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Antidepressants Scientifically Linked To Violent Behavior In Youth

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Submitted by Derrick Broze via TheAntiMedia.org,

A new study published in the PLoS Medicine journal has found that younger people taking antidepressants are more likely to commit violent crimes.

Reuters reports that the researchers “used a unique study design which aimed to avoid confounding factors by comparing the same individuals’ behavior while they were on and while they were off medication.” The study was led by Seena Fazel of Britain’s Oxford University.

Fazel’s team used matched data from Sweden’s prescribed drug register and its national crime register over a three-year period. Among 850,000 people prescribed Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs), one percent were convicted of a violent crime. SSRIs are often prescribed to fight off anxiety and depression and include drugs like Prozac and Paxil.

Most of the age groups did not show an increase in crime and violence, however, the 15-24 year-old group showed a 43 percent increase in their risk of committing violent crime while on SSRIs. The researchers also observed an increased risk for younger people to be involved in violent arrests, non-violent convictions and arrests, non-fatal injuries, and alcohol problems when they were taking antidepressants. The results also showed those who took lower doses had an increased risk of being violent.

Ironically, the researchers recommend that young people might take higher doses of the drugs to reduce the risk of violence and criminal activity. Fazel told Reuters it is possible that younger people taking lower doses are not being “fully treated,” leaving them vulnerable to impulsive behavior.

Fazel cautioned that the study does not conclusively prove SSRIs will lead to increases in violent activity and said further studies should be conducted. He went on to tell Reuters that if the results are confirmed, “warnings about the increased risk of violent behavior among young people taking SSRIs might be needed.”

Anti-Media previously reported on a study by the Harvard School of Public Health that found high doses of antidepressants in teens and young adults correlate to marked increases in self-harm.

That study examined 162,625 subjects between the ages of 10 and 64 for 12 years. For subjects aged 24 and younger, higher-than-average doses of antidepressants doubled the rate of suicidal behavior. In addition, a 2004 review by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) also found that antidepressants double the risk of suicides between the age of 18 and 25.

Recently, journalist Ben Swann released a Reality Check report examining the possible connection between gun violence and SSRIs.

 

The crime scene tape was still up in Roanoke, Virginia when politicians began calling—almost predictably—for tougher gun control laws,” Swann wrote. “Here’s a question: why is it always a discussion about guns and not about mental health and mood altering prescription drugs?”

Swann goes on to list several examples of shootings committed by individuals under the influence of SSRIs.

1999: 15-year old Oregon school shooter Kip Kinkel, who opened fire in his school cafeteria, had been on Prozac.

1999: Eric Harris, the Columbine killer, was taking Luvox.

1999: Conyers, Georgia school shooter T.J. Solomon was on Ritalin.

2005: Red Lake Indian Reservation shooter Jeff Weise was taking Prozac.

2007: Virginia Tech shooter Cho Seung-Hui, who shot and killed 32 people, was on antidepressants and taking Prozac.

2012: Colorado theater shooter James Holmes… was reportedly heavily hooked on the prescription painkiller Vicodin. And he took a cocktail of anti-depressants before his shooting spree.

2012: Conn. school shooter Adam Lanza’s uncle said the boy was prescribed Fanapt, a controversial anti-psychotic medicine.”

It would appear that a certain amount of skepticism is necessary when listening to the claims made by members of the pharmaceutical-industrial complex. Studies show antidepressants are overprescribed, and in my own experience with depression and anxiety, I found that doctors are far too often willing to offer pills than have a conversation and work to solve the root causes of these issues.

We need to help promote a culture where individuals are able to safely talk about their depression, anxiety, and even thoughts of suicide. As humans, we have the ability to create a culture that values open and honest communication, respect, and love. This could allow each individual to have a safe space to process their pain and receive the healing necessary for personal growth and collective liberation. Empower each other and break your addiction to Big Pharma.

 

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Thu, 09/17/2015 - 16:45 | 6562138 Cognitive Dissonance
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But....but...but a medicated population is a happy population. It says so in the DSM.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 16:48 | 6562153 Impoverished Ps...
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Any fool knows that messing around with people's neurotransmitters in their youth is absolute lunacy.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 16:55 | 6562190 Vampyroteuthis ...
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We cannot stop those pharma executives from buying their 3rd vacation house, luxury yachts and blow. Come on guys!!

