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Obama Folds Again, To Begin Syria Military Talks With Russia "Very Shortly"
Ever since Russia began stepping up its technical and logistical support for Bashar al-Assad’s forces at Latakia, Washington has insisted that Moscow’s intentions “aren’t yet clear.”
Essentially, that’s the excuse the US is giving for why it won’t join Russia in what would ultimately amount to an all-out push to rout ISIS in Syria.
The problem with that excuse, is that it creates a problem in terms of how the public perceives the situation. That is, the more explicit the Kremlin became about its aims in Syria, the harder it became for The White House to explain why the US isn’t on board.
The West has gone to great lengths to create a bogeyman par excellence in ISIS and it has, from the public’s perspective anyway, largely succeeded. However, Russia’s presence in Syria now means that the US will no longer be able to sit back and wait for ISIS (or anyone else for that matter) to overrun Assad. Russian military intervention has effectively taken that eventuality off the table, putting Washington in the extremely awkward position of having to either i) explain to the public that in fact Assad and Russia are the greater threats and therefore it’s in the US’s geopolitical interests to see if ISIS can finish the job even with the Russians on the ground, or ii) cave and admit privately that unless the US intends to go to war with Russia, Assad, and ISIS all at once, achieving the original goal (i.e. routing ISIS once ISIS routs Assad) is no longer possible, and say publicly that the US is willing to partner with Russia to defeat ISIS and the two nations will then negotiate for the future of the Assad regime.
To be clear, the first option is obviously a no-go because it blows the entire charade wide open.
As for the second option, as of Friday, it’s now in play. Here’s The New York Times:
Secretary of State John Kerry said on Friday that the United States was prepared to engage in military-to-military talks with Russiaconcerning Syria.
“The president believes that a military-to-military conversation is an important next step,” Mr. Kerry said, “and I think, hopefully, it will take place very shortly.”
The initial purpose of the talks with Russia, Mr. Kerry said, will be to help “define some of the different options that are available to us as we consider next steps in Syria.”
Mr. Kerry said that the Obama administration would not change its basic goals in Syria: The defeat the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, and a political solution for the conflict there.
But though the administration has long said that President Bashar al-Assad must go for there to be a durable solution to the Syria crisis, Mr. Kerry seemed on Friday to allow for the possibility that Mr. Assad might remain in power in the short term. Mr. Assad has had Russia’s backing throughout the conflict.
“Our focus remains on destroying ISIL and also on a political settlement with respect to Syria, which we believe cannot be achieved with a long-term presence of Assad,” Mr. Kerry said. “But we’re looking for ways in which to try to find a common ground. Clearly, if you’re going to have a political settlement, which we have always argued is the best and only way to resolve Syria, you need to have conversations with people, and you need to find a common ground.”
And so, two years (nearly to the day) after Kerry folded to Sergei Lavrov over Assad's chemical weapons stash (the pretext for the original attempt to justify ousting Assad by military force), the US looks set to fold again.
Note that if Russia ends up negotiating for Assad to remain in power, all of this will have been for nothing. Make no mistake, none of it was "justified" in the first place. Engineering a civil war by funding and training extremists knowing that the resultant chaos will cost the lives of countless civilians would be deplorable even if the regime one sought to overthrow was unequivocally evil and the outcome was 100% certain. In Syria however, what you have is another example of a Mid-East strongman being destabilized by the West only to find that i) the human suffering brought on by the fighting and the chaos that reigns in its aftermath is far worse than the oppression the people suffered under the regime's rule, and ii) the outcome is far from certain and in this case, it appears that thanks to Russia, Assad isn't going anywhere.
So at the end of the day, hundreds of thousands of lives will have been wasted only to see the very same regime in power, only now, mutliple violent extremist groups that otherwise might not have existed will likely be present in one form or another in the region for decades to come.
Another US foreign policy success story.
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Obama is the worst president of my lifetime, and I was alive during the Carter administration.
-Argenta
Putin is actually expanding Russian influence. Not sure he has the capital to do it, but first Ukraine & now this.
Any explanation that doesnt describe the Syria conflict as between Sunni /Arabian/ American Gas export and Shiite / Iranian/ Russian gas
Russia and Assad are not the bad guys here, and as an American it really pains me to say that. We created that horrible ISIS and even though we are "attacking" them we are being intentionally ineffective so they can overthrow Assad. I do not want my country to be what it has become.
Not another war! The president isn't meant to have this power It's supposed to be a vote in Congress, whoich hasnt happended since WWII.
