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Monsanto Stunned - California Confirms 'Roundup' Will Be Labeled "Cancer Causing"
Submitted by Claire Bernish via TheAntiMedia.org,
California just dealt Monsanto a blow as the state’s Environmental Protection Agency will now list glyphosate - the toxic main ingredient in the U.S.’ best-selling weedkiller, Roundup - as known to cause cancer.
Under the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act of 1986 — usually referred to as Proposition 65, its original name — chemicals that cause cancer, birth defects, or other reproductive harm are required to be listed and published by the state. Chemicals also end up on the list if found to be carcinogenic by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) — a branch of the World Health Organization.
In March, the IARC released a report that found glyphosate to be a “probable carcinogen.”
Besides the “convincing evidence” the herbicide can cause cancer in lab animals, the report also found:
“Case-control studies of occupational exposure in the U.S.A., Canada, and Sweden reported increased risk for non-Hodgkin lymphoma that persisted after adjustments to other pesticides.”
California’s decision to place glyphosate on the toxic chemicals list is the first of its kind. As Dr. Nathan Donley of the Center for Biological Diversity said in an email to Ecowatch, “As far as I’m aware, this is the first regulatory agency within the U.S. to determine that glyphosate is a carcinogen. So this is a very big deal.”
Now that California EPA’s Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment (OEHHA) has filed its “notice of intent to list” glyphosate as a known cancer agent, the public will have until October 5th to comment. There are no restrictions on sale or use associated with the listing.
Monsanto was seemingly baffled by the decision to place cancer-causing glyphosate on the state’s list of nearly 800 toxic chemicals. Spokesperson for the massive company, Charla Lord, told Agri-Pulse that
"Glyphosate is an effective and valuable tool for farmers and other users, including many in the state of California. During the upcoming comment period, we will provide detailed scientific information to OEHHA about the safety of glyphosate and work to ensure that any potential listing will not affect glyphosate use or sales in California.”
Roundup is sprayed on crops around the world, particularly with Monsanto’s Roundup-Ready varieties — genetically engineered to tolerate large doses of the herbicide to facilitate blanket application without harming crops. Controversy has surrounded this practice for years — especially since it was found farmers increased use of Roundup, rather than lessened it, as Monsanto had claimed.
Less than a week after the WHO issued its report naming glyphosate carcinogenic, Monsanto called for a retraction — and still maintains that Roundup is safe when used as directed.
On Thursday, an appeals court in Lyon, France, upheld a 2012 ruling in favor of farmer Paul Francois, who claimed he had been chemically poisoned and suffered neurological damage after inhaling Monsanto’s weedkiller, Lasso. Not surprisingly, the agrichemical giant plans to take its appeal to the highest court in France.
It’s still too early to tell whether other states will follow California’s lead.
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And the selfserving & enabling assholes and assholeesses over in congress as well.
I thought their new names are Rubberstamped Pill Approval Dept and The Green Sierra Peace Club Agency.
...send them to poison for the rest of their lives
Fixed it for ya.
...send them to poison for the rest of their lives
The persistant herbicides we used to use would be cheaper for that.
Non-pesticide crops can be grown and are with (wait for it)... higher production per acre and less energy input than "conventional" ag. It's called permaculture.
Keep your chemical poisons. I don't need them. Our farm does just fine without them. We're building topsoil, repairing an ecosystem and setting up a permanent food system that will pretty much run itself. Natural systems are pretty cool if you give them a chance and some respect.
You mean you rotate crops to avoid soil depletion and practise sustainable horticulture, OMG say it ain't so. Congrats, good job, thank you, need more just like you.
I would also appoint Jeffrey Smith as head of the FDA and give him free license to fire all former Monsanto, Dow, Syngenta, etc. employees.
Same bullshit will happen like with neonicotinoid insecticides in Europe. Glyphosate will be replaced in use by older,nastier herbicides. Fucking lunatics think that the food appears in the shops by some kind of fucking magic. I am no lover of Monsanto but those green retards do try to beat them in their evilness.
" Fucking lunatics think that the food appears in the shops by some kind of fucking magic. "
Not a Monsanto fan or an Econazi. But I do have to wonder what magic the farmers were using before the advent of herbicide and pesticide. Oh wait i remember. They had people/themselves to walk the fields to look for problems and would take action in small problem areas. But we don't have farmers for the most part anymore, we have giant automated uncaring agribusiness. Now they spray and forget and to hell with the consequences. Over reliance on chemicals is how we got into this bee problem we're having. Some chemicals are needed, yes, but wide spread spraying to prevent a problem before there is a problem is just laziness fed by a profits over all mentality.
