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GOP Debate Post-Mortem: Trump Top, Fiorina Flourish, Carson Crumbles
While Lindsay Graham was a clear winner in the undercard (like being the tallest midget?), the main event was a mosh-pit of anatagonistic self-abuse for The GOP as candidates ran rough-shod over each other and the moderators. Fiorina stood up to Trump (though not too aggressively) and Trump replied how beautiful Fiorina's face was, Paul was bowled over (by Trump), and Trump was ironically dismissed as "a great entertainer" as the debate took place in great entertainer Ronald Reagan's library. It was clear that "the rest" of the GOP field was not about to let Trump dominate... and he didn't but the night was, in one word, chaos. Trump spoke the most as expected and in most polls was voted as 'winner' with Fiorina gaining most.
The top searched candidates from tonight's #CNNDebate: 1) @realDonaldTrump 2) @CarlyFiorina 3) @JebBush
— Google Politics (@googlepolitics) September 17, 2015
CNN's Jeff Zeleny seemed to confirm social media's view that Graham was the undercard winner
Sen. Lindsey Graham had the strongest performance of any candidate in the first debate. Graham topped the talk-time...
- Graham: 19:47
- Santorum: 15:38
- Jindal: 13:06
- Pataki: 10:58
From start to finish, his one-liners delighted the crowd, his command of policy was unmatched, particularly on national security and foreign policy. He exuded substance. And he shows that experience pays. The question is whether voters want that experience. And, of course, whether he will ever be able to debate the full field.
But the bookies sum it all up... Odds to suspend/end campaign by Nov. 1
George Pataki
- Odds pre-debate: 40%
- Odds post-debate: 55%
Lindsey Graham
- Odds pre-debate 42%
- Odds post-debate 42%
Rick Santorum
- Odds pre-debate: 34%
- Odds post-debate: 40%
Bobby Jindal
- Odds pre-debate: 33%
- Odds post-debate: 40%
So Pataki is gone? Which is somewhat comical given Trump's later comment that
"Pataki wouldn't be elected dog-catcher right now"
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The main event started with what felt like an hour of introductions then the big one hit...
The first heads-up was Fiorina vs Trump as she positioned him as a "great entertainer," which is ironic given the debate was being held in Ronald Reagan's (an entertainer) library, but declined to answer if Trump was "qualified" to put his finger on the nuclear button:
- *FIORINA SAYS UP TO VOTERS TO DECIDE IF TRUMP IS QUALIFIED
Then Trump began...
- *TRUMP SAYS RAND PAUL SHOULDN'T BE ON DEBATE STAGE
Which the eye surgeon swung at...
- *PAUL SAYS TRUMP'S ATTACKS ARE WHAT HAPPENS IN `JUNIOR HIGH'
Carson came across quiet again...
Retired Neurosurgeon Ben Carson was surging in the polls coming into Wednesday night’s debate, but he has done little this evening to draw voters to his candidacy. He has had few, if any, memorable statements.
But actually spoke more than last time and managed some good points...
Carson: It's time for the government to get out of the way and let the people decide how they want to run their country #GOPDebate
— PBS NewsHour (@NewsHour) September 17, 2015
Carson: Our children will have no future if we put our heads in the sand #GOPDebate
— PBS NewsHour (@NewsHour) September 17, 2015
Bush had more of a presence that last time but his most notable moment was to Trump's negativity on his brother...
“Your brother’s administration gave us Barack Obama because the last 3 years were such a disaster.”
“It was such a disaster those last few months that Abraham Lincoln couldn’t have been elected,” Trump says at CNN’s Republican presidential debate
Bush opened back-and-forth by saying of Trump: “The lack of judgment and lack of understanding about how the world works is really dangerous”
Bush: My brother kept us safe #GOPDebate
— PBS NewsHour (@NewsHour) September 17, 2015
or put another way...
Here's a quick recap of that Trump/Jeb exchange. #CNNDebate pic.twitter.com/cJr6JMjw1u
— daveweigel (@daveweigel) September 17, 2015
But disappointed his mum...
