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"Truthful" Trump, "Calm" Carson & The Naysaying-Nine - 2nd Republican Debate Live Feed
And then there were eleven (in tonight's main event). With everyone ready to rumble with The Donald, Carson ever-so-quietly gaining ground, and Fiorina showing face alongside the men, tonight's Round Two of the Republican Presidential Nomination debate should be full of fireworks. Trump is odds-on to have the most to say but all eyes will likely be on CNN's anchors (and whether they go full Megyn Kelly), just what will Trump say, the rematch of Rand vs Christie, and of course the mano-a-womano Trump-Fiorina slam, especially after President Obama said there is "nothing patriotic about talking down America," or, it appears, telling the truth. Grab some popcorn...
The frantic fifteen...(Note - Santorum, Jindal, Pataki, Graham were all demoted to the under-card debate earlier at 6pmET)
And the front-runners...
Trump tops the Searches...
CNN explains the rules - no biting, no punching below the waist...
Live Stream (via CNN)... (click image for link to CNN feed - no embed provided)
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And do not forget to fill out your Bingo Card...
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NBC News offers A Viewer's Guide to Tonight's Debate
Given just how much has changed in the GOP race after the first debate and given the upcoming end to the fundraising quarter (Sept. 30!), the pressure is on for the 11 Republican candidates to perform at tonight's second debate in California at 8:00 pm ET. We'll find out which of the second-tier candidates (who all thought they'd be first tier by now) moves up or falls back. Think Walker, Paul, Rubio, Christie, Huckabee, and Kasich. Here's what each candidate needs to do:
- Donald Trump: He needs to keep defying political gravity. Once again, he's probably going to feel like Bruce Lee in a Kung Fu movie -- with everyone (opponents, moderators) coming after him. Can he fend them off once again? He's also a candidate in need of a second act (we think). Can he put some policy meat on the bones?
- Ben Carson: Can the mild-mannered Carson keep the momentum he has in the polls? Once you lose it, you often don't get it back. And this is his first time FRONT and CENTER. So he can't just disappear for periods of a time, even if he wants to.
- Jeb Bush: Tagged as Mr. Low Energy by Trump, Jeb needs to be able to flex his muscles -- especially with Republicans looking to see how he might fare against Hillary. He also should be prepared for other candidates NOT named Trump to come after him as a way to show off their OWN anti-establishment bona fides.
- Marco Rubio: Maybe no one had a better debate last time around but so little to show for it afterward. He might be the most talented unscripted pol in the stage. Can he show it again?
- Scott Walker: Maybe no one needs a strong performance more than Walker does. From first or second in the polls to 10th place, Walker needs to turn things around ASAP. As aides told NBC's Kelly O'Donnell: "If he gets the chance to mix it up, he's going to" do that.
- Carly Fiorina: Like Carson, she needs to keep her momentum. And with a likely clash coming with Trump, she can't back down. (As she told CNBC's John Harwood: "Mr. Trump's going to be hearing quite a lot from me.")
- Ted Cruz: As he's become Robin to Trump's Batman, can Cruz steal the spotlight, especially with a possible government shutdown looming?
- Mike Huckabee: He sure got his Kim Davis moment a few days ago (and largely shut out Cruz from sharing the stage). With a Davis question likely coming, can Huckabee demonstrate, like he did in 2007-2008, that he still has what it takes to be the GOP's best debate performer?
- Rand Paul: Paul was definitely feisty in the first debate, but it didn't get much traction. What does he do to stand out this time? Like Walker, he's a candidate who, financially speaking, badly needs a good showing.
- John Kasich: His advertising push in New Hampshire has paid dividends so far. Can he use this debate to catapult himself in the national polls, too?
- Chris Christie: In addition to Walker, Christie needs a strong performance -- just to avoid being left out of the conversation heading into October's third GOP debate.
