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U.S. Rejected Offers by Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria to Surrender … and Proceeded to Wage War
The Daily Mail reported last year:
A self-selected group of former top military officers, CIA insiders and think-tankers, declared Tuesday in Washington that a seven-month review of the deadly 2012 terrorist attack has determined that [Gaddafi offered to abdicate as leader of Libya.]
‘Gaddafi wasn’t a good guy, but he was being marginalized,’ [Retired Rear Admiral Chuck ] Kubic recalled. ‘Gaddafi actually offered to abdicate’ shortly after the beginning of a 2011 rebellion.
‘But the U.S. ignored his calls for a truce,’ the commission wrote, ultimately backing the horse that would later help kill a U.S. ambassador.
Kubic said that the effort at truce talks fell apart when the White House declined to let the Pentagon pursue it seriously.
‘We had a leader who had won the Nobel Peace Prize,’ Kubic said, ‘but who was unwilling to give peace a chance for 72 hours.’
The Washington Times wrote in January:
“I have been contacted by an intermediary in Libya who has indicated that President Muammar Gadhafi is willing to negotiate an end to the conflict under conditions which would seem to favor Administration policy,” [former U.S. Congressman Dennis] Kucinich wrote on Aug. 24.
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Mrs. Clinton ordered a general within the Pentagon to refuse to take a call with Gadhafi’s son Seif and other high-level members within the regime, to help negotiate a resolution, the secret recordings reveal.
A day later, on March 18, Gadhafi called for a cease-fire, another action the administration dismissed.
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“Everything I am getting from the State Department is that they do not care about being part of this. Secretary Clinton does not want to negotiate at all,” the Pentagon intelligence asset told Seif Gadhafi and his adviser on the recordings.
Communication was so torn between the Libyan regime and the State Department that they had no point of contact within the department to even communicate whether they were willing to accept the U.N.’s mandates, former Libyan officials said.
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“The decision to invade [Libya] had already been made, so everything coming out of the State Department at that time was to reinforce that decision,” the official explained, speaking only on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution.
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“The Libyans would stop all combat operations and withdraw all military forces to the outskirts of the cities and assume a defensive posture. Then to insure the credibility with the international community, the Libyans would accept recipients from the African Union to make sure the truce was honored,” Mr. Kubic said, describing the offers.
“[Gadhafi] came back and said he was willing to step down and permit a transition government, but he had two conditions,” Mr. Kubic said. “First was to insure there was a military force left over after he left Libya capable to go after al Qaeda. Secondly, he wanted to have the sanctions against him and his family and those loyal to him lifted and free passage. At that point in time, everybody thought that was reasonable.”
But not the State Department.
Gen. Ham was ordered to stand down two days after the negotiation began, Mr. Kubic said. The orders were given at the behest of the State Department, according to those familiar with the plan in the Pentagon. Gen. Ham declined to comment when questioned by The Times.
“If their goal was to get Gadhafi out of power, then why not give a 72-hour truce a try?” Mr. Kubic asked. “It wasn’t enough to get him out of power; they wanted him dead.”
Similarly, Saddam Hussein allegedly offered to let weapons inspectors in the country and to hold new elections. As the Guardian reported in 2003:
In the few weeks before its fall, Iraq’s Ba’athist regime made a series of increasingly desperate peace offers to Washington, promising to hold elections and even to allow US troops to search for banned weapons. But the advances were all rejected by the Bush administration, according to intermediaries involved in the talks.
Moreover, Saddam allegedly offered to leave Iraq:
“Fearing defeat, Saddam was prepared to go peacefully in return for £500million ($1billion)”.
“The extraordinary offer was revealed yesterday in a transcript of talks in February 2003 between George Bush and the then Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar at the President’s Texas ranch.”
“The White House refused to comment on the report last night. But, if verified, it is certain to raise questions in Washington and London over whether the costly four-year war could have been averted.”
According to the tapes, Bush told Aznar that whether Saddam was still in Iraq or not, “We’ll be in Baghdad by the end of March.” See also this and this.
