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US Readies Battle Plans For Baltic War With Russia: Report
One of the most interesting - or perhaps “worrisome” is the better word - things about Moscow’s move to increase its support for the Bashar al-Assad regime as it battles to wrest control of large swaths of territory in Syria from Islamic State and other anti-government forces, is that it comes as the conflict in Ukraine still simmers.
Even if, as Bloomberg suggested on Friday, The Kremlin is “leaning on the separatists to limit cease-fire violations and focus on turning their makeshift administration into a functioning government with the help of Moscow-trained bureaucrats,” the issue is far from resolved and if Transnistria is any guide, it may never be.
That of course means the tension between Russia and Europe isn’t likely to dissipate any time in the foreseeable future, a fact that makes Moscow’s overt military support of Assad in Syria seem like a rather risky maneuver. In short, it appears that no matter how one wishes to characterize Moscow’s actions (i.e. irrespective of who the “aggressor” is), the West’s Russophobia as it relates to Putin’s willingness to chance a direct military confrontation with NATO isn’t entirely unfounded and as we’ve been keen to point out over the last several days, what the Russians have done by reinforcing Assad at Latakia is effectively call America’s bluff.
Needless to say, NATO’s actions over the last six or so months have done nothing to de-escalate what amounts to the most intense staring contest between Russia and the West since the Cold War. War games and snap drills conducted along Russia’s border combined with the stationing of heavy weapons in Poland lend credence to the idea that at best, the US isn’t nearly as anxious to re-establish a constructive dialogue with Moscow as Washington would like the public to believe.
It’s against this backdrop that we present the following excerpts from Foreign Policy who reports that “for the first time since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the U.S. Department of Defense is reviewing and updating its contingency plans for armed conflict with Russia.” Notably, when the Army ran a series of war games to test NATO's preparedness, the results were nothing short of a disaster.
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Via Foreign Policy
The Pentagon generates contingency plans continuously, planning for every possible scenario — anything from armed confrontation with North Korea to zombie attacks. But those plans are also ranked and worked on according to priority and probability. After 1991, military plans to deal with Russian aggression fell off the Pentagon’s radar. They sat on the shelf, gathering dust as Russia became increasingly integrated into the West and came to be seen as a potential partner on a range of issues. Now, according to several current and former officials in the State and Defense departments, the Pentagon is dusting off those plans and re-evaluating them, updating them to reflect a new, post-Crimea-annexation geopolitical reality in which Russia is no longer a potential partner, but a potential threat.
“Russia’s invasion of eastern Ukraine made the U.S. dust off its contingency plans,” says Michèle Flournoy, a former undersecretary of defense for policy and co-founder of the Center for a New American Security. “They were pretty out of date.”
The new plans, according to the senior defense official, have two tracks. One focuses on what the United States can do as part of NATO if Russia attacks one of NATO’s member states; the other variant considers American action outside the NATO umbrella. Both versions of the updated contingency plans focus on Russian incursions into the Baltics, a scenario seen as the most likely front.
After Russia’s 2008 war with neighboring Georgia, NATO slightly modified its plans vis-à-vis Russia, according to Julie Smith, who until recently served as the vice president’s deputy national security advisor, but the Pentagon did not. In preparing the 2010 Quadrennial Defense Review, the Pentagon’s office for force planning — that is, long-term resource allocation based on the United States’ defense priorities — proposed to then-Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to include a scenario that would counter an aggressive Russia. Gates ruled it out. “Everyone’s judgment at the time was that Russia is pursuing objectives aligned with ours,” says David Ochmanek, who, as deputy assistant secretary of defense for force development, ran that office at the time. “Russia’s future looked to be increasingly integrated with the West.” Smith, who worked on European and NATO policy at the Pentagon at the time, told me, “If you asked the military five years ago, ‘Give us a flavor of what you’re thinking about,’ they would’ve said, ‘Terrorism, terrorism, terrorism — and China.’”
In June 2014, a month after he had left his force-planning job at the Pentagon, the Air Force asked Ochmanek for advice on Russia’s neighborhood ahead of Obama’s September visit to Tallinn, Estonia. At the same time, the Army had approached another of Ochmanek’s colleagues at Rand, and the two teamed up to run a thought exercise called a “table top,” a sort of war game between two teams: the red team (Russia) and the blue team (NATO). The scenario was similar to the one that played out in Crimea and eastern Ukraine: increasing Russian political pressure on Estonia and Latvia (two NATO countries that share borders with Russia and have sizable Russian-speaking minorities), followed by the appearance of provocateurs, demonstrations, and the seizure of government buildings. “Our question was: Would NATO be able to defend those countries?” Ochmanek recalls.
The results were dispiriting. Given the recent reductions in the defense budgets of NATO member countries and American pullback from the region, Ochmanek says the blue team was outnumbered 2-to-1 in terms of manpower, even if all the U.S. and NATO troops stationed in Europe were dispatched to the Baltics — including the 82nd Airborne, which is supposed to be ready to go on 24 hours’ notice and is based at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.
“We just don’t have those forces in Europe,” Ochmanek explains. Then there’s the fact that the Russians have the world’s best surface-to-air missiles and are not afraid to use heavy artillery.
After eight hours of gaming out various scenarios, the blue team went home depressed. “The conclusion,” Ochmanek says, “was that we are unable to defend the Baltics.”
Ochmanek has run the two-day table-top exercise eight times now, including at the Pentagon and at Ramstein Air Base, in Germany, with active-duty military officers. “We played it 16 different times with eight different teams,” Ochmanek says, “always with the same conclusion.”
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Incursion. Fuck this word
“Russia’s invasion of eastern Ukraine made the U.S. dust off its contingency plans,”
LMAO. Before or after the US-led coup to overthrow the government that the locals elected, with the intention of installing a US puppet government? Oh, and we won't even bring up Ukraine's gold that has since gone missing.
Fascism.
The @#$%ing invasion is happening in the south with millions of muslims for god's sake. Talk about taking the eyes off where the problem is. NATO should be putting its troops there.
i know. the paraanoia is palpable
cuckoos nest cuckoos nest
Hooray, another war!
Hope it's televised or at least on pay perveiw.
Why would Russia want to invade the Baltics or Poland? Anyone? Anyone?
