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Refugee Crises At Dangerous Tipping Point As Hungary Deploys Army, Germany Loses Patience
"I'm not happy. I had to leave Syria — I love Syria, but so much killing there."
That’s from 17-year old Mohammed Al-Hamdan who made it across the Hungarian border with Serbia at a railroad crossing near the village of Roszke before it was closed on Tuesday. As NBC reports, “just before Hungarian police closed the railroad crossing, a Syrian family ran down the tracks trying to make it through, the patriarch screaming to his wife and small children, ‘Yallah, yallah!’ — Arabic for ‘Let's go!’” Before closing the "popular" passage, Hungary had reportedly begun hauling migrants on to trains and shipping them straight to the Austrian border. “The situation is that after crossing the border these people have arrived at the collection point in Roszke, where there is no official procedure, people are just being collected. Earlier these people were being taken to the registration points ... this is not happening now, but rather, buses are taking people from the collection point to the Roszke train station according to our information,” a UNHCR spokesman told Reuters.

Of course even for the migrants who were "lucky" enough to be rounded up and shipped to Austria as opposed to being stranded behind Hungary's new migrant-be-gone fence, their fate is far from certain. As The New York Times noted on Monday, Austrian officials have now sent "2,200 soldiers to help reinforce the eastern border."
The rush to get into the Hungary came as the country largely completed a four meter, razor wire fence meant to cut off the flow of refugees and channel them to official registration centers where they can apply for asylum. “If their applications are refused,” BBC says, “they will now be returned to Serbia rather than being given passage through Hungary.”
Government spokesman Zoltan Kovacs says "official and legal ways to come to Hungary and therefore to the European Union remain open.”
“All we ask from all migrants [is] that they should comply with international and European law,” he added.
There’s a certain extent to which Hungary’s frustrations are understandable. For many refugees, the path to the German “promised land” goes through Hungary, and the means the flow of people is daunting.

That said, Kovacs’ comments seem to perhaps overstate the government’s desire to help asylum seekers enter and/or traverse the country legally. New laws that went into effect at midnight now permit police to arrest anyone who attempts to breach the razor wire fence. Damaging the fence is now punishable by imprisonment or deportation and mounted police have been deployed to the border. Here are the images:



Meanwhile, Prime Minister Viktor Orban's rhetoric suggests little tolerance for any meaningful demographic shift in Hungary. "Hungary is a country with a 1,000-year-old Christian culture. We Hungarians don't want the global-sized movement of people to change Hungary," Orban said on Monday. He also told border police that “illegal border crossings will no longer be misdemeanors but felonies punishable with prison terms or bans.” Showing his generous side, Orban did say police should treat the migrants like human beings. Additionally, the declaration of a state of emergency is likely to pave the way for the approval of a large military presence and as AP reports, Orban doesn't appear to have waited on Parliament:
Hungary on Tuesday declared a state of emergency in two of its southeastern counties in response to the migration crisis, a move that paves the way to deploy the army to the border with Serbia to stop the flow of migrants that has been entering the country.
Technically, parliament must still approve the deployment of the military. However, Associated Press reporters at the border have already spotted heavily armed military personnel with vehicles and dogs at the border in recent days.
But anyone sent to Serbia faces the terrifying possibility that they will be denied asylum there as well. Here's Reuters:
Serbia, an impoverished ex-Yugoslav republic years away from joining the EU, says it is readying more temporary accommodation, but warned it would not accept anyone turned back from Hungarian territory.
The United Nations refugee agency, UNHCR, reiterated on Tuesday that it advised against sending refugees back to Serbia. "Safe third country" status implies refugees have a fair chance of being granted asylum and would receive the necessary protections and support.
Rights groups say Serbia meets none of the criteria and is still finding homes for thousands of its own refugees from the collapse of Yugoslavia in the 1990s, the last time Europe confronted displacement of people on such a scale.
“That's no longer our responsibility,” Aleksandar Vulin, the minister in charge of policy on migrants, told the Tanjug state news agency. “They are on Hungarian territory and I expect the Hungarian state to behave accordingly towards them.”
So too, apparently, does Germany, where Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel looks to be reaching the end of his patience with some countries' perceived recalcitrance. "Germany can’t be there as the paymaster in Europe and everybody is around when they need money, but no one participates when responsibility must be taken. If this goes on then that’s the end of the current funding basis."
There was no consensus to be found on Tuesday on a plan to use a quota system proposed by Jeane Claude-Juncker last week to settle some 160,000 refugees - for now, only 40,000 will be relocated. Hungary was one of three countries in opposition. Echoing Gabriel, Germany's Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere suggested that Berlin may soon be forced to "exert pressure" on countries that refuse to cooperate.
As should be clear from the above, this has the potential to create a very dangerous situation in EU countries who oppose quotas but are pressured by Berline, Paris, and Brussels to comply. Where there are already elements of xenophobia in place, and where those feelings are being amplified and perpetuated by the government, the perception that Germany is forcing an unwanted demographic shift might well serve to fan the flames not only of nationalism but of religious intolerance, especially given the likelihood that those opposed to settling the migrants will be predisposed to stirring up fears of ISIS operatives slipping into Europe disguised as refugees.
And just as we said last week when we documented the construction of the anti-mirgrant fence in Hungary, "it's not clear whether 12 feet of razor wire will be enough to dissuade those who are fleeing from bullets, tanks, barrel bombs, and sword-weilding jihadists, meaning the question really isn't how to keep migrants out, but rather how to handle the situation once migrants get in." On that note, we'll close with the following account from Reuters:
Having spent the night in the open, families with small children sat in fields beneath a new 3.5-metre high fence running almost the length of the EU’s external border with Serbia, halted by a right-wing government that hailed a “new era”.
