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Russia Says It May Send Troops Into Combat In Syria As A Worried Netanyahu Heads To Moscow
On Thursday evening, we detailed a Reuters report which suggested that the influx of Russian technical and logistical support to Bashar al-Assad’s depleted army at Latakia might have breathed new life into the regime as it seeks to rout Islamic State and a whole host of other armed groups fighting for control of Syria. “Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem said on Thursday Russia had provided new weapons and trained Syrian troops how to use them,” Reuters said, before describing what certainly sounds like an invigorated air campaign against the de facto ISIS capital at Raqqa.
Importantly, al-Moualem also indicated that Syria would be willing to make an official request for Russian combat troops “if needed.”
Now clearly, it seems likely that Russian troops have already joined the battle and indeed, when the bullets start flying, the distinction between “logistical” support and “combat” support quickly becomes blurred, but through all the sabre rattling and back-and-forth banter between Kerry and Lavrov, both sides are still keen to at least pay lip service to the unwritten rules of international diplomacy which is why before Russia can admit that its troops are actually on the ground to fight, they’ll be a charade where Syria will pretend to be raising the issue with the Kremlin for the first time at which point the Kremlin will take a few days to “consider” things. As of Friday, it appears as though that process has begun. Here’s Bloomberg:
Russia said it’s willing to consider sending troops into combat operations in Syria if President Bashar al-Assad’s government requests assistance.
While the possibility is hypothetical now, “if there is a request, it will be discussed as part of bilateral contacts,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on a conference call on Friday. “Of course it will be discussed and considered.”
The prospect of direct Russian involvement in the country’s civil war, in which more than 250,000 people have died since 2011, would mark a sharp escalation in President Vladimir Putin’s support for the embattled Assad government. The U.S. has accused Russia of increasing military aid to Syria in recent weeks by sending tanks, artillery and personnel, as well as setting up what the Pentagon says might be a forward airbase near the coastal city of Latakia. Syria also hosts Russia’s only naval facility outside the former Soviet Union at Tartus.
The possibility of troop involvement emerged before a visit to Moscow by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday for talks with Putin about Russia’s growing military involvement in Syria. Netanyahu “will present the threats posed to Israel as a result of the increased flow of advanced war material to the Syrian arena and the transfer of deadly weapons to Hezbollah and other terror organizations,” the Israeli government said in an e-mailed statement on Wednesday.
To be sure, Netanyahu’s Russian visit comes at an interesting time. In the US, the last challenge to the Iran nuclear deal was defeated in the Senate on Thursday, paving the way for the agreement’s implementation. Needless to say, Netanyahu isn’t particularly pleased with The White House’s stance on Iran’s nuclear ambitions and US-Israeli relations have deteriorated markedly this year thanks in large part to the Iran deal. But the Israeli PM is also concerned that Russia’s move to reinforce Assad could have implications for Hezbollah, something Netanyahu and Putin will discuss on Monday. Here’s Reuters:
Western officials and a Russian source said last week that Russia was sending an advanced anti-aircraft missile system to Syria in support of Assad.
The Western officials said the SA-22 system would be operated by Russian troops. A U.S. official, who confirmed the information, said the system may be part of a Russian effort to bolster defences at an airfield near Latakia, an Assad stronghold.
Even if Russians operated the missiles and kept them out of the hands of the Syrian army, the arrival of such an advanced anti-aircraft system could unsettle Israel, which in the past has bombed sophisticated arms it suspected were being handed to Assad's Lebanese guerrilla allies, Hezbollah.
(Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah)
Worried about accidentally coming to blows with Russian reinforcements in Syria, Israeli officials said last week they were in contact with Moscow. But Israel also made clear it would continue its policy of stopping advanced arms reaching Hezbollah.
And let’s not forget that just one month ago, Israel hit targets inside Syria after Damascus-based Islamic Jihad lobbed rockets at a village in Northern Israel. Netanyahu claimed the militants were acting on order from an "Iranian general."
“This is another clear and blatant demonstration of Iran’s continued and unabating support and involvement in terrorist attacks against Israel and in the region in general. This attack has also occurred before the ink on the . . . nuclear agreement has even dried, and provided a clear indication of how Iran intends to continue to pursue its destabilising actions and policies as the international sanctions regime is withdrawn in the near future,” Israel's foreign ministry said at the time.
That came just four weeks after Quds commander Qassem Soleimani reportedly met with Vladimir Putin in Moscow where, according to GOP mouthpiece Fox News, the Russian and Iranian leaders discussed "a new joint military plan to strengthen Syrian President Bashar Assad, a plan that is now playing out with the insertion of Russian forces in Syria."
In what looks like a rather conveniently timed announcement ahead of Netanyahu's trip to Russia, the Treasury said on Thursday that any Iranian bank receiving sanctions relief as part of the Iran nuclear deal would have sanctions re-imposed in the event they support Hezbollah or the Quds.

(Soleimani who, according to a CIA officer who spoke to The New Yorker in 2013, is "the most powerful operative in the Middle East today")
So this is the backdrop for Netanyahu's visit to the Kremlin and, as mentioned above, it's complicated by the fact that the Prime Minister is now at odds with the US over Washington's handling of the Iran Nuclear Deal. At the end of the day, one is certainly left to believe that Israel's "worries about accidentally coming to blows with Russian reinforcements in Syria" will quickly evaporate should Netanyahu get confirmation that the Quds are indeed on the ground as some reports have recently suggested and if it becomes clear that weapons are being funneled to Hezbollah, well, then all bets will officially be off.
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BullBearish!
If anyone can face down Netanyahoo, it is the Putinator!
80% of Syrians blame US for ISIS;
http://www.globalresearch.ca/poll-over-80-percent-of-syrians-believe-us-...
Russia will liquidate those Western assets, I mean terrorists, in Syria.
Russia will help Syria fight the ISIS terrorists and if a few USSA sponsored ragheads get blown up, the CIA can always create more.
