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Stunning Video Emerges As 1000s Flee California Wildfires After Governor Calls 'State Of Emergency'
As if the drought was not disheartening enough, wildfires are now raging across many parts of northen and southern California focing Governor Jerry Brown to call a state of emergency. Nowhere is the crisis more evident than in NorCal's Lake County where, as The LA Times reports, the untamed wildfire forced chaotic evacuations, is consuming hundreds of homes and businesses, and has outrun the efforts of a growing army of firefighters to corral it. However, as the following clip shows, one car-driver ran the gauntlet and managed to outrun "the worst tragedy Lake County has ever seen," in a scene right out of a disaster movie.
The pictures from CA's newest fire are simply apocalyptic. Too hot, too dry, for too long pic.twitter.com/1tEXCbY1L0
— Bill McKibben (@billmckibben) September 14, 2015
A swiftly spreading wildfire destroyed hundreds of homes and forced thousands of residents to flee as it roared unchecked through the northern California village of Middletown and nearby communities, fire officials said on Sunday.
The so-called Valley Fire, now ranked as the most destructive among scores of blazes that have ravaged the drought-stricken Western United States this summer, came amid what California fire officials described as "unheard of fire behavior" this season.
A separate fire raging since Wednesday in the western Sierras has leveled more than 130 buildings and was threatening about 6,400 other structures, with thousands of residents under evacuation orders there, too, the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (Cal Fire) reported.
Governor Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency in both areas, and mandatory evacuations were expanded as shifting winds sent flames and ash from the Valley Fire toward a cluster of towns in the hills north of Napa Valley wine country.
As the following clip shows, locals had no time to prepare as they ran the gauntlet to survival...
"Middletown is basically gone," said one local evacuee.
"I saw flames all around ... The wind was insane. I have never been so scared," she said.
Mark Donpineo, 54, said he and two friends were trapped by the fire for four hours Saturday evening at a golf course in Hidden Valley Lake, taking cover in a culvert until the flames had passed.
"We got some towels, wetted them down and basically saw the fire coming. You could hear explosions of propane tanks, the ridge was totally on fire, trees were blowing up," he said.
Meanwhile, Cal Fire reported that 81 homes and 51 outbuildings had been lost in the four-day-old Butte Fire, which has charred more than 65,000 acres in the mountains east of Sacramento but was 20 percent contained.
As of Sunday, firefighters were battling nearly three dozen large blazes or clusters of fires in California and six other Western states, according to the National Interagency Fire Center in Boise, Idaho.
Sheriff Brian Martin described the fire as “the worst tragedy Lake County has ever seen.”
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I just hope our government has made the necessary preparations that I carefully outlined in my article exactly two years ago regarding a state of emergency:
http://accredited-times.com/2013/09/12/are-we-equipped-for-a-state-of-em...
It is essential that in time like these, our government has the tools, resources and protocols in place to swiftly declare martial law and escort us to safety. It is also vital that the use of dangerous firearms is restricted during such times to limit criminal activity such as looting and mugging.
Prolly started by a Tesla too..
And that's some funny shit MDB_ ^^^^^^^^
and if it ever comes to light that the weather manipulation is root cause for this, the people responsible need to pay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y41eF0-PtdI
Oh yeah... That too.
Uh huh..
Yep..
Sure nuff...
Moar like CERN spewing out red hot little black holes..
BURN THAT BITCH DOWN!
Massive "wild fires" would make one, literal, Hell of an asymmetric war salvo.
May be time for some chemical depots to blow.
And THAT, ladies and gents is what it looks like a week after EBT benefits stop flowing. Except it happens everywhere all at once.
Jerry Brown has sure declared a lot of emergencies, but that would be the topper.
yes, that is the real threat. and the looting and destroying of stores across the nation would wreck future shipments. And it would be immediate.
In a couple of years this will have regrowth and it'll be prime real estate going for cheap. This holocaust can be partially blamed on stupid people who see no benefit to timber beng harvested, prescribed burns, and tree thinning operations. Stupid frigging enviros.
Now that Obama has his Iran sellout taken care of he will use this as a backdrop for arguing that we need to do something about global warming/global climate change/global climate disruption. He will use the suffering these people went through to succeed in implementing his government regulations as a part of fundamentally changing this country for the worse. The whores in Congress, Republican and Democrat alike, will help him do it.