And, as we noted previously, while initial denial by virtually everyone, especially the so-called pundits none of whom anticipated Trump's unprecedented surge in the polls, turned slowly into much publicized anger, now comes the bargaining phase, and as Bloomberg political commentator Mark Halperin who admits spending "about 60 percent of my waking hours talking about Donald Trump" explores, the panicked GOP establishment is now scrambling to find ways to "stop" the Trump Juggernaut.
According to him, the core GOP and especially his republicans contenders, may attack Trump through four possible frames:
- Trump can’t be trusted because he is an egomaniac with a bad character.
- Trump is a liberal and unprincipled.
- Trump is not close to being fit to be a serious president or commander-in-chief.
- Trump is a politician, not a businessman/outsider.
But what Trump (and every GOP establishmentarian) really cares about...
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That's so cruel to marginalize George Pataki.
God, I hope The Donald rips everybody new ones and skyrocket to new popularity heights.
This is a one horse race.
Maybe you are think of ass, not horse? Amerikansky political theater is now maybe so tedious!
Every picture I ever see about Trump shows him looking like one of the old crank-calling Jerky Boys album covers from the 80s... tongue hanging out in a rage.
http://thejerkyboys.com/ocart/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=58
Once You Go Black You Never Go Back
Carson 2016
I hope one of these hosts actually asks a tough, relevant, intelligent question like, "Why do you think the Iraq War was a success?"
let Bush answer first.
Does Ted Cruz's American Flag pin share a flag with Israel, Canada or what the fuck?
I would never vote for any of these douche bags anyway, but listening to him talk(cruz) he sounds so phony. I can't decide if he sounds like a really shitty actor on a B grade movie, or a slimy used car salesman. But he definitely sounds like he is just saying a scripted response that he thinks people want ot hear, not what he actually thinks.
Here's some Trump weirdness, presented without comment.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CXQZlWZvQpU
Google: stillson for president, and the first image result is Ted Cruz.
Four weeks...really?
For the love of G-d people, just tune in.
If you don't, CNN will become a home shopping network.
#world's most important shopping network.
These pussies are starting to piss me off. "W kept us safe" maybe after the towers fell, not before. Hell, even after he fucked up so bad it still makes me sick. Iraq? What the fuck was that!
"After the towers fell I was afraid whenever a plane flew over." Fucking pussy! Shows some backbone you cowardly piece of shit!
Dad was watching the debate and I overheard Rand Paul saying "I will not send our sons our daughters into harm's way except to fight some blah blah blah adversary....", etc.
A lineup of loser statists.
Couldn't stand hearing the same ol' tired stuff - I moved my ass upstairs.
Uh oh, Carson just lost us, "vaccinations do not cause autism", big pharma writing you checks Ben?
Thanks team, you saved me a Google search to find out who this guy really is. As if I would ever find anyone with a shred of decency and honesty persuing the presidency. I should backhand myself for silly wishful thinking. Ron Paul was the last hope.
Miffed
weirdness was already a comment
@ TeamDepends.
Watched the clip. Thought it was tasteless of Trump to be talking about re-building so soon after the attack and his comments were just a regurgitation of mind control trauma script that was dumped into everyone's brain from the MSM immediately after the attack. 20/20 hindsight makes it seems like he's part of the script but he's just another actor not even knowing he's reading a script.
The lighting was weird: high key light from the upper right with dark shadows in the foreground which in retrospect of seeing past examples of green screen fakery may suggest that but I believe the lighting is organic and there was no background projection. It was just late in the day with natural dark shadows for that time of year IMO.
Wrt to the Illuminati symbolism of One World Trade Center it is indeed rife with examples. The video should have focused on that. Trump is topical now but should not be conflated with those psychos based on such little evidence or suggestion. The Internet needs many filters and offers many considerations.
Totally agree, I just cringe every time the guy talks.
Do people still think it matters what these liars say ? Really ?
Do people still think they count their 'votes' or that it matters what liar they vote for ? Really ?
