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Putin: Friend Or Foe In Syria?
Submitted by Patrick Buchanan via Buchanan.org,
What Vladimir Putin is up to in Syria makes far more sense than what Barack Obama and John Kerry appear to be up to in Syria.
The Russians are flying transports bringing tanks and troops to an air base near the coastal city of Latakia to create a supply chain to provide a steady flow of weapons and munitions to the Syrian army.
Syrian President Bashar Assad, an ally of Russia, has lost half his country to ISIS and the Nusra Front, a branch of al-Qaida.
Putin fears that if Assad falls, Russia’s toehold in Syria and the Mediterranean will be lost, ISIS and al-Qaida will be in Damascus, and Islamic terrorism will have achieved its greatest victory.
Is he wrong?
Winston Churchill famously said in 1939: “I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest.”
Exactly. Putin is looking out for Russian national interests.
And who do we Americans think will wind up in Damascus if Assad falls? A collapse of that regime, not out of the question, would result in a terrorist takeover, the massacre of thousands of Alawite Shiites and Syrian Christians, and the flight of millions more refugees into Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey — and thence on to Europe.
Putin wants to prevent that. Don’t we?
Why then are we spurning his offer to work with us?
Are we still so miffed that when we helped to dump over the pro-Russian regime in Kiev, Putin countered by annexing Crimea?
Get over it.
Understandably, there is going to be friction between the two greatest military powers. Yet both of us have a vital interest in avoiding war with each other and a critical interest in seeing ISIS degraded and defeated.
And if we consult those interests rather than respond to a reflexive Russophobia that passes for thought in the think tanks, we should be able to see our way clear to collaborate in Syria.
Indeed, the problem in Syria is not so much with the Russians — or Iran, Hezbollah and Assad, all of whom see the Syrian civil war correctly as a fight to the finish against Sunni jihadis.
Our problem has been that we have let our friends — the Turks, Israelis, Saudis and Gulf Arabs — convince us that no victory over ISIS can be achieved unless and until we bring down Assad.
Once we get rid of Assad, they tell us, a grand U.S.-led coalition of Arabs and Turks can form up and march in to dispatch ISIS.
This is neocon nonsense.
Those giving us this advice are the same “cakewalk war” crowd who told us how Iraq would become a democratic model for the Middle East once Saddam Hussein was overthrown and how Moammar Gadhafi’s demise would mean the rise of a pro-Western Libya.
When have these people ever been right?
What is the brutal reality in this Syrian civil war, which has cost 250,000 lives and made refugees of half the population, with 4 million having fled the country?
After four years of sectarian and ethnic slaughter, Syria will most likely never again be reconstituted along the century-old map lines of Sykes-Picot.
Partition appears inevitable.
And though Assad may survive for a time, his family’s days of ruling Syria are coming to a close.
Yet it is in America’s interest not to have Assad fall — if his fall means the demoralization and collapse of his army, leaving no strong military force standing between ISIS and Damascus.
Indeed, if Assad falls now, the beneficiary is not going to be those pro-American rebels who have defected or been routed every time they have seen combat and who are now virtually extinct.
The victors will be ISIS and the Nusra Front, which control most of Syria between the Kurds in the northeast and the Assad regime in the southwest.
Syria could swiftly become a strategic base camp and sanctuary of the Islamic State from which to pursue the battle for Baghdad, plot strikes against America and launch terror attacks across the region and around the world.
Prediction: If Assad falls and ISIS rises in Damascus, a clamor will come — and not only from the Lindsey Grahams and John McCains — to send a U.S. army to invade and drive ISIS out, while the neocons go scrounging around to find a Syrian Ahmed Chalabi in northern Virginia.
Then this nation will be convulsed in a great war debate over whether to send that U.S. army to invade Syria and destroy ISIS.
And while our Middle Eastern and European allies sit on the sidelines and cheer on the American intervention, this country will face an anti-war movement the likes of which have not been seen since Col. Lindbergh spoke for America First.
In making ISIS, not Assad, public enemy No. 1, Putin has it right.
It is we Americans who are the mystery inside an enigma now.
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Yet both of us have a vital interest in avoiding war with each other and a critical interest in seeing ISIS degraded and defeated.
Really?
ISIS was made in America. Obama has a multispectrum war ongoing with Putin. How can he be a friend in Syria?
ISIS: The jihadist movement stamped “Made in America”
For three years, the US, along with the Gulf states and Turkey, poured billions into “opposition” groups, supposedly to unnamed “moderates,” but in reality to Al Qaeda-linked Sunni groups such as al-Nusra and ISIS to spearhead a sectarian war. The US, Turkey and Jordan have operated a base in Jordan where US instructors trained dozens of ISIS members. In an article last year, the New York Times confirmed that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey by airlifting weaponry to these groups in Jordan and Turkey. The Guardian reported last March that British and French instructors were also involved.
Other ISIS members were trained near Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where US forces are based. After completing their training, they went to Syria and later Iraq
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/isis-j30.html
Obama belongs to the Muslim brotherhood.
Hey Pat..
The small secret cartel of the very few super ultra uber filthy old money wealthy financiers that gives Obama, State and NATO their marching orders only wants Syria to enjoy the same freedom, security and prosperity that they endowed Libya with.
Oh, and a new pipeline to marginalize Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_OFaE19myg
Manthong you're fantastic.