I only hope that Putin tells Netty to lick his balls...
Putin will tell Netanyahu that any airplane over Syria without Syrian government permission will be shot down, and the pilot(s) killed or prosecuted to the maximum extent under Syrian law.
as far as Israeli planes being shot down invading airspace its already happed twice in last 3 weeks.
Nutjob wants a free reign for his fighter/bombers...........HAHHAAHHHhaaa
But never fear, Nutcase will bring his bomb picture and this 3rd grade drivel, but Putin, unlike the nutlicking US will just laugh his ass off at it, pat him politely on the back and tell him to go to his room until I tell you to get out. Oh and by the way NUTS, nice gas field you got there, Ill be in touch. And send my regards to the Mulatto, Ill have more flexibility after the festivities.
Clever. Russia says, "We agree with The US" that ISIL is a problem and we want to help Syria, in coalition with Allies, to form a united front against ISIL. Back to you US.....Lavrov is a class act.
Just an observation from an engineer, now if any NATO forces take out an antiaircraft site then there are likely to be Russian casualties. Suspect airspace is going to get more respect than it has been getting as a result.
Can anyone intelligently provide comment on how this now affects issues of international law?
Syrian law is the only law that matters on Syrian soil.
Natural law is the only law that matters anywhere. All other forms of law are simply manifestations of superior strength under natural law. I.E., the police have more physical strength collectively than you as an individual, therefore you are subject to the various forms of law they enforce.
Downvoters care to share your thoughts?
edit: Of course the possibility of thoughtlessness is likely I'm guessing.
Wouldn't it be sweet if NuttyYahoo walked into Putin's office, Putin pulls out a 9mm and doubletaps the fucker right square between the eyes?
"Now were even for JFK".
To get even for JFK, he'd have to murder Dmitry Medvedev in public, pin it on one of his agents previously sent to pose as an American defector, then have him murdered before there could be a trial. BTW, if you haven't seen JFK II you're missing out!
@ SS Rat, thanks for mentioning that video by name, I'd lost the link in a hard drive crash. Best damn video ever.
Victorio, most people confuse "Natural or Karmic Law" with the Natural Laws espoused by the Darwinians. Naturally (pun intended) I upvoted both of you.
For the confused then:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law
If there was ever a litmus test for who I would want in my communtiy...
For might makes rightAnd 'til they've seen the light
They've got to be protected
All their rights respected
Till somebody we like can be elected
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHhZF66C1Dc
I didn't even have to hit the link to know that was Tom Lehrer.
I'm a fan of Werner Von Braun, myself.
Vonce rrrockets go up,
Who cares vere ze com down
Zats not my department
Says Werner Von Brown
Another classic - Paraphrase:
Iran is going to get one, too
Just to use on you know who.
So Israel’s getting tense,
Wants one in self defense
The Lord’s our shepherd says the Psalm
But just in case..
how did Victorio die again? I forgot. Remind us.
With honor, integrity, and a taste of what its like to live free and by your own wits, much unlike yourself.
"Western officials and a Russian source said last week that Russia was sending an advanced anti-aircraft missile system to Syria in support of Assad.
The Western officials said the SA-22 system would be operated by Russian troops. A U.S. official, who confirmed the information, said the system may be part of a Russian effort to bolster defences at an airfield near Latakia, an Assad stronghold."
Question: why does Syria (or the Russians in Syria for that matter) need anti-aircraft systems, when neither IS nor Al-Nursa or Al-Qaida have any military aircraft?
The SA-22 (Pantsir-S1) is capable of engaging faster and smaller targets than just your everyday air-craft, helicopter, uav, etc. Theoretically, it is capable of engaging and destroying incoming missiles and rockets, in addition to air-craft.
The short and PRACTICAL answer to your question: Islamists are famous for their "home made" missiles that they launch from some desert depression or the back of a Toyota with a literal prayer that they'll actually hit something valuable or important. While not very sophisticated, they can make life in a fixed installation (like an air base) a living hell. Ask anyone who's ever been on an air base that was subject to the occasional rocket or mortar bombardment and they will tell you that the psychological effects were far more degrading than any actual damage inflicted by the bombardment…unless a munitions depot took a direct hit :-)
I'm sure you've seen video of the gattling guns on War Ships spitting out a couple hundred rounds a minute at incoming missiles in their terminal guidance phase. That's pretty much what this system is meant to do…hence it is known as a "Point Defense" weapon and is meant to protect and reassure the guys on base.
Long Answer:
Syrians have plenty of AA and AAA systems to deal with conventional air-craft: From short range shoulder fired IR homing missiles all the way up to the long range missiles that look like a flying telephone pole. I could be wrong, but I don't believe any of those other systems were designed from the outset to handle the engagement of inbound missiles - conventional, cruise, ballistic, or otherwise - they were originally designed to hit the air-craft (hopefully) before they had a chance of firing/dropping their ordinance.
If you recall during Desert Shield, the U.S. rushed some Patriot Air Defense batteries to Israel (among others) to defend against Iraqi Scud (a ballistic missile) attacks. The Patriot system was designed like pretty much every other SAM system of the time - to take out incoming air-craft, not incoming ordnance. Sure, Raytheon did what any good company would do, who desired to sell more units/increase profits, and convinced the Pentagon that with a few Software upgrades and system tweaks, that they could also engage incoming ballistic missiles.
As you'll recall, the Patriots were not all that successful in knocking down incoming Scuds. They had a few successes, which meant knocking down a missile after it had been fired, now seemed do-able. This realization sent other countries and arms manufacturers around the world off to design air-defense systems from the ground up, that could handle the incredibly difficult task of knocking down, not just jets, but also missiles of every variety. I'm almost certain that the SA-22 is one of the systems developed in response and after observing events of the Gulf War.
