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The Unstoppable Trump Juggernaut: How The GOP Establishment Hopes To Crush The Donald's Presidential Run
Over the past three months the scariest chart for the GOP establishment has only gotten scarier. We refer, of course, to the one below which compiles all the latest opinion polls on the Republican national primary and specifically the meteoric rise of its frontrunner: Donald Trump.
And while initial denial by virtually everyone, especially the so-called pundits none of whom anticipated Trump's unprecedented surge in the polls, turned slowly into much publicized anger, now comes the bargaining phase, and as Bloomberg political commentator Mark Halperin who admits spending "about 60 percent of my waking hours talking about Donald Trump" explores, the panicked GOP establishment is now scrambling to find ways to "stop" the Trump Juggernaut.
According to him, the core GOP and especially his republicans contenders, may attack Trump through four possible frames:
- Trump can’t be trusted because he is an egomaniac with a bad character.
- Trump is a liberal and unprincipled.
- Trump is not close to being fit to be a serious president or commander-in-chief.
- Trump is a politician, not a businessman/outsider.
On the strategy of Trump's GOP rivals:
"There is by no means consensus on which of these frames will work or how to flesh them out. One school of thought, according to my reporting, is to go with an amalgamation of 'deals and females,' on the theory that those are Trump's twin vices and the opposition could use those issues to at least pry away some parts of his current coalition and bring his poll numbers down closer to the pack. The hope is that should Trump's numbers go lower, he will get rattled, his aura of invincibility will dissipate, and his mojo will be disrupted."
On a potential timetable:
"... Barring some major unforeseen development, most Republican strategists now are resigned to deferring a climactic attempt to kill Trump until the field winnows down next spring. This scenario, of course, ignores the prospect that Trump could rack up so many victories in the meantime that his momentum would be difficult, or impossible, to stop."
On Trump’s advantage:
"In the modern era, the Republican nomination has been won by the combatant who is best at playing a game of kill-or-be-killed. In the end, becoming the standard bearer has not been about the daily polls, the staff hires, the policy speeches, the fundraising, the cattle calls, the promised agenda. It’s been about having the skill and confidence to stamp out anyone who threatens you.
However, none of this may apply: as Bloomberg observes, "with Trump, the rules have changed. So far, he has proven to be largely immune from attack, and also a master killer himself, with a unique political arsenal. With a few months to go before voters vote, Trump has squashed the poll numbers and personas of a host of his rivals, without resorting to significant traditional opposition research, paid media, or surrogates. He simply uses Instagram, Twitter, and his virtually unlimited access to the news media to unsheathe his sharp tongue, cutthroat sensibility, and unerring perverse humor. And Trump can shift to kill mode without strain or hesitation.
In fact, if anything Trump is rapidly schooling everyone, the media, his opponents, and the punditry, how presidential elections in the New Normal should be run:
When media outlets and pundits exclaim that he’s gone too far, Trump is never sorry, never accepts any blame. Unlike other candidates caught in the Internet glare of controversy, Trump doesn’t do the deer-in-the-headlight cringe, nor does he apologize. When asked about his favorite Bible verses or challenged on his remarks about debate moderator Megyn Kelly and rival candidate Carly Fiorina, Trump hasn’t flinched, even when giving answers that some listeners find incredible. When he becomes aware he has stepped over the line (sometimes thanks to the counsel of his daughter, Ivanka), he knows how to minimize the damage by bluffing his way out the other side. And his capacity to generate news coverage and controversy gives him an unprecedented ability to change the subject and turn the page if he missteps.
As a result, "barring some major unforeseen development, most Republican strategists now are resigned to deferring a climactic attempt to kill Trump until the field winnows down next spring. This scenario, of course, ignores the prospect that Trump could rack up so many victories in the meantime that his momentum would be difficult, or impossible, to stop. But Trump’s adversaries are hoping that his power will wane when the entertainment portion of the contest ends and voters are ready to pick a president."
Bloomberg's conclusion:
Can Trump be killed? The history of past nomination fights suggest he can be. The untraditional front-runners of the summer silly season have always swiftly fallen to the back of the pack—or out of the race altogether—in the fall. But we are in uncharted territory now, with a canny celebrity front-runner who combines an unprecedented and nearly unlimited access to both social and traditional media with a completely sui generis gift for attack and counterpunch politics. The three-month whirlwind since he entered the race demonstrates that of all Trump’s extraordinary talents, master of kill-or-be-killed might be his most decisive—and the single most important factor in determining whom the Republican Party nominates for president next year.