It's kinda like the 9th step.
The establishment media tried to inundate us with tales of young girls fleeing to join ISIS to create the Beatles screaming girls effect.
ISU.S.
How the fuck should I know whats what in Syria. The US told n]me they created ISIS, that they want Assad out, that they are fighting ISIS and Russian just teamed up with us to fight ISIS and that's bed, so how the fuck do I know?
This is the very same shit as if I stockpile some food and water as per FEMA suggestions (Go to their website) I'm doing my patriotic duty, but if I do my patriotic duty the NSA/DoJ/Whothefukever, says I'm a prepper and as a prepper, I'm a terrorist
Sure fucking glad they left rates at 0%. Gonna borrow a bunch and make me some money.
See and this is why the Government has a credibility problem, and then blames me for not thinking right.
Apart from the (Now proven as false flag) chemical incidents, I still fail to see precisely what Assad ahs done to deserve such treatment. Other than "It's neocon policy"?
Americans seem to be in complete denial about the refugee problem in Europe, and even Europeans don't really see the cause of the problem because the European MSM are just propoganda machines. This is entirely a US-created problem. Go home and fix your own problems, which are indeed very substantial.
It is always and has always been about containing Russia. Looks like Putin will have none of it anymore.
It is a riddle continuity of government wrapped in a mystery deepstate inside an enigma sovereign nation
"...Putin: Friend Or Foe In Syria?..."
You left out an option, Tyler. Putin is now the hammer in Syria. It's unimportant what the U.S. thinks of him now - it's only important not to look like a nail in Syria.
>>It is we Americans who are the mystery inside an enigma now.<<
Bull.
Learn to use the language to communicate reality instead of false narratives.
The Debt-Money Monopolist controlled Vichy government doesn't represent me as an American. They **hate** Americans more than they hate anyone else.
Proclaiming that I support their criminal policies is a lie - and stop lying about me and millions of others.
"America" doesn't exist, people exist and the average person has no say in their Debt-Money Monopoly financed government's decisions.
Tha Bankster bailouts were 99-1 against and the Vichy Bankster operatives pulled out their KMA cards.
If you want to know what a Rockefeller meant by the term KMA card, listen to Aaron Russo explain...
Reflections and Warnings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ
Putin remembers the good ol' days of the USSR. But he has no chance of defeating ISIS unless he sends ground troops. He won't do it in a million years.
"Putin won't defeat ISIS in a million years". It looks like he already has, because it looks like US/NATO&Co are about to throw ISIS under the bus.
Note: Pat brings the seeming "voice of reason" from the anti-war contingent of the political right, but pay attention to the outcome he foresees:
Different tune, same dance. Jackals, all of them.
I am Chumbawamba.
All he has to do is shut down Debt-Money Monopolist supply lines and ISIS is toast.
It isn't like these 50,000 fighters are working 9-5 in munitions and arms plants.
The Debt-Money Monopolist calculus has to be whether the average Westerner is so disengaged with reality that they can actively defend ISIS / al Qaeda supply lines they've been running for years.
How many CIA / MI5 transport planes have to be shot down supplying ISIS before their is a PR nightmare? I know, they would lie and claim Russia was aggressive. But are the American people THAT stupid and out of touch?
It is a close call.
The USA is no enigma nor mystery. It is a 100% corrupted country in the pockets of the wealthiest elites in the world (The Tribe). It is the tool of the Zionists of Israel. If you ever wonder why The Tribe has been persecuted for millenia and expelled from pretty much every country in Europe at one time or another, there is your answer. They are parasites that crave power and wealth and will never shy away from spilling other peoples blood to get it.
As if it is not confusing enough already:
Israel, for some strange reason seems to think foaming at the mouth Sunni terrorists who behead entire villages are less of a threat than a Shiite arc of stable nations stretching from Iran through Iraq and into Syria. Maybe they're right. Could it be that a shadowy Nazi conspiracy to build nuclear weapons a la Rapallo in proxy states for Germany is what is really behind the whole push to destroy the Shiite Alliance?
So maybe the Zionists think, "OK, we need to focus on one threat at a time. Nuclear capable nation states are a bigger threat than murderous Toyota truck drivers in black pajamas." B theut of course, they would be wrong. Because those same Takfiri/Salfist terrorists hate Isarel more than they hate Shiites and Christians the are currently beheading and raping (maybe in that order). If there is a shadowy Nazi conspiracy, the Nazis will simply work with the new bosses the same as the old bosses, and the nuclear threat wil only get worse, not better. Iran, if it had a nuke, would use it as a deterrent, to balance Israeli nukes; but a radical Wahabist would use it as an offensive weapon in an attack against the Zionist Entity. That being the case, Israel will have no choice, if ISIS wins, but to preemptively nuke entire nations.
It's just another reason Israel is on a dead end road, heading straight for its own nuclear Sampson Option at breakneck speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15EuY98gCUk
It is the Debt-Money Monopolists, NOT "Israel," whatever you imagine that to be. The ordinary Israeli protests their corrupt government by the 100,000s of thousands because they can't stand the Debt-Money Monopoly's oppression, either.
Israel mass protests over rising living costs | Aug 2011 | BBC News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VGOO5f8RjA
"...ordinary peoople are becoming more disgruntled."
BINGO!
"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.