I just finished watching the debate and WOW!!! was that inspiring!!!
Any one of these candidates could be president! I really liked what they had to say. Especially when they debated foreign policy. Right on the money.
Look, I know we're all a little bit jaded with politics, but all I can say is that we have so many qualified candidates that you shouldn't be ashamed to stand up and say YES! I believe. This country will be great again right after we elect a good qualified no-nonsense individual to the Oval Office. Remember, your vote counts so stay tuned.
I live in NJ... the state that voted against Lincoln twice. The only chance a conservative has to get these few electoral votes is if someone akin to Mao or Stalin is running. I'm out.
In the question about putting the image of a woman on the US currency Cruz emphasized that Hamilton must remain...being a founding father. Guess he meant father of the first private central bank as there are other figures on the currency with a similar historical pedigree.
Probably tells you all you need to know about Cruz' grassroots constituency
You mean nobody out there in their right mind will go back to vote for Barry again?
I was thinking more along the lines of Bill Plympton (but definitely a consistent style, always with the mouth frozen on the "F" in "You're Fired!").
http://comicsgrinder.com/2012/07/20/comic-con-2012-bill-plympton/
The world desperately needs Donald "Fuck You" Trump.
I've come to the conclusion that the world is a safer place for me if there is an aggressive pathological-egomaniac commanding the most powerful military on earth.
Under any other scenario there are literally dozens of emboldened regional powers seizing neighbouring countries, building new island airbases, funding extreme terrorists, conducting piracy, the list goes on and on. These guys are all at it because they know Obama is as weak as piss.
Bring back George Bush and Dick "in your face" Cheney, all is forgiven.
Wow... you do realize that the puppetmasters don't change when the puppets do, right? Obama gets his orders from the same people Bush did, which are the same assholes who will give Trump his.
Has it occurs to you that by hating Obama you play into their hands? That's his job: to be blamed while the real perps get off scot free. The puppets are not worth hating.
That's just a bullshit cop out.
Obama screwed up when he started drawing red lines and Putin called his bluff 3 times.
Obama has no authority outside of US, he is a straw dog. This won't be true of a GOP president.
You are good at satire.
"I've come to the conclusion that the world is a safer place for me if there is an aggressive pathological-egomaniac commanding the most powerful military on earth"
You mean like Germany circa 1930's???
Mr,... SCOTT!
I, can't, BELEIVEIT, MISTER!
The,... PRIMEDIRECTIVE says that we, CAN'T, interfere... in the indigenous planetary inhabitants' socio-economic development.
Are you actually stating that we should beam, down, a CLONE of... (questioning, deep look)...
SPOCK?
(Captain, I believe Lt. Commander Scott was referring to a dictator at the time of this great war that your planet experienced, and if I might offer a suggestion, ...)
What are you saying, Spock? That we beam down a clone of Stalin, or Mussolini, or Roosevelt, or, or,...?
(NO, Captain. Mr. Scott was referring to one of the greatest dictators of all time in the galaxy. Far worse than those you mention.)
DO YOU MEAN...
(Yes, Jim. Dr. McCoy still has the genome sequencing stored on his medical computer terminal. It WOULD be possible to re-create 'the Donald', right down to the fake hairpeice...)
They, call, them, Toupees', in the early 21st century, Mr. Spock. (thinking, and beginning to smile)...
Would it be possible to re-create 'the Donald' with the same hair color as that OTHER dictator, Adolf Shickelgruber?
(I shall attempt to calculate the odds, Captain. Random chance is never 'random'.)
SPOCK! I'd settle for a 'Soetoro' right now...
(Why, Captain! I never KNEW you were 'one of the Tribe'.) (sardonic eyebrow raising)
FADE FOR COMMERCIAL, and CLOSE-UP on 'MR. SCOTT', beginning to smile, watching primitive broadcasts of VHF from the planet, and carly Fiorina is defending the massive layoffs at H.P.