The POLITICAL answer to your question is also a LIFE LESSON: DO NOT FUCK WITH BEARS! Bad things happen when people make the mistake of not respecting bears - furry or Russian…sometimes both :-)
Russia or "Mama Bear", is inserting herself in-between her "cub" (Assad) and a half-baked hippie hiker (The West). If you think coming between a bear and its cub is a good idea, could you please give me all your stuff before you try it :-)
Now that Russia has it's soldiers and it's equipment in Syria, no one in their right mind is going to try and directly mess with the Assad Regime(cub), because it would mean messing with Russia (Mama Bear).
Let's be clear: Russians in Syria is a game changer. Israel, Turkey, or anyone else; can no longer cross that border to engage "terrorist targets" for fear of hitting Russian troops and equipment that claim to be doing the same thing.
SA-22s, T-90s, Mig-31s, etc. Who cares! The take-away is that Mama Bear has just stepped in-between a threat and her Cub, and said, "Your move, Bitch".
Wow, I can't believe you don't have more upvotes. That was excellent analysis.
All law boils down to "might makes right". Even when law protects the weak, it stems from and is enforced by might.
Here's my question, what part of the North Atlantic is Syria on? (North Atlantic Treaty Organization = NATO)
Unless NATO is just the word for the ZIO-Empire?
Netanyahu claimed the militants were acting on order from an "Iranian general."
and I suppose he has youtube video to prove it.
I wonder if Bibi will get more than 23 standing ovations in Russia?
Can monkeys be trained to whip their crap at someone on a command word, like Jihad?
I hope there's a grassy knoll somewhere along Bibi's route with an armed patriot lurking within.
Maybe Bibi will meet that snow plow?
Hope Putin sabotages Bibi's plane for the return flight. Air accidents are happening all over the place nowadays, right?
Double post
Putin knows what ISIS stands for = IsraeliSecretIntelligentService sorry Bibi go blow your Zionist master NOW..
It's REAL now and the Pentagon knows it. Fucking with Russians is a very BAD bet.
They aren't just mouth-breathing neanderthals with AK-47's.
I love my country, but my money is on the Russians.
I wouldn't bet on that, iiwy. Tesla lived in the US and all his work went to the DoD after his 'death'.
Really?
Russia put out a worldwide call to anyone who had worked with Tesla, one guy answered the call.
I heard his notebooks were seen in a museum in Yugoslavia in the 80s.
Remember that destroyer in the black sea a year ago that was shut down.
I think Russia has nailed Tesla technology.
Nailed it, Thick Willy! Natural law states that man is not to be ruled by man.
Pretend you're the only person on the planet and that you have no choice but to sustain yourself. Now multiply by 3 billion. That is the natural order of things.
Nature self-regulates. Humans vote.
Natural law is made up by humans.
Spot on Willy.
"Justice comes out of the barrel of a gun" - Mao
He was right too.
I believe he said "power flows from the barrel of a gun". Not necessarily justice per se.
I believe International Law requires that the U.N. Security Council has to O.K. any Nation/State agression on another Nation/State. It doesn't matter who's manning the weapons. They are still considered the property of a sovereign nation/state. Attacking another Nation/State's property INSIDE that Nation/States JURISDICTION is considered an Act of War.
Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc. all required a certain number of votes before the UN/NATO could bomb the snot out of them. If memory serves; Russia, China, or both vetoed military intervention against Syria - so the countries itching to bomb Syria's legitimate government had to seek other means of regime change. Anyone paying attention, already knows what those "other means" were and are.
To better clarify, Turkey sent an RF-4 into Syrian air space a few years back and the Syrians promptly shot it down. Yes, there was a lot of hand wringing at the time by Turkey and NATO allies, but there was nothing they could do. A military reconnaissance air-craft crossed an international border. The Syrian's had every right to shoot it down because it was in their airspace and Syria had not given Turkey permission to spy on it :-)
The Russians are in Syria at Syria's request. Now bombing Syrian targets get trickier. It would be an ACT OF WAR against Russia if any of it's personnel or equipment are attacked by US, NATO, Turkey, etc. because Russia owns the equipment/personnel and have PERMISSION to be there by the Syrian government.
This is why I love ZH
And when has the US or UK or Israel at all respected "international law"?
Israel holds the world record for violations of UN resolutions and Geneva Conventions.
In fact, it continues to violate the terms imposed on it for admission to the UN.
Doesn't matter.
They're Juice.
They're *special*
Its in a book!
The UN? Countries honor UN resolutions when they agree with their plans; if the resolution does not pass, the country will simply ignore the UN or propagandize some other method of circumventing the UN citing some such vague claims of "national security" and so on.
The UN serves one interesting purpose; it gives politicans to come to NYC to party like crazy away from their homelands. Hookers, booze, dope, and more hookers all on their countries' tab. It must be very Booooyaaah.
"And when has the US or UK or Israel at all respected "international law"?"
Doesn´t matter when they hit Russians.
Then natural law gets going.
When has the US, or Israel, all kidding aside, abided by "international law" which, arguably, doesn't even really exists except the Laws of the Sea are pretty solid and if you used to hand out towels in the German Army, you may be prosecuted, at 93 years old, for some absurd litany of crimes you didn't commit.
That's about it.
Other than that, it is might makes right.
"Might makes right," as you say, is the bottom line. The law is only used to control the weak, the masses, the underdogs.
@BuddyEffed
To the US, international law doesn't count; international force matters, however. The Russians are
probably inserting themselves as a buffer for Assad, knowing that the Western pow(d)ers
will back off, not wanting to start some shit with a true world power, ie Russia. But
international law, pffftt, what's that? Invade Iraq, pffftt, why not?
A good Weekend Tyler article in that Weekend Tyler kind of way. I did find the last sentence so astonishing that it rated a comment.
"...At the end of the day, one is certainly left to believe that Israel's "worries about accidentally coming to blows with Russian reinforcements in Syria" will quickly evaporate should Netanyahu get confirmation that the Quds are indeed on the ground as some reports have recently suggested and if it becomes clear that weapons are being funneled to Hezbollah, well, then all bets will officially be off..."
