succeeded, relatively speaking, because creative energy and expansion returned from 1983-2001. Of course Obama has been a 'bad president' because he has overseen the 2001-2019 Death Cycle. This is the same reason Jimmy Carter was a horrible president. He presided over a disintegration period. Reagan if elected iin 1972 instead of 1983 would have had the same fate. In fact, however, we elect emblems of the seasons we are entering. The next president will not preside over a growitng economy unless that president serves two terms. Disintegration continues through 2019.
Best Presidents this century:
1911-1929
1947-1965
1983-2001
Worst Presidents this century:
1929-1947
1965-1983
2001-2019
We need to wake up . Instead of worshipping celebrity personalityes for president we should begin to wise up about seasons of expansion and seasons of non-growth and contraction.
Chauncey Gardener, is that you?
There will be growth in the spring.
Miffed;-)
(Life is a State of Mind)
Yes, Chauncey Gardener is running for president. On the New Greenback Party ticket.
Wise up? Buddy, you missed the part about K Street, Super PACs, Oligarchs, Plutocrats, Aristocracy, 1928 inequality levels, and Fed-banker-fiat-driven debt scams.
Those are your "contraction trend markers"
dat be pantload, gonchload, o' d'buttload??? takes ya choices... but yeah hey, gon' be a load arright...
Both were Debt-Money Monopolist operatives.
It is a single agenda...
Continuity of agenda...
Actually, Obama didn't bring down the US economy, it was the Federal Reserve. Let's get our facts straight for the record.
Obama gleefully aided and abetted the Chosenite moneychangers for the Dream From His father was the destruction of America, and other "colonial powers"....didn't you read ""his" boook?
this specific destruction, dating from 2008, had several fathers in addition to the criminal obama. clinton helped (nafta, repeal of glass steagall) and so did bush 2 (big increase in fed debt, further wall street deregulation, lax law enforcement of bankster fraud).
Federal Reserve just prints the currency...the administration comes out with spending and house of representative does the budget. The fed only does what the administration dictates them to print including bailouts guaranteed by the government known as QE.
Bernanke is suspected of having "giving" US dollars away for "free".
BLAME BEN BERNANKE
Budget? What budget? The criminals in DC haven't even bothered to pass an actual "budget" since Barry has been in office. Maybe longer. Just CR after CR, and that is not a "budget".
I realize the budget process has been a scam for decades, but these guys aren't even trying any longer to fake it any longer. And we let them get away with it.
Burn it all down and start over...
Soviet Union collapsed because central planning does not work.
Another thing that does not work is collectivist ownership.
Most of their innovation stagnated and their production output degraded.
In the end the old joke was - "they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work".
Sounds like many other formerly innovative and productive places, does it not?
..and the collapse happens while the average Soviet citizen was more intelligent and much better educated than their American counterparts.
Central planning does work actually. What doesn't is paying everyone the same or at least people in jobs that required little effort the same as some industries that requires lots of effort.
The other thing that didn't work was total state control. Central planning on the other hand works quite well for Russia. Actually, it works quite well for a few. But it requires the assistance from their own people to be able to make it work. So as long as everyone has the same vision, then it works. When the people lost that vision, then it stopped working. Right now, the idea of the development of technology in Russia through agencies like Rostec, Rusnano and agriculture throught he agriculture ministry has actually produced a lot of results. A lot of good results. One being the future of IC using photons rather than just basic electron flow. Private industries in Russia didn't actually create anything and are living off of soviet inventions and infrastructure. Now that is changing of course, but only real private enterprises in Russia that produced any real results without needs of extraction industry or already made soviet industries like shipbuilding and tooling plants, are the tech companies like Yandex, Mail.ru, 1C, etc.
Both extremes of Capitalism and Communism collapse. Capitalism begins to collapse every 36 years: 1929, 1965, 2001...
Communism begins to collapse every 36 years, 'communism' in the sense to alternatives to Capitalism: 1911, 1947, 1983, 2019...
Capitalism is the Growing season: 1911-1929, 1947-1965, 1983-2001...
Communism is the Non-Growth season: 1929-1947, 1965-1983, 2001-2019..
Capitalism is the Spending Season, when we spend our energy, money, in active participation with the outside world. Communism is the Saving Season, when we save our energy, money, in a state of withdrawing from the outside world, seeking wisdom from the inner world, resulting in rebirth. Communism is the Night, Dreaming. Capitalism is the Day, Acting, Building the world again, after it collapsed again, which is does every 36 years. Collapsed, vanished, disappeared in entropic winding down of energy -- went to sleep.