Yet all attempts to deconstruct the Trump campaign, and to reverse engineer his success will likely fail if, in the end, he manages to sustain his image not so much as that of a vote for "Trump", but as one against a system which most Americans have by now realized is rotten to the core thanks to its "crony capitalist" puppet strings controlled by vast, faceless corporations and cronyism working on behalf not of Main Street but of Wall Street year after year and election after election.
What is most amazing is that the "expert" punditry still has not realized that a vote for Trump is not a "vote for Trump" but a vote of protest against the broken system.
If anyone wants to beat Trump in his own game, they will have to show and prove to the voters of America, that the existing system not only still works, but is worth saving in its current broken form.
This is the biggest challenge to everyone - on the right, on the left and in the middle - even if nobody wants to admit it.
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Woodchippers. When you have a LOT of brush to clear.
Unlike the democrats who also have nothing to offer. It looks like whoever gets in will continue the neocon program . . .though there seems to be a divergence between the PNAC vision of the US as the sole dominant power (empire) and the NWO thingy. I suppose that nationalistic element of the PNAC could just be a piece of the puzzle to con the conservatives and military.
That's why they stuff the ballot boxes and count them overseas. YOUR OPINION HAS BEEN RENDERED MEANINGLESS !!
"they will have to show and prove to the voters of America, that the existing system not only still works, but is worth saving in its current broken form."
or else they'll all be out of a job after the election. So far, Trump isn't using the standard GOP advisors. The WSJ had a piece on him the other day stating he has been calling his own shots. As in, no strings attached. Can't have that.
IMO, Tyler could not be more wrong with this prediction. The only thing that will stop Trump (other than the Teflon finally wearing off) will be if people properly identify him as part and parcel of the broken system. At that point, the sheeple will turn back to "responsible politicians."
Trump is not bought and paid for, and aims to actually do something about illegal immigration. Those are the only two frames that matter in this race. The GOP establishment will probably finally figure that out on election day.
I saw exactly what illegal immigration does to a locality from 2005-2013 when they took over manassas park, va. Overcrowding, gangs, trash, bugs, traffic congestion, schools packed, sewer system destruction from the overcrowding causing rates to double overnight to repair it, 70% drop in property values from peak making it one of the hardest hit zipcodes in the nation during the foreclosure crisis. The list goes on. Of course all the apologists here claimed that they had nothing to do with any of that. You all will be seeing this on a national level within a decade if it isn't stopped now and the problem dealt with. IMO it's been a looong time coming.
Truly, it's one-size-fits-all.
How do they stop Trump? Oh I don't know, did you ever try running a real candidate who wasn't a corporate whore? Just a thought....
Yes, Ron Paul, but look how the media sabotaged his momentum at every turn.
I'm talking about the repuke establishment. Dr. Ron Paul was definitely not in that club.
Exactly the point I was making about Trump. Why is the media NOT sabotaging him? Ron Paul wanted to end the Fed. TPTB weren't going to allow him to get in.
They ARE TRYING TO SABOTAGE HIM. At every step he has been attacked with Megan-like questions and attacks. So far he has knocked them flat and come out stronger.
Look what happened when he threatened to never go on fox again. They saw their competitors ratings go up and they begged him to come back. They know very well their shows get 10x the viewership when he's on. Ron Paul could never do that because he never mattered to anyone's ratings.
This is probably a first in history where a politician can make demands on the media. Every other political show in history was a snooze to viewers, who would rather watch reruns of a gay sitcom.
Yeah but he was willing to consider the TPP. Kucinich was he only one who said he'd vote no of all the fake GOPers.
The kook is 80 now, would be 82 when taking oath, and 86 when he left orifice.
We don't need president droolcup. Everytime he had a negotiation, the person across the table would be patting his arm saying "there, there."
He was talking about 2008 and 2012 dumbfuck.
You're mentally ill and also incorrect.
He jogs every day, and has for decades, he eats well, he surrounds himself with smart dedicated people of all ages, he has constructed important institutions to promote liberty, and his insight and ability to communicate it continues to improve.
The human body, soul and mind is made to be used.He is equal in every way to most men twenty years his junior.
and he would never tell you to go fuck yourself.
i'm waiting for my phone call to encourage me to run
+1 lol.
Time to move
Delegates. Any Ron Paul supporter knows its about delegates.
And whether they will seat them!
Someone like Trump has plenty of bones in his closet.
And the NSA knows this.
