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Will The Lone Star State Secede? Super Tuesday May Allow Voters To "Reassert Texas As Independent Nation"

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Submitted by Mac Slavo via SHTFPlan.com,

Texas-Takes-Stand

The question of secession on a ballot it is a one. Secession might make a powerful statement to voice defiance government tyranny, but it could also set off sparks.

Now, it appears that the biggest and most independent-minded state in the union might test that question. What happens after that is anyone’s guess.

Regardless, the possibility shows the pulse of the nation:

Texans May Have Secession Question on Republican Primary Ballot

by Joshua Krause at the Daily Sheeple

 

Aside from voting for whatever politician happens to be the flavor of the month, the Republican voters of Texas may have an additional question to answer for when Super Tuesday arrives next year. If the Texas Nationalist Movement has its way, then the Republican primary ballot may have to ask voters to decide whether or not they think “the state of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation” and secede from the United States

 

Much to the chagrin of the Republican party, the Texas independence group is currently gathering signatures for a petition that would place their non-binding question on the ballot. According to the Texas Secretary of State, they will need at least 66,894 signatures, though the organization is shooting for 75,000.

 

Historically, the Republican Party would have the final say on what goes on their ballot, and they’ve tried to distance themselves from the Texas Nationalist Movement in the past. If the petition succeeds, it would be the first time that an outside group has their referendum placed on the Republican ballot. The group’s president hopes that the vote will get state legislators to take the issue seriously. “Texas and Washington, D.C. are on very different paths, and the people of Texas obviously recognize that…The Texas Nationalist Movement message has been one not of reaction to grievance but one of a future we can build as an independent nation.”

 

Read more at the Daily Sheeple

Secession, a formal declaration of independence, is by tradition the right of every Texan and American, and the Fed has doubtlessly crossed the line too many times to count. Fed up Americans are looking for ways to voice their anger, and Texans have a notoriously short fuse, a history of independence and tendencies to secede. But the powers that be may have also fueled a trap on sovereignty. What is shirked at the federal level may be accepted at the international level.

The bankers and social engineers are practiced at ruling by divide and conquer to avoid personally confronting pitchforks and angry townspeople. There is a plan underway, which has already been exposed, known as the North American Union.  Sponsored by Wall Street firms like Goldman Sachs and organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations, the agenda is creating a globalized world that will use immigration to upend politics, shift demographics, supply corporate labor and fracture society.

Like NAFTA before it, the plan will destroy jobs and displace millions of workers, creating new waves of migration across the border. Further integration will restructure shipping, energy and transportation, all while building a scapegoat for the engineered economic collapse that will rile up the masses.

Like a doctor setting a fracture, the underwriters of the North American plan to actually break up regions of America to ‘enhance’ the management and control of society at many levels. According to author Jerome Corsi:

Understanding the plan to merge the U.S., Mexico and Canada, says Corsi, is “the only context in which the current immigration travesty makes sense – and it must be stopped.” This aim to create a North American Union between the United States, Mexico and Canada is the real reason behind “comprehensive immigration reform.”

 

“A North American Union would not just be the end of America as we know it,” claims Corsi, “but the beginning of an EU-like nightmare – a bureaucratic coup d’etat foisted upon millions of Americans without their knowledge or consent.”

Thus, the big banks and power brokers are interested in Texas secession, or at least could exploit it easily:

How might secession transition from a fringe idea to a country-ender? In my conversations with economists, political scientists, and futurists, three broad themes came up that I found the most persuasive: economic collapse, the rise of localism, and North American reshuffling.

 

[…]

 

Let’s say there’s an American revolution—who leaves first? Once the feds “start imposing just huge taxes,” [Peter] Schiff says, the states that have to pay more in than they’re getting back out will pull their stars off the flag. Schiff lists Texas and California as potential pull-out candidates, whereas “Florida probably wants to stay because of all the Social Security money.” […]

 

North America’s borders have remained pretty much static for the last century… But this stability shouldn’t imply that our dividing lines make sense. In 1981’s Nine Nations of North America, Joel Garreau argued that the continent’s borders don’t reflect how we live. Garreau’s nine nations map—which highlighted regions where people share common values, culture, and natural resources—wasn’t intended to be predictive of a future breakup [Ed. Note: yet could be spot on].

 

Take away the artificial borders and we’re all just North Americans… If America ends, so will Canada and Mexico. And if Canada or Mexico goes down the tubes, we won’t be long for this continent either. (Source)

Taken the wrong way by the media, secession and ‘fightin’ talk’ about immigration allow the system to play off the sentiment of the locales and provide friction to open up action. This strategy creates new problems, and give new agency powers to those who could offer to provide solutions. These are new realms for experts to manage, and corporations to service. Remember that calls to secession have been led by bought out “yee haw” politicians like Rick Perry. The gun toting standoff rhetoric has been largely manufactured by scripted suits funded by lobbyists.

Nonetheless, a breaking point is bound to come somewhere, at sometime. As one commenter put it:

“Most Texans do not want to break away from the United States. Most Texans consider themselves Americans. But if ever being American means sacrificing our liberties, we will just prefer to be Texans.”