The Ukies are begging for some payback from the Bear, which I think they'll eventually get. That aside, what good would sending in the Russian Army do when Putin could just use TBTB's playbook (e.g., "color revolutions") against them?
For example, if Putin can appear as a friend to the right wing in Polish politics (this immigration thing is a great opportunity) -- then he needn't run tanks through the country, just money to specific political organizations and seize control that way.
Estonian chicks are hot. I'll grant that. Are they not enough that it make invasion a plausible scenario? It isn't like Russian chicks are all that bad in their own right. A guy could also just get a visa and go knock a couple of boots too.
Wait...What? Most of the hot Estonian chicks are already whores in the rest of Europe? Fuck me. That changes everything. Who is the pentagon kidding? Without hot Estonian women there isn't any damn reason to go to Estonia in the first place.
The department of Defense has tucked away plans for every possible defense and invasion of everything so that it looks "prepared." I'm sure if you hunted through the file cabinets you could find plans for defending Antarctica from Lithuanian topless womens volleyballers. Russia does the same. It makes warrior feel good. Remember, the pentagon is full of preppers.
Tragically, there is also a plan to defend against an invasion from Mexico (despite the occasional half hearted PR denial)...
Estonian chicks have CCR5 delta32 mutations, now THAT's sexy.
If America thinks the next war with Russia will be fought in Europe (Eastern) they had better fu*king wake up.
How many subs are parked off the US coasts right now? War is going to get a whole lot more real for the average US citizen.
What the hell are they waiting for?
In the dim and distant past they planned to have war with the British Empire (Blue versus Red war plan). Makes them feel they are relevant when they are just another form of government employed welfare recipiant.
not to give putin any ideas, but hungarian chicks are hotter. just saying.
Who is the pentagon kidding?
The Pentagoon kids everybody......
Russia don't need to invade, they just sanction and cripple the economies,,game over without a shot fired.
actually, it's the western sanctions that are hurting baltic economies the most. estonian exports to russia fell 45% and russian based tourism declined 40%, latter thanks to the lost purchasing power of ruble compared to euro. both constitute 6% fall of overall exports and tourism, so it's not really having that big of an effect. but nevertheless, thanks a lot, USSA!
So, you are saying they may side with Russia without firing a shot??
I think that sort of sentiment is already brewing in Poland.
The pro EU internationalist contingent had the government now because the people wanted to have what Western Europe had.
Now enough of the people might decide that the price is too high.
Germany is still feeling guilty about WWII.
Poland does not have that issue.
The monkey on their back is 50 years of communism and over 200 years of being gone off the map as a country.
It created a bit of a inferiority complex and it is mixed in with the Iron will for independence. Kind of a weir combiation
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Poland lost around 100 top military/political/business leaders in the plane crash a few years back. If anyone has seen an accurate review of how that loss impacted Poland and the resulting change, if any, in its relations to foreign powers & unions, please post it.
Your language in you comment is clear enough why Baltic states believ they can not trust Russia to be have
Yeah ... that's you all over.
Given you don't seem to understand implications, and/or are terminally dishonest, which goes with your one-eyed extreme polarization, I'll provide a chronological recount of what's been going on in the Baltic since just March this year.
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Majority of Finns Support Swedish Military Alliance
By GERARD O’DWYER Mar. 26, 2014
HELSINKI — Nearly 54 percent of Finns would support a formal, treaty-centered, bilateral military alliance with Sweden, according to an opinion poll conducted March 17-20 ... Russia’s defense strengthening in the High North, combined with a more aggressive and expansionist Kremlin, has rekindled debate in Finland and Sweden over the sustainability of their separate positions on non-alignment and remaining outside NATO. ... Conceding that the activity of Russian forces had increased close to the borders of Finland and Norway, Sweden’s defense commander, Gen. Sverker Göransson, ruled out the immediate possibility of an attack by Russia on the NATO-aligned Baltic states. While the possibility of such an attack could not be fully ruled-out, against the backdrop of Russian aggression in the Ukraine, Göransson pointed to what he called the “huge differences” between the Baltic NATO states and Ukraine. “Although Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia have land borders with Russia, they are so integrated with NATO and the European Union that Russia’s leaders will, in the short term, not dare attack,” said Göransson. Sweden and Finland have responded to increased activity by Russian forces along the eastern border and in the Baltic Sea by increasing radar surveillance and deploying more aircraft to monitor force movements. Finland is particularly keen to track Russian military exercises on the Karelian Isthmus. The Finnish Air Force has moved more F-18 Hornets to air bases along the border, while radar stations are also on high alert.
http://archive.defensenews.com/article/M5/20140326/DEFREG01/303260045/Ma...
NATO Chief: Russia's Nuclear Threats 'Deeply Troubling'
Agence France-Presse May 27, 2015
Russia's provocative rhetoric and its dramatic expansion of flights by nuclear bombers are deeply troubling and dangerous, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said Wednesday. Russia's plans to deploy nuclear-capable missiles in Kaliningrad — near Poland's border — and its threat to move nuclear forces in Crimea would "fundamentally change the balance of security in Europe," Stoltenberg warned, in speech during a visit to Washington. In blunt language, the NATO chief delivered a scathing critique of Russia's behavior over the past year — including Moscow's armed intervention in Ukraine — and vowed the transatlantic alliance would redouble its commitment to "collective defense." "Russia's recent use of nuclear rhetoric, exercises and operations are deeply troubling," he told an audience at the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank. Russian President Vladimir Putin's "admission that he considered putting Russia's nuclear forces on alert while Russia was annexing Crimea is but one example," the former Norwegian prime minister said.' Stoltenberg also criticized Russia for staging large snap military exercises, which he said was a violation of international agreements requiring governments to share information about planned drills in advance and to invite observers. One short-notice exercise was used to move Russian forces to annex Crimea in February 2014 and others were employed to support separatists in eastern Ukraine and to stage a military build-up on Ukraine's border. Russia is conducting yet another snap exercise near Ukraine this week that involves 250 aircraft and 700 pieces of heavy equipment, he said. Dating back to Russia's intervention in Georgia in 2008, Moscow has sought to settle disputes through military force or the threat of military force, he said. Russia has also started deploying its most modern weapons systems near the borders of NATO members in Eastern Europe, he said. Citing Russia's actions in Ukraine and elsewhere, Stoltenberg said Moscow "is asserting its military power, stirring up aggressive nationalism, claiming the right to impose its will on its neighbors and grabbing land." ... Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia plan to make a formal request to NATO to deploy a force of several thousand troops in their countries as a counter-weight to Russia.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/europe/2015/05/27...