Communism is the world sleeping. Capitalism is the world waking.
We like to be polarized, to have an identity against the 'other pole". The Day-Cycle (capitalism) is about having the identity of the Action Hero. But this figure is both the Action-Hero and the Action-Villain. During the Day-Cycle we have no reflection. When the Day ends we get reflection, looking back, seeing the shadow side of our actions, rediscovering our villainous side.
Every person, every nation is a compound of these two figures, these two states, Spring and Autumn. We flow between these two polar images or gods, the one who builds the world and the one who destroys the world. 1911-1929: building the world again; 1929-1947: destroying the world again (through Nazi fascism); 1947-1965: building the world again; 1965-1983: destroying the world again (through Global Asian Communism); 1983-2001; building the world again; 2001-2019: destroying the world again (Isis, radical Islam); 2019-2037 we will rebuild the world again. This is the pattern during the Life-Season, when the Empire sustains itself (Empires last about 252 years). When the Empire falls, we will face a communionist Dark Age of 1080 years, like Europe did after Rome died.
Reagan gave America no-fault divorce. Anyone divorced should honor him.
The Soviet Union was brought down by $9/bbl oil, they'd be hurtin' for certain at that level today.
Reagan's legacy......... for the brainwashed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02F-3l1EKsA
And the list is long.........
Obama's legacy......... for the brainwashed.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/the-obama-clinton-cloward-piven-legacy/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-06/meanwhile-back-obama-legacy-land
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/240843-obamas-difficult-legac...
http://nypost.com/2015/07/18/obama-has-been-collecting-personal-data-for...
And the list is VERY long.........
Obama. Reagan. Clinton. Bush.
Same coin. Different side.
Let me give you a 'Quick' example:
Reagancare:
Hospital Emergency Departments that accept payments from Medicare to provide an appropriate medical screening examination (MSE) to individuals seeking treatment for a medical condition, regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Lab...
Don't you just love the internet?
Thanks for your links, by the way.
From your source:
"The sole purpose for the EMTALA mandated MSE is to require Emergency Departments to make a determination whether an emergency medical condition does or does not exist, using their normal assessment and diagnostic protocols.."
That is a long way from Reagancare.
Yeah. I love the internet. It allows me to easily check bullshiters.
Nope, Obama is a black muslim anti American
Barry may be the best actor of all, he might have killed himself. How? ACTING!!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HuMShxAq7XQ
easily the best conspiracy youtube video ive ever seen
Sounds plausible. After all, no one ever saw Obama and Osama in the same room at the same time. Come to think of it, no one saw Reagan and Osama in the same room at the same time either. OMG!
100% of people who drink water, die.
Moose... I drink rum, but I put it on ice, and when the ice melts it becomes water.
does that mean I am going to die?
OT, but the water discussion reminds me of a Ben Franklin quote I saw recently.
"In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, and in water there is bacteria."
Broke the mold with old Ben...
From a different perspective, some 6 billion people have been drinking water all their lives and have not yet died.
Find out how tall Bin Laden was, and Obama's height, and then go photoshop that shit.
Gattaca. :P
As anyone who pays any attention to my comments knows, I am bipartisan in my contempt for the political process in this or any other country. So when I say that Reagan was all talk and no action when it comes to fiscal responsibility — http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/12/08/does-obam... — I'm not at all defending Democratic presidents. On the contrary, the national debt (not to mention the far greater monstrosity of unfunded liabilities: ttp://www.newsmax.com/Finance/StreetTalk/Kotlikoff-GDP-debt-deficit/2015/03/10...) — rises regardless of who is president or what party is in power.
And on it goes.
Until it doesn't.
I know, and the sooner all these so-called 'small govt conservatives' understand this and stop worshipping at the alter of St ronnie the better. Reagan LOVED big govt. People seem to only remember his words, not his deeds. Tripled the national debt. He even tried to amend posse comitatus to allow him to use the military to fight the 'war on drugs'.
And the meme of him causing the USSR to collapse is bullshit too. Socialist economies inevitably fail, and they were on their way out long before reagan came into office for a simple reason: socialism doesn't work. Anyone who calls themselves a "reagan republican" is either admitting they are big govt authoritarians or they are revealing their stupidity for not knowing what reagan actually did.(Im talking to you, Rand Paul).