~Lord Acton
Elevate you level of consciousness or else are unwittingly promoting the evil you claim to oppose.
" Yet both of us have a vital interest in avoiding war with each other and a critical interest in seeing ISIS degraded and defeated.
And if we consult those interests rather than respond to a reflexive Russophobia that passes for thought in THE think tanks, we should be able to see our way clear to collaborate in Syria"
Who is this "us, we and our" the author is referring to?
Is this more unicorn blather?
Actually just prepping won't do you any good. They passed a law that dictates incase of an emergancy situation. (war :P) the gov can take your food and water, literally, take it. Their now implementing it where you need to have your passport ready for inter state air travel. As for all of this syrian and ukrainian bullshit, we all know what its really about, war with Russia. Been going on in their wet dreams from way back before even world war II. We are just seeing the continuation of this wet dream. There was a coup de ta in America and no one knew about it. I got family and friends there, and i want them to be alright , but im fearful now, because every damn day you see more and more news reports, russia this, USA that, and now Russia is cock blocking the US plans, and it is starting to look that it will go from proxy war into a fullblown one. I don't know what will fuck up first, the economy, or one of these world powers that are going to cause this to go into over drive. Nuclear war, is a reality, and people that think that will never happen tend to be quite naieve. But anyways, i agree with you Knukles.
Putin to Obama: I'd rather see you dead little girl than to see you with another man.
9th step? You don't mean early Alfred Hitchcock The 39 steps do you? "What are the 39 steps?"
Knights Templar indoctrination?
First rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club
;-)
a cult within a cult
I was guessing a reference to "The Ninth Gate," starring Johnny Depp and Frank Langella
Are you Syria-ous? Crimea a river Putin lovers.
Everybody know Assad is the real enemy for his refusal to let the Qatari pipeline through it.
..and that’s not like Bulgaria reneging on Southstream, how?
Shouldn’t Russia be toppling the Bulgarian regime now?
How did pro-Russia Bulgaria wind up with an anti-Russian goverment?
Wait a minuute ... has Vicky Knudleman-Kagan been there and done that already?
..wouldn’t surprise me a bit.
But she and her ex-con squeeze are now busy working on getting Macedonia toppled in order to block the Turkey-Greece Southstream work-around.
..so many NGO’s, so little time.
> How did pro-Russia Bulgaria wind up with an anti-Russian goverment?
> Vicky Knudleman-Kagan been there and done that already?
...or other flavors of Cohens and Levitts with endless variations from Levi to McCowan would...
People in Bolgaria have nothing to do with the local colonial/occupational government installed in their country by ZOG (one can't say "by USA" since American goyim have been under ZOGs direct opression for almost 300 years)
> It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma
Well, Churchill's mom, was a Jew from Brooklyn, NY. That detail of his biography would be a revelation for many I reckon -- so that puff was an "enigma" himself.
Russian "riddle" is not any different, in principle, from that of any other country occupied by ZOG, i.e. the local goyim population is oppressed by chosenites. The only difference is that Russia has been a battlefield of competing chosenite clans for years.
"Well, Churchill's mom, was a Jew from Brooklyn, NY."
That may explain his enthusiasm for gassing the Arabs.
No worry... They all are getting ready to emigrate to Russia. more here:
http://thesaker.is/ukraine-sitrep-september-17th-2015-by-scott/
The EU threatened to turn off Bulgaria's sunshine if they continued South Stream.
What could poor Bulgaria do?
I suspect they were given an offer the couldn't refuse - dump South Stream or bite on Nudelman's cookies.
I'm afraid that it's only a matter of time before they turn this sort of shit loose in the US.
Friend or foe? There is no such thing in international relations.
International Relations 101:
1. Mutual Interest
2. Balance of power
3. Everything else is bull sh.t
"It is the pipeline, stupid"
Israel has discovered huge natural gas fields off its coast.
But they need to pipe it to Europe.
Qatar and other Middle East countries also need to pipe their natural gas to Europe.
The United States does not want Germany to ally itself with Russia because they could challange the US sphere of influence.
But Russia has a practical monopoly of natural gas to Europe.
Russia is the master of Syria and will not permit Assad to allow a natural gas pipeline through Syria to Europe.
Solution: Overthrow Assad. That's why the US is at war in Syria.
So, what is preventing Israel from building their own gas pipeline to the EU?
You mean actually do something for themselves instead of playing the victim card and getting suckers to do it (and pay for it) for them?
There is much you must learn to earn that name Stycho...
Yes, that and map reading 101.
"So, what is preventing Israel from building their own gas pipeline to the EU?"
Muslims will not allow it.
But if you mix the Israel natural gas in a pipe delivering Muslim natural gas to Europe, then who is to know where the gas came from.
Well, you know that money is not going nowhere and the MSM just ate it right up that we recently paid out 500MM to train four or five moderate fighters. What a load of crap. There is documentation all over the place suggesting that the US and its allies have been supporting these insurgents, I esp love how the language turns from moderates to insurgents when we no longer wish to be seen as associated with them. I really don't know what is going to happen here, but hopefully someone in the whitehouse can push the empathy button for once and do something decent for the world rather than acting like a bunch of jacked up frat boys. My good god, why is it that we ellect leaders lacking the moral consitution of a tape worm! They are everywhere, not only that, but they also lack all mental capacity beyond what it takes to remain alive! Is it really worth killing, injuring and displacing millions of people for control over something that is going to be phased out over the next handfull of generations? This is stupidity at its finest! Stop this freaking retarded war, and wtf is up with Japan voting to let the military leave the country? You keep putting rules and regulations on the people and they get dumber and more passive, god dammit wake up people! UGH, I am so maddddddddddddddd! Anyone want to move to the moon with me? No politicians or uber rich people allowed! :(
http://cassad.net/tv/videos/13957/
ISIS hates the west and yet Obama supported it.