I had to re-read that a couple of times. Israel's worries about killing Russians would evaporate if something happened? Really? So the implication is that Israel could get SO excited about something that they could or would blow away Russian soldiers without hesitation... kind of like if they were Palestinians or something?
So what would this horror of horror be that would push Israel over the edge? Tyler: 1) Iranian Quds in Syria and 2) weapons being funneled to Hezbollah.
OK, we KNOW Quds are on the ground in Syria right now helping Syrian troops. In a very limited fashion and Iran isn't making noise about it, but for FUCKS SAKE, Iran is Syria's ally. Iran can put 100,000 Iranian troops in Syria if they want. Israel doesn't have a God damn thing to say about it. It's ISRAEL that has no right to send aircraft, missiles, chemical weapons, al Nusra mercenaries or anyone or anything else into Syria. Israel is openly supporting terrorist groups and providing them aid and air cover. It was Israel that paid al Nusra to take out the SAM and radar sites in the hills near the Golan border.
And Israel is going to be pissed if Iranian troops show up in Syria to fight terrorists? Arrogant pricks... I think they're afraid that Iranian troops will prevent Israel from their plan of stealing more Syrian and Lebanese land.
The second part I understand - Israel goes insane if they think Hezbollah is getting any weapons because those weapons will be used to prevent further Israeli aggression. Israeli aggression that involves violating Lebanese airspace to blow away Hezbollah followed by land theft. But Syria doesn't have 'spare' weapons to be handing out to Hezbollah - they need the SAMs themselves to protect SYRIA from Israeli aircraft. There's no way Assad is giving away weapons he's waited years to get. I'm sure he gives stuff to Hezbollah, but not a Pantsir S-1, for Christ's sake.
It's interesting how the rhetoric exploded recently about the Russian invasion after Russia (supposedly) delivered six MiG-31 Foxhound long-range interceptors to Mezze Air Base and also delivered another Pantsir S-1 system to Syria. Both are defensive weapons in practice - they have no offensive role. Foxhounds would provide beyond-visual-range defense against attacking Israeli aircraft or cruise missiles. The Pantsir S-1, aka SA-22 SAM, is a point defense weapon. You use it close to high-value targets to defend them from missiles and aircraft. Now if there are six shiney new MiG-31s at Mezze, Syria would presumable want to protect them. I linked Haaretz for the Pantsir to illustrate a point - Israel has bent over backwards to emphasize 'missile' and 'SA-22' in a pathetic attempt to associate this with (supposed) Hezbollah rocket attacks against Israeli positions. In fact, the Pantsir can do nothing of the sort and is a dedicated air defense weapon, nothing else. Israel is not afraid of a Hezbollah attack - Israel is afraid of not being able to violate Lebanese and Syrian airspace with impunity for whatever attacks they self-justify.
What really pisses off Israel about the Pantsirs is that they are crewed by Russians. That means even if an Israeli jet or missile COULD get close enough to take one out without being destroyed themselves (which I doubt), they would end up killing the Russians crewing the unit. On the same token, Israel can't send their al Nusra head-choppers to do the job because Russia knows exactly who gives them orders. Russian-crewed Pantsirs take all the options away from Israel. Meaning they can't attack a point air-defense weapon and take it out so they can THEN attack the SAM sites or interceptor aircraft it was protecting.
So despite Weekend Tyler's assertion in the last line, there will be no such thing as 'all bets are off' when it comes to Syrian SAMs, not matter what the justification. Israel would have no problem at all smoking a few U.S. soldiers and apologizing to Obama later (maybe), but I will never believe they are so stupid as to poke the bear. There's a reason Putin is widely popular in Russia, and it's not because he's a pussy that wears helmets and mom genes. Israel could expect swift and overwhelming retribution from Russia with no apologies from Putin if they were stupid enough to kill Russian soldiers.
This must frustrate Bibi to no end. He probably spends his entire day ranting about Putin while pacing his office and waving his hands in the air. He probably has to be sedated so he doesn't stroke out. I'll bet Putin will be packing during their meeting - no telling when that psycho Nettanyahu will go ballistic and 'tard out on Putin.
+100
ZH should get you to write their articles. They should fire "weekend Tyler."
If they fired Weekend Tyler (who is probably one of the owners of this site) then I wouldn't have anything to comment about.
Besides, how do you know that I'm not Weekend Tyler, Freddie? Come to think of it, how do I know that you're not Weekend Tyler?
We are legion...
*I* am weekend Tyler, er, Spartacus... :)
"And send my regards to the Mulatto, Ill have more flexibility after the festivities."-------- that's funny.
Hope the EU has different energy options this winter should this go Def Con 1.
Energywise this coming winter, in the EU, everything hinges on the timely success (or otherwise) of the new (December 2015) Kerch Strait electric cables.
Yes, they could re-resupply from Ukraine.
That's because the zionist arpartied forces only really look good in hollywood movies and fighting an unsophisticated foe....couldn't even beat hezbollah in an invasion without daddy doing the heavy lifting
And who really believes they actually "won" and defeated the combined arab states in the 60s? All the arab states who we now know had leaders installed by the CIA/Mi6....anyone ever heard of a "stand-down" order....?????
Can you forward this message to Malaysian Airlines?
Obama's going to need to move over then... maybe to the rear?
Latina, Russia announced that it has proof. via military intelligence, that the USA knows many of ISIS postions, and troop movements in Iraq and Syria, but refused to bomb them, as these ISIS forces are attacking in aid of US foreign policy. Long convoys of Toyat trucks carrying thousands of ISIS have been allowed free access to Iraq and Syrian roads in broad daylight, with no attacks made at all. The Iraq parliament members have also told the press of US airdrops of military supplies to ISIS right in the area of Iraqi army and ISIS combat operations! How much evidence do we need that the USA is only pushing ISIS to the areas it wants ISIS to fight. Beating ISIS is not at all on Washington's agends. How can I say that? Because real hard evidence on the ground PROVES the US does not attack ISIS when it could do so with ease.