Gvt is not the answer to your problems, gvt is the problem.
probably the most famous reagan quote of all. it is true, by the way. However, simply saying that doesn't mean shit. His ACTIONS accomplished the exact opposite. He may have said a lot of libertarian sounding things, but he did exactly none of them. every aspect of government grew under reagan, every single year.
edit: im curious, are all you guys downvoting me beause you think I am wrong about what reagan did, or because you think it was a good thing?
Having lived as an adult under both Reagan and Obama, I much preferred living under Reagan. Plus, Tip O'Neill had a much greater influence over government spending than do Weepy John and Mitchie Mouse.
Having lived under Reagan and Obama I can say that without Reagan, Obama would not have been possible. Those here who don't understand that Reagan helped pave the way for the reprehensible condition we are in now obviously don't understand the concept of irony as regards to lionizing his legacy as one in favor of less gov't spending.
The Soviet Union was on its way out regardless of what Reagan did. Reagan tripled the debt. And he was a very big part of the increasingly imperialist approach to foreign policy we have seen take hold in the last 3 decades. Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex; Reagan helped make it what it is today. Read David Stockman if you doubt me.
Carl is right. Reagan talked small government, but his actions were solidly big government. I was there and saw it happen. David Stockman can confirm.
Socialist Societies enivitably fail, true, but so do capitalist ones, the ideology stays the same but the practice changes, change is enivitable and inexorable, no ideology remains pure, circumstances change and the way people think changes too, the people who make the changes make them in a way to please themselves or others. Money is God today, I believe so anyway, oft unstated but true none the less, no one cares how you get your money as long as you have it!
Yup. The Reagan vs Obama position is rediculous. Both men were placed in power by the same monolithic group. Both presidencies pushed the same agenda, had equal contempt for the rule of law, and equal contempt for humanity.
But which one invited a black racist like Al Sharpton to the White House hundreds of times?
does that REALLY matter to you? Obamas actions are irrelelvant in an honest appraisal of reagans presidency. what matters is what he did when he was president, and if you are a libertarian, or small govt advocate of any kind, reagan was a terrible president. Sorry, but being "less bad than obama" does not elevate one to the near god like status reagan has attained unless the republican party is populated by a bunch of retards, which it clearly is.
Who's elevating Reagan? Most of us weren't even born when he was president.
So Obama hanging with black racists like Al Sharpton and radical leftist anarchists like Bill Ayers is irrelevant?
Maybe it is irrelevant for old libtards living in the old folk's home collecting social security and who wet their diapers in excitement every time Ron Paul's name is mentioned?
Meanwhile, those of us who still have to live and work in the real world know the even greater mess that your "irrelevant" Marxist Muslim dictator and his cronies have made these past few years.
my point is that they were/are both bad presidents, for many of the same reasons, and some different reasons. you have posted this stuff about obama in an obvious atempt to defend reagan, in several spots. As I said, being better than obama is hardly saying a lot, and isnt really praise worthy unless you have REALLY low standards.
Reagan didnt hang out with radical leftists or black racists. Fine, one point to reagan. But simply NOT doing that is a reason to priase him, and make a bunch of posts like that all over this thread in some kind of half assed attempt to make it look like obama is somehow uniquely bad rather than another bad president in a long line of bad presidents that included reagan. Just liek your post below about obama letting a bunch of illegals in. News flash, reagan did the same shit. Reagan also tripled the national debt, massively ramped up the war on drugs, had idiotic foriegn policy, gave us alan greenspan, grew govt bigger every single year, grew the welfare state, grew the military, and squashed civil liberties. But, no he did not hang out with a bunch of lefty commie radicals. wahoo.
Gvt is run by the military in case you did'nt know.
OUCH, that hurt
how does one explain all the broken election promises then? administration after administration?? The new president is "briefed" about all the things they did'nt know before coming president, who briefs them??? The military naturally, not the out going administration on a helicopter or the folks clearing out their desks to find new jobs. Don't be in denial here folks, you will get bit in the ass if you think otherwise.
Negative...Eisenhower warned us about the military when he left office,
but most ZHers were not born yet when that took place.
I can't imagine why you got 4 down votes for your post. Even if I didn't agree with
your premise, it would not warrant a down vote.
Obviously the military type, once stamped, they always deal the same cards.