Baltics Mull Joint Air Defense Against Russia
Agence France-Presse May 28, 2015
PANEVEZYS, Lithuania — Defense ministers for the three Baltic states said Thursday they are mulling a joint air defense system in response to security concerns over Russia's activity in the region. The ministers of NATO-members Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania met in the northern Lithuanian city of Panevezys along with their Ukrainian counterpart at a time when their relations with Russia are at a post-Soviet low over the Ukraine crisis. "We plan to analyze the possibility of developing a medium-range air defense system to strengthen our defense capabilities," Lithuanian Defence Minister Juozas Olekas told reporters. "External threats lead us to cooperate more," he said, referring to neighbor and Soviet-era master Russia, which has spooked the region with its intervention in Ukraine. NATO has been guarding the skies over the three small Baltic states since 2004, when they joined the defense alliance but lacked the air power to monitor their own airspace. Under Moscow's thumb until 1991, the Baltic trio has been on high alert since Russia annexed the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine last year. "The situation remains complicated and absolutely unpredictable," Ukrainian Defence Minister Stepan Poltorak told reporters.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2015/05/28/baltics-mull-joint-a...
PARIS: Russian military revamps modernisation plans
By: Stephen Trimble in Moscow Jun 16, 2015.
" ... That sweeping document laid out plans to buy as many as 441 fighters, 250 airlifts, more than 1,100 helicopters and 80 jet trainers, as well as to modernise the air force’s jet-powered bombers, heavy lift transports and the MiG-31. The scope and breadth of Russia’s shopping list raised questions about the defence industry’s ability to support it, but Slyusar says the industry is keeping up with the government’s requirements so far, even as military aircraft deliveries ramp up to near Cold War levels at above 100 units a year. “We don’t see a problem with these numbers. When the programme will be updated and finalised, we are ready to turn out the necessary numbers of 120-130 aircraft per year,” Slyusar says.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-russian-military-revamp...
Swedish Party's U-turn Reignites NATO Membership Question
By Gerard O'Dwyer September 13, 2015
Russia is staunchly opposed to Finland or Sweden joining NATO. In June, Viktor Tatarintsev, Russia's ambassador to Sweden, warned that both countries could become the subject of Russian "countermeasures" if they abandoned their non-aligned status. "Sweden’s security is best built in cooperation with others," Bäckström said. "The NATO issue is more in the limelight this year because the security climate has changed. ... It is natural for Sweden to want to join the alliance." The pivotal shift in the Center’s view of NATO is driven by a more militaristic and threatening Russia. The Kremlin’s intervention in Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea has changed the security landscape for all Nordic and Baltic governments in the region. "We cannot count on NATO to come to our rescue in the event of a military conflict," the joint position statement reads. "If Sweden falls victim to a military attack, we are today directly dependent on outside support. We lack the ability to defend ourselves for an extended period." Sweden lacks the ability to defend itself for a long period of time, Lööf said. "At the same time, NATO is very clear about the fact that Sweden cannot rely on military support if we are not a full member of the organization. We can no longer close our eyes to that," said the Center leader. "Sweden is a relatively small country with a strategically important location in the Baltic Sea region. It is our strategic assessment that we cannot remain neutral and alone. We need to cooperate with others to get the best out of our defense capabilities, and we need to do that as part of NATO," said Ebba Busch Thor, the Christian Democrat’s leader. In August, the Swedish government said it was moving forward with plans to deepen defense cooperation with the United States. Defense Minister Peter Hultqvist said that having the US and Swedish flags fly side-by-side during joint exercises would "send a clear message to Russia" about Sweden’s resolve and intent.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/policy-budget/warfare/2015/09/1...
Lockheed secures contract to install JASSM on Poland’s F-16s
BY: James Drew Washington DC 14 September, 2015
Poland is the third international customer for the Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM) ... JASSM carries a penetrating, blast-fragmentation warhead and its stealthy, precision-guided missile body has a range of more than 200nm. A newer version, JASSM-ER, more than doubles that range. Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control’s director of strike systems Alan Jackson said in an interview that Poland’s Ministry of Defence has expressed interest in JASSM-ER, although no international sales of the newer version have been approved yet.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-secures-contract-to-...
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I could provide many more statements from the Baltic region and States on their views of Russia's stepped-up aggressive posture, and deliberately provocative threatening regular large unannounced exercises, with rapidly developing aircraft and naval activity around their borders, as the Russians simulate large-scale heavy attacks on Baltic States.
The Baltic states are all responding after the fact to large-scale Russian aggressive and threatening activities, not the other way around.
If Moscow didn't want this ramping strategic blow-back Putin should have thought about it a long time ago, as it won't stop now via him pretending to play innocent - again. That routine has gotten old fast and is 100% counterproductive when used now. Everyone simply takes it as implicit evidence of dishonesty and malevolent military intent so are now only interested in defense and in pointing weapons at Russia's head. As far as the Baltic States are concerned they are quite convinced Russia wants confrontation and a new Cold War. They simply don't believe his recent high-minded noises about not wanting that. No one in the Baltic Sea area is interested in what Moscow claims or states any longer.
The level of trust and confidence is now effectively non-existent.
That's my red fucktard,,what was it about not expanding NATO ? That's where it all started, not to mention the Jew shit trying to rape Russia again.
Quick ... distract ... blame someone else.
Totally predictable.
Your comments, without mention of the orignal promise, are also predictable. Not that it matters, in the event of things going pearshaped the Baltics are nought but a memory.
Perhaps you can draft a long and comprehensive list of Moscow-apologist's points to prefix to every comment, that would really help to avoid anything that you might ever object to, or didn't quite suit your pernickety urges for perfection in knee-jerk apologetics?