Russia wants to step in and attack ISIS where the USA refuses to!
The biggest joke of the week? Australia has sent war planes to support the US war on ISIS in Syria. Australia is a buzz with stories of their hero pilots about to cheat death in the deadly battle on ISIS. My friends. This is the biggest fucking joke of the week! Who in their right mond buys that, except the FOX brainwashed 30%.
Jack Burton, ISiS is an obvious western creation, likely #3 after the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda. Can anyone explain how a supposed rag tag group of Muslims can somehow acquire billions of dollars in weapons, vehicles, and hire thousands without help? Heck I cannot send a wire from Guatemala to Texas for $1000 without getting bounce-backs and/or harassment by banksters.
Putin is to address the UN general assembly on or around the 25th of Sept. 2015. I predict this speech will be historic, because Putin will likely comment on the Ukraine and Syria situations. For the first time in decades, the USSA will be exposed to a global audience.
Lastly, the following brilliant comment by Paveway IV explains why the USSA is so pissed over Russia helping Assad:
I'm not sure you guys recognize what just happened here. They didn't risk aircraft to blow up a random few ISIS lairs.
The fake ISIS central bank (ZATO al Raqqah branch) and everything in it just got smoked.
The al Raqqah satcom links have been destroyed - that's how fake ISIS/CIA/ZATO SF guys get their marching orders and avoid being blown up by fellow ZATOers.
There will be no more U.S. resupply of cash, equipment or oil to al Raqqah, and the ammo/replacement headchopper pipeline is in peril.
Fake al Nusra still has their U.S. command bunker and logistics hub in Aleppo, but fake ISIS just lost the ability to pay their mercenaries or exchange any money, fake ISIS can no longer communicate with their ZATO masters via scrambled satlinks to Jordan and Turkey for instructions. Blind and broke, and Assad already took out their oil supply last week.
After he turns the water off (the Tabqua dam) upstream of al Raqqah, fake ISIS and the U.S. will go ballistic. A humanitarian crisis tit-for-tat. Fake ISIS in al Raqqah were the ones using mustard gas mortar shells a couple of months ago. They have a stash somewhere (that probably says 'Made in the USA'). I wouldn't put it past them to blow the dam before the Syrian Army can take it.
This forces Obama to act, and he has no idea what to do. His chickenhawk Israeli-firster generals want WAR, but Obama will never agree to that. If Obama wants to pull out, the DoD (and their Xe/Academi for-profit arm) will refuse.
Things just got to a very dangerous tipping point. Putin has missile cruisers and a Typhoon-class nuke sub off the coast of Syria, and 100,000 Russian soldiers on the southern border participating in Center-2015. I doubt Putin will ever do anything, but this further limits the clownfuckery the Pentagram can get away with.
Whenever the Pentagram has their backs to the wall, bad, bad things happen. They will go full retard barring some miracle - or the obliteration of earth on the 24th - whichever comes first.
Brilliant indeed! Latina! That's new information to me. I knew Russia would only act if it really counted! Unlike fake US air attacks on ISIS, Russia is ruthlessly efficient with it's attacks. I wonder if Assads forces used new Russian precision guided weapons to take out the ISIS bank and telecom links. Probably.
Anyways ,Thanks for that post latina, it's why I always read you!
I'm turning both of you in to the DHS for having more than half a brain and trying to communicate something beyond the Kardashians to the sheeple.
Better put Paveway IV on that list...
It WAS a good post until it turned to fuck tarded doomsday bullshit about the 24th. Blows all your credibility.
When will all you losers learn doomsday is a religious con thats been used for centuries. By the way -- jade helm is over. We were all supposed to be in concentration camps by now. Where are all the loser apologies for their gartman like predictions, over and over again. Borrrring.
Assad's forces are using shiny new toys courtesy of Russia.
http://syrianperspective.com/2015/09/latakia-terrorists-taste-new-russia...
Who buys this? Not me Jack. Typical Australian yes boss attitude, fighting US bankster wars at the drop of a hat. God I hate my government.
Afterthought - Hate their central bank masters as well
Russia will still only push this so far. Desert Storm I and II were proxy wars between Russia and the USA, where the Russian supplied Iraqi's stood their ground, they lasted 1 minute, where they ran they lasted 2 minutes. Russia remembers this. Not opinion, just fact. If this turns "hot" Russia knows it has no other option than nuclear to win. Putin has balls, but he's smart too.
Russia will still only push this so far.
In general I agree with you, they usually don't take it to the nth degree, however with regards to the Syrian armed forces, they've done surprisingly well considering the number of countries and terrorists they're fighting.
Iraq was largely left to survive on its own with little outside help to speak of. Syria is different. It's Russia's Port in the Med, and it is vital to Russian gas interests = Gazprom, just as it is vital to European/US gas interests = Qatar. Syria will not fold unless Russian interests can be preserved as part of the solution. With both the US and Russia coming closer to deploying troops, and all sorts of missiles and fighter jets flying around a small airspace this could get interesting in a hurry. This won't go nuclear until all the proxies are used up, remember Iran is on General Wes Clark's list of seven countries scheduled for regime change.
The US is tired of paying for all those refugees to be housed and fed in Turkey so they're shipping them off to europe, notice two things here. ALL the countries neighbouring Syria refuse to take any syrian refugees/migrants/opportunists, and the EU, with its laughably so-called rich countries with BENEFITS are getting all of them. Even Canada can't wait to be destabilized, I mean take in a boatload - we're in the middle of a federal election so giving away a few thousand passports is a big vote getter here. How come these people, and I have every sympathy for their plight, have the 10K USD to pay for passage but are impoverished when they arrive in the promised land welfare state? If they do have 10K and a passport then why don't they fly? Just who is paying that bill?