Honest question: worse human being, bill ayers or Henry Kissinger? I don't know a ton about bill ayers. I watched a documentary about the weather underground. Listened to him interviewed a few times. They/he opposed the military industrial complex and weren't responsible for the deaths of millions of brown people. I would be willing to bet that ayers is profoundly disappointed by the Obama presidency... As are most real "liberals". Just like real "conservatives" should have been profoundly disappointed by Reagan. At this point, it should be clear to any reasonably minded person that this is all a farce. Sadly, people have too much energy invested in the lie to see it.
henry kissinger, hands down. Bill ayers my be a psychotic nutjob, and very well may do worse things than kissinger if he ever had the power, but he is a piker compared to what kissinger has done.
Less bad maybe the best we dare hope for.
Hoping for a savior seems more fultile than anything else.
less bad is looking to be a little too optimistic judging by who is running for president...
Im not hoping for or looking for a savior. that person does n't exist. there is no easy way out of the mess we have created for ourselves. my only point is that ronald reagan was a part of creating this mess, and part of growing fedzilla to its massive size. part of the problem, not the solution, and the sooner everyone realizes this and stops praising this man for being something he was not the better.
Its a sorry state of affairs when such an obvious big govt authoritarian is hailed by those who claim to advocate small, limited, constitutional govt. george orwell, eat your heart out
A gvt big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. T.J.
"Yup. The Reagan vs Obama position is rediculous. Both men were placed in power by the same monolithic group. Both presidencies pushed the same agenda, had equal contempt for the rule of law, and equal contempt for humanity."
And one started the slide into Hell Perhaps the other will finish it.
All by design
Secret Treaties
Nope- because...
Reagun tranformed in eight years;
US #1 creditor
to...
US #1 debtor.
He charged his eight years on our card.
Amazing, the opposites after 35 years of festering debt.
You've got debt, thanks Ronnie.
Big_X:
+1
"the leader of the free world" and all that jazz, is nothing more than a demented half-wit."
Very true. The same could be said for Bush and Obama.
The ladder of the free world is used to step on it's citizens.
I believe the term is: 'Halfrican'.
The word is "mulatto".
The word use to describe half white nergo is "MULATTO" which oppose to "MESTIZO" for any other race mixed with white. The distinction is because in the old days people believed that negroes are lower class.
i have seen obama is a porn video with a well known goldman sachs trader. that shit was fucked up. The GS trader pissed on Obamas face.
link? /s
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Both.
Big Fucktard....
Which one? So, one spent money he didn't have, the consequence being he sent a nation broke and the other followed the same MO. They all have. What's this shit supposed to prove, Tyler? More diversion porn about Blue/Red team or Black/White team, both being niggers to their masters.
Right? Cartoons like this are just asinine.
Al G - - member 30 weeks & S T 6 weeks
wtf
strait out of nsa compton
Gotta' b compton, they are too weak-assed to be Berkley (at least the Berkley that I once knew). But then again, perhaps Californication has set in among that group. Certainly has set in at the "World's Most Perfect Univresity"TM
One might state the same about you, douche. In a former iteration of of another Al, I like to keep in Rythm when word playing, for what its's worth I have been here for over 5 years and more if you count my history as a reader.
Got full as a boot one night, changed my password, didn't write it down as my bourbon was more filling to the hand, woke up in a daze and hense the new me. What I have noticed over the time that I have been here, is that the board is now full of down-voters to once widely held and accepted views of contempt for the dual party division of the sheep. You said it ; WTF alright.
The biggest douches and simple minded observations on these boards are attributed those who think opinions only matter and hold weight due to some clubsy affilation through chronological membership. Yeah, that's you, douche. Make a point about the article or fuck off, and fuck the retards who support your thesis. Simpleton/s.
NSA Crompton; what a fucking joke. So the next person joining is a NSA/CIA infiltrator and the next billion after that as well? Get a life and re-read what I said. I blamed both parties for the debacle we're in. Can you imagine an NSA agent having an agenda like that? I suppose I could be a double-double agent who has crossed over to the other's other side.
Sheesh.
Yes, economy and employment were EXACTLY the same after eight years of Reagan as they are with Obama. Sure. Maybe it would have helped you understand if you had lived it.
Once the real collateral requirement for money creation was abandoned, fraud was the status quo.
It has been going on a lot longer than most people realize...
Reagan and Obama both spending bitches and weapons dealers.
That's your modern MIC Presidency at work.
Reagan gave us Greenspan. There can be no forgiveness for that...
