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Guest Post: Eastern Europe's Crisis Of Shame
Authored by Jan T. Gross, originally posted at Project Syndicate,
As thousands of refugees pour into Europe to escape the horrors of war, with many dying along the way, a different sort of tragedy has played out in many of the European Union’s newest member states. The states known collectively as “Eastern Europe,” including my native Poland, have revealed themselves to be intolerant, illiberal, xenophobic, and incapable of remembering the spirit of solidarity that carried them to freedom a quarter-century ago.
These are the same societies that clamored before and after the fall of communism for a “return to Europe,” proudly proclaiming that they shared its values. But what did they think Europe stands for? Since 1989 – and particularly since 2004, when they joined the EU – they have benefited from massive financial transfers in the form of European structural and cohesion funds. Today, they are unwilling to contribute anything to resolve the greatest refugee crisis facing Europe since World War II.
Indeed, before the eyes of the entire world, the government of Hungary, an EU member state, has mistreated thousands of refugees. Prime Minister Viktor Orbán sees no reason to behave otherwise: the refugees are not a European problem, he insists; they are a German problem.
Orbán is not alone in this view. Even Hungary’s Catholic bishops are following Orbán’s line, with Laszlo Kiss-Rigo, Bishop of Szeged-Csanad, saying that Muslim migrants “want to take over,” and that the Pope, who has called on every Catholic parish in Europe to take in a refugee family, “doesn’t know the situation.”
In Poland, a country of 40 million people, the government initially expressed a readiness to accept 2,000 refugees – but only Christians (Slovakia proposed a similar stipulation). Refugees are not an Eastern European problem, a Polish journalist told National Public Radio in the United States, because these countries did not participate in the decision to bomb Libya (neither did Germany).
Have Eastern Europeans no sense of shame? For centuries, their ancestors emigrated in droves, seeking relief from material hardships and political persecution. And today their leaders’ heartless behavior and callous rhetoric play to popular sentiment. Indeed, the electronic version of Poland’s largest newspaper, Gazeta Wyborcza, now publishes a stunning notice at the end of every article about refugees: “Because of the extraordinarily aggressive content of remarks advocating violence, contrary to the law, and calling for racial, ethnic, and religious hatred, we will not allow readers to publish comments.”
Not so long ago, in the immediate postwar years, Eastern European Jewish Holocaust survivors fled from the murderous anti-Semitism of their Polish, Hungarian, Slovak, or Romanian neighbors to the safety of displaced persons camps in, of all places, Germany. “Safe Among the Germans” proclaimed the title of an important book by the historian Ruth Gay about these 250,000 survivors. Now Muslim refugees and survivors of other wars, having found no refuge in Eastern Europe, also are fleeing to safety among the Germans.
In this case, history is not a metaphor. On the contrary, the root cause of the Eastern European attitudes now on grim display is to be found in World War II and its aftermath.
Consider the Poles, who, deservedly proud of their society’s anti-Nazi resistance, actually killed more Jews than Germans during the war. Although Poland’s Catholics were cruelly victimized during the Nazi occupation, they could find little compassion for the fate of Nazism’s ultimate victims. In the words of Józef Mackiewicz, a conservative, anti-Communist Polish writer with impeccable patriotic credentials: “During the occupation there was not, literally, a single person who would not have heard the saying – ‘One thing Hitler has done correctly is to wipe out the Jews.’ But one should not talk about this openly.”
Of course, there were Poles who helped Jews during the war. Indeed, the number of Polish “Righteous Among Nations,” recognized by Israel’s Yad Vashem for their wartime heroism, is the largest among all European countries (unsurprisingly, given that prewar Poland had Europe’s largest Jewish population by far). But these remarkable individuals typically acted on their own, against prevailing social norms. They were misfits who, long after the war had ended, insisted on keeping their wartime heroism a secret from their neighbors – afraid, it seems, that their own communities would otherwise shun, threaten, and ostracize them.
All occupied European societies were complicit to some degree in the Nazi effort to destroy the Jews. Each made a different contribution, depending on country-specific circumstances and conditions of German rule. But the Holocaust played out most gruesomely in Eastern Europe, owing to the sheer number of Jews in the region and the incomparable ruthlessness of the Nazi occupation regimes.
When the war ended, Germany – because of the victors’ denazification policies and its responsibility for instigating and carrying out the Holocaust – had no choice but to “work through” its murderous past. This was a long, difficult process; but German society, mindful of its historical misdeeds, has become capable of confronting moral and political challenges of the type posed by the influx of refugees today. And Chancellor Angela Merkel has set an example of leadership on migrants that puts all of Eastern Europe’s leaders to shame.
Eastern Europe, by contrast, has yet to come to terms with its murderous past. Only when it does will its people be able to recognize their obligation to save those fleeing in the face of evil.
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Shame? The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Apartheid Israel are taking zero refugees.
Polish feeling shame?? Given that their main function is to clean EU toilets and cap wages for prostitutes, how can they feel shame, LOL?
At least GOD created western Ukies, so that the Poles can feel superior. Even an African can feel better, comparing themselves to the western Ukrainian losers.