At least Russia is calling the US terrorist bluff. I wonder if Vegas has odds on this...
...Iraq was largely left to survive on its own with little outside
Wrong! Iraq is under the full control of Iran, and it has been ever since the American withdrawal.
Could you please back up your claim with some links?
If you're referring to me, I guess I could provide links but really this is well documented on many serious news sites, not to be confused with news entertainment like the msm. I worked hard to develop a very short list of people and websites that I find credible - they provide their documentation that they obtain through silly things like freedom of information requests, investigation and I think some integrity. I have also lived through these events and have some pretty clear memories of those times. Nothing happens in isolation, and there are very few true coincidences.
If you have a question then keep searching for an answer until something makes sense to you.
Do your own research ! It's pretty much everywhere...
No. It is not "everywhere" at all as you claim. And as a matter of fact, it seems to be only a rumour that Iran has any controlling powers. I do get that Iran would be interested in having or exercising control, but I cannot find any certifiable facts about that.
...since the american withdrawal.
Well yes, ...since the american withdrawal but how much help and support did they receive in the first war over Kuwait? And then the WMD excuse, do you recall anyone lining up to help them out? Remember that Iraq and Iran fought a rather long and bloody war that barely ended before Kuwait 'happened'. My point was to illustrate that Russia has serious interests in Syria, unlike in Iraq back then. The Syrians have done well so far, and I expect they'll have the fortitude to persevere since they are not only fighting FOR their homes but big brother definitely has their back in this one.
If you're saying it's a sordid mess with fluid alliances based on geopolitics, oil, proxies, religion and various religous sects then I absolutely agree with you :-)
Nope. If it is under iran control then how vome usa bases are there.
@Huh Reeeally
I don't agree with any of the asshats in power, just to be clear. My point was that there is no military that can stand up to the US in a conventional format, period. Not Russia, not China, not both together. Again not opinion, just fact. (Look up the kill ratio of US tanks versus Iraqi, and those were top of the line Russian tanks with crews trained in Russia.) They both know this (Russia and China that is), they are just playing into Obozo's weaknesses, and anything that makes the US look weaker is a win-win.
I don't agree with any of the asshats in power, just to be clear. AGREED
Also agree that no military has successfully withstood the US since Korea (China - sheer numbers) and no one has clearly defeated them. They haven't faced a 1st world armed force yet, though, and who really knows what technology each side can successfully deploy. Russian dolls and Chinese boxes, there's always another inside, like layers of an onion.
What really makes me laugh is that, if we know what we think we know, and we also know we don't know much, then WTF is really going on?
Yes, lets just ignore Vietnam... Didn't happen. LALALA
Also, the M16 (esp. back in 1969) is perfect for dragging in the mud, much better than that super reliable AK47. Yep, take my word for it.
Oh, I forgot, the Vietnamese weren't fighting fair. Those bastards! They killed that guy in the movie Green Berets with a booby trap! Cowards! Dropping bombs from 12000 feet, now that is bravery.
I have memories in SE asia, of tough motherfuckers who could live on rat meat and a cup of rice. Unless we are defending our homeland, I doubt that most american soldiers are as motivated as the forces we usually oppose.
Stop feeding the Trolls!
Aside from that, I enjoy reading your posts.
Well which wars did the amreicans win?
Vietnam ... ah no winner!
Korean again ah no win there
Iraq Ah I dont think so
Afgahnastan too soon to tell
how big and powerful were these opponents... not very
Lets just see how well the Amuricans do against the extremly strong willed Chinese and or Russians... if you are an Amurican are are not afraid of these two Countries Warriors you better go learn some history.
The Banksters win in every war.
+1000
Wars are not meant to be won, just to be used to transfer more wealth to banksters as you say. Cannon fodder yutes are very expendable.
"Afgahnastan too soon to tell"
Fourteen years of war (small "w") is too soon?
We're at stalemate and/or another loss. You can't win against a concept when you fight against a tactic.
And I believe 9/11 was an inside job by deep staters, not some goat fucker in the remotest part of the asshole of the world.
The USSA deep state cut deals with local warlords, to share the profits from Opium. The USSA is the worlds largest Heroin drug dealer. Google record production of opium in Afghanistan
Son has been in Afghanistan for thirteen years. Early on he told of how the army would make multi-million dollar cash payments to some warlord so they could use the roads unmolested.
If you want a better comparison, try the *very* well equipped forces in Georgia and how they fared against the relatively poorly equipped Russian forces in 2008.
Even though the Georgians picked up some experience in Afghanistan and were sporting the latest US Humvees and US soldier kit, the relatively rag-tag Russians made short work of the Georgians.
Another comparison - Ukraine didn't fare so hot against the breakaway Donbass rebels, rag tag as well but this time equipped a bit better with Russian kit...
Using the Iraqi Army (which after all was lead up by the US puppet Saddam Hussein) as an example of how the Russians would fare against the US Army is laughable - as in stupid laughable.
Perhaps the Hezbullah success with Kornets against Merkvas and the IDF in 2006 is closer to the truth?
Hamas blowing up a Merkava Tank likely using a SA29 Vampir:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bemnaJmikXQ
Recently the Russians developed the SA30, nicknamed the Merciless, able to destroy any tank, including the Merkava, Abrams, Challenger, Leopard etc, by countering its reactive armour via a dual staged shaped charge.
Now that's why I enjoy this site so much. Not only do I get well informed - or as close as it gets nowadays, but I also get a hefty does of comedy thrown in. Keep it up Gilnut, that last one was a ripper!
After Iraq 2 a Russian commander was interviewed and he stated that he protested that Russia refused to even give tactical advice (from outside Iraq) to the Iraqis. He stated that he had warned his superiors that no one would trust Russia in the future if they so completely abandoned Iraq.
That's assinine. Russia's military has been upgraded. It's advanced missile systems can take down any stealth aircraft America sends into their skies.