"Obama screwed up when he started drawing red lines and Putin called his bluff 3 times."
lol...the best part of Obama dripped down his momma's leg. It just is what it is, you should have seen that going in, his "claim to fame" was being an Alinsky agitator, someone who sat on a board that sucked millions from the Annenburg Foundation for troubled black yout's in Chicago and THE most "liberal" one term senator EVAH!
Did I mention he's also a Black Nationalist who are (for the most part) Communists?.
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And this is objectionable to someone too, on what grounds?...it's ALL true, leaving aside Bernie Sanders ;-)
LOL, so true
I can HARDLY BELIEVE this shit show goes on for more than a year before we find out Hillary won.
We had 200+ years of white guys. Now we get 200 years of minorities, gay/les/tranny. It's only fair. White guys to the back of the bus for 200 years. Sarc or sick truth?
Zhirinovsky 2016
Carly is a bitch...
..just saying.
Even money he bites the head off a bat tonight on live TV.
You are confuse reality TV star. Maybe Ozzie is good replacement host for "Apprentice, The"?
"You're Hired!"
this shit is nauseating. Its like they are all trying to one-up each other on who would start another war first.
It's what you get with the run of the mill political ops...Deep State Ops.
Bush keeps bringing up Regan. He is like a broken record. Nauseating. He just said he would hire advisors from his brother's and father's administrations. Geez!!!
yep. from the same people who brought you the war in Iraq, we bring you the new and improved war in Iran....trust us, it will be a walk in the park, they will welcome us as liberators.
And a few months later there will be a ceremony on a ship, in an undisclosed location in the North Atlantic, announcing:
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Same shit, different day, new presidential candidates.
/r (end rant)
Carly Fiorina has bats under her skirt – see the lump?
Bats are cool.
I am buying the first rnd at the bar
Boris is write novel of force of socialism and industrialism, and is create mysterious plot, "who is Jim Gilmore"?
Welcome back, Boris.
who is jim gilmore, lol +1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etvNHZx_Bb4
This is YUUUGE!...lol.
Each time he says that you drink.
lol
Every time he says " folks" I have to. The other choice will land me in jail.
Miffed;-)
" Lets make our country great again! "
I can tell ya right now, that won't happen with ten of those candidates.
You a Jeb! guy?
http://www.theburningplatform.com/2015/09/16/gop-debate-drinking-game/
here ya go, the drinking game. While I am drinking, Im not following the rules, because my wife will beat me if I get as drunk as i would following the rules. Everytime something on the list pops up I point it out, and they pop up A LOT
M e t e o r i c !
Anyone ever notice meteors don't rise, they fall.
#41
Similar to a meteor in speed, brilliance, or brevity: a meteoric rise to fame.
-Teh Finn(never understood signing a comment when your name is already attached...)
Need Moar Scotch
(and bath salts)
Jeb please speak Spanish. I can't fucking understand your English
"It's an act of luuuv."
Jeb reminds me of Bubbles from the trailer park boys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf45Sxlg7Lk
Its just a big kitty boys........
or do you mean bubbles when Conky is around? That msy be more like it
Ted Cruz: As he's become Robin to Trump's Batman, can Cruz steal the spotlight, especially with a possible government shutdown looming?
I got you pork spendin assholes right here in my sights, NBC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaZGaJrd3x8
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So what's the deal with my downvoter, don't like bacon, love pork spending, hate Cruz calling a semi a "machine gun" and laughing his ass off at you or what? ;-)
Was that Sarah Jessica Parker?
Horseface.
if sarah jessica parker and john kerry had a child, it could win the triple crown.
"I'll take this on"
They are clearly teamed up.
Ooooo! Trump was speaking from a battleship...looking like the Commander-In-Chief! Problem is he is not the Commander-In-Chief and has never served in the armed forces. Y'all bitchez got played again!!!
Name the last US president that actually did serve.