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 16:59 | 6562208 coinhead
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Does anyone else ever get teh feeling our "medical professionals" are right about their drugs about as often as our "financial experts" are right about their products?

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:06 | 6562251 froze25
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I really is sad that most doctors today are glorified legal drug dealers.  The one of the biggest mistakes this country made was allowing Pharma to advertise on TV.  Most depression and other mental issues can be treated with simply changing your diet, exercising and doing volunteer work.  For kids it may be also a matter of taking them out of a hostile environment that maybe known as public school.  Some kids can only take so many ass kickings.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:13 | 6562290 greenskeeper carl
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I agree. A friend of mine started taking them recently. Tried to get him to try coming to the gym with me for two weeks and see how he feels, but he wanted the easy way: pills, please.

 

Doctors are the same way with blood pressure, especially with young people. I know several people who take blood pressure pills in their late 20s. The FIRST thing a doctor should do is tell you to exercise more. If you start doing cardio 3-4 times a week, most fatasses will both lose weight and drop their blood pressure. But, again. Exercise hard, pills easy.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:20 | 6562333 negative rates
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Dr. dr......give me the news......I got a....bad case of lovin you.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 18:07 | 6562446 SofaPapa
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When I was younger, I was given the option of taking anti-depressants.  I opted not to, and have worked ever since to better understand my thought processes, their causes, and how to see beyond them.  The result has been an incredibly rewarding in-depth understanding of myself and my world, and how the first creates the second.  

Step one - absolutely critical and ongoing - is to experience 'negative' emotions, without letting them determine behavior.  This is not easy.  But every time we prescribe drugs to "dampen" these unpleasant feelings, we are putting something in the shadow that needs to be in the light.  Put things in the shadow and they grow out of sight.  Sometimes what comes back out of the shadows is now full grown, where if it had been attended to without that opportunity to grow away from prying eyes, learning self-control might have been possible.

This is a complex subject, and I understand that there are cases where that first step, experiencing without the associated behavior, is impossible.  But people who are treating these drugs as though they "solve" the problem are clearly hopelessly naive about how complex human behavior is, and their ability to 'control' it with the addition of their chosen chemical.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 07:49 | 6564378 detached.amusement
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I'm thankful that my mom tossed that crap in the garbage when my younger brother told her he didnt like the stuff and it made him feel weird, he never took it again.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 18:41 | 6562709 logicalman
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Are people unhappy or are they depressed?

Seems most doctors don't even try to find out (no money in it) just prescribe away.

I struggle with the world on a daily basis - because the world's fucked up, not because I am.

I don't think pills would do much to fix the real problem, just treat the symptoms..

On the subject of exercise, I cycle, on average, about 100 miles a week - in summer a 50 miler is a regular weeked ride, a lot of it on trails. I go for all day hikes on largely pathless terrain. I shoot a bow. All these things get me out in the real world and occupy my mind in a positive way. I make bows too - can't beat the feeling of going out with arrows, a bow and a string you made yourself and hearing the sound of arrow on target. My last bow cost me $25 and gave me about 60 hours of woodworking therapy too. Once you make fitness part of who you are, it becomes better than easy.

I am however poor ;-) I don't have much money!

 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:18 | 6563689 StychoKiller
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"Poor is a state of Mind."  Don't confuse lack of Munny with being "poor!"

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 19:58 | 6567504 logicalman
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That's what I was getting at

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:07 | 6562252 Xibalba
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It's the law now...what difference does 'right' mean?