Religious freedom and tolerance is only making sense if all the religions involved live up to this concept. One religion (muslims) propagate that non muslims have to either convert or face dire consequences for being "non-believers". In countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and many other muslim majority countries, as a non-muslim, you can not practise your faith freely. You have to live in fear if you are a religious minority.
It seems, many European Christians want to self destruct:
In the US, members of a church denomination make voluntary contributions to a church.
In western European countries like Germany, Austria and Switzerland etc., as long as you are declaring yourself as a catholic or a protestant, the government is forcing you to pay "church taxes". Those funds can then be used by the church rulers in any way they deem right, including helping the "muslim community in need".
Consequently, it's not really an individual Christian's choice to support muslim immigrants or not.
In fact, you have to officially renounce your Christian faith if you don't want to financially support that system. Those Christians who want to continue to be Christians, will automatically support their muslim "brothers", whose "religious duty" it is to take over christian countries. The result? Less Christians and more Muslims.
Christian churches can be converted to Mosques as discussed here:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2761/converting-churches-into-mosques
Eventually, Christians in their own countries will be in the minority and might eventually be forced to live by the law of the Sharia.
Margaret Thatcher recognized back in the 80's that some European countries were "a weak and feeble lot":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBzAwro8M90
The real shame is the so called leaders of Europe, and that piece of shit kneegrow Obama engaging in the war on everything White, Christian and heterosexual.....
They want to blow up the Western model: Christianity, Democracy and Capitalism.
How can anyone rule the serfs when they believe in God, want to vote and can get rich?
"Shame", "blame" and "fault". Why do liberals always see things in the same narrow sense of morality that Christians do?
We have sinned and now we must do penance. By letting every poor person from every shitte hole on earth in with full welfare benefits?
If Eastern Europe is pushing back against the incoming FSA, they seem to be the only ones with their heads screwed on right. God Bless Common Sense.
Normally I would agree with you but the Polish are blinded by historical hatreds from identifying their real enemy, the western globalists who want to destroy their cohesion. If you ask the average polack, they will tell you that Russians are who they hate and fear the most, yet it is the EU trying to force Poland to accepting Muslim refugees, and Poland's sponsoring of Ukrainian Nazi's that will most likely result in their destablization. Russia in 2015 does not give a rats ass about Polish territory, and is only interested in trade and cordial relations.
The flood of invaders is comprised of 25% Syrians and 50%+ sub-saharan Africans. The Africans are motivated solely by economics and have no claim to be anywhere but their home countries. What percentage of the total is flotsam not desired by the "exporting" countries and of negative value?
The call to accept the invaders is motivated by the desire to destroy European identity and culture. Period. No thinking person is fooled.
Note that Israel and KSA are taking in no invaders and Israel is constantly seeking ways to expel both Africans and Arabs from Israel.
Brock Chisolm (1st Director-General of World Health Organization and 1959 Humanist of the Year)
"To achieve One World Government it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, their loyalty to family traditions and national identification.”
A one world government may have seemed desirable right after WWII. It is now obvious that one world government will not end conflict, but probably would promote conflict, and would reduce freedom. There would be no effective feedback mechanism to address grievances against one world government.
Removing individuality and loyalty to family is a path to actual insanity. Man is simply not wired that way.
As such one world government is no longer desirable.
Just a small addition: There IS no effective feedback mechanism to address grievances against ANY government. How do you address grievances against your boss as a wage slave? By hoping you won't be fired, and by hoping they feel like listening on a whim. Just as it is unlikely to be able to organize a whole-office strike without impressive ledearship skills, so is much more unlikely to organize a country-wide rebellion in this day and age.
Me wonders whether this Jan T. Gross character has opened his home and family to a few refugees from Syria? My guess is that he lives in an expensive gated community in the best part of town.
All I know is- Long the companies that make razor wire!!!!
Noone in is right mind lets in thousands of Niggers and fundamentalist moslems! Eastern Europe is just doing what they have benn elected for: To SERVE their people and NOT the EU, the US or the Jews
Dictator Obama declared that the U.S. is a Muslim nation and that “Islam has been woven into the fabric of our country since its founding.”
His regime has been trying to ensure that the U.S. is a Muslim nation--an estimated 100,000 Muslims have been entering the U.S. each month.
Last week has told his administration to take in at least 10,000 displaced Syrians over the next year.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/obama-islam-has-been-woven-f...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmuE-kNgeSA
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/16/immigration-to-swell-...
Agree. What Jan missed is the context of the Eastern Europe's reluctance. The Eastern countries don't want to get dragged into solving substitutional problems instead of real ones. What the EU is doing is putting out the consequences not solving the reasons of the crisis. And those countries just do not participate on this farce.
So far the EU bureaucracy hasn't even initiated a meaningful discussion on the reasons of the problem and how to stop the exodus where it arises. And they know why. In case of an open discussion everyone would soon realize it was the US with active participation of (rich) European countries who had destroyed the fragile stability of the Middle East and would therefore be rightfully blamed for the situation. This should stay hidden from the eyes of European citizens by replacing it with a pseudo-humanitarian agenda resembling sort of emotional blackmail. A very insidious plan.