Sorry Mom
— Jeb Bush (@JebBush) September 17, 2015
Jeb: I smoked weed 40 years ago pic.twitter.com/irRPnpgl14
— POLITICO Video (@POLITICOvideo) September 17, 2015
Trump and Cruz were the most "uncivil" according to US News...
Everyone except for @realdonaldtrump and @tedcruz is being pretty civil right now http://t.co/aaIzvlGY9u pic.twitter.com/LlAEsgaoet
— U.S. News (@usnews) September 17, 2015
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Donald Trump summed it all it in 7 seconds
I think Trump just did all the emoji faces in 7 seconds. pic.twitter.com/hC18pVxKgh
— Jason Mustian (@jasonmustian) September 17, 2015
Responding to Paul, Trump pounded him with "I never attacked him on his looks, and believe me, there’s plenty of subject matter right there.”
But Paul made some good points...
Rand Paul: There will always be a Bush or Clinton for you if you want to go back to Iraq #GOPDebate
— PBS NewsHour (@NewsHour) September 17, 2015
Mid way through, CNN re-ignited the Trump-Fiorina battle...
Fiorina responds to Trump: "I think women all over this country heard very clearly what Mr. Trump said" #GOPDebate pic.twitter.com/LQDAMCDn7q
— New York Post (@nypost) September 17, 2015
The only thing Kasich said was:
- *KASICH SAYS TAX RATES ON CARRIED INTEREST SHOULD NOT BE CHANGED
Trump added:
- *TRUMP ON TAXES: THE HEDGE FUND GUYS WON'T LIKE ME
For a brief moment, there was some agreement with Trump...
“We are the only ones dumb enough, stupid enough” to offer citizenship to babies born in U.S. to parents here illegally “and we take care of the baby for 85 years,” Donald Trump.
Trump says 14th amendment says birthright citizenship “is not correct and in my opinion it makes absolutely no sense”
Rand Paul says “I hate to admit it but Mr. Trump has a point here” and says there’s never been a “direct supreme court case” on children born to immigrants in the U.S. illegally
Carly Fiorina says you “cant just wave your hands and say the 14th amendment is going to go away.” “It will take an extremely arduous vote in congress” and “a long arduous process in court”
Politico offers some inisght with Trump's 7 most memorable debate lines...
1. First words: “I’m Donald Trump. I wrote the art of the deal. I say not in a braggadocious way. I’ve made billions and billions of dollars.”
2. Asked to respond to Carly Fiorina: “First of all, Rand Paul shouldn’t even be on this stage. He’s number 11.”
3. On himself: “Believe me. My temperament is very good, very calm.”
4. On Paul: “I never attacked him on his looks, and believe me there’s plenty of subject matter right there.”
5. On George Pataki: “He wouldn’t be elected dog-catcher right now.”
6. On his multiple bankruptcies: “People are very, very, impressed with what I’ve done. The business people.”
7. A left-handed compliment to Jeb Bush: “More energy tonight. I like that.”
Trump and Bush managed the handshake that Trump and Carson didn't...
Ever-ready gives Humble some skin. https://t.co/qbJW3a19Eo
— Matt Fuller (@MEPFuller) September 17, 2015
And here is CNN's protracted way of adding to ad revenues... POTUS nicknames...
#trueheart #unit1 #secretariat #harley #everready #humble #onenation #angel #gator #duckhunter #justiceneversleeps
— drew olanoff (@drew) September 17, 2015
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As expected, Trump spoke most... more than Paul, Walker, & Huckabee combined
Two hours in, who has spoken the longest? pic.twitter.com/tn3JbcQ4xQ
— Post Politics (@postpolitics) September 17, 2015
Quite different allocations that last time...
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Polls suggested trump was the clear winner...
But the big surge by Fiorina and plunge for Carson was most notable.
As CNN notes, the second Republican debate was supposed to be the one where candidates like Jeb Bush, Scott Walker and other would-be frontrunners ganged up on Trump.
But Trump's greatest antagonist on Wednesday night was Carly Fiorina. Fiorina, who got into the main event at the 11th hour, was aggressive and concise in taking on Trump.
She countered his attacks against her business acumen, challenged his remarks about her appearance, and demonstrated her knowledge of foreign policy -- a slight against Trump's inability to cite specifics in a recent Meet The Press interview.
