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Clock Ticks On US Syria Strategy As Assad Pounds ISIS Targets, Russia Sends Fighter Jets
Earlier this week, Bashar al-Assad served notice to ISIS that the tide may have just turned in the battle for Syria. The Kremlin’s move to increase its “logistical” and “technical” support for government forces at Latakia appears to have breathed new life into the regime which carried out a series of air raids in the de facto ISIS capital Raqqa on Thursday.
This came amid reports that Assad’s forces were using new “highly effective and very accurate” weaponry. "There are modern weapons that the regime didn't previously have, be they rocket launchers or air to ground to missiles," The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights told Reuters.
Needless to say, Russia’s move to bolster Assad and the suggestion by Syrian foreign minister Walid al-Moualem that Damascus may soon formally request Russian ground troops for the fight has alarmed Washington which, until now, was content to bide its time until Assad finally fell before swooping in to “liberate” the country from whatever militia managed to prevail. As we outlined on Friday, that option is now officially off the table, as toppling Assad will now mean ISIS, al-Nusra, YPG, and the various and sundry other groups operating throughout the country will need to first defeat Russia, an exceptionally unlikely outcome and one that the Pentagon certainly cannot afford to wait out. With its back against the wall in terms of explaining to the public why it seems more and more like the US would rather allow ISIS to continue to operate rather than ally with Russia and Assad to defeat them, Obama and Kerry folded on Friday, instructing Defense Secretary Ashton Carter to phone his Russian counterpart to begin coordinating anti-terror activities in Syria. Here's The New York Times:
As the first Russian combat aircraft arrived in Syria, the Obama administration reached out to Moscow on Friday to try to coordinate actions in the war zone and avoid an accidental escalation of one of the world’s most volatile conflicts.
The White House seemed to acknowledge that the Kremlin had effectively changed the calculus in Syria in a way that would not be soon reversed despite vigorous American objections. The decision to start talks also reflected a hope that Russia might yet be drawn into a more constructive role in resolving the four-year-old civil war.
At Mr. Obama’s instruction, Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter on Friday opened a dialogue on Syria with his Russian counterpart, Defense Minister Sergei K. Shoigu, aimed at making sure that American and Russian forces avoid running into each other by mistake.
“The Russians are going into Syria because the regime’s position in the north is deteriorating,” he noted. “The Pentagon has been unable to recruit and train a viable opposition to fight the Islamic State because the rebels’ main interest is in fighting Mr. Assad. Given divisions between Moscow and Washington, it’s hard to see how you turn convergence on tactical military issues into a collective and viable political strategy to stabilize Syria and end the war.”
But that appears to be precisely Mr. Kerry’s goal. “They allege that they also share the goal of a political transition that leads to a stable, whole, united, secular Syria,” Mr. Kerry said of the Russians on Britain’s Channel 4. “The question always remains, Where is Assad’s place and role within that? And that’s what we need to have more conversation on.”
Note that this is a bitter defeat for Washington. Moscow, realizing that instead of undertaking an earnest effort to fight terror in Syria, the US had simply adopted a containment strategy for ISIS while holding the group up to the public as the boogeyman par excellence, publicly invited Washington to join Russia in a once-and-for-all push to wipe Islamic State from the face of the earth. Of course The Kremlin knew the US wanted no such thing until Assad was gone, but by extending the invitation, Putin had literally called Washington’s bluff, forcing The White House to either admit that this isn’t about ISIS at all, or else join Russia in fighting them.
The genius of that move is that if Washington does indeed coordinate its efforts to fight ISIS with Moscow, the US will be fighting to stabilize the very regime it sought to oust.
In other words: checkmate, courtesy of The Kremlin.

And while Washington scrambles to decide its next move, Assad was back on offense Friday, launching what observers said were the heaviest air strikes yet on ISIS targets near the ancient city of Palmyra. Here’s BBC:
About 25 air strikes left at least 26 people dead, including 12 militants, the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.
IS captured Palmyra, which includes a Unesco World Heritage site, in May.
Elsewhere, air strikes on Idlib killed 17 people, the Observatory said.
The city of Idlib is a stronghold of an alliance of jihadist and Islamist groups calling itself the Army of Conquest.
Syrian military sources quoted by Reuters have said Syria is using new types of very accurate weapons supplied by its ally, Russia.
The latest air strikes came a day after Syrian air force jets attacked Raqqa, the de facto capital of IS.
"In the past two days, the regime has intensified its air raids against areas controlled by the Islamic State group," Observatory spokesman Rami Abdel Rahman said.
And from Al Arabiya:
Syrian warplanes unleashed a wave of deadly airstrikes on the militant-held town of Palmyra in central Syria on Friday, killing at least 15 and wounding many more, activists said, in some of the heaviest bombardment since the extremist group seized the ancient town May 10.
The Palmyra airstrikes come a day after the Syrian army carried out heavy air raids in the northern city of Raqqa, also held by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria group (ISIS).
A local activist who spoke on condition of anonymity for security reasons reported at least 30 air raids on Palmyra Friday. A local media collective called the strikes a “massacre” and said 15 people were killed and more than 120 wounded. It said Palmyra’s only hospital was suffering severe shortages in staff and equipment, and some of the wounded had to be taken to Raqqa, more than 200 kilometers (125 miles) away.
In short, the Assad regime appears to have gone from depleted and exhausted, to “massacring” rebel fighters in the space of just two weeks, a remarkable turnaround which certainly seems to suggest that if the US doesn’t figure out a strategy soon, the whole thing could be over and Assad restored.