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Texans May Have Secession Question on Republican Primary Ballot was written by Joshua Krause originally published at the Daily Sheeple.

 

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Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:33 | 6563559 junction
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Don't mess with Texas!

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:41 | 6563579 38BWD22
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Texas better its GOLD from NYC before seceding...

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:43 | 6563587 Publicus
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The South will rise again.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:55 | 6563628 CrazyCooter
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The South will rise again.

Dude, the South ain't gonna rise again ... but they are holding out for Jesus.

Regards,

Cooter

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:37 | 6563752 Richard Chesler
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As if they had any chance against the corrupt jew scum machine, hahahahaha...

 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:43 | 6563767 TahoeBilly2012
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You can check in, but you can't check out..

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:04 | 6563812 Herd Redirectio...
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Didn't Texas already secede?  And then allied with the South in the Civil War?  And then that secession was annulled, by decree (of the Supreme Court, they can do that, can't they?).

Of course I didn't learn that in history class, so could be wrong.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:14 | 6563832 TimmyB
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A number of states tried to leave the Union because they loved having slaves.  A war was fought over this, and the winners forced the states that left to stay.  I don't think a second try is going to work any better.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:40 | 6563880 Son of Loki
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My understanding is Texas is already part of Mexico. The Mexican Legislature annexed it the last deacde and gave it the name, "Chalupa."

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:15 | 6563949 TruxtonSpangler
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Isnt this what started the first civil war? Antebelum 2.0

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:29 | 6563971 Manthong
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If the rebels could capture Fort Hood, it would be a good start.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 05:17 | 6564184 jeff montanye
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as i see it the most vulnerable chink in the armor of the corrupt triad consisting of the u.s. government (especially national security, regulatory and justice-judicial)/transnational corporations (especially financial, media, energy, communications and military-industrial)/zionist-neoconservative-israeli forces is 9-11.  everything else is pretty well hidden or open for debate or caught up in partisan politics.

9-11 is different.  it is the bridge too far.  it is the overreach that can be demonstrated to be false.  polls over the years show u.s. citizens are less and less believing of the government's incredible (as in not credible) story.  rand paul and others are trying to get secret pages of the 9-11 report (which doesn't mention building 7) declassified.  a new movie by the highly credible and non-partisan architects and engineers for 9-11 truth (now has added firefighters to the mix) has just been released:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsoY3AIRUGA

once a growing majority of the nation (and it is already larger than many imagine) see through this lie, many things become possible.  it starts to peel back like an onion.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 06:35 | 6564241 VinceFostersGhost
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Attack and defeat Austin.....the rest will be a breeze.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 12:28 | 6565651 cdevidal
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Austin has been voting Democrat for a long time. I'd say the attack came years ago and the defeat is almost complete.

In other news, the likelihood of Obama and thugs allowing the separation of a huge tax-paying state that offsets much of the higher unemployment in other states on the official government stats is...

well let me put it this way...

Anyone got a weather report on Hades?

Oh, here it is. Sunny and warm.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 18:58 | 6567323 Newsboy
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Texas is full of non-Texans these days.

Until they go away, Texas can't secede. Moot point.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:35 | 6563970 Things that go bump
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The Civil War wasn't fought to free the slaves Those northern boys didn't go out to bleed and die for that. Would you? No one's that altruistic. Lincoln despised blacks and was opposed to freeing them. The southern boys weren't on the battlefield in defense of slavery. The south seceded because the agricultural south couldn't compete with the northern manufacturing states. All the filthy lucre was going north and they were being impoverished. Frankly the south was getting the short end of the stick. They thought they'd do better on their own. They probably would have. Slavery had nearly outlived its usefulness in any case. It was just another banker war. What they taught you in school about the motives for the Civil War was tailored to form the proper opinion. 

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:56 | 6564011 I need Another Beer
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Thank you. Thousand ups

 

 

I forgot, most zero heads blame the joos for the war between the states. And their hemorroids too. Hence ZERO HEAD

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 02:56 | 6564056 LeBalance
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what about "it was another banker war" does not equate to you as joos? / just saying /

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 05:08 | 6564175 Zero Point
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Yeah, I think he needs another




Eh... fuck it. Can't work out how to get my C/P of the word "beer" in Hebrew to work. ????
Fri, 09/18/2015 - 06:43 | 6564253 Urban Redneck
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The Reformation perhaps... of course there is also that plethora of joo bankers who financed Imperial China's wars, and Persia's, and the Ottomans' (and just to piss of the politically correct... all those warring Native 'Murican Empires).  

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 02:54 | 6564054 Casey Stengel
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Here in the south it's called, "the war of the northern aggression", and nobody smiles when it's said.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 05:26 | 6564192 Ofelas
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"The Civil War wasn't fought to free the slaves"

 

of course it was, and Iraq was invaded to bring them freedome, libya was bombed to bring them freedome, Syria will be bombed to bring them freedome....so on got another 180 to go

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:39 | 6563989 pachanguero
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Civil war fought over Slaves?  You are a dumb mother fucker if buy that one.