No one on stage Wednesday night showed as much passion, nor demonstrated as much poise, as Fiorina -- which could yield major results among Republicans who don't support Donald Trump.
And as Google Politics shows, search interest in Fiorina and Trump soared...
Take a look at how @google search interest for @CarlyFiorina & @realDonaldTrump spiked over the past 1.5 hours → pic.twitter.com/cqqsl38WH9
— Google Politics (@googlepolitics) September 17, 2015
We are all winners though...
Let's all agree on this: we all won for having watched this CNN debate.
— Chris Ciaccia (@Chris_Ciaccia) September 17, 2015
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The final results of @Newsweek's #GOPDebate bingo: http://t.co/Lu2XVvBGNj pic.twitter.com/ksVdNjsYP1
— Polly Mosendz (@polly) September 17, 2015
Finally, this excellent tweet summed up the circus perfectly...
The questions being asked at this debate versus the answers pic.twitter.com/nsMjSywzSA
— sam (@samlabell) September 17, 2015
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Didn't watch, but, based on commentary and what you guys are saying, it seems like CNN has magnificently accomplished its major purpose-- which was to elevate Hillary in reverse by making every one of the possible alternatives seem unpalatable to Joe and Jane Sixpack. That was their intent and it appears that they have succeeded in planting the false meme without much intellectual realization.
Lindsay Graham the winner? Really?
Who's dumb enough to buy that piece of goods mouldering on the shelf?
U always have interesting comments.
But I seemed to just get comments that support the Neo-Con, and for Propaganda for strengthening the MIC.
- I just got small part of the debate and didn't know who was answering
- But all will support aggressive Republican Global War on Terror as I understood, but found statement by Rubio to be totally MIC Industry Talking Point, He has no idea how to implement what he has said, there is little substance to his Military Perspective, not to pick him out, but this is typical of all politicians in a Campaign.
- Yeah, we are the USA, we are a superpower, we must police the world, we must not give up strength like military personnel... except when the lobby is strong and they say give up personnel & we will lobby for US Strength in the next Election cycle as we always do, and our conservative institutions always win the lobby for war and a stronger military, every time, that is the strategy, cut military personnel in time that will predict or need higher personnel, in this way we increase MIC contractors... and then as Republicans work the narrative of weak military for advantage... like the bombings in Italy in the 1970s or the killing of police in Italy in the 1970s, or the kidnapping of important people in Italy in the 1970s. (NATO operations to influence Politics and it appears to be True in the USA regarding the 911 Attacks)
Don't watch BBC Video on TimeTravels on Operation Gladio.
I'm sure it has no bearing on US Politics... surely. Secret Armies in Europe, NATO, US CIA, what a story.
But since US press doesn't publish this kind of news, well the US Presidential Race won't mention the scandal which does actually ask what influence the CIA had. And proved the CIA had influence.
More often than not, I find that it is necessary to integrate foreign sources into the quest for the truth about domestic issues.
That goes for every country everywhere. They are ALL beholden to their internal masters but have some leeway when covering certain issues abroad.
If it matters to the boss, though, the lid comes down on everybody.
they are shooting for 30 years of war....Carly-WHO is gonna pay for it? Yeah WITH OTHER PEOPLES MONEY....were now $20 Trillion in debt
Naah.
Hillary is going to face plant without any help.
She is just sneaky, shady, arrogant and unlikable.
Oh, I agree in spades with everything you say here.
But that doesn't mean that the media isn't pushing her/their side regardless.
Just as an exercise in flaunting their power, if nothing else.
She would be happy face planting her mugg right into the white house. She even has a kenel picked out for blow job boy.
Hillary will piss off undecided Democrats when she debates Bernie.
Watching Clinton choke to death on her own hubris will be a sight to behold.
She'll say he doesn't suck Israel cock enough to be Prez... the Dems are fucked.. the gays got their gay everythings already so their honeymoon with politics is over..
You nailed the last part. But I don't think you realize that those 'qualities' you enumerated make her the PERFECT candidate for the blue-hive dwellers.
They all want to be her, evidently.