President Obama. Ah, ha, ha…. And he’s still on his mission. Hell, yea. Pulled the wool over them GOP’ers eyes.
Fuck those vermin politicians. I served, did you?
well then run for fucken president.
Yes, I served, isn't it amazing what a young indestructible , testosterone laden male will do? I was stupid, I should have demanded that the Johnsons, Nixons and that sawed off fat fuck Kissinger report to Ft. Campbell with me.
I believe it was H.W.....
Some will say W, but he was a deserter.
Every one of them. As Commander in Chief. How about that?
Meh. They don't have to go thru boot to take the job; so that doesn't count.
"Name the last US president that actually did serve. "
Reserve, combat, or on a perpetual awol coke binge ?
Well it's looks like it will be Bernie Sanders vs. Donald Trump in 2016. In other words.... WE'RE DOOMED
Worse than Obama vs. Romney, Obama vs. McCain, Bush vs. Kerrie? They're all worse.
It looks like Trump took a dive tonight in the second half. He was very quiet and ignored for the most part, and then in the commentary after said everybody was good (i.e. gold star for everyone!).
No jabs, nothing entertaining. Trump needs attention to float, otherwise he sinks.
Trump's leash got tightened, and the attention he garnered was transferred to other candidates tonight.
This is a joke
Dang is Carly related to McCain?
Her obsessiveness is scary.
Walker is a cunt
Has Aquabuddha hung himself with his smarmy doublespeak yet?
Carley rode Lucent Technology into HP, and completely fucked it up!
The tremors were already shaking 5 years ago. Carly Fiorina's troubling telecom past - Fortune
Rand is the only calm head tonight ..... dad's happy.
Send cash.
Notice how they cut away, or only give him a split screen, lots of jumping around while he was talkin and I suspect they would cut away to someone rolling their eyes no matter what he was saying. They didn't do that with anybody else. Carly could have been rolling her eyes at something Trump said for all I know.
Ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!
Damnit, now they're gonna shut this place down!
I take it these humans have not gone through a psychological evaluation eh?
Yeah, they all aced the "Genuine Psychopath" test. Why else would they be there?
Marco needs a bottle of water. Cruz sounds like a bad Johnny Carson impersonator.
cnn has the heat on. everybody looking like nixon. classic cnn
They don't have the heat on...Trump has teh olde guard GOP establishment sweating.
Trump should walk over to Carson, team-up then leave the debate.
Trump/Carson 2016.......
It's the best of that field - I liked rand Paul, but he compromised too much and made himself irrelevant. I miss his dad.
Carson/Kisinich or Carson/Rubio or Carson/?
The republicans need Florida and/or Ohio.
The leader we oick will be the best that will organize after the collapse, not lead us out,
yeah, i get the fact that our vote is a farce. and i get that there is no way to fix it. i get all that. but a shit-ton of folks stood up like men instead of waah waahing to get us to where we could even have that vote, so lets get out the duct tape and fix this. we need men to stand up with balls, not run with shit staining their pants. we need hope, and gods help, and hard work to fix this. so here's to trying
Hope is for fools, and there is no god.
Besides, who wants to fix this fucked up cesspool? I want to do destroy it, although I know I'll never get that chance.
This is what they should be talking about:
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/notes-on-buddy-politics/
I think Trump is playing this situation eloquently.
Let the sharks eat themselves.
The biggest mistake the candidates are making, is that they're focusing on micro issues.
They need to focus on the macro issues, that create the micro issues.
I don't care about so called "track records".
I see the bullshit every week when I look at un-employment rate vs the labor participation rate. 39 year lows
Whoa, the skirt called for revolution!
If Christie would only donate his own body parts ... there's so much to go around.
Jeb! (tm) has $300 million waiting to unload on Trump in the various upcoming primaries. We are probably going to learn a few new profanities. These "debates" will be long forgotten. (Unless Trump beats the shit out of Jeb, are they standing next to each other?)