Others pressed against gates, confused and demanding passage. More still sat on the main highway from Serbia to Hungary. "I will sit here until they open the border. I cannot go back to Syria. Life in Syria is finished," said a Kurd from Syria who gave his name as Bower.
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Hungary is ahead of the game on this one. Austria is next with elections coming up.
One must consider if this result was the intent all along when the US intervention of Syria was begun. It has certainly dragged a reluctant Europe into the Middle East morass.
It is tempting to believe that our bankster elitists have everything scripted according to plan, but there are times when the minions fail, and the plans are ruined. This may be one of those instances.
If the intent is to control the bees when you poke the bee hive with a sharp stick, good luck. But if the intent is simply to rile them up and create chaos in order to shape social/political change.....Mission Accomplished.
Either way, long Razor Wire.
Imo,
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The intent is to create a Greater Israel...the 'promised land.'
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So, 'they' get rid of the trash and spread/flood it to the European countries that are already strained with problems.
- One stone, two birds.
@ BLOTTO,
Zionism, at its Pure Evil Criminal Psychopath finest.
LOL what will Merkel do about it.
Many countries will rather leave the EU than ruin their country for the global agenda. I the meantime the germans had about enough of this refugee bullshit. Angela Merkel better worry about her own neck instead!
In civilized societies when war or other calamities force masses to flee, the women and children go first. This is not what is happening here. This group of invaders consists of 75% MEN, 13% children and 12% women. Wake up, Europe!!! The rapes have begun and the war on European culture has commenced.
@ Team,
The Criminal fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. has been bombing the Middle East since 2001. Why all of a sudden the mass refugee immigration? And, most like you mentioned, young males? Armed, founded & CIA trained I would guess. Something to ponder.
The full details of the US war against ISIS have been revealed. The following graphic shows the full battle plan:
http://en.reseauinternational.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/02/la-...
At some point the refugee exodus becomes a full out invasion. Maybe reaching that point.
Hamburg is one of the destinations. Say, isn't that where muhammad atta became radicalized?
No mass.
Kapute ist.
Hungary is being set up by Germany to be the bad guy. Germany is profiting from an image of being friendly to "refugees". Germany, in the eyes of the world is presenting itself as a friend of humanity. Hungary, by being forced to close it's borders to the "human avalanche" is being presented by the mass media as the villain. Germany will profit most from this charade, by having Hungary doing the dirty work of having to deal with rejecting these would be immigrants at it's borders.
Germany in all of it's goodness could just send some cruise ships directly to Turkey and Libya to pick up the refugees and ship them directly to Germany. That however will not happen, why?
Germany loses patience...LOL...with their stop and go policy she is the initiator of the current mess. But don't worry, at the end Germany will pay for the "hot spot" centers planed at the EU's borders. So Greece will get a third (or is it fourth) disguised rescue package.
Those invaders are fleeing a UNHCR refugee camp!
http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e48e0fa7f.html
"Turkey - estimated to host over one million Syrians - has maintained an emergency response of a consistently high standard and declared a temporary protection regime "
If Germany or other countries wanted to help them, send moey to the UNHCR, if they wanted real refugees, call the UNHCR, select the most fragile ones and get them by plane!
This is a paid for invasion. (By whom??? Hmmm.... Must have deep pockets and a desire for Eretz Israel,I imagine)
Repost: Its called a pincer movement.
First the ZATO bombs various nations. Then, if that doesn't create enough turmoil, you finance the 'moderate' opposition (and arm them, duh). Lastly, you make sure the borders are wide open back home, and then, last step, you literally pay the 'migrants' to go there!
Just a quick note: The Camp of the Saints was a warning to the West, not a playbook for its destruction.
"Refugee Crises At Dangerous Tipping Point As Hungary Deploys Army, Germany Loses Patience"
or
germans and hungarians done with forced diversity, multiclturism, and enrichment fight back.
"Germany can’t be there as the paymaster in Europe and everybody is around when they need money, but no one participates when responsibility must be taken."
au contraire
"Why all of a sudden the mass refugee immigration? And, most like you mentioned, young males?"
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Over 6 million Syrian civilians have been 'on the move' for years now. They've fled to Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Turkey, Egypt in even greater numbers than those who have fled to the West.
Do some fucking reading before you spout such bullshit nonsense. You know nothing.
The MSM is always careful to pick out Syrian refugees for some reason, ignoring all others.
I thought this was primarily Syrian refugees as well, Ajax. It looks like this is not the case. In fact, it seems there's only a small portion that are Syrian. The young males are blowback from Afghanistan and Kosovo - I doubt they're even real refugees. Maybe they're setting up false flag to blame on Syria to justify a ZATO invasion with these paid thugs.
It's the thugs that are acting in an almost comical way purposely designed to infuriate anyone watching the video. Who would refuse free food and water? I didn't see ANY refugee families (men with women and children) refusing food or water in Hungary, just the gauntlet of ZATO paid actors keeping the Hungarian soldiers from reaching the real refugees and vice versa. Ask yourself this: if you were one of those Hungarian solders, how long would it take you to kick the shit out of the scrawny, unarmed thugs to get food and water to the women and children? You have to wonder if the Hungarian solders are in on the staged event, too. Like the Turk soldiers moving and posing the drowned child for the best photographic impact.
The occasional child that could get close to the Hungarian solders grabbed whatever they could and ran in fear. The families all seem to be cowering behind gangs of distinctly non-Syrian looking younger male hired bullies who were acting like assholes. If this is a staged 'river of refugees', then you know the U.S. has arranged thugs to insert into the crowd to promote violence and hate, and good 'Refugee hate-porn'.