Please just blow your pea size mind out your fat ass.  Get it over with now.... and save some "slave" the trouble.....

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 06:46 | 6564256 DirkDiggler11
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Damn Tiiny Tim, are you really that stupid ? Common core education at its finest en ?

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 07:50 | 6564380 OceanX
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If you attend a Texas school, you must take a Texas history class, to graduate.  One of the things they teach is, Texas has a unique Constitution.  It is the only state in the Union that has the right to leave anytime. Part or the agreement to join the U.S.

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Fri, 09/18/2015 - 10:24 | 6564998 post turtle saver
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wrong, wrong, fucking wrong... that was at the beginning, then the Civil War happened... now they can't secede, they can only rebel...

I'm going to keep saying that until it fucking sinks in... Texas can only _rebel_, they cannot _secede_... there is a difference and if you don't know what that difference is then you have no business discussing this topic...

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 12:52 | 6565773 VictoryOrDeath
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Is that what your good little government funded public school text book taught you tiny Tim?  Perhpas you should go back and read books that were printed during and directly after the war to get a true perspective of the causes.  Saying the South went to war over slavery, is like saying the U.S. went to war over Iraq over the desire to spread democracy to the poor suppressed people under the dictatorship of Saddam.  Absolute horseshit.  You must be a shill.  Or just ignorant.  Or perhaps an ignorant shill.  I like that better.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 05:21 | 6564188 Ofelas
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depends where you start from, they secessed from Mexico first..

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 06:59 | 6564266 undercover brother
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retard

 

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:40 | 6563991 Farqued Up
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Not all of us, Cooter.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:57 | 6563639 MalteseFalcon
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"Will The Lone Star State Secede?"

No.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:44 | 6563769 TeamDepends
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That is, at best, a guess. This country is shattering and nothing can stop it. It might be Texas, it might be a few counties in northern Colorado or California. It might be a town, a neighborhood, a region. A recent poll says 30% of Americans support a military coup of OUR OWN GOVERNMENT. Barry promised to halve the deficit and that marriage consisted of "one man and one woman". Communists ("progressives" for you candy-asses) are serial liars. There are still large numbers of moral, upstanding people in this country. There is no common ground shared by these two groups, they can not co-exist.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:16 | 6563951 TruxtonSpangler
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I hear you, problem is PUBLIC conservatives are serial liars too.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:29 | 6563969 Macon Richardson
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You on the right tracks, Trux. Public conservatives are serial liars too. Well put.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 06:38 | 6564246 VinceFostersGhost
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Barry promised to halve the deficit

 

HE LIES!!!

 

If you want your marxist lier......you can keep your marxist lier.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 08:01 | 6564418 drendebe10
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The despicable arrogant fudgepacker is a pathological liar.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 08:06 | 6564432 Freddie
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Texas had two Waco mass murders and they did nothing.

They worship football and their high school, college and pro Trayvon thug like little sissy fanboys. Until they unplug the Trayvon worship then they are a joke like the rest of the white males who cheer on white genocide.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:14 | 6563833 83_vf_1100_c
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  I am in East TX. Signed a petition for this just t'other day. I am a bit torn as I can see the good and the bad but fuck DC! As for a popular vote? Again not clear cut. Lots of non TX folks here, Californians and such. Lots of FSA folks and illegals. The feds won't let it happen without a shooting war.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 10:25 | 6565003 post turtle saver
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you're exactly the level of intelligence I'd expect from east Texas... you fail Texas history, sir...

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 03:28 | 6564095 zerocash
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"Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."

-- Betteridge's law of headlines

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 07:29 | 6564336 HolyfieldsOtherEar
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Remember when Texas tried to ban the TSA? The federal government responded with a threat to blockade Texas airspace -- an act of war.

Texas won't be allowed to secede. It's not part of the NAU plan at all, I think.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:45 | 6563775 ebworthen
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Mexico?

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 03:01 | 6564065 atomicwasted
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That implies a bunch of slaveholding white aristocrats in a decadent plantation culture ever rose in the first place.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 04:58 | 6564169 new game
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i think you just described merica today. color matters not! plebs, off to da corp plantation, ha...

collective collectives collecting very little and losing freedom faster than the sw is drying up, ha again...

what cha gonna do when they come lookin for ya all?

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Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:52 | 6563623 franciscopendergrass
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US government is probably saying, "What gold?"

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:13 | 6563680 homeskillet
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The University of Texas better get its gold, as well.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 07:01 | 6564268 Dis-obey
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Houston we have a problem

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:45 | 6563596 Mr Pink
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If they vote "yes" I'm selling my house and packing my bags

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:55 | 6563631 CrazyCooter
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Going which way?