The only thing Limp-wristed Lindsey could win is a pole-smoking contest.
Uai!
I saw the debate and did not like where was Kardashian?
hehe.
Haven't you heard? She's the new CEO for Petrobras.
I watched the debates for one reason: To see if any of the candidates would even mention if any of them had a plan as to how they where going to deal with the massive $19 trillion debt. As I suspected, none did. I have known for some time now that the repukelican party is {as STP would say} Dead and bloated. What a joke. Bring on Bernie. Forward Soviet! the USSA is all lubed up, and ready for the big dick in their ass that is socialism. There is no credible alternative after what I just saw.
That's why I support Bernie.
The 19 trillion IS NOT getting paid back, so why not go all in and start printing for the 99% before the big reset?
Bernie's smart. He is helping arm and strengthen the rebels for the inevitable revolution
I thought Fiorina did fine until her closing speech, which sounded like she plagiarized it from a Boy Scout Handbook. If she had given advance notice I might have stood and saluted the screen while playing God Bless America on my DVR.
It might play better on the day before the elections over a year from now. But, maybe she’s thinking she’ll never make it that far, so why not put it out there while she’s got a chance.
Damn that bitch got me, Yeah, I think I did salute.!
enough already of the "God, guns and Apple pie" bullshit
Fucking MICs always clothe themselves in Liberty and Justice For All. Fucking MIC.
Interesting that Trump went after Paul right off the bat. Trump must feel that Paul will be his biggest competition. I believe Rand was 8th in the polling, not 11th.
Paul is the only threat to Trump's support.
After a great deal of soul searching, I have decided to join the race. As the anchor baby child of a poor polish lesbian couple who came to America with nothing but the clothes on their backs and the 4.5 million dollars they were awarded in a civil action lawsuit against the DPRK, I know what it is like to come from humble beginnings. Having amassed a small fortune selling Kirby vaccuum cleaners and putting myself through high school I started my career in politics as a senior congressional custodian. I later became an avid golfer and political commentator best known for yelling at Rush while listening to his show on my morning commute. My message is simple "I'm going to make America great again, I'll make your sex lives so amazing and your children will be respecful once again. I'm going to get the best people to do the best job of making us the best and things will be better. Unicorns & dragons WILL be real! Taxes will be abolished and knobs will be polished and people are gonna love us!" I will not accept any money or support or votes from anyone! America!
Now that there was funny!
Could have been worse. Could have been better. Nobody surprised, much. Almost nothing about the debt. Absolutely nothing about Obamacare. Cruz disappointing yet again by being too wonky.
Let's see how it plays in the MSM tonight, tomorrow.
Absolutely nothing about total fascist Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) . Nothing to say? It threatens the sovereignty of participating Nations, the Nations' laws and standards, health and environment, food safety; will impoverish the citizens to enrich yet again corporations.
Cruz is a whack job.
American Exceptionalsm featured prominent, ignorant of the evil deeds done as an EVIL EMPIRE.
Most candidates dangerous to the World with their agressive ignorant posturing.
It would have been amusing if one of the second tier candidates would have started off with an eloquent and passionate endorsement of Hillary Clinton's defense of woman who are not taken seriously when they are abused and exploited by sexual predators.
That candidate would have made a big splash in the debates AND given the talking heads more fodder to talk about Hill and Bill's hypocrisy.
That fucker jed B can take all the anchor babies and move them into his house.
If these bleeding liberal a holes want them here so bad, lets start docking all government employees pay check, healthcare benefits and retirement contributions to pay for what it's costing us out of pocket and jobs.
I'm done paying for government employees, government kick backs, planned chop shop, UN, IMF, foreign bribes, corporate welfare and Illegal Aliens. Enough is enough.
Now I do Have a suggestion to get this country's small business back on track.
Trump should come out with a plan to give a tax break for a period of 5 years to anyone who invest in small business as a partner in that business. Something similar to crowd funding, but with a smaller one time fee .5 - 1%. I Might be willing to let the city or county tax authority run it and collect the fee, but not the feds or state. The more competition in government the better.