Who knows what kind of false flag ZATO has planned now. I'm guessing "Ungrateful Syrian Refugee riots in the camps with lots of bloodshed and pictures of dead children." That would fit right in with the ZATO chickenhawks psychopathic mindset and somehow justify the planned invasion of Syria to declare some kind of stupid-assed 'safe zone'. Which is basically just Turkey annexing Syrian land to the north, and Israel annexing more Syrian land beyond the Golan.
I suppose a credible alternative was to create the refugee flood, then have the Macedonian mafia close the border there, leaving Greece to be overwhelmed with refugees who can't go any further. That would be a good way for the EU to punish Greece for not behaving. No better way to finish them off by CAUSING a massive influx of refugees. Greece has way more to fear than Germany, and Turkey would jump at the chance to kill off Greece once and for all.
Afghan-Kosovo Mafia Migrant Smuggling Ring and More Refugee Chaos in Macedonia
It just pisses me of that this is really starting to smell of ZATO clownfuckery. I wonder if any of it is real?
Jesus... Nothing at all manufactured about THIS crisis:
France’s honorary consul in Turkey quits after selling rubber dinghies to refugees
I wonder how much money she made sending refugees to their death? Hey - all in a day's work for another ZATO stooge. She's doing God's work there, yes sir!
In Sweden in Mid September, Two Arab migrants, in the country only two weeks, grabbed a Swedish girl and raped her repeatedly. The Migrants were staying in a Swedish shelter at the time. I read about this not in Sweden's News papers, but in an alternative Swedish Online Paper. Yes, Sweden covers up the Black and Brown on white rape crisis in Sweden. Rape is at incredible levels for a tiny peaceful nation, and migrants do most of it.
P.S. Fuck you Swedish Main Stream News Papers. I don't read you anymore!
In who's image?...
Yeah we've been there and done that... Haven't we?
Plenty of shit to throw around Jack but unfortunately the guy who raped that Swedish girl has probably seen it done to his own family by American, and British "support" or he works for ISIS!
Wouldn't it be awful that the Swedish girl got raped by one of our "proxies"?!!!
"This group of invaders consists of 75% MEN"
Most of whom are eligible for the draft, or have been recalled after already serving their mandatory term.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Armed_Forces
The reality is, if you're a new conscript or are recalled and don't have the right connections, you go straight to a combat unit fighting a vicious enemy that takes no prisoners.
so...
1. Put your life on the line for Assad and his clan.
2. bug out to the EU.
Pretty obvious isn't it?
and....
"In civilized societies when war or other calamities force masses to flee, the women and children go first."
Not necessarily. If the way out isn't safe, the men go first. Look at those boats. You gonna take your family on one of those leaky tubs when you've already seen in the news what can happen? Get your family to a safe location inside Syria, get yourself the hell out by boat or whatever means, then send them a plane or ferry ticket once you've made it through.
A little sympathy is in order here. These people are feeling an enemy the western powers created. Absent their agenda (whatever it may be) none of this would be happening.
Bullshit.. what's prohibiting whole family from taking a plane or ferry right on?
Isn't it more probable that those big screen smartphones waving, adidas and nike clothed, well fed men are just economic migrants, getting asylum (must be the Germany of course, nobody wants to stay in Slovakia, Hungary, Czech Republic) and then bringing his whole family after?
Why is that, that every "refugee" from Kosovo, Algeria or Afganistan is suddenly "Syrian"? Seems to me it's simply a new fashion... To me it seems a very small percentage coming these days to europe are real refugees, running for their very lives.
The rest is just coming for free healthcare, free schools and free lunch (that's what they're told, believe it or not, because the west "owes" them, and it does, but this just isn't the way to go about it..).
dup.
This is an orchestrated movement comprised largely of not only men, but men who are properly clothed, fed, and have money in their pockets.
Why now? Why these great numbers. Oh, yeah, it's that war in Syria. BS.
The 44million Muslims who have already been admitted to Western Europe are now being joined by the Jihadists. It's like adding the primer to the propellant.
good analogy.
CD, it seems my earlier reply disappeared into the ether.
The USSA, Israel, Quatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey etc have been trying to remove Assad from Syria for 4.5 years via ISIS, failing to date. Putin's support of Syria will likely keep him in power, pending the next syrian election, conveniently held off due to the civil war. Civil wars are a great way to centralize power and entrench a president.
So it is not clear to me how the USSA and stooges benefit. I'll bet the original plan was to offer Assad's soldiers asylum in the EU to weaken his army, but the flood of refugees from other nations make it much more difficult to execute. Typically, our elitists like to maintain a low profile when trying to screw us, except for false flags.
To me, other than creating the standard chaos typical of the USSA, I think the jury is still out.
I had a friend from Syria growing up, whose parents/uncles/etc provided detailed explanation of US interference in Syria and Lebanon's politics since before 1996! And then there is of course 'The Promised Land' over there...
Tomas Prouza, the Czech State Secretary for the EU, said the apparent German threat to cut off EU funds was "empty but very damaging to all". Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico said his country would never agree to quotas, and threats of financial retaliation would lead to "the end of the EU".
Chancellor Angela Merkel later appealed for unity and distanced herself from the threats: "I think we need to establish a European spirit again," she told a news conference. "I don't think threats are the right way to achieve agreement."
http://news.yahoo.com/border-free-europe-unravels-migrant-crisis-hits-re...
So the Krauts backed down when they realized that their huge EU protected market would get a lot smaller with 'end of EU'
Perfect then with a sputtering economy how will the Germans feed the muzlim free loaders, who will then in anger burn down all of Germany and make it look like Dresden. Not to mention Vienna which they have managed to invade, something they could not do in the 1600s.
Germans elected Merkel, let them enjoy the Halalfest every month of the year now. You cant fix stupid, but you can rape, assualt, and steal from it all you want.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09/horror-muslim-migrant-in-europe-...
We dont want this German in EU in Eastern Europe !!!