Actually, I think I'm going to leave that to you altogether. ;-)
The depth and amount of highlighted sections in your lengthy posts reveals your committment to your employer, whomsoever that may be. Folks with other concerns (read: a life) can hardly take the time to respond with such lengthy posts.
So are you a sort of heglian Tyler, a click bait salesman? Who supports you?
Talk shit all you want, my comments have details and facts and substance, which I note people like you do your best to distract from, and play the messenger, while avoiding the inconvenient content.
Now go put some trousers on.
Yes. Your posts do have details, facts and substance. However, 'people like me' would still like to know who pays for your upkeep.
It's an entirely voluntary service provided by me to fuck-up the nefarious liars and bullshit artists, who seek to do humanity harm, via endless deceit and undermining.
But you're right, they really should be paying me for it, the cheap bastards. :D
Well yeah, they do, but all that substance is lost when you fail to address the reason for that "Russian Aggression" [LoL] . Try to post a balanced view of the topic including the original, and now BROKEN PROMISE to NOT EXPAND NATO. What you post above [Lots of shit] is the natural reaction to an expanding NATO. Don't like it ? Tough !
Now go change your pad :)
You should sue them for breach of promise.
Substance is never lost mate, why should I talk about the points you wish to trumpet, when you can do it perfectly well yourself? Are you incapable and need me to do it for you.
Please cite the details of this 'promise', I'd like to see the original documents please.
For your information, the Soviet Union totally utterly collapsed, and lost all organizational capacity and effect, and dissolved itself. It was hardly in any position to negotiate the outcomes of its ending state. No one believed in it or wanted it any more, everyone was just thrilled to see it go, including all Baltic Sea States and also most Russians, who just wanted to be able to eat properly again.
Show us the original sources for this claim, so everyone knows and can gauge if there is any truth to the claim, of a distinct promise to not expand NATO.
What have you got?
Because NATO says you are making false, baseless claims.
Part 1: NATO 'Never Promised' Not to Expand Eastward - Spiegel Online - November 26, 2009
Part 2: Calming Russian Fears
Russia does not rule out future NATO membership - By Valentina Pop - 1. Apr 2009
So, no strange unaccountable allergy to NATO expansion, in 2009, coming from Moscow's political center.
You should try the facts and substance of things, the Russian ultra-nationalist imaginary 'realities' don't actually work or stand up. It's just twaddle, apologetics and propaganda based on nothing but lies and endless distortion, and attempts to re-write history, to pretend that some great terrible wrong has been committed, and then to use that lie as an excuse to do actual terrible wrongs. Then you want to also pretend to wonder why everyone is suddenly pointing a gun at Russia's head and cocking it? Well get used to it, no one trusts Russia at all, and for very good reason.
Have a nice day. ;-)
One long rambling fairy story full of paranioa. The Russians planned to upgrade their military years ago and also end conscription (the plans to do this are online). The upgrade of assets would not be on a one for one basis (more capable assets for less capable). Much of the equipment they are replacing is old. The move to 'professionalise' the Russian military would cut the numbers of troops. Hardly the moves of a country planning to invade Europe. They even went out of their way to update their military doctrine and make it more defensive. Hope the US took note.
The duplicity and perfidiousness US is worrying but the Russian military planners must be laughing at the stupidity.
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Even if what you are saying is true, by virtue of American foreign policy the last 70 years and counting and the way it has violated just about every international treaty obligation it said it committed to in writing including "Geneva" with that ever so minor alteration after 9/11 called "enemy combatant status" that still holds several dozen folks languishing in that shit hole Guantanamo for crimes they never committed or were proven by their accuser...
Stalin knew that the West was less than honorable at Yalta which is why he surrounded himself with a "buffer" of Eastern border countries. The West couldn't be trusted than so why would the Russians trust them any more now?
The Russians sorta don't need a handshake and a verbal queue from the Zionist state anymore with law breakers like that now -do they?
Why bother? The Russians will continue to allow the U.S. to destory it's own capital markets as it drowns in "QE" all the while waving it's fist and talking ever so loudly of what it will do to them... if they don't capitulate!
Blah Blah Blah... Blah Blah Blah Blah... ad nauseam!
if the country is at war with syrie and russk and nkorea and iranq and stateless entities, that still leaves out australia and europe and southamerica
hugs,
pnac
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
>> The @#$%ing invasion is happening in the south <<
No, no! Don't you see? The mortal threat to the USA is if Estonia falls to the Russians.
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How many Americans could find Estonia on a map? Not many I would suggest.
Upper Michigan?
Foreign Policy is just another outlet for a slightly modified version of the official Washington narrative.
Precisely. Reading the article above, my persistent thought is that the Americans don't seem to realize that the most dangerous enemy is their own bullshit. They are so full of shit and lies that they don't know what it looks like anymore. They're so determined to look outside of themselves for an enemy, and/or invent one, they don't recognize the pathology infiltrating their own top brass and banking complex. PSYCHOPATHS, bitchez.
Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes
That is an interesting book to read...shows how a small percentage mentality deranged (psychopaths, narcissists, sociopaths) migrate to positions of power in all types of organisations....greedy bankers with no empathy, priests that exploit children, military types with Cesar and Napoleon complexes (without the talent)....also the odd wanker with control problems we have to put up with at work.
Logge in just to upvote u, he lost me at the same spot!
Wanted to share this post by an ex American military guy living in Germany
There are ALOT of disgruntled Germans who really just do not want the added complication of more refugees and all the problems they bring with them, here again.
This isn't the first wave. This has happened here several times since the Wall came down.
Also, many Germans are highly upset that their tax-Euros are now going to aid a people that have consistantly called for their deaths. This at a time when there are strikes going on and people that could really have used those Euros more.
The perception is out there that all Germans are wealthy and can easily handle the extra load.
Not.
Roughly 20% of the population is either on the dole (they call it Harz IV here) or because of their pride work at jobs that barely pay the bills.
I don't like muslims and I don't like arabs. I fought them before, for my country, and saw first hand what their culture calls for. Instead of welcoming them into the heart of Europe we should be walling the B strds in where they come from. They have been killing each other for more than five thousand years so this 'human catastrophy' is nothing new.
To all the governments in Europe and the US: How about asking the PEOPLE, the CITIZENS who live in your respective countries, what they would like!