If the deep state wants Trump (hey, it has been good to suck people back into the system, hell, look at ZH) then the secrets will remain as bargaining chips.
If not, he will be allowed to continue to make this next selection a high turnout one and then they will deep six him.
If you make it high enough on the turdpile, you have done something bad to get there.
The deep state knows about all of this.
pods
They got to Benedict Roberts the night before the Obamadoesntcare ruling which was jumbled rambling shit devoid of legal merit.
Nope. Fail. That doesn't work because Trump doesn't need a career. The other guys are only blackmail-able because they worked their whole life to be at the top of politics and they would die rather than lose that.
Trump is hollywood, not DC. He gets dirt on his coat and he gets more popular. The other guys would ALREADY BE DESTROYED by the cries of racism and sexism. This what nobody seems to get.
BINGO!!
Trump is not a politician, hence his enormous appeal to Joe 6pack. Trump and Cruze !!!
Is he asking for people's votes?
Then he is a politician.
pods
No, Pods. He's hollywood. People like him because they liked his TV show. He's the tough talking, take no prisoners manly man that movie heros sound like.
In a fucked up way he's not really asking for votes. More like social media likes. That's all elections are now. Who do you want to have a beer with? Jeb and the rest come off as boring fruits.
I like Cruz, but I can;t get past the fact that his wife is an upper level Goldman-Sachs exec.
Cruz is the absolute nuttiest of that bunch. The motherfucker oozes sleaze and lies. I would vote for a convicted sexual predator randomly found on that locator website before Cruz.
what an accusation, calling a presidential candidate a "politician"
they really don't have a clue, the GOP is a cesspool and they can't defend it/them
It looks like Fake News has all but abandoned, Jebediah Bush, and jumped on the Ben Carson bandwagon.
I overheard one of their stooges discussing some made-up pole where Carson has pulled within a few points of Trumph.
Roger Ailes is probably sucking down a bottle of nitroglycerin a day, to stop from going into coronary arrest.
...or, maybe the masses don't like the Establishement GOP candidates? Ever stop to think about that? Yeah,,, I thought so.
And on the democrat side - that is exactly why i support Bernie Sanders even though I know it is unpopular here.
#2 is Deez Nutz 'cause I will not vote for cobweb cunt under any circumstances.
Deez Nutts all the way!
Subway brawl erupts on Queens F train when passenger sits on woman's baghttp://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/subway-brawl-erupts-seat-q...
One man dead, another woman critically injured after brawl on Harlem street corner breaks out over umbrella disputehttp://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-dead-woman-critically-...
We're exceptional!
New York City has done so well the Dems should run DiBlasio.
Don't doubt that fucker didn't think about it. I'm a little surprised that Bloomberg didn't even tease it.
Sadly these days Socialism sells, I guess it is because the Baby Boomers have done such a good job of marketing Socialism in Universities, public schools, Hollywood and the Media and re-writing the history of Socialism. Thus the younger generations have been brainwashed into the farce that Socialism is fairness, kindness and a substitute for faith, morals and the Christian principals that founded the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights and the founder's vision of individual liberity at the expense of centralized gov't.
There is such a gulf between the Socialism of North Korea versus the Nordic Model of Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Denmark that using the same word to describe both is a lot like using the same word to describe helium and lead. Yes, they're both elements, but beyond that they don't have much in common at all, and insisting on labeling every element with the same name puts you at an extreme intellectual disadvantage. The net result is to make your arguments so weak they verge on the ridiculous.
I guess you didn't know, that all happened before the baby boomers. But then, how could you know if you're a product of socialist public schools.
Moar Free Shit!
An entire generation, blacks and white, think it's thier right to get free everything on the backs of people who actually work. Gubmint workers, students, ghettoe thugs, and on and on. Anything less then "free" is unfair to them.
Our nation is sinking under the parasite dung.
Ah, another baby boomers are responsible for all the evil in the world, cretin.
You must be so happy, now that the cause of all your misfortunes has been identified.
Peace, unicorn farts, and pixie dust up your ...
Trump '16
"And on the democrat side - that is exactly why i support Bernie Sanders even though I know it is unpopular here."
another Hope and Change gulliblist
Obama/Sanders bait and switch
Ah.
See you "from" the trench on the banks of the Neches.
The ultimate crossover appeal candidate. He is drawing from all sides. Meteoric?
Wait until the voting actually starts, rather than publishing bullshit polls. My prediction: Trump will be at least 10% below his polling numbers and Rand Paul will have double the support the polls say he has
sarc? Aquabuddha ain't going nowhere.