Susan Lindauer (after reading an earlier version of this essay by Washington’s Blog) wrote:
That’s absolutely true about Saddam’s frantic officers to retire to a Villa in Tikrit before the invasion. Except he never demanded $1 BILLION (or $500 MILLION). He only asked for a private brigade of the Iraqi National Guard, which he compared to President Clinton’s Secret Service detail for life throughout retirement. I know that for a fact, because I myself was the back channel to the Iraqi Embassy at the U.N. in New York, who carried the message to Washington AND the United Nations General Assembly and Security Council. Kofi Annan was very much aware of it. So was Spain’s President Asnar. Those historical details were redacted from the history books when George Bush ordered my arrest on the Patriot Act as an “Iraqi Agent”– a political farce with no supporting evidence, except my passionate anti-war activism and urgent warnings that War in Iraq would uncover no WMDs, would fire up a violent and bloody counter-insurgency, and would result in Iran’s rise as a regional power. In 2007, the Senate Intelligence Committee hailed my warnings in Jan. 2003 (as the Chief Human Intelligence covering Iraq at the U.N.) to be one of the only bright spots in Pre-War Intelligence. Nevertheless, in 2005 and again in 2008, I was declared “incompetent to stand trial,” and threatened with “indefinite detention up to 10 years” on Carswell Air Force Base, in order to protect the cover up of Iraqi Pre-War Intelligence.
(The New York Times has covered Lindauer at least 5 times, including here and here.)
On October 14, 2001, the Taliban offered to hand over Osama bin Laden to a neutral country if the US halted bombing if the Taliban were given evidence of Bin Laden’s involvement in 9/11.
Specifically, the Guardian noted in 2001:
Returning to the White House after a weekend at Camp David, the president said the bombing would not stop, unless the ruling Taliban “turn [bin Laden] over, turn his cohorts over, turn any hostages they hold over.” He added, “There’s no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he’s guilty” …
Afghanistan’s deputy prime minister, Haji Abdul Kabir, told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US.
“If the Taliban is given evidence that Osama bin Laden is involved” and the bombing campaign stopped, “we would be ready to hand him over to a third country”, Mr Kabir added.
However, as the Guardian subsequently pointed out:
A senior Taliban minister has offered a last-minute deal to hand over Osama bin Laden during a secret visit to Islamabad, senior sources in Pakistan told the Guardian last night.
For the first time, the Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden for trial in a country other than the US without asking to see evidence first in return for a halt to the bombing, a source close to Pakistan’s military leadership said.
And the Guardian reports today:
Russia proposed more than three years ago that Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, could step down as part of a peace deal, according to a senior negotiator involved in back-channel discussions at the time.
Former Finnish president and Nobel peace prize laureate Martti Ahtisaari said western powers failed to seize on the proposal. Since it was made, in 2012, tens of thousands of people have been killed and millions uprooted, causing the world’s gravest refugee crisis since the second world war.
Ahtisaari held talks with envoys from the five permanent members of the UN security council in February 2012. He said that during those discussions, the Russian ambassador, Vitaly Churkin, laid out a three-point plan, which included a proposal for Assad to cede power at some point after peace talks had started between the regime and the opposition.
But he said that the US, Britain and France were so convinced that the Syrian dictator was about to fall, they ignored the proposal.
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“There was no question because I went back and asked him a second time,” he said, noting that Churkin had just returned from a trip to Moscow and there seemed little doubt he was raising the proposal on behalf of the Kremlin.
Ahtisaari said he passed on the message to the American, British and French missions at the UN, but he said: “Nothing happened because I think all these, and many others, were convinced that Assad would be thrown out of office in a few weeks so there was no need to do anything.”
Similarly, Bloomberg reported in 2012:
As Syria slides toward civil war, Russia is signaling that it no longer views President Bashar al-Assad’s position as tenable and is working with the U.S. to seek an orderly transition.