USA is destorying all secular Arab states in order to free Israel to be the regions sole super power. Greater Israel is being built, it will grow under the cover of US wars against all Arab nations that used to have real armies capable of fighting Israel.
I'd like to introduce you to 2 nations in the region, Saudi Arabia and Iran, both of which are pretty damn powerful. One even is well stocked with our arms. Your comment is absurd and oyu need to get your head out of your ass.
Iran and SA do not lie between the Nile and Euphrates which is the area ultimately intended for occupation.
to put this into some kind of perspective.
At that single crossing in one day there were nearly as many people crossing as the US is planning to take in a whole year.
Obama aka USSA is paying Minnesota Somali muslims to not murder (white) people.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/15/u-s-federal-government-pr...
That is beyond disturbing but the comic relief at the end is classic:
"That moment when you realize the ISIS commander with the Hello Kitty notebook might not be the flakiest terrorist in the granola….."
'get rid of the trash'.....? So you mean they're gonna kick themselves out? That seems a weird plan to me!
Dumbo drop the refugees on Israel. Now!
I love Razor Wire, I shave with that shit.
Proud to be Hungarian.
Make no mistake, we feel sorry for the refugees but the fact is that we don't like the way they behave and all the shit that's coming with them. Hungary survived the Turks so we will survive this shit to. If Germany wants them be our guest and take them. if they have to register, then let Greek register them. If Hungary offer them to be registered and the illegal tresspassers don't want to, our prime minister is not going to enforce them. Now we built a fence. Whatever Hungary did was wrong, and this while we kept the rules imposed by the EU, see Shengen and Dublin agreement. If they put the refugees here, make no mistake just check the Yougoslavian war, same shit will happen here to. It's just a matter of time. I guess EU don't want that but Hungarians are like that. if you come here you have to learn the language, work for money and follow the rules. if not, then fuck off.
Your country owes these migrants nothing. Too bad the rest of Europe hasn't pulled their head out of their ass before their cultures are relegated to minority status on their own land.
Imagine how peaceful Eurasia (and the ME too for that matter) would be if the US stayed out and minded its own business.
The petrodollar system, with its inherent control factor and need to displace "radical" regimes for not wanting to be controlled, is the root of the problem. So sad that people flee and the US prez goes on TV talking about "humanitarian efforts" when .GOV itself is the sole cause of those problems.
The biggest lie ever told is the petrodollar. Its very existence requires chaos, displacement, wars, and anarchy. You cannot control people unless you destabilize them. You cannot pass the Patriot Act unless you fly planes into buildings.
So much wrong with the US its just sickening.
hungarianboy--- you are completely wrong. if a country joined the eu, then they have to abide by the rules ...period. if unelected eu officials say you have to eat shit, then you have to eat shit. what is the point of being a union if you dont folllow the rules? countries joined the eu for the freebies and now they are getting slammed....welcome to reality...slaves.
The German Government are the ones breaking the rules just like they did originally when they wanted to run a budget deficit in excess of 3%. Schenger and Dublin Convention are two agreements that spring to mind in this case.
All EU countries are bound by the Dublin Convention, which obliges them to return asylum seekers to the country where they entered the EU – which would be Greece or Italy.
The EU loves to sanction and demonize member states which break their rules, but here turning a blind eye – obviously for a reason.
When the European Commission itself doesn't abide by the rules, then there is no moral imperative to hold over Hungary's head.
Your comment reminds me of U.S. banks imploring individuals to avoid strategic defaults on their mortgages because... you know.. it's, like, wrong not to hold up your end of an agreement.
My Hungarian friends are flipping out over all of the economic migrants/cultural skirmishers. I wish the Rendorseg the best of luck in dealing with all of them, but I do wish they'd just get to brass tacks and start putting heads on pikes along the border. These "refugees" don't understand humane behavior. They've come like a plague of locusts to strip clean wherever they land of resources. They'll never integrate.
When I lived in Budapest in the early 90's, you just didn't fuck with the Rendorseg.
It's the pockyclips cog, it's all been profitsized.
Must be the staff at HuffPo reading zh again and downvoting everyone.
I think my sense of humor is just plain offensive to some. ;-)
Plus the Russian trolls are thick on the ground.
Russian trolls?
Put down the crack pipe.
It's just us silly Americans who see through the bullshit of the West's propaganda.
I was scared of the Russian bogeyman as a kid too.
Then I grew up.
The Red Menace! Domino theory!
Like the blood escaping out of the elevator, in Kubrick's The Shining! The whole world will be washed over with Communism if we don't extend the Empire, I mean, make Vietnam safe for democracy!
Duck and cover.
Well I spent my childhood behind the Iron Curtain and find it funny how scared the Americans were of the big bad Russians. All these nuclear attack drills for the children. I cannot say what the Soviet children did but we certainly were not afraid of a war breaking out.
Europe had just been through a war that devastated the continent and the big bad Russians had also taken major damage - in infrastructure, industry and people.
They certainly were not looking for another war and neither did the Warsaw Pact nations.
When I came to the US and heard a teacher described life back in Eastern Europe, it was not even remotely real.
Kids in American school certainly got more indoctrination that kids in Eastern Europe. There was no such thing as a pledge of allegiance and school did not resemble prisons.
Elementary school was an open campus and we roamed around the neighborhood at lunch time or between scheduled classes. No such thing as study hall. If you had no class for 2 hours that time was yours. Only restriction I remember is that 1 thru 4th grade kids could not go off school grounds.
That sure beat jumping the fence as a senior in high school so that I could get a pizza.
Again, Catdog ---duck and cover.
Bunghole - There's been so much licking of Putin's anus on ZH in the last 12 - 24 months, that the odds of your assertion being true are fairly slim.