Regards,

Cooter

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:10 | 6563671 homeskillet
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Most people saying they would move to Texas have most likely never been there. It's hot as hell. The landscpe is rugged and unforgiving. It's ranked near the bottom in child, poverty, education, etc....I lived there 18 years and I got the utter shits about hearing how great Texas was. The Alamo was mostly fought by New Yorkers, Kentuckians, Pennsylvanians...there were more people from the UK fighting there than Texans. Tell that to a "Texan" and it really bends them out of shape. Tejas is an economic drain on the country as one poster wrote, but not becasue of the "illegal immigrants"...the Mexicans work their collective asses off(for the most part) and actually have vialble skills. I know I'll get a bunch of downvotes for this. Mostly from people who like to believe what they think....or Texans.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:20 | 6563695 Stainless Steel Rat
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I descend from an Alamo defender.  I live in Texas.  I am moving to Veneta Oregon to start a bed and breakfast and basset hound rescue when I sell my company.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:27 | 6563712 countryboy42
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Good luck. I too am aLamo defender offspring. I also live in Texas.

Oregon was a great state, before California moved in. The N. Umpqua river steelhead fishing was great. Now, the state is going to tax you on miles drivin.

I do not know. Upper Arizona?

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:55 | 6563794 TheEndIsNear
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Look me up when you get to Veneta! I'm in Deadwood, about a 45 minute drive west of Veneta on Highway 36. :D

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:34 | 6563870 ChargingHandle
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Veneta will get old quick bro. I'd know. Check.areas further north. 

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:16 | 6563950 Guns N Metals
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You didn't learn shit in 18 years, and nobody likes you.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 00:06 | 6568160 homeskillet
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I wanted to learn to do some masonry in Texas. I thought it would be cool to apprentice for a few years. I was old for the work, but thought I'd try my hand at it, seeing some of the nice German work in Fredericksburg and the Hill Country. Guess who were the only skilled masons left...yep, Mexicans. I couldn't find one English speaking mason within 400 miles. "Texans" would just shoot a bunch of shit saying how independent they are when the Mexicans were doing the real fucking work. Go ahead and give the down votes for the truth. Shows how fucking stupid and flacid this country has become.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 03:03 | 6564067 atomicwasted
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People love to talk about how economically free Texas is - until they run into the buzzsaw of the middlemen.  Nowhere in America do distributors of anything have such strong political pull.  Good luck making and selling anything in TX without giving up half or more of your profits to some distributor they force you to have.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:43 | 6563992 Farqued Up
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Don't leave without me, I lived there 30 years.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:46 | 6563599 robertsgt40
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This Texan seceded decades ago.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:44 | 6563771 daveO
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They didn't leave in 1913, 33, or 71. Now, with millions of Yankee invaders, they damned sure aren't going to vote for independence.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:19 | 6563839 Oscar Mayer
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That No State Without Its Consent

Restoring the Republic.

The 17th amendment supposedly amends Article 1 Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution, it does not amend Article 5, which prohibits taking the state's right to equal suffrage in the senate via amendment and without the state's expressed consent. As per Article 5, each individual state, all 50 of them, must consent to the 17th, and if only one state withdraws its consent, the 17th is automatically voided.

" ~ that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate."

It doesn't say, unless three fourths of the other states decide otherwise.

"No State, Without Its Consent."

The 17th was unconstitutional from its inception, Alabama; Florida; Georgia (refused to vote on it); Kentucky; Maryland; Mississippi; Rhode Island; South Carolina; Virginia; Utah (explicitly rejected amendment);. Did not consent.

The 17th is basically, a nonbinding agreement that is held in place by the rule of custom and ignorance.

Being unlawful to begin with, the 17th does not need to go through the repeal process, all the states' have to do is withdraw their consent to it, as per Article 5, and seat their selection of Senators.

IF the states' legislators were to do this, it would effectively end the 100+ year rule of progressive (statist) democracy and restore the Republic. It would also decimate the DNC/RNC national party apparatus and cut the corporate bribery funneled through campaign funding by half, leaving the remaining half ineffectual. It would force people who divide themselves along party lines to seek common ground and common goals to counter state's ambitions in congress. And of course, it would toss the biggest monkey wrench into the gears of the Neoliberal/Neocon's nation destroying, empire building machinations.

Over time, the people would withdraw their attention from the newly established Federal and focus upon the politics of local and state import, and states will regain their individual, independent personalities, establishing laws that work towards their own population's ends independent of other states and of Federal interference. We would, once again, become a nation of states, distinct.

States' reputation of the unconstitutional 17th represents the fulcrum, the point at which the ever expanding centralized fascist police state can be overturned. All that needs to be done is to convince the states' legislators (the lever) that it is in their best interests to do it. They stick that one constitution based step into D.C., and we'll rush them with more constitution based reforms.

If nothing else, we'll find out for certain which side of the totalitarian fence the states are standing on.

The only thing I would suggest to the states' legislators when they 'write' the enabling law, is that they stipulate that the selectee must be native born to their state and have served for a minimum of six years in elected public service within the state.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:23 | 6563848 Fester
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Nigga Please

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 10:19 | 6564978 post turtle saver
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Texas can't secede, they can only rebel... in fact, that goes for every state in the US... I'm tired of going over this time and time again, the author of this article is an idiot who doesn't know law or history... this was only submitted for click bait, fucking pathetic...