I agree with what Rand said. Most times, when we go topple a foreign dictator the region becomes more unstable. Look at ISIS in Iraq.
I'm not sure this is part of their plan to create more war and more enmies, but tha is what is happening. If you want topple Assad then go over and join ISIS. But please, don't send over anymore of young men to die for regime cgange thousands miles away.
I don't know what the fuss is all about. Our man Kerry is on the job so I am quite confident that this will all go down smoothly and the result will be in the best interests of the USA.
Do I sound like MDB? I hope so because I was really trying.
Obama:
Vlad, please be gentle and use the vaseline...
Putin: Nyet, in Russia we use pig fat with garlic! But best part comes after when you fart in Michelle/Michaels face, DA!
obama makes a wet noodle look strong. too much smoking choom and sucking dick i guess.
< Obama folds.
< Obama bends over.
Lets hope his actins are better than his cycling.
Does his bike have four pedals, or two ?
"loshad litso"
Russian for "horse face"
Loshadinoe litso - have to make horse into an adjective.
3 petals, and one tee shirt says; "I got elected and all I got was a lousy Noble Prize"
He's mighty "audacious."
Every presidency since Eisenhower has been worse then the last. That must be telling us something.
MvM, that was better than MDB... at least you were kidding... or were you? :)
"their plan(:)" ..is the so-called Yinon Plan where Isrealhell's hegemony extends from the Nile to the Euphrates by deconstructing sovereigns into sectarian violence, the ole Rottenchild's divide and conquer technique.
Hard to sort this out using good guy vs. bad guy scenario. Not sure if the people getting their homes blown up and their kids getting raped really give a shit.
More chaos.
American citizens will be punished more and probably Europeans because the evil zio-State dept will require America take 50 million more Muslims. This is an humanitarian gestyure for what the USA, Qatar, Suadis, Turkey and Israel have done to create mass murder of innocent people in Syria, Iraq, Libya and neighboring areas.
And any of you Putin and Russia haters including Syria and Syrian christian haters - send your kids and family off to die in Bibi's wars. As his cronies Soros, Zuckerberg, Adelson, Saban and the rest destroy America.
“the human suffering brought on by the fighting and the chaos that reigns in its aftermath is far worse than the oppression the people suffered under the regime's rule”
Exactly what oppression has the present Syrian government brought to the people of that country?
Specific incidents, dates, locations please.
It's bad enough when the peanut gallery competes to suck Putin's cock, add Assad to that train and the farce of the Great (or Innocent) Nation State seems really queer.
The uprising in Syria was an organic revolt, until the foreigners became involved (namely Qatar and KSA) when the US chose to go after Q'Daffy instead, claiming that long standing tribal conflicts and open civil war were actually civilian repression.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Hamza_Ali_Al-Khateeb
https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/MDE24/016/2012/en/
Then again despite proof of Einstein's characterization of insanity (cunts like Susan Power, Susan Rice, Condoleza Rice, Hitlery, Madeline-not-so-Bright, and Frau Ferkel) many [insane] people still haven't realized that having a vagina should be a statutory disqualification from being allowed to engage in foreign policy at the highest levels.
Send your boys to carjackistan to be maimed or killed...I told mine to stay out the mercinary business. Don't complain when they come home dead or in pieces defending your beloved US Corp, inc.
If, after over three years here you have the audacity and stupidity to write "your beloved US Corp, inc." to me, then YOU ARE ONE DUMB SACK OF SHIT.
The propaganda spouting and potentially brainwashed OP wanted specific allegations of "oppression" (incidents, dates, locations).
And as usual (unfortunately), when confornted with exactly what was asked for... PEANUTS from the peanut gallery. Akak was right, this place is becoming an echo chamber of retards.
The clowns around here should be ashamed of themselves for their pathetic attempt at the sanctification of tyranny in their pursuit of personal objectives. The middle east is a tough neighborhood, and ruled by a bunch of unscrupulous snakes. Or to recycle what I posted back in 2011-
#1333581
Incidentally, for all those confused why as to why the US hasn't broken down into a series of made-for-MENA-TV moments- answer this: When did the urbane-sophisticated-effeminate-metro-sexual arab culture of Syria descend into a bloody civil war, after decades of meek "yes massa" responses to Bashar and his far more imposing father's encroachments on civil liberties? When did the tirelessly-lazy-qat-chewing-AK47-toting adults in Yemen join the students in the street? When the State started drawing the blood of kin.