Incidentally, Hezbollah claims to have beaten back a rebel advance in Foua on Friday. Here's Al Arabiya again:
Meanwhile, a coalition of rebel groups launched a major ground offensive on two predominantly Shiite villages in the northern province of Idlib, firing dozens of rockets and detonating at least seven booby-trapped vehicles on their outskirts.
The coalition, known as Jaysh al-Fateh, or “Army of Conquest,” attacked Foua and Kfarya villages earlier Friday. Both are held by pro-government forces in an otherwise rebel-controlled province.
Syrian TV and Manar, a station owned by Lebanon’s Hezbollah group, said popular defense forces - a term used to refer to Shiite militias - foiled attempts by “terrorists” to attack Foua and destroyed five armored vehicles. Hezbollah fighters are also fighting to defend the two villages.
Bear in mind that the main reason for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's visit to Moscow on Monday is to prevent Russia's presence in Syria from strengthening Hezbollah.
Meanwhile, behind the scenes, the man some suspect of masterminding the entire effort to restore the Assad regime, Quds commander Major General Qassem Soleimani, seems to understand the US strategy all too well - we close with the following from Iran's PressTV:
Commander of the Quds Force of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Major General Qassem Soleimani said Wednesday that the policy of the US with regards to Daesh and other Takfiri groups operating in the region is to only have them under control and not eliminate them.
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I'm rooting for Russia...WHAT THE FUCK...how far we have fallen...and out of the 8,274 candidates running for President, only 2 want LESS war, or at least see war as the 2nd option to a "problem".
Russia and the US serve the same master, just like the Dems and Republicans do. Time to wake up people, it's all theatre.
Russia is showing the world the correct way to deal with terrorists. EXTERMINATION.
dont forget whos creating this so called "terrorists"?
It's entirely possible to forget though, since there's so many.
There's Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, Israel, London, the USA, France, Australia, and NATO. I'm probably still missing some.
The Russians are going to push isis into Iraq and seal the border. isis will then be an Iraqi, Kurdish and US problem exclusively.
ISIS will be pushed into Turkey too, actually they are already there due to Turkish support.
Shows how fucking easy to whip the Made in America ISIS, if you actually want to.
This always was about ho ould ship oil from Ssyria. America and its Sunni Arabia lackeys, or Rusdia and Iran through the Shiite pipeline.
Thevworld can thank Obama and King Dhithead for the little boy in the beach.
"Anerica ruins the world to rule it"
You know.....if we were to send Jeb Bush with some Common Core doctrine....this crap would be over with in a flash.
We'd have a whole nation of communist covservatives.....that are able to think correctly politically.
"Never send a Boy to do a Man's job."
~ Old Russian Proverb
Withen 2 years, Iraq will be 3 separate countries.
And within 10, it and Syria will be Greater Israel.
Or, Israel will be greater Syria ... the part that is made of glass.
This issue is so yesterday, I want to talk about the non-apology by Donald Trump to "My MUslim Faith Obama. The 'Uniparty keeps saying I should be upset.
A Russian tanker was seized in international waters by the jihadist regime of Libya. The ship was reported to be empty. Is this going to form part of a 'blame Russia' false flag action?
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/...
Assad is still stuck with the same big problem. He does not have the infantry numbers to defeat ISIS.
You can see prime example of this on YouTube clips of Syrian T-72 tanks doing close quarters street fighting and getting taken out by RPG's because they have no supporting infantry to sweep out the enemy infantry. Heavy tactical equipment like artillary, tanks and fighter aircraft is fine, but at the end of the day you have to be able to sweep through with enough boots to control the area.
At best Assad can wage a holding stalemate until the Russians actually deploy 10's of thousands of ground troops.
Not true. Cut off the supply lines and cash funnel, and ISIS will fall apart. When the USSA, Turkey, Saudi Arabia figure out the game is over, they will cut off money.
Someone needs to tell Putin Israel is right next door to the south. Why let a crisis go o waste?
Now that the Rooskies have changed the battlescape from US State’s obsession to displace secular Assad with some Muslim Arab terrorist pipeline puppet to solving the US/Saudi/NATO/ISIS chaos problem, maybe the ISIS terror mercenaries will finally get a taste of their own medicine.
Everyday Europeans should be rooting for Russia and Assad if they want to solve the root cause of their Islamic invasion problem.
Those ISIS shills really had it made for a while.. like, where else could you get money, training, military bases, unused armor and weapons parachute delivered to your doorstep?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NzFJxX8yoY
Although I wouldn’t want to be walking around an induction center nowadays, like Arlo did in the clip above.
Obama to nominate first openly gay service secretary to lead the Army
Not true, Stackers. Once the isis men figure out there are no blonde topless virgin babes waiting for them upstairs they will lose morale quickly.
Just wait until the jihadi’s find that typo in the holy writings that prescribes not 72 virgins, but a 72-year-old virgin that looks like Susan Sarandon in character as their reward.
http://www.themakeupgallery.info/images/horror/witch/fairy/enchanted3.jpg
Syria can't defeat ISIS. And Putin's a fag. America will have to do the job. Just deal with it.
Either way, should a movie be made of this historic mess, I would nominate Sean Connery to play the role of general Qassem Soleimani.
The Debt-Money Monopolists are the worst terrorists playing off ordinary people against ordinary people while they rule over everyone.
As a person with blond hair and blue eyes, I never understood the Western media's unhealthy obsession with blond hair and blue eyes.
Someone needs to tell Putin Israel is right next door to the south. Why let a crisis go o waste?
Yes, how about that? With Americans getting sick of Israel, did Bibi run to Moscow to make nice? One has to wonder how he feels about having Russian combat troops on his border. Wonder what would happen if he pulled a "Liberty" on the Russians, eh?