The refugees certainly deserve human treatment. But this cannot and will not serve as a cover-up agenda hiding the complicity of the Western countries and their leading elites.
And the Eastern Europe countries know that.
Being rather isolated for so long from the West European hell of wild liberalism, and then suddenly being a part of what the Poles were led to believe was the more enlightenedd way to go, and have been trying to catch up. That meant modernizing by chipping down their own history and culture. Now it seems to be dawning on them that they entered the EU for prosperity but got sold a real lemon. No refund. No exit. No escape.
Now they have to participate in a colossal EU disaster that stems from bombing countries that were never a threat to anyone. They reckon that they didn't do it individually so they don't have to pay. But they do. They sold their sovereignty to the NWO and now they will be liquidated in turn whether they want it or not. The NWO owns every last one of them.
They were lured into the EU by promises of riches and an easy life and were poisoned instead. In a hundred years there will be no Europe, The native populations for decades have contracted and aborted themselves on the road to extinction, and the NWO will finish the job.
The only way out for the Europeans is to quickly exit the EU and NATO, then go back to their previous currencies, borders, and laws. But it's too late. They're done.
You're not explaining Christian morality very well, but that is the morality of some Christians.
Its' clear why all those eastern-European nations joined the EU, namely for FREE MONEY! Fuck solidarity! Fuck the pan-European ideology. Fuck political correctness dictated from Brussels!
All is well, as long as the subsidies flow from west to east, as long as they can enjoy the purchasing power (for the time being...) of the strong Euro, as long as the ECB is at the ready to bail out or prop up their corrupt banks and as long as the flow of cheap eastern-European labour continues to undermine the working conditions of western-European workers to make the big multinationals happy.
Eastern-Europe is Greece on steroids.
HEIL Juncker! HEIL Barroso (remember him?), HEIL Martin Schulz and HEIL Guy Verhofstadt!
Welcome to the socialist workers paradise of the EU/SSR.
Poland is not on the Euro. They do get money for various projects within the EZ though, I hope they abandon the EZ altogether soon if they know what is good for them.
Figures with a German name like that you would be blaming the Eastern Euros. But dont forget you are the biggest pig at the trough along with your Merkel heffer. You have a protected market of half a billion people. Maybe we should say kiss my ass and buy Asian stuff instead. Lets see how those millions of Africanos and Muzzies will take it when their benefits run out because your economy sputters without the white Eastern Euros. They will make all of Germany look like Dresden. Enjoy your cannibals and headhunters. Maybe you can bring them up into the stone age.
Everyone should have stayed with the Roman Catholics. No White guilt.
You pull some underhanded shit, confess, say your 10 Hail Mary's and an Our Father and you're good to go.
Then you can stand at the border, hand em a few baloney sandwiches, some Kool-aid and a set of directions out of town.
Dominus Vobiscum.
I don't have any White guilt - that's for the Liberals.
Liberalism is a mental disease.
"My greatest flaw. I surround myself with idiots."
-Victor von Doom
Israel is far too small and has unique security concerns.
Piss and moan all you want, but dems the facts.
Saudi Arabia has a proper view of this specific situation.
They do not want the added security risk either.
Boo hoo.
Never question the security needs of the chosenites. You silly, incompotent,helpless goy....
Ireland has a population of circa 4.5 Mil, a little more than half that of Israel, and yet we are expected to take a share of this mix of refugees and migrants. The only security concerns of Israel are to maintain it as a Jews only state, but if we say we want to maintain a culturally homogenous state, then we're bigots and racists. And by the way, Ireland has had nothing to do with the destruction of Libya and Iraq and Syria, but they all fit the Oded Yinon plan very well. Fuck Israel and the US, let them take the consequences of their evil.
Jan T Gross most likely a relative of Nuland was last seen at this gathering, lots of sweets towards the bottom...
http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=12031
"but if we say we want to maintain a culturally homogenous state, then we're bigots and racists. "
No, you aren't - you're an upright citizen of your country and a credit to your people - the Jews, their shills, the commies and libtards will call you those names. Fuck 'em. Wear your enemies insults as badges of honour.
"My greatest flaw. I surround myself with idiots."
-Victor von Doom
Eastern Europe
Dear internets, It's Central Europe you're talking about. Sincerely, gruzel.
WOW!!!!! 32 votes with a total 1.3 total score. glad to see the critters at the hedge voting on these nonsense and insulting articles.
All occupied European societies were complicit to some degree in the Nazi effort to destroy the Jews. Each made a different contribution, depending on country-specific circumstances and conditions of German rule. But the Holocaust played out most gruesomely in Eastern Europe, owing to the sheer number of Jews in the region and the incomparable ruthlessness of the Nazi occupation regimes.
I guess that's one way of looking at it. But you would be the victim of Western Propoganda if you don't recognize that Hitler was mostly fighting Stalin, Russia, and Communism which were working their way West to further spread their evil - fighting against those responsible for 40,000,000 starved and otherwise murdered by these Bolsheviks. Say what you want about Hitler, much of it fabricated lies, but most of Eastern Europe (including the sacred jews) were liberated from the real criminals of WWII.