Yes. Send your sons, daughters and all you relatives to go fight, die or be maimed for Bibi, Adelson, Soros, Haim Saban, Zuckerberg, Spielberg, Mordeci Mudochi, Nudelman, Rita Katz, John Kerry-Kohn and the rest.
Freddie, ditch the paper bag and bring back the dumb Injun kid... that really is more your speed. While you're at it, cut out the misdirection, it was dumb enough when the other poster tried it. The same misdirection twice in the same comment string is really pathetic.
I hope you don't live long enough to see this or this happen to your kid. But if if you do, just remember, that as long as the consequentialist perpetrators are pursuing a better future for the rest of us (regardless of whether they are bringing down or propping up the evil empire that day), that the ends justify the means, so don't complain to those of us who warned you of your own ignorance and the consequences of your nihilism.
journalists? ha-ha)
amnesty? (Hint) Billary is on the board...
"Moderate Syrian opposition" that opposition that fights for "democracy"(ha-ha) in Syria))) & some times eating human harts!
#1 you were learning history by the wrong books, and yeah Wikipedia is "great source of information")))
last "exceptional nation" that also loved to build "coalitions of the willing" etc
didn't end well
Sorry I don't need to read books, I have the luxury of picking up the phone or getting a response to my emails. As to Syria, one of the gatekeepers to TPTB in KSA asked to look into to bringing a specific US multinational into the Syria in 2010, so I am intimately familiar with US capacities (and the lack thereof at the time) as well as the history and the then outlook for the loosening of US sanctions.
In your three years here, have you ever bothered to read and actually try to comprehend what I write, the Qatar siphoning of Iranian gas, the Emir's GTL export model and his fathers distaste for pipelines, collaboration of Senator Pressler on the Pakistani WMD timeline, the "coalition of the bribed" and the fallacy of Wolfowitz's testimony, the evils of the modern banking and currency system, and on and on.. they don't write that shit in books (not for another few decades anyway) and not even the fantasy fiction of most lunatic fringe of the internet goes there.
Citing Wikipedia is for your obviously uninformed benefit on relatively straightforward and non controversial material. And while you can play the character assassination against Amnesty, unless you can refute the actual testimony that report, then shut the fuck up. And while you are at it you might as well suck Obama dick and discount Amnesty's criticism of USSA police state with the same flippant absurdity.
Your mental health issues are many.
I didn't realize success was a mental health issue. Although why I still bother to shoot fish in a barrel might be indicative of other issues. You should step back and look at the broader picture, both with respect to stripping out the deliberately incendiary language and the ramifications of the fact that except for the thousand (or so) of us who may log into Fight Club on any given day, the votes are invisible, and they are deleted when an article is moved to the archive server.
What Fractal Parasite posted was ignorant, far moreso than the feigned ignorance of my stylistically ugly response to his challenge, which no one has dared to actually challenge, only misdirect attention away from its substance. I could have made it easier from a rhetorical standpoint by citing the de Silva report instead of the Amnesty report, but that would have invited a debate over methodology, sourcing and conflicts of interest, which is only an incremental step up from a debate about style, and a far cry from a debate on the substance and underlying ethics or even policy and practical ramifications.
ya, about as organic as the Ukraine uprising
/s (just so we're clear)
Syria was nothing like Ukraine. Thanks to longstanding US sanctions against Syria and the lack of even a US Ambassador (much less Vicki Nuland and her cookies of mass disruption), there was no corporate or NGO infrastructure to provide US boots on the ground for incitement. The neighboring locals had their boots on the ground, just like the Syrians had boots on the ground in their neighbors' yards. And when the lights go down in the smoke filled back rooms the couplings make the couplings at an elementary school dance seem not-so-awkward. Unless you want to argue that Mohamed Bouazizi was some sort of CIA asset, there was no US orchestration beyond the knowledge (an compliciity) at Langely and Foggy bottom that US money printing by the FED was driving commodity price (read FOOD) inflation and thus destabilizing large swaths of the developing world which created particularly acute problems in countires with cerain socio-sconomic and demographic profiles... but that seems a bit esoteric for this crowd (even if the UN and WBG caught on long ago, albeit years after Langley).
I was asking my father the same thing yesterday, he said something about Assad putting some kids in Jail a while back but couldn't go into details. I blew my cousins mind when I asked him if he could give an example of why Assad was bad, he couldn't but still insisted that he was cus the TV said he was a bad guy. The TV doesn't give any examples just has a bunch of talking heads saying "he's horrible I don't like him" non stop. I am not saying he is good but I don't ever remember him burning churches and beheading Christians. In fact if I remember correctly Syria was pretty Christian friendly like Lebanon.
