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Clock Ticks On US Syria Strategy As Assad Pounds ISIS Targets, Russia Sends Fighter Jets

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Earlier this week, Bashar al-Assad served notice to ISIS that the tide may have just turned in the battle for Syria. The Kremlin’s move to increase its “logistical” and “technical” support for government forces at Latakia appears to have breathed new life into the regime which carried out a series of air raids in the de facto ISIS capital Raqqa on Thursday. 

This came amid reports that Assad’s forces were using new “highly effective and very accurate” weaponry. "There are modern weapons that the regime didn't previously have, be they rocket launchers or air to ground to missiles," The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights told Reuters.

Needless to say, Russia’s move to bolster Assad and the suggestion by Syrian foreign minister Walid al-Moualem that Damascus may soon formally request Russian ground troops for the fight has alarmed Washington which, until now, was content to bide its time until Assad finally fell before swooping in to “liberate” the country from whatever militia managed to prevail. As we outlined on Friday, that option is now officially off the table, as toppling Assad will now mean ISIS, al-Nusra, YPG, and the various and sundry other groups operating throughout the country will need to first defeat Russia, an exceptionally unlikely outcome and one that the Pentagon certainly cannot afford to wait out. With its back against the wall in terms of explaining to the public why it seems more and more like the US would rather allow ISIS to continue to operate rather than ally with Russia and Assad to defeat them, Obama and Kerry folded on Friday, instructing Defense Secretary Ashton Carter to phone his Russian counterpart to begin coordinating anti-terror activities in Syria. Here's The New York Times:

As the first Russian combat aircraft arrived in Syria, the Obama administration reached out to Moscow on Friday to try to coordinate actions in the war zone and avoid an accidental escalation of one of the world’s most volatile conflicts.

 

The White House seemed to acknowledge that the Kremlin had effectively changed the calculus in Syria in a way that would not be soon reversed despite vigorous American objections. The decision to start talks also reflected a hope that Russia might yet be drawn into a more constructive role in resolving the four-year-old civil war.

 

At Mr. Obama’s instruction, Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter on Friday opened a dialogue on Syria with his Russian counterpart, Defense Minister Sergei K. Shoigu, aimed at making sure that American and Russian forces avoid running into each other by mistake. 

 

“The Russians are going into Syria because the regime’s position in the north is deteriorating,” he noted. “The Pentagon has been unable to recruit and train a viable opposition to fight the Islamic State because the rebels’ main interest is in fighting Mr. Assad. Given divisions between Moscow and Washington, it’s hard to see how you turn convergence on tactical military issues into a collective and viable political strategy to stabilize Syria and end the war.”

 

But that appears to be precisely Mr. Kerry’s goal. “They allege that they also share the goal of a political transition that leads to a stable, whole, united, secular Syria,” Mr. Kerry said of the Russians on Britain’s Channel 4. “The question always remains, Where is Assad’s place and role within that? And that’s what we need to have more conversation on.”

Note that this is a bitter defeat for Washington. Moscow, realizing that instead of undertaking an earnest effort to fight terror in Syria, the US had simply adopted a containment strategy for ISIS while holding the group up to the public as the boogeyman par excellence, publicly invited Washington to join Russia in a once-and-for-all push to wipe Islamic State from the face of the earth. Of course The Kremlin knew the US wanted no such thing until Assad was gone, but by extending the invitation, Putin had literally called Washington’s bluff, forcing The White House to either admit that this isn’t about ISIS at all, or else join Russia in fighting them. 

The genius of that move is that if Washington does indeed coordinate its efforts to fight ISIS with Moscow, the US will be fighting to stabilize the very regime it sought to oust. 

In other words: checkmate, courtesy of The Kremlin. 

And while Washington scrambles to decide its next move, Assad was back on offense Friday, launching what observers said were the heaviest air strikes yet on ISIS targets near the ancient city of Palmyra. Here’s BBC:

About 25 air strikes left at least 26 people dead, including 12 militants, the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

 

IS captured Palmyra, which includes a Unesco World Heritage site, in May.

 

Elsewhere, air strikes on Idlib killed 17 people, the Observatory said.

 

The city of Idlib is a stronghold of an alliance of jihadist and Islamist groups calling itself the Army of Conquest.