. “Our fathers used to say that the master’s eye was the best fertilizer”
(Majores fertilissium in agro oculum domini esse dixerunt) is from Pliny the Elder (23-79 A.D.).
Yes, I realized I needed space between plants just so I could look at them each day. Pick off hoppers and kept eye out for other pests. Picked them off by hand and feed them to the chickens. Not highly productive but no chems.
Not highly productive? Think of all the jobs that we could have if all food was grown that way.
Kaolin clay works pretty awesome on grasshoppers. Just mix the clay with water and spray the leaves of your crops. It's a clay, that's it no funny business, but the hoppers really don't like it and won't touch your stuff.
Lol. You haven't got a clue mate. Farmers used the most fucked up shit on the crops before the advent of modern pesticides. Look up "Paris green".
And then we learned Arsenic is very bad and it's use was stopped, no? And that wasn't the farmers it was the same people who would be at Monsanto today. Chemists trying to best nature, profit over consequence until they get caught. And I never said we shouldn't use chemicals when needed. But the mentality of spray to prevent is just too full of unintended consequences for our futures here. You cannot replace vigilance with laziness, it just isn't the same. So, if vegetables and fruit get a bit more expensive isn't it really worth it, to be sure your kids know what honey tastes like?
If we ban all farming chemicals the cost of food will go way up. Not just a little. We can afford organic because it is a niche market. If everything had to be grown that way only the rich could afford food.It really is amazing the number of fans of the oligarchs around here.
No one knows what is causing the bee die offs. And it is not all bees. Just 1/6th to 1/3rd of them. New hives are started every year to replace the dead hives. So no real problem.
I was helping a bee keeper in the early 70s. Die offs were going on then. No one knew why. We still don't.
I just used the bee problem as an extreme example of what can go wrong. And I still never said no chemicals at all, just only where we need it. Mostly-organic(chemicals used to stop problems spreading) farming will be more expensive, and a majority of this cost will come from more labor costs. But, it's responsibilty pays back much higher rewards.
You don't even know what is causing the bee problem. You assume.
I do not believe that is good enough.
How about we assume it is caused by all those power wires strung across the countryside? Would you be up for tearing them down on an assumption?
i just downvote every msimon messages, classic lobyist tactic.
just say the problem is ridiculous coz there is worst .... then say something even crazier to crash the debate ...
die with ur money from monsanto pls, some people trying to live under here
BULLSHIT!
The cost of conventional ag is already astronomical and it's subsidized for fuck's sake! You not only have the cost of the product, but for example a steak:
A cow is raised in a CAFO (concentrated animal feeding operation) with thousands of others. Waste products have to be carefully handled, and disposed of somewhere else. The food is grown in a monoculture somewhere else often thousands of miles away. This system creates a whole bunch of toxic outputs over thousands of acres of degraded land.
In an organic permaculture system everything happens on one farm. Cattle graze grass in paddocks, are moved when the grass has been effectively grazed. Chickens are run behind the cows to process the manure and fast-track it into soil building processes rather than soil exploitative methods. Production per acre is far higher, energy and time input is far lower and it's not adulterated with garbage. You're also not twisting nature to do something it's not meant to like feeding cows grain. You are building topsoil rather than losing it creating an increasingly fertile system every year.
So you really don't know what you're talking about.
And grass fed beef tastes much better. Didn't believe it till I tried it.
I was a beekeeper in the early 70s. We basically knew why by the mid-70s = mites.
Nowadays, it is called CCD - Colony Collapse Disorder.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/13/honeybee-deaths-colon...
This is a bit outdated.
Now a days, the link between pesticide use and die off is inconvertible.
http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2015/05/40-percent-us-honeybees-...
Your 1/16th to 1/3 is a bit dated MSimon, try 40% plus.
Your statement, "We can afford organic because it is a niche market" is fundamentally insane. It is like saying we have to stay with Central Banks or our economy will collapse. DUH. The so-called Green Revolution based on GMO plants and lots of chemicals is collapsing (just like CB central planning.) You can only fuck with Mother Nature so long. We have to return to a mostly organic farm methodology, with targeted use of pesticides as required, or all our soil will be dead, and so will we.
It becomes a war between pesticides and disease resistant plants, and bugs that become resistant, so the ante has to be upped. This is fucking predictable. So we go back to a smaller, more labor intensive, and a lot less chemical farming as necessary for food production (and I've driven wheat trucks on large farms, that will still happen); and get away from the huge, chemically drenched, GMOed shit that passes for food that passed into our bodies, that kills us.
To say we can't afford organic farming is to say we can't live a healthy life.