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After meeting with French President Francois Hollande, among the most adamant of Western leaders demanding Assad’s departure, Putin said Russia was not invested in Assad staying.
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“We aren’t for Assad or for his opponents,” Putin told reporters in Paris on June 1. “We want to achieve a situation in which violence ends and a full-scale civil war is avoided.”
And yet, as with Gaddaffi, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden, the U.S. turned down the offer and has instead prosecuted war. See this and this.
Postscript: An offer by Russia for Assad to leave is not the same as an offer by Assad himself. However, because the Syrian government would have long ago fallen without Russia’s help, the distinction is not really that meaningful.
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Similarly, Saddam Hussein allegedly offered to let weapons inspectors in the country and to hold new elections. As the Guardian reported in 2003:
It cannot be said plainly enough:
ZIO USSA is an utterly contemptible & criminal Rogue State.
Its raison d'etre is to wage war and administer death, destruction and suffering to the innocents,on behalf of a sick, demented, satanic ideology.
It abides by no rules, no treaties, no agreements, no accepted mores - it is a law-unto-itself, that knows no bounds.
It has no good-will, no compassion, no humanity - and looks upon those that do as weak and ready for the taking.
It thinks it owns the world - and destroys and targets those that think otherwise. It dripping, gaping maw can never be satisfied.
It is a consummate liar and possesed of a malignant entity - whose goal, if it can't have everything, is a planetary smoldering heap.
A similar individual would be locked up - in maximum-security solitary confinement- in a institution for the criminally insane, never to be heard of again - at least until Ol' Sparky could be taken out of storage and fired-up to maximum voltage capacity.
this late in the game peace is a waste of time.
Look the american regime dosn't really care if you kill some people. Even if you blow up an entire airplane full of innocent people (Pan Am Flt #103), they still don't really give a shit.
But if you fuck with their worthless fiat world reserve currency backed by NOTHING by proposing a gold backed Dinar... They'll kill you, your whole family, then invade your country.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=libya%20gold%20backed%20currency
Gaddafi shudda known better.
Obligatory,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI
HRC 2016 more state murder,...........................
That's nothing, Israel has so far rejected 10,274 peace negotiations and it's only taken them 65 years. Why even bother to sit down at the table with those bastards?
Perhaps 3rd party diplomats (lookin' at you horseface) could save the jet fuel too.
Ukraine too, (forgot zh team kiev).
Elections verboten, watch Trump be precluded too, American sovereignty will not be tolerated.
Just more proof none of this evil is about spreading freedom fries.
What the USSA is doing is pure evil. At least Germany had a logical reason for agressions. The treaty of versailies unfairly took German lands. Geramny wanted them back. It wasn't till Poland resisted that Germany let loose.
The USSA destroys leaders seeking a truce and does so in the name of peace. Then it rams its immoral, family destroying sterilizing geo-political socio economic system down traditional pious soverigns throats.
so this make us what? the evil emipire? officially the bad guys?
I don't call them the predators-that-be for nothing.
Who gives a fuck about some shitskin mudslimes? Better to kill as many of them as possible.
Bookmarked this one under the category; American-Nazism
Why did we go to war in the first place?
War industry, they run shit.
And sure they did it so they could steal all the money in the world.
That's why we're broke and half the world is at war.
That can never be ended.
This is far from a new phenomena, we did the same against Spain until we took the Philippines, Wilson and House were against a settlement of the then still European War until the US had shed its blood on European soil, which clearly would have resulted in a pre-hostilities border settlement and maintained political structures instead of unconditional surrender. All the blood, misery and human carnage that could have been subsequently avoided had we just stuck to the principles of the nations founders. But capital requires war, war for profits, war to cull excess supply of capital, war to rebuild and war to dominate. Power and money forged with American myth has been a potent mixture that directly and indirectly has murdered 100's of millions of innocent lives. And we are to destroy the cultural heritage of nations because one boy died on the beaches escaping a war that we initiated and fostered?
Go Home Martians!
"War is Peace", why do you think they didn't negotiate?