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:35 | 6563563 TeamDepends
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Do it Texas, let's get this (Tea) party started!

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:51 | 6563617 Lost My Shorts
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I'd just like to say, to the good people of Texas ... please please please please please and don't let the butt hit your door on the way out.

Summun gotta fight 'Ran, and it ain't gonna be us librls.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:14 | 6563683 Uncle Sugar
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You up voted your own comment, didn't you? Stay in California.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:25 | 6563850 83_vf_1100_c
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  Eat a bag of dicks you stateist. Remember, when the last drop of water runs from your faucet there will be checkpoints up in W TX and getting in won't be as easy. Guess you'll be headed North. I suggest Canada.

  I do get how the States should hang together or surely hang separately. But for a long time I have watched DC trample those principles the founding fathers put forth as a basis for a nation. Looks like to me the contract is null and void. I'll bet OK will join us, more? This go round we have oil, military bases, industry. The South could rise again.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:48 | 6563891 Son of Loki
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There may be hope for Texas yet. Guvnor Abbott is slow-looking but no dummy. I actually worked not far from him one summer part time when he was a Supreme Court Justice there and he is pretty smart, just very quiet. He is extremely honest and a much more careful thinker then his predecessors. I'd vote for him.

 

It's too bad the Kornifornians and Katrina peeples came in and conquered Austin. Used to be a great place ... but now too much traffic, crime out of control, and extremely expensive.

 

I am glad I moved out long ago.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 03:05 | 6564070 atomicwasted
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Dear Texans,

Please believe your own propaganda that you are better off without us than with us.  We wish you all the best as your own independent republic and welcome you to the exit of the US.

If you don't mind, could you please take Florida with you?  Arizona, too, as it is the Florida of the West?  Thank you very much!

Cordially,

America 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:37 | 6563569 papaswamp
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Better have a standing army ready.... I suspect the neighbors to the south will attempt to aquire more land.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:48 | 6563588 Bro of the Sorr...
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i suspect that if texas actually goes through with this there will be a wave of immigration from the other 49 states, largely comprised of gun toting, small government stackers. will they repudiate their portion of the national debt? perhaps a new currency? it makes me all tingly. 

 

edit: i know itll never happen though. 

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:17 | 6563953 froze25
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I would open a pharmaceutical manufacturer in Texas in a heart beat making regular antibiotics in TEXAS is the left. I know plenty of other "can do" and "have done" people in other real industry that would be on board after a brief consideration.  

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 08:30 | 6564516 kralizec
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I have kin in Texas and would take all my lake-bottom booty and haul there in a heartbeat if they asserted their independence.

Better to live standing up free and armed than on your knees a slave.

But I despair I may not get to see this in my lifetime...

 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:37 | 6563570 LetThemEatRand
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Why would Texas Secede?  They are a HUGE recipient of federal funds.  

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:45 | 6563595 shovelhead
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You mean the Mexicans in Texas.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:13 | 6563669 dexter_morgan
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LOL - when Illinois and Minnesota show up in the top 4 least dependent you know this analysis is fucking bogus. Nice try though.

Montana - one of most dependent. So the Feds come in, grab up a shitload of your land for national parks, etc, and the cost of maintaining that gets counted againsts the state even though the state had no choice.

LOFL - nice.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:18 | 6563687 LetThemEatRand
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"Houston, we have a problem"

Federal workers (NASA) talking to other federal employees.  Fuck Texas and its hyprocisy.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:30 | 6563853 e_goldstein
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The US can keep NASA. For the most part their employees are batshit. Now about all that military hardware stationed here? We're going to nationalize that.

We're also going to need a Pacific port, so we're going to annex all the land from the top of Colorado (yeah, we're taking that back too despite the fact the original agreement with the US says we have to break up into 3 states if we were to leave the Union--consider it our way of saying 'fuck you very much') west to the Pacific. We'll (force march) allow all loyal Americans who don't want to live in (the income tax free) Greater Republic of Texas to leave.

Now, that 20% or so of that refined petroleum that we provide to the US, we'll still sell that to you... for solid gold (not tungsten). Hell, we'll even allow AMTrack to keep running to Texas, provided that's how you deliver our gold to us (at your transportation and insurance costs).

No, but really the above is satire, and I'm a loyal American who still loves Jesus, and Obama, and Caitlyn(wtf?) and Walmart and I could never dream of Texas becoming its own sovereign again.

 

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:36 | 6563868 LetThemEatRand
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I remember when America was proud of NASA landing a man on the moon.   It's fucked up that we can't appreciate that anymore.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:48 | 6563895 e_goldstein
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I agree.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 02:20 | 6564026 Herd Redirectio...
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Too bad it was a hoax.  Mind you, the most elaborate hoax in history.  A magnificent work of art.  But fake as fuck.  They should have been jumping 7 feet in the air.  Did you see that?  I certainly didn't.  They hit a hammer into the lunar soil, and it made a sound!  Really?! 