Not true, they had already cut off Iran and what?
also, mate, they have plenty of their own money and financing as they are state now and are still able to export oil through a NATO member, also how exactly do you imagine your "cut off the supply lines" when they are surrounded by countries or territories you do not fully control, are quite hostile or profit from ISIS like Erdogan's turkey.
They can just nuetron bomb all of ISIS land, and then repopulate with the Chinese.
That may actually be true since by then all the Moslims will be comfortably in Europe!
enjoying a nice european winter.
Russia could have 200,000 troops there next week.
I still wonder what caused the chinese to stay out of this issue. They could have used this whole issue to their much needed advantage.
Yet not a peep from them, so strange.
$3 tillion in bad loans maybe?
Chinese have their own problems at home and in East Asia with the US war machine
Putin is a military genius.
He allowed time for enough refugees to probably cause the break-up of the EU.
He is keeping his ally Assad in power.
He is making the USA expose their real purpose regarding ISIS.
He is fighting "terrorism".
He is field testing his military equipment.
He is making himself look like "the good guy".
I am wondering if Greece will leave the EU befor ethe end of the year. The word was it was going to happen bt Putin wanted nothing to do with those sell outs and was waiting for a new Greek govt.
I think Russia dislikes Erdogan so much (and for good reason) that Russia might try to help Greece leave the EU.
And 25,000 dead and 175,000 deserters one week later.
LOL, most so-called "russian troops" are conscripts who get drafted against their will, who do not get paid, and who, by law, cannot be event sent to fight foreign wars.
THere isn't that many available "contract" soldiers who actually signed up and who are getting paid to fight. They've already done tours in Ukraine, so one can't be sure how many of them want to deploy into sandbox. And with oil revenues down, would they (the "contract" soldiers, aka mercenaries) accept old salary in 60% devalued rubles, or fresh, crisp dollar bills? Al Qaida in 2007-2009, under Petraeus, was more than happy to do that.
Knowing what's ahead, would you want to get paid in USD?
Yes, against that vaunted American ISIS mercenary fighting force that is known for its military prowess LOL. Your fearsome ISIS with full US military training, weapons, and air support can't even defeat Assad's little military force with 40 year old tanks.
They're good at chopping off heads of unarmed people and that's about it. Most are foreign jihadist idiots born and raised in Western nations under rap and hiphop MTV music. Unlike the Taliban and in Iraq, they are not fighting for their homeland. The western mercs leading the ISIS forces are also a bunch of cowards. Once they face death from air attacks, the paycheck no longer means anything. Those mercs are good at overthrowing third world countries. They didn't sign up to be attacked by cruise missiles.
"THere isn't that many available "contract" soldiers who actually signed up and who are getting paid to fight. "
Easy, Putin can pay them bonuses from the IS Treasury in Raqqa. They may prefer to be paid in gold dinars rather than FRNs.
Stackers:
With thinking like that, you can rule out any career associated with any Air Force around the world ;-)
- Ned
Good, shit on the Daeshbags. Finally some positive news. If they keep hitting Raqqa, the ISIS charade will fall apart quicker than the Zionists can handle.
Russia should just nuke Raqqa and get it over with.
And why the hell would you make a reckless, obtuse statement like that? This is ZH, not the local Legion.
EXTERMINATION is the only option for terrorists.
But not the other 10 million people remaining in Syria plus the other countries downwind
Those remaining in ISIS territories are ISIS supporters. They are the source of the terrorist's power base and must be exterminated. We can repopulate the area with the Chinese to bring stability to the Middle East.
YES!!! DEATH TO EXTREMISTS!!!
(and to those who don't recognize irony when it's staring them in the face.
Hey! I know that an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind...
But I'd rather a blind utopia than whatever shitshow we've got right now.
So let's kill everyone, on both sides. Politicians included.
the reason for most of this turmoil is the same reason since 1948: the zionist entity israel. the middle east states didn't take sides in ww2 yet were told they had to pay for germany's crimes.
I will vote for the first Pres candidate who states...."End the Fed".
Thats the real meaning of "audit the fed". Isn't that obvious?
So Ron Paul then?
duh, but it will not happen-think/realize. you are talking about dismantling the source of all control and power. creation of debt(fiat) is their central purpose. pure ponzi, moar til it ends. simple stuff.
and this war stuff is red blue banker dream material. it is a source of new debt needed as windows get broken, yea baby roll on, moar war, woodys and wet spots at central comand...
these banks, neoconservatives and war criminals will never be stopped much less brought to justice as things stand now. something must change. as i see it the most vulnerable chink in the armor of the corrupt triad consisting of the u.s. government (especially national security, treasury, regulatory and justice-judicial), the transnational corporations (especially financial-fed, media, energy, communications and military-industrial) and the zionist-neoconservative-israeli forces is 9-11. everything else is pretty well hidden or open for debate or caught up in partisan politics.
9-11 is different. it is the bridge too far. it is the overreach that can be demonstrated to be false. polls over the years show u.s. citizens are less and less believing of the government's incredible (as in not credible) story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_about_9/11_conspiracy_theories
rand paul and others are trying to get secret pages of the 9-11 report (which doesn't mention building 7) declassified. a new movie by the highly credible and non-partisan architects and engineers for 9-11 truth ( which now has added firefighters to the mix) has just been released.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsoY3AIRUGA
this crime is too great and too evil to be explained away or ignored. once a growing majority of the nation sees through this lie (and the fraction is already larger than many imagine), new things become possible. the corrupt conspiracy would start to peel away like an onion. there is no statute of limitations on treason or murder.
That would be Rand Paul, the sponsor of the Audit the FED bill in the senate. Remember, a real audit of the FED, will be enough to end it given the illegal loans to foreign banks.