The Zionists made lots of cash playing the communists they funded vs the capitalists they funded. In the end they sat in control of the biggest central bank in the world issuing the world's reserve currency. Everyone else was a looooser.
@greyghost
Well, I'm proud to say that after 55 votes my vote was the one that brought this pos article down to 1.1
The shame should be with this author...
..give me a break ! Nobody wants these disgusting western CIVILization hating muzzies.
This article is nuts, What you have is cowards who won't fight for their own freedom and country looking to come to western countries and live off the handouts while bringing terrorism and intolerance along with them - the hell with them !
Multiculturalism assumes that "cultures" are relatively weak forces, and that if you take ten individuals from radically different cultures and put them together, you will find that they share more in common than they disagree about.
This has been the foundation of the push to a global society, which has been strongly promoted in the western media for at least 20 years.
For the supporters of this philosophy, their assumption is axiomatic; no proof needs to be offered, though if asked, they will point to the prior waves of immigrants in the US, the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, etc. And without a doubt, there are tens of millions of people who assmilated relatively seamlessly into the cultural paradigm of western Europe and the US. But from a logical point of view, even if the strong majority of cultures assimilate seamlessly, that does not mean there are not exceptions.
One group who have been in these countries for hundreds of years is the jews. What's fascinating about this group is that while one portion of jews has assimilated completely into the western norm and is indistinguishable from other ethnic / racial / religious groups in the broader society, there has always been another portion (a significant proportion) who very consciously and very strictly reject any softening of what they see as their "racial purity". This manifests in dress, food, living arrangements, and in a very careful avoidance of allowing outsiders to join their group.
Now they are not the only group to do this, of course. We all know of the radical wings of most religions. For example the radical Christians, radical Hindus, and radical Mormons certainly all exist. Yet the difference is that while criticism of these other radical sects is permitted in cultural discourse, the radical jews have enjoyed immunity from this criticism. In fact, if anyone dares to criticize anything jewish in any way, there are very powerful organizations (the ADL, for example) who will make that critic wish they had never opened their mouth.
It shows up in these threads quite a lot. In general, I avoid this topic because of the viciousness of the dialog that happens when it comes up. I will catch heat for what I say here, probably, from some side or other. There is no middle ground, it seems. Either you are an anti-semite if you dare criticize the jews, or you are a sheeple moron if you don't attack the jewish faith with everything you've got.
So we have an example in our "multicultural" paradise of a culture that has not assimilated, and in fact considers itself above assimilation. And the power structure supports this, which is not surprising, given that a disproportionate number of the members of that power structure come from this very group.
The members of this group live in the same space as the broader culture (if they choose to), but they do not accept anyone to enter their culture. They can enter into the culture of others, but others cannot reciprocate. This is an imbalance.
And now we have Islam.
Isn't it interesting that radical Islam and radical Judaism, who profess to hate each other, are the two groups behaving in the most similar fashion? Just like with Judaism, there are those moslems who integrate completely into the host culture. But also just like in Judaism, there is a significant portion of the Islamic population who refuse to accept the norms of the culture into whose country they have moved.
The difference is that unlike the jews, moslems do not have the political power - and vastly more important, the media power - to enforce the acceptance of their subculture within the broader culture. So although they are behaving in a similar fashion culturally, the backlash against them is significantly larger.
An additional factor to consider is demographics. While the jews have disproportionate political power, they have always maintained a relatively small population percentage relative to the countries where they live (outside of Israel, of course). This is the big difference between the jews and the moslems. The moslem population is growing rapidly. Any country looking at a group whose population demographic is growing that fast needs to think seriously about what that population will demand of them. Because the others living in that country will be forced by sheer weight of numbers to accept the cultural norms of the larger group. Demographics is destiny. Cliche, and absolutely true.
And what are they demanding? The Saudis comments yesterday about a mosque for every 100 moslems who enter Europe were stunning. The radical side of Islam (which is most definitely the house of Saud) clearly wants a moslem Europe. Is that a multicultural idea?
Which brings us back to where I started. Will all cultures enter the "multicultural ideal" that is promoted and continue the tolerance which is supposed to be the hallmark of that philosophy?
We have had one culture for centuries refusing to tolerate other cultures' entry into their own, while at the same time insisting on their right to the benefits of the open culture surrounding them. They are the chosen people, after all, right? Our first example of the fact that multiculturalism can have significant exceptions, which creates a weakness in the underpinnings of the philosophy from the beginning, especially given that many of the loudest proponents of that philosophy come from the very group that refuses to have the cultural motion be a two way street.
And now we have another culture also insisting on its own norms and refusing to accept the broader culture around it entering the scene. And this new culture has a demographic element to it that forces us to pay attention.
This article suggests that to argue against these subcultures is unacceptable. But at what point do the intolerant wings of Judaism and Islam become so problematic that they outweigh the benefits of accepting those portions of their populations who are willing to integrate into the existing cultures of western Europe and the US? I don't claim to have an answer to this question, but to dismiss it out of hand is either ridiculously naive or deceptive in the extreme.
This may be a pointless discussion. Because demographics are what they are, and because the technology for populations to move is now so ubiquitous, discussing this may be beside the point. It will simply happen, and we better get used to the change; there's no stopping it.