Many branches of the dominoes flow from that
Yes, but again, Greenspan would have been on a short leash of there was a real collateral requirement for money creation.
Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda
Worst than a fishook....
They both did. Ronny Raygun gave the keys to the kingdom to the Bankers in the 80's. Deficit spending skyrocketed under his rule and became the norm.
All these guys are puppets of the Bankers. Republican or Democrat. Black or White. Does....not....matter.
Yeah, but which one is an avowed Marxist who studied at a Muslim madrassa in Indonesia and which one has set race relations back 50 years and whose open borders has brought in millions of illegals in addition to at least 100,000 Muslims each month into the U.S.?
You're wasting your typing here.
haha ZD1 you may want to re-examine reagans record with regards to allowing illegals into the country.
haha you may want to access the record of your "irrelevant" Marxist Muslim dictator and his regime who have completely ignored and obstructed enforcement of the borders and let MORE illegals and Muslims into the country than Reagan ever dreamed.
ok. so reagan was slightly less bad on immigration than obama. wahoo. all hail ronnie.
Yes, Reagan signed a "comprehensive immigration plan" much like what the left is pushing for now, after a great deal of negotiations. Of course we only got amnesty out of the deal as the democratic congress refused to close the border. Reagan stated that he regretted ever agreeing to the deal as he was hoodwinked and only got half the contract. Of course they are pushing for the same comprehensive deal again and conservatives know full well that they will only get the amnesty again and the border will be left wide open....with an express lane for family members, close friends and facebook buddies. Republicans passed a bill to build a fence in 06 and it still has not been funded. Hang what you will on Reagan, but EVERY "bipartisan" bill has fucked the conservatives. At this point there is no reason to agree to ANY bipartisan bill.
Is Wilson's Regret much the same as Ronny's, considering who the masters of the system are? These bastards all know the score. It's not like you're voting into office a revolutionary at each election, right?
Nice shiny hook you carry around in your mouth.
Nice shiny dildo you have up your ass.
Only the one on the left took a bullet (or two) and lived to tell about it.
The South was right!
Reagan allowed narco-Bush to build his criminal empire.
It only took 2 months to figure out who was president.
They all work for the same people.
You are just too stupid to see it.
Yes, two months into his presidency RR was shot by the son (Hinkley) of HW's friend and business partner!!!
At this point HW assumed the presidency supposedly until RR left the hospital (alive).
I content that HW never transferred the presidency back to RR. The only "proof" I have is that the news media never said beans about it. If anyone other than HW were in this position the press would've been all over it like stink on shit.
In order to not cause a constitutional crisis (and give HW the opportunity to finish the job) he played the puppet with HW pulling the strings.
I would not be surprised if the Agency induced alzheimers during RR's "second term" as added insurance.
No more Clintons and no more Bushes!
"No more Clintons and no more Bushes!"
If elections mattered, you would think that that out of 300million people, we could get a president from more than two gene pools.
That is worse than European Monarchies...
Just hope the collapse is fast and people die without too much pain.
my neighbor is NSA and they have food stalked up
My neighbor is in the FSA and he has unlimited government credit with his entitlements. Not a worry in the world.
And when his EBT card fails, you are "plan B"?
I was once "buzzed" by one of Reagans Iran-Contra blackhawks. Alone on my surfboard at Witch's Rock Costa Rica (a secret spot back then). Scared the Hell out of me. They were based to my north in Panama. Also, It's irrelevant.
Reagan had a role in the destruction of the US too (the start of massive wealth redistribution to the rich). As Dimitri Orlov writes, the Cold War destroyed both countries, it's just that the USSR collapsed first.
Some poor chump is going to be in the Oval Office when it finally goes down, and all the blame will fall on him/her, while the key roles of Johnson, Reagan, Nixon, Carter, the Bushes, Clinton and Obama will be ignored ...kinda like how Soviet nostalgists blame Gorbachev alone for the 70-year collapse of the USSR.
It was supposed to be a woman. Just like the FED.
These critical positions will be held by minorities/women when the big crash comes.
So we will a go back to electing safe, strong, white men to goverment.
Who was president when we "invented" the FED?
And who was president when we "invented" social security entitlements?
And who was president when we "invented" Income taxes being withheld from our paychecks?
And Reagan did what??
And to think all of that happened before you were ever born and you've been here in this country bitching about it every last day of your whole goddamn life?