People should be supporting Rand on this position alone as it is the only important issue, but combined with his stated desire to eliminate the TSA and Dept of Education can their be any other choice? I just don't understand ZH readers who support the fascist Trump. I guess shit for brains is the only viable reason for supporting Trump.
y3maxx...The Fed is insolvent and is already cooked. The Liabilities to Assets are at roughly 77 to 1. That is twice as bad as Lehman and Bear Stearns
Oh...You say that they have a Printing Press and can print their way out? It is laughable to even suggest that. (I know that you did not. Intended for those that do.)
They can only print LIABILITIES and not any real assets. That just serves to increase the insolvency as the Liabilities grow.
The CME Group is doing the same by printing up unbacked promises to deliver Gold...which are LIABILTIES. They are also technically insolvent.
The IMF knows this. That is the reason why they are pushing for the abandonment of the US Dollar as the World Reserve Currency and REPLACING it with the SDR.
The mechanism for this is already in place and all of those American Dollars in Foreign Vaults will be replaced by the SDR. Then those US Dollars will return back to American Shores igniting an epochal Hyperinflationary Inferno...which unfortunately we deserve for our excesses.
They are not fools over at the IMF. They can read the same Balance Sheets that you or I can read. They have been furiously working, behind the scenes, doing all that they can to prepare for this eventuality...as you have been preparing...as I have been preparing.
The final straw was Yellen's failure to eaise the Interest Rates. It was really a signal of a loss of independence of authority.
Yellen is no longer in control.
The game is OVER. The Fed is cooked and will self destruct due to its mismanagement of their authority.
The lack of confidence will become most evident during the oncoming Financial Meltdown. The FED will be POWERLESS to do anything but self destruct in a vain attempt to prevent this.
The FED has been ended...by the rest of the World. The writing is on the wall. It is now just a matter of time.
And time, as for time? It grows short.
"Never send a Boy to do a Man's job."
Stand down horseface.....we're sending Jerritt again.
"... a man's job..."??????
If these reports are credible -- 25 airstrikes, 26 people dead including 12 militants (whatever the hell that means).
What kind of man does that kind of work? Incompetent? Disdainful of human life? Poorly trained? Evil? All the above and more?
They are all fucked up. All of them.
It's a warning shot across the ISIS bow to redirect them to where Putin wants them.
You thought this was a game of flag football?
beanbag
Its better than -- 25 drone strikes, 2600 wedding guests dead including -120 militants (they weren't before but show them where to sign up now).
Which is how the other side has been playing for the last decade or more.
Over 2 million dead. Were they all "innocent"? No, but who is really. but I know for one thing they didnt have fuck all to do with teh 9 Elevens.
Like every Arab/Muslim fighting force since Charles brought down the Hammer in Tours? At one man per airstrike, thats almost as expensive as the 5 guys we got on the ground for $500 million
You assume they were aiming at people, instead of buildings, satellite links, materiel, command and control centres... this ain't like America wasting missles so they have to buy more so they can justify their overbloated budget.
"Never send a Boy to do a Man's job."
David v Golliath being the exception that proves the rule.
Americans sure like to believe every Jewist fairy tell they throw at them. How intruiging.
yes, that and hit girl who i find more credible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ampl0-BxSYI
Jeb BUSH on his idiot brothers decision to go into Iraq/Afghan...paraphrasing..."at that time, people wanted retaliation, and my brother rightfully provided it"....and, for the millionth time, George proved vengeance as a strategy never works out well...and Jeb BUSH is such a fucken psycopath he can't admit/see it...
What does it say about you when you're ashamed/scared to say/print your last name in public?
I remember when George Bush said, "God talked to him."
wtf?!
You would a thought Americans would have wised up at least after THAT!
'Someone stole my puppy, so I beat up a little girl.'
Seems to be the logic of that.
Laughter in NYC,
<< thats almost as expensive as the 5 guys we got on the ground for $500 million >>
General Austin should have annouced his resignation after that incredible statement. Moar proof that our upper military is as incompetent as some recently retired high brass say.
ISIS Leader Admits to Being Funded by the US
http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-leader-admits-to-being-funded-by-the-u...
Now, who knows how reliable that site it - but who still thinks that whatever makes it into the NY Times is reliable?
From that link,
"Now, a group of 50 intelligence analysts working out of the U.S. military’s Central Command have complained that their reports on Islamic State and the Syrian branch of Al-Qaeda were being incorrectly changed by senior officials."
That's what was happening during the Bush Jr admin with Iraqi "intelligence". Probably a similar cast of characters.
Nah. Ameica ruins the world for Israel to rule it. The US doesn't rule shit. It is the flailing, falling giant, run from Israel. Which wants it to fall, but only after it finishes the dirty work of Israel. A beautiful strategy, because the US destroys itself through its efforts to ruin the world for its master.
A single nuke in Tel Aviv would change everything..... Putin knows that. He's likely also waiting for the US to self destruct before he drops it.
ISIS needs to push the Turks out of Constantinople.
News:
Kerry in UK to push for end to Syrian conflict:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34298826
Kerry in UK to push for end to Syrian embarrassment:
fify
Clearly the US could wipe ISIS if they wanted to, but since ISIS is a USA asset, used to destabilize the region so "democracy" can be forced once "humanitarian problems arise", it will be kept until no longer useful.
The origins of ISIS are quite interesting. The flow of supplies are rather obvious. .GOV is the worlds largest terrorist if you follow the dots.
After being caught red-handed shipping USA vehicles for ISIS militants, .gov has come out saying that the image was doctored. LMFAO!!!! The propaganda is mind blowing.