No sarc. I could be wrong. Just a prediction. Trump won't win, Carson won't get delegate support. Are you Trump supporters political rookies? Don't you know how this works? My prediction of the "Big Story": Republicans favour the "less risky, boring " Bush over the "exciting, but more volatile" Trump.
My Pet Goat, Part 2. And if you can get Rand Paul's "published poll numbers" down so low that you exclude him from the prime time debates, then even better.
Follow the Money: Bush vs. Clitcon.
The only reason I am doing anything approaching supporting Trump, right now, is because it is a fine cudgel against the blue blood R establishment. They don't know what to do with him. Honest question PB, you in the "voting doesn't matter crowd?"
Thanks.
You made me LOL.
I don't trust Trump! I trust the GOP establishment even less!
defeatism is never having to say you've been fooled
Why does it matter? What difference does it make?
"Yes, I know all about that. they call and ask for money and I give it to them. I call and they help me." Trump knows the system and uses it. What's wrong with that for a president. At times I do believe he is running for Emperor not President. We live in interesting times when a very viable candidate can finance his own campain and will not be under the thumb of the GOP central committee.
Republicans never miss an opportunity to discredit other Republicans. It's the political party of self-loathing.
Uh, no.
Republicrats take that opportunity. Fighting back and identifying the enemy is a tried and true method one learns in the paper fights of one's yooth.
Not much in evidence of the on their knees of the Jebito wing of the Republican party.
See you from the trenches on the banks of the Neches.
Everyone knows the GOP is Dem ligth nowdays. The GOP leadership should love Trump since he is essentially Dem Light in his views, sure he has changed some of late but he still has a lot of big gov't Progressive tendencies. Problem is GOP knows they can't control or own him like Jeb.
"a dozen Wall Street executives interviewed for this article could not say what might dent Trump's appeal or when it might happen. "I don't know anyone who is a Donald Trump supporter. I don’t know anyone who knows anyone who is a Donald Trump supporter. They are like this huge mystery group,” the CEO said. "So it's a combination of shock and bewilderment. No one really knows why this is happening."
"The latest frightening broadside for the Wall Street class came on Sunday when Trump said on CBS’s “Face the Nation” that executive pay in America is “a complete joke” and promised to raise taxes on “the hedge fund guys.” (see carried interest, below) In a statement sent to POLITICO on Monday from his campaign, Trump relished in the attacks from Wall Street, singling out both Bush and Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, another favorite on Wall Street."
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/donald-trump-2016-wall-street-reac...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carried_interest
Yesterday in Dallas:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/15/02/2C525FFD00000578-3234705-im...
How about molasses and feathers for the "Establishment". Then run them out of the country.
I need a bit more specificity as to the "Establishment".
Geez!
Where you been.
Clue:
Them that ain't us.
Includes the Donald's detractors.
It's the magnificent chaos of a Republic, and that for which it stands against those that exempt themselves from the chaos, or so they think.
Trump-Senator Cruz '16
i love hearing the clueless liberals say things like "he has no policy!"
they NEED central planning since they can't live their own lives. they NEED lots, and lots of long, detailed PLANS. like obamacare. that 15,000 page jugernaut. yep, affordable care act that made deductables go up along with premiums.
as for the wall with mexico, trump explained last night we have a $55 billion trade deficit with mexico. the wall will cost somewhere $4-10 billion. pretty fucking easy equation but liberals can't wrap their head around that because it wont cause the need to create a committee of 100 consultants we can all put on the government payroll. rather, it would be a private market solution to solve public insolvency. imagine that.
He will not build a wall.
ZH'rs are a peverse bunch. Capitalists at heart, yet shit-scared of the most iconic of them.
TRUMP IS A FRAUD AND LIAR.
Sorry, but true.
There is no saviour for babylon's whore.
Protect and defend yourselves.
Yet he is better than most other politicians because he admits it.
praising trump now will be a personal shame in future for everyone who do so
same shit like giving nobelprize to obummer before he even becomes president
here some education on trust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fUmFBMVWNI
Just to make sure I make the list.
Trump '16
the idea of "controlled opposition"
CO is the method.
We all have a choice to be a part of it.
We all like to criticize the incestuous relationship between Wall Street, The Fed, and the government.
But we all like our pussy. We'll criticize that incestuous relationship shit afterwards, but only after we got our pussy.
It would help if the GOP wasn't an intellectual wasteland. When tatted up bubba starts hooting and hollering for a liberal real estate developer from the northeast, it's because the party is meaningless at this point.