At least half of German workers are barely living pay check to pay check to rent some shitty apartment for 50% of their monthly net income (their entire lives, because 55% of Germans never buy property as they cannot afford it). The invaders are being given more than double Harz IV benefits. Furthermore, I just saw a homeless white guy digging through our garbage bins here in Germany taking a bunch of old stuff I threw away. Guess he's too white and not Muslim enough to get a free house, free car, free public transport, free medical care, etc. from the German government or EU. Didn't speak to him and he's probably not German but still, there are white homeless Europeans that need help and all the money is being thrown at these invaders to give them a life style they could NEVER have achieved on their own merit anywhere on the planet.
This boys been paying attention.
Remember NATO is not an army, but the illusion of an army - with member as related to North Atlantic as Japan or Turkey
NATO is a bunch of war planners in desperate search for a war.
Seems everywhere I go these days and the people I talk to, to a man... and woman, whether barbers, auto mechanics or accountants, are all calling for war with Russia in the Balkans. "Balkans! Balkans! Balkans!," is all I hear. I think what set them off is the idea of Russia interfering with the natural influence that should prevail adjacent to our NATO military bases. Russia is aching for a fight and the people not only feel it, but are eager to be the first to send their sons into the fray. Our country can't understand why Russia hasn't already rolled back its borders -- out of respect -- but again they're spoiling for fight. And when Americans finally figure out what are the Balkans, and where they're located, that they taste like chicken, I think it will fuel their anger and calls for justice.
You must live in NJ. Everyone I talk to is more concerned about jobs, taxes and how they are going to make next months rent money. The wealthier ones speak about the NFL and their next trip to Florida. Not one person has mentioned anything about foreign affairs other than a few asides about getting the hell out of the ME.
Oh, midwest here.
/s
It was pretty obvious to me that was sarcasm.
Sorry, Iggy, I'm a little thick today. Prepping the outside for winter and all. Usually don't miss a good sarc.
I think at the last few lines were a dead giveaway.
Balkans taste like chicken???
Trump is extremely popular where I live since he is the ONLY one talking about jobs, infrastructure, etc ... while Jeb only talks about moar war in the ME, Cruz is hung up on abortions and Rubio is obsessed with the Cuban thingy. Fiorino is obviously a huuuuuuuuuuuuge war hawk by her last debate performance. She has her eyes on the Nobel Peace Prize. She must be really be fun to live with, whomever the lucky submissive, co-dependent cowering guy [or gal] is.
My barber watches CNN all day and goes off about ISIS like he knows what the fuck he is talking about. There is no debate with a brainwashed retrobate.
MDB's got nothing on that, nothin' !
Do your friends know the difference between the "Balkans" and the "Baltics"?
Like they both like start with b WTF
RIP 'Murica
http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-refugee-family-meets-rude-welcome-german-ho...
Read the above story then then gag with me.......Every time I read one of these bleeding heart missives I want to puke. The writing above is filled with derogatory spin. Drunken Skinhead stumbled, Nazis, towering fences topped with barbed wire. Has only 3 mosques and 500 Syrians, cold left over French fries, it's a night5mare! Well they had their smartphone! They are being fed, they are not being shot at, raped or molested. They are being sheltered, have a place to worship and people of the same persuasion about them. Tell me, how many mosques do 500 people require? Instead of being thankful they are whining that they are not being offered pots of gold and lambs to slaughter. I am sick of these ingrates. This flood of humanity pouring into Europe, throwing rocks , bricks and anything else they can get their hands on at police because they can't simply go where-ever they wish, while hurling insults at their host country. These savages should fall on their knees and thank the heavens they are safe. The people that write this drivel should be sent to Syria for a little perspective, then they may not find the sea so choppy!
The German government has opened the Patrick Henry Village former US Army base in Heidelberg, Germany as a refugee center. Buildings in which up to 7,000 us military families just three years ago, the housing was considered to be sub-standard for 5,000 refugees, so a few million € were pumped in to make them better that the USA felt was necessary for its own military families. First the refugees were protesting in the streets of the camp that they should not have to clean their own rooms or toilets, so the government now has a cleaning contract for their maid service!!! Over the past few weeks they have been rioting and fighting with each other, requiring massive police supervision to prevent total chaos from breaking out. The Serbians refuse to live next door to the Syrians. The Sunni Syrians refuse to live next door to the Alawite Syrians. They ALL demand goods and service as though they were VIP visitors rather than war refugees receiving a level of largess that they would never even dream of offering someone in their own county. They are receiving the best medical care in the world. Local town people are extending invitations to their private homes to try to make them feel welcome. Are they satisfied? No. Their "European Dream" is to move into a mansion surrounded by servants and drive a Mercedes. Where did "Reem" get her smartphone with the German telekom service so that she could use the GPS? It was given to her!!!!!! So most of the guards or staff do not speak either English or Arabic. Arabic is not a common language in Germany. How did they expect that people would quickly master that language to make her life easier? They did not speak much English either...because the East was under Russian domination for long enough that most people's second language is Russian. Perhaps she would rather that her family were sent to Russia? Ooooo.....I know. I have an idea! How about they accept responsibility for their mistake and head south to one of their Arab neighbor countries where Arabic is spoken and ask them for asylum? I am sure that the Saudis would welcome them with open arms.
Oh, Chemitz, the town where a 31 year old Syrian "refugee" raped a 7 year old German girl this month.
https://mopo24.de/nachrichten/park-chemnitz-zentrum-missbrauch-siebenjae...
Yea, I'm sure Syrians are real popular there right now.
Cosmos, what can you expect from yahjoo nooos. I,ve only been getting it for the last few days and it was immediatly obvious what and who,s agenda they were pushing
And the Web Brigade goes wilde!
DIRST Hasbara ;) > https://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/a-guide-to-hasbara-trolls/
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so this is usa grand startegy for syria ? After failed results in Ukraine via coup now they want to fight for baltics ? Who is really threatening here to whom .. It's US . But my baltic scum sheeple like Latvian schmuck will never understand
Wish we could hear from someone who knows how to employ English...
Who ' we' ? You're a newbie just wait .
These posts are good for my ego. I didn't know I could read a foreign language.
this is the "hedging pidgeon english" dialect
The olde, "you haven't been commenting here long enough" garbage from the queer set.