Makes me so sad to live in a country that so closely resembles, in word and deed, Germany in 1940.
From beloved by the the world to feared and despised by the world, all in less than a century.
We need to get the Nobel Peace Committee to recind POTUS' award...
Admiral Kubic is a good friend of mine. I was in Libya and Afghanistan with him. He is one of the smartest, bravest men that I have ever met.
In fact a quick story about him. We were both working on a project at the US Embassy in Kabul in 2011. I had just landed in the morning and as soon as I got to the Embassy, a group of Taliban started lobbing rocket towards the Embassy. Anyhow, it was a 24 hour ordeal but Kubic was the only person that I saw that grabbed an AK from a Ghurka guard (btw Ghurkas are cowards!), and rushed towards the attackers! Most people, including security personell were running away from the fire. Not Kubic: he was charging the Taliban! Never seen anything like it in my life!
I also have personal knowledge of what he has said in this article. ALL TRUE!
wouldn't be the first time...
Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet stated in a public address given at the Washington Monument on October 5, 1945:
http://www.doug-long.com/guide1.htm
somewhat different than the widely accepted official narrative.
When you are giving someone a beating, it's that last totally meaningless, brutal punch that really gets your point across to the one your beating and to anyone looking on
Saddam Hussein switched from using the US dollar to the euro in selling Iraqi oil. The same with Libya, they were friends with the USA until plans were established to set up a currency (Dinar) backed by gold .for the USA's economy to survive , it MUST maintain world currency reserve status ! ANYTHING that threatens this position WILL be neutralized ,irregardless of what it takes ! When Irag started selling oil using the euro , Saddam Hussein signed his death warrant ,as did Libya ! The true reason for all this conflict is to maintain & support the US dollar & economy ,namely all the wealthy of Wall Street & Washington DC .
But for some weird reason ALOT of people here seem to think Israel is responsible for everything bad that has or will ever happen !
Sad how in 2015 , people are still so racist ! How far humanity has advanced in technology but how primitive an foolish the human race still is in MANY ways !
Hillary thought this would be a great campaign taking point, kind of like "Obama Killed BIN Laden"
HILL FOR THE KILL
HRC MADE HIM DOA
AS SOS SHE KILLED THAT POS
You know some political speak bullshit
There is glory in military victories. Exceptional trained sheeple die for that glory. Does the sheeple's god reward them for their stupidity? Do the gods praise as exceptional those whom they'll destroy?
Those whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.
Our time is short.
Glory is a shit heap.
When Zionist Jews Control a country, they use it to create destruction and death to their enemies & when they are finished with it....
They have it destroyed... to make it look like justice has been done for the fallen, while concealing the evidence of THEIR BLOODY HAND causing it all.
When is the world going to wake up to this & start SHOUTING out LOUD with giving a flying feck "what Zionist Israel thinks"
Israel is not worth a single American & British soldiers life, stop being thir bitchez & turn on Israel
We're all heading into a massive meat mincer is they are not stopped & dealt with.
Harry Brown , Israel is NOT behind all the misery in the world okay ! Wall Street & Washington DC have that honor !
Wall Street controls Washington.
Who controls Wall Street?
(if you don't know, I'm sure someone here could help you find out)
London controls Wall Street. And Riyadh. And Tel-Aviv. Not England, London. And the Bankers who control that city, control the world.
Yep, sounds just like ethno-oligarch subverted Western nations, nothing has changed.
What the World Rejected
Hitler’s Peace Offers, 1933- 1939
http://ihr.org/other/what-the-world-rejected.html
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id570.html
What are the odds that in the early 1930s, Hitler was trying to take Germany out of the grip of the banksters?
Slim to none.
He learned who his masters were when he spent a year in prison in 1924. Western banksters and industrialists paid for and profited from Nazi Germany. The Germans were used, abused and then kicked to the curb. One great big psychological smack-down.
Nation Building
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That was the charge and the plan, lessons from Vietnam, regime change from the very first step over the border.