The US is just continually looking for another war to support it's military-industrial complex.
In the mean time the US debts keep building up. Going towards $19 trillion. Unfunded liabilities are huge.
Insanity reigns.
Unsound on so many levels but it’s most certainly a result of psychopathic motivations in that crowd.
Isis hates the west ? Isis is a mercenary army put together by CIA/Mossad so they only "hate" whoever their paymasters order them to "hate". And they certainly dont seem to hate Israel , they get treated very well in Israeli hospitals .
A complete idiot could see that ISIS was 1) created by the US, and 2) not the focus of what the US is doing in Syria. The fact that millions of Americans believe the utter bullshit that we're running around in Syria to take out ISIS and not Assad in order to further the interests of the MIC and other oligarchs is truly amazing. It also shows why we're fucked because no matter how blatant the lie, if it's repeated enough times on TV the large majority of Americans believe it.
The American sheeple bleat as trained. Trust is the opiate they use to feel exceptional.
Because it's easy to digest. Like a cheesburger & fries - which, not coincidentally, is a reasonable metaphor for the thinking/reasoning capacity of the modern day electorate in the U.S.
amaze me how naive are these americans...
Crimestop. New vocabulary I just learned on ZH. Describes the Orwellian state of Americans quite well. Americans are afraid. The State is truely ruthless. Look what they did to JFK. 9/11 murders. Lois Lerner never sleeps.
"Winston Churchill famously said in 1939: “I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest."
From the genocidal British motherfucker that labeled Indians and Arabs for extermination as soon as he met them!...
Russia was the insurmountable force the British and French couldn't break even with the "charge of the light brigades" that's why he said that. And thats why he depended on the Yanks to do it for him -pussy motherfucker!!!
Good little Rotschild whore that he was!!!!
Churchill deliberately starved 4 million Indians during World War II accounting for more than 90% of the casualties of the British Empire during that war:
How Sir Winston Churchill Starved 4 Million Indians
Madhusree Mukerjee’s book [Churchill’s Secret War: The British Empire and the Ravaging of India during World War II, New York, Basic Books, 2010] is not a denunciation of British rule of India, but a meticulous chronicling of the role of the British Raj in furthering a famine in Bengal, and suppressing the fact that this deliberate holocaust took 4 million lives. British historians, including Sir Winston Churchill in his five-volume memoir, glossed over this rather ‘irrelevant incident.’
http://www.vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=1396
British torture in Kenya during the Mau Mau revolt in the 1950s:
Interrogation under torture was widespread. Many of the men were anally raped, using knives, broken bottles, rifle barrels, snakes and scorpions. A favourite technique was to hold a man upside down, his head in a bucket of water, while sand was rammed into his rectum with a stick. Women were gang-raped by the guards. People were mauled by dogs and electrocuted. The British devised a special tool which they used for first crushing and then ripping off testicles. They used pliers to mutilate women's breasts. They cut off inmates' ears and fingers and gouged out their eyes. They dragged people behind Land Rovers until their bodies disintegrated. Men were rolled up in barbed wire and kicked around the compound.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/apr/23/british-empire-crim...
When Mahatma Gandhi launched his campaign of peaceful resistance against British rule in India, Churchill raged that Gandhi:
Winstone Churchill the genocidal Jewish American British motherfucker . FIFY
"Winstone Churchill the genocidal Jewish American British motherfucker"
Churchill was not a joo. His mother was unadulterated homegrown Wall Street WASP, and his father was a Brit lord.
Genocidal and a war criminal, that he most certainly was.
Nigga, Joe Pesci said that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are living proof a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. With the emphasis being very firmly on "little"
You're a living proof how no knowledge is a dangerous thing . Churchill was a lowlife scum who committed biggest holocaust ever by starving millions duing Bengal Famine .
Russia must be our ally if ISIS is the enemy.
To admit that ISIS is the creation of the CIA, Israel and the Saudis ... supported by Turkey and Europe, is to admit the these western powers are the EVIL that threaten the world.
is OBomber ready to admit that he (and not the American people) is the evil and that he is supported by Europe and Israel?
Yes, I think "patrick buchanan", is new to the game...Get a clue patrick!
too much tv
Pat's one of these stuff-you-can't-say kind of guys. Grow a pair before you die Pat. You have the podium.
PCR is much more the DangerMan.
Pat is hardly new to the game. Although I did vote for Alan Keyes over him in the Rep primary in '96 or whenever it was...
He's not bad for a mainstream politician...but would never challenge the tribe...
Let the astroturfing begin!
Friend to Freedom loving Americans, Foe to ZIonist Bolsheviks, where ever their smelly dens are.
Name one statist, totalitarian regime that Patrick was against, besides Iran & North Korea ;-)
Hussman's analysis is up
http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc150921.htm
What is ISIS?