But if discussion can still have an influence on the future of the territories who created this philosophy of multiculturalism, we who live here need to think very hard about whether the newest culture on the block is going to permit the very foundation which is allowing them to enter in the first place.
Brilliant comment but, one caveat if I may. The Tribe does not behead you if you fail to join them. Muslims do. Radical Judaism does not center around the idea that all must join their religion or face death, instead they concentrate on infiltrating the local political/economic system in order to gain favors/advantages while maintaining ideologically distant from the local culture. Muslims, OTOH, use direct violence or threats of violence (which amounts to the same thing) to change and dominate the local culture. Jews infiltrate, Muslims invade.
Very valid points. History provides several examples of the ultimate incompatibility of diverse populations. Diversity + Proximity = War.
The Muslims once invaded and controlled the Iberian Peninsula. It took several hundred years of strife to remove them.
Historical facts. But just think, if those Spaniards had just welcomed the Muslim invaders with hugs, housing, dental plans, and their daughters' wombs instead. We could have all just got along, right? Right?
Wow, fantastic post, thank you!
"In countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and many other muslim majority countries, as a non-muslim, you can not practise your faith freely."
Pakistan? Seriously?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_churches_in_Pakistan
http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Gurdwaras_of_Pakistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hindu_temples_in_Pakistan
As for the rest, apart from Saudi Arabia and the Emirates, I know of no others, save Iran, that ban the practice of other religions. Iran has a particular issue with the Bahai faith, I suppose because it competes directly with Islam, but other major religions, including Judaism, are permitted.
Anyway, run down the list and see if what you *think* you know corresponds with reality:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_by_country
Addendum:
Official sanctions are one thing, but try - just try - getting elected to public office in any western nation if you don't profess a belief in god, preferably the Christian version.
Some more Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_discrimination_in_Pakistan
Considering the violence and killing of recent years, "freely" does not really apply.
I was looking at it from an official policy point of view, but we all know the difference between what govt. says and what it actually does (or does not).
Point well taken. Thank you.
Which reminds me of a Ukie joke I saw the other day:
THAT'S TERRIBLE!!
Can't wait to tell it...
They were gassing and starving millions of Russian POWs. The World Jewish COngress has been pushing the 6 million number since the 1800s looking for sympathy to get their own money laundering centers somewhere in the world, where they would be free from any scrutiny.
@Latina Lover:
For a proto-communist, you sure are an elitist snob.
There is no shame in cleaning toilets.
You are such vile, unmitigated trash.
Let me guess, you are Polish or Western Ukrainian. Must suck to be you, LOL>
Could not agree more, and yes, that alleged Latin thing is a shit-eating louse.
What's a shit eating louse? Even Wikipedia does not describe it.
You must be Western Ukrainian, since having the worst performing economy in the world gives you experience dealing with shit eating louses.
Shouldn't you be spewing @ the Saker? To the Gulag for you, Da!
Is that you, InjuredT from too much masturbation, or one of your other alter ego ID's, elemental stupidity? The Ukraine is still the world performing economy in the last 25 years, because of hateful idiots brainwashed them into hating Russians, while the dual shit-i-zens rob them blind. Personally, I wish all of the Muslims would move to the Ukraine, to breed out your stupidity. If only we would be so lucky..
https://vimeo.com/138863771
Check out all the sub-saharan black "Syrians" yelling "MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!!"
That video, while depressing, certainly makes me appreciate Mexicans.
you must live in New England
Spittle Lee hasn't schooled them yet...Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money. Don't worry, Papa Doc Barack has named Spittle (Spike) US Ambassador for Future ObamaTicks For Life.
Impressive comment about the Poles, Latina Lover: carefully thought through, with exactly the right amount of subtle and balanced nuance in your judgment - in short, a masterpiece of perspicacity IMO.
At last, a considered comment, instead of the usual ad hominen drivel. A well timed flip is far more effective than the crude broad sides of most members of fight club. Touche.
@Latina Lover:
The authentic voice of Russian chauvinism strikes again.
As does the Ukie troll army, working for their 100 grivnas.
I am not Russian but have recently visited Kiev, and can say that the Ukie girls give the best head for less than 10 USD, and I probably overpaid.
Obviously a Moldovan. Cabbage humping Russian comfort girl.
Last time I checked, the girls from Lviv are from the Ukraine (althrough it was hard to understand them with their mouths full)
Besides, Moldova has a higher GNP per capita than the Ukraine. Even the Moldavians are better off than the western ukies.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/gdp
I was wondering why someone with such a low opinion of a people would fly half way around the world to visit no less than both their major cities ? ... then it dawned on me. Your realization that you are the only westerner who ever had to pay for it while in Ukraine is driving your vitriol. You must be as ugly on the outside as you are on the inside. The Irony of your handle is suddenly axiomatic.
Yes - you overpaid by about 10 USD. In fact if you include the cooked breakfasts in bed, guided tours of the city and tips on ovoiding being ripped off by taxi drivers that I enjoyed at the hands of the native female population while there the figure is probably closer to $100 USD.