This photo, taken from a propaganda video, shows a near identical scene featuring a different truck, raising questions as to the authenticity of the photo featuring Mr Oberholtzer's truck
"Raising questions....". From whom?
Fascism. It's obvious.
Wait until ISIS has some Truly Nolan trucks...
http://www.trulynolen.com/images/locations/service-tabs/commercial-pc-ba...
How anyone could down vote that is beyond me, but one thing is for certain, Murikistan still wouldnt be able to find them with their hundreds of billions of dollars worth of satelites raoming the lower atmosphere of Earth.
Kerry in UK to push for end to Syrian calamity.
Oh, now that the State Dept's takfiris are getting their asses whipped, suddenly Horse Face wants a negotiated peace.
Mr al-Assad has been offering talks for four years.
Just like the Ukraine. The NovoRussians (DPR and LPR) get the Ukie Army in a cauldron (surrounded) and we have Minsk 1 then they get surrounded again and Minsk 2. There were probably mercs and Spec Ops in those cauldrons. they sue for peace when they are losing.
Kudos to the Ukie soldiers who quit and surrendered knowing they were being used by Kiev and kudos for the NovoRussians for treating the Ukies humanely when they surrendered.
PM Zakarchenko of DPR has said there will be no Minsk 3.
The calamity is very real in Austria...
here is a good yahoo comment
10, 000 expected in the Burgendland Saturday-I can tell you for a FACT my Austrian cousins who live right there 2 kilometers from the Hungarian border are NOT HAPPY.
Cousin Michael is a Austrian anti-terror commando the 3 main villages neuseidler am zee Gols Munchoff are Krieger Berg dorfs-Knight fortress villages created afyer the battle of Augsburg in Bavaria 955-for 500 yrs we fought the Huns then for 500 yrs we fought the Ottoman Empire turks
NEVER DEFEATED raided to be sure but we PREVAILED.
Now with wildly reckless irresponsible statements on public media of NO LEGAL LIMITS for asylum-Merkel has DESTROYED in one drunken sponge bob moment a 1000yrs of solidarity and hard fought peace.
ANARCHY -is the definition of -no legal limits
BigK spot on. And once they are bottled up there, it becomes a Saudi problem again. Because what is left of the "rebels" in Syria will be ashes and incinerated bodies. The Syrian AF is doing this without the Russian AF; wait until the Russians start dropping their bombs at altitude and square blocks of terrorists begin to get vaporized.
A bit like how they pushed the Mujahadeen out of Afghanistan? Wait... what?
isis = not from Syria
Russia = working for Assad (of course with their own agenda of preventing a pipeline)
Yeah yeah, read a book. Russia was only helping the peoples republic of etc back then as well, and the Mujahideen were all just local freedom fighters of course, lol, except for Osama, we'll just forget about him.
History never repeats, just rhymes like fuck.
"We are only going to arm the moderate rebels."
From the second that phrase came out of .gov's piehole I know this was going to turn into a cluster fuck of epic proportions. What a fucking joke...
"moderate rebels"
But first we are going to round up some Unicorns for transportation.
"Christmas Greetings to the Fatherland from your brave and successful army in Stalingrad."
One is left with two options:
Either the .gov is a bunch of drooling retards, or a clusterfuck was exactly the desired outcome.
I pick door number two.
I pick 1 and 2.
Heh. Fair call.
nnnnnnnnnnn pretty well covers it.
All nations take orders from the Vatican, all wars are orchestrated by the Vatican and Jesuits.
Here's some "enemy nations" paying homage to the same master.
https://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/esp_vatican_pope_chavez_sf... Chavez
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01974/pope-king_1974905i.jpg Spain's king
https://imspeakingtruth.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/pope-ring-kiss.jpg Condoleeza Rice and Bush giving approval as European royalty kisses the ring.
http://s265.photobucket.com/user/TERESA7_album/media/FORUM-3%20052208/06... Berlusconi-Italy
https://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/yasser1.jpg Arafat(Wait! iSn't he a Muslim?!)
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/26/article-2513236-19A3B6AA000005... Putin prefers to kiss the book, same thing
Are you with that psychotic make-belive law group ITCCS?
LOL what a fucking joke. The "catholic conspiracy" bullshit Alex Jones is peddling?
It's The Tribe, always has been.
Alex Jones is one of them too, disinfo agent. It's SOOOO much more complex than little minds like yours can handle.
They push a BS story about their own conspiracy thru guys like Jones, because they know people have figured it out to a degree. So they pervert the message.
I don't buy ANYTHING Jones says.
but but but ISIS has been seen invading the US thru the unsecured mexican border! And Obama is just days from admitting Aliens exist!
It's SOOOO much more complex than little minds like yours can handle.
Umm...Right.
Run along now. The streetlights are on.
And who gives orders to the Vatican? The Hidden Hand doing God's Mysterious Work?
Zion
The carpenter is trying to distract.
Hey Carp
If you're talking about Tony Blair then I might listen.
The Jesuits are about 2500 old men. Apart from a few colleges and on campus mansions with well-stocked bars - they don't control dick.
I see this notion all over CNN and youtube comments, like it is an organized effort.
Lots of valid criticisms to offer about the RCC - but controlling the world smacks of obvious gatekeeping for the usual suspects
Are Jews Propagating Anti-Jesuit Conspiracy Theories?
http://zioncrimefactory.com/2013/11/09/are-jews-propagating-anti-jesuit-...
Try looking into the number of Catholics in the US versus Jews. Then look at who has been appointed to government posts, ownership/management of news orgs, think tanks, lobby groups, etc. - and you get back to us.
Doubleplus good!
You misspelled Jews.