I believe President Schlocktard called them a JR Varsity Basketball Team
Billy, I kinda wanted to 'lay back' on your loss.
It was a P-38 Lightning, flying through the clouds.
Billy, I can't describe the respect I have for my Mother.
It was your Father, but you really got lucky! My Father was a cheating POS, and destroyed our family. ;-c
You know it's really gotta suck for him now, the poor guy, all the "hopes" and dreams for "change" crushed on the rocks of the worlds reality, all the redlines crossed after Arab Sparrriing!, all the insurmountable debt, all the jobs saved or created, all the groping and fingering of airline passengers, all the drone familial killings, all the forcing people to buy a product or service from a corporation.
Now he's reduced to simply expanding trade with Cuba (for ONLY corporations & the well connected) and inviting #BlackLivesMatter activsts to meet the Pope, while I'll still be forced (yet again) to smuggle in my OWN Cuban cigars & rum as an individual.
Same as it ever was.
And you know what? I'm fine with that, fuck him, it's talk like a pirate day anyways...arrrrgh ;-)
life wasn't meant to be easy ... can you pick me up one of these next time?
http://cdn.pursuitist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Keira-Knightley.jpg
How bout some Havana Club #7 and an H Upmann #2 instead?
Mrs.N might have a problem with the way the "baggage" is packed ;-)
Havanna Club, Seleccion de Maestros is even better. It's cheaper to buy in S America than in Cuba for some reason. I don't know anything about smoking dog turds though other than that they smell good but I don't want that shit in my lungs.
ISIS is 'Caliphate worshipping robber gangs'.
This article is either intellectually dishonest or naive in defining the relationship of ISIS to the US.
Buchanan has his own agenda, and he's still bitter because he got kicked out of the big club after he pissed off some Zionists. But he does make some good points now and again, and at least he calls out the neocons.
I just wish it had something new or at least original in it.
'Merikans are a misery wrapped inside an enema.
Relocate Washington D.C.to Somalia.
He's our friend if he keeps us OUT of Syria
True. All anti-bankster-war voices are welcome.
Politics is always about selecting the lesser evil, because the ideal situation is never on the menu. Cooperation is always better than confrontation. After toppling Saddam and Gaddafi, now seeing the results in Iraq and Libya, it should be very obvious what's the lesser evil.
Fake Left - Right Paradigm - Russia and America are BFF
All the UN resolutions and sanctions on Afghanistan, Iraq ,Iran and Libya were passed with yes vote from Russia.
Russia has veto powers but never uses them.
Russia delayed the Iranian reactors for 20 years. They denied Iran missiles. Russia agreed to isolate Iran.
Putin privatized all Government owned Russian banks. Russian central bank is owned by Rothchilds. Putin decided to not nationalize the Russian central bank.
You missed one. Russia and the US BOTH supported Saddam in his 10 year war against Iran.
Proof Russia and America working together to screw humanity.
Whenever Russia & American wants to destroy a country they come from opposite sides in the name of Communism/Democracy – Socialism/Capitalism aka any opposite ideologies with a common ground on Freedom. This is the same tactic they used for over 100 years now.
List of countries they have divided and ruled and butchered millions of local population.
Whenever US & Russia ZERO-IN on any country…Its guaranteed Innocent millions in that country will die.
1. Germany
2. Korea
3. Balkans
4. Combodia
5. Vietnam
6. Yugoslavia
7. Afghanistan
8. Libya
9. Ukraine
and now
10. Syria
Is their any doubt looking at the past history of these two countries involved in so called peace and freedom of its local population and then murdering millions and quietly leaving the scene as Russia has done often in the past with America staying to butcher more.
Up until now, US policy in the Middle East has been dictated by the newcons. When are we going to shake off the influence of these bastards? Netanyahu has been openly supporting the Al Nusra front from the start in order to ensure a weak and chaotic Syria indefinitely. Why does our government continue to support this criminal plan?
this all boils down to "gettin" vlad. does even one zher believe this would happen w/o every 'murican eatin' a strontium-90 sandwich?
What defines the United States as the worst of the worst "ever"!
Any questions?
PUTIN has his own interests at heart, and those of Russia. and it adds up to POWER.
If Putin wanted to just fight ISIS, he could have done that in Syria a long time ago.
The timing of Putin's move - shows that he stands to gain a lot from Assad for what he is supplying now. Putin didn't do this out of the goodness of his heart. It comes with strings attached.
< Russia is resisting/opposing NWO
< Russia is working hand in glove with West to usher in NWO.
Please vote, I really need to resolve this issue in my head.
Vlad isn't a eugenicist.
Putin personally and his immediate team - the former.
The mass media in Russia and most of the Duma - the latter.
Hope that helps.
When the Malaysian plane was shot down in the Ukraine it fell into rebel territory friendly to the Russians yet the black box made it's way to the west and the contents were not publicly revealed. Indeed. Whose side are the Russians on? "Modern Russian weapons" in Syria. This sounds like a great pretext for massive MIC expenditures. Orwell had it right.
It actually fell into Ukraine - not Russia - so Putin could not get the black box without opening up claims of Russian tampering. Putin let the West have the black box knowing that it would never be released - but also knowing that because it shows that Western Ukraine did it - that the issue would die down. Why? Because if the West did not let it die down, they would have to release that evidence.