What happens when the EBT cards stop will be far worse. Picture this, now with gangbangers shooting at your vehicle and trying to stop you as you flee town. Worse, much worse.
EBT cards will never stop. that is political suicide. What will happen is that they won't be able to buy anything do to a currency meltdown. Politician can blame that on all sorts of capitalist ideas. Just look to Venezuela.
SPF 1000 is a must
I call BS.
That video is either from Ferguson or Baltimore.
SPF 1000 + AR15 a must.
Oh man...So close to Sacramento yet so far away...
All the better for Keynesian economics. Think of the boon to construction, and broken windows! If only we could be invaded by aliens...oops.
Psalm 11:6 - Upon the wicked He will rain snares; Fire and brimstone and burning wind will be the portion of their cup
Aw, that's just climate change.
Probably will be the case. The cards will still arrive - they will just be worthless one way or another. And instead of an instantaneous event it will be a slow march towards increasing violence until some event polarizes da hood. That is when the miltary toys the police have been collecting come out.
Not just gangbangers, Virginia hillbillies, white trash, and anybody that needs EBT cards.
Elvis Costello - "The Other Side of Summer":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww0hN-puTdA
And that is what a Carrington event today might leave us facing nationwide, we didn't have such an electrical grid in 1861 to catch on fire.
Long on Brimstone.
" Infidels! "
I wish it was burning San Francisco. They elso can have a big one earthquake.
I thought El Nino was supposed to bring rain to that region.
Actually, El Nino will bring mud slides now that the fires have cleared the veg.
In the winter it should rain more (although last year started as an el nino and fizzled). In the summer the best <worst> you'll get is some thunderstorms without enough rain to put out the fires started by their lightning strikes. There are a lot of trees in California and some will burn each year but the last few weeks have been worse than normal. We had a nice red sunset last night from the smoke :(
First real rainfalls are hitting SoCal today. Keep your eye on the evening news bouncing ball.
They do not need anymore anchor el ninos of la ninas . They have lowered educational standards enough already.
They do not need anymore anchor el ninos of la ninas . They have lowered educational standards enough already. Besides they are running out of sniffing glue.
This is an indrect effect of Fuki heating the West Coast. It will get lots worse until the entire shoreline lights up.
Spooky.
"and if it ever comes to light that the weather manipulation is root cause for this, the people responsible need to pay"
Clymer you are absolutely right. We need to wake people up to this massive government cover up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lh5pJPBlOE
http://geoengineeringwatch.org
"and if it ever comes to light that the weather manipulation is root cause for this, the people responsible need to pay"
Clymer - It looks llike the people responsible just may pay...a team of attorneys have been organized in California along with a whole host of other experts to file a lawsuit against the governement for their covert climate engineering crimes as per the article below:
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/anti-geoengineering-attorneys-give-up...
Anti-Geoengineering Attorneys Give Updated Statement On Preparations For Legal Action To Expose Global Climate Engineering
On August 14th, 2015, there was a major event in Northern California that was organized for the purpose of exposing and halting global climate engineering programs that are decimating our planet and the entire web of life. Numerous experts spoke out at this event including attorneys, former government scientists, a former defense industry technician, former military personnel, a prominent Northern California Neurologist, and a CEO for one of the largest environmental and engineering consulting firms in the world. Approximately 1000 people attended this event. A team of 7 attorneys (5 from the US and 2 from Canada) are working together with geoengineeringwatch.org in the effort to put forward a legal filing against the ongoing covert climate engineering crimes.
-It's absurd to think human actions can affect the climate
-Dark Forces are controlling the weather via HAARP and other nefarious means
I'm taking a poll; I can't keep track of the zeitgeist some days.
dats rayciss
Hah! I didn't even think of that. OK, "Malevolent" forces.
<-- HAARP and X-37B space plane
<-- 100% natural 'climate change'
Well, those options don't include a third possibility that I was trying to include in my poll. It's kind of tricky with only two buttons, isn't it.
My personal opinion is that climate conditions in California are returning to the mean after an abnormally wet period, but that in the interval we've put way too many people and agricultural interests out there, and built far too much in places not viable in the long term. Whether or not people's production of huge amounts of CO2 has anything to do with it I don't know, and it's almost not relevant any more. The changed conditions are what we have to start getting serious about dealing with.
Sort of like building a city where we have New Orleans now, and then not being serious about dikes, seawalls, and the actual function of the natural bayous.