Assad was the guy who tore a tag off of a mattress.
Syria was one of the first places where Christianity appeared. Syria was 17% Christian until we backed ISIS, ISIL, NUSRA, Daesh and the rest to murder innocent Syrian Christians.
The Syrian Army and Shia Hezbollah have been fighting to protect all Syrians including Christians.
Sadly, load of Christians in America are brainwased by idiots like Rev. John Hagee who is a Jonathan Pollard Christian. He should send his kids and all of his parishioners to go die for Soros, Haim Saban, Zuckerberg, Spielberg, Nudelman and the rest.
Meanwhile these same people are getting Ukrainian Christians in the west to mass murder Orthodox Christians in the east.
So much is scripted. It is fascinating to watch U.S. officials respond when they have to go off-script. Days of lag time....missed news cycles. Dumb comments. They just have so little practice thinking on their feet. Putin has thrown a wrench in it. He has certainly found the seams....
So talking like human beings = folding and weakness?
Fuck it. Let the Russians have Syria. Why should more American boys be sent to die over there?
In the real world, things are taken.
<< talking like human beings = folding and weakness
<< talking like human beings is the wise thing to do . At least this corroborates that BHO does not want war some others are pushing for.
Good. While this isn't nearly as good as Obama saying that the Syrian conflict is none of our business, that's obviously too much to ask out of a usgov official. But if it prevents another insanely idiotic war, then it's a good thing. Putin gets away with poking Obama in the eye yet again. I bet a lot of the constant war drummers will have their hair on fire tonight.
Yeah it's hardly as simple as competing for gas transit lines. Syria is a secular inclusive country made up largely by secular sunni muslims. The virulent Wahhabi style mongoloid islam is what is being spread by the West and their Gulf State boyfriends.
They smashed Libys, installed the brotherhood in Egypt, and Syria is on the block for similar reasons. Not merely for gas transit.
However I understand that is a prevailing notion here as are things like "fleeting Russian support" for "embattled Assad Regime" with their "exhausted army" has been replaced with "renewed Russian support amidst embattled assad and his weary army losing ground by the day." Then tired old pipeline maps are added for the 19th time.
Certain people don't want peaceful strong nation states like Syria. Some of them are Syrian neighbors with blue and white flags who have never been attacked by violent islamist sunni hordes.
Why does ZH want war so badly?
It may be the only way to stop your local mother fuckers.
More page views?
I'm not sure ZH wants war, but I know plenty of politicos who think America still yeilds tremendous power as though our economic position in the world hasn't change in the last 30 years. What should scare you is the amount of politicos who want to turn the USA into a nuclear weapons test site for russian made bombs.
Because 9.7 out of 10.0 psychopaths still believe that 'Murica is eckseppshunal.
Because 9.7 out of 10.0 psychopaths still believe that 'Murica is eckseppshunal.
This kind of horseshit really makes my blood boil. America isn't exceptional? Fuck you, palinski. You find me any other nation on earth that come even remotely close to achieving what we have in such a short time.
Mightiest military on earth--gutted, overstretched, and demoralized
Mightiest manufacturing behemoth evah--gone
Two ocean buffer zone--overcome from within
Destination for the world's dreamers and oppressed seeking opportunity--successfully routed by the Free-Shit Army and the Gimmedats.
I could go on, but you get the point.
Not exceptional? Well, fuck dat.
#1, #1, #1 Proud American
Thank you Sir. Thank you so very much
The problem is that people like you tend to believe that any of those things gives us some kind of Devine right to remake the world how our govt wants it to be. We destroy entire countries in illegal wars and then act surprised when they don't embrace our version of 'democracy'. It's all a sham. Nothing gives us the right to do the things we have done, and unfortunately it is people like you who have doomed us as a country. Thanks. I'm sure Sean hannity will have a great show tonight, tell him I said hello
Nothing gives us the right to do the things we have done, and unfortunately it is people like you who have doomed us as a country. Thanks. I'm sure Sean hannity will have a great show tonight, tell him I said hello
Uh, just a friendly hint, but next time, try actually reading the post you are responding to. And if you say you did read it, that's even worse.
Since you put it that way, I stand corrected, we ARE eckseppshunal!!!
Exceptional indeed, at least as far as the silent majority and true Israelites, the tribes with a double portion of The Birthright are concerned. Now, the Canninite tribe and the reptilians who rule, not so much. But what would you expect of the Chosen, a cake walk?
We're getting tired of sitting here in our bomb shelters waiting.