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Al Qaeda chemical/biological/terror weapons domino theory
There's no money in PEACE...
Why is the West reporting this NOW? It is a negotiating ploy. They know they have lost. Now they are trying to see if this old offer could still be put on the table.
No, the US leadership is a bunch of sore losers. That's what US voters wanted, prayed for, hoped for, and then mandated with an election. US leaders can't admit defeat, so next is probably a nuclear escalation, because they've convinced themselves that they have dug their protection deep enough into a number of mountains at taxpayer expense so that they will win and then survive. In Russia, they built billions of dollars worth of fallout shelters over the last 20 years for the ordinary Russian. Every citizen in Moscow is within three minutes of a fallout shelter. The Russian leadership knows the US leadership better than the US voters do. In the US, they haven't built anything at all to protect the general population, and apparently consider everyone expendable. This way, if the US calls it all wrong and totally screws it up, they won't have to answer to anyone who voted for them when they walk out of their fallout shelters a year after it's all over.
If it ever comes to nuclear war, and Moscow is bombed, those fallout shelters won't mean jack. Once it starts, MAD kicks in and we are all eventually dead. Any temporary survivors will wish they had died, too. Watch On The Beach for a little glimpse. The initial bombs will so destabilize the infrastructure that nuclear power plants will be going off all around the world in secondary meltdowns long after the war starts. Earth will become a radioactive tomb, poisoning the vegetation and water. Bye-bye, humanity.
Zombies are already dead; those that signed up for their programs brought by their favored corporations.
Turn off the programs and go out and CREATE something!
The Southern Hemisphere will be fine.
The wind and ocean flow around the globe means that there will be little-to-no radiation seepage into the southern hemisphere.
Rule Australia, Australia rules the world.
The nukes have blown everyone up
And we're all that's left.
Why is the West reporting this NOW? It is a negotiating ploy. They know they have lost. Now they are trying to see if this old offer could still be put on the table.
Qaddafi was around long enough to have the goods on everybody....he had to be killed lest he start singing
Do not confuse America with its leadership.
So long as the leadership remains in power and not dangling by their necks from the White House balcony, America and the leadership are the same.
fighting for freedom doesn't come cheap.
The US didn't want an election, Kaddaffi would have won, he was loved by his people, Libyans wouldn't vote for their own liquidation, Libya had the highest living standards in Africa, Libyan citizenship was a valable commodity-like US citizenship.
Libya was looted in an international war crime.
Looted is the understatement of the year. The narrative by the MSM was Gaddaffi is a dictator and the people need freedom and democracy. What the MSM ommitted was a background history of the country, Libya's achievments under Gaddaffi vs the total plunder of Libya under our puppet leader King Idris(who was overthrown by Gaddaffi), who were the Libyian National Transitional Council (NTC), what was the price of French(NATO) intervention for the treasonous (NTC)? (Mining rights to 35% of Libya's hydro carbons)
On 3 April a letter was sent by Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC) to a coalition partner, Qatari Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, which mentioned that France would take "35 percent of crude oil...in exchange for its total and permanent support" of the NTC. France’s Liberation daily reported on Thursday that it had a copy of the letter, which stated that the NTC’s Information Minister Mahmoud Shammam, would negotiate the deal with France. In 2010 France was the second purchaser of Libyan oil after Italy, with over 15 percent of its “oil” imported from Tripoli.
But that's not all as we must apply logic. Who was the first country to recognise the NTC? Which was the only country Gaddaffi broke off diplomatic ties? Which country was the first to bomb? The answer is France, to all 3 of those questions, but there is more the MSM avoided talking about and the biggest mystery is WHERE IS LIBYA'S 148 METRIC TONNS OF GOLD? Western leaders are not interested in peace, but in conquest and plunder for their paymasters.. Even the doubters who believed in freedom and humanitarian intervention, had to sit up, pause and think, when the NTC before they had even reached Trippoli and was losing the ground offensive, created their own central bank that was recognised by the NATO coalition inside of 2 days.. Case closed.