It's disappointing to be reminded of the "book - cover" proverb .... intelligence it seems can be much like beauty - only skin deep.
China is taking none of the Muslims either, they are not stupid.
L.O.L.
Hell I would be glad to have a few hundred muslim refugees come to my compound. I would stack them five foot high and use them as sandbags.
You should invite a few to your booby-trapped, barricaded compound, instead of running away and living in bunker help someone yourself. Do something yourself other than spewing hate messages 24/7 and proclaiming to shoot anyone in your gun-sight.
Those are pathetically weak ad hominem and argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacies, since everything you say is horseshit, and a personal attack, diverting attention away from my actual argument.
Is that the best you can do? Most ZH readers are not ignorant.
If you want to see real barricaded compounds, hate messages, and actual shooting of people, then visit the KSA or Israel.
Well said, HH., albiet casting pearls before swine
Israel already has more than 1,000,000 Muslim refugees in Israel and another 3,000,000 Muslim refugees in Judea and Samaria.
Can one even be a refugee in one's own homeland?
The refugees in Israel are all Jewish immigrants.
Are Blacks in America African immigrants?
Some black immigrants to the USA are from Africa. Only a small percent of blacks in America are immigrants. I am sure you know this. What is your point?
My point - exactly as you said, but applied to Israel, i.e. Jews born in Israel are not immigrants, as blacks born in the US are not immigrants.
Duh.
Really? And the 4,000 years of Jewish history before the Palestianian birthing of 1964?
And the 4,000 years of Palestinian history before the birth of Israel in 1948?
Who was in Israel before the Israelites?
All of this only matters for an apartheid government.
It you had to bet your family's life on proving an obvious out of thin air creation, you would have never been born. Don't bother responding to me with your fermenting bucket of swill, buby.
The prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century. "Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine in a limited way until World War I. The first demand for national independence of the Levant was issued by the Syrian–Palestinian Congress on 21 September 1921.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians
I guess it doesn't much matter who was there before Moses led the herd to Canaan when God is your Real Estate agent.
Canaanites out, Jews in. End of story.
Or, at least, the end of that part of the story.
Like a Steven King novel, it a long read.
Personally the point is not that Israel should take them but that Jews in the West scream for the West to take them but not Israel which proves that their arguments are bogus and their true motivation is ethnic hatred and revenge.
It is the Communist International that alledgedly died in 1989. Same tactic, same meme. Too bad US institutions are now fully infused w/ these filthy Russian/Soviet whores.
You're missing the point: Israel and the Jews are a holy people, with special needs.
The various flavours of goyim have to solve their own problems.
Palestina has more than 6,000,000 Jewish terrorists in Palestina and another 8,000,000 till 14,000,000 Jewish parasites spread all over the world.
How dare those filthy fucking Polocks want to protect their culture, nation, people, history, and religion?! Don't they know history ended and the New World Order has no borders?! Don't they know all people are free to roam around the Earth and move to whatever country they want?! Don't they want their girls, women, and children "enriched" by Muslim dicks?! Fucking Poles. Fuck them!
That's you, you piece of shit author.
After reading this article, I think there is hope for Poland. Now if they would stop giving blow jobs to the USSA, this would be real progress.
http://www.newsweek.com/we-gave-americans-blow-job-got-nothing-says-poli...
Amen - Poland and a few other East Euro countries are the ONLY sane countries left on this rock.
How many Muslim refugees is the one of the largest nations of Earth, Russia, inviting? Fucking Zero, you weak ZHemmrhioder Putin jizz gulpers. What's it taste like?
That whore who birthed you tells me it tastes like grape koolaid.
I see you favor your Mother's maiden name, Bunghole.
Aren't there Palestinian children you should be torturing?
Agree. Europe owes Islam nothing. Am trying to avoid referencing the fact that the writer appears to be a J oh oh, but am so sick of communist J oh ohs (who secretly are hoping for the fall of Western Civilization) telling Europeans what to do. These so-called "intellectuals" are communism's plague rats.
So sad that Hungary and Austria's forebearers lost their lives trying to contain Islam's menace, only for Angela Merkel to undo everything they accomplished in the span of a few months.
*edit* Just want to crow about the fact that the power of prejudice is real, and I called this guy to the T before reading his biography.
With a name like Jan I was impressed you got the gender correct.
This article is just one big hypocrisy on "prime time"
http://www.kla.tv/5783
Where is the red crescent organization?? The Muslim red cross has disappeared like tears in the rain..
Kuwait and Israel said it would adversely affect their culture if they would take in refugees. European countries of course have no culture so NP if they have to take in millions of refugees. They should welcome the diversity. /s
http://www.infowars.com/kuwait-israel-admit-they-refuse-to-take-refugees...
Israel by contrast, has yet to come to terms with its murderous past. Only when it does will its people be able to recognize their obligation to save those fleeing in the face of evil. Fixed it.
What a fucking shit article.
Your typical leftard journalist at work. Funny part is, they always wonder why nobody reads them...
Indeed! The European left is all out on the streets supporting the migrants. Hoping millions of Arabs and Blacks will share communism as a common political view. These leftists who stand for the Migrants are traitors and evil.