I have a plan already to go. All I need is for the government to either do something like this or die.
yes, city and county but get the fuck out state and fed... they do a shit job on most of the roads anyway
Pretty good post. However, you said "I Might be willing to let the city or county tax authority run it and collect the fee". I guess you never lived in Chicago!
Open Source Software for President.
Great roundup ZH.
Best moment of the night...Ever ready and Humble.
Ben Carson was the clear winner. Unlike the hysterical also-rans on stage, he's calm, thoughtful, deliberative and we could use more of his strong John Wayne-style slow talking smoothness
Fiorina and Carson are 'tokens'. Like on Southpark.
They are there to prove that R's are not racist or sexist. The r's have their Obama and their Hitlery.
One unknown, and one who's had a great track record of failure.
It's like a bizarro mirror.
They're all on the take.
But I'd vote Trump (if i voted) just to throw a monkey wrench in the works and break it down that much faster.
Nothing is going to even start to get better int his country until the government goes the way of the dodo bird.
And along with it, most of the free shit army and the SJW army. Decimation isn't good enough for them.
We're talking annihilation here.
The only thing that this farcical debate was good for was inducing uncontrollable vomiting of a viewer.
Here are the truly important issues that were never talked about there.
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/notes-on-buddy-politics/
My vote would be for Carly, I think it would be interesting to see someone with Down's Syndrome as President.
36 years wasn't long enough?
Haha, that's funny.. :) Actually I take back what I said and I apologise for any offence to people with Down's Syndrome. I had an ex girlfriend whos brother had Downs and he had a really good sense of humour, he could look at something and just draw it (Very well) and he was as strong as an Ox.
What I should of said was that Carly is a filthy, fucking, skank whore bitch, who I hope ends up getting raped in the desert by the 'Moderates' and left for dead in the baking sun, the dirty old bitch.
wow, you managed to out-do your original no-class post
I laughed so hard I pooped. I'm not sure why C Fap gets all your unbridled contempt but, either way, that shit was funny and, at the same time, uncomfortable as I was still wearing my britches.
You must be the village idiot!
Says the dumb cunt who posts everything twice!
You must be the village idiot!
Sheesh. Loafer-grabbin' Lindsay would have us at war with Fiji five minutes after the swearing in.
Except for RP and The Donald, this is one tragic collection of witless ass-hats.
In the midst of all my bitching, you might have noticed that I never complain about politicians. I leave that to others. And there's no shortage of volunteers; everyone complains about politicians. Everyone says they suck.
But where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky; they don't pass through a membrane from a separate reality. They come from American homes, American families, American schools, American churches, and American businesses. And they're elected by American voters. This is what our system produces, folks. This is the best we can do. Let's face it, we have very little to work with. Garbage in, garbage out.
Ignorant citizens elect ignorant leaders, it's as simple as that. And term limits don't help. All you do is get a new bunch of ignorant leaders.
So maybe it's not the politicians who suck; maybe it's something else. Like the public. That would be a nice realistic campaign slogan for somebody: "The public sucks. Elect me." Put the blame where it belongs: on the people.
Because if everything is really the fault of politicians, where are all the bright, honest, intelligent Americans who are ready to step in and replace them? Where are these people hiding? The truth is, we don't have people like that. Everyone's at the mall, scratching his balls and buying sneakers with lights in them. And complaining about the politicians.
For myself, I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way. On Election Day, I stay home. Two reasons: first of all, voting is meaningless; this country was bought and paid for a long time ago. That empty shit they shuffle around and repackage every four years doesn't mean a thing.
Second, I don't vote, because I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. I know some people like to twist that around and say, "If you don't vote, you have no right to complain." But where's the logic in that? Think it through: If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and you screw things up, then you're responsible for what they've done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain.
I, on the other hand, who did not vote—who, in fact, did not even leave the house on Election Day—am in no way responsible for what these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created. Which I had nothing to do with. Why can't people see that?
Now, I realize last year you folks had another one of those really swell presidential elections you treasure so much. That was nice. I'm sure you had a good time, and I'm sure that everyone's life has now improved. But I'm happy to say that on Election Day I stayed home. And I did essentially what you did. The only difference is when I got finished masturbating I had something to show for it.