What is the motive for doing this? Seriously. You can never find anything written that breaks down their motives and factual reason for it. Please explain.
From "Call it Conspiracy," by Larry Abraham, 1985. Page 286, 'Desperation moves:'
"The establishment conspirators will do their best to keep people calm with respect to the solvency of the big banks, and keep them worried about the solvency of the economy in general. They need more power. They need more control over the private decisions of individuals. They will try to scare the public into granting them what they want. We can expect to see a steady loss of confidence on the part of the public concerning political and economic leaders. We can also expect to see the imposition of emergency economic controls as the economy unravels. The dollar will eventually tumble, throwing the world trading economy into a crisis. The answer will be the same three-point program of Keynesians and liberals everywhere: taxation, regulation, and inflation.
They would like to get a new Constitution to accomplish their goals. If voters can be frightened into allowing a Constitutional convention or similar event, the Establishment will shove a new Constitution down our throats, One very possible excuse: A WAVE OF LATIN AMERICAN REFUGEES STREAMING ACROSS THE BORDER..."
These aims could also be achieved by simply increasing the number of overall refugees by means such as fire, disease, and drought. When one controls the food, the water, AND where you live, you have people by the balls. At that point, when people are desperate, they will take whatever lifeline you throw at them, even if it is tainted...like: GLOBALISM and a New World Order. THAT is the goal here, and based on what I see with all the refugee crises around the world occurring simultaneously - and with the Pope scheduled to give a speech on 'saving the planet' while we head towards a financial Armageddon...why, I think what we are witnessing is the movement towards the master stroke of the elite: make things so horrible, and destroy so much and so many, that whoever survives will be HAPPY to accept their new system, and live under THEIR rules.
DO not be deceived: this drought was geoengineered, and these fires are NO ACCIDENT. The aluminum that has been sprayed all over the west to keep the rain away has entered the root systems of these trees, making them especially explosive when burned.
Just look around the world at this time, at the masses of humanity on the move: all over Europe; in Japan with the recent typhoon; in Russia; in Libya and other African countries; here in the US with our porous borders (and now, fire-stricken families - including my BEST FRIENDS, who will be staying with me). THIS IS *PLANNED*, and it is meant to overwhelm the system and create chaos and even, the elite hopes, skirmishes amongst us as we fight for space and food. Divide and conquer, all over again.
What is going on now with these fires in the west is the PLANNED burning of the woods and other areas where most self-sufficient people have set up, hoping to ride out the storm. These areas are also where the most awakened of us would head for, once the SHTF in the cities. Now, those roads are being closed, and we are being herded into cities, soon to be packed in like sardines. Many will actually WANT to head for FEMA camps to be taken care of. THAT IS THE GOAL. And it won't stop there: the cities will become 'The Hunger Games', FOR REAL. Just as the elites prepared us for, with their movie PROGRAMMING.
We need to see this bullshit for what it is, and rise as one against those who CREATED this entire mess: the bankers, and the politicians, and their lackeys who keep them in power. Regardless of what you might think of what I just wrote, at least BELIEVE THIS. There is a common denominator in all of this, and let that be remembered when the SHTF hits YOUR fan. It has already hit mine.
Don't you know that Soros already bankrolled the new socialist constitution that they want to force upon us all? They already had their little, private, progressive constitutional convention. Sunstein and Holder were also involved and Hillary gave an introductory speech.
http://keywiki.org/Constitution_2020
With their lives and their estates!
LMAO, like people would ever believe it....90% of the population believes every little thing the govt tells them....we have a country of imbeciles now dude.....
and more USURY.........dont forget that..........
to the guys in the golf course culvert for four hours: a wildfire isn't controlled by the fed---you started a round of golf because you thought and were conditioned that greenspan, bernanke and yellen have your back and you are always safe.
Outlaw the mediums of exchange. Use astrologers.
Next up - rains and mudslides.
If you weren't so off the wall bat shit crazy, you'd be off the wall bat shit crazy.
It is essential that in time like these, our government has the tools, resources and protocols in place to swiftly declare martial law and escort us to safety. It is also vital that the use of dangerous firearms is restricted during such times to limit criminal activity such as looting and mugging.
Here I was about the give you props for a well-played bit of satire until I went and read that link. Obama the compassionate father figure, primitive gun laws, "liberty" and "constitution" in quotes?