GOP, your best bet is to dissolve. Breakup the party. You'd rather re-create your establishment than try to reform this one.
It won't be the GOP establishment that will end Trumps lead. It will be the move past the political silly season into the season of more serious consideration.
Ha Ha JUmp you GOP MoFo's!
We are the Trump.
You will not be assimilated, you will be crushed.
Resistance is futile.
Grimaldus
Is there a reason some people on here "sign" their posts? Is it a default thing I didn't click (for good reason"? I'm just curious...I see it here and there and think to myself "what, in case I didn't already see it with your post once?"
Trump is a protest vote, I get that.
But he is absolutely NO different than any of the other candidates. This is obvious to anyone who lives in any town ANYWHERE. WHO runs the local government? It's ALWAYS the SAME people; the developers (like Trump) their good buddies (the LAWYERS) and their good buddies (the BANKERS).
Don't expect The Donald to change one damn thing that the BANKERS and their LAWYER accomplices don't want changed....AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!
I love the smell of Trump haters squirming in the morning.
It smells like----victory!
Grimaldus
But do they really hate Donald Trump?
Or do they hate the truth of what's behind the real reason he seems to be so popular?
America is looking at itself in the mirror.
If there were a way to assure his energies were focused on the good of America, he would be a ringer in the game and a positive event for the nation....I know...dream on...
The Truth hurts.
Just remember one thing: if you attend an orgy you might just end up being the one who pays for it.
One persons good is another ones bad; since we have no fixed reference point of truth and morality anymore; we are a broken nation under divine judgment. It only gets much much worse from here, for we are at the beginning of "God gave them over to useless minds to do those things which are NOT fitting..."
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You will see; in 5 years from now we will look back at this time and wish we had it back just as we look back 10 years, 15 years 40 years.
America is looking at itself in the mirror. What they see is a reflection of themselves, thus the problem without a solution.
There is such a thing as Brown-shirted socialism, which masquerades as patriotism, seeks national greatness, celebrates the majority race and dehumanizes the other, is violently protectionist, that is anti-leftist and is unapologetically authoritarian. But fascism has many other types of expression, each reflecting a special interest, but each of them leading to a special kind of authoritarianism. Racist, anti-semite, and unapologetic former KKK grand dragon David Duke has endorsed Donald Trump for president. So has the mega-popular website Stormfront.org. The American Nazi Party (yes, there is such a thing, as founded by George Lincoln Rockwell) is also all-in with support: “He tells it as the majority of the population FEELS, and he’s far ahead in the polls because of it.”
Its the 1930's all over again.
Its the reds vs the brownshirts.
... and the brownshirts just might win.
Squirm! ha Ha love it. Your (yes you, AR) squirming in particular reeks of desperation.
We are the Trump.
You will not be assimilated, you will be crushed.
Resistance is futile.
Grimaldus
Thank you for proving my point.
Look at the face on that blond sicophant.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-27/guest-post-donald-exposed-reali...
The ruling class are deviant psychos. A lot of them fuck kids. A lot of them practice occult ooga-booga. They're goddamn nuts, and possess the will to perpetrate evil on all things.
They will have the person they want in the control seat. If for some wild-ass reason they DO NOT get what they want, that person will be eliminated to make room for the proper chess piece.
I still think this cluster fuck is all about Hillary. We shall see
fyi
http://www.eutimes.net/2015/09/a-third-of-americans-would-support-milita...
My first reaction was - only a third? But then after remembering how Obama has been systematically replacing all the military brass with assholes like himself, or ones sympathetic to his mistaken policies, that may be a good thing only a third are in favor... ...........
At least the man is somewhat consistent, unlike most of the other clowns, bad hair notwithstanding.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/MOKi5YeNtRI?feature=player_detailpage
But,
THINK SMART. THINK CARSON. It's not brain surgery folks...................
His bad hair is very consistent...no "notwithstanding" about it. But it's hair...whatdoIcare?
He was quite the dashing young man in that Doprah video. Love the big hair styles of the audience members. Ah, those were the days.......brings back memories of the Wilson sisters when they were both hot............
I like Carson a lot but he is so low key the morons who run from shiny object to shiny object (squirrel!) will never see him.
But there is a long way to go and you can bet the disease called liberalism is digging into Trumps history with a bull dozer - anything can happen.
I truly hope they do not succeed to keep this broken corrupt government system that is totally discredited. A totally new slate is required for world peace and prosperity.
just get back to the Constitution and rule of law - that would be a HUGE improvement
Stay in academia where you belong.