George Carlin
His words never rang more true than they do today.
Ignorant citizens elect ignorant leaders, it's as simple as that.
We elect representatives and administrators. We don't elect leaders.
Oh, I hear that, withglee....You certainly DON'T elect LEADERS.
Representative democracy is the problem because politians are self-serving, corrupt liars. Politians should be administrators ensuring existing laws are being complied with, and develop changes and ideas to address problems. Final decisions should be approved by the people by a vote/referendum. Nothing will change until there is a Direct Democracy.
I have the video of George Carlin saying that. I bring it up and watch it every time I think about voting, which I rarely do. It sets my mind straight.
Reality TV at its best! quite enjoyable. better than watching Reid/McConnell show where nothing happens...
Fiorina is an outsourcing piece of shit.
Trump in '16!
I would vote her Most Likely to Send Our Kids to War. Plus, she has a horse face.
You should poll some former Lucent and HP/Compaq workers.
How do these repeat consumate failures and criminals attain this 'electable' status?
Does this mean that most of the voting public sees themselves in the candidates offered by the MSM.
Yes. By George it does.
Don't consent. Don't vote.
Fuck em all with a rusty T post.
"Carson: our children will have no future if...."
Not if. 18 trillion in debt and 200+ in unfunded liabilities. Our banking system has already stolen their future.
It's happening!
We are at peak shilling as the debate proved.
Voice of truth in a world of bullshit.
https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/644346473304453120?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Nobody is qualified to "have their finger on the nuclear button".
Debate needed more cowbell.
Theater of the Absurd.
They need to add the most important question of all: Which one of you will give the most amount of money to israel and the greater israel genocide?
Americans dont think that way anymore. They only want to know who will give ME more free stuff
Why do so many people WANT to become the captain of the Titanic?....
Lots o'money in salvage operations.
IT's the power, glory, great cigars, Booze, travel, food, luxuries, etc.
Power seekers have an inverse morality. The worse things get, the more chances to exercise power. That's what makes the next generation of office holders so dangerous.
Though I don't vote, Trump would be my choice for next president, only for the entertainment value. Fiorina could turn out of be his running mate if she holds up.
I am more likely to be killed on a Chicago tollway than by a "terrorist."
I am more likely to be taxed to death than paid any serious attention to by a politician.
I am more likely to read a storefront sign in Spanish in my suburb than in English.
I am more likely to understand why all our government programs are underfunded and we need to import illegal immigrants to do menial jobs because we have slaughtered 50 million in the womb, mostly black, since 1973. I will let all you financial wizards do the math on that as the 1974 murdered could be grandparents by now.
I am more likely to be hit by lightening than to believe that anyone on that stage has any interest in ridding us of the government megalopoly our nation has become. Like a snake eating its tail.
I D R M C. I don't recognize my country. Want a leader? 14 percent flat tax. Consumption. Boom. No sales tax for local governments, currently 8.25 where I live. Your 11 dollar Burger King lunch is now almost 12 dollars. It adds up.
All government jobs to be paid market rate for same professions in private sector. Retirement to be at 67 just like the private sector. If age limitations come into effect, I E secret service, military,, some exceptions.
Corporate taxes, no loopholes, 14%. You think you don't pay for corportate taxes when you purchase their finished product or service?
It has to start locally people. No one on that stage has all the right answers. The true powers that be can't be seen. Ask JFK.
Sound money? End the Fed? Not in our lifetime but you can take back your local governments, school boards etc.
WE have a school district striking here locally. Reason for strike? 3% annually for raises is not enough. They want 4%. Where does that money come from? Anyone here getting 4 percent raises the next three years. Pensions and golden insurance coverage until you die after you leave work? Didn't think so.
Every where we look is F ed up. We could fix this. It would take all of us. Everyone reading this has different skills. Everyone reading this knows what is Bullshit when we see it or you wouldn't spend your time and energy caring aobut what we see all around us. There are few countries on earth with the natural resources, the people , the energy and the potential to be great. How to you measure greatness? It may be different than how I measure greatness but I do know this. We have to work. We have to demand more from our government. It is our responsibility to affect change.