So nice of you to correct an error that I didn't make about where the plane went down. Do you have reading comprehension problems?
"this country will face an anti-war movement the likes of which have not been seen since Col. Lindbergh spoke for America First"... Yes, just like the Occupy movement, where you'd have 20 demonstrators surrounded by about 100 cops.
Don't trust Jew ISIL.
Obama - Friend or foe of the US ?
"That key is Russian national interest."
I doubt that it's in Russian national interest that Russian elite:
1.) sell out Russian land to China (after those 3 generation that territory will be de facto rules by Chinese)
2.) steal away Russian tax payers money with corrupt government deals: again & again and spend that on luxury life style: again and again and again (while people in Russia suffer drastic decline and fight in line for free potato and apple).
3.) attacks opposition so they are not able to take part in normal democratic elections
4.) censored internet
5.) decreases human rights in Russia and brainwashes and manipulates with Russians using controlled main stream media
List goes on and on. So I doubt Russian elite is doing anything in nation interests. Rather their own interest and nothing more.
stop smoking weed before you post. thank you
Are you able to provide any counterargument backed by evidence that would prove any of my named sources being wrong at point I'm making? Or you just a Russian troll doing your job?
Oh look! The Latvian troll is back.
Hey newsoutlet , when are you going to make a new blacklist?
the Latvian troll is outnumbered by the ROOOOSKIE TROLLS
"decreases human rights in Russia and brainwashes and manipulates with Russians using controlled main stream media"
no, human rights in Russia actually improved a lot as compared to Russia under Yeltsin, where there were almost no human rights and Russians were dying of hunger or freezing.
as for the media in Russia, if you checked out the facts, you would know that a great majority of media in Russia are actually controlled by the West, they support anglo-zionist ideas and are extremely anti-Putin. There are only very few state-controlled media in Russia. Besides, any Russian can also watch BBC and CNN, which are quite freely broadcasting in Russia.
This issue of freedom of speech in Russia always gets me. Why do so many Westeners believe their own propaganda without checking out the facts? But, I have to admit, I was also stunned, when I first visited Russia. I could not comprehend, why so many pro-Western (and anti-Putin) media are allowed to work in Russia. Well, probably because Putin in reality is no dictator and does not want to become one??? Probably, because he trusts the wisdom of his people and allows them to make their own decisions?
Decent article, but, as usual, suffering from conventional thinking and a fundamentally-textbookish underlying assumption. The people who rule the USA are not serving the interests of the American people, nor even the interests of the American Empire. They have their own agenda, which could even include the downfall of America and its replacement by another puppet regime. Yes, to risk nuclear war over Syria, to arrogantly assume that they have a right to say that Assad must go because they want a pipeline or because the fascist government of Israel wants to fragment and weaken each and every Arab state, is not only bad strategy--it is treason.
But that is not the question for them. For them, there is only one question: Does toppling Assad, or bailing in and out banks, or killing their own collaborators in Maidan, enrich and empower them even more, while enslaving us, their enemies?
So here is a prediction of my own, far nearer the mark than Buchanan's: Our Invisible Government--and their puppets in DC--will never collaborate with the Russians in Syria. They will push the Russians to the limit. The Russians must by now draw a line in the sand, to protect vital national interests. If our rulers think they can personally survive and thrive after a nuclear war, then nuclear war we shall have. If they think they cannot thrive after a nuclear war, then they will back off for now and wait for the day they can prevail.
Obama is interested in seeing the US, not ISIS, degraded and defeated. His interest in ISIS is just in however it can contribute to his main aim.
What is his main aim? Never working again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTBRjf17FAs
Published on Dec 8, 2014A senior aide to Russian President Vladimir Putin has accused Israel's Mossad of training Islamic State (aka ISIS) terrorists operating in Iraq and Syria, Iran's Press TV reports.
Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/New...
Oh yes
and Russia has never trained terrorists!
very ignorant assumption
Why would he never work again? He does not work in the USA, he can say what he wants:-) Besides, Putin himself have made some interesting remarks in the recent years, like for example that: "85% of the first government of the Soviet Union were Jews" in his speech to Jews, while opening a Jewish museum. It made quite a stir, because these were things that had been a taboo in Russia until that moment.
Putin's exact daring words: "I thought about something just now: The decision to nationalize this library was made by the first Soviet government, whose composition was 85 percent Jewish. The politicians on the predominantly Jewish Soviet government were guided by false ideological considerations and supported the arrest and repression of Jews, Russian Orthodox Christians, Muslims and members of other faiths. Thankfully, those ideological goggles and faulty ideological perceptions collapsed. And today, we are essentially returning these books to the Jewish community with a happy smile.”
Bath House only wants a Gay Armed Forces so he can get BJs when on base.
It is we Americans who are the mystery inside an enigma now.
What mystery.
ISIS is a creation of the USA and Israel.
Al Baghdadi is their puppet.
Israel wants Assad out and Syria weakened and broken.
The Gulf states want to control Europe's gas and consequently hold the energy sword above the EU's head.
What mystery are you talking about?
Israel runs the USA and the USA jumps like an obedient poodle.
From all of the information which I have gathered, I would venture to say there are 2 groups calling themselves ISIS and one is a psyop, logistically in place to assess the situation but because they are masked undercover agents, it's not clear to the other ISIS, Israeli-funded bandits sent in to wreck havoc to free the land of residents and destabilize their government. I believe that we shall know soon if this is correct. The undercover ISIS are being funded by the good Americans and may consist of ex military members.