You'll get hurt out here.
Man's history is a cry for peace, but man's nature is that of war...so there will never be peace and never has except at the very beginning and at the very end; as it is written.
I'd like to add to the discussion only the one statement:
If the election turns out to be Trump v Hillary, The Trump WILL BE the next president of the US.
anyone agree?
Probably depends on how many trainloads of unemployed and immigrants the dems manage to transport to the voting booths.
So a guy whose family fortune came from building public housing, who demands and receives large tax breaks and incentives to build hotels and casinos in improvished areas and profits from the taking of pension checks from elderly gamblers who can least afford it wants us to believe that he will fight the system. Got it.
just as believable as Hillary's take on sexual violence or charitable "donations" to the family syndicate (er..charitable foundation)
Trump = Tawana Brawley
The rise of Trump shows how seriously advanced our Magic President Syndrome has become. Trump isn't running on any particular policies or his capacity to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed". His schtick is that he's pretty great, and if you vote for him, he'll do great things. Congress, the courts, the states, history, economics, law, other nations? To hell with 'em, President Trump can get things done.
This is a dangerously infantile and authoritarian view of the world, one suited for a Third World dictatorship but not a liberal democratic federated republic.
"...but not a liberal democratic federated republic."
What country are we talking about again? I'm from the US. I've never lived in that country.
You are living in a country run by fascists, communist, liberal addled wankers.
People start believing, 'anything is better than this shit.'
Our "republic" is fucked! and that's why folks like DT. The author of this peice nailed it with one sentence...
"What is most amazing is that the "expert" punditry still has not realized that a vote for Trump is not a "vote for Trump" but a vote of protest against the broken system."
Trumps claim to fame is the fact that he will spit the hypocrisy of liberalism in the face of the media and the left.
In particular the theft of our nation by illegal immigrants and the importation of 'legal' immigrants that want sharia law.
People are fed up with the status quo and will put crazy in charge if it stops the disease of liberalism.
Sometimes you need crazy to fix crazy.
Voting for Trump is like voting for Howard Stern. But then, America no longer cares.
> but not a liberal democratic federated republic.
WTF did I just read?
Please consider the possibility that you would be doing the world a great favor if you went without oxygen for an hour or so.
Standard Disclaimer: At least then I could put you down as a Democratic party voter.
I am certain that as time goes on, people will realize that Mr. Trump is the one candidate nearly any Democrat can defeat in a general election. Even Sanders, I think, could beat Mr. Trump. I think he voices some profound (legitimate) frustrations, but Trump candidacy= DNC Presidency.
I don't see how it automatically ends that way...despite your confidence. I don't see Sanders or Hillary beating him because there are debates that have to happen and neither can control the narrative of a debate like he does. I'm not pumping him up. I'm just noting what's obvious to me...Trump enters a debate, initiates chaos going "off script" and dropping bombs, and neither the other candidates nor the moderators have any control of where the debate goes from that point on. He looks, then, like the only calm person in the room somehow. Explain how any Democrat out there deals with that any better than the Republicans in the field right now?
You can tell when lefties are already shitting in their pants.....they start telling Republicans what they need to do to win an election.....I hope you have lots of TP for your Bunghole, Cornholio
Sanders just committed political suicide at Liberty University... or weren't you paying attention?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/14/bernie-sanders-...
Same old shit from the left every time...
Ben Carson, the sleeper. All the arguments against Trump or Carson could more than apply to Barry, Hillary or Jeb. Presidents are selected, not elected..don't vote I say unless it is Ben, the only person with proven lifelong character.
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When Trumps talks about "deals with China"; he is speaking of Real Estate deals with wealthy Chinese.
Carson is a Seventh Day adventist that thinks the world is coming to an end.
No thanks.
VOTE FOR WHOMEVER THE SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA ATTACKS THE MOST....
IGNORES THE MOST
TRUMP has my vote!!!
voting should be banned in Totalitarian Regimes, it's superfluous
(but then, it's facade to hide the fact that it's a Totalitarian Regime, so required)
Trump is just really smart, his attack on immigration does two things, it shuts down Jeb Bush. Jeb cant take a stand against his brothers presidency, because they have the same immigration policy. His tough on immigration gives Trump standing with the house GOP, which against (everyone elses) immigration policy, which is also Obamas most vulnerable issue. Now he comes out probusiness, and he says i would fire Janet Yellen. It just gets better and better.
Firing Janet Yellen isn't going to do anything. When he starts talking about ending the FED, then I'm on board.