Fuck off, statist slime. I've lived up in that area, and I know how they feel about your martial law gun grab in the name of saving the people from themselves. Good luck with that.
With your 3 weeks membership on ZH you have obviously never seen the original: "MillionDollarBonus". The current copycat "MillionDollarBonus_" has been trying to follow the tradition of the original. The current copycat has gotten better over time and is able to fool you and the rest of the down voters into believing that his writings are anything but Satire. Lighten up!
I disagree sir. I contend that the most valuable aspect of MLB_'s posts is that they provide a target for our anger and rage at the insanity that is the mainstream line.
/truth
I checked last week and MDB and MDB_ accounts are the same age. Someone guessed it was Chumba in drag.
He must have liked to step on ant hills when he was young.
pods
Chumba in drag...
I know the current response is "not that there's anything wrong with that", and I almost used it here, but there IS something wrong with formulating and constructing such a pseudo plausible explanation for what will be used as legitimate reasoning for crossing the thin blue line.
Dangerous exhange, but necessary nonetheless.
jmo.
I've always had an underscore.
If you are referring to your IQ, I believe that.
He's a paid totalitarian shill.
“What hump?”
The current copycat has gotten better over time and is able to fool you and the rest of the down voters into believing that his writings are anything but Satire. Lighten up!
Call me Francis, then. Ah, well I am damn glad to hear it. I don't mind falling for a good prank and having to take a little noob lube. Better that than this guy being serious.
If he wasn't at least amusing, don't worry, we would have run him off a long time ago.
Poe's law in full effect.
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And the drag squeals as MDB hooks another one......................
Fish on, fish on!
pods
People should stop with the catch and release. There'd probably be some good back and forths if they didn't immediately pop in with, 'SATIRE'.
Bath House: "No doubt a firearm discharge caused this Fire. Another reason for Gun Control."
Next thing you know they'll be banning Klan rallies. What's the world coming to?
I seen a video of it, an AR-15 black rifle crawled out a window and lit the wood pile on fire. Started the whole thing.
"It is also vital that the use of dangerous firearms is restricted during such times to limit criminal activity such as looting and mugging"
Yes I am sure the criminals will comply wholeheartedly
Man, normally, I find your satire humorous. However, today I just find no humor in your comment. Perhaps I'm just ready for the charade to end, and I'm growing weary of the seemingly constant assault on civil liberties and common sense? I still won't down vote you though.
"MillionDollarBonehead_" above ^
Obviously your a State Actor - Schill or Troll. A "Critical Stinker" not a Critiacal Thinker. Eco Terrorism by State Actors is clearly not in your contrived lexicon or logic ratiocination porocess.
More Carrot & less stick up my ass.
Reichstag Fire 2.0 you moron....
We will save a slice for him from the guillotine.
uncomprahendud sawcasum be bring out d'woist in d'peepses...
Most likely done by .gov for the same reason Nero burnt rome
Are the crazy environmentalists out west still preventing proper underbrush control and basic forestry techniques? Seems like these wildfires are a yearly occurrence since the late 2000s.
The answer is yes, yes they are. CAn't even cut down the dead wood stands from bark beetle damage. Gotta love 50ft match sticks everywhere mixed in with 20ft deep undergrowth.
MDB, you worship at the alter of big government. One day when that big government turns its intention on you will you understand that is not a cure all, but in fact, it is a ravenous monster that only seeks to devour.
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MDB gets around the same amount of bumps and dumps, around 49/72 maybe.
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Mr. UrineGold must figure "Why should I pay? The Tylers obviously don't mind".
Mr. UrineGold seems to be very popular.
So you cheer if Khazarian warlords can shove their fiats down the throat of the Sheeples ?
Got balls go buy more phyz !!!
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All normal coins in europe sell for 17 euro's
Silver eagles selling for below melt value... Some site reviews indicate it's legit, but I'm not 100%. I placed an order, and right after they sold out. Hoping that it was a loss leader, but even after fx, fees, and shipping still $.75 below melt... *fingers crossed*
Never let a crisis go to waste.
Scary video. He should have sold it to Hollywood.
Jerry is going for the record for state emergencies.
Maybe one day these fires will engulf all the government administration offices and their own homes
I heard his next project was "State of emergency Wednesdays".
You know it's bad when Jerry calls Nestle for water to fight the fires...but DiFi's hubby "won" the high speed rail contract, so all is good in Cally.