How fucked is that?
And your statement that "No one knows what is causing the bee die offs" is total, complete bullshit. Every fucking beekeeper, amatauer and pro, that I have talked to knows it is primarily pesticide use, with the mite problem exacerbated by weak colonies because of pesticide use. "No one knows", because the MSM does not really investigate. Fuck, every beekeeper knows, asshole.
You said you worked for beekeepers?
Do you work for Monsanto now?
Asshole.
Funny, the honey that is typically purchased off the store shelf "natural honey" is anything but. It is heated to destroy bacteria, filtered, water added and then sold. The heating process of commercial honey is to the degree that any nutrient sustaining qualities are destroyed. Water added, filtered and presto..the clear package that you see on most grocery shelves. Raw honey, on the other hand is gently heated but at a temperature that does not destroy the nutrient value but allows the wax to be skimmed off. The resulting honey may include some particles such as the bee's gloves, mittens and an occasiional bee bootie but in all it is just as the bee's injest themselves.
raw local honey always
Harvested honey from some of my own bees this year and am sharing some with friends and family. That particular hive is under some peach trees and the honey has a peachy aftertaste. Since I'm trying to build up the "herd", I'm leaving the rest of the honey with the bees for their use over the winter. Hoping to expand and start selling honey next year. There are 5 hives now. Planning to make splits next spring.
My favorite honeys are wildflower, eucalyptus, and orange blossom. The eucalyptus has a menthol kick to it. Most is local to 50 miles from me but the wildflower comes from Colorado or Wyoming in the spring.
Madrone Honey is Heaven! Just the best. And not available in stores, too local.
Oh my God, remember the first frames in the small (2 frame) mechanical separator we used when we started cranking the first honey out. The smell permeateted the dome and we all swooned when we had a good Madrone year (about every third - usually some late rain knocked most of the blossoms off before the bees could get to it).
Sigh.
elegance, its all fun and games until tumors start popping up all over of your liver and brain. YOU go through chemo and tell me how big a fan you are of this poison.
roundup and similar pesticides have been banned from store shelves in Ontario Canada since 2009
But Plants crave Round Up, just like they crave electrolytes!
Round-Up and Brawndo plants love it.
California also has dihyro-oxide on that list. cuz it has killed thousands of people over the years.
I understand that is only dangerous in the dehydrated form.
I'm addicted to it. Especially the dry form.
Probably not enough bribe money being paid by Monstanto. Those politicians in CA need lots of dough you know.
OR they took the money and didn't vote in favor of Monsanto. Hoping that is the case.
Mosanto? Cunts.
California also confirms that Tungsten is equally as valauable as Gold... and that Tungsten Bars will be accpeted by the state for Property Tax Payments.
That might be funny, ha ha, but is total bullshit. I'm on our local Fire Protection District Board (as the old founder chief of our local VFD), and am up on local tax laws and such, a lot more than I ever wanted to be, and you might think that is funny about Tungsten Bars, and maybe it is, sort of - But It Is Not True. Not that truth ever got in the way of a ZH post.
Asshole.
Woohooo! Go CA, we gotta start somehwere!
And, what's next.
Cell phone radiation to be listed as cancer causing?
Wait....what ? I didn't get that. I have a tumor in my ear.
Unless I missed something, Roundup is not being outlawed. It's only a warning label. Monsanto objects to even that.
I wouldn't give California's EPA credit for any kind of wisdom. It has more to do with California being the homeland of environmentalists. Monsanto is a natural enemy.
In March, the IARC released a report that found glyphosate to be a “probable carcinogen.”
Sunlight should also have a prop 65 label. But how?
Vote negative if you love to suck donkey dicks.
My hardware store must post a notice that WOOD DUST is dangerous and cancer causing, why not round-up.
Should I use the string trimmer on my mile of fence line one a week or spray it once a quarter?
Its cancer Bitches!!!
I've got about a half mile of fence. I use the string trimmer, then go back around with a manual weed snip to clear the fence so I can fire up the electric fence to keep the bears out. Takes about 2-3 hours. Kind of tedious, yes - but don't need to poisen my land around my place. And what's with one a week? I weedeat twice, spring and late summer, then manual trim once = good to go with the electric. (Don't want the low wire to be in contact with wet, dead grass.)
Most of these dimwits who 'govern' us have zero concept of how deeply immoral a system they assist in enforcing/perpetrating. 99% of those who 'earn' a living by agreeing to accept personal benifit as participants really are not 'bad' people. They're just going with the flow.
Generational theory suggest that the ruling elite *might* be hitting an inevitable wall. A reckoning certainly appears well past due.
Truth simply is.