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:24 | 6562347 greenskeeper carl
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most medical experts(and big pharma) know that they would be in a lot lower demand if more people knew the truth. The most common ailments in our society are related to being fat, including depression, high blood pressure, die-a-beetus, etc. A gym membership is much cheaper, too. But you can go buy a decent pair of shoes and just fucking WALK for free, even for 30 min a few times a week, will show huge benefits down the road. But we as a sciety are addicted to the quick fix. Preparing meals made from scratch requires a lot more effort than a drivethru, and exercising is hard work, so people like to be lazy and take a pill for their problems instead. Once you make yourself exercise for a couple weeks, it becomes habit, and at least for me, personally, I feel like a lazy turd if I miss more than 2 days a week. While I am in no way saying any of this is the governments business, but if the government really cared about making people healthy rather than lining the pockets of their owners, it would be much cheaper for them to provide everyone who wants it a free gym membership. Pretty brilliant strategy: have the government provide EBT cards to the masses so they can buy shitty processed foods and get them fat so then they need a bunch of pills to function, so then get the same government to pay outrageous prices for pills to fix the problems caused by the very same food. Sell the problem and also sell the cure. Brilliant

 

Whats more convienent, exercising for 30 min to an hour a day, or being DEAD 24 hours a day?

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:38 | 6562416 cheech_wizard
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>Whats more convenient, exercising for 30 min to an hour a day, or being DEAD 24 hours a day?

You really need to ask that question when the obvious choice is the latter of the two?

Standard Disclaimer: No worries except I'll now be voting Democrat...

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 16:59 | 6562207 Seer
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Not if you're making money off of it! (ugh!)

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 16:50 | 6562164 BorisTheBlade
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Yeah, let the rivers of soma flow uninterrupted. What happens when a drugged society gets of its meds, war, almost by design of an entire system.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 18:10 | 6562561 SofaPapa
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I hadn't thought of that.  When the collapse becomes sufficiently deep, these drugs will no longer be available.  That's going to be quite the accelerant to chaos in society.  Suddenly, people are going to be forced to face their demons rather than hiding from them.  Yikes!

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 18:46 | 6562733 logicalman
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In a full on SHTF situation, all the diabetics out there will likely turn their toes up, along with anyone reliant on any of the products of Big Pharma.

I do think, though, that nicotine withdrawal would lead to the odd frayed temper - could end up doing more damage than those getting off SSRIs!

The few who are in good health/shape would be at a huge advantage.

 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 16:58 | 6562203 ForWhomTheTollBuilds
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I remember Denninger raging about this way back.  When everyone was happy to blame the guns, he mentioned that nearly every one of these mass shooters are on these kinds of meds.  It was another one of those tinfoil hat ideas deemed unsuitable for sophisticated company.

 

Those were the days...

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:12 | 6562287 gladih8r
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Wait, I thought it was all the gun's fault. 

/sarc

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:23 | 6562346 Nom de Guerre
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Yeah...and I've seen kids as young as 5 being prescribed antipsychotics and anticonvulsants for "bipolar disorder".  And it's also funny how children are medicated for ADHD at a ratio of 4:1 boys to girls. In other words, emasculate...errrrr...medicate little boys for acting like little boys.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 09:31 | 6564791 froze25
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All part of the war on men.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:44 | 6562439 Remington IV
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Obama's fault

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:51 | 6562479 JRobby
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Which of the below is most appropriate?:

A. Hello?

B. Do Ya Think?

C. How long did it take you to figure this out?

D. 1 & 2 above

These "miracle pills" attempt to restore chemical receptors in the brain that have been fucked over by pollution, food additives and other chemicals we ingest voluntarily. When a younger person who has not lived long enough to ingest all of the shit a 30 - 35 + adult has, there is an over reaction that manifests itself as aggression.

 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 16:45 | 6562140 Herd Redirectio...
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Der scientistz is so clevar.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 16:50 | 6562165 Chuck Knoblauch
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Jew trained psychiatrists prescribing antideps for goyim children.

Get the goyim to kill the goyim.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:26 | 6562339 MSimon
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The Jews are the leaders in the medical cannabis movement. The Reforms came out in favor in 2004. Who still supports prohibition? Goyim. Republican goyim.

 

Well no one ever said goys were stupid. Well maybe some one did. It could even be true. 

 

 

 

 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:32 | 6562390 MSimon
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Well who is the leader in the medical cannabis movement? Raphael Mechoulam.

Who are the leading Prohibitionists? Bush, Clinton (Bill). Who is against Bernie Sanders, The Paul family. And way back in '72 Milton Friedman in response to Nixon. I think if you check you will find Friedman was Jewish and Nixon was not.  