If you grew up at all you wouldn't be so keen to hump putin's leg all the time, you'd realize both sides are as demented as each other. Clamoring to support another bunch of tyrannical arseholes is not an indication of maturity. ;-)
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yeah for fanboys everyone is a russian troll when their tiny world of west military superiority ends. Thick mind like you can't get it perhaps.
He's pissed that his Abbott guy got kicked out of power after trying to "shirtfront" Putin... that also explains his Russian troll obsession. /s
Why would I care about something like that? I didn't vote for him nor anyone else. I'm not a partisan. I don't accept the validity of any side or any controller of what I think, or any person as a 'Leader'. They can say whatever they want, I remain indifferent to the noise. It is not important at all to me, but I do monitor it.
Abbott is not important, and Putin is not important. They are both transient irrelevant noise-makers.
Same-Same
Clearly you don't see it that way, so continually bum-sniff for a new political messiah, as the most recent ones you sniffed had their curtains pulled back, and you then feel the urge and false needed to find a new political bum to sniff and declare the sort of butts you like.
Whatever, I don't care about your political butt sniffing fetish and favorites. :D
That to me that is a completely self-defeating idiotic mentality.
The only thing I object to are the arseholes among you morons who wish to vandalize the minds of other people with your partisan fabricated lies, fantasies, spinning and general swilling of horseshit with the aim to undermine human beings.
That is the only thing I care about, so I keep things direct and factual, and I call a troll or a liar or a fabrication or figment exactly what it is, and demonstrate the fact of that for others to see it for themselves. And I'll continue to do that to every arsehole from any and every warped polarized 'side'.
You are all the same, not one of you is any different at all, your assertion that you are is 100% false, you are all morons and up to no good. None of you are the slightest bit interested in the best interests of human beings, you are all pretending in that regard, and the pretensions are pitiful and laughable.
I won't be stopping for any liars morons and trolls seeking to damage human being's minds and capacity to be free of your various twisted malevolent types, and intents. You are deceived yourselves, and that is your whole problem, but you still have no right to seek to deceive others, without challenge, or being called-out and exposed for what you all are - no matter what political butts you prefer to sniff. ;-)
Maxi, Maxi, Maxi ... how do I break this to you? ... there's no easy way.
Maxi, ... you are in fact ... a Russian troll!
Just who the hell do you think you're kidding! lol :D
Barbara Spectre's plans are unfolding--Europe will not be the little monolithic societies of the past, they have not yet learned how to be multicultural, so they will have to be transformed or they will not survive. How did a Bolshevik troublemaker like her gain knowledge of Europe's future blueprint?
What did she mean by "survive?" It's like she inverted her statement--what she really meant is that Europe as we know it will be destroyed. Europe was settled by the Romans and has survived for two thousand years before ignorant gulpins like her started turning things upside down. It's like a nuisance guest sponging on your generosity and worming her way into the extra room, and then trying to redecorate your house by burning it and starting all over the way she thinks it should have been done. Then when it's time to account she's gone, probably sponging on the people across town.
How does she know the future NWO plans for the destruction of Europe? Why are parasites like her living in Europe if they hate it so much? These people are nomadic psychopaths with no loyalty and should not be allowed to dictate national policy. If things get really violent in Sweden she can always high tail it back to the US or Israel, and leave the Swedes to clean up the mess. They are idiots not to charge her with some kind of subversion.
Someone needs to do that psycho bitch a favour.
"My greatest flaw. I surround myself with idiots."
- Victor von Doom
That's what I think the plan is; chaos itself. The US is separated from it by a lot of water. But the goal is control of Eurasia, or to at least make sure nobody can control Eurasia. All 3 global rivals to US Empire are on Eurasia; Russia, China, and the EU. The Middle East isn't just where there's lots of oil. It's also at the pivot point between Asia, Europe, and Africa. If there's a red-hot dumpster fire across the ME, and refugees fanning out in all directions, it creates urgent, pressing problems for all our rivals; either refugees, or disruption of trade and energy resource supplies.
The diabolical beauty of it is that "winning" and "losing" don't matter. All that matters is that peace never break out.
Why all those migrants NOW ? Why not a year ago ? Makes u wonder about the whole thing is set up
look how the route the immigrants take interferes with some of the Chineese New Silk Road plans (http://windowstorussia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/iron_silk_road.jpg). it also sets Poland and Germany on two opposite views on the issue. backbone of the european part of the Silk Road is Germany-Poland-Belarus-Russia. Russia is already isolated. Poland and Germany are set against each other. US already sabotaged Ukrainian part of the Silk Road connecting Donbas and Kiev.
In fact the "silent majority" in Germany are against more immigration but they're not going out waving flags & protesting.
If that is the case then next election there should be a big swing the other way.
The people need to start using another word - deportation!
I think Merkel deliberately triggered this current intermediate refugee crisis, over the backs of the people that will now get trapped halfway. The idea is they cause suffering which they can then use to sell even more traitorous policies.
The jewish zionist socialist and international industrialist goal is to destroy the german and other european white peoples and cultures, so they can be managed and milked more easily by them, by pitting them agaisnt the masses of wandering baseless foreigners, that will never ever feel at home in these regions, and that live at the expense of the natives.
The german government has made deals with jewish internationalist run facebook to block any dissent that exposes this via censorship in the name of "xenophobia and hate of foreigners".
I'm not afraid of them nor do I hate them, they should just stay in their own countries, these are white european lands, we prefer not to have you here, go away. More explanation is not needed.
Good friend of mine (German guy) who is very outspoken against the invasion -- Facebook just deleted his account.
Zuckerberg supports invasion. My friend always said a certain group profit$$ from Chaos.
The same people who tax everyone to insure all food is kosher approved. Check your labels on everything.
Ha, he thought he could use Facebook for good? What else does he do in his spare time, edit Wikipedia articles (whose changes immediately get reverted)?