Holy shit... I'm about ready to stop reading ZH. This is just fucking dumb.
Yep - there are Tyler’s who epitomize what's wrong with the country. This is one of them. Mindless rah-rah team sh!t.
zero difference between the two imo
Guess the people fleeing the countries of the Warsaw Pact didn't have your insight.
owebomba also hates russia, but he fights isis too so actually he is better than raygun. he deficits spends way moar on wars so actually he is 10X better from a maggot perspective. owebomba also loves the trickle down shit. if raygun only had drones he might have stood a fighting chance at being half the maggot owebomba is. /s
Actually Reagan did not hate Russia. He made very clear the enemy was the communist system not the people living under it. He referred to Russians and the others in the Soviet Union as the "captive peoples".
Nowadays he might have to refer to people in the US as the "captive peoples".
I thought the cartoon illustrated the differing levels of amplified media bullshit between the Reagan era and now.
so true
That cartoon was not officially sanctioned by the Obama loving leftist propaganda news media. It must have slipped out under their radar.
True. Reagan had the good fortune to be president when the economy was in a boom cycle and the Soviet Union collapsed on it's own.
Really???
Have you looked at the economy Reagan inherited from Carter? I Bought a used car from a dealer and paid 20% interest in 1980. Things were pretty fucked up back then. The soviet union did not collapse on its own. Like every other country of the planet, it collapsed because it couldn't compete, and Reagan put the screws on them militarily so that they burned what little capital they had trying to keep up. There is no one cause for anything, but to believe that Reagan's policies had no effect is just wrong. Even the left had to agree...back then, but like you, they now forget about all of that now and rewrite history at will. Progressives own the media and the educational institutions, all who write and teach and preach their "history".
Yes, far too many of these people did not live through the Reagan years...
The Soviet Union most certainly did not collapse on it's own.I always considered the Cold War as the highest stakes poker game ever played. Basically the US outspent the Russians. Tha's really all you need to undestand.
What is fascinating in these comments is the overall lack of historical knowledge displayed by so many...
I have read conspiracy theories which state that covert currency operations are what actually killed the USSR.
Exactly. At the time the conventional wisdom among the "Intellectuals" and the media was that the Soviet Union was beating the US and would continue to do so, and the US should just accept its inferior place in the world. Carter had bought into that view.
Some of us who lived through that period remember that Reagan fought an existential war that removed the threat of nuclear annihilation and of communism from not just the West but from all the members of the Soviet Union. The US took on debt to win that war which was actually more important than WWII (which never threatened continental US in the way MAD did) and no one complains about the debt from WWII.
Because Reagan won that war without bloodshed, which was an incredible feat, most of his critics seem totally ignorant that it occurred.
The United States bankrupted itself at a slower pace than the Soviet Union because the Soviets had not figured out how to mug their unborn children.
Not exactly winning...
Then I am not a US citizen, because I am not responsible.
DOPE
The Soviet Union OWNED its people. They stole the future of their people decades earlier. They had to build and arm WALLS to keep their people in, as they KNEW that the only real future lay outside those boundaries.
In America WE sell our own futures and those of our children. Government debt is but a part of their burden. There would be absolutely ZERO economy today without credit...the consumption of future earnings today. ZERO. The Soviets didn't live on credit, they lived on what they were provided...and nothing more.
The Reagan years, 1981 to 1989, in contrast, saw real income increases and job gains for every income group, from the poorest quintile to the richest.
The income of black heads-of-households dropped by 10.9 percent from June 2009 to June 2013. This decline in black income is more than double the overall 4.4 percent drop nationally in real, adjusted for inflation, median household income during the same four years of alleged “recovery.”
Similarly, real incomes of those under age 25 fell by 9.6 percent over the same period — again, more than double the average drop in household income.
Income in households headed by single women, with or without children, declined by approximately 7 percent over the same four years, a significantly higher drop than the national average.
The income of Hispanic heads-of-households fell by 4.5 percent, slightly more than the national decline, while the income of workers with a high school diploma or less dropped by 6.9 percent.
The CBO report shows that after-tax household income, adjusted for inflation, increased overall by 13.73 percent from 1983 to 1993 and by 12 percent in the lowest income quintile, reversing the overall decline in household income in the 1970s produced by high levels of inflation and unemployment (the misery index, the inflation rate plus the unemployment rate, stood at a post-World War II high of 20.6 percent when Reagan took office in 1981).