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:58 | 6562508 Chuck Knoblauch
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What about gay marriage and gun control?

Not allowed in Israel.

The fake hebrews are Europeans #1 enemy.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 16:52 | 6562171 TheZeitgeist
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Remember kids, just say no to drugs except ours.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:09 | 6562255 giggler321
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Winners Don't Use Drugs
FBI Director William S. Sessions, 1989

and of course half the people on ZH wouldn't of found this place if they weren't taking them  ;)

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:17 | 6562310 Seer
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The Red Pill.  The anti-drug drug!

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 16:51 | 6562172 world_debt_slave
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we are a pill poppin' nation

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 16:52 | 6562173 bnbdnb
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I personally know two people who cannot complete any single task without their strattera. Some people DO need it to function in suburbia.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:04 | 6562241 European American
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Apparently one out of every four in America.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:08 | 6562254 bnbdnb
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Might actually be true. We technologically expanded quicker than our brains evolved to match our enviroments.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:37 | 6562415 taoJones
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Big pharma is turning us into medicated zombies.

And just wait til the grid goes down and/or there's a supply chain disruption. Then we're gonna see the zombies for real. You can't taper off this stuff overnight... it takes weeks/months!

It will be bedlam...

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 18:05 | 6562542 Handful of Dust
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<< Antidepressants Scientifically Linked To Violent Behavior In Youth >>

 

So is Hollywood [violent movies] but Big Money Lobby buys protection in DC.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:15 | 6562297 Bunghole
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Strattera isnt an SSRI.

It's just meth in a pill form.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:19 | 6562327 bnbdnb
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Yeah thats true. But some consider it an anti-depressant.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:28 | 6562366 wendigo
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straterra isn't an amphetamine. FFS, it's not even a stimulant. 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:42 | 6562430 cheech_wizard
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Can't we just get back to manufacturing Quaaludes?

Standard Disclaimer: Who cares about accomplishing a task when you've lost all motor control?

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 19:54 | 6562972 Sanity Bear
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I bet they get 3-4 hours of television fucking up their brains on the average day.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 16:53 | 6562179 NotApplicable
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The only thing surprising about this finding is that it was actually aired by the MSM.

I'm expecting this CIABS station will now have it's broadcast license revoked.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 16:56 | 6562193 Normalcy Bias
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This is HORSESHIT. This was known 15 fucking years ago. I know from personal experience that this is a DANGEROUS drug.

I had a friend (who was an adult at the time) who took this drug and 45 mins later wanted to kill himself. He took the day off of work, got in bed, and pulled the covers over his head because he was afraid of himself! I will go on record and second this experience.

Paxil is BAD NEWS, but profit Uber Alles!

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:02 | 6562230 Seer
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YES!  I was surprised to read the claim that it only affected folks between the ages of 18 - 25.  That's pure BS!  Had a sister commit suicide in her thirties; yup, she was on this shit!

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:21 | 6562342 Normalcy Bias
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Seer, I'm sincerely sorry for your loss.

It's disgusting that big pharma and the FDA continue to use the public as 'guinea pigs.'

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:23 | 6562330 Bunghole
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My ex wife insisted I was depressed and demanded I take some SSRI or get a divorce.

I tried it for 6 months (Wellbutrin and Celexa) and when I told her I wanted to kill myself, she said enough is enough.

I quit taking it the day I moved out and have been happy ever since.

Fuck that poison and fuck Big Pharma.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:30 | 6562376 Skateboarder
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Glad to have you back on the human side. I am sorry you had to poison yourself to try and save your marriage. That is most fucked up, and you don't need a wife who will poison you.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:47 | 6562450 cheech_wizard
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My first wife tried that bullshit on me... After a week I told her to fuck off. I'm surprised you lasted 6 months without killing her.

The courts later revealed she was the one suffering from repeated bouts of depression.

Standard Disclaimer: Note to all men everywhere... run if a woman tries to pull this shit on you. Run far, run fast. Pay whatever to get her out of your life. Do not look back.