 

 

Syrian military sources quoted by Reuters have said Syria is using new types of very accurate weapons supplied by its ally, Russia.

 

The latest air strikes came a day after Syrian air force jets attacked Raqqa, the de facto capital of IS.

 

"In the past two days, the regime has intensified its air raids against areas controlled by the Islamic State group," Observatory spokesman Rami Abdel Rahman said.

And from Al Arabiya:

Syrian warplanes unleashed a wave of deadly airstrikes on the militant-held town of Palmyra in central Syria on Friday, killing at least 15 and wounding many more, activists said, in some of the heaviest bombardment since the extremist group seized the ancient town May 10.

 

The Palmyra airstrikes come a day after the Syrian army carried out heavy air raids in the northern city of Raqqa, also held by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria  group (ISIS).

 

A local activist who spoke on condition of anonymity for security reasons reported at least 30 air raids on Palmyra Friday. A local media collective called the strikes a “massacre” and said 15 people were killed and more than 120 wounded. It said Palmyra’s only hospital was suffering severe shortages in staff and equipment, and some of the wounded had to be taken to Raqqa, more than 200 kilometers (125 miles) away.

In short, the Assad regime appears to have gone from depleted and exhausted, to “massacring” rebel fighters in the space of just two weeks, a remarkable turnaround which certainly seems to suggest that if the US doesn’t figure out a strategy soon, the whole thing could be over and Assad restored. 

Incidentally, Hezbollah claims to have beaten back a rebel advance in Foua on Friday. Here's Al Arabiya again:

Meanwhile, a coalition of rebel groups launched a major ground offensive on two predominantly Shiite villages in the northern province of Idlib, firing dozens of rockets and detonating at least seven booby-trapped vehicles on their outskirts.

 

The coalition, known as Jaysh al-Fateh, or “Army of Conquest,” attacked Foua and Kfarya villages earlier Friday. Both are held by pro-government forces in an otherwise rebel-controlled province.

 

Syrian TV and Manar, a station owned by Lebanon’s Hezbollah group, said popular defense forces - a term used to refer to Shiite militias - foiled attempts by “terrorists” to attack Foua and destroyed five armored vehicles. Hezbollah fighters are also fighting to defend the two villages.

Bear in mind that the main reason for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's visit to Moscow on Monday is to prevent Russia's presence in Syria from strengthening Hezbollah. 

Meanwhile, behind the scenes, the man some suspect of masterminding the entire effort to restore the Assad regime, Quds commander Major General Qassem Soleimani, seems to understand the US strategy all too well - we close with the following from Iran's PressTV:

Commander of the Quds Force of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Major General Qassem Soleimani said Wednesday that the policy of the US with regards to Daesh and other Takfiri groups operating in the region is to only have them under control and not eliminate them.

 


 

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Sun, 09/20/2015 - 08:38 | 6571028 NubianSundance
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Remember the 'highway of death' in Kuwait. FF to today where ISIS drives around in extensive convoys with hardly a care, until now, as the Russians are changing the 'game'.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 15:20 | 6569562 TheReverend
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President Obama just issued an executive order related to, "Scientific Behavioral Insights of the American People" here is what it means for the American people: http://www.churchfreedom.org/president-obamas-behavioral-insights-executive-order-the-truth/

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 15:32 | 6569600 lakecity55
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Everyone is in terror over the homosexual communist Muslim.

Until they are not.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 21:17 | 6570320 New_Meat
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we have our very own scientific proof that reincarnation works: Lysenko is alive and kicking in DC!

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 15:39 | 6569563 earleflorida
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how things unfold fast?  "Former bin-Laden lieutenant killed in Syria: activist"    http://dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/Sep-19/315926-former-bin-laden-lieutenant-killed-in-sryia-activists.ashx

and, how long before the Turkish Army does a long-awaited 'Coup',... the Kemalist legacy for secularism?!?       "Is AKP heading for a split?"      http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/09/turkey-erdogan-strong-grip-may-cause-possible-split-akp.html

and lastly, Sir Pepe Escobar from Atimes.com, has this juicy untangled mess summed-up for the exceptionalist OBi1... nothingness...     "Peace in Syria'? It's Putin's fault: Escobar"                 

http://atimes.com/2015/09/peace-in-syria-its-putins-fault-escobar/

just fillin in for Chaos, while americans play possum...! It don't work people: 'think guilt by association'?!?  