That's horriffic.
The Earth will certainly let you know who's boss from time to time.
One burning tree down across the road and he is fucked...a la Robert Wagner in "Towering Inferno".
Luck
You either have it good
or not ...
stalled car, melted tires, asphyxiated by smoke, gas tank go boom!. A set of balls and no brains.
Gee just think of all the new homes that will have to be built and new junk purchased(bought on credit) to replace all the burned up still owed on junk.
Insurance companies will refuse to pay and the Fed/State will issue a road home program while the insurance companies were allowed to steal. Thats how the US works.
How could Insurance companies refuse to pay? In the UK I can think of no reason for not paying out such obvious claims.
I too was waiting for the falling tree on the road.
And it was eerily quiet in that cab.
Ever heard of a hurricane that hit the US called Katrina? Go look up road home program. Some insurance companies refused to pay as their excuse was it would bankrupt them. Therefore road home was created and taxpayers were left holding the bag once again.
+1!
AIG was much larger, but same idea. No insurance company can bear these types of claims and payout and still exist. The taxpayer (via the FED) is ALWAYS THE BACKSTOP! ALWAYS (or as we say in our upstate NY accent - "ooies")
I have close friends who still have not found their home and never got 1 penny from their insurance company. They had to borrow from their 401k when congress and Bush signed an emergency HR bill into law allowing people to use 401k money to start rebuilding their homes. They did not have no choice but to allow 401k because they were protecting insurance companies from crashing the economy. This was in 2005 and the world got a glimpse of exactly what happens to insurance companies when the hen came home to roost in 2008 with AIG and all its CDS.
Suddenly, the insurance companies will get religion and claim it was an act of God. Well, maybe Allah. Gotta be politically correct, it's required by CA state law now.
They use these three words, 'Act of God'.
The video was calling out for music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQcUyhoxTg
There was a distinct lack of zombies ... and cowbell. That video would be huge ... viral.
No wonder the US is falling apart. The entrepreneurial spirit is dead.
Don't worry folks, all this property was insured by AIG, so yes, the rest of the country will pay to replace it all...
SAME AS IT EVER WAS!!!!
yep.
my momma told me that
insurance companies are too big to fail/jail...
too.
bankster boys club.
Cue the hot lava, pray for rain
Thats a lot of pollution California is causing...where is the EPA....oh yeah...they probably started it...
They are fighting the fires using on-hand stocks of Roundup
I will keep all these folks in my prayers.
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Well played!
Tall Tom, R U in Lake County?
These fires are an inside job.
This is "Helicopter Money".
"Jewish Lightning."
The Chinese don't get no respect.
This is a real tragedy. California's fire crews are some of the best trained and professional in the nation. My heartfelt sympathies to everyone affected by these fires.
Meanwhile, the vast many residents of California would rather see you exported to somalia for believing in freedom. I only have concern for the fire fighters and anyone who is not a progressive cock stick. Everyone else can fend for themselves.
FYI, Lake County is more NASCAR country.
I'm not familiar with the regional breakdown which is why I formed my statement the way I did.
A lot of those firefighters are Correction's cream of the crap out fighting these fires, Fire camp is a big perk.
Actually not vast, split is really bout 60-40 but it leaves us fucked in elections. Our state assembly is split 52 dims and 26 repugs. It the tired unwashed masses we get from other states for the excessive welfare we have here that makes it look worse. Me, I live here because I was born here and politically am a fiscally resposible social libertarian (your free but not on my dime). It hurt my head when they reelected Moonbeam.
I just wish I could wake up one morning and read news about San Francisco being obliterated by a disaster.
Why can't fires burn the right things?
Are you a born asshole
or did it develop over time ???
Why? they would say the same shit about you and not only that, they would fucking celebrate it! I wouldn't celebrate SF being obliterated, but I sure wouldn't give a fuck either.
Nice one, cheering for the destruction of an American city. Perhaps you should look into joining ISIS.
Forget about it Jake, it's California.
This is mostly the result of 100 years of fire suppression. Mean reversions are a bitch
+1
This is exactly right. As a 16 yr veteran of the wildland fire service, I'm here to tell you that Smokey Bear lied to you. You can't suppress all wildfires for 100 yrs and not expect this. Proper forest management includes letting some fires burn, thinning timber stands and prescribed fire.
California is worst than most western States as they restrict the amount of acres that can be burned at one time due to air quality regulations. In some places, a controlled burn can't be more than one acre in size. I'm sure there are wonks out there that will try to blame the larger, more extreme fires on "climate change", but it is mostly caused by forest mismanagement.
Take the Southeast for example, there are very large forests down there but do you ever hear of catastrophic wildfires there? Very rarely. Why? Because the burn about a million acres or more annually. Fire is a great tool to manage the land. I actually just got in from burning over 100 acres today. Burning on our terms reduces episodes like those described in this article.
Where are the police ? Where are the firemen ? Where are the politicians ?......oh that's right. You are on your own.
< yawn > California is a big state, plenty of room for these fruits and nuts to move. Don't worry folks, all this property was insured by AIG, so yes, the rest of the country will pay to replace it all...
SAME AS IT EVER WAS!!!!!
Not many fruits or nuts in Lake County. The Clear Lake area is pretty much the meth capital of CA, actually.
"Don't worry folks, all this property was insured by AIG, so yes, the rest of the country will pay to replace it all..."
No, the insurance company will pay for it, which is what insurance companies are handsomely paid to do and the very reason for their existence.
What would be the point of paying insurance otherwise, just fatten up insurance companies?
Funny. Reality is that after a disaster, insurance companies send goons out to look at a pile of ashes and say that it just needs some paint. Then, when the tide turns on them they rush to the state for a bailout on the threat of failure. AND then, they skyrocket rates.
Ask me how I know? lol.
just fatten up insurance companies?...
Surely you jest. Even Uncle Warren's insurance concerns are backstopped by the USG. Eric Holder has made sure there will never be another failure due to derivitive exposure and besides, much of the actual land that's burning is "public" meaning this is precisely the kind of natural management those we placed in charge of it use to prove their worth as guardians.
By the way, being ~50 miles SW from the Butte fire, we've woken up the past couple days to fine white ash which I've had to rinse off my car and onto my green lawn.
I figure I'd rather use the water here than ship it to LA. But then again, I don't owe any favors to my money base for letting me live in Sacramento.
just another day in paradise.
They should have had a burn ban in effect.
These fires occured in a 'burn-free zone'.
Most of those business are no longer smoke free.
We must must must need stricter fire control laws.
If the Butte fire jumps 88, prepare for a 1+ million acre blaze.
I am praying it does. FUCK COMMIEFORNIA
I am praying it does. FUCK COMMIEFORNIA
Go tell the folks up there the are commies. They will use your little bitch ass for target practice.
"little bitch ass"
naw, too easy a target ...
Go for the mouth - better outcome.
We were evacuated Thursday night, got the guns and ammo, pictures and a few other things. I know most people think all of California is all old hippies and liberal, let me tell you, this area is not one of them. One of my friends lost over 50 guns and ammo, including two AR's behind his couch because the fire changed direction and covered the area so quickly they had to virtually run out the door. Our small church has 9 families that have lost their homes, firebreaks and clear space are worthless in this type of fire. We have confirmation that my son's cottage, a little way from the main house is leveled, we don't know about ours yet. However, people here are coming together like I've never seen, gives me a little more hope for when TSHTF. If you want california to burn because it's so liberal, think again, it actually just got more liberal.
The liberal zones are in the big cities and on the coast. Foothills folks learn a different way of thinking . . .
Nobody could see this coming.
Building houses along beach fronts exposed to the open sea,
subdivisions in swamps and flood plains,
real estate development in forested areas.
Most of the emergency costs, fire-fighting costs, and Forest Service budget is to
try to protect such optional housing, not protect forests, never mind public access to
beaches, or natural preserves.
I agree.
If people just would live in their tiny Agenda 21 cubicles in Detroit and Baltimore we wouldn't have these unsustainable ecological problems.
shovelhead
Your either/or portrayal of choices is ridiculous.
Too much leeway has been allowed to real estate developers to build and rebuild
on marginal lands in forests, swamps, and beachfronts, in the process destroying
farmlands, natural preserves, beach access and creating "emergencies" for others to deal with.
If some like to argue "extremes",
should there be no regulation of what can be built anywhere,
and no limits on public expense to protect and rebuild properties
located without regard to hazard?
There are heaps of development regulations! Why do you think housing prices are so expensive? Oh, and that whole thing about private ownership.