 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:53 | 6562483 KCMLO
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Not to be overly pedantic but Wellbutrin is not an SSRI.  It doesn't affect serotonin, it goes after dopamine and norepinephrine.  And since Celexa IS an SSRI means you were getting hit on all 3 of your mood affecting neurotransmitters... that's an awful lot of juice.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:42 | 6562410 Normalcy Bias
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It looks like I was down voted by someone whose bread and butter comes from Glaxo (Fuck You, BTW).

Study 329 found that paroxetine increased suicidal ideation and suicidal behaviour in children and adolescents, while not helping depression any better than placebo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paroxetine

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 16:57 | 6562201 RopeADope
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And here I thought young people, being force-fed anti-depressants by their guilt-avoiding boomer parents, were just angry at being constantly sodomized by central bankers.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 16:59 | 6562210 Jameson18
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Notice the common denominator of the majority of the domestic terrorist's.

HINT. Its not the drugs.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 19:02 | 6562792 Ishtarandra
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All handled by counselors/psychiatrists?

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:01 | 6562214 Al Gophilia
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Iodine supplements are very effective at fixing the broken hormone pathways. We are all deficient in iodine ever since they removed it from our bread and replaced it with bromine, a known psychotropic chemical. Rub a patch as large as your palm onto your belly. If it absorbs within 24 hours, you're iodine deficient. Your feeling of wellbeing in about 4 days to a week will be quite noticible. Stop eating store bought breads, etc. Worked for my wife and I.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:04 | 6562240 Seer
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I stopped kicking small animals and ever since I've felt SO much better!

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:15 | 6562301 Bastiat
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Rub a patch of what on you belly?

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:18 | 6562320 Seer
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Quit causing trouble and just follow directions (if you want to feel better)!

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:47 | 6562449 Al Gophilia
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Jest all you like, or research it before rubbishing it. There's nothing controversial about what I said, it's just that we've been all too ready to accept big pharma and their bandaid approach to fixing us up, health wise.

Iodine is not a magic cure all but it has been proven to be an essential nutrient which each hormone receptor in our bodies need to be able to function properly. Hormone imbalance or receptor disfunction cannot be repaired without a correspondingly balance of nutrients. I hope that that information isn't too controversial for you because a deficiency is also known to cause cretinism; an inability to absorb considered facts before casting derisory judgement. Taking the piss out of me proves that there is a huge gap to be filled by the very people who decry the use of pharmaceuticals and yet pooh-pooh the only alternative, a natural approach to taking control of your ouw health. Wierd.

For those interested, Lugol's Iodine was the remedy doctors prescribed for many ailments and was found to be very effective. Doctors which surgeons still recommend iodine as a prescriptive supplement and is the most effective anticeptic. Overdosing can cause problems, see your doctor or  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine_deficiency

That link is in no way a definative list. Dig deeper.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:27 | 6563711 StychoKiller
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It was a legitimate question about a poorly-formed sentence in your post.  So, where does one find a patch of Iodine (or was it bread)?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 07:24 | 6573855 ForTheWorld
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Use this: http://amzn.com/B00E3B49R2, and rub enough onto your skin to create an area (or patch) the size of your palm.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 02:56 | 6564057 kareninca
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Thank you, Al Gophilia.  I appreciate leads of this sort.  Even if they don't pan out they are interesting.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:03 | 6562233 European American
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95% of shooters involved in "mass" shootings supposedly are under the influence. Should we be surprised?

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:04 | 6562239 wmbz
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Well there are a ton of parents that start their kids out on drugs right off the bat, at any sign of rambunctiousness.

Get'um hooked on some type of drug early on.