Where were they when the actions creating all this chaos were being taken, led by emperor Obama.
Hasn't the European Left always been in the Soviet pocket? Without the US, every single Western European state would have been East German Nazi-Stasists. voluntarily.
Maybe US should take 800,000 migrants from Europe then ? USN 6th Fleet is there anyway, playing with their rubber ducks in the Mediterranean bathtub...
In my experience many of the European leftists gathering to celebrate the migrant waves have no intention of having children, equating Western families with irresponsible consumption of the earth's finite resources. Hence they have no stake in the West's future and can enjoy a purely moral viewpoint removed from practicalities or consequences. To them, only an accident of birth allows white children to inherit what appears to be stability and prosperity, an injustice they are rectifying through open borders.
I believe such viewpoints represent a flash in the pan, since their adherents voluntarily write themselves out of the book of life. They will disappear within a generation or two, their harm having been universally but belatedly recognised. But the damage they do to an entire people's chance of survival may be irreparable.
I agree. The West should deport the leftists to the ME, along with the barbarian hordes. They love them so much they should go live with them. Nihilistic, treasonous, arseholes, every last one of them.
"My greatest flaw. I surround myself with idiots."
- Victor von Doom
I could tell it was brainwashed propaganda from the first sentence.
They're not refugees, and they're bringing the war to Europe, not escaping it elsewhere.
Indeed. All I read was the first sentence. It's like ZeroHedge is trying to troll us at this point by posting this garbage. I guess they have to show "both sides" of the "debate." But all the Leftist communists have at this point is name calling and white guilt. Sorry, white guilt doesn't work on the Eastern Europeans.
This is one of the few qualities that the Eastern Europeans got right, no white guilt for mostly imaginary crimes.
25 years later is Karadzic a prophet? In a parliamentary speech before the Yugoslav civil war he said in 100 years people would understand why Muslim encroachment into Europe needed to be stopped with extreme violence. His timing was off.
#Karadzicwasright
#Lothropwasright
#Enochwasright
I think this was a joke. Guys, this was just a joke right? Guys?
No joke, I'm affraid ! This is what passes as "journalism" nowadays...
Yeah, the joke is on us, White European Males who buy into this BS.
Those Eastern European countries are the only ones attempting to save what is left of their culture, the rest of Europe is committing suicide and allowing the Muslim hordes to invade and take over.
https://vimeo.com/138863771
Check out all the sub-saharan black "Syrians" yelling "MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!!"
who writes this crap!
Baby Boomer Leftists/communists that hate all white people.
They need not feel ashamed to preserve their nation and peoples. And they owe you zero explanation Jan.
"Jan T. Gross was born in Warsaw, Poland, in 1947 to Hanna Szuma?ska, who was a member of the Polish resistance (Armia Krajowa),[1] and Zygmunt Gross, who was a PPS member. His father is Jewish and his mother is Catholic"
I take it he only has half of his foreskin left? Germany will reneg on Schengen and shit will get real soon
This is NOT Europe's problem.
It is now.
"We're not the world,
They're not our children.
There ain't no way to make an ape humane,
So let's stop giving.
It's a choice we're making,
We're saving our White lives.
It's true, you know it's them or you,
So let them die."
I have a crazy idea, stop overthrowing governments and blowing up their countries and you won't have a refugee problem. Just a thought.
Not always. When one force withdraws, others see opportunity. Ususally, the largest, fastest and most ruthless outfit takes over.
US out of Iraq -> ISIS enters Iraq. Things got worse.
Soviets out of Afganistan -> Taliban now controls Afganistan. Things got worse.
Israel out of Gaza -> Fatah/Hamas now controls Gaza. Things got worse.
ISIS in Iraq is at least in part due to the Shitty-Shia take over orchestrated by a ZHemmrhoider favorate; Ayatollah Kumfrommany. ;0
ISIS was created out of whole cloth by the US government. Their leaders came from the US Army prison Camp Bucca. Their funding came from US allies in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and other Gulf oil kingdoms. Their weapons and training came from Hillary's State Department. Their intel comes from the CIA. Their onsite logistical support comes from US allies Turkey and Israel.
“A lie told often enough becomes the truth.” Hymen Lenin. Effing retard
So far all of your examples begin with one group blowing and invading up another's country.
That's an interesting phrase, "another's country".
The historical record will show it became "their country" after "they" invaded and conquered it.
So, yes, all of my - and any historical - example will always "begin with one group blowing and invading up another's country." And that is my point.
[Back to work I go.]
US out of Iraq
US still in Afghanistan
CIA funnels heroin profits to Jihadis for recruiting, weapons, and training
US in Libya.
CIA funnels weapons from Benghazi to Turkey to Syria for ISIS
ISIS enters Iraq -> This got worse.
FIFY
Indeed Dr. E., this is actually the source of the problem. And given the French and British experiences, there's no reason for the other Europeans to share their countries with muslims. The craziness of the Angela Merkel is beyond limits. She has produced selfies showing her smiling with refugees and openly told the world that "there is no upper limit for asylum seekers in Germany". Now Germany alone must foot the bill for causing the ensuing stampede. There's no reason for Poland or other European countries to take part in this doomed effort.