Russia’s army may be 1 million but the ready reserve is over 20 million with a follow capability of total mobilization of over 40 more million, and maybe more if one starts counting female combatants.
Watch the video below for preview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0WJcrIy8F8&list=FLhxqwnacwtI22NcNRWZ4KP...
Ok, whatever you say. Russian (and Chinese) tactics have always been overwhelming force....they'd send 2/3rd's of their troops forward without weapons, just like WWII. I hold to the facts, and the fact is that Conventionally there is no military force on earth able to stand up to the US military. Like it or not.
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/22/4790
NATO Is Marching Towards Russia, and They Have No Idea What Awaits ThemAmerica is fully aware that the way to draw Russia into a conflict is to push forward towards Russia’s borders. In time, Russia will be forced to defend its right to exist, and when this happens, western powers will not know what hit them!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4mHuUZnJjw&list=FLhxqwnacwtI22NcNRWZ4KP...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krw1XybPy-Q
This is how wars start. By underestimating your enemy.
"We'll be home by Christmas! The General said so!"
Ultimately this entire threat is worthless, since if the USSA and Russia go to a hot war, the entire planet will disappear from a nuclear holocaust. The survivors will envy the dead.
total lunar eclipse Sept 28th last of the blood moon tetrad.
The moon was eclipsed in the final sign of Pisces in the final degree in April 2015, this would point to the Holy Land
as the man who ushered in the age of Pisces was born there.
The fish swiming in opposite directions, duality and deception.
Neptune home in Pisces, the end of an age.
One could surmise the final sign of the zodiac (Pisces) would be the final age and no age of Aquarius can or will be.
Both the bible and the koran have Damascus in ruin when the fisherman (Pisces) arrives.
You misunderstand. By "conventionally", Gilnut means "on paper".
Since the USA has never fought a war against anything resembling a modern military, with anything less than complete air superiority, then that is all he has to go on... paper comparisons.
And if that paper was written by Americans for Americans, then just leave him be.
His head exploding when the inevitable "but thats impossible, .gov told me so!" moment happens will be comfort enough.
I think you have been raised on hollywood movies and debt money and think Amuricans are exceptional, better not go to a russian bar talking like that.
If the USSA could have invaded Russia and won, it would have already done so.
Latin L... I completly agree, this has been there plan for many years... it is the power of Russia and Chine that have kept the Amuricans from controlling the planet with their ahum exceotionalism...
I hope that find this Xe, Academi, Blackwater douchebag pretending to be BLM at Bundy Ranch. Go to 9;15 and see the ugly MF'er with the beard, sunglassed and baseball cap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwbIy5DJDFo
I hope this CS'er runs into Spetnaz, Qids, Syrian Army or Hezbollah and any other CS'ers fighting for ISIS, ISIL, Daesh, Ritz Katz video commandos, Al Qeada or NUSRA.
PS: The Syrian Army, Hezbollah and Qids have been protecting ALL Syrian people including Syrian Christians.
The ones in America who make me the sickest are John Hagee Jonathan Pollard Evangelicals who slobber over Bibi. John Hagee misquoting the Bible with his lies. Satanic fat f**k.
They make all intelligent people sick. Try being in a family full of evangelical Israel ball-licking morons.
"The more I know people, the more I love my dog." -Twain
Must see video about RUSSIA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UilJdNVWW5I&feature=youtu.be
Syria is Prostitutin's diversion from his catastrophic failure in Ukraine.
Let's see how Russia has failed in Ukraine.
Secured warm water naval base....check
Getting the West to loan Ukriane money to pay their gas bills to Russia......check
West Ukraine, already the poorest part of the country, pretty much a total basket case, and East Ukraine now largely under Russian control/protection.....check.
I could go on, but how about you listing the faiures.
Caconhma is one of those terminally stupid western Ukies living in their make believe fascist fantasy world, of little nazis burning russians on forks.
What I find amusing is how Germany will welcome 800,000 muslims, but not a single Ukrainian! Tells you what the EU really thinks about the Ukies and their Kiev puppet government.
DPR and LPR are also going to vote to become independent of the Ukraine and possibly become part of Russia. I wish Zakarchenko spoke English and was running for President of the USA.
The man is a Christian and a hero to people who want to be free.
https://www.google.com/search?q=zakharchenko&biw=1280&bih=859&source=lnm...
American politicians are evil lying pu*sies by comparions.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03175/zaharchenko_3175207b.jpg
Compare him to the lying criminal shitbags in Amerika like Wet Start Johnny ISIS McCain or Lindsey Graham-nesty.
The US Government is attempting to sucking Russia into starting WWIII, Putin is not taking the bait at any cost. He can now come into Syria and directly fight ISIS to help Syria because the US Government has used the "head fake" of wanting to fight ISIS...the US Government cannot back off this position now so Putin can now "run the table" in Syria.
Seriously, Putin's moves are genius. He's making the US Military leadership and it's executive look like amateurs.
I wish the UK and USA had a real man who supports his own people like Putin.
I wish every country in the West had a real man who supports his own people like Putin.
It's hard not to look like a genius when your adversary continuously shoots themselves in the foot.
Just standing around and watching them usually is enough to do the trick.
The US has become complacent in thinking about it's usual weak enemy...
They now may have to think about what they are doing... Russians can defend themselves.
Not that way... damn.
Okay kid. Your butthurt has been checked.
Putin is a thug and Obama is a ditherer; instead of chooming he should have boned up on a little bit of History.
The only thing missing when Putin took back the Crimea, was Ukrainian women cheering them on and throwing flowers on the Russian troops.
With the exception of those that profit from death, the U.S. has no interest in the Middle East. If all the money spent on the military in the Middle East was spent on a gasoline subsidy at the pump, americans would drive for free.
You lost me at "Putin is a thug..."
Putin is not a "thug". He's a Prince - in the classic sense of the word. Ruthlessly successful at being one too.