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 15:29 | 6569592 lakecity55
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Just wait until Spetnaz units are sent into Daesh Territory. Daesh will be massacred. Unlike US Homo troops, the Russians will kill.

The Russians will cut their heads off and stick their dicks into their throats.

Obama will miss the loss of dicks, but, oh well.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 15:31 | 6569598 q99x2
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President Obama, in a historic first for the Pentagon, has chosen to nominate Eric Fanning to lead the Army, a move that would make him the first openly gay civilian secretary of one of the military services. --infowars

Her nickname is Fanny


Sat, 09/19/2015 - 17:12 | 6569816 Eahudimac
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Fabulous!

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 18:01 | 6569960 me or you
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Fannyyy please bring me the coffe, darling!.....Thank you sweety!... Mua!

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 21:03 | 6570288 lakecity55
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Haha, Reggie, My Islamic fighters willl have no problem beating our gay soldiers and getting some ass!

Brilliant move, Munchnkins!

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 15:49 | 6569648 The Indelicate ...
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did the Syrian government invite in American troops or jets?

Because if not - on what authority is America sporadically attacking the foreign mercenary terrorists it has been supporting in order to overthrow yet another government on the other side of the globe?

I know this sounds glib - but does anyone have a sober response?

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 21:37 | 6570336 New_Meat
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Indelicate or just stupid?

"... does anyone have a sober response?"

Duuude, you posted this at 15:49 Eastern (+5) on a fucking Saturday night.  We know you b a newbie and all, but your comment is fubar on so many levels:

"did the Syrian government invite in American troops or jets?"

Do you have any evidence that there are "American" troops or jets doing anything here?  There is no evidence in this  posting, sure some speculation.

The most stupid part of your post, no it isn't the "glib" comment, (you did use up your one freebie on that, however), is to expect "sober" comments on a weekend night.  There are many things that I could  suggest to  you to do to improve your lot in life, but I doubt  you'd be able to execute them, if you get my meaning.

- Ned

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 16:04 | 6569689 farmerbraun
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Farcing classic!

"Just when you're ready Bashar. No rush!" John Kerry.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/kerry-syria-assad-timing-negotiabl...

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 16:06 | 6569693 The Indelicate ...
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‘Great victory’? Israeli nuclear program resolution voted down by IAEA
https://www.rt.com/news/315787-israel-iaea-nuclear-inspection/

Some countries are more equal than others....

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 16:59 | 6569788 Central Ohio
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Russia is the leader, U.S. the follower in the area.  Russia's pilots and staff get experience, the U.S. names a Secretary who will make recruiting less attractive. 

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 21:01 | 6570282 lakecity55
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Join the USAF! A vibrating dildo with every plane!

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 21:27 | 6570338 New_Meat
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55, been that way for a while, we just didn't have to watch or listen.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 17:13 | 6569803 john milton
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Hey Dear Americans..

Its time for you to do some good things.. abandon bombing and start careing.. 

#you broke it, you own it# 

Why should I take a bourden of your policy mistakes..

why are you putting the bill for scandinavian nations in

immigration problems you did...??

You broke it so you pay it..

 

My suggestion is that you change all your FEMA camps and change it for real humanitarian aid,

you free all the war combatans in guantanomo bay and change it for reservoir of immigrants..

same applies for iran, israel, jordan..

#caliphfags lives matter#

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 18:42 | 6570063 bunnyswanson
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Advise the CIA/Mossad assassins to stop killing our heroes and you will get your wish.  And I am speaking of not only America, but Mexico as well.  We know who is responsible for the mayhem all around us, and it "ain't" the Americans, who are facing a tax hike so great, their children will be slaves and their country sold off to the vulture capitalists (which is the plan in case you did not know).  Globalization is the scam of the century.  Agenda 21 is the Repo Truck.  The bankers are the terrorists and their agents and handlers are spread across this globe like a goddam plague.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 20:59 | 6570279 lakecity55
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The USG is full of idiotic morons. Fortunately, I only have to protect lesser peoples' lives.

Time for US Serfs to kick out King John and the Sharif of Nottingham.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 07:29 | 6570961 Thick Willy
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Fuck you pussy.  There are 5 billion non-white people on this planet and they ALL want what you got: houses, clothing, cars, blonde white girls, health care, education, public transportation, etc.