DIRST Hasbara, fail much :D ?
Queerbait fail all the time loser. ;)
Fone On
Funny when american.funded outlets failed to sink their twisted facts and spinoff to sheeple they started caling others troll those who provide an alternative view. Empire of chaos schmucks defending their actions bu calling other trolls , nice. Dont worry american trolls roam on net for free http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6014826?ir=India
I think the Fed needs to make the announcements of whether we need to go to war or not based on the FOMC announcement every quarter in the future instead of the President or the DoD...
Make sense?...
There is more than one way to skin a cat.
Russia can’t have failed to notice that the West nearly destroyed itself in 2008 due to the weakness of its financial system.
Luckily for Russia, it was never put right.
Russia has probably noticed Western markets are teetering nervously and the FX markets are looking shaky.
Now is the time to strike and let the Western financial system do the rest.
(Already imagined By Jim Rickards in "The Death of Money" - well similar)
leaving vulnerabilities like that in place let you know that we are "led" by Orcs
nothing's better than a 'little' war to boost the US economy. why should only bankers reap the spoils of free money?
Imagine Russia defaulting on all its foreign debt - over $700 billion – on which Western sanctions have raised extra, punitive costs in terms of repayment
Glazyev, a brilliant economist, is a Russian nationalist – sanctioned personally by the US.
"Glazyev is arguably going no holds barred. He is in favor of barring Russian companies from using foreign currency (which makes sense); taxing the conversion of rubles to foreign currencies (same); banning foreign loans to Russian firms (depending if they are not in US dollars or euro); and – the smoking gun - requiring Russian companies that have Western loans to default."
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/weaponized-default-russias-ultimat...
That's like a modern-day Pearl Harbor with Russian businesses w/ Western loans as the kamikaze pilots.
Its in interesting idea. If they default to Western banks & institutional lenders while staying current and paying all the calls in Ruple demoninated debt, within Russia they would be a great credit risk -- meanwhile various central banks would have to be onloading billions in bad Russian debt onto its balance sheet to keep this system going.
All Russian assets in the West would be seized and the central bankers would simply print to make the bankers whole again. The pain would be on the taxpayers and dispersed among 1 billion people, that would be $700 each, not even noticeable.
Now if China joined in by dumping their remaining USTs and ordering their oligarchs to sell their US properties......well....could be more interestingl
Unless China were to dump them all at once, dumping them piecemeal simply gives the primary dealers an opportunity to step in, purchase them while the Fed fires QE4 up and prints another trillion or so while the primary dealers get to skim profits as middle men. Without China dumping, QE4 has to look very different than past QEs, else shadow banking implodes.
well, first they would have to take control of their own central bank. there's a reason why most of the loans are of foreign origin. their central bank is not working in their interests (don't be shocked, LOL). there's not a faster way to start a war than to get rid of a central bank. USSA will guarantee them that. so good luck with that.
Central Bankers suppressing Russian economyIt is an interesting idea, but the default will not be used. Putin does not want to cut economic ties with EU (which would satisfy the USA). Instead, Russia has in fact managed to pay-off much of its foreign debt even under punitive sanctions, with a collapsing oil price and a war at her doorstep in Ukraine (also a major trading partner of Russia's). Now Russia's debt is just over $500bln and continues to fall. So it is obvious that Putin's strategy is simply to get rid of the debt by paying it (and he is able to do it).
But some of the other Glazyev's ideas may become true, because Russia is really trying to "extricate itself" from Western institutions and will continue to do so. An interesting note: Glazyev is the one, who came up with the idea of the "gold weapon", i.e. that Russia, China, India and allies should hoard as much gold as possible, until the West has no more gold.
And Glazyev is also the same person, who came up with the plan of "undermining the economic strength of the US by crashing the dollar system."
"Glazyev's set of countermeasures specifically targets the core strength of the US war machine, i.e. the Fed's printing press. Putin's advisor proposed the creation of a "broad anti-dollar alliance" of countries willing and able to drop the dollar from their international trade. Members of the alliance would also refrain from keeping the currency reserves in dollar-denominated instruments. Glazyev advocates treating positions in dollar-denominated instruments like holdings of junk securities and believes that regulators should require full collateralization of such holdings. An anti-dollar coalition would be the first step for the creation of an anti-war coalition that can help stop the US' aggression."
Seriously?
The US has also wargamed an alien invasion from outer space.
Russia isn't stupid engough to attack US forces until Obama has completely turned them into an affirmative action farce like the rest of europe.
I figure the end will be when he cancels the next weapons's program to pay for dual uniforms for day to day trannie.
Gotta keep our priorities straight, or not straight as the case may be.
Putin is correct to have nothing but contempt for the average American voter. All he has to do is wait.
"The US has also wargamed an alien invasion from outer space."
Did we win?
No, but in the surrender terms, the General's got to keep their pensions and PX privileges.
And the citizens get anal probed?!?!?!?!?!?
No one seems to be able to grasp what is happening, Russia and China are fucking the US/EU over financially, no need for a war. Russia is riding out the storm until the Chinese gas comes on line estimated 2018, when that happens Putin can give the EU the middle finger. Russia China are at an advanced stage of negotiating a rail link system that will link Russia to the far east through Chinese ports and trade with the BRICS alliance doing trade with currency swap. Russia does not want to be reliant on trade with Europe anymore. we will most likely see Germany jump ship and join BRICS and that should be enough to issue the final rights to the EU.
Obama has unleashed an economic and media war against Russia and Putin::
Think about how the Obama administration sees the state of the world. It wants Tehran to come to heel over its nuclear programme. It wants Vladimir Putin to back off in eastern Ukraine. But after recent experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan, the White House has no desire to put American boots on the ground. Instead, with the help of its Saudi ally, Washington is trying to drive down the oil price by flooding an already weak market with crude. As the Russians and the Iranians are heavily dependent on oil exports, the assumption is that they will become easier to deal with.
John Kerry, the US secretary of state, allegedly struck a deal with King Abdullah in September under which the Saudis would sell crude at below the prevailing market price. That would help explain why the price has been falling at a time when, given the turmoil in Iraq and Syria caused by Islamic State, it would normally have been rising.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2014/nov/09/us-iran-r...