Thuggery - he leaves that to the amateurs in the US.
You should include the /sarc tag...otherwise you're just another shithead.
Why? Because I stated facts? I meant every word.
Putin is a Prince in the classical sense - don't believe me? Read "The Prince" by Machiavelli and compare.
America acting like a thug? I don't think I need to prove this one.
Took Red Pill 80% of Syrians blame US for ISIS; http://www.globalresearch.ca/poll-over-80-percent-of-syrians-believe-us-... -----
Actually I don't care what Syrians think. It is none of my business. I do think we should not be there. But I don't care what Syrians think.
And judging by the ratio of down arrows to up, no one on ZH cares what you think,LOL>
Of course 80% blame the US and not Qatar or the Sauds. They are muslims ;). They just ignore the fact that everybody who is shooting AK's/ raping/ torturing and beheading are fucking muslims. Their religion sucks.
"their religion sucks"
Wow, that is profound. /sarc off.
Did you think that one up yourself or did you read it on the Daily Bestial Lovers Website?
I didn't see that there...
I like to think that I think. While Islam sucks, in my opinion. I'd generalize a bit more than he/she/it did.
RELIGION SUCKS.
I'm a lapsed catholic, I see nothing in any organized religion that advantageous to anyone as a species. (And I was this --><-- close to being a catholic priest until they explained what celibacy meant, fuck that!!)
Yeah, Religion sucks.
That is because they don't realize that the US military has been taken over by international banksters.
It turns out that 20% of Syrians are stupid.
Unfortunately, it is not 20%. Just like Americans when polled, about 44% (by my estimate) are completely, utterly clueless. When you ask such a group any question at all, half will say, "Duh, yes?" and the other half, "Duh, no?"
Just 'cause half the clueless get the answer right doesn't mean they have any better understanding than the half who got the answer wrong.
Notice in such polls (easy, obvious questions) that it's always about 20% who answer wrong.
If I asked my daughter's third-grade class what graphics card they should buy if they had about 150 bucks to spend (AMD or NVidia), about half the class would get the answer right. Doesn't mean they even understand the question.
It is strange. That ZH always making news about russia from Reuters & Bloomberg.
Here's the info from Russia govt own channels.
https://www.rt.com/news/315823-russia-refugee-camp-syria/
Aren't you look silly enough making accusation of russian humanitarian aids for "weapons"??
Roughly 3% of Americans blame US for ISIS...
but we're still trying to wake up the others.
Really? When has "the Putinator" every engaged NATO or the west directly? Outside of a Russian territory or former territory when has Putin engaged the proxy of the west?
I Putin is willing to engage then why has he not delivered the S 300 missiles that Russia contracted to deliver way back in 2007 to Iran and Syria?
Nothing but more talk and little else. But watch out for how the west may use this big talk to justify moving on Syria with a large air strike. So, the big talk is a foolish thing unless he acts on it.
It's the difference between chess and checkers. Better yet, go rent the movie "Rounders", and fast forward to the last 15 minutes... and tell me what lesson you learned.
"Just like a young man stopping by for a qviickie.... I feel so unsyatisfyied."
The lesson I learned from that movie is people like Malkovich and Mickey Rourke are soo garbled in their speech they have to be cast as Russians.
@phantom: Nice choice on the "Rounders" example.
Personally I would have pointed to Sun Tzu's work, but someone who considers a suckerpunch to be the epitome of intelligence obviously can't read at that level and has the attention span of a gnat.
"can't read at that level "
I read Sun Tzu (translated, of course) and I consider it reading at a first grade level. Is there something more substantial?
I don't remember the publisher or the translator....the book is here but I'm renovating "this old shit hole" and can't even find the fucking toilet paper. The mexicans left my internet (after we beat the shit out of them), but everything else is in one of two PODS on the driveway.
"Attack your enemy when he isn't looking." Seemed like sound advice.
"When attacking, leave an exit for your enemy. Surround it with you finest troops." Makes sense.
"Watch where you enemy puts their guards at 4 in the afternoon. These are their derilicts. Look for them at late nights."
My Sun Tzu may have been a Bantam Book, come to think of it.
Oh Im sure the Amurican public will be all for a major airstrike against Syria and the Russians, that are battling the worlds biggest enemy ISIS... knowing that this may start WWIII against the Russians.... This would be John Mcains wet dream ... But the Amurican people are not that stupid.
While we're not that stupid, the John McCain's of our political class are so fucking far beyond stupid that anything is bound to happen.
It's the strangest thing:
ISIS threatens everyone except Israel.
Perhaps someone should false flag Tel Aviv or Jerusalem to make the story more believable.
A 50 Megaton Nuclear strike ought to do the trick.
My suggestion is to false flag DC.
A Thousand MegT device would almost be sufficient
Benefits are that the immediate cessation of uttered bullshit would cease, dropping the anuual 'bullshit global change index' by 40%, but the release of actual, physical, bullshit; penned up for fifty years by various sanitation dams, would be sufficient, after three or five years, to fertilize Sequoia's into 2m AD, and corn and wheat and shit for another thousand years.
I challenge each of you to name a politician that should not get a shave from the American Razor. Name just ONE from over the last thirty years or so.
Even stranger how do you get recruits by not threatening Israel?
I hope he leaves Netanyahoo waiting in the waiting room for 3 hours before an aide regretfully informs him that the meeting has been cancelled and rescheduled for the next week.
Putinator?? Wtf where was he in Afganistan? I believe the amuslims gonna clean up one more time. They have been fighting for centuries. Some country needs to bring in the nukes and turn the whole middle east into a glass field and be done with it once and for all. Putinator sounds like a pussy fart
Putin will let Bibi know that they have his personal bunker dialed in . . .
They should take Bibi's plane and shoes from him at the airport, and tell him to walk home.
millions of young men run from ISIL. Stand and fight for your country rather than expect anothert country to take care of you.