The nation desperately need positive propaganda, and Stanley Kubrick was hired.  His wife's uncle was a famous Nazi propagandist, that directed "Jud Suss" (check it out).

http://www.reactorbreach.com/showthread.php?tid=4891

Also check "Make Believe: Enhanced" on Youtube.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:57 | 6564013 Farqued Up
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Russian rockets to the space station.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:41 | 6563974 Guns N Metals
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You're a horses ass. We don't need NASA, we got all the space we need right here inside our own borders.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 03:07 | 6564074 atomicwasted
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No one is a welfare mom as much as a middle aged doughy white man who's never produced a goddamn thing and has sucked off NASA's tit his whole "working" life. That goes for contractors too.

Full disclosure: I used to be one, so I know of what I speak.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:46 | 6563597 dexter_morgan
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Maybe to get rid of all those FSA recipients?

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:57 | 6563638 LetThemEatRand
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You mean the shale oil companies?

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 06:52 | 6564261 Ace Ventura
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I think he means ALL of the FSA, which includes them too.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:40 | 6563574 techpreist
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Where are they gathering signatures to get this on the ballot? Texans need to get out there and represent!

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:42 | 6563578 lehmen_sisters
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I lived In Houston for 2 years... That state secceeds and I'll pack my shit and head back . Great state, feels like America.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:44 | 6563591 junction
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Not according to Alex Jones, who says downtown parts of Austin now resemble a third world South American country.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:48 | 6563604 shovelhead
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Because it's filled with University Socialists and Communists?

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:49 | 6563607 lehmen_sisters
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Austin is not Texas.... Austin is a bunch of Obama loving fucks.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:59 | 6563645 CrazyCooter
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Austin was a beautiful place ... about 40 years ago. Like any wonderful place, worthless/valueless eaters show up and fuck the denominator seven ways to Sunday. I love Texas, but I left for a reason - I know what is coming when folks from out of state keep moving in with corp offices and out of state employees.

Like fucking locusts.

Regards,

Cooter

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:11 | 6563673 delacroix
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they did that to disneyland too.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 03:14 | 6564081 Kobe Beef
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Detroit was a beautiful place 50 years ago. So was New Orleans. So was Los Angeles. So was St. Louis.

But Beautiful was bad. Vibrant is sooo much better.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:26 | 6563963 sprintjump
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facefuck is there, for cryin' out loud. Love the state, but Austin has become its cancer.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 02:33 | 6564036 Savyindallas
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wrong  -Houston and dallas are far worse. I live in dallas. Three grown sons in Austin. One is having to move to Houston  -he is sick about it  -I don't blame him. There is plenty of "cancer" in Dallas and Houston. You may disagree if you are a Rick Perry type Republican, a Christian Zionist or Neocon. Rick Perry and ted Cruz are frauds -all true conservatives and knowledgeable people understand this.  

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 02:27 | 6564030 Savyindallas
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It's being invaded by Californians driving up the real estate prices  -also  -too damn many foreigners  -Univ. of Texas seems to be predominantly Asian, Indian and Third world. Local texans find it impossible to get in. 

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 07:31 | 6564341 Lanka
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In STEM MS and PhD programs, foreigners are the majority in almost all US universities. 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:05 | 6563661 Dog Will Hunt
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I didn't downvote you, but how can you see past all the goddamned hipsters to even give a shit whose ass they're licking?  This town's a fucking dump regardless of who votes what.   

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:47 | 6563756 Arthur Schopenhauer
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I'm a Texan. And I'm a Democrat. I'm a hardass fucking Democrat.

First things first: You ain't gonna take my fucking guns. And that goes for every last one of you George Bush Patriot Act supporting mutherfuckers!!!

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:18 | 6563837 Arthur Schopenhauer
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I'll drive my pickup truck through the wall and scatter every one of those fucking bastards.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:21 | 6563842 LetThemEatRand
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Better get elected to national office and/or work for a foreign government first, as both have "diplomatic immunity."

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:39 | 6563879 Arthur Schopenhauer
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Well, I spent a lifetime lickin' for you

Single bars and good time lovers were never true

Playin' a fool's game, hopin' to win

And tellin' those sweet lies and losin' again.

Chorus

I was lickin' for love in all the wrong places

lickin' for love in too many faces

Searchin' their eyes, lickin' for traces

Of what I'm dreamin' of

Hopin' to find a friend and a lover

I'll bless the day I discover,

Another heart- lickin' for love.

 

And I was alone then, no love in sight

An' I did every thing I could to get me through the night

don't know where it started or where it might end

I'd turn to a stranger just like a friend.

 

Chorus

I was lickin' for love in all the wrong places

lickin' for love in too many faces

Searchin' their eyes, lickin' for traces

Of what I'm dreamin' of

Hopin' to find a friend and a lover

I'll bless the day I discover,

Another heart- lickin' for love.