These MRE's are getting old.
Nobody but your Satanic Overlords wants this war. They wanted their pipeline, and they wanted refugees to flood Europe and destroy the civilization there.
When they staged that gas attack a couple years ago and tried to blame Assad for it, people started flipping out, saying NOT another war. So what did they do then? They created ISIS, publically executed some westerners, voila we're now in it, even though we shouldn't be. And how suddenly are we fighting Assad, isn't the enemey ISIS? It's straight out of Orwell's 1984, "We've always been at war with East Asia."
I HATE these evil bastards running things, they don't care about anything but themselves, and will set the whole world on fire to gain even more power.
The need to be arrested, their control system dismantled, and mankind needs to be set free from this EVIL.
One of the tylers fell for an invite to a franklin cover up style drugs / kids / queers / animals / anything goes parties which has full 1080p security cameras perhaps?
Otherwise it doesn't make much sense, and is, when weighed in historical zerohedge context - embarrassing.
Little choice for Obozo, here. The policy of "boots on the gound" (or "fait accompli" as they say in diplomacy) was a master stroke for Putin. He will be now in a position to dictate his terms to horseface. However, horseface seems to be already behind, after Bibi. The West is lining up at Putin's door... priceless !
And I am enjoying every minute of it! I would love to be a fly on the wall during these talks and watch Bibi on his knees asking Putin to go gentle. Lmao
Actually this is a good thing, even if it looks weak. I'd rather avoid WW3.
This is true, but if he can ride meteors and karate fight snow leopords, he can party in Syria for a while.
As a casual observer, it seems that he listens ten times more than he speaks, says very little, and backs up what he says. Unlike some leaders.
Not blinking helps a lot to, I mean, actually not blinking his frozen eyes. EVER.
Even sharks with frikkin lasers strapped to their heads wish they had
...THE PUTIN STARE.
Yes. And every Russian can see the clear national interest in this move. Saudi Arabia was beginning to send jihadis to Ukraine to fight there. A jihadi "state" in Syria would pump fighters up through the Caucasus into central Russia. He really is fighting them there so he doesn't have to fight them at home. Whoever OK'ed the "mujahadeen strategy" for Syria just didn't take Russian survival interest into account. When it is existential you don't fold, you fight. Bibi miscalculated, twice. He brought his fight to Putin's neighborhood....now Vlad doesn't have to explain to his own people why this move is necessary.
Depends.
If protecting your strategic allies and your nation's business interests is "expanding", then OK. But in that dodgy definition of expanding, the US has been expanding like a muthah, and I guarantee you we don't have any capital. So, what are you trying to communicate?
Would love to meet the guy that actually disagrees with me on that statement.
-Argenta
go to huffpo, salon and dailykos, they "go all the way to the base" on Obama and Kerry, for whatever reason...
Yea, they are not too good at critical thinking and love being told what to do and think, which is why they will bow down to teh anit-christ
You compared Carter to Obama.
And..........?
Do you think we can't read? Are you trying to infer something? What? Jeez!
Had to down arrow you for not having to endure LBJ, Nixon and Ford. No, it is not your fault, but just sayin'......
I always thought Ford was our best President ever. He came in on half a term and was actually smart enought to realize he was not elected. Went into the oval office put his feet on the desk and shut the door, collected his check and pension and did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. So he did'nt fuck anything up.
Warren G. Harding was a lot like that as well, but he died in office a year or so after being elected. I think he died during a brief two year depression following the end of WWI, the one depression, I think, that the Fed didn't actually do anything to manipulate the ecomony or markets. It has been alleged that the depression was brief because they didn't do anything about it, letting the real economy sort itself out. I always wondered if there was a connection between his death and the short-lived depression, because there is nothing worse than a short-lived depression, in the Fed's eyes (Oh i know they don't actually come out and say that, do they?).
cd,
he did the unpardonable by pardoning Nixon, the President who set in motion much of the unconstitutional quasi-police state which we have to day. Richard Milhouse Nixon would have given his left arm for today's illegal executive powers.
I never said he was not a crooked bastard. He was Nixon's VP. Gangster 101: Never, ever bite the Mob boss's Hand that feeds you and brought you to the dance. What were you expecting something?
I thought he was very smart, though
Yeah, that magic bullet theory was a real zinger. Ford was on the Warren Commission as well.
Fair enough. We'll blame my parents and leave it at that.
The US is busy deploying enough tanks and heavy artillery to Eastern Europe to arm an entire division, in order to "deter Russian aggression"
Meanwhile we are going to coordinate with the Russian military in Syria to bomb ISIS
which is covertly supported by US/NATO aid delivered across the Turkish border . . .