 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:06 | 6562246 SHsparx
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Actually, when you read the study carefully, they're promoting MORE drugs in greater doses, so this may actually be a pro-big pharma study.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:11 | 6562273 Biff Malibu
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I would like to comment on this.  I used to be on crazy pills.  I was on Celexa and Lexapro for sure, and a few others I can't remember right now.  What I can tell you is this.  I was having very serious marital problems but wanted to make things work "for the kids".  I've been a smoker (1-2 packs of reds a day), so I know something about addiction.  When I began taking them, I would sweat constantly, a cold clammy yucky sweat.  I was very emotionally numb.  I didn't feel bad.  I didn't feel good.  I didn't feel anything.  At the time, I thought that it would be entirely possible to do something absolutely horrific (i.e. those things mentioned above in the news article) and not feel anything at all about it.  No guilt, no sense of responsibility, nothing.  Then I began having horrible nightmares.  Terrible things happening to my children, etc.  I decided after a few years that I needed to get off of this poison.  H O L Y  S H I T!!!  OH MY GOD.  Just try to quit taking these cold turkey.  Your mind and body will absolutely disown you and sell you out.  Quitting anti-depressants was 100 times worse than quitting smoking.  Your dick will stop working, you won't be able to nut, and when you do you'll get about 2% of the enjoyment out of it previously.  These drugs are poison, absolutely terrible, and should be illegal.  Anyone giving these things out to children is a criminal!  I can see a use for the .01% of the population that has brain chemistry so fucked up that they truly need to feel nothing at all.  However, for the 99% of people in suburbia that are pissed that their neighbors make more money than they do, and that their marriage isn't perfect like on TV or what they dreamed it would be, that take this shit to be "happy"....you are making a huge mistake.  I wish I never would have taken these at all.  I still don't get near the enjoyment out of sex as I used to.  And I've been off these damn things for probably 8-9 years now.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:50 | 6562473 cheech_wizard
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See my earlier response. The only question that remains is are you still married to her?

 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 18:24 | 6562635 Biff Malibu
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I love my children more than anything on this earth.  I will do anything for them.  While there were several opportunities to end it with her, I almost thought that she would purposefully go out and find some hoosier shit-bag to get involved with just to spite me.  I couldn't stand the thought of having some dipshit around my kids instead of me, so I let her win.  I surrendered.  Yes, dear, you're right.  You're right about everything.  better to still be the dad to my children, than to have my pride, win, and have some shitbag around my kids.  I gave a whole hell of a lot on a lot of stuff, she gave a little bit too, and overall things are a lot better now than they were.  And to be honest, I'm not that great of a catch, I doubt I would have been able to find a woman to replace her that would have been the perfect wife.  So in the end, she's stuck with me, I'm stuck with her, but at least having a blast being a dad.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:51 | 6562481 Al Gophilia
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Likewise. It's a hell to experience.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 19:55 | 6562520 jmaloy5365
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Exactly,!!!!!!!!

Same thing happened to me, 

Antidepressants changed ME PERMANENTLY.

Haven't had a stiff one in years without taking the blue pill.

Haven't took antidepressants in years but still almost completely disconnected emotionally.

At this point I would think that I'm about 89% psychopath. I know I have been in situations that scare the shit out of me because I could really hurt someone. And probably the only reason I haven't is because there still a little bit left of the old me that knows right from wrong.

They sure ended my marriage of 23 years. She was on them and she pulled a knife on me and with both of us on them fights got more violent and I knew how they effected me and knew that if she had started stabbing me she would have not stopped, In the end quit taking them because I drawed back to swing on her and in my mind that if I had started punching her I would have beat her  into a bloody pulp.

Yeah, they scare the fuck out of me, and I still live in fear because I'm am now permanently effected and damaged mentally by them.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:11 | 6562277 Joebloinvestor
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GSK gets off with a fine for hiding shit for 10 years on PRAXIL.

 

GM gets off with a fine for hiding shit for 10 years.

 

Anyone sense a pattern?

 

Banksters aren't the only evil.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:12 | 6562279 MSimon
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Cannabis is an anti-depressant. As is tobacco.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:21 | 6562337 Seer
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My lungs, however, won't sign up for either.  With cannabis, though, you can eat it.  Tabacco?  I'm just too damn busy (lazy) to bother to mess with either.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 18:49 | 6562743 Bioscale
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You need to vaporize the weed, you don't need to inhale any smoke. There is a huge market for that, don't buy any cheap shit.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:31 | 6563729 StychoKiller
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You can also steep it in hot water as a tea-like infusion.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 18:45 | 6562725 Fiscal.Enema
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DMT. Check it out! Dimethyltryptamine. Its produced by the human body and is a schedule 1 drug. Go figure. It has been used to cure PTSD and depression after one dose. It is non-addictive. It can't be patented. There is no money in a cure. Only money in keeping people sick.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:19 | 6562324 q99x2
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All I have to say about this is no shit. They need to teach children the Dhama. Rarely have we seen a person . . . 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:23 | 6562349 COL Jackson
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Doesnt PLOS Medicine journal know that publishing studies proving negative effects of pharmaceuticals can get you a dirt nap?  I though that was self-evident.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:27 | 6562369 Mayer Amschel R...
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Serotonin has been known by the medical research establishment to be a stress hormone for over 75 years.  One of its primary functions is vasoconstriction.  Funny that the PR tool of the elite, Wikipedia, says, "It is a well-known contributor to feelings of well-being; therefore it is also known as a 'happiness hormone' despite not being a hormone." 