If Trump really wants to look moar presidential, he should paint his bald spot...er, I mean paint his 757 to look like Air Force One. Then he'll really look like the Commander-In-Chief! Voters are stupid enough to believe it.
The under 30 crowd wouldn't know Air Force One from an F-15.
Amurica! Oh Lord this is great theater.
Trump for Ringmaster 2016! Makes as much sense as anything else!
Bush's wife is out there doing table dances. ‘Columba the Kitten’
I can't bring myself to watch this shit-show. Bread and circuses. That's all this is.
Are you not entertained!
What we really need is to get Crazy Uncle Joe into the mix, Plan B!...lmao!!!
Fucking Joe Biden. What a crook and lecherous old man.....and very possibly our next fearless leader. We are so fucked........
The potential instability via behavior and inability or refusal of Trump to articulate specifics should concern anyone.
The attention on the Presidency and neglect of a corrupt Congress should be a sign that We don't have a clue.
All of this debate is the same tired clichés recycled.
Welcome to politics ToSoft4Truth(sic)!
Just wait until the Democrat debates...if Satan's Poodle ever lets anybody ask Hillary a question that is.
Carly, the WAR-PIG... whadda bitch.....
Anyone notice the horns on Jeb's reflection off the airplane?
Spooky....
Trump seems a bit limp.
What's up with the B.S. time delay on Trumph comments?
CNN= shadow puppet theatre.
Hey Carly. You're completly full of shit! HP is wreck of a company.
Have you looked at the earnings statements lately?
Bad Management!
How's "bridge gate" treating you Chris Jersey Boy?
Care to comment?
Trump says he won't take money and he has spent his own, so he owes nobody.
People like that....until you realize that he is buying this office.
I'm not sure which is worse.
Trump is insolvent and has keys to his bank creditors' vaults.
liberals are total fucking pieces of shit. how can anyone disagree
Because your pea-brained hatred is endlessly chasing a false demographic.
U didn't look at worker abuse in the USA or whatever country you live in?
200 years to get US Worker Rights seems a useless struggle and yet you work and enjoy those benefits today?
WTF? U think a short blanket statement covers it all, huh?
Oh, it is black and white. lol. Child labor, working 6 days a week without breaks to buy produce and goods for the household, without over time, without holiday pay, without child labor protection, without night-time differential...
You get higher pay from worker rights passed by the federal government, will you give those up now that you are educated, skilled, journeyman, and maybe have no kids or wife that works? Hey you can have your wife work for shit pay and then prove you are the man. Maybe you will give up your later kids to work for an indentured bond or for a craftsman so you don't have to pay to feed and clothe them.
Don't worry about the Safety of Plants, Mining, Drilling, factories where your kids will work... well since you are fascist.
Ever heard of the Triangle Fire in NYC?
- Really? There was no need for Worker Rights in the USA?
- Really? Capitalist always take care of their workers like Patrons in a Hacienda? Are you the Lord of your Workers? Do you define the Democracy/Government/Religion of your people?
Pataki is the epitome of political shills.
18 years of publically recognizing ineffective "back room deals". You're a fucking clown Pataki.
Have fun sucking Andrew Cuomo off later.
What the flying fuck is Pataki doing anyway?
Fucking Mister Irrelevant a la the last pick in the National Felon Football League....
Asinine.
Get the fuck out of the "race" George; Not enough people even know who the fuck you are; the low-info KraptrashianIdolville public in the least.
Get
The Fuck
OUT!
Funded by Elites as an Alternative??
- Yes, why not?
Fuck this shit-show.
I already know who I am voting for...
NONE OF THE DAMNED ABOVE!
Marco Rubio is a "non issue" Donald.
Why does the senate have an approval rating under 20%?
Marco Rubio lacks the patience and gravitas to lead a country.
What would happen if you only ate Chick-fil-A product every day for a month?
Ohh gawd Jeb is using the terrorist card.