Analysts are missing the point. Trump isn't the "thing". It's not what he has said or done exactly. The "thing" is the current of discontent running through US society and that current has found an outlet in Trump.
The more he is attacked by the status quo just serves to prove that he is not of the status quo and reinforces his support among the discontented.
Also, the Bloomberg analysis of ways to attack Trump missed one:
Helicopter "malfunction".
Could happen...just sayin.
Statistically the posters on ZH are above average IQ and for some unfathomable reason, there is hope and belief from some members for Donald Trump, the new saviour. The whole system is ROTTEN! Trump is merely the lipstick on the pig. Minus the anti-immigration rhetoric and debate(which is needed) Trump is still an establishment guy. His views on the structures and role of the FED, is to keep the status quo. His views on Israel is continued unwavering support and tax-payer aid to the chosen ones. So please tell me, on what issues is he different?
The U.S, the Western world and to be honest, the world as a whole needs major reconstructive surgery. What Trump offers is the equivalent of putting a Band-Aid plaster over a severed limb and claiming it's fixed. This whole Trump-GOP charade is a fucking pantomime for the plebs. Just watching the deluded masses place their faith in these charlatan politicians, is priceless entertainment in itself. Who in their right mind would go to the political hustings of a celebrity politician? The reality is the most eloquent speakers and the nation's most intellectual people do not enter mainstream politics, so we are left with second rate frauds.
You are right. But I wonder from my posts below if you might have thought I was in the "Donald is a savior" crowd? I gave up on pretending a candidate that would hold corrupt power accountable could get to the WH or any important position a long time ago. So it's rather fatalistic, but if he is elected President I know the fix is in. And I'll go forward planning on that basis until I'm (hopefully) proven wrong. 99% chance I'll have something better to do than vote for fraud when election time comes...like the dishes. His past speaks volumes. Using government force to take that lady's home for his casino parking lot...what else do you need to know? If he's not attacked with that this next debate you have to assume the fix is in don't ya folks?
I'd like to see those statistics.
Trump supports the expansion of Israel in the Middle East.
He wont tell you that, but look at the livestock in the cradle.
>The whole system is "ROTTEN!"
>What Trump offers is the equivalent of putting a Band-Aid plaster over a severed limb and claiming it's fixed.
Yes, and it is quite clear it started long before Trump.
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Standard Disclaimer: The nere fact that any thinking person can look at one of their fellow men and declare him a saviour is not only ludicrous, but dangerous. The cancer has already metastasized. There is no cure. But if you can't laugh and poke fun in the face of it being terminal, I'll loan you my .357 and you can shuffle off this mortal coil that much sooner.
Strawman argument as soon as you claimed people here think Trump is a "saviour".
It is clear that quite a few think Trump will be less harmful to the US than most of the other candidates and that he might even do SOME good. There is certainly a common acceptance he is driving the political estalishment (both sides) mad.
His views on trade deals and bringing manufacturing and decent jobs back to the US is hardly an establishment position.
That does not amount to considering Trump a "saviour".
Your complaint appears to be that Trump does not accord with a few things you believe really important.
Why you imagine "eloquent speakers and the nation's most intellectual people" are what is needed in government is a mystery. After all the Fed is filled with those "intellectual people" and yet you don't like what they are doing and Obama has been praised as an "eloquent speaker" (though only with a teleprompter.
In order to drive out the second rate frauds, put yourself forward. Surely it can't be that hard if all these second rate people are doing it.
Sorry in advance to all the true believers... but this is how I see it:
Trump is just a sideshow to keep people's eyes peeled to the 2016 election cycle. Much like #deflategate was to keep the the NFL in the news cycle during the off season.
We're fooked, nothing more too it. But go ahead and vote in 2016, if it really makes you feel better. But on your way to November 2016, remember to vote for yourself in the form of wealth preservation, health preservation, diversification, self-defense, gardending, etc., and ad infinitum. There's a million ways you can vote for yourselves and your families.
"Endeavor to persevere." ~ Lone Watie
The form of government does not change the character of the nation; man is born to trouble as sparks fly upward.
A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump, not a protest vote. If voters really want to protest, they'd vote independent, or Libertarian, or Green, or Constitution.
Independent and green are just same as dem, only more progressive. Libertarian.....well, who's a serious libertarian candidate out there? I voted for Gary Johnson back when I still thought voting mattered and he got what, 1% of the vote?