The Germans should have that kowtowing bitch strung up from a bridge for what she is allowing.
I'll ask the question again: what is an Ossie hundinen like Merkel doing running Germany? The west won the cold war and Germany is a western state.
Otherwise why fight the cold war or any other war going forward, if winning means nothing?
The International Money Power won the Cold War. Angela Ka?mierczak is not German, nor does she represent the German people. She is a Manager, hired by the Owners of the European Project.
Just yesterday I saw the German ambassador to somewhere (I wasn't really paying attention) state that Germany needs immigration because of the declining birthrate of native Germans. He actually said that.
Well, OK, you could do far worse than Syrians, I mean REAL Syrians, not the fake-ass variety. My BF and co-conspirator R had an interesting take on this. He figures the Germans will filter out the educated, secular Syrians, and shine the rest on. So, in effect, Germany gets pick of the liter and the rest can languish while awaiting acceptance elsewhere, or until the war is over and they can return. Meanwhile, a lot of low paying jobs that would otherwise go to East Europeans will go to "Syrians" awaiting their hearings. So there's another reason for E. Europeans to hate on Syrians: They tuk ur jerbs!
Anyway, I'm not there, so WTF do I know? All I know is, I've been living and working with people from the ME and India/Pakistan most of my adult life, and what I see is this: They work hard, take care of their families, and unlike most domestic Canadians, I can talk to them about the kind of stuff discussed on ZH without the requisite blank stare or bristling condemnation. It's a breath of fresh air actually.
Another personal observation: While Canada promotes "Multiculturalism" and the US hoicks up the "Melting Pot" theory, in practice the opposite seems to be happening. New Canadians assimilate on a routine basis to the point that (except for color) you really can't tell them apart after one or two generations. New Americans, OTOH, seem to cluster in ghettos from which only the brightest and most ambitious manage to escape. What exactly drives this I have no idea, and I'm not making a case for Canada good, US bad. It's just something I've noticed - I mean, how can you not?
What a shithead the German ambassador is then. The answer to a declining birthrate is not barbarian invasion - but a restoration of the conditions that brought about a healthy birthrate in the first place! A declining birth rate is only the symptom, not the disease.
The disease is selfishness, nihilism and an entitlement mindset.
Want to cure this disease? No problem - cancel the socialism throughout the West - inclusive of support structures and communist/liberal values - and we'll all have to struggle to survive again. Out of that will emerge the hardened builders and warriors of the future West - and they will live, breath and eat personal responsibility.
You bet your boots they'd breed. Problem solved.
"My greatest flaw. I surround myself with idiots."
- Victor von Doom
We didn't start this fire. What began as another Arab Spring uprising against an autocratic ruler has mushroomed into a brutal proxy war that has drawn in regional and world powers. I usually view reporting from the BBC as hopelessly biased but this summary of the war in Syria is actually quite accurate. A key take-away is this quote: "The disappointment caused by the West's inaction (in response to atrocities by the Assad regime) created a fertile recruiting ground for extremists, who told those who had lost their loved ones that they were their only hope."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26116868
Bullshit. The "Arab Spring" was all from the result of the U.S destabilizing governments they've propped up for years. I find it hard to believe that you are presenting the BBC as a credible source when they are the main propaganda arm for .gov.
"Pro-democracy protests erupted in March 2011 in the southern city of Deraa after the arrest and torture of some teenagers who painted revolutionary slogans on a school wall. After security forces opened fire on demonstrators, killing several, more took to the streets.
The unrest triggered nationwide protests demanding President Assad's resignation. The government's use of force to crush the dissent merely hardened the protesters' resolve. By July 2011, hundreds of thousands were taking to the streets across the country."
I suppose in your America-hating worldview we planted those teenagers and had them write those revolutionary slogans, precipitating the conflict.
You really are naive.
Hopefully you're sterile.
Not familiar with that poster but it would appear someone is on the verge of not being naive anymore. There is no need to be mean if that is the case. After all, she is reading and debating on ZH.
If she is just another troll, nevermind me.
your problem is too many people on this board have done their homework - your propaganda doesnt have legs - use the NYT for your promote and read Seymour Hersh on Sarin Gas in Syria
"I find it hard to believe that you are presenting the BBC as a credible source when they are the main propaganda arm for .gov."
Yeah, but their graphics are really cool and their newsroom looks like the bridge of the Starship Enterprise, so there's that.
Jesus Christ, go eat a fucking dick you mongoloid.
I agree with your main point but the Syrian refugees are about 10% of what's happening. The media focus on that because they are lying, manipulative scum.
The "humanitarian" thing to do is stop the wars and send refugees back to their native homes.
Why aren't all those 18 to 25 year old "immigrants" staying home and fighting for what's right for their own country, culture, and civilization?
They are fighting. Their mission is to take Europe. So far so good.
Cuz free stuff
"Uh, Mr. President, there's been some mistake. When you said, 'Build the FSA, no matter how much it costs.', we thought you meant to create Free Syria Army, not the Free [Stuff] Army."
https://vimeo.com/138863771
Check out all the sub-saharan black "Syrians" yelling "MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!!"