Individually and collectively...
Truth doesn't change and reorganization of constructs is inevitable.
Meh. Latex house paint is known to cause cancer in California.
Meh, living in California seems to cause brain-damage!
Whoever down voted me, pick up a can of latex paint and read the label. It's on there.
Then, compare latex paint to what they used to use before; solvent based paint. That's the story with Round-UP. Look at what they used to use as a nonselective weed killer before Round-Up.
And spot use of Round-Up isn't too bad. But that's not how they use it, they spray spray spray. And then it gets bad. The problem is more about responsible use.
Glyphosate a key ingredient in Roundup blocks Manganese from being absorbed by our body, and kills good gut bacteria which causes autoimmune deficiency, inflammation and G.I. track problems.But - does Home Depot still sell RoundUp ?
Edit : let me answer my own qustion -
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Roundup-32-oz-Concentrate-Weed-and-Grass-Kill...
This is the entire GMO issue. The effects of modified seed to resist herbacides, so farmers can blanket spray for weeds, is causing all sorts of digestive as well as mental disorders. Really screwing with the food chain.
This effect has not been found by researchers. And Roundup lasts about 3 days in the wild. It is why farmers like it. It is not persistant. But heck we could go back to persistant weed killers. That would be an improvement.
And if GMOs are so dangerous where are the bodies. It has been widely used in the US for 20 years. Life expectancies are still going up.
Remind me again: 20 years is how many generations of humans?
Enough time for the effects to show up in a population of 330 million.
American life expectancies are still rising. Russian life expectancies - not so much. But their food is pure. Even if they die sooner.
It might have to do with the purity of their vodka.
Yes, tell me why the following diseases: Crohns, Ulcerative Colitis, IBS, IBD just happened to skyrocket from 1-3000 patients to 1-60 correlating exactly when GMOs and Glysophate went mainstream. Cancer is also increasingly becoming a problem for people in their 20s and 30s. That's all completely normal though...
Fucking idiot.
To MSimon
And boy have the effects shown up!. Massive increases in diabetes, autoimmune diseases, obesity, autism, osteoporosis, allergies, asthma, etc. Yup, there is no evidence at all that these toxins in our food have had any effect at all!
Life expectancies are still going up.
So is the cost of health care and the rise of diabetes and obesity.
Dangerous might be too strong a word for GMO. I would argue that they are nutritionally inferior to non-GMO varieties. To me, this is a matter of consumer choice, not a matter of law and regulation.
As a case in point, I never thought of wheat as a GMO food, but it is. The old varieties have long stems and a small head where the wheat kernal is. The new varieties have a short stem and a large head. Because of the high amounts consumed, wheat is a contributing factor to diabetes and obesity. See the book Wheat Belly.
Are you just pulling B.S. out of your you-know-what? RoundUp lasts over a year in the environment. Years ago Monsanto was sued and forced to remove language that it was biodegradable.
Autism, diabetes, allergies, cancer all up significatly in that time also. Never heard of gluten allergies till all wheat became GMO. And whats a longer life if the quality of it is shit?
The same pesticides that are being used to kill off bugs that decimate the crops are also killing off the bees that are necessary for pollination. People have no clue how important bees are in cultivation and pollination of food.
As the bees go, so does the human race.
Then again maybe this is the objective...
Maybe this is a start. No one could agree on the BEE genocide by herbacides so maybe call it cancerous to create awareness. Herbacides are awesome in use but their side effects may not be worth it. The colony collapse of bees is AWFUL.
Nah. This is the start of exactly nothing. Monsanto will start throwing its money and power and influence around so that it either gets removed from California's cancer list, or that's as far as it will go.
The same thing happened when California, Oregon, and a couple of other states wanted to label food that contained GMOs. Monsanto started bribing, paying off or burying the decision makers and low and behold it got defeated. Even though it had 60% or more approval by the people.
I happen to know a bee keeper and he tells me that the cause of the bee die off is unknown. I have designed instruments for him to do research.
What I really like about this board is the vast quantity of ignorants who are so sure they know what experts in a field do not know.
What I really like about this board are those who resort to ad hominem attacks instead of adding to or engaging in the conversation.
So what do your bee keeper friends tell you? Have you designed instruments for any?
Yes, I do know a commercial bee keeper. He blames glysophate and he has seen it happen with his own eyes. He also says that moving bees thousands of miles a year to various monoculture farms does a number on them as well.
What evil corporation do you work for? How do you sleep at night being a whore for them while causing untold pain and suffering for millions?
Without chemicals life itself is impossible.
And what is Round-Up?
That's right, chemicals!