Good interview: al-Assad and Russian media.
http://sana.sy/en/?p=54857
President al-Assad to Russian media outlets.. We cannot implement anything unless we defeat the terrorism.. The army is the most important symbol for any society.
Here's Putin paying homage to the Pope and Vatican.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/26/article-2513236-19A3B6AA000005...
When will you stupid fucks figure this out??
No. He chose to kiss the book and NOT the Pope's ring because Orthodox Christian's do not believe the Pope should be venerated or exalted as Christ. It is very telling that he chose to kiss the Bible instead.
+1 billion.
Exactly. Only idiots worship some man on earth that is some sort of middle man between the fatithful and God.
I really respect the Orthodox Church and obviously Putin.
Hey Geordi, you need to recalibrate your visor.
Bush right after kissing the Pope's ring.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qUFDMUpk9jE/StbsUsnqigI/AAAAAAAAZyI/OW09Wwz2Ix...
Quote from interview:
"They [terrorists Assad is fighting in Syria] are the third phase of the political or ideological poisons produced by the West, aimed at achieving political objectives. The first phase was the Muslim Brotherhood at the beginning of the last century. The second phase was Al Qaeda in Afghanistan in order to fight the Soviet Union. And the third phase is ISIS and al-Nusra Front and these groups. Who are ISIS? And who are these groups? They are simply extremist products of the West."
Here it is on youtube. All in English (mostly dubbed).
40-minute RT interview with Bashar al-Assad by a Russian delegation in Damascus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wELCDCPsw6M
Re comment by Publicus:
"Russia is showing the world the correct way to deal with terrorists. EXTERMINATION."
BUT Russia is not doing any fighting. None. Putin still has not fired a shot.
What has happened is that Syria now has some accurate weapons. Finally! Which begs the question.
Why was Syria not supplied accurate weapons before now. They have been fighting and losing and dieing for several years. Much of Syria is destroyed, cities destroyed and the people killed or refugees in other countries. And it appears Putin was not suppling Russia's better quality weapons. I am not even talking about suppling the S-300, as was contracted for in 2007, but rocket launchers, decent air to ground missiles for air strikes and accurate artillery. What kind of support is it when you refuse to sell those types of weapons to an "allie' who is under attack?
Putin/Russia has not fired a shot, flown a mission or put people in the field. Russia has finally supplied some weapons that might help Assad punish the insurgents who hold much of northern Syria. If the west ups the stakes in their support will Russia finally take a direct role in flying missions or launching real missiles?
And why is Putin trying to negotiate a political agreement that includes the removal of Assad? How is that being supportive or is that just being opportunistic to do regeime change using a new Russian puppet?
They are playing the long game in order to identify who will/has sided with the terrorists/rebel and EXTERMINATE all of them.
The identification phase has finally completed, and now on to the extermination phase. They should just neutron bomb all of ISIS territory and then repopulate.
You keep saying EXTERMINATE. What are you, a Dalek?
you are a little confused
one time you are inane know all...another asking clueless questions.
you have no idea about on ground in Syria..
Reasonable questions. Re-read the article for the answers. It explains how Emperor Washington & co have been exposed as without clothes after a year of off-target "air strikes against ISIS in Syria" while Russia steps in and gets the job done in a week.
Pity ¼ millions Syrians got killed before then, but who did that?
The claim that Putin is negotiating Assad's removal is bullcrap.
You need to re read the article. Russia did not fly any missions or fire a single shot. Nothing.
Also, read who got killed. Seems most were civilians. But those here seem to think it is ok when their side kills the innocent.
Putin held negotiations with the leaders of the insurgents and even hosted them as his guests recently in Russia. Why do you think he flew them to Russia, to drink vodka? It was reported that Putin wanted some figure head role for Assad and the insurgents want him dead.
Where does that BBC article say "civilians"?
You have as much evidence for them being civilians as I do for them being US/UK handlers and "trainers".
Why hasn't he supported Assad until now? Why did he fly insurgent leaders to Russia for talks? Why are you confused and critical of everything he has done?
Because constantly you try to squeeze Putins opaque actions into your own flawed concept of statesmanship, and assume to understand completely what is happening. Constantly you read things into events that suit your own bias.
He knows what he is doing - twice in as many years he has deftly avoided a trap set to mire Russia in war.
If he had acted as you critisize him for not acting, he would have been long caught in the first one.
And that shows exactly how worthless and wrong your opinion is.
RE
About 25 air strikes left at least 26 people dead, including 12 militants,
Of the dead only 12 were militants the others were not.
Safe to say the wounded are no better and most likely the numbers are worse.
It's great Assad has better weapons but sadly it appears he has not greater respect for Syrians trapped in the occupied towns that ISIS.
Blankone, Carpenter1 - listen, you guys need to tell them back at the office that they need to come up with a more imaginative way to hand out IDs. Especially when you are going to fly in formation.
how many accounts do you have and why don't the people paying you know to teach you to make them sound 'different'?
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"Russia is showing the world the correct way to deal with terrorists. EXTERMINATION."
Are the People of Ferguson terrorists?
And the theatre is dead, long live the theatre.
There are a lot of people that should be in jail... start 1, 2, 3 wars! no problem, get promoted.
Being a veteran that fought in so called wars and smokes pot for PTSD, you will be shot in your own home and arrested.
Amerika!
General Wesley Clark:
Because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.” This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, “We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?” He said, “I don’t know.” He said, “I guess they don’t know what else to do.” So I said, “Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?” He said, “No, no.” He says, “There’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.” He said, “I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military and we can take down governments.” And he said, “I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.”
So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
I agree with your point, so I greened you, but ...