 

We are powerfully imprisoned in these Dark Ages simply in terms in which we have been conditioned to think. (Buckminster Fuller)

 


Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:31 | 6562384 affirmed_78
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Might we be confusing cause and effect?  It's obvious that these individuals had serious mental issues which is why they were put on these drugs in the first place.  People with serious mental issues are more likely to do something crazy.  It's hard to say definitively that the drugs are the problem.  Perhaps they just "didn't work" or "weren't enough" on these individuals.  For a lot of people they provide a great benefit - just google the reviews online.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 18:59 | 6562784 cheech_wizard
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Reread some of the posts about men that were talked into taking anti-depressants by their wives. But you are always welcome to try a short clinical trial on yourself. The symptoms aren't that hard to fake, and if you shop around, you'll find someone that is more than willing to prescribe you the pills.

Of course there is also this:

http://www.medicineclinic.org/AmbulatorySyllabus4/NEW%20somatization.htm

 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:56 | 6563636 Lookout Mountain
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We are indeed confusing cause and effect. But most Americans, including those who are actually involved in conducting "research" have a poor understanding of statistics. Not to mention they are often seeking to be published, gain tenure, or receive grants from the government (or Big Pharma). Thus, a majority of studie that appear in peer-reviewed journals cannot rightly make the conclusions that they do. Either their study is seirously flawed or the statistics use do not justify the conclucsions, even when used correctly.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 18:54 | 6562392 kiwigal
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Interestingly The Sydney Morning Herald has run articles two days in a row on the vile SSRI  drug Paxil or Paroxatine. The link to youth suicide,the hiding of data by Glaxo and their multi billion dollar prosecution.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:34 | 6562401 wendigo
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For those of you who hate psych meds, for wahtever reason, you have obviously never met someone for whom the medication worked. My life has been greatly improved through these pills, and I am a much happier and more stable person. If you luddites got your way I would be back to what i was: violent mood swings, paranoia, extreme anxiety. In short, rather than be a productive member of society I would probably have to be institutionalized. And you fuckers will probably hate me for saying all this, cuz in you're stunted universe pharma bad, nothing good can ever come from it. Except my life of course, but I guess that doesn't matter to you. 

And yes, I am aware there are other forms of treatment out there. I've tried most of it. Some of it helps. Some of it doesn't. Recovery from a major mental illness is a confluence of many factors, such as diet, exercise, meditation, and yes, medication. 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:50 | 6562471 Skateboarder
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Good sir, was Cannabis Sativa among the things you had already tried?

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 19:17 | 6562846 Bankster Kibble
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I agree, some psych meds are very useful for clinical depression and other chemical imbalances.  But wow, those side effects.  I have read many anecdotal stories that indicate the side effects on some of those drugs include psychotic episodes.  I'm glad this study is published and I hope more researchers keep looking at the meds and how they are prescribed.   I just don't like the idea in our society that a pill will cure everything.  It sometimes seems we are all medical experiments in a giant laboratory run by pharmaceutical companies.  Maybe that's just a neurosis - if so, what the heck, I can still function with it.