The only hidden riddle inside this mystery has one dirty name that unravels the Gordian knot : GHAWAR OIL.
And the enigma is the ongoing US neo-con/ Wahhabi Saud alliance initiated by "Dear Henry", reinforced by GWB; as for the mystery its the CIA/Sunni plays to destroy Syrac and its people back to the Stone ages; just like the previous US neo-con riddle of Al Qaeda creation in Taliban land of Afghan.
Its happening before our eyes and all Western countries are party to it since 9/11 Saudi led infliction justified burning up the world in "war on terror", as the enigmatic excuse for raping the oil nations of ME who didn't play ball with Uncle Sam's imperial dictat.
Putin, who is no democrat, is not party to this criminal scam although he is party to others which PALE in comparison to Pax Americana's world rampage since the CIA became FRONT PAGE in 1953 (Mossadegh's Iran).
Why the US did not change tack after fall of Berlin Wall and revert to world democracy that respects the aspirations of Emerging Nations is the true mystery to which there is only one answer : American Hubris!
Brother Nathaneal - ISIS is Greater Israel's Scheme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGRET8c7xNw
re Putin - Friend or Foe...?
Both.
Friend of the righteous.
Foe of the Zio NeoCON SCUMMM*
(SCUMMM* - Satanic Cabal Underwriting Mass-Murder & Mayhem)
Your argument is incomplete because you forget to mention lizard people. That is Zion Neocon Bankester Satanic Cabal Lizard people. ;)
When General Wesley Clark exxposed the US agenda to get rid of Gaddaffi after Saddam Hussein and then get rid of Assad the inconvenient truth about Syria popped out. The US government is the enemy and this means Putin is not.
CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS???
If the Qatari pipeline is really the underlying reason for this proxy war, then why won't the Gulf states bypass Syria?
There's TWO other options:
1. GULF - Saudi Arabia - Iraq - Turkey - Bulgaria - EUROPE
2. GULF - Saudi Arabia - Egypt - Greece(by sea) - EUROPE
I'm not saying that TPTB would let Assad go anyways, but they certainly can get their pipeline through other means. Also what about the fact that Qatar now does LNG(liquified nat gas) which can be shipped by sea to Europe. Im not aware of the exact quantities which can go through ship vs pipeline, but sounds to me like it's not just the pipeline in play! I think it's just general proxy war against Russia's last real ally and only real port in the Meditteranean. Thoughts?
Gas pipelines are a secondary priority to MIC spending.
Stif, I agree completely. The pipeline issue is real but scondary, and those claiming that's what Middle East politics are about are engaging in reductionism, like those who say it's all about peak oil, it's all about the Jews or it's all about war profits.
Ultimately I too would reduce it to one central issue: the power and profits of the AngloAmerican Empire ant its billionaire owners, facing a profound financial and economic crisis compounded by internal rot, and the imperative to expand and take total control or die, in a world where the main remaining bit of space into which they can expand (and perhaps gain another few good years) is publicly owned property.
The billionaire class's search for public property to sieze and digest shows up everywhere, from fights over mineral rights in Yellostone Park and privatizing the public schools to onership of municipal waterworks, but by far the largest chunks of public property - and the largest concentration of state power not fully controlled by the Masters of the Universe - still lie in the Former Soviet Union, Iran and China.
Fifty years ago, Yugolsavia, Albania, most of Eastern Europe, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Egypt, South Yemen and Algeria also belonged to the block of public-property-rich nations not controlled - or not fully controlled - by the Empire. The people of some of these states or former states are still able to put up some resistance, but among all of those, the only real holdout where the resistance to the Empire still holds state power is Syria.
Most of these were multi-ethnic, multi-cultural states. The key tools of the Empire for rendering and subduing them have been military threats, corruption, pseudo-revolutions motivated by Hollywood propaganda, but most crucially ethnic and nationalist conflicts - sometimes ancient fault lines revived, sometimes (as with the Russian/Ukrainian conflict) purely fabricated.
Ironically, the first big losers in the Empire's war of conquest - roughly between 1949 and 1980 - were the many ancient communities of Jews who had been living peacefully throughout the Moslem world for 1000 years. Now it is the turn of the many ancient communities of Christians to be sacrificed on the Empire's alter.
The Empire and its apologists may weep crocodile tears, but there is no room for sentiment in their battle to expand into the Earth's last remaining spaces, digest its remaining resources and crush all remaining resistance. As most ZH readers understand, in the end the Empire will die anyway. The ultimate issue is this: will it take the rest of us with it into oblivion? Our survival - and the human enterprise - will be reborn not from its ashes, but from our resistance. That rebirth is a process, one which is ongoing now, even as we seem to be losing ground.
I don't know what part the governments of Russia and China will play in the years ahead, but so far, corrupt as they may be, they seem to be driven by their circumstances to stand on the side of humanity. I was appalled when they let Libya go, but am certainly grateful that they are standing by Syria.
WhyWait, thanks for your reply! I'm glad that someone else agrees that the imporatnce of the pipeline has been over-emphasized. There's definitely a larger geopolitcal force at work as you've described in a larger historical context.
the only foe for the usa was and is its own elected president
Putin, the man with an intelligent, measured response - something that is totally foreign to the US mental midgets and clueless clowns....