"Germany can’t be there as the paymaster in Europe and everybody is around when they need money, but no one participates when responsibility must be taken. If this goes on then that’s the end of the current funding basis."
I've got news for you idiots: THAT IS THE END of more than just 'the current funding basis' which was nothing more than promises of other people's money and access to other people's and nation's wealth and facilities, etc.
You made promises, as usual, with other people's property.
Theft. Theft where the thieves addd insult to injury by shaming the people they are fleecing for protesting the theft!
Merkel and the Neo-Socialist Progressives welcomed this and gave demeaning lectures on 'responsibility'.
It is Merkel and her cronies who spoke up in the first place that are responsible.
Throw Merkel and her thieving cronies out along with the illegals they tried to shove up your ass at your expense.
the ussa is simply preparing for the day when it will lose its european colonies.
check out what brits did before leaving india. creating strife and conflicts, preferably religious and cultural ones, and then maintain influence by playing the role of a balancer.
the ussa is simply preparing for the day when it will lose its european colonies.
check out what brits did before leaving india. creating strife and conflicts, preferably religious and cultural ones, and then maintain influence by playing the role of a balancer.
Hungary: The only white country in the world who gives a shit about white people.
We Christians ain't very smart. Anyone think the Israel's are depopulating their area while they take down ours??
FUCK YOU.
#goyimlivesmatter
https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Auyvj4VfC3GfR0JEShIQ_tObvZx4?p=isra...
christianity is also a desert religion that doesn't belong in europa, it's as alien as judaism or islam to white europeans and white european americans.
#CrackerLivesMatter
#ChristianLivesMatter
Does it fuck with you that all these brown people flock to areas where racist crackers built and live? Why are they not immigrating east over to India? Our Pakistan? Burma? Really perplexing, whites are so evil yet every one wants to live by us?
You may have noticed the difference of distribution of bombs in the white vs not-so-white countries.
Cracker ass crackers just keep setting fires and then complaining about all the heat. Lulz.
Doesn't address the point, these people can go where they want, Africa is closer and warmer, as is South Asia, but these immigrants chose to live in a place that is brutally cold in the winter and full of racist whites that bomb them in there time off? Doesn't add up does it?
Edit. Personal antidote.. I got lots of pussy in Thailand cuz the Thai lady's saw it as a there ticket to live in racist cracker land. So in Thailand a country largely spared from the western imperialism, bitches will take it up the ass for the slimiest chance to live with Racist White Crackers. Blow's the mind more then my cock was blown.
People's lives doesn't have a matter to you and other "for greater humanity" scumbags. Deal with it.
How many of these "people's" smiled, or danced in the streets when the towers fell?
I remember lots of "celebrations" from these "people's"...paybacks are a bitch..
I was in an electronics store, watching the towers fall with a dozen other people...and the first thing I said is that we're really going to fuckup whomever was responsible for this...the USA is one fucking violent bunch of folks...we can be somewhat civil, but if you give us reason, we'll, literally, nuke your fucking ass..
Looks like you were right, because we are certainly fucking ourselves up.
"we're really going to fuckup whomever was responsible for this"
Correction:
"we're really going to fuckup whomever we say was responsible for this; whether they actually were or not"
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"This is not a war on Islam"
No, it's not...it's a war on people that subscribe to the Ismalic religion...lol...I'm sure Bill Clinton was impressed with that political statement.
Up-voted ya for your correction. I knew you weren't that stupid.
Oh, go back to playing COD you fucking childish keyboard commando.
You want to fuck with the people responsible for 9-11?
Go visit AIPAC or PNAC headquarters and start you jihad.
And upon your death, 27 Pamela Gellar's will await you in heaven.
Someone posted a link to one of those "9/11" videos and it had the "overheard" question to Cheney; "Does the order still stand".
I'm no Cheney lover, but MAYBE the order was to NOT SHOOT DOWN A CIVILIAN AIRLINER until it posed a known threat to a known target?
If I was him, I would not shoot it down first, and then try to explain later...Russians have proven that to be a bad "public image" strategy.
"If I was him, I would not shoot it down first, and then try to explain later...Russians have proven that to be a bad "public image" strategy."
If I was him, I would not shoot it down first, and then try to explain later...Mossad proxy Ukranians have proven that to be a bad "public image" strategy.
- Fixed it for ya.
"My greatest flaw. I surround myself with idiots."
- Victor von Doom
Oh Jees,
You also believe Russia shot down MH-17?
Put down the MSM crack pipe and do us all a favor and dont reproduce.
Firebrander: officially branded as a fuckin idiot
you really ate up that all that jingoist propoganda didn't ya?
Someone's gonna get it.
It doesn't matter much who...
But you can bet they were already on a list.
Saddam Hussain will tell you that.
Oh, that's right... He can't. That cease fire with Iran?
Hint: Nobody likes a quitter.
The first thing I said is "this is fake, plane goes through building like hot knife through butter wings don't break up"
duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ever been to Hungary? It's descendants are from a displaced Asian tribe. Does that make them white?
I have been to Hungary. I have done business with Hungary.
They look pretty white to me.
Don't forget Poland!
Perhaps. But to believe so you'd have to have completely forgotten Nuland's "fuck the EU" comment.
Because that is what is happening to the EU right now. It is getting royally fucked.
And other side of the Eurasia on the way to shitdump. Pretty sad I must to admit.
This ends in war.
Anyone old enough, or sharp on history will remember the US moved 600000 refugees from North Vietnam to South Vietnam, with only the clothes on their back - Saigon Military Mission. The poor unfamiliar refugees did not fare well into the culture, seeking food and shelter was problematic. Eventually chaos ensued, then hostility then war. Then came Bronson (the USofA).
Learn history or be doomed to repeat it.