Clark is a first rate douche bag who wants everyone thrown into FEMA camps if you even THINK of speaking out against or, God forbid, taking any sort of action, peaceful or otherwise against government tyranny and largess.
This whole pool has been peed in repeatedly and to the point it is simply time to drain it dry and scour the empty shell with bleach for an extended period of time before ever attempting to reuse and re-enter it.
"I agree with your point, so I greened you, but ...
Clark is a first rate douche bag"
At least, Clark doesn't think going to war for no reason at all is a good idea.
We definitely need more guys like him in the Pentagon.
Lea, the five sided puzzle palace is filled with third rate guys just like Clark, we don't need any more. - Ned
I know the puppet masters are very good but sorry, I think Putin is the real deal. I think the puppet masters are NOT in total control of the world and Russia and China are really not going for the murder criminal cabal that does control the West.
"Russia and the US serve the same master"
Boris Yeltsin ain't President anymore
You are dead right Carpenter1.
The BRICS New World Order will be the one that will be eagerly embraced once the decoy Western New World Order fails.
http://redefininggod.com/understanding-the-nwo-strategy/
The only hope for a country is not to get sucked into the orbit of either blood-sucking conglomerate. Easier said than done though ...
It's a proxy war. For at least the last three years Iran and Saudi Arabia have been fighting each other tooth and nail all over the Middle East. Sauid Arabia through their Islamist irregulars and Iran through their regular army (though in the case of Yemen the roles are reversed), brough in by Iraq and Syria to fight them off.
But now that the U.S. and her allies have openly entered the proxy war (remember, the U.S. has been bombing Syria for a couple of weeks now) it released Russia to do the same.
The proxy is a whole lot more direct now, and it looks like the U.S. will blink first. She doesn't like being met by capable oponents that she has to confront directly - despite all the military spending.
Look at all the fools here, thinking Russia is actually against the US.
Russia has a central bank, therefore it attends the BIS meetings in Switzerland and is a major part of the globalist agenda.
FUCKING WAKE THE FUCK UP SHEEPLE!!
There is a break in the force. Putin may break away this year from The London based Rothschild central bank system. He needs and now has a reason (need) to do so:
http://yournewswire.com/putin-to-nationalise-rothschild-central-bank/
OMG! That's exactly what a reincarnated Andrew Jackson would do. Hopefully, he'll lay off the Cherokees this time.
Russia’s central bank was established under Yeltsin, the drunkard puppet who ‘invited’ advisors from Washington to write Russia’s laws after the USSR was surrendered dismembered to the victorious hegemon in 1991.
As soon as the pathetic legislating cretins in the Duma grow a pair and take some action to reform the Central Bank Law and undo the subordination to BIS, then the people can have their country back.
Here's your boy Ron Paul giving the masonic handshake.
https://johnthewitness.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ron-paul-mason-2.jpg
Libertarianism was created by the same people that created your political system, and Ron Paul is the controlled opposition.
Most here think their great white hope is Russia, which will soon nuke the fuck out of you and your country.
Russia is the Ron Paul of the world, playing the antagonist to the US foreign policy.
Freemasonry is just Judaism for Gentiles. And yes, Ron Paul is a confirmed 32nd Degree. Probably why he wasn't assassinated like other US Congressmen who dared speak of the Federal Reserve Fraud.
Freemasonry, barf. What's with all that crap about rebuilding Solomon's temple? Solomon's "Temple" was likely a little altar on top of a desolate mountain used by a Stone Age tribe of desert dwelling, goat-slitting bandits. But hey, a bunch of Pharisaic rabbis lifted the dimensions and vestments whole cloth from actual Babylonian Temples constructed by a Real Empire, then embellished them by adding a lot more Gold, Silver, and Cedar, and said "we built that."
There is no evidence from any contemporary source (Assyrian or Egyptian, nor later Babylonian or Roman) of any Hebraic Empire. There is no record of any King Solomon or David anywhere outside of the the Torah/Old Testament. Despite numerous digs, there is no archaeological evidence whatsoever of any ancient Hebraic temple on the scale described in the Jewish Book of Lies. No Solomon's Stables. No Solomon's mines. Nothing. They might as well be searching for Herod Agrippa's homicidal gas chambers, Nebuchadnezzer's lampshades, and Tilgath-pleser's soap.
It's all just another Jewish Hoax. A fucking Shaggy Dog story: Freemasonry.
"We get to the bottom of the international situation. Is there a real struggle between Russian and the US Empires? Or is it a war of both States against the Peoples of the Planet?
Babylon is One and while the actors in the play often believe in what they do, ultimately their actions amount to manipulated events. States need war. It’s why they exist. The Money Power manipulates events from behind the scenes and Ezra Pound’s conclusions, that wars are caused by these Banker manipulations, still stands.
We also discuss the main monetary reform proposals out there and the need to improve on them."
https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2015/03/06/two-interviews-and-a-rec...
https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/the-difference-between-d...
The Daily Bell Hoax?
https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2012/09/16/the-daily-bell-hoax/
"The Daily Bell, a leading libertarian website known as much for its staunch support of Austrian economics as for its strident “gold bug” mindset, recently featured an article entitled “The Ron Paul Hoax?” which attempted to defend Ron Paul’s reputation in the wake of a series of articles on Clint Richardson’s Reality Blog showing Paul to be essentially nothing more than a fraud. Although the Bell admits to having doubts about the efficacy of Paul’s “Audit the Fed” legislation, they refuse to believe that Paul himself is a fraud. Of course, one may wonder how muchevidence the Bell and its supporters will need before accepting the truth..."