Read more: http://triblive.com/opinion/ralphreiland/4693923-74/income-percent-reagan#ixzz3leTMRwVS
hence the diffence.
Prior to Reagan social security was NOT considered taxable income.
http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html
Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent "Trust" fund and put it into the General fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratically-controlled House and Senate.
Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.
Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the "tie-breaking" deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the U.S.
Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?
A: Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party. Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive SSI Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!
Just hush!
The regretful Obama voters have as there only fallback position that "they are all the same, all bad, so there is no point voting, no point being for one side or another".
Its pretty easy to tell who voted for Obama here. Now that their hope and change has turned out to be hype and destruction, the political process has failed them, and they are ready to burn the whole thing to the ground. There is plenty to be cynical about and none of our leaders are without flaw, BUT, to suggest Reagan is no better than Obama is to be blind. Reagan was revered by most Americans, the economy prospered, even if based on false assumptions. Obama has NO claim to ANY success. If his unemployment numbers were calculated the same as Reagan's, he would have been impeached by now.
You might want to check your answers. http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html
Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent "Trust" fund and put it into the General fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: There has never been any change in the way the Social Security program is financed or the way that Social Security payroll taxes are used by the federal government. The Social Security Trust Fund was created in 1939 as part of the Amendments enacted in that year. From its inception, the Trust Fund has always worked the same way. The Social Security Trust Fund has never been "put into the general fund of the government."
Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: There was never any provision of law making the Social Security taxes paid by employees deductible for income tax purposes. In fact, the 1935 law expressly forbid this idea, in Section 803 of Title VIII.
Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?
A: IT WAS A 50-50 vote, Al Gore casted the "tie-breaking" deciding vote.
Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?
A. Neither immigrants nor anyone else is able to collect Social Security benefits without someone paying Social Security payroll taxes into the system. The conditions under which Social Security benefits are payable, and to whom, can be found in the pamphlets available on our website.
The question confuses the Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program with Social Security. SSI is a federal welfare program and no contributions, from immigrants or citizens or anyone else, is required for eligibility. Under certain conditions, immigrants can qualify for SSI benefits. The SSI program was an initiative of the Nixon Administration and was signed into law by President Nixon on October 30, 1972.
The greatest thing about the internet is that you can quote something and just totally make up the source.
~Benjamin Franklin
LOL!
Yep - the only difference between this country in 1981-1988 and 2009-2015 is who sits in the Oval Office. All other variables have been held constant or are immaterial.
On another thread, there was discussion that economics wasn't a true science because conditions couldn't be controlled. But, as you point out, the control is absolute. It is almost enough to have me believe that economics IS a science.
- Ned ;-)
Please speak of something you know of.
Are you comparing job creation?
Unemployment?
GDP growth?
International respect?
What?
And the Reagan "success" was funded by? Yes, moar debt. National debt almost doubled during the Reagan years. Fact!
And the Obama failure was funded by? Yes, moar debt and money printing.
Under the Obama regime, National debt has increased by more than ALL presidents COMBINED. Fact!
National debt did double during the reign of Obama the First. FACT! and from a much higher starting basis.
So borrowing to build a house as the same as borrowing to buy crack? Look at the results of the two administrations and THEN tell us of relative success and failure. Just because you supported Obama doesn't mean that you can just shit on everyone else because he is a turd.
You chose poorly. Get over it. We will TRY to forgive you.
Reagan had to rebuild the military after Carter spent 4 years trying to diminish and destroy it. The next President will have an even bigger problem trying to rebuild military morale and resources after the muscum capitulator and hos Mooch are removed from their squat in the Rainbow House.
Reagan was a criminal. O O Omama is just ineffective and lacks statesmanship. Yawn. All the anti-Anything-Obama chortling is just so old, tired and LAME.
Yawn. All the anti-Anything-Reagan or any anti white guy chortling is just so old, tired and LAME.
Yo O Omama IS a criminal. Yo O Omama is not only ineffective, lacks statesmanship, but he's fucking fudge packing Marxist Muslim cock sucking prick.
Like I said: Yawn...LAME.
Reagan was senile and just did what the shadow government told him to do.
All the regulations where broken and the banks could finally do whatever they wanted to do and yes, that caused the US to have a vast financial resourse unseen in history.
But because finance was more attractive then production, all the factories started moving out.
And after Reagan, the shadow government was so strong, that they never left the frontseat anymore and all presidents after him where nothing more then porn, drugs addicts who where easy to control.