 

Meanwhile, good luck with your regimen.  I'm glad your doctor found something that works.  May you never have problems with it.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 17:45 | 6562445 erk
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The increased use of antidepressants is depressing.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 18:32 | 6562675 beijing expat
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It follows then that all the mass killers of late should be released and treated as mental patients rather than criminals.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 19:31 | 6562885 RagnarRedux
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Medicated to Death: SSRIs and Mass Killings



"In 2010, the Public Library of Science published a study titled “Prescription Drugs Associa
ted with Reports of Violence Towards Others
” which examined how 484 drugs were associated with 1,937 documented cases of violent behaviour. Of those 484 drugs, 31 of them were responsible for 79% of the violence, including 11 antidepressants."


https://www.corbettreport.com/medicated-to-death-ssris-and-mass-killings/

http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/every-mass-shooting-in-the-last-20-years-shares-psychotropic-drugs/#axzz3m2bjDtJT

Social Anxiety Disorder Linked to High Serotonin Levels, Throwing Treatment with SSRIs into Serious Question

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/07/02/social-anxiety-disorder.aspx
Thu, 09/17/2015 - 19:50 | 6562960 atomicwasted
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If Mercola said it was sunny outside I'd take an umbrella.  The guy quacks when he talks.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 19:49 | 6562956 atomicwasted
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So there is a correlation according to the study.  One conclusion that can be drawn from the data is that SSRIs cause violence among teens that take them.  Another conclusion that can be drawn from the data is that people with serious disorders requiring medication are more likely to commit violent acts, and that the SSRIs are irrelevant to those violent acts.  I don't know how you test that, but I'm not a statistician.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:45 | 6563593 Seek_Truth
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Only someone with zero critical thinking skills could fail to connect the dots between SSRIs and mass murder and suicide. It is a well documented fact.

Google the hundreds of articles available- 20+ years of data.

Stay away from Big Pharma.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:53 | 6563625 Lookout Mountain
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Big Pharma is evil. But it is also foolish to try to conclude causation from such a study. 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:52 | 6563622 Lookout Mountain
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You are right to question the conclusions. There is no proof of causation in correlational studies. The study i further weakned by the fact that it merely gathers data from existing files.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 08:05 | 6564427 Benjamin123
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That can be studied using a control group.

Bribe a group of psychiatrists to give drugs to only half their new patients, drugs for the rest, picked randomly. Do it with 10000 patients and follow up the goings of each half.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 20:03 | 6562998 Falling Down
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25% of women in America are on them. That explains a lot, in my book.

It's a chemical lobotomy, courtesy Big Pharma.

 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:25 | 6563528 nnnnnn
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im sure david cameron is on antidepressants    many politicians are on some kind of medical help

 

obama still smoking weed everyday, you can see by his slow reaction and movements

 

bush was always on alcohol there are many videos of him being drunk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrEdjaJt9iY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKc6UMfZW6U

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:32 | 6563550 Joe Camel
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Mama gimme my medicine that makes me feel like a tall tree

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:51 | 6563611 Lookout Mountain
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Correlational statistics are meaningless as to cause and effect. The obvious quesiton that needs to be asked is, "Do people who are being treated for mental health issues have a greater propensity for violence?" As evil as Big Pharma is, this is no proof that the drugs are causing the violence.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:46 | 6563779 StychoKiller
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Nevertheless, Doctors, especially in the dubious field of Psychiatry, should not be prescribing drugs that closely mimic actual neuro-transmitters.  Example:  Mescaline is very similar to Serotonin, yet the molecular difference can have you seeing hallucinations (or maybe reality as it really is!) for quite awhile.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 08:02 | 6564419 Benjamin123
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The mechanistic concept of "Cause and effect" can be studied within the framework of statistical correlations.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 06:19 | 6564232 sam site
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When you consider that SSRIs are mostly fluoride, it's understandable that violence errupts.  Fluoride is comparable to lead in toxicity and we're insanely putting it in our drinking water.

Depression drug Effexor actually states there is a homicide risk on the insert.  So they know they are peddling a dangerous product.

Someday America is going to wake up to the scam of government-protected monopoly medicine. 

Few American's realize that Big Pharma petroleum-based patented drugs are toxic to the liver and accumulate in the body making withdrawel a nightmare. 

Not only is AMA Allopathic Monopoly "accident" Medicine expensive.  It's also ineffective and dangerous. 

Just another cluster F from our hidden globalist Zionist rulers in the United States of Deception.

 

 

 

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 07:39 | 6568636 Flash44
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Reminds me of the movie Serenity. 

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