Fuck the EU
Now you can dance to Vicky Nulands latest tune, fuck the EU!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6PVmhkDIDg&list=LLVDO3dI4RbXyNJEGWS_blD...
Whenever I read your comments, I find I get a strange craving for milk.
You're not the only one! ;)
;-)
"The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to United States President Barack Obama for his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between people""
Is there a process for taking back the prize?
The 15 year Bush/Obama combo has really fucked over the EU...and Obama still has a year to go...and his, current, most likely replacement, Trump, sees the solution to every problem in the region to be more war...Europe will not survive 24 years of war mongering US Presidents...
Fun Fact:
70 years earlier, Adolph Hitler was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.
The Head of the Committee that awarded him the prize was recently forced to resign, if that's any consolation.
This is not a forum where things happen on there own. Everything from sun up to sun up is CIA planed. This IS ZH after all.
Their fingerprints are on it whether directly or tangentially. They have mucked with world affairs so much, for so long that the repercussions
aren't always apparent. The 1953 overthrow of Mossadegh, for instance, has rippled through time like a fractal, chaos theory, butterfly fart and
now we don't know what all the ramifications are. Unknown, Unknowns out the wazoo.
The bumbling nitwits at CIA could only dream of having the successes that people attribute to them.
For example, Kermit Roosevelt's fake communist riots to oust Mossedegh failed to rally the public, but the next day, real communist sympathizers who felt Mossedegh was too liberal, stormed the Parliament and arrested him.
The CIA happened to be quick to capitalized on this event and bribed the Army Generals to endorse the terrified and reluctant Shah Palavi, who was rushed to Iran to take control.
This Hail Mary play was hardly the rousing success that CIA lore later claimed it to be according to the well annotated 'Legacy of Ashes' by Tim Weiner.
Keystone Kops Imperialism.
http://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Ashes-The-History-CIA/dp/0307389006
It would probably serve their purposes if everyone thought them bumbling idiots.
Why?
It doesn't change facts on the ground. In any case, toppling Gaddafi, situation in Turkey and to a lesser extent in Italy and Greece has a lot more to do with it than some f16's blowing up Toyota hiluxes in a remote desert.
Not just the Middle East but their evil zio-State Dept crap in the Ukraine. Why can't millions of poor Ukrianians rush to Germany, France, Sweden. They are Christians and supposedly Europeans. Zato has told them they are Euro+PEONs.
Let 5 million Ukranians come to Germany for the good life. I bet Azov even knows the Horst Weisel song.
Oh and the nazis and Hitler were a creation of the banksters and USA and European industrialists. WW2 - another bank$ter war.
I like you.
Interesting spin, Freddie. The EU will accept muslim refugees, but not Ukies.
Interesting spin, Freddie. The EU will accept muslim refugees, but not Ukies.
Not yet at any rate?... And anyway the Eastern Ukrainians haven't "suffered as much" as the countries the U.S. England and Israel have obliterated in the last 14 years... You have to go way beyond 50,000 dead to be in the mile high body and displacement count that the U.S. keeps setting in that part of the World.
I see a number of false flags coming Germany's way with or without the "Ukies" populating Berlin, Munich and Stuttgart simply because they are not sacrificing enough to the cabal...
My advice to you Germans? Throw the fucking U.S. military, IC aparatus and the dip corps that comes with it out of your Country before it's too late!
I give credit to many hapless poor Ukrainian men who were forced into the military by a draft with a threat of prison or worse. All by the Zoligarchs in Kiev and ZATO.
They had those Azov nazis behind them in case they tried to flee. Thank goodness they had the sense to surrender and thank God the Eastern Ukrainians/NovoRussians/Zakarchenk treated them better than Kiev treated them. Most Ukrainian men wanted no part of Nudelman/Soros/Zio-State Dept mass murder of innocent Christians in the Ukraine.
Now it is time that 5 million Christian Ukrainains come to Germany, France, Sweden, Austria, UK, Spain, Italy and America. ZATO told them they are Europeans. They have a right to the European "good life." Like hapless Germans paying insane taxes for theior banksters bailouts. How many times do the Germans get r*ped? Reparations, Reunification, Greece theft by banksters and now the muzzie invasion.
Oh - the Ukrainains can forget about coming to Europe as they are Christians. Nevermind.
Meanwhile back in Minnesota - Obola regime is paying Somalis not to murder white people in Minnesota....just yet. Save that for later.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/15/u-s-federal-government-pr...
White South Africans who are being murdered at a terrifying rate are treated like pariahs in Europe.
Interested. Any supporting documentation?
"My greatest flaw. I surround myself with idiots."
- Victor von Doom
I like Freddie's film reviews.
The sooner the Europeans divorce NATO the better.
Too late, there is nothing to divorce. Western Europe and North America are the same big white stupid blob. Thinking has left the building.
It's never too late. Might just be time to start scouting out a new Capitoline Hill is all.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
"My greatest flaw. I surround myself with idiots."
- Victor von Doom
No one in the Obumnuts admiistration is sharp enough to hatch such a plot.
@cog dis
Really? Our masters have total control? Don't be (I was going to say 'stupid' but decided to be nice) silly.
CD, I'm not sure any of the EU butt clown express is competent enough to run a conspiracy. Now a cluster fuck is a different story......
The Germans need to call for elections dn also put Zio-Merkel on trial and bring out the guillotines. Put all the European politicians and newspapers pushing open borders on trial for treason.
Send these people home or bus them all to Brussels or send them to Riyad, Ankara, Qatar or Tel Aviv.
Germany needs new elections. It won't get them until there is an economic collapse here. Germans don't deal well with societal-poverty.
Wait til Germans cannot afford vacations, a new BMW every 4 years and endless other things. Elections now and arrest Merkel.
Jesus how long has Atilla the Hag been in power now?? Fuck me ......