Who exactly are these "Americans" you speak of?
I used to be in the Putin cheer squad too- he's certainly a lot more palatable than the weak, effeminate, muslim bathhouse barry or inbred, retarded hick Dubya. But yet it is evident that Putin is in the NWO camp with the rest of them- he regularly meets with his BFF/ handler Kissinger, and just look at the terrible false flag FSB apartment bombings that helped vault him to power. And as Russians have told me, he's radically changed Russian society in the last few years with neo-liberal-style new laws- although at least he won't accept the rainbow flag being raised over the Kremlin.
Now it seems that TPTB want to take America and Europe down a few pegs, and the rest of the world is cheering about it giving America's horrible imperialism and hypocrisy over the last couple of decades, but it's still all part of the script. The bush-beating of welfare-seeking jihadi's into Europe is almost complete. and Putin's making a monkey out of Obama on the world stage, even as Russia's (and China's) own economy is driven to the wall. A Fed rate rise to destroy the US economy should help complete the picture, and we will all be ready for the Zio dream where Israel is the only Super-power and the other nations of the world are fragmented, easily manageable substates, with the UN as world government.
Great post until the last sentence
Israel will not be Superpower.
The world will hate Israel and all nations will come against it.
Thanks for helping with that.
Which means you really don't have a clue who the real enemy is.
Maybe, it wouldn't be the first time the elites have dumped their kin as misdirection. But why then do most of the worlds oligarchs hold Israeli passports?
Buchanan must have read my post yesterday. Russia is in Syria to save it's last bastion in the Mid east.
In the case of the US, its most dangerous enemy is within its own borders and it has been that way since 1913. 102 years of deadly toxicity eating away at its constitution, its morals, its integrity, its truthfulness, its credibility, its common sense and on and on. It is a lying international gangster state now, with blood of millions of its murdered and maimed victims from Dresden to Hiroshima and all points in between. It is peopled by a puny race of ignorant, propagandized "it doesn't affect me" types who year after year applaud and crack wise at the spectacle of having all their rights eviscerated. ITheir main desire is for moar entertainment and moar political soap opera to giggle at.
The Enemy is not Terrorists anymore, it's countries dumping US Dollars in favour of anything else but.
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It's fun to see the Russians roll out their hardware .... impressive stuff .... but, have you looked at a map of Syria .... Assad is in deep doo doo .... I love to see Islamists killed .... by each other or by others .... but, Putins timing smacks of desperation !
I agree with Putin seeing the desperation of Assad's position - which is why he is sending help. But in terms of deep do-do, the roles can quickly be reversed. It only takes a couple helicopter gunships to clear large swathes of desert. The key thing to watch for is whether Assad actually does more than throw missiles at ISIS/rebels. If he starts to re-take oilfields, airfields, and towns then you know the Russians are serious.
I am pretty sure he is looking for a big foot hold.
I would like to see Assad stay for the sake of various ethnic groups that would be wiped out if he leaves.
But Assad has also played both sides
He has assisted Iran for many years in hosting a safe place for terrorists to hang out.
So what goes around comes around
Putin, Bibi and all the parties are working out the details of the Post Assad "Lebanonization" of the Syrian corridor .... my Joos benefit from the chaos and butchery .... it show cases Israel as an island of decency .... in a sea of socialist Islamic sewer water !
Zionists: "We must have Lebensraum."
I really enjoy listening to Kerry and the rest of the stooges calling for a quick end to the Civil War in Syria. Of course - the 'end' in their minds has to be that Assad loses...
Well, I went to work in Amaan today, APCs with M60s and special troops with M16s are all over the workplace. These guys in the APCs have on full armor.
Hmmm, is something up?
This whole damn area is a powder keg.
Hopefully, Vlad will do what the Amerikaners don't do, and that's chop off Daesh heads for a change. If this escalates, the Russians will rip thru these fuckers like shit thru a goose.
unfortunately, it seems Jordan is next on the agenda
Jordan has been a pretty decent country for the most part
Damn fundamentalist Islam taking over with the backing of the corrupt elite.
Which means we are all on the hit list
When are the American people going to stop sleep walking through life? We ought to be thanking God Putin is leading Russia. He is so much wiser and strategic in his views than our bunch in DC. Israel, through its American think tank, PNAC, led us into the Middle East. Anyone who doesn't understand this is clueless. We must purge our government of the 5th column Israel Firsters. It is the only way we survive.
Russia Putin
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Bombs and guns
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Time baby
In making ISIS, not Assad, public enemy No. 1, Putin has it right. It is we Americans who are the mystery inside an enigma now.
ISIS is obviously a USA CIA and Israel Mossad creation. Take that proper perception and view information accordingly.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Putin is basically sayin' to the west - you've had your chance - and you've made a mess of things. Let Russia give it a try.
And the Neocons are scared to death because if anyone's gonna die in the Middle East - it's gonna be by our bombs and not Russia's!
I don't agree with intervention unless a nation has actually attacked you. But very few countries follow that principle of non-aggression so it's moot.
It is always and has always been about containing Russia. NO
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It is and has always been about placating the Israeli Lobby.
He forgot one thing in US government's pocket... ISIS false flag on western soil.