Putin will have to ride out this attack from Obama and the warmongering Neocons. Meanwhile the demonization of Putin by the free and fair press of the West continues unabated:
Since the beginning of the week, the three most influential mass circulation newsmagazines of the United States, Britain, and Germany—Time, The Economist, and Der Spiegel—have published cover stories that combine wild accusations against Vladimir Putin with demands for a showdown with Russia.
The most striking and obvious characteristic of these cover stories is that they are virtually identical. The CIA has scripted them all. The stories employ the same insults and the same fabrications. They denounce Putin’s “web of lies.” The Russian president is portrayed as a “depraved” mass murderer.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/pers-j30.html
Paul Craig Roberts explains:
Washington’s Path To War With Russia
March 28, 2015
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/03/28/washingtons-path-war-russia/
A Great story JustObserving, There is truth in there, is it all true? Possibly not, so just pick out the parts you need to confirm what you believe now! That is the road to personal happiness!
Belief is the key, if you beieve it you don't have to understand it; Belief can get you into Heaven and, I believe, let you win the Lottery, IF you can believe enough, there are a lot of people competing the Lottery, the competition is fierce, many really powerful believers are doing their thing on Lottery night, still don't dispair Remember, " Only God can make a Lottery Winner" why should it not be you?
Sparkey - sounds a little AnAnonymousey , no ? roadside cousins ?
tell me about it---i hold rosneft in an account willed to me. it's frozen. at least once a month i get a notice telling me it's down and i need to send money. of course i argue that if the accounts frozen then it oughtn't to be moving.
If Pootin is waiting for Obama to start a war he has a long wait.
I know, right? Just ask Qadafi, Assad, or Yankuyovich.
Are there any dictators left who demanded a return of their gold?
Merkle (well, DB anyway) and (was it Ecuador)
The fed cant raise rates, the economy is in recession/depression depending on your status, the sheep are gonna sheep........so the next thing is to goto war.....man I miss the good days, everyday now is just a robotic fucking nightmare....
Eurasia or Eastasia - decisions, decisions.....fuck it, lets do both.
Don't forget to duck and cover, forever.
Gona be a hoot with Caitlyn doing war bond drives, just like th 40s but with fake tits
NATO should be disbanded, it is no more than a tool of American foreign policy. Even the member states know it, that's why defence spending is falling.
The Baltics? Seriously? There is nothing there that Russia needs or wants. Eastern Ukraine is important to Russia. The Middle East is important for Russia. And the old Silk Road is important for Russia. The Arctic is VERY important for Russia. The Baltics? Not so much...
come on guys, use your brains. it's about what russia doesn't want. it's nato bases 600km from their capital.
Yea, it's just a few million poor white people that hate Russia. Soon to be millions of Muslims and blacks that hate all white people. Why would anyone want that?
Global Thermonuclear War? SELL GOLD NOW!!!!
Maybe the damn europeans can reinforce their own countries, deal with their own shit instead of Murica coming in and save the day? It's their fucking territory. If they dont want to become russians, they should prepare, otherwise... too fucking bad.
If they were footing the bill for the defense of their own damn lands, then maybe they woul;dn't be lazy, bloated welfare states drawing in all the world's slothful detritus.
Heh. And that is knowing Obama has betrayed all american allies. He has lied about everything from keeping you doctor to red lines in Syria. And european leader beileve he'll be there for them? Insanity.
He is the reason Islam is really, really sure god is on their side. What else would cause the West to suicide at this time?
I figure it is more that Western elites simply don't have a problem converting to a religion that is okay with slavery, rape, pillage and genocide.
"I figure it is more that Western elites simply don't have a problem converting to a religion that is okay with slavery, rape, pillage and genocide."
Yep, they're all jews and zionists. So you're right on bro!
Blah blah blah... why don't you just fuck off out of Europe see if anyone really cares? As if you ever footed the bill for anything and you talk about bloated! With your stupid fucking bloated deficits and trillions more in unfunded liabilities, everyone in the world pays for your sorry currency and your dirty bonds, except you of course, you stupid fuck you never paid for anything. I fart in your general direction! 50 million people on foodstamps is USA and you talk about "slothful detritus" and bloat. Keep taking your high fructose corn syrup my friend, you know, the stuff that nobody in the world has in their diet except fat bloated lazy Americans?
I can't hear you thru all that lisping.
It was fun to write.I bet you've never been to Europe either as well as never having paid to defend it.
I've been to Europe a few times. Not really my style. And I do pay to defend it. Ever hear of NATO?
" instead of Murica coming in and save the day? "
Cough! [far] cough!
Too much thinking causes headaches, I hope all you 'thinkers' outthere are aware of this, it is the genesis of your discomfort? Too much thinking, we pay Politicians to run things for us, do our thinking, so to speak, why not let them do it?
we pay Politicians to run things for us, do our thinking, so to speak, why not let them do it?
You end up dead?
"The Pentagon generates contingency plans continuously, planning for every possible scenario — anything from armed confrontation with North Korea to zombie attacks".
Waw. So that's why the Pentagon is so crappy at strategy. What you first want are realistic people, not a bunch of demented whackos who prepare for bloody zombie attacks, for chrissake.
Also, a Russian observator was not long ago speaking of US forces piling all sorts of obsolete military junk along the Russian borders, all MIC surpluses bought with US taxpayers (i.e, suckers) money.
It's official: the USA are turning into FunnyFarmistan.
more fodder to increase spending... besides USA is the real threat... glad the Red team is victorious over evil
Are the US Army raving mad? A child of ten could tell them what would happen in a conflict in the East.
(Lets assume no nukes are employed because thats all she wrote)
First the Russian would eat the Poles/Balts and the Germans alive in about three weeks. The Brits could get involved but would only provide meat for the grinder.
As for US forces they are now designed for brushfire wars, in a way similar to the Brits pre WW1. They would not be able to exert the force needed to constrain the Russians as the US airforce would be shot down.
Honestly what do people think other powerful states did once they saw Desert Storm 1. The smart states such as Russian devloped a way of dealing with the United States prime weapons, airpower and communications control.