Every.  Single.  One.

There will be hundreds of millions of immigrants to Europe in the next 10 years.  Guaranteed.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 13:06 | 6571578 bid the soldier...
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Not to worry.  

The Pentagon will be making it's case to Obama later in the week for a nuclear first strike.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 17:31 | 6569872 PN7
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With Eric Fanning leading the American Army...if Putin hires Elton John to lead the Russian Army, the uniforms in WW3 are going to be absolutely Gorgeous!

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 18:17 | 6570000 SMC
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The US has a strategy?  That is funny!  ROFL!

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 18:59 | 6570034 jcdenton
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My goodness Tylers, ZH .. You did not get the memo?

 

Syrian Rights Observatory, Russians Hit Israelis on Golan, Drive to Tel Aviv

 

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/11/syrian-right-observatory-russian...

The point being if Putin (former Lt.Col. GRU, former Director of the FSB) is to commit RF troops en mass to the regions of Syria, southern Turkey, and northern Iraq it will be to cut the jugular vein of all the problems present in the ME. And that is not the ruse most term -- ISIS. And once Tel Aviv and Haifa are dealt with, if everyone else does not get the message; Washington Is Next. No one else on the planet at present has and knows how to deploy [fully tested on western forces] -- Magrav ..

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Keshe_Foundation

If God actually took sides in terrestrial temporal warfare, whose side do you think he would take at this point in time?

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/15/putin-is-scaring-the-heck-out-of...

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/11/american-evil-pentagram-propagan...

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 18:43 | 6570066 gwar5
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"US Syrian Strategy" is an oxymoron.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 18:45 | 6570073 Leg Man
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I have scored a 3 because the analysis I have is a slowly progressing of an Assad victory prior to Russia's "assistance", rather than a faltering or about-to-fall Assad. I think this is more about establishing a Russian military presence in Syria to expand it's power in this particular region, rather than stop Assad from falling. It will speed up ISIS's demise, but this is about geopolitics, not one battle.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 19:00 | 6570100 opport.knocks
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As much as everyone would like to see it, there will be no big military defeat of ISIS. A few more casualties, yes, They will simply vanish in the night and go back to their homes and wait for their next contract assignment at the behest of Israel/USA. I'll bet the process has alrady started.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 19:06 | 6570109 Spiritof42
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This is an interesting turn of events. Little by little, Washington's quest for world hegemony is unraveling.

Germany is surprisingly quitting the anti-Putin Alliance created by the United States: Germany now officially welcomes Moscow’s readiness to engage with Syria and launches an initiative to end the war with the Russians and the French.Thus, the stream of refugees is to be stopped. Germany put thousands of soldiers on standby.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/12/syria-germany-breaks-out-of-u-s-...

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 19:36 | 6570157 Volkodav
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VT is not reliable source always....sometimes flakey

sometimes crazy from reality

 

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 20:42 | 6570248 lakecity55
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Well, it's 0400 here in Amman and we have not been bombed yet.

Not much or a report, but I only said I was here and would report the news.

I will say this place is like out of the Bible/Koran.

Anything can happen....

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 21:30 | 6570347 New_Meat
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Volkodav:

"VT is not reliable source..."

You sir have the correct of it.  Bernie Sanders is anything but reliable.

- Ned

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 20:08 | 6570209 Hotmustard
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The elites will be pissed if Russia wipes out ISIS. They were hoping to get another 10 years out of those guys. Bye bye ROI. 

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 20:08 | 6570210 Hotmustard
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The elites will be pissed if Russia wipes out ISIS. They were hoping to get another 10 years out of those guys. Bye bye ROI. 

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 21:35 | 6570358 New_Meat
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you can say that again !!!

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 21:56 | 6570420 Moe Howard
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Yes that true, but they still will have the 5 moderate Syrians they trained for over $400 million. They should be supersoldiers at that price. Quality not quantity.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 20:21 | 6570226 bid the soldier...
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READ THIS, DUDES

 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/john-kerry-eases-demands-on-syrian-president...

Kerry and Obama are eating their own turds while 

Putin is Triumphant

The game isn't over but make no mistake who is ahead today

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 20:39 | 6570245 lakecity55
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How about I stay in power and you get lost, Lurch?