I thought "Twisted Sisters" was a rock group.
Is Pat Paulson still alive? He may be better than most of the rtards.
Trump vs Carson - the wedge to split the GOP yet again. They aren't the stupid party for nothing.
Trump as ever remains unapologetic about the racist nature of his remarks, unreflective about a savage economic system that is destroying the planet and the lives of most of its inhabitants, and unaware of his own "criminal" participation in furthering a culture of fear and cruelty, he is typical of an expanding mass of pundits, anti-public intellectuals and right-wing fundamentalists who live in a historical void and for whom emotion overtakes reason. His call for a multibillion-dollar wall between Mexico and the United States is about more than a waste of resources; it is part of a discourse of punishment, cruelty and disposability that informs all totalitarian regimes. Trump may be incapable of understanding "the complex realities of immigration and immigration reform in the United States," but what he does understand is that pandering to fear and nativism resonates with the deepest impulses of racism, authoritarianism and fear.
Symptomatic for the ”intellectual” climate on ZH to see how many down-votes (and how few responses) your post have gotten.
I read this a Libertyblitzkrieg.com which resonates with what you’ve written:
“I harbor nostalgia for the days when Americans were merely ridiculed as being obese, McDonalds eating slobs ignorant of world affairs. We aren’t viewed with this combination of amusement and endearment any longer. Rather, the world now shudders with a mixture of disgust and horror in contemplation of what we have become. A decadent, clownish, wealth obsessed, corrupt, aggressive, war-mongering multitude of brainwashed imperial subjects. Worse yet, it’s not just ignorance anymore. There appears to be a idolization of anti-intellectualism running rampant, something on full display as of late with the ascendence of Donald Trump as a uniquely American strongman-savior. Not only is this stupid, it’s pathetic and dangerous. [my emphasis]” – Michael Krieger.
As a Dane I can confirm that the common (European) perspective on US have changed very much like Michael writes.
PS. Don’t be discouraged by the many down-votes – truth is not a democratic matter.
Living in the past is exactly what this country doesn't want!
We don't need to be policed, and the laws for illegal immigtation are already on the books.
I thought a controlled demolition might be what was planned, but know I know how completely lost, and full of shit our policy makers are.
Companies and institutions layer liability to find scapegoats and provide time/space for the criminals to Corzine themselves.
All you have to do is jail employers who hire illegals.
That will end this problem in a month.
Wrong. It will just force labor underground.
Civil asset forfeiture runamuk.
Policing new laws will destroy RD dollars, and creativity/inovation will be miss-directed.
Lower taxes and creating innovation through well placed STEM programs will create far more jobs.
Re-Educating highly intelligent individuals, would also be a step forward.
Some people just need some doors to be opened.
Drudge has trump on top at 61% Carly at16% the rest 5 or lower . Bush at1%
This whole thing is to keep Rand Paul out of the presidency. He has lost the most support.
The establishment is afraid that Rand is really Ron with a different strategy.
He is the only one who can be trusted to not bring more war and loss of liberties.
I don't trust any of the others.
Trump talks a good game on immigration but in reality he will just deport some bad ones.
He will take us to war with Iran which means WWll.
fools
R O F L!! AquaBuddha is on the gravy train man. He is no rock ribbed ideologue. He'll be just like his paw paw, taking in all that gubmint money while throwing JUST ENOUGH raw meat to keep his mouthbreathing supporters hanging overpass signs.
I agree . A rand guy myself. The field was stacked up to drown out a few to get bush in. Not working . The electorate is pissed want nothing of it . So it's trump
As bad as trump is defending himself the rest are just an embarrassment.
Not one of these guys has a handle on foreign issues. What started it, why are we there and what are we going to do about it now that the Obama administration the Dem and Rep have totally fucked it up.
All theses guys want to go to war with Russia except Trump, he want's to make a deal.
Have you forgotten that Rand Paul endorsed Shitt Romney over his dad last presidential race?