 

And you came knockin' on my hearts door

You're everything I've been lickin' for

No more lickin' for love in all the wrong places

Lickin' for love in too many faces

Searchin' their eyes, lickin' for traces

Of what I'm dreamin' of

Now that I found a friend and a lover

I'll bless the day I discover you-oh you

 

(lickin' for love) In all the wrong places

(lickin' for love) In too many faces

Searchin' their eyes, lickin' for traces

Of what I'm dreamin' of

Now that I found a friend and a lover

I'll bless the day I discover you-oh you

Lickin' for love

(In all the wrong places ...)

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:28 | 6563854 Ima anal sphincter
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A positive, you ain't gonna take my fucking guns.

A negativeI'm a Democrat.

And the one that sunk you, George Bush Patriot Act supporting mutherfuckers.

This is Zero Hedge. The readers aren't fools here. Exactly where are you going with all that shit above???

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:44 | 6563887 Meat Hammer
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He identified his beliefs first by identifying his party affiliation.

NEXT!

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:31 | 6563972 sprintjump
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Arthur Schopenhauer, I'd love to see your blow up as I humbly inform you... http://www.newrepublic.com/article/politics/rhetorical-question

In the wake of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, Biden did, in fact, champion an anti-terrorism bill similar to the one now before Congress (though it was, as he complains, badly watered down by anti-government conservatives and leftist civil libertarians). And Biden doesn't let you forget it. "I introduced the terrorism bill in '94 that had a lot of these things in it," he bragged to NBC's Tim Russert on September 30. When I spent the day with him later that week, Biden mentioned the legislation to me, and to several other reporters he encountered, no fewer than seven times. "When I was chairman in '94 I introduced a major antiterrorism bill--back then," he says in the morning, flashing a knowing grin and pausing for effect. (Never mind that he's gotten the year wrong.) Back in his office later that afternoon, he brings it up yet again. "I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing. And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill." You don't say.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 02:23 | 6564027 Savyindallas
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I live in Dallas  -3 adult sons in Austin. I have been a political conservative activist in Texas on a large scale since 1990. Yes there  are a lot of Liberals and democrats there -but do you prefer pro-zionist, evangellical dispensationalists who permeate the State? There are and were far more Ron Paul bumper stickers and supporters in Austin than any where else in Texas. Anti-war, anti-patriot Act, anti-Wall Street. Yes some of them smoke pot -but who cares. 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:02 | 6563654 TeamDepends
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Jones might be living in those slums after his jew wife gets done with him in divorce court.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:16 | 6563822 Arthur Schopenhauer
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Alex Jones wants you to buy his medicine and tells you that you should be living in a dumpster if you know whats good for you.

He is telling you he wants you to hire five extra Columbian snipers and buy 10 tons of razor wire to protect your property from Obama's jack-booted thugs who are comin' ta git ya!!!!

L i b t a r d s  a r e  d e v i l s.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:31 | 6563726 Implied Violins
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I lived in Houston for over 4 years ('96-2000) and all along I've been telling people here in Cal that it was horrible: the heat and humidity, tropical storms, palmetto bugs, cricket invasions, bible thumpers, crumbling roadways, grackles...but then I think back on it, and damned if I didn't get a great education, have great friends, and had the best dating scene I've ever seen. So yeah...I'm pining for those fjords now, too. And not of the Betty kind.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:01 | 6563803 divingengineer
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What the fuck's a grackle?

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:04 | 6563811 Arthur Schopenhauer
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A Mexican blackbird.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:52 | 6563911 Albertarocks
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And what the fuck's a palmetto bug?

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:44 | 6563993 StychoKiller
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A very large cockroach!

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:06 | 6563810 Arthur Schopenhauer
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That was money you smelled, skippy. Too bad you didn't get any of it.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:45 | 6563592 dexter_morgan
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The question of secession on a ballot it is a one.

Whaaaat? Speak English please.

Is this Ralph Kramden - " He drives a dus, a dus he dribes".

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:49 | 6563608 Shadow1275
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This will probably never happen. Any chance of secession by a single state would be crushed by the Federal government. But it should happen anyway. Someone needs to break the ice in order to inspire others to follow.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:10 | 6563663 Albertarocks
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When Texas signed up, they wisely made it perfectly clear that they retained the right to leave the union any time they like.  Both Texas and the USA signed it.  Texas has every legal right to leave and the Feds have absolutely no right to stop it.  But of course the Federal gov't, being the completely corrupt fascist monster that it is, will do everything in their power to demonize Texas and Texans.

Personally, I have never met a Texan I didn't like.  I haven't met many face to face, but I have met and befriended a lot of them on the internet.  It's because they think like I do.  And I think like all other Albertans.  We have the same mindset as Texans and a whole lot of Texans work up here in the oil business... and vice versa.  Personally I'm behind Texas regardless of their decision.  I think most Albertans would be because we generally won't take much shit from our fed. gov't either.  We have had way more than our fair share of that already.  Nope... not any more baby.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:10 | 6563670 techpreist
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Even though every state has the right to leave, the feds will conveniently forget the paint, paint the people as a throwback to slavery, and then invade.

How many nations with a right to exist and do business on their own has the US already invaded? In the last 5 years?