Meet the Vlad.

Uh, I'd rather not.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 23:37 | 6570614 bid the soldier...
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At the beginning of this century, the capitals of Europe seemed indifferent to the destabilization of the Middle East and its resulting death and destruction.

Now millions of fugitives from Washington's devastation of the ME are unwelcome but seeking asylum in the countries who had no objection to what Bush and then Obama did. 

America eventually will have to pay too.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 23:15 | 6570591 bunnyswanson
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Watch this, dudes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOTU9vYZx98

RAW:  Putin watches Russia bomb the hell out of Israel..errr ISIS.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 03:27 | 6570839 bid the soldier...
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Those fuckers in Stockholm and Copenhagen better watch out.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 05:09 | 6570881 bunnyswanson
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BREAKING NEWS:

World
11:55 20.09.2015 Washington has signaled its readiness to cooperate with Russia in the intelligence sphere in order to fight the Islamic State militant group in Syria, according to the German newspaper Build am Sonntag. Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20150920/1027256960/united-states-russia-syria-support-intelligence.html#ixzz3mGguDzLX
Sun, 09/20/2015 - 12:58 | 6571555 bid the soldier...
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'readiness to cooperate'  ==  'backed down'

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 20:44 | 6570244 ThrowAwayYourTV
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Putin must have heard about our new Gay Army Leader and figured, Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Who the hell would do something like that to their troops?

Now in stead of painting their girlfriends and mothers on the nose of their aircraft and tanks they will be painting their boyfriends.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahaha! Time to make a "Check Mate" move.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

https://youtu.be/SiUYlm7M6vc

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 06:02 | 6570909 conscious being
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That does smell like a takedown from the inside. Its like someone wanted to destroy moral. The timing is awful. A lot of them already don't like supporting the head chopping cannibals. 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 06:10 | 6570914 Zwelgje
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I think we're seeing a controlled demolition. 

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 20:50 | 6570265 MaxThrust
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We are just waiting for a US Hitler to be ELECTED

Yes, Hillary but the "anti-christ's " chances are fading fast.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 23:16 | 6570592 22winmag
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America should be so lucky to elect such a leader.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 21:14 | 6570316 ShakaZulu
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Pepsi/Coke.  Putin/Obama.  Obama will have the wookie in his bunker.  Putin wins with his bevy of blondes.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 22:34 | 6570502 libertysghost
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Anyone else think the neocon/neolibs in charge for years might be being undercut here from inside?  You have to wonder...since Clinton "resigned" its seemed like Ukraine has slowly been downplayed and here, in syria, it's as if Kerry and Obama were hoping Putin would come in finally to let them off the hook. 

I'm not romanticizing this Administration at all, but Putin's move exposes the hypocracy of the previous foreign policy with regard to ISIS.  But exposing the hypocracy it forces these turd Pentagon "leaders" to explain what the hell they've been doing.  At the same time it could sabatoge the Clinton campaign later...which Obama does seem to enjoy.  Again, it's not that I like this guy...but they aren't this dumb...and everything they have done has seemed to have some alternative purpose.  Just a possibility.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 22:40 | 6570517 Cashboy
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As a European, I put the blame on the USA for the problems we have in Europe regarding swarms of immigrants coming.

The USA interefered with Syria trying to get rid of Assad with who was democratically elected because he didn't want a pipeline constructed through and play ball with what the USA wants.

USA created rebels that then, with USA money and equipment, created ISIS and went to smash up Iraq instead.

Putin who has basically screwed the USA's plans correctly.  thank you !

But you USA have created a flood of immigrants into Europe which will cost Europe a fortune.

The situation has destabilised the Eurozone and the Euro currency which has benefited the US dollar as the reserve currency, that being a major contribution to the strong US dollar.

Just remember that the Americans since the second world war have never won a war and created most of the conflicts in the world.

Unbekown to American people that think they are respected for their peace and fairness, most people think they are a load of interfering tossers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 23:53 | 6570645 dsty
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Russia and Europe are hardly innocent in this mess.