The inmates are running the asylum
Interesting setup, that would imply that Putin will eventually help remove Assad, because the US will accept no other outcome. Or perhaps Putin caught the US off guard drawing much the West's resources into Easter Europe before popping up in Syria? Who the fuck knows.
Assad is not going anywhere. US could suck a rock...
Yeah, sounds like a lot of wishful thinking on the part of the US. What did Assad ever do anyway? I almost threw my shoe at the TV when all the GOP candidates accepted the US/MSM meme that Assad 'crossed the red line' by gassing his own people. Sorry - Did not happen that way!
I'd say that hundreds of thousands of refugees have caught the US/EU off guard, and Putin is captializing on that. Those that call themselves the US Government will accept whatever outcome that allows them to save face.
Suddenly it's not Assad's regime that matters nearly as much as their own.
Of course, there may still be some false-flag wild-cards in the deck to further disrupt any and every current expectation now on the table.
So to summarize... chaos!
Argenta,
Obama is the worst president of my lifetime, and I was alive during the Truman administration. The Obama administration has been an unmitigated disaster, amazingly even more so than the unmitigated disaster of the Bush II regime which was outrageous enough to conclude that we no longer actually have "presidents" of America, but rather puppets serving silent masters. Looking backward, I'd pine for a new "Carter-like" presidency!
GWM and Obomber , both total moron.
Clinton was smart in and evil way
Damm... even 'Tricky Dick' was better than these effete, subservient fools we have now!
Lol at all you ZH readers who still think that it matters which perception management pied piper figure head is installed in the white house by international globalist banking families. Obomber is doing a great job playing golf and minding his own business with the occassional scripted sound bite thrown in while his owners get on with continueing to roll out their long term plans for "their" flock
jd,
no argument there. During my lifetime the only President who mattered was JFK (though Ike gets a nod for his parting speech on the danger of rising influence the 'military industrial complex'). But doesn't your own handle say it all? We, dumbed-down, fat and happy, consumerist proletariat that we are, have been handed the "Just Dues" of enslavement and dispossesion of liberty, because we are too self-involved to care about the unique and extraordinarily fragile freedom our forefathers bequeathed us.
Racism surely?
It's not as if USA has any choice at this point. Appeasing is the only, and the correct way they could control the coming self caused damage for the american people.
It's not "appeasing." We started it.
"We started it(?)" Nah, NATO Deep State did, but the USA gets the privilege of sporting the blame. Blame the money masters first. Although, "we" need to water the tree of liberty and take our Government back.
I think this speaks to the further stripping away and illuminating the nature of who holds the moral ground. Not that this has mattered for quite some time.
Russian agression?
We've Russianed some folks.
Much fun as it is to determine Americas strength or weakness by looking at one set of statements on one day, I've watched the Americans seemingly back down in Ukraine only to come back stronger each time.
Don't assume that "Talks with Russia" means that any sort of peacemaking is in the offing.
Some sort of meaningful reply instead of just chickenshit downvotes would seem to be in order.
The last time Kerry went to Russia bearning potatoes, he announced the Ukraine govt should think carefully before attacking the separtists in the east any further and should instead respect the Minsk 2 agreement.
Immediately after, he had a mysterious bicycle accident and everyone in the administration tore him a new asshole in the press for his dovish attitude. It was about the fourth time the US had taken actions indicating it wanted to work towards peace with Russia only to turn around and escalate further soon after.
It will be the same this time.
I hope Putin bitch slaps that horseface fuck.
That would be too gentle on that thick skin.
"...An odd transcript of their meeting had Putin apparently trying to make a garbled joke in English. The best translation appears to be Putin stating to SecSt Kerry, "Ben' ova' Bitt". Kerry said he thought he had dropped a pencil and that's why he bent over, turning his back to Putin, apparently trying to locate a pencil. It was not thought that Kerry had a pencil which made the entire episode curious..."
Putin keeps his pimp hand strong.
He wouldn't touch Horseboy though. Putin has been careful not to play a bully role.
Putin appears to have the high moral ground because he is being very careful to hold and defend that moral high ground. When he decides to step off, it could get ugly in a hurry.
Kerry further asked ...off the record...if there were any mens rooms with toilets where he could sit and pee
He's got to exercise is "wide stance".
God bless Idaho!
the us has too much debts to start another major war.
That is why they need a big one. Nottin' to see here, move along now.