Before all the red arrows, I was campaign manager for a friend who ran for city council. Pro business, less gov regs. city of 110 K. Not Mayberry. We are still outnumbered of a council of 7 by a 4 to 3 count but we are working on it.
We have to take the government back. I work 6 days a week. I have no time to run for office but I did what I could. We can all do more. Look around. Conditions won't change themselves and we didnt get here in a day. We can fix this. Do your part. of the people, BY the people, and FOR the people. Maybe two people on that stage are FOR the people.
You're part of the problem. The system isn't broken, so quit trying to fix it. The system is evil, and all the shit we bitch about are features, not flaws. You wanna do something? Stop contributing. Stop feeding the beast. You're working 6 days a week? What the fuck... quit your job. Don't give those bastards one more second of your labor. Get to know your kids while they're still young.
There's no point in trying to fix a system that is custom designed to enslave us. I doubt like hell we can destroy it. The single best thing we can do is hand it divorce papers.
It only shows the world how utterly sick America has become.
This was the second installment of the Donald Trump Show aka the great Republican “Debate”/ village idiot’s convention.
Anybody else see Carly's facial tic when Donald told her how beautiful she was?? She just about didn't hold back the rage... What's the saying about a "woman's scorn"?
Carly is an attractive, stylish woman .... like so many Republican women are .... (think Hillary and Whoopi Goldberg) .... I´m sure it helped her at HP .... how does her balance sheet stack up to the Donald's ?
Anyone that watched the debate does not have a life. What a waste of time.
Funny let's play "spot the zionist looters"
Who supports criminal invasion and fighting wars for foreign property acquisition gratis?
To me Fiorina came across as a warmongering idiot, especially when she mentioned building new planes & ships for the military to have the strongest military in the world, the strongest military in the world is a liability if your country is bankrupt and full of hostile and illegal aliens.
Our military is a tool for citizen immigration liability and national debt, not security.
Trump has mastered .... the art of being likeable .... and that is substance !
He is not likeable. He's a rude, pompous ass.
Rush has an exuberant, exceptional personality .... I love 'em both ?
Pat Paulson 2016
I got news for War-Pig Carly - the 6th fleet will be french-kissed by Sunburst and similar missiles - see 'ya suckers.....
I like Fiorina and Carson. I find the whole fascination with Trimp to be similar to the psychological enjoyment of being able to say (nearly) anything you one want at any time - kinda like reasons people like Howard Stern or the overriding atmosphere here in ZH. It has its benefits but most know its allowable in certain circles. And maybe his anti-PC fans feel the need to widen rhis circle - but will it work on the world stage?
Trumps popularity is evidence the silly season is still in effect. Unfortunately, the silly season never ended when Obama was running.
How cool Obama was suppose to be. And what a disaster he has been.
I liked Fiorina right up to the time she turned into MIC loving war mongerer. Not so much anymore.
Yeah that was a shock to me. She made McCain sound like a dove.
I am all in pro- Israel .... but Howard Stern is a talentless, trash mouthed Kike .... every year when I negotiate my Sirius radio .... he helps me make my case .... and gay radio ads on Old Time Radio, also helps me get a lower yearly subscription .... you don't just pay whatever they ask for .... do you ?
I don't have Sirius Radio. I don't even have a cell phone. Its not how I want to live my life.
I didn't watch, so shouldn't comment, but are any of these 11 azzholes NOT zionist looting MIC loving immigration loving asshats? If so, let me know which one and I might consider voting for him/her.
The cast of candidates look they were hired by a committee of oligarchs in exchange for political favors downstream. The diversity is too broad to be an accident. That's why I'm not convinced Trump is not serious about wanting to be president.
If my suspicions are correct, Bush and Clinton will be the party nominees with Hillary the next president.
To 2handsam and I am part of the problem. "Quite your job , spend time getting to know your kids." I have worked and paid taxes for 46 years. I have 5 grandkids and one on the way. I know my kids just fine. They know themselves just fine too!
It is my grandkids that need to live with the consequences. So unless you have something to say other than fuck them all and quit paying I would say if you have a roof over your head you are paying taxes too.
Quit working! Yup ! That'll fix it all I am sure