Once US forces lose comms and air support they will lose huge numbers of troops, and I don't see pepole wanting to go on no Eastern front. The Russian would happily trade 2 for 1 in losses because at the end of the affair their troops would be sitting on the French borders.
All this is based on no nukes as I said before, what a fuckup
Lets leave it to Tacitus to put the words in Calgacus mouth to describe the Deep State and where it is leading us all.
These plunderers of the world, after exhausting the land by their devastations, are rifling the ocean: stimulated by avarice, if their enemy be rich; by ambition, if poor; unsatiated by the East and by the West: the only people who behold wealth and indigence with equal avidity. To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace.
Tacitus
The last and final war is fast approaching. It will be short, but terrible and the U.S. will lose, guaranteed. Right now divine Providence is still shielding America from utter destruction, but the papacy and apostate protestants are teaming up - the pope addressing Congress this week is most ominous - they are going to bring about the passage of laws that will directly conflict with God's law and make God's void on American soil. They will try to enforce the mark of the beast, and those who don't go along with the demand that Sunday be observed as national day of rest will be visited with civil penalties and finally it wll be decided that they are deserving of death. By the passage of the law, and the ensuant death decree, the United States will fill up her cup of iniquity, and the shield of divine Providence over America will be removed, and it will be one step to national ruin. That destruction is graphically protrayed in Revelation 18. National and worldwide ruin will be immediately followed by the Second Coming. Christ is returning soon. The signs are unmistakable and they are thickening around us.
What's that yer smokin???
Good luck on your suicidal mission.
who is going? not me, most kids these days wouldnt fight in a bullshit war.
That was the attitude a few years ago before 2008 happened and nuked the jobs market for the new grads.
Hence the mass migration of Muslims into Europe. White Europeans are so pussified they won't fight to defend themselves on the streets, let alone go off to fight a war. But these savages pouring into Europe are different. And in 10 or 20 years you'll have a nice draftable army of tens of millions of "Europeans" (Turks, Syrians, Africans) to go fight whoever you tell them to fight.
And in 10 or 20 years you'll have a nice draftable army of tens of millions of "Europeans" (Turks, Syrians, Africans) to go fight whoever you tell them to fight.
Really? Whoever?
And how would ten millions of muslims neutralize the Russian nuclear weapons aimed at the USA? Putin already said that Russia was preparing to use nuclear weapons 'if necessary' in the case of Crimea.
On Russia’s willingness to arm nuclear weapons if necessary, Mr Putin said: “We were ready to do this (to use nuclear weapons)... Crimea is our historical territory. Russian people live there. They were in danger. We cannot abandon them.”
So you can see that any direct attack on Russia (no many how many million soldiers you would send), could trigger the nuclear response - obviously aimed at those, who are sending those soldiers. So, no, this is not a good solution either.
When are we going to see the battle planes against the American people?
Meh, I'm not going to support this at all. I'm a citizen of the United States of America and its Republic, not the United Socialist States of America or the Democratic People's Republic of America. If the Libs and Dems want to fight Russia so badly then put the feminists, LGBT liberals, socialists, and Free Shit army on the front lines. At least it would put them to some good use.
And why would we even need a strategy for taking down North Korea anyways? Their army sports Cold War Tech at best. It would be just like the Gulf War and honestly I doubt the millions of people trapped in that concentration camp of a country would continue to support that joke of a ruler once their army was decimated.
They're probably about to start unloading terrorists on Russia from somewhere. They can claim whatever they want but likely they will turn Eastern Europe and the Balkans into a shit storm if they think they can destabilize or impoverish Russia by those means.
Russia will just beef up its borders and shoot on sight.
They are not burdened by public relations bullshit.
Most likely not doing so would get them in trouble with their population.
Europe; abandon NATO and trade in € and ruble. Sink boats from the south, enjoy the east, the US is on another war path to defend the petrodollar. Last straw.
New fag leader of Army says don't fire until you see the whites of their ass cracks, boyz.
"NUTS" !! ?
This preparation for war is as foolish as the actions leading to WWI. The only difference is that we are broke financially and socially this time, thanks to a hundred years of socialism.
Perhaps the writer means: ...when the US performs a false flag attack on a NATO member and makes the operation appear Russian (or China, Iran, Syria, etc…) to drive the EU into another world war....
Totally agree, that IS coming to a major Euroean country soon, courtesy of the U.S. / Israel. And the Europoens will believe whatever the filth media tells them. The next world war, like the last two, will be fought on European soil.
Don't count on it being limited to Europe.
70 years ago Germany and Japan did not have the means to bring the fight to the North American continent.
Today Russia does. They could hit American cities with cruise missiles very easily, and even without nuclear warheads cause major destruction.
Let's hope cooler heads prevail and all this shit deescalates.
The USA, considers anything that interfears with their gains in control as Terrorist activities. The Fucking Americans need to look around and see how they have Fucked everyone including the Average Joe on the street. They don't care as long as thier pockets get full. The Politicians need to be charged and Jailed. the Bankers need to get more than slaps on the wrist and any fines built into the cost of doing business.
The Israelies pay for the American stick and they use it. The Crimes against Humanity using depleated Uranium and the highest tech items pollute as well as disturb Nature all for Interest of the 1% , well the Minions make some gains. I will wait, and given an opportunity, will pay back those who deserve the wrath of many.
I have always thought that the CIA is the Biggest Terrorist Organization in the world and hope for those members to Die a horrible death, the suffer in Hell.
Merkel is trying to get together an EU army, but nobody seems very interested, certainly not the British. They have enough problems filling the ranks of their own little army, and NATO must rule, not the Germans.
Exactly.
All wars are Banker's wars (& their deep state cronies)..
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/all-wars-are-bankers-wars/
Does this mean that we have to split our helicopter money with the military industrial complex on the way to Weimar and WWIII?
When the FED runs out of bullets, count on the Pentagon to help out...
President Obama, in a historic first for the Pentagon, has chosen to nominate Eric Fanning to lead the Army, a move that would make him the first openly gay civilian secretary of one of the military services
When those mushroom clouds spin you towards having a hissy fit call FANNY..1-800 I-AM-ANAL
Ouch!
Historic.
Yes, historic as in "historians will look back on this and wonder how idiotic people could have been in the late American Empire."