BS. Just fire up the printers. We got some boots to get on the ground somewhere for some peacekeeping!
We just need to terror attack/controlled demolition the buildings containing the people and records claiming we owe debts.
Easy Peasy.
For Obama and US state-craft, ISIS was the fantasy.
Now Russia is the reality.
Reap what you sow, fuckers
Bingo. I can't wait until Russia actually starts recovering the U.S. equipment from ISIS. I wonder if the obamanation will at least say "thanks"....
Uh.....I think that equipment would be spoils of war. I see many Humvees in Crimea down the road.
Israel runs US foreign policy.
I have a hard time believing that, the way Obama snuggles up to all these Islamic despots...
As a friend siad today, "if he can bend over for for Reggie why wouldn't he be able to fold for Putin."
Obama, did in any case, say that he would have greater flexibility after the elections.
Arent you guys being a little hard on our mulatto lawn jockey?
"Wilbur, get in here..."
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"Obama Folds Again"
That's meaningless. If Obama has done any "folding" it has been to the Turks in green-lighting their new war against the Kurds.
Assad has protected Syrian Christians. He is as good a Middle East leader as there has ever been. He is a White man and his family are also White. A Syrian Christian woman told me a few years ago that he was a good and decent man and life was good there. Of course with the United Soviet States of America arming and training ISIS and doing their Bosses dirty work, the J-Tribe, it is, of course, quite different today.
Jewish groups celebrate Supreme Courts legalization of gay marriage nationwide, Jerusalem Post
Satanists are behind this Skip, not Jewish People. Get it right next time.
All who are not Christians are Satanists.
Don't you get it?
Pride is one of the worst qualities a leader can have. Assuming the United States is honest about its goal to destroy ISIS (a big assumption), it needs to support Assad and Russia in Syria. Fuck the Saudis.
Selfish pride, yes. National pride, no.
The USA is getting snookered again, is it any wonder though, when Kerry and the Obamatron think they're playing tiddly-winks?
"Pride comes bofore the fall".
It never fails to happen.
Since US army is unable to supress Russian military electronic jammers, they have no other option. They are one fcuking sitting duck ( USS Donald Cook press)
Zionist Khazarian Mafia being held in check perhaps?
Generally if a nation doesn't have a Rothschild Tribe Central Bank and has zero debt to the IMF it is inevitable the US will attempt to invade and insert Khazarian interests. Putin wins again after not taking the bait for like the 100th time it was laid out in front of him.
lol, you fell for it.
http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/At-Putins-side-an-army...
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/11/vladi...
According to you.
Are you really taking the bait you referenced in the links?
Yeah I hear ya, it's so shocking, I mean shocking, that a politician (such as Putin) would maintain some type of connection with uber-wealthy figures even if his ultimate objectives did not align with theirs. Shocking!
And the Eagle folds to the bear!
So if you can't be with the one you bomb, then bomb the one you're with
"achieving the original goal (i.e. routing ISIS once ISIS routs Assad)"
I suppose they thought Isil was going to politely accept to be "routed" after it had done the USA's dirty work.
More likely, what they mean is they would have stopped funding Isil. That's what they call "routing".
One does not need to desire to be exterminated in order to actually be exterminated. Besides, eliminating funding is all that's needed most of the time, as it's the only reason they ever held onto power for any period. Take away this massive influence and an "army" is quickly reduced back down to the street level gangs that are suddenly surrounded by the masses who rightly detest them.
Also, this is really no different than what happened to US backed insurgents in both Lybia and Egypt.
Ummm won`t say it nevermind
Putin laughing uncontrllably as he bends obie and kerry over
Putin is a professional, he would not laugh, or smile. He may have a small uncontrollable grimmace, but I doubt it. Beating these clowsn and giving them the assfucking they earned is not great accomplisment.
Russia's foreign policy decisions these last couple years merely highlight the comparative skills of Putin over Obama. Putin makes bold moves, of course, but the payoff is always higher for them.
What is going to be the US narrative when we've been "attempting to disrupt and destroy ISIS" for 2 years and the Russians come in and rout them within a matter of months?
As ex-Air Force I have been continually perplexed at how amazingly ineffective our airstrikes of ISIS have been, and that's just considering our capabilities 10 years ago when I was in the military. The truth is, we didn't give a shit about bombing ISIS, certainly not bombing it effectively. Russia steps in to clean up our "mess" but then takes all the marbles. Seems like the last 2 years were just giving Obama enough rope to hang himself and he happily obliged.