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:14 | 6563684 Albertarocks
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Is that a fact... that every state has the legal right to secede?  I know for certain that Texas has that on paper but I didn't know the others did.

In any case, you make valid points for sure.  The feds would definitely fight it.  How, I'm not sure.  Whatever it is, it might even represent the first seeds of revolution.  I hope not, but I wouldn't doubt it.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:02 | 6563808 daveO
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The Union was originally voluntary. Abraham Lincoln made it involuntary. Texas signed that agreement before Abe came along. Now, we just wait for a peaceful dissolution ala the USSR. We may have to bury members of the Free Sh!t Army in mass graves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_annexation

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 07:40 | 6564363 Lanka
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Under a Corporate bankruptcy settlement, the US could divest itself of Texas and give it to bankers.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:38 | 6563986 Ima anal sphincter
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Alberta..... its been a while. Good to see you back.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 06:21 | 6564234 Albertarocks
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Thanks asshole.  LOL

Good to see you too.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 04:10 | 6564125 IronForge
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Guess the Separatists need to stock up on some Crypto Coin, Physical Gold, and Silver...

^_-

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:39 | 6563758 Implied Violins
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Know what this makes me wonder about, though? Ever hear of that mythical state of 'Aztlan?'

http://illegalaliens.us/aztlan.htm

This makes me wonder if this might be part of a greater plan to break up America. With the drought in the western states leading to an exodus of people living there and the influx of illegal immigrants moving in, this is something to watch. This might be part of a greater globalist plan to reduce America to third-world status, making it easier to move forward with their plans. FWIW.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 00:07 | 6563820 daveO
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They are collapsing the US, mainly, with debt. That's all you need to know. Immigration is a distraction. Coincidentally, those immigrants are coming from other debt laden countries who are closer to the ideal NWO debt slave plantation.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:54 | 6563618 Ruteger
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If they vote successfully to seced, this IT worker will actively seek relocating to TX ASAP. WA State resident. Beautiful country here, but going liberal PC insane.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 02:11 | 6564019 duck dodgers
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Im in SW WA. We'll convoy together.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:55 | 6563632 Dog Will Hunt
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The question of secession on a ballot it is a one.

 

Proofread.  It's a simple goddamned rule--how hard is it to follow?  Jesus buttfuckin' Christ.  

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 01:01 | 6563930 Arthur Schopenhauer
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Trump followers will not notice it.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 22:56 | 6563637 franciscopendergrass
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Does that mean texas will be building a fence around Mexico and the rest of the USSA?

 

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 05:34 | 6564196 DollarMenu
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No, probably the US would cordon off Texas and impose economic sanctions, just like they did to Cuba.

I don't know about Mexico, maybe try to reestablish their land claims?

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:01 | 6563650 homeskillet
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My Uncle always said if you gave a Texan an enema, you could bury him in a matchbox. You can apply this to the Texas legislature most of all.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:20 | 6563696 dexter_morgan
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jeaolousy is such an ugly emotion

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 00:10 | 6568165 homeskillet
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So you're a fan of the Texas legislature? LOL...I knew a whole bunch of legislators and lobyists down in Texas...makes DC look like the BoyScouts....you people live in a fantasyland thinking Texas succeeding would be some sort of liberatarian paradise.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:46 | 6563780 silverer
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I heard that if bullshit was snow, Texas could ski.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:02 | 6563653 i_call_you_my_base
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No state would ever be allowed to leave. The US screws countries far bigger than "Texas". It would inflict so much economic pain they would be begging to return. Any state would.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:12 | 6563678 techpreist
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Name one country the US imposed sanctions on, that caused said country to say "hey, my bad," and then do what they were told?

You attack a group of people, you galvanize them to hate you. This is why every invasion we've tried in the last decade and a half has blown up in our face.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:26 | 6563706 i_call_you_my_base
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Seriously? How about the entire middle east. All of north africa. Many parts of asia. All of south america. Look at those places. They are destroyed and they still do the USs bidding. None openly oppose the US. The difference is that Texas is on the US's border and the US will take them back. The other places the US will leave as an empty crater.

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 07:38 | 6564361 2handband
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Wonder why you're getting downvoted. You're right.

Actually I do know. Because following this line of thinking inevitably forces one to acknowledge exactly how fucked we are. Give it up, folks. There's no way out. I see no cause for hope or optimism. 

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:42 | 6563764 Shadow1275
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Look up the banana trade wars between the EU and the U.S. 

http://www.globalissues.org/article/63/the-banana-trade-war

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 05:36 | 6564199 DollarMenu
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How about Germany?

They still operate under US occupation, can't even get their gold.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:15 | 6563686 TeamDepends
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That is loser talk. The Federal Government is not God.

Thu, 09/17/2015 - 23:19 | 6563692 dexter_morgan
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was it over when the germans atacked pearl harbor - hell no!

Fri, 09/18/2015 - 05:39 | 6564204 DollarMenu
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Germans - Pearl Harbor?  I don't get it.  Where do the Japanese fit in?

Or is this 21st century sarc?

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