Russia will not take Israel even if the US totally abandons them

This refuge problem will not be avoided by the US

It is part of the plan you know , millions will come to the US

The Muslims will be allowed to have their way

Jihad America is judgement

Like Israel and Babylon

 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 02:49 | 6570812 tarabel
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People fool themselves into believing that the approaching unviersal madness is going to huff and puff and blow down the houses of those evil people over there but we'll all be snug and cosy in our little thatched huts.

Au contraire, everyone will stand before the fiery altar.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 00:37 | 6570705 pupdog1
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Europe has been letting these muzzie ragheads sashay into their countries for years now, in the name of socalist utopia for all.

So, no whining when the camels come home to roost.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 08:03 | 6570975 Joe A
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Don't whine then either when camels come flying into your high rising office buildings (European intelligence agencies btw. gave the Americans enough and timely warnings about camels coming home to roost in NY and DC but that intelligence was ignored).

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 02:46 | 6570810 tarabel
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The problem with America is that we keep doing Europe's dirty work and letting them get away with pretending that they have nothing to do with it.

Oh sure, you hate us.

Until you need help getting rid of the Serbs.

Or pounding Libya for you because you have lots of warplanes but somehow forgot to order any bombs to go with them.

That gas pipeline in Syria you're whining about? It doesn't run over to New York City, does it?

You don't want no freakin Syrians getting your welcome mat dirty, then use your own navy to patrol the Mediterranean, your own army to seal the borders and YOUR OWN LAZY ASSES to do something about the Middle East.

I mean, besides sitting in the bleachers and whimpering about how evil Uncle Sam is. Now go back to decorating up the Braun Haus for Oktoberfest.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 05:52 | 6570905 conscious being
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Divide by tarabel. Divide. Divide. Divide. My advice to you is go back and work on something else. People here anyways are on to the get a wedge in there and divide gambit. Why don't you try, it wasn't us, hey look over there it was them, instead?

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 08:07 | 6570966 Joe A
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"Getting rid of the Serbs"?

An example of an American not getting the facts. Yugoslavia had to disappear after the Berlin wall fell. The EU at the time tried to avoid a civil war in Bosnia by negotiating a power sharing deal in that country. Several proposals were rejected, mostly by the muslems. Then the Lance-Owen plan was on the table (the current agreement in Bosnia -the Dayton agreement- is a copy of that). The illegitimate leader of the muslems Izetbegovic wanted independence of Bosnia (against Yugoslav constitution and against international law), did not want the Lance-Owen plan and wanted to turn Bosnia into an islamic state. Then the Americans arrived on the scene and supported Izetbegovic in that case. EVERYBODY KNEW THAT AN UNILATERAL DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE OF BOSNIA WITHOUT A POWER SHARING DEAL WOULD LEAD TO CIVIL WAR. Sorry for shouting but everybody knew that. And bang! A civil war erupted.

Recently a Dutch journalist discovered in the Clinton files that there was a secret deal between the US, the UK and France to deny air support if the Serbs would attack Srebrenica. Dutchbat asked for airsupport 7 times and got practically none. To surprise of the Dutch government cause they did not know about the deal. Guess what happened after that?

The US gave the Croats intelligence when they ethnically cleansed 220,000 Serbs out of Croatia (and killed 2,000 and destroyed 40,000 Serbian homes and other objects) during Operation Storm in 1995. Operation Storm was the biggest ethnic cleansing in Europe since WWII. But maybe that is what you meant to say with "getting rid of the Serbs".

Then in 1999, the US and the UK secretly trained, funded and supplied weapons to the Kosovo Liberation Army which started killing cops and Serb officials in Kosovo. Milosevic's response was brutal. Then -just like in 1914- Yugoslavia was presented with an ultimatum which they could not accept cause nobody would accept it. What followed was a 78 day war against Yugoslavia (expected to be 48 hours) in which civilian targets were specifically targeted (after Wesley Clark found out NATO was not hitting enough military targets). At least 1,500 civilians died, thousands of objects destroyed and a damage to the economy of 20-30 billion dollars. NATO was supposed to protect Serbs in Kosovo but at least 100,000 were ethnically cleansed. NATO used cluster bombs and DU weapons. Cancer and other diseases are on the increase in both Serbia and Kosovo.

So, get an education. The US was VERY VERY instrumental in the violent breakup of Yugoslavia. While the EU tried to avoid a bloody breakup, the US made it possible. Cause the US had not time for European peace initiatives and wanted to show the Europeans who is really the boss in Europe cause Europe is America's bitch.