Trump is a breath of fresh air, as a real business owner he understands the headwinds average Americans face, because he faces the same ones day after day just on a bigger scale.
His comment about the scaffolding around the capitol buildings especially won me over, as someone in construction I look at the waste, abuse, fraud, and idiotic shit that goes on around cities, high way construction in the middle of rush hour for example when these should all be night hour contracts etc... etc.. scaffolding that didn't even get used on the capitol building is going to come down before construction is even started so that Obama can look good giving speeches infront of the white house........... give me a fucking break.
The entire idea of that scaffolding staying up while trump is being sworn in to me would be symbolic for him starting to rebuild this country.
All that being said I am "touched" by his speech, but do I believe personally anything will get better in my life if Trump gets elected? probably not, but I do think the country would be SLIGHTLY better off if he won vs some of these other idiots running, and in anycase, whats the worst that could happen? there is no way he could possibly do worse than Obama, Obama pretty much set the bar for what qualifies as the worst president in U.S. history, even surpassing Bush in many regards.
What I would be voting for if I voted for trump.
-Lower Taxes
-Less Regulation
-HealthCare that is cheaper because its not a protected monopoly (not for me but for everyone else because I dont thnk I will need healthcare for the next 30 years atleast)
-Economic protectionism (force nations to make fair trade deals with us that aren't so one-sided) its not our responsibility to build the world by sacrificing our selves on the carving block.
-Some kind of border and immigration process that "works" to legally bring immigrants into this country while kicking out/ keeping out drug cartels / gangs/ terrorists / undesirables.
Mostly the only thing I care about is lower taxes
What I would like him to talk about is his position on central banking, because we all know the real reason they are letting trump win is because he wouldn't change a thing there ^^ central banking is the primary problem with the U.S.A. its the primary anchor weighing us down.
They all say a lot of things.
You haven't learned a thing fool.
Shh he is still sleeping peacefully.
How stupid can the Republicans be? Read their list:
Now just substitute Obama's name for Trump. And the Republicans have been perfectly happy so far to support fearless leader. So why should they complain about Trump?
Honestly, when in doubt , pick the candidate that hasn't been a politician before.
If hes rich enough where there is no need for him to take bribes... all the better.
If he actually ran a business in his life. . . all the better.
If he clowns about and makes fun of ridiculous situations, that just means hes a human and not a reptilian over-lord...all the better.
They attack him for being a clown, but all he says is whats going on, and he cant help it if the current situation is so ridiculous that people start laughing and crying when he talks about it.
Trump is not the clown, hes the one pointing to the clowns in Washington and telling you its funny.
A rich man desires greater riches, but a man of integrity will not compromise, thus the only real candidate is Ben Carson with proven lifelong character based on integrity.
We need to call David Icke to find out once and for all if Trump is a shape shifting reptile.
Not to mention the fact that there are many republicans that match the criteria you bulleted.
And why isn't the media promoting Ben Carson? I mean, he is black, right? Oh, but I guess being a republican cancels that out.
But in all seriousness, and I mean this sincerely, he seems like the only real leader in the bunch.
Where you been. Either in a cave or ur spinning to put the Dr's name out there.
The lamestream media and the GOPe-DIMe are promoting the Dr.every poll, blog, and station.
Wonder why?
Look at the list they are offering as presidential candidates. Gives the definition of leadership a whole new meaning.
Almost lost my lunch. Even if gas were free, it's not worth a trip to what's comically referred to as a voting booth.
Trump has three things that will help him.
First is Obama, Kerry, and Congress - who will say and do such stupid things like the Iran deal -- giving Trump the political fodder to call out and criticize what the trio is doing or saying. And the majority of Americans will agree with Trump.
Second is that most of the rest of the field either voted for or are saying the same things that Trump is criticizing -- or are afraid to speak out against their own leaders -- the two Obama flunkies - Czar Boehner and Czar McConnell.
And third, is that any candidate who spends time trashing Trump is not getting their own message out as a reason someone should vote for them.
Trump's love for thousands of Syrian refugees exposed the Zionist.
Not all Zio's are atheist Jews.
Trump benefits from the Republican Base's reaction to how the GOPe leadership dispises the Republican Base.
And also a factor is that Trump has a spine.
Only time the GOPe leadership attack, is when attacking their own voters.
Rest of the time, the GOPe is sucking O's...
exactly right
Political porn. Don't watch. Don't vote -- it just encourages them.
The president is just a front man that does what he is told. Its absurd to believe the empire actually counts the votes. The oligarchy picks who they want, the person they control that keeps the mob happy.