I think the ultimate trigger was the nuclear "deal" in Iran. Since Iran is one of Syria's biggest supporters, to me, it would stand to reason the US brokered "deal" came with a side deal to end Iran's financial/military support of the Assad regime. In exchange we look the other way while Iran has extremely lax nuclear inspections. Russia couldn't have timed this more perfectly to make us look like fucking amateurs.
As former ARMY AMEDD, I agree, but don't see this as any accident. Dropping bombs makes the bomb-makers very wealth. Always, always always "follow the money" to find the truth. Simply put, how much longer will American blood and treasure be spent for the enrichment of Zion and th Zionists?
It will be very interesting when Russia starts recovering all that American military hardware that was given to (remember we supported the "Syrian rebels") and stolen by ISIS in Iraq. I wonder of the obamanation will at least say "thanks"...
I was suspicious to say the least from the very beginning. What finally sealed the deal for me was when ISIS seized tanks and were using them to shell Kobane. Tanks are huge, easily identifiable targets for the AF. As a matter of fact, they show a double-doppler return (thanks to those metal tracks) on JSTARS sensors so they show up as tanks and nothing else. The fact that they have been able to use heavy equipment (they're also selling oil) in the open means we don't give a shit about actually bombing them to win.
Just on the intel side alone an ISIS order of battle would be established within a month. Their military hardware would be detectable and interdicted the moment they tried to use it. Drive that tank out of a hangar and it's detected within minutes. And, once again, this is just using tactics and equipment available to the AF when I was in from 98-04.
Great points. The Iraqi armor was decimated in no time by ISAF, especially when a "freak" dust storm kicked up near Bagdad, we had the only radar sats and drones that could see through the dust and Saddam lost about 80%. Easy enough.
no wonder russia and china support the iran deal.
It's amazing how well Russia played us. Iran gets sanctions lifted, says they'll "self-inspect" to prevent nuclear proliferation, in exchange they quietly stop sending Assad guns/money. Then Russia steps in, says they'll send Assad guns/money/personel/advanced weapons.
The US can't reneg on the Iran deal because the meat of our gain was private. Iran gets everything, US gets nothing.
Obozo and Co... Amature fucking hour for sure. Sad to see all these people's lives in the Middle East destroyed by USSA. Thanks to Putin for calling out Obozo evil ways. Hopefully next up are war crimes trials.
"What is going to be the US narrative when we've been "attempting to disrupt and destroy ISIS" for 2 years and the Russians come in and rout them within a matter of months?"
I sure as hell hope they do. If they can git 'er done' before our 2016 elections, it will disrupt all their rhetoric, and expose our current military policies as the useless clown-show that it is.
Their 'spin doctors' will have to work 20-hour days trying to come up with an explanation. Meaning they won't have time to 'spin' anything else, like our tanking economy.
Mr. Hopey-Changey is gonna have a hard time keeping all those balls in the air. He'll be desperate to preserve his "legacy" at a time when all the shit from his policies over the past 2 terms hits the fan blades.
I've despised Obama since his failure to rein in the banks. It would be beyond priceless to see it all turn to shit in the final hours of his Presidency. Then he can spend the rest of his life trying to explain himself, instead of basking in the artificial glow of a phony economic "recovery".
There's your fucking legacy, you smooth-talking sellout bitch. Where is that gonna go in your Presidential library?
Sounds like the "ISIS Project" is at risk of being shut down. I would not want to be one of those special operators when the logistics stop flowing. The fastest way to erase a failed black op is to let it wither on the vine and be destroyed by its enemies.
Yes, the US retirement plan for employees no longer useful is kind of a bitch. Ask Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, Manuel Noriega, the Montagnard and Hmong of Laos, the South Vietnamese, and the list goes on.
Move them to Minnesota?
They will never shut ISIS down.
They will just rename it.
Never bluff. If you pose an ultimatum, you always have to prepare for "Or Else."
All that happiness, and the article didn't even mention what this fiasco has done to the EU. What a complete fiasco, and it's just act 2.
All part of the plan
“The president believes that a military-to-military conversation is an important next step,” Mr. Kerry said, “and I think, hopefully, it will take place very shortly.”
~ It is way too late but neither Lurch, Barry Obozo or anyone from his administration should be doing any negotiations or "deal" making.
They are clueless and way, way out of their weight division.
The sad thing is only about 2% of the citizens here in the USSA have any idea what is going on and what is heading our way.
Obama, Kerry, Putin, Assad:
BEER SUMMIT!
The average russian has a liver like a hollow leg. Obama would be giving back Alaska after the 20th shot of vodka.