When are the new election planned anyway?
it's unfuckingbelievable to me that people in the west are so complacent. have the men in the US and europe become so effeminate? in the US men go into a pain killer, NFL, GMO, flouride induced coma. in europe it comes from some inherent guilt and stupid liberal ideology. can they not see their countries being destroyed before their very eyes? will there ever be a straw that breaks the camel's back or are we destined to slide into oblivion. i can't speak for europe but in the US it's all tough talk aimed at "those freedom hating muslims" but when it involves the IRS, MIC, TSA, DHS, or any number of govt entities ramming them in the ass on a daily basis while exporting their jobs and importing slave labor, there is no action. god damn, it makes me furious. I've seen a lot of people on here talk about staying in the US, building a bunker, and riding this out, but to me it seems like the spirit of liberty, which is really what made our country great, is dead and gone. better to try to find people with morals and work ethic abroad and start over.
edit: i realize that i am, myself, ranting on a computer screen and taking no direct physical action. as im sure many of you here have experienced, any attempt at even discussing these things with my peers and family gets me labeled a terrorist. i dont see any way to make progress. my most revolutionary acts were leaving the country and stacking as much as i possibly can.
I =n the mean time something for you to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zimFdbGo2uc
"can they not see their countries being destroyed before their very eyes"
They turn on their phone...it works.
They turn on the TV...it works.
They turn on the gaming consol...it works.
They update/check FaceBook...it works.
They hand their prescription to the pharmacist...it gets filled.
They cash their pay/welfare/disability check....it clears.
Medicaid pays 100%, Medicare pays 80%, of their medical bills...all is well.
They see "no problem" personally, so what you see, and the "solution" you are proposing, would disrupt thier "satisfactory" life...makes you are a terrorist...
"seeing it" and revolution only come when the majority is experiencing pain that is too great to bear...then they find a scapegoat and Bar-B-Que them.
Yeah and that revolution is going to come sooner and not later. Because thinking nothing changes, and everything goes well, and we'll live in a happy no war kind of world, where the market always profits and doesn't go tits up is pretty damn naive at best.
10% of the population can easily cause an event leading to revolution, and 1-3% of the population can sustain a movement which severely pressures the state over time, effectively changing the culture of the nation and preparing it for revolution.
Look at the Spanish Revolution where anarchists fought for years, took out politicians, and took over towns. Eventually this activity led to the revolution.
The Western Europe and American cultures are isolationist and focused on escapism, and now when there is nowhere else to flee to it becomes cynicism. But just think what America would look like if 10% of the population marched in the streets, started trashing banks, stopped paying taxes and working. 20-30 million people would look like a revolution. The vast majority of 80% middle class and working class idiocrats would do nothing, as they always do They are basically just part of the environment and have no actual force in the system apart from momentum. Shifting that momentum is what matters.
The other 10% of the population would be a mix of the wealthy, scared elites, criminal groups, political opposition groups, and the military. This would strike fear into all of these groups, show the liberals and racial groups they will not control the situation, and show how much power people actually have. Things could get ugly quickly, but it would be a show of the momentum of an opposition movement. There were two chances for this to happen in the past 15 years, but no one joined up. They were complacent and cynical, so we are left with cynicism, and isolated individuals, random attacks and racial riots. It will be hard to get that momentum back now.
Yep. People are way too content for anything to move. And when they are no longer content, is when the red flags and brown shirts come out. So when they move it's in the wrong direction.
America's exceptionalist vision of the future is pretty ridiculous, but it is a vision. Europe (politically, culturally, left, right, young, old) doesn't have any. Whatever is gonna play out, expect Europe to only react (too little and too late). Only when the eu superstructure crumbles further will you see any positive change.
I, cynically, have resigned myself to our fate being sealed. We are so completely ensnared and subject to parasitical predation,
that our only hope resides in the host's demise. Then the parasites can gravitate to the next up and comer; Chinese anyone?
or maybe a curry dish? Is that fare kosher? Hot dogs and apple pie will eventually run out, then we can rebuild. I'll probably
be gone in one sense or another, but it will come, like dawn or the spring. If the pyramid's eye will affix another in its stare,
maybe we can slip the yoke.
You are completely right, and hit the nail on the head. I live in the Netherlands, and i would give you the friendly advice that you stay put in the US, when things go wrong that is still the best place to be at. My brother is in Kentucky, and i found the people there extremely helpful and true to their heart. So either with a full economy collapse world wide, or a war. Or even a clash of civilizations, you are always better off with people that can stick together and have each others back, then what you have in Europe, because we have some multi culti and govermental issues, among other things. I do see Germany and the Netherlands, falling apart, and having civil war, Spain.. maybe.. they got some unsettled issues with Catalonia. Anyways, my opinion of what made the United States so great was the work ethic, morals, and the sense of duty to one's fellow man(or woman) aka, it wasn't goverment before the people, it was people before the goverment. Also the US was very big producer nation, not a consumer and debt-o-holic like now, but after that gold illegal thing, i think that pretty much changed with the federal reserve. Anyways thats just my two cents on it all, i can understand, i hope, your frustration.
"Send these people home or bus them all to Brussels or send them to Riyad, Ankara, Qatar or Tel Aviv."
Hang all the politicians at Brussels and send these people to Riayd, Ankara, Qatar or Tel Aviv
- There, fixed it for ya.
"My greatest flaw. I surround myself with idiots."
- Victor von Doom
Rent out huge passenger cruise lines, treat them to a nice meal, and take them all back home (forcefully, if necessary). Thanks for the visit, hope you enjoyed your stay.
Strange how the Moslem-majority country to the west of Serbia is so quiet. Are they accepting refugees?
Only the girls and young women, because they can mule heroin across the Adriatic and fetch a good price upon arriving in Italy