Thanks to GWB's invasion of Iraq, 1.5 million people are dead there. It is not much different when it comes to Obama and Lybia and Syria. So yes, America is responsible for the mess in the Middle East.

Edit: I don't have anyhing against Americans that are not blinded and are open to the facts. I have something against those "my country, right or wrong" kind of people, wherever they come from.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 07:19 | 6570950 Lucky Leprachaun
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NO NO AND NO. Do not fall into the divide and rule trap.  The same  Ziocon globalist financiers run both Europe and the USA. We, the European and American people, are turned on one another whenever THEIR interests demand it.  Recognize the real enemy.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 07:28 | 6570960 Thick Willy
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USA will always do what is best for the USA.  If you don't secure your borders but instead welcome in hundreds of millions of subhuman, violent, illiterate, child rapist Muslims then that is YOUR problem, not ours.  You could have secured your borders but instead you give any random Muslim that shows up to rape your children a house, car, money, food, etc. and you pay for them FOR LIFE.  And their entire family (by which I mean: parents, brothers, sisters, grand parents, wives [plural], children [many]).

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 08:59 | 6571046 Joe A
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Hundred of millions is really exaggerated and also the qualifications you give them.

In Europe we are now waking up to the question if the US really is our friend. And well, with friends like that, who needs enemies?

One American ZH commenter once wrote: "Europe should not doubt that the US will turn Europe into a smoking pile of rubble in order to save American hegemony". But if they shoe was on the other foot then I would not doubt that either. Cause the world has alway lived in an 'age of empires'.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 12:56 | 6571549 Thick Willy
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Europe is comitting racial suicide and it has little to do with the United States.  What will be destroyed here is socialism as a concept.  Which, by the way, deserves to die in agony.  You are a continent of socialist sheep and you are inviting in the wolves to feast on your children.  Your suffering will be legend.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 09:13 | 6571067 godiva chocolate
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EU asked for this long ago. For decades you have been voting for corrupt politicans who offered you entitlements that you could not afford but as long as somebody else paid the bills you didn't care. You became lazy, self-indulgent, self-righteous and corrupt. You were happy to elect the corrupt who had sold out to the Banksters for more loans to continue living beyond your means. The Banks payback was for your country to support "regime change" in Syria so the bankers could capitalize on it and give you cheap gas. EU leaders have supported the US attempts to expand into Syria, Ukraine, Libya and Iraq - and you elected them caring not what they were doing as long as you could get your entitlements. Now when the fallout from forced "regime change" appears, you cowardly blame everyone else but you lazy, tolerant, freeloading, safety-net loving selves.

Sat, 09/19/2015 - 23:44 | 6570627 newbie vampire
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Who would believe this ?  The so-called Evil Empire riding to the rescue while the calvary is busy arming the renegades.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 00:03 | 6570656 Savyindallas
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Russia and Putin will likely win. The west and JUSA are controlled by Zionist Internationalist Banksters. They still control their populations but there is a growing oppoistion  - a growing awakening  as to who really controls their countries and for whose benefit  - when the sheeple of the West wake up it will be lights out for the Zionists -Yes they will induce depressions, war , false flags, but they are in grave danger that that their Orwellian control will fail  -that the Matrix will be shatterred. We may very well look at Putin someday as the great liberator. We should all pray that this will be the result.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 05:46 | 6570902 conscious being
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I see it the same way Savy.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 07:15 | 6570947 Lucky Leprachaun
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So do I.  Why do such a gifted people keep shooting themseves in the foot for literally millennia?

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 10:52 | 6571260 Freddie
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the sheep are controlled by TV, Hollywood and the media. 

When they start turning off then there might be some hope.  White American males cheering their Trayvon thugs like sissified cheerleaders cheering on white genocide shows how weak they are.  These white males really are pathetic.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 00:12 | 6570673 zebrasquid
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the enemy of your enemy is your friend.
Blowing any aggressive Muslim barbarians to pieces works for me...no matter who's doing it or why.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 00:15 | 6570677 Arthur Schopenhauer
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[meh]

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 00:33 | 6570701 pupdog1
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"Eight time zones and no warmwater port. Motherfucker!"