The BRICS wont save us and neither will our Oligarchs, only We can. - Scrap
Yes it's true, the president has no dick. All he is good at is the passive/aggressive thang, and that only with a Teleprompter...
;-D
"...It's a proxy war. For at least the last three years Iran and Saudi Arabia have been fighting each other tooth and nail all over the Middle East...."
I agree in part, Motasaurus. This is a huge part of what's happening that's often relegated to a footnote of 'causes'. But the situation is far more complex. Years of European and American empire-building, Oil interests, ZATO's Russian 'containment' attempt, religious extremism, Israel land-grabbing and Turkish criminal clownfuckery are all rolled into one here. Every one is needed to trace the path that ended us up here.
"...Sauid Arabia through their Islamist irregulars and Iran through their regular army (though in the case of Yemen the roles are reversed), brough in by Iraq and Syria to fight them off."
That's a part of it, but I will offer an alternative: this is a banker war between Saudi Arabia/Qatar and Iran/Iraq/Syria, with the U.S. squarely backing the Saudi Arabia/Qatar side, cheered on by Israel and ZATO.
The neocon/Kagan/ISW noise about armed intervention is kind of the after-show for Syria. How did all their wars start? Iraq started with sanctions. Iran started with sanctions. Syria started with sanctions. Economic destruction followed by political stability exploited for regime change. The most damaging of those sanctions (and the easiest for the U.S. financial bully to enforce) are banking sanctions. Those are also easiest to ram through the tratiorous little bitches in congress with the least amount of hand-wringing and public outcry. No bad PR from Twitter pictures of dead babies or mutilated kids and destroyed homes, but destruction of the 'target' just the same.
Case in point [from Kenneth Rijock's Financial Crime Blog]:
So if this guy is going to be the Terrorism and Financial Crimes guy, why was he silent about the same sanction threat for Saudi Arabia and Qatar? They regularly use the banking system to move massive amounts of money to finance their terrorist war in both Syria and Iraq. Where's the outrage there? How many Americans have already died (and will die) because dual-citizen israeli-firster Szubin (his two predecessors in the job were the same) pees his pants about any Iranian funds going to 'enemies of Israel' but he - just like his predecessors - will completely ignore ANY of the widely-known money transfer mechanisms the Saudis and Qatar use to fund terrorists?
The joke in all this is that the U.S. is the first to employ sanctions when it suits Israel's whims, but refuses to even acknowledge the river of money flowing to ISIS, al Nusra and the dozens of other head-chopper clans that the Saudis and Qatar fund. Why? Because to Israel (and their little bitches in the U.S. congress) any dime spent on terrorists that oppose Iran or any of their allies is not terrorist funding - it's democracy building. Ever heard of a Saudi or Qatar bank sanctioned? Ever hear of a U.S. or European bank sanctioned for moving terrorist payrolls every week to ISIS? ISIS steals and extorts a lot of money from it's imprisoned populations, but they hardly have the financial wherewithal to fund a damn global war. ISIS isn't running a cash war with suitcases of fiat - they have to use banks like everyone else for the big stuff.
Russia knows this. It wasn't going to feed it's soldiers into a meatgrinder again (like Afghanistan) funded by Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the U.S.. Putin supports Assad, but would not take Russia down merely to defend Syria. All Putin had to do was wait until enough corruption and theft corroded the terrorism financing pipeline. Now it doesn't matter how much money goes in - very little gets to the terrorists on the front lines. The head-choppers are starving. Let's just say Putin has some experience on both sides of the fence dealing with corrupt psychopaths and their criminal regimes' amazing ability to self-destruct from rot.
Turkey got greedy and took to much skim from the terrorist logistics network. The jihadis themselves have been robbing ISIS and al Nusra blind of everything - weapons, radios, cash. Mostly to support their two biggest habits: food and ampehtamines. Although they continue to fund the terrorists, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the U.S. have to be convinced by now that it's like storing water in a sieve (but maybe I give them too much credit here).
ISIS and al Nusra are on their financial death-bed from corruption. Good at head-chopping, not so good handling money. Putin merely has to get Assad to kick a few pegs out from under them to hasten the collapse. There will be no mass influx of Russian troops because it's unnecessary. Russia is not trying to annihilate ISIS in a war of attrition - they're letting it rot on the hoof, and giving it an occasional well-placed kick. Back-door Turkish-ISIS deals for oil? Bomb the f'king oil wells - no more oil sales. U.S.-ZATO intelligence via scrambled SATCOM links? Take out the ground stations - six months to get the new crap there which Russia will direct Assad to take out again. Takfiri payday? Smoke the al Raqqa branch of the ISIS/ZATO central bank. Next up: main branch in Mosul.
Russia has no desire, and Putin just has enough common sense not to fight ZATO terrorists on their (or the Kagan's) terms: rivers of blood and money. Russia has neither to waste and has demonstrated over and over again that they won't fall for ZATO's usual tricks. They let the ZATO terrorists in Syria bleed out by self-inflicted cuts, and will merely direct Assad where to inflict the final set of wounds to finish them off.
In the mean time, ISW and the Kagans are still trying to decide if there's some other way they can get the sieve to hold water. As of late, the strategy seems to be to send Kerry to negotiate something based on the premise that the sieve is still holding water. It's kind of pathetic when you think about it.
Good stuff.
You are on a bit of a roll at the mo :)
+1
One of the best parts of ZH is Paveway and others.
Is this Kerry trying to sue for peace like Porky and Yats with Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 after the Ukies were destroyed in two cauldrons? DPR PM Zakarchenko has said there will not be a Minsk 3.
They mass murder innocent people like murdering bullies but when someone fights back they beg for peace. Evil scum. .
The kagans
I see benito and clara hanging from the facade of the Esso station.