Life has done alright on its own for millions of years without these chemicals.
Only humans have the hubris to think they can do better than nature and millions of years of evolution.
Natural farming can support about 500 million people. The NWO would like to get us down to that. Evidently their plan is starvation. Excellent.
A really natural hunter gatherer lifestyle even fewer. Good times coming. After the die off.
Bingo. Yes, 6.5 billion useless eaters. This whole GMO scare propaganda, engineered by Sierra Club, Greenpeace, et al, who co-opted Rockefeller and Ford Foundations and thwarted the Green Revolution, is, at its heart, a Eugenicist program. Every wonder why there are no tractors in sub Sahara Africa? There are forces in the world, who will not allow those people to overcome their hunger, to have high-yield farming, like Mexico got in the 60s, like India and Pakistan got in the 70s through the heroic work of wheat cross-breeder Norman Borlaug. Green Peace is slowly winning out, as can be seen on this reasonably intelligent website.
Qatar has been sponsoring lots of anti-fracking propaganda ("information") and people eat it up. And Qatar is totally unbiased in the matter. Is it dangerous if done wrong? Of course. So are lots of things.Oil refineries for instance.
The alternative is the world held hostage to the ME and Russia for energy supplies. Nothing can go wrong with that arrangement.
Not sure your number is accurate but certainly natural farming would support less than 7 billion. It's closer to 500 million than it is to 7 billion though.
Damn it! I upvoted myself by accident.
Bullshit again. You could feed the US with simply the green strips on the side of freeways and the nature strip and suburban yards of homes. Permaculture systems can feed the world population and we could return much of the land that is terrible farm ground (saudi desert) to nature or grazing systems.
Its amazing how many people can't imagine a garden in front of their house instead of a lawn. And to city dwellers they can't even imagine a lawn. I bought exactly zero vegetables this year. Nothing like food that is ripe when you pick it. My wife hated tomatoes. After this year I have to beat her to them. Had more squash then we could eat. Got bell pepper just as big as the store and didn't chemical them once. Am letting the tomatoes drop fruit and will be tending the voluteers next year. Gotta love heirloom seeds for that.
Good for you. But what about wheat? Who grew your bread, meat, beans, and corn, your dairy? Your beer? Don't tell me, you gave them all up, never looked back, haven't missed them a bit.
I don't mind that you people live in a ridiculous fantasy. What is outrageous is that your fantasy is being carried out in third world countries, not your country. They are being exterminated.
MS and RR, just go have your RoundUp cocktail and go to bed, OK?
You, Nobody, have your bowl of ice cream, produced by dairy cows, fed from the silage of GMO corn and go to bed. And the next time you drink a beer, know that even if it was hand crafted, the ingredients came from the high-yield commercial farmer using his petrochemical fertilizers and hebacides. When you actually stop using the products you condemn, then your words will have meaning.
fight the corruption, buy local from organic farms
If you can afford it. In the winter.
Sign up for a local CSA. You can buy organic veggies direct from the farmer cheaper than the supermarket can sell pesticide veggies. Google: local harvest csa
Thank you the Bill and Malinda Gates Foundation. We've had enough.
it kills weeds but it's actually good for you. /s
A chineese friend told me : 'If a worm doesnt want to eat an apple neither do I.'
California also banned WD40 for industrial use, when I asked my insurance guy why he said CA wanted to see the formula. WD said no, CA said we'll outlaw it, WD said go ahead. Sounds like Monsanto said no to a shakedown and it's game on..
The label wont be in Spanish.
Skull and bones symbol good enough.
The rat poison ailse.
El glifosato es tóxico. El glifosato causa cancer.
Why is this on Zero Hedge?
Why?
ZH is a Financial site of sorts. The affairs of one of the largest multi-billion dollar market behemoth(a relative to the vampire squid I believe) and it's effects on society IS relevant I believe.
Oh, and Fuck monsatan.
The article above puts into perspective various crimes against humanity which have been all too common for several decades. E.g., DynCorp had been spraying the herbicide glyphosate on thousands of acres of coca in Colombia, etc., etc. ...
US grocery stores full of rejected food.
Russians and Chinese wont touch it.
Russians and Chinese wont touch it.
Excellent. If we are headed into a cool period and food gets more difficult to produce the Chinese and Russians can go hungry. It is my understanding that hunger can do wonders for politics.
Good times.
Simon, how much do you get paid per post, Hungry Ghost?
(Hint, it ain't enough for the karma you are generating...)
Oooopps
http://en.hzhulk.com/info/Russia-plans-to-build-in-2017-the-first-glypho...
I don't see any royalty money going to Monsanto.
Ooops.
All I know is I hate it in gardens, it kills too many ornamentals as well as weeds. Idiot Mexican gardeners want to use it by the gallon because it's so much more modern than pulling weeds or tending ground cover, same as they love to use garden blowers because that's so much more macho than using a broom, even if a broom is much faster at actually accomplishing anything.
I'm undecided about whether its use for crops, and then engineering Roundup-resistant crops, is good or bad. I suppose if it was awful we'd all be dead already.
You are not dead. But the soil life that mines plant soluble minerals out of the clays and sands are dead. It is one hell of a profitable way to keep growers buying fossil fuel derived synthetic fertilizers year after year after year.
Roundup is inactivated as soon as it touches the ground. So tell us genious, HOW EXACTLY does it "mine plant soluble minerals out of the clays and sands"..
Roundup kills off the food soil web. Only an idiot would claim Roundup becomes inactive the MAGICAL moment it touches the ground. The living micro-organisms that make up the food soil web live within organic and aerobic soils. These organisms are the ones that mine the clays and sands and poop out 40+ minerals directly into the root zones of plants. The plants then reward the micro-organisms by producing carbohydrate rich exudates. There is a life cycle within our soils. When we partner with this cycle growing is much easier, cheaper and produces more nutritious food. This should be the goal of every farmer on the planet.
endo and ecto mycorrhizae small but mighty
Farmers will produce whatever the people will buy. Most people don't give a shit.
Real, organic veggies cost at least 5x conventional. The majority of organic produce, is regular produce shipped through an organic certified farm.
Me thinks California is after some hush money/ protection money.
Ha! Think it won't get lost in this? http://oehha.ca.gov/prop65/prop65_list/files/P65single082515.pdf
Everything is known by the State to cause cancer. From smart phones to lumber.
Just put the frickin label on it and get over it.
Soon everything, and I mean everything, will need a prop 65 label on it.
Stuff in stores will be so loaded up with prop 65 labels that you won't be able to identify the product.
California issues marriage licenses with a printed warning, "sexual intercourse with your spouse has been deemed by the State of Calfornia to cause cancer and death."
Sexual intercourse with someone other than your spouse can also lead to death.
Now if California will just shut down its cancer causing oil refineries it will be a much cleaner State to live in.
Looks like Calster's didn't like taking a hit, so round-up ready is going to China. Like "sands thru the hourglass, MF'rs." You serfs are going to eat the same bugs they do.
America competing with the cheapsest labor on the planet, hoo-ra. Monsanto needs to invent crops that don't need water.
The gov has already created a work force that will never retire.
Monsanto stated "We paid good money to those politicians, it is appalling that they took our money and then did this action".
I use glyphosate around my perimeter areas on my small farm. I now lease the production ground but it has been planted with Roundup ready seed, both corn and alfalfa for years. These animal feeds are used to feed the dairy cows that rank Idaho number 3 in the nation for milk and cheese production and fourth in number of cows. Although not all corn is grown for animal consumption the sizable acreage of sweet corn that is processed in also Roundup compatable. There is no corn grown for ethanol but in addition to the corn and alfalfa sugar beets and now varieties of potatoes are now Roundup compatable.
The use of Roundup is not limited to field production. You can buy Roundup at Costco, Lowe's and Home Depot as well as most local "farm stores" for area/urban weed control.
I have a 3/4 acre garden including orchard area that I utilize roundup on during the season. In the early spring I apply it to the vegetable areas if time permits to retard the emergence of the certain overpowering weeds that will over run the growing areas. This year as I enjoy semi-retirement I had hundreds of hours to manualy dig/cut weeds to the point that it is as weed free as I have ever accomplished. That saying, every few weeks a new emergence of weed plants begin and now in early fall even a 1 inch tall weed will show seed production. Other methods that I use is constant roto-tilling but in some cases depending on the type of weed it does nothing but make one plant into a thousand.
Without Roundup the production yields of American crops would be reduced 80% (my opinion). The extra cost of managing fields without Roundup would simply be passed on to the consumer. The end result is the 14oz can of corn that is sold at WalMart or Albersons for .89 cents would be $5. Coupled with the massive wellfare and fiat money state that is already affecting costs the choice will be high prices= starvation/riots or lower prices = potential cancer?
In using Roundup I never fail to wind up doused, hands, arms, legs, face due to leaks in the spray equipment or wind. I typically shower as fast as possible after application and wash clothes. In one case after buying a new sprayer from Costco as I was using it a connection broke and I took a direct shot in my face/mouth. That was 14 years ago.
Do I worry about it? Yes, just as I do when applying insecticides. Trying to avoid direct contact is always paramount but is generally not accomplished. This action by California and other world govenments is more concerned with the residual affects. The jury is out and with special interests, especially those prevailing in the corporate state of America it will be out for a long time. The fact is that enormous amounts of food are being sold and consumed by the American public that has at some stage relied on Roundup for its production. This article does not even begin to address the importation of food from South America and China that includes everything from beef and chicken to mushrooms, garlic and herbs. A general consensus is that these countries do not adhere even closely to the standards of the US, but at the end of the day I pop into Fred Meyer or elsewhere to pick up garlic, bacon or some food item that may come from out of country and grown in standards less than acceptable if I only knew?
We now live in times that US farm production may not neccessarily be relied upon to strictly feed the American public. If Roundup were banned and production declined would grain storage be used just for the US or would the oligarchs continue to ship it subsiized to the ME at the expense of the people at home?
America was once a nation of farmers. They worked their asses off on a 40-80 acre farm. They grew their own food including meats and vegetables. They put in back breaking days but in the end they lived healthier lives and lived to ripe old ages (except for those who smoked 2 packs a day or drank themselves to death). Today 2% of the nations population farms and the rest of us rely on their efforts. Idaho farmland today is at around 12 million acres compared to roughly 3.5 million acres in 1935 of which almost a third was fallow. While not the largest nationally the significance is that this is mostly irrigated land due to the Snake River.
Each person considering the implications of chemical control in food production have alternatives. Raised bed gardens in backyards to patio containers in apartments will yield amazing amounts of food. At least to the degree that effort is extended then one knows that some food consumed is grown in a comparatively safe manner.
Excuse me now, I have to go pick some beans and carrots. Nothing like steaming the little buggers then dousing them with butter, salt and pepper. Did I mention that the butter we use is primarily from dairy animals that have been fed Roundup ready feed?
Glyphophate is used extensively on every crop as a dessicant, just prior to harvest, leaving very high levels of residue.
Glyphophate is a useful weed control tool but - Glyphophate is used extensively on every crop, just prior to harvest, leaving very high levels of residue. This is where the exposure is coming from.
Simply change the label to prohibit application during and after the fruiting phase of plant growth.
No, glypphosate isn't "used extensively on every crop just prior to harvest".
That's a bunch of BS.
It's EXTREMELY RARE to use it as a "dessicant".
Totally agree. Should fuckers be required to take an IQ test before posting on ZH?
The Monsanto trolls are out. This is disinformation at its finest.
90% of US wheat is spayed with glyphosphate as a dessicant priot to harvest
https://www.realagriculture.com/2012/08/tips-for-pre-harvest-glyphosate-...
"For wheat and barley (not destined for malt) timing of a pre-harvest application of glyphosate, coincides with swath timing. The wheat and barley will be at 30% to 35% moisture, or hard dough stage. A finger nail imprint will remain on the seed. You can get away with maybe two to three days before typical swath timing, but remember if you go in to early with glyphosate the seeds will appear shrunken and it will have a similar appearance to frost damage. In wheat you may also look at the peduncle (the stem located just below the head) and it will have turned from green to a brown colour."
Interesting the number of down votes? I was just stating my experience without suggesting positive or negative for or against glyphosate. It it gets banned tomorrow I could give a fuck, my life will go on and I will continue to grow a lavish garden/orchard. But in regard to the negative fuckers who come out of their mothers basement and "borrow" her computer for the afternoon all I can say is go sodomize your transvestial selves!!
Rev
with all due respect
FUCK YOU
You goddamned (and you will be) Monsanto troll
I can only imagine a pimply faced inbred like yourself does nothing but dream of fucking an upstanding Rev. Sorry perv, my ass is committed to a higher calling.
I thought highly of your detailed account, posted above, and the value of your experience, until I saw this. My family were farmers near Canton, Ohio, and they never spoke to others like this.
Shame on you, Sir. For shame. Your puerile remarks and crass behavior are something I'd expect from a 13-year old boy from a bad home, not from a man who works with his hands for a living.
My respect for you has quickly faded to zero.
Rev, a long and thoughtful post from someone I believe walks the walk. It is goddamn hard to go Roundup resistant free crops and GMO altered crops, and you are still alive, right? So you are a believer.
OK. But crop yields down 80%?
Get a grip.
You accept the fact that ag has to be BIG, CORPORATE, CENTRALIZED, etc. And They need lots of chemicals and GMO plants to do their magic. But you have a 3/4 acre garden that you chemicalize?
The chemicalized system is gonna collapse, and legacy plants and small farms and lots of tender care is gonna come back, or we will all die when the industrial, chemo dependent, GMO dependent farms collapse. And they will, just like the centrally planned CB controlled financial system will collapse - IT IS THE SAME DAMN THING! It is the arrogance of power and money that think they can control everything - nature, financial systems, government - everything. And in case you haven't noticed - that is starting to not work so well. Hundreds of thousands of acres of central valley CA farmland is now fallow - salt-infested, dead land. And it is getting worse- not because of the drought, per se, but because of chemicalized farming to the max = the soil becomes dead, literally, and there is not enough water to allow what amounts to hydrophonic farming on a large scale - i.e. lots of water and chemicals.
Oh God, I feel like I am pissing in the wind: "Every Day, In Every Way, Life is Getting Better and Better".
Either we regain control of our lives, starting with our food, or we are fucked.
Awesome, Refugees and Illegals are flooding like Locusts… End the EPA!
By the time Monsanto, Lawyers, Banks, Lobbyists, Senators, Congressmen and all the lesser actors that money can buy finish with California, they gonna EAT IT and they gonna LOVE IT. Just saying...
Big deal, nobody cares about labels. Ban it.
Rising food prices (or persistant herbicides) will kill off the poor. What is not to like?
Maybe the poor can get jobs picking weeds, and also not die from cancer, win win.
Can you imagine the psycosis that working instead of collecting a welfare check would cause? When making inflamatory statements like this you need to remember that these sites are monitored and IP addresses are recorded.
that's the way the world used to work. When I was a teenager the whole high school would go rouging milo. We made a little change had a lot of fun and learned the value of hard work. Man you would not believe the lunch spread they put out. A hard working Kansas high school boy could eat thousands of calories.
That's the solution - more laws. Why not just remove corporate subsidies?
If this thread is any indication of liberals "carpet bagging" for votes, the Tylers are going to need a bigger swirl-o-gram.
If you can't convince the serfs, you must confuse the serfs.
BTW, Monsanto is a pretty fucked up organization. People might want to look down the food chain as well.
Monsanto isn't all in-house.
Please, do tell.
Zero Hedge doesn't give free rides Junior.
Get the fuck out of your 1080 coma and do your own research Junior.. If it's remotely accurate, I'll give you a greenie.
I'm busy cleaning up my property before winter, and I head back over to Queensland.
Best to kill off the serfs with rising food prices and hunger. What is not to like? Think of all the empty dwellings available. Good times.
"Best to kill off the serfs with rising food prices and hunger. What is not to like? Think of all the empty dwellings available. Good times."
Think of the pitchforks too. Good times for them.
And the looped ends of some short ropes.
How about banning AC electricity? It messes with the body's orgones. Widely distributed 60 cycle (50 cycles in Europe) is unnatural. All that radiation is bad for the body. Edison knew this. It is why he promoted DC over the objection of Tesla who thought AC was a better design.
If only we had listened to Edison. But it is not too late. Save humanity. Shut down the grid until a safe DC grid can be built.
Journal of Interdisciplinary Toxicology
Glyphosphate study 10102-Volume6_Issue_4-01_paper.pdf
The glyphosphate is coming into our food supply from every angle - as a crop drying agent. Wheat, sugar cane, beans, corn, rice - everything, all crops. The GMO use becomes incidental. Most research does not make this extremely important linkage. GMO in fact may have little to do with the health problems being presented.
Glyphophate is used extensively on every crop, just prior to harvest, leaving very high levels of residue.
Please spread the information from this paper.
Is California going to go after our extensive foodstuff exposure due to glyphosphate use as a drying agent?
Glyphophate is used extensively on every crop, just prior to harvest, leaving very high levels of residue.
That is the real problem
Three hours after application it is harmless to humans. It takes almost 3 cups of pure glyphophate injested orally to reach lethal levels. The human body metabolizes it very quickly as well, so don't even try the small exposure over a long time argument. You have been duped. How does it feel?
wait-you make this claim-do you have a "Botony" Degree?
he's a Bo Tony
Glyphophate is used extensively on every crop, just prior to harvest, leaving very high levels of residue.
I wash my food before eating to rinse away any residues. Doesn't everyone? Maybe they don't teach that in school anymore. I learned it in the 50s.
Glyphosphate is non persistient. Would you prefer we went back to more persistient chemicals?
Glysophate is persistant.
Glysophate when used as a desicant on wheat works for months after killing the seed.
Wheat put in the bin at harvest may test as high as 98% germination yet 4 months later may test 44% germination.
You wash sugar and wheat flour?
Really?
I think I prefer roundup to atrazine.
I'm shocked. What happened? Did one of Monsanto's checks bounce?