 

    --Vlad

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 02:41 | 6570806 truthordare
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Hesbollah...???

WTF is wrong with Western Journalism?

Hesb Allah = Party of God

Are they afraid to say it?      ;)

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 03:52 | 6570845 wizteknet
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Interesting...

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 04:49 | 6570863 Allen_H
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The Terrorist USSA will eventually run out of fighters to send, as they all know it is now a one way ticket to hell. Syria is doing a great job of ridding the world of this low class filth, and soon there will be war or revolution on terrorist USSA's soil, I look foreward to this, payback is going to be a bitch.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 05:00 | 6570876 wizteknet
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We ant runny out mofo

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 05:42 | 6570900 Allen_H
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Fuck off AshkeNAZI cock sucker.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 07:12 | 6570943 Lucky Leprachaun
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Don't equate the Ziocon criminals running the USSA with the American people.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 07:39 | 6570973 Allen_H
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Why not ? It is your children and men being sent out to kill innocent people, what part of terrorist USSA do you not understand ? 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 10:05 | 6571137 Lucky Leprachaun
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The American people - and I'm not one - are totally brainwashed and dumbed-down by the media and "education" system, both of which are owned and run by the ruling elite. 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 04:57 | 6570872 wizteknet
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Enjoy kicking his ass

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 05:04 | 6570878 wizteknet
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fun

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 05:18 | 6570879 wizteknet
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.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 06:52 | 6570928 bunnyswanson
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See 1 minute mark, the white bursting light coming on earth into the air.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=82&v=3cDc7GfE7OI

The Samson Option in reverse

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 06:57 | 6570933 JohninMK
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BREAKING NEWS!!!

There are now satellite photos around of what seem to be pretty clearly four Russian Su-30SM at Latakia in Syria.

Netanyahu, the Israeli PM, is in Moscow to see Putin tomorrow. Perhaps the RuAF should send the Flankers up to 'escort' his plane through international airspace on its way from Israel to Russia. It would have to pass within their range. Fully armed of course!

Could you imagine his face as these Russian fighters appeared alongside over the Med? Then Putin's when he casually mentioned it tomorrow?

 

 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 07:31 | 6570963 HowdyDoody
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A video of Syrian air force attacking ISIS ground forces. Towards the end there are a couple segments showing a very European(?) guy firing a very modern ATGM against Syrian jets on the ground. ISIS seems to have more modern weapons than the Srian army.

Warning: the sound track is just endless Allah Alluakbah - enough to drive you nuts. However there are a couple of true Allah Alluakbah moments when they are on the receiving end of airstrikes (0:50 especially, also 5:30). Note someone shouting Mig-Mig with an English accent at 0:55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txs8X0dz5DM

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 07:56 | 6570992 TongueStun
Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:44 | 6572702 scrappy
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"We get to the bottom of the international situation. Is there a real struggle between Russian and the US Empires? Or is it a war of both States against the Peoples of the Planet?

Babylon is One and while the actors in the play often believe in what they do, ultimately their actions amount to manipulated events. States need war. It’s why they exist. The Money Power manipulates events from behind the scenes and Ezra Pound’s conclusions, that wars are caused by these Banker manipulations, still stands.

We also discuss the main monetary reform proposals out there and the need to improve on them."

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2015/03/06/two-interviews-and-a-rec...

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/the-difference-between-d...

The Daily Bell Hoax?

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2012/09/16/the-daily-bell-hoax/

"The Daily Bell, a leading libertarian website known as much for its staunch support of Austrian economics as for its strident “gold bug” mindset, recently featured an article entitled “The Ron Paul Hoax?” which attempted to defend Ron Paul’s reputation in the wake of a series of articles on Clint Richardson’s  Reality Blog showing Paul to be essentially nothing more than a fraud. Although the Bell admits to having doubts about the efficacy of Paul’s “Audit the Fed” legislation, they refuse to believe that Paul himself is a fraud. Of course, one may wonder how muchevidence the Bell and its supporters will need before accepting the truth...

 

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 03:38 | 6577861 onmail1
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CabalA$$LickerHomObamma :'O my A$$, i was told dat Russia iz onlee a developing country about to collapse, How can dey act like a superpower, we are the one'

 

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We (homos) are the champions

of the world